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00:13 < RangerZ> http://everythingisaremix.info/blog/everything-is-a-remix-case-study-the-iphone really good 7min video documentary
00:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Everything is a Remix Case Study: The iPhone — Everything is a Remix (at everythingisaremix.info)
00:14 < RangerZ> sorry 5min
00:14 < RangerZ> 2min of credits to prevent lawyers, lol
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00:28 < RangerZ> anyone know of a good charity for getting females into programming/ CS ?
00:29 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: ladymerlin rhia aestetix_ or any other females? (j/k aestetix_ hehe)
00:30 < RangerZ> especially for middle/high  school
00:30 <@SuMo_D> yeah there was a good list floating around
00:30 <@SuMo_D> let me see if I can find it
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00:31 <@SuMo_D> This one is focused on well... black girls coding  http://www.blackgirlscode.com/
00:31 < GateKeeper> Title: Black Girls Code imagine. build. create. - Black Girls Code, BlackGirlsCode, Women of Color in Technology (at www.blackgirlscode.com)
00:35 < RangerZ> WEareIT is/was a program in Ohio to promote it to 6th~10th grade girls
00:35 <@SuMo_D> http://adadevelopersacademy.org/
00:35 < RangerZ> but it was small scale, only once a year for a day
00:35 < GateKeeper> Title: Ada Developers Academy - Women's Software Developer Training - Seattle TechnologyAda Developers Academy (at adadevelopersacademy.org)
00:36 <@SuMo_D> there was one in NC that was what inspired us to start our program...
00:36 <@rhia> women programming particularly?  just keep the idiotic MRA assholes at bay
00:36 <@SuMo_D> young inventors, young engineers something like that... let me find them
00:36 < RangerZ> MRA?
00:36 < RangerZ> ohh
00:36 < RangerZ> nvm
00:36 <@rhia> yeah
00:37 < RangerZ> well, i even took one for team and dressed up... in the summer... as Penny our school's ... well let me get a pic
00:37 <@rhia> the biggest reason women don't go further into or leave tech and science are constant dealing with MRA assholes
00:38 < RangerZ> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/s720x720/423615_10150659642305339_690086441_n.jpg
00:38 <@rhia> feminists do NOT want to rule men, they just want to be treated EQUALLY, in conversation, in research, in pay, ....
00:38 < RangerZ> penny the girl penguin
00:39 < RangerZ> rhia: but I want to help girls get into programming... so i have a cheaper pool of employees
00:39 < RangerZ> j/k, LOL
00:39 <@SuMo_D> http://raspberrypicopilot.com/ this guy
00:39 <@rhia> well, nice, but, since nothing is seen, it could have been a teenage girl or a anyone
00:39  * rhia gently slaps RangerZ 
00:39 <@SuMo_D> started out with a girls only class in Charlotte but expanded
00:39 < RangerZ> but yeah... I got into that fucking costume for 3 hours
00:39 <@rhia> since you did apologize <G>
00:40 < RangerZ> at the WEareIT stuff
00:40 < RangerZ> lol
00:40 < RangerZ> honestly it has less to do with 'feminism' as it does 'just treat girls like i'd treat boys' "equally"
00:41 < RangerZ> i already taught young boys and girls programming at http://campcomputer.com/ for 4 years in the past
00:41 <@SuMo_D> the assholes do get annoying... but gotta push on through and keep learning and support the young ones... that's part of why we try to make sure social skills and critical thinking are emphasized in our program as well as coding
00:41 < GateKeeper> Title: YMCA Camp Fitch Computer Camp - Home (at campcomputer.com)
00:41 <@rhia> best is to go to your local large university and ask the tech and science departments, esp the females in those departments, or, if you have to, ask (gasp) feminist groups in the area
00:42 <@rhia> we do not bite, well, hardly ever draw blood, on purpose
00:42 < RangerZ> rhia: yes you bite
00:42 <@rhia> unless you get an old tough hacker bitch like me
00:42 <@rhia> yes, RangerZ ;)
00:43 < RangerZ> rhia: I've seen pics, you're at most 27 y/o
00:43 < RangerZ> you're not old
00:43 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zJyTY9DMYE
00:43 < GateKeeper> Title: How Girls Should Serve Raspberry Pi: Tom Dubick at TEDxCharlotteED - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:43 <@SuMo_D> and yeah... speak for yourself...I draw blood
00:43 <@anarchival> 27 is plenty old for a woman to still be in this field.
00:43 <@SuMo_D> ;)
00:44 <@rhia> but even i have withdrawn under the constant wear and tear of justifying having two x chromosomes when dealing with xys
00:44 < RangerZ> << honestly has no idea about rhia, but 27 is an age that almost always is an appropriate age to say a girl looks
00:44 <@rhia> RangerZ, my youngest son is older than your assessment
00:45 <@anarchival> Women over the age of 18 are women, not girls. Unless you're cool with being called a boy.
00:45 < RangerZ> i am
00:45 <@rhia> so, not so flattering as .... if i did not know you ... condescending .... but, i'm in a good mood and trying to mend bridges, not burn them  -- tonight, at least
00:45 < RangerZ> especially since it wasn't the answer you were looking for right there ;)
00:46 <@rhia> anarchival, you are new to me, but, thank you =)
00:46 <@anarchival> RE: treating boys and girls "the same," sometimes it does more harm than good: https://www.pre-school.org.uk/providers/inclusion/530/should-practitioners-treat-boys-and-girls-the-same
00:46 < GateKeeper> Title: Should practitioners treat boys and girls the same? | Inclusion | Pre‐school Learning Alliance (at www.pre-school.org.uk)
00:46 <@rhia> anarchival, do i now need to rescind my earlier thanks?
00:46 <@anarchival> This is why coding groups focused on girls and women are necessary, BTW.
00:47 <@rhia> reading .....
00:47 <@anarchival> As long as we have a toxic culture for women, as long as we don't encourage girls to go into STEM and CompSci, we need to treat them a little different.
00:47 <@rhia> yes, we need to address the toxic culture
00:48 < RangerZ> I loved having hot girls in my CS undergrad classes, made me go more often, and I'm still friends with both of them
00:48 <@rhia> which means not allowing men to get away with "well, boys will be boys" when they're being misogynistic assholes
00:48 < RangerZ> BUT... they were the only two girls in the CS dept :/
00:48 <@anarchival> There's also often a pedagogy issue; hackers have in the past been mostly self-taught, and resent programs designed to shorten the learning curve
00:49 < RangerZ> which is why I actually want to promote CS/programming at middle school/high school, where girls are often told its a 'boys thing'
00:49 <@rhia> RangerZ, .... at one point, i was one of those only two girls ..... anecdotal, but, was not the most comfortable experience
00:49 < RangerZ> rhia: as was my mom
00:50 <@rhia> and i am an uberbitch who proudly EARNED the title ;)
00:50 < RangerZ> she took cobol in early 1980s
00:50 < RangerZ> but had to stop b/c of her arm ( nerve damage wouldn't let her type for more than an hour straight)
00:51 <@anarchival> The fact that so many of the women in this field are amazing fucking Amazons suggests that maybe we need to make it a more welcoming place.
00:51 <@rhia> seriously, tho, there are hundreds of good support systems for females in STEM, but the national ones are more for organizing, you need to go local to find local ones for 1-2-1
00:51 < RangerZ> . . .  yep
00:51 <@anarchival> I mean, the men aren't generally required to be so badass they can tear a person's throat out with their teeth just to exist, so...
00:51 < RangerZ> anyways, any of you know good charities/NGOs, etc
00:51 <@SuMo_D> support us Rangerz :P
00:52 <@SuMo_D> we're a 501c3
00:52 <@rhia> and to go local, spend a 1/2 percentage of the time you do online researching your stuff and do some local searches
00:52 < RangerZ> ohh see... I'm looking to contribute by volunteering time, not money
00:52 <@SuMo_D> RangerZ do a webinar for us
00:52 <@rhia> RangerZ, i is in the great NW now, midwest and southeast are thankfully long forgotten nightmares, er, memories
00:53 < RangerZ> yeah... i honestly have no idea where i'll end up... austin tx, nashville, or NE ohio likely
00:53 <@anarchival> We could always develop a program through Nashville 2600. Since it's a nonprofit, with a non-discrimination policy, and a mission of community education...
00:53 < RangerZ> gotta find funding/a job quick
00:54 <@anarchival> There's also the Nashville Women Programmers, which I helped organize before I started leading the Brigade.
00:54 <@anarchival> They still meet twice a month, find them on Meetup.
00:55 <@anarchival> Some excellent national organizations have already been mentioned if you're not staying here, though.
00:56 <@SuMo_D> ugh I really don't like the branding on this one... but here's another one http://www.girlstart.org/?gclid=COfa_rqWyLsCFepQOgod8lkAPw
00:56 <@rhia> anarchival, let me introduce myself ... i am a middleaged semi-retired hacker who is older than half the pups in here and just happened to see my name highlight .... nice to meet you =)
00:56 < GateKeeper> Title: Home (at www.girlstart.org)
00:57 < RangerZ> honestly... most of them look stupid as fuck
00:57 < RangerZ> no offense to 'what' they want to do
00:57 < RangerZ> but its not something that would appeal to both boys and girls
00:58 <@SuMo_D> how about Hacker Scouts
00:58 <@anarchival> Hi, rhia! I'm 33 and might be the new Treasurer.
00:58 <@rhia> RangerZ, "melon" was awesome, hugme might know how to contact her, she was massively into quantum computing and teaching men twice/thrice her age on what it would entail
00:58 <@rhia> anarchival, congrats and welcome!
00:58 <@SuMo_D> http://hacker-scouts.org/
00:58 < RangerZ> wow... laggy site
00:59 <@SuMo_D> http://makerscout.com/
00:59 <@anarchival> Does anyone remember the after school computer club put on by Nashville Office Machines around 1990?
00:59 <@SuMo_D> I think this is what the national org morphed into cause "hacker" was too scary a word
00:59 <@rhia> anarchival, sorry, i was ATL, not nashvegas
00:59 < RangerZ> ahh
00:59 <@anarchival> That had a lot to do with setting me on the path into IT, I'd like to revive something like that.
01:00 <@anarchival> Also, BSA tried to sue them. They were beset from all sides.
01:00 <@SuMo_D> but yeah, heard good stuff about them... the Sparkfun learning stuff and Adafruit learning stuff is great too, they have a range of badges and project activities
01:00 < RangerZ> no one still alive remembers nashville form the 1990s thats WAY too old , everyone from around then did too many drugs and aged too quickly, just look at Dagmar, he's the spitting image of a 30 year old ;)
01:00 <@rhia> i like the local maker sites, but,.... i just like the NW more when it comes to hacking ..... they don't care where you carry your sex bits
01:01 < RangerZ> or what color you are, likely as much as SE
01:01 <@anarchival> I thought Dagmar was cute in 1999. Then we had a conversation and I changed my mind.
01:01 <@rhia> male, female, elves, reindeer.... doesn't matter ... do you like gadgetry anything? come'on down!
01:01 <@SuMo_D> very true rhea
01:02 <@anarchival> There's an amazing anarcha-feminist maker-hacker community in San Francisco. It makes me jealous.
01:02 <@SuMo_D> *rhia
01:02 < RangerZ> anarchival: which one?
01:02 <@rhia> SuMo_D, don't take this wrong, but, rhia is not a bird <G>
01:02 < RangerZ> anarchival: b/c my friend tried to go to one (I Forget name) and she wasn't allowed in b/c she was starting off programming
01:02 <@anarchival> The local makers are a little brotastic, which makes me sad. Just another reason 2600 needs to level up and correct that trend.
01:02 <@SuMo_D> ?
01:03 <@rhia> SuMo_D, the rhea, like an ostrich .... sorry, i am that old ;)
01:03 <@SuMo_D> ah - k
01:03 <@anarchival> RangerZ: are you talking about a SF makerspace?
01:03 < RangerZ> yep
01:03 <@rhia> just .... only seen that a couple of thousand times  (and yes, another smiley emoticon follows) =)
01:04 <@anarchival> This is the one I'm aware of: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Anarchafeminist_Hackerhive
01:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Anarchafeminist Hackerhive - Geek Feminism Wiki (at geekfeminism.wikia.com)
01:04 <@anarchival> Of course they refused my membership on their mailing list
01:04 < RangerZ> she's a UC Berkley grad with english degree, and desire to program, etc and she was basically told to come back later when she learned some skills, I can't remember the name of it offhand, but i was kinda amazed for a SF type thing
01:04 <@anarchival> (I assume because I don't live in San Francisco, but no reason was given). I'm pretty sure I'm not bitter.
01:05 <@SuMo_D> are those the women starting Double Union?
01:05 <@rhia> seriously, whoever was originally asking .... ( RangerZ anarchival SuMo_D ...)  do some quick searches for local and go that route
01:05 <@anarchival> I believe so.
01:05 < RangerZ> rhia: it was me
01:05 < RangerZ> i was wondering about national ones
01:05 <@anarchival> That's disappointing, RangerZ, especially if it was anarcha-feminists.
01:05 <@rhia> the big national ones are great, but the local ones are the ones that really give women the f2f needed for support when the MRAs get .... intolerable
01:06 <@wilpig> rhia: you haven't congratulated me on my move to the north
01:06 <@anarchival> Also, don't underestimate the value of being a male voice of reason in primarily male organizations.
01:06 <@wilpig> and i've been up here over two months now
01:07 < RangerZ> wilpig: no one congratulated you for leaving the SE, its just expected
01:07 <@rhia> its like the American Atheist Association is wonderful, but, if you're in the deep south, Atheist Exeperience or Dogma Debate probably is more helpful to newcomers
01:07 <@rhia> wilpig, north?
01:08 <@anarchival> My favorite user group in Nashville is Functional Programmers, primarily because there are so many decent guys there that make me and other women feel comfortable and valued.
01:08 <@rhia> wilpig, piggy, you know i haven't spoken in here in .... many moons
01:08 < RangerZ> he's getting a New Jersey shore tan this summer
01:08 < RangerZ> is that the AI group that meets at JJ's?
01:08 <@wilpig> I know.  you should check in more often.  it's been somewhat lively the last few months
01:08 <@rhia> RangerZ, he left for Jersey? no wonder no one congratulated him
01:08 <@rhia> RangerZ, that would more aptly require condolences ;)
01:08 <@wilpig> I had good reason.  I got a sweet gig with tumblr
01:09 <@wilpig> and it's a very short trip into NYC from here
01:09 <@anarchival> FP sometimes meets on Monday nights at JJs, but their monthly meeting is usually the last Tuesday of the month at Emma's Bistro.
01:09 <@rhia> (my dad is from Brooklyn, i have tons of relatives in the Jersey to Mass area)
01:09 < RangerZ> i had a classmate tell me about the meetups they were having there, b/c we were in the AI class together
01:09 <@anarchival> I wouldn't be surprised if they talk about AI during the study group, though. They're some of the smartest people I've ever met.
01:09 < RangerZ> she said she loved it
01:09 <@rhia> wilpiggy, noticing that
01:09 < RangerZ> i was too busy, and honestly, the AI class killed my interest in AI, lol
01:10 < RangerZ> apparently they had a planned AI group there, for working on the coursera online class for AI
01:10 <@anarchival> University classes can kill the allure of nearly any subject.
01:11 <@anarchival> Ah, yes. That would be them. So many people in the group were during Courseras, they just made it a study group for both.
01:11 <@wilpig> I'd like to see a university class on porn.  but then I remembered there is alot of that out there that I don't want to see.
01:11 <@rhia> anarchival, the smartest people i've met .... are found in every group so far, just took me some time to figure out that the better ones .... don't exalt the lesser ones
01:11 <@anarchival> I'd like a university class on how the porn industry is on the forefront of technology development. That would actually be interesting.
01:11 <@rhia> (massive hint to the channel ops here..... oh, i'm still one, gee..... )
01:12 < RangerZ> wilpig: I swear... I had a 1 hr lecture for 'honors'... called : Superman, and the super hero construct, in the art dept... talking about symbolism of comic books super heros, etc
01:12 <@wilpig> you know we don't restrict ops.  it's rule by all, if you authenticate
01:12 <@wilpig> mob rule is best rule.
01:12 <@rhia> wilpig, or just grandfathered (or grandmothered) in
01:13 <@wilpig> you aren't that old
01:13 <@rhia> i sometimes think i have ops by merit of just outlasting so many younger ones
01:13 < RangerZ> though... the best honors class I heard about was from the Geography dept... "Geography of Middle Earth" ;)
01:13 <@wilpig> then again, i'm about to become a great uncle.
01:13 -!- Irssi: #se2600: Total of 39 nicks [21 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 18 normal]
01:14 <@rhia> over ... how many channel server switches? who cares...
01:14 <@rhia> great uncle?
01:14 <@anarchival> Geography was my minor, or more specifically GIS. There was no class on Middle Earth. :(
01:14 <@wilpig> the people that don't have ops either never talk or just aren't authenticated.  heh.
01:14 <@wilpig> yeah my neice is knocked up
01:14 <@rhia> anarchival, oh, the pain!
01:14 <@wilpig> niece*
01:14 <@wilpig> she didn't appreciate the how to properly use a condom instructions I sent after I heard
01:14 <@rhia> wilpig, well, didn't think Neicy Nash was in your family
01:15 <@rhia> wilpig, you included pictures, didn't you?
01:15 <@wilpig> she's 20, I don't think she has decent job.  last I heard she dropped out of college and she isn't married to the dude.
01:15 <@wilpig> oh there were illustrations for sure
01:15 <@anarchival> Condoms are for boys. The pill is for girls. Send her something that doesn't require talking someone into wearing it.
01:16 <@wilpig> http://funnypageszine.tumblr.com/post/70508313463/this-comic-was-made-for-cards-against
01:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Funny Pages Zine (at funnypageszine.tumblr.com)
01:16 <@anarchival> There have been times I've basically had to tell the dude I had AIDS before he'd put the fucking rubber on.
01:17 <@anarchival> Actually, the easiest method I've found so far is to tell him I'm not on the pill. They usually stop arguing after that.
01:17 <@rhia> anarchival, fuckthat ...... condoms are for anyone not wanting to change diapers
01:18 <@wilpig> +1
01:19 <@wilpig> I should be asleep. 
01:19 <@rhia> anarchival, unless you're thinking of rape, in which, all women after menstruation should be seeing to not getting pregnant that way, but should STILL be handing a condom to a willing partner "sleeve it or leave"
01:20 <@rhia> wilpig, you are getting old, you used "should" in that comment
01:20 <@SuMo_D> RangerZ here's another one... related to maker scouts http://www.makerguild.org/start-a-guild/
01:20 <@anarchival> The conversation usually goes like this...
01:20 < RangerZ> i can't wait for the male birth control pill to become approved by the FDA, i can't WAIT to see the ads for that
01:20 <@SuMo_D> I think they I heard they are getting close on that...
01:20 < RangerZ> "bro... take this pill once  day... and you can bare back'
01:20 < RangerZ> they are
01:20 <@rhia> RangerZ, they wouldn't need ads, they'd need guards to keep the men at bay
01:20 < RangerZ> thats why i'm waiting for it
01:21 <@anarchival> Me: "You need to put a condom on now." Him: "Why? You don't need to worry, I'm clean." Me: "Putting aside the fact you don't know if I'm clean, we need to use it for birth control."
01:21 <@rhia> nope, brokeback still won't stop the rest of the "fun" stuff, like syphilis, gonorrhea, and AIDS
01:21 < RangerZ> wow... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GwZaNqLK5Hs apparently she got fired _before_ her plane landed in S.Africa
01:21 < GateKeeper> Title: Terrible AIDS Tweet Gets PR Exec Fired Before Her Plane Lands - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:21 <@anarchival> Him: "Are you really worried about that? Aren't you on birth control? It's not as much fun with a condom." Me: "Wear it or I walk."
01:21 <@rhia> anarchival, amen!
01:21 <@wilpig> RangerZ: I read that earlier and chuckled
01:22 < RangerZ> rhia: I am fully aware of that, but i mean for long term relationships, etc
01:22 <@rhia> "sleeve it, or leave it"
01:22 <@anarchival> ...but I think a lot of women enjoy sex a lot more than me and/or are less confrontational, because compromises are frequently made.
01:23 <@rhia> RangerZ, i stand by my first comment, they wouldn't need to advertise, just word of mouth would have rednecks and wallstreeters lining up for that pill
01:23 <@anarchival> I'm just saying, it'd be nice if there were a form of birth control and STD prevention that didn't require talking some dude into something when all the blood is rushing from his head.
01:23 <@anarchival> Which you'd think would make it easier, but alas.
01:23 < RangerZ> rhia: yep, but you don't need ads for 'ed' pills either
01:23 < RangerZ> but you still do
01:24 <@rhia> anarchival, nope, that little head takes the blood and 99% of the thinking ability with it
01:24 < RangerZ> yep, lets not be sexist now anybody  ;)
01:24 <@rhia> RangerZ, no, they don't need those ads, they just have to justify the profits somehow so ... advertising
01:25 <@rhia> RangerZ, that's not sexist, that's biology 101
01:25 <@wilpig> they don't need to justify the profits, see the rest of the pharma industry, they make the ed ads to show they can make a dick hard for 4 hours.  it's bragging
01:25 <@rhia> drop in blood pressure from the brain causes definitive changes to brain chemistry
01:25 <@SuMo_D> I hated the pill when I was on it... made me insane.... tried several versions... none of them worked well for me... but yeah don't have to worry about it anymore
01:26 <@rhia> wilpig, trust me, 4 hrs of a hardon? NOT something to brag about
01:26 <@wilpig> being stuck with it. no.  the fact that they can make it happen, yup.
01:26 <@rhia> wilpig, seen Robin Williams comedy short on it? classic
01:27 <@wilpig> heard on the radio this afternoon about monsonto(sp?) engineered some cucumbers up in canada that had a slight fizzing sound when you swallowed them and had a side effect of losing all your pubic hair.  wtf...
01:27 <@rhia> the age old joke of the woman saying mid coitus "Mauve, i think i'll paint the ceiling mauve" comes to mind
01:27 <@rhia> wilpig, and... from deep out of right field ..... ???
01:28 <@wilpig> tired.  brain wandering where it wants to go
01:28 <@rhia> yes, alllll night sex is fun, all night nothing but pounding? NOT FUN
01:28 <@wilpig> if I can't sleep soon I should probably write some cryptic code for opendcim
01:29 <@rhia> 3/4 of the fun of all night sex is keeping it interesting and reviving the partner's interest .... 4 hrs of solid nothing but pounding is, i repeat, NOT FUN
01:30 <@rhia> energetic cardio atheletics, yes, fun? no ....
01:31  * rhia still has it --- the ability to stop convesation for a while until people go .... oh-kay, allrighty, next .... 
01:32 <@anarchival> <-- looking at http://www.opendcim.org/
01:32 < GateKeeper> Title: openDCIM - Open Source Data Center Infrastructure Management (at www.opendcim.org)
01:35 <@wilpig> yes, anarchival, that's what I was submitting code to earlier.  reworked the menu and fixed some portname listings in some of the circuit diagrams
01:39 <@wilpig> http://cardsagainsthumanity.com/donorschoose/ lol child labor
01:39 < GateKeeper> Title: 2013 DonorsChoose.org classroom shopping spree | Cards Against Humanity (at cardsagainsthumanity.com)
01:39 <@anarchival> Looks nice.
01:42  * SuMo_D fades to black
01:42 <@anarchival> I just tweeted that shit, wilpig. That's how brilliant it is.
01:44 <@wilpig> opendcim?  it's getting pretty popular.  dolemite and I have put countless hours in it.  we actually have a few other guys chipping in code from time to time now which has been nice and frustrating at the same time
01:44  * rhia hugs those who I want and waves to those I know and wishes happy holidays to all  .... g'nite
01:44  * rhia fades into the woodwork again
01:45 <@anarchival> Nope. The Cards Against Humanity thing. I mean opendcim is good, too.
01:45 <@wilpig> later rhia 
01:46 <@anarchival> Oh hey, Scott Milliken is the contact. This project is practically sponsored by 2600.
01:46 <@rhia> wait, what? KNOW you get interesting ... damn, same channel ;)
01:46 <@anarchival> 'night rhia, nice to meet you!
01:46 <@rhia> anarchival, g'nite! and very nice to meet you =)
01:47 <@wilpig> http://www.holidaybullshit.com/  I'm still missing a few envelopes from this.  I got the one today about the donorschoose.org and it had a reprint of one of hte kid's letters inside it
01:47 < GateKeeper> Title: 12 Days of Holiday Bullshit (at www.holidaybullshit.com)
01:48 <@anarchival> Geez, wilpig. Are you on Github solely for this project?
01:49 <@wilpig> nah I have some others that I don't push to often
01:49 <@wilpig> have some private repos for work as well
01:49 < RangerZ> "work"
01:49 <@anarchival> I can respect that. I have at least three Github profiles. Only one of them shows any activity.
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01:49 < RangerZ> we know you keep your pr0n there
01:51 <@wilpig> most of the codebase at work is on github.
01:53 <@wilpig> crashing now.  night all
01:54 <@anarchival> Good night!
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04:01 < RangerZ> oddball: you said you have a soda stream right?
04:02 < RangerZ> the walmart near 65 & dickerson pike is just 'exchanging' the sodastream CO2 canisters, without charing for them
04:03 < RangerZ> so you can just 'swap' them at the customer service station, they just do a 'return', and don't charge you for the 'refill', lol
05:56 < RangerZ> http://nashville.craigslist.org/ele/4257427675.html selling my PS4, for 440$ same price as retail, Just need the cash, if anyone here wants it
05:56 < GateKeeper> Title: PS4/Playstation 4 for sale (at nashville.craigslist.org)
06:45 <@NotLarry> gl
08:27 <@NotLarry> *sigh*
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09:07 < Shadow404> "liberal republican, like a vw with a gun rack" hahaha
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09:20 <@wilpig> holy shit it's cold in here.
09:32 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: heh, I'm sure that'll be corrected within a few weeks
09:33 <@Corydon76-home> Unfortunately, I don't have an empty cylinder to exchange right now
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09:47 <@benthemeek> Seasonal Greetings and felicitations all
09:52 <@Mirage> Shhhhh....it's quiet time in channel.
09:53 <@wilpig> look out it's old man Mirage.  everybody run!
09:53  * benthemeek enters into a meditative state to honour the quietness
09:54 <@benthemeek> They letting us out of our cage at noon today
09:54 <@Mirage> wilpig: You missed out on fun Sunday and last night.  Been building a cat tree
09:54 <@benthemeek> At first a picture of a datacenter and some bizarre cat5 arrangement came to mind with that Mirage...
09:55 <@Mirage> benthemeek: you suck.  management here let us out at 4:30 yesterday and said that we can leave at 4:30 today too if nothing is going on.
09:55 <@benthemeek> wo
09:55 <@benthemeek> wow
09:55 <@wilpig> Mirage: lol.  I can only imagine.  I just bought one here
09:55 <@benthemeek> regular scrooges
09:55 <@wilpig> i'm off
09:55 <@Mirage> wilpig: the most painful part has been getting sarah, who's the one that wanted it, to decide what she wants.
09:56 <@Mirage> wilpig: not that it should be suprising..she is a SHE afterall..
09:56 <@wilpig> lol. you already knew she's indecisive
09:56 <@Mirage> it was pissing me off.
09:56 <@wilpig> haha so nothing new?
10:00 <@Mirage> I used PVC for the uprights between shelves to keep the weight low..and we even grabbed a 5' section of 12" concrete form to make cat houses along with it as well.
10:02 <@Mirage> They had some scrap cut-pile carpet fo5r cheap that i grabbed..it's pretty much the same carpet you normally see on cat furniture.  I'll be putting that on the base and the shelves.  SHE wanted the twine wrapped around all the uprights, so SHE can spend forever doing that.
10:03 <@wilpig> wrap some of the uprights in the carpet.  I see even and penny scratching on those about as much as anything else
10:04 <@wilpig> the ones wrapped in twine they scratch on too, but not as much
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10:49 <@Mirage> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7mtJ3ZV6xM
10:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Warriors of the Net HD - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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11:47 < Catonic_> PIGS
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11:49 <@Shadow404> oink!
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12:44 <@SuMo_D> like I needed more reasons to dislike inkscape "if you are using Mac Quartzx copy and paste between documents may be imported as bitmaps"
12:53 <@SuMo_D> Think I finally managed to get the eggbot to plot my logo... sorta...
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13:10 <@Mirage> No buffer space?  Haven't noticed that one before.
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14:49 <@Mirage> Damn, am I the only poor schmuck stuck at work today?
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15:07 <@Corydon76-home> Probably
15:08 <@Corydon76-home> I'm a poor schmuck who got suckered into cooking half a dozen things for tomorrow
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15:40 < RangerZ> well yays
15:40 < RangerZ> got an RA-ship at least
15:41 < RangerZ> so worst case, I just go for PhD now
15:41 < RangerZ> then be DrRangerZ ;)
15:41 < RangerZ> its like DrPepper, but not as well known
15:41 < RangerZ> lol
15:45 <@Catonic> HADOOOKEN
16:35 < RangerZ> oddball: did comcast say you used a ton of bandwidth you don't think you did?
16:42 <@oddball> That's the thought
16:48 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EVw29hVK4 .....
16:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Couple Kidnaps Woman, Tortures & Threatens Her Life For a Playstation - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:48 < RangerZ> ...
17:06 <@anarchival> and I was just figuring out how to play Super Mario Brothers on my PS3. Maybe I should just buy a Wii. Or kidnap someone and make them buy me one.
17:07 <@wilpig> heh  You can get a wii uber cheap now and with ModMii you can mod it to use an external hard drive and have several games at your fingertips
17:08 <@anarchival> I had one before the flood. It drowned. Replaced it with PS3 for the blueray. Sort of regret it.
17:11 <@anarchival> It looks like the classic Nintendo games are only available on Wii U?
17:11 <@anarchival> laaaaaame
17:11 <@wilpig> nah. most are in the nintendo shop and are available on both
17:12 <@wilpig> several are on the 3ds / dsi as well
17:13 <@anarchival> Excellent! I might be able to do $129 or less in the near future.
17:13 <@anarchival> I'd ask for it for Christmas, but Grandma spent about $800 buying me new dresses so she'd just roll her eyes.
17:14 <@anarchival> <-- on the verge of employment
17:14 <@wilpig> I just got a box full of homemade fudge with walnuts in the mail from my grandmother.  heh
17:16 <@anarchival> I think she did it because she's scandalized that every time she sees me leave the house I look like a vagabond. We're Southern women. There are standards to be maintained.
17:26 < aestetix_> vagian
17:32 <@oddball> Sounds like my mom saying that I need a new coat because my big leather trench is "worn out."  "Worn out" meaning "she doesn't like it."
17:33 <@oddball> I did buy a black leather duster a couple years back as a possible replacement, wore it for the first time on a trip to her house, and she told me that I really needed to replace "that old thing."
17:34 < aestetix_> http://www.salon.com/2013/12/23/justine_saccos_aftermath_the_cost_of_twitter_outrage/
17:37 < aestetix_> Moral of that story: public shaming is great until you're being shamed.
17:45 <@oddball> w00t!  There's a root technique for my phone now!
17:45  * oddball roots phone and goes about un-fuxoring the tethering software on his phone
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18:11 <@SuMo_D> https://scontent-b-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1395208_10151561079092325_143599037_n.jpg
18:12 <@SuMo_D> In the words of Dave Mustaine - If there's a new way... I'll be the first in line... it better work this time
18:12 <@SuMo_D> Merry Christmas everyone!
18:12  * wilpig offers SuMo_D an oven instead
18:12 <@SuMo_D> OOooo
18:13 <@anarchival> It's just astonishing to me how we're happy to publicly shame people who don't have much actual power, but the corrupt and powerful are basically treated as entertaining pets.
18:13  * SuMo_D puts piggy in the oven and turns it on high
18:14 <@SuMo_D> ;)
18:14 <@wilpig> I am not a ham
18:14 <@SuMo_D> ha!
18:14 <@SuMo_D> you are now!
18:14 <@anarchival> That's just because you're still alive.
18:14 <@wilpig> I didn't have any wheat for my yaks so they died.
18:14 <@Dagmar> yaks
18:14 <@anarchival> what game are you playing?
18:14 <@Dagmar> ?
18:15 <@wilpig> the latest changes to gnomoria are making this much more difficult
18:15 <@Dagmar> Ah...
18:15 <@SuMo_D> Man... I'm so excited... so I spoke at this tech event a few weeks ago... and this guy contacted me to do some work for him, and basically he's been paying me to play around and research and build prototypes... met with him today and he offered to possibly invest in a bigger better 3D printer for prototyping! and possibly a laser cutter
18:15 <@Dagmar> I grow a SHITTON of wheat
18:15 <@wilpig> My initial pair of yaks.  dead.
18:16 <@SuMo_D> I'm freakin' over the moon right now... we'll see what happens... but DUDE...
18:16 <@Dagmar> Enh the traders will bring more
18:16 <@wilpig> yeah they will just gonna bemore difficult without a steady supply of drink
18:16 <@anarchival> Whoa. Congratulations, Sumo_D!
18:16 <@SuMo_D> we'll see if it happens... its talk right now... but its good talk
18:17 <@SuMo_D> and I had two other people who were ready to possibly put up for a laser cutter and get one for a communal studio... so if we got an investor... that would just make it that much more perfect
18:17 <@SuMo_D> brb
18:18 <@Dagmar> wilpig: How did you feel about Terraria?
18:19 <@wilpig> it was okay.  I've played it a little but not really gotten into it
18:42  * SuMo_D checks the ham in the oven... still seems to be squealing a bit
18:43 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: did you put wilpig in the oven?
18:44 <@SuMo_D> had to make good use of his Christmas present :)
18:44 < RangerZ> we've heard the stories about how he likes to be tied up... but thats a little mean
18:44 <@anarchival> Grandma has delivered the turkey and a bag of ice. Let the brining begin!
18:45 <@anarchival> What I what to know is, is wilpig Hansel or Gretal, and who is next for the oven?
18:46 <@wilpig> fuckin' gnomes.  they're going up to this honey badger one at a time to die
18:46 <@wilpig> what assholes
18:46 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: you should tell that guy "well since I'm a southern girl... You need to buy me an oven too... a nice 2200 degree oven, so we can do metalworking... "
18:47 <@SuMo_D> lol... yeah... but I'm not a Southern Girl...
18:47 <@SuMo_D> I just have been forcibly relocated
18:47 <@wilpig> one gnomes dies another runs in to take its place.  what's wrong with these fuckers?
18:47 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: trust me... if vanderbilt had a NE branch... LOL
18:48 < RangerZ> wilpig: what game?
18:48 <@wilpig> gnomoria
18:48 <@SuMo_D> he might actually do that though, I might be helping them do some branding work for a firearms line and CWP courses aimed at women
18:48 <@SuMo_D> a nice little crucible for Christmas... could be handy
18:49 <@wilpig> Dagmar: new gnomes come the first day of summer or spring?
18:49 <@anarchival> SuMo_D did I understand right that you're not in Nashville, or are you here?
18:50 <@SuMo_D> nope, SC
18:50 <@SuMo_D> Greenville area
18:50 <@SuMo_D> not too far from Asheville NC either
18:51 <@SuMo_D> I went to PN this year
18:51 <@anarchival> Oh sure, that's just over the line, really.
18:51 <@SuMo_D> yeah I live about 15 minutes from the border
18:51 < RangerZ> I like the saying "North Carolina, at least we aren't South Carolina"
18:51 <@anarchival> Well I hope you're at the next one, too.
18:52 <@anarchival> I think SC is prettier than NC, but that's just me.
18:52 <@SuMo_D> ha - I have actually heard that... but then they come and visit and go crap.... you guys are doing awesome stuff, and have an economy and we have.... hipster hippies and people from Florida
18:52 < RangerZ> actually NC is where i'm "from"(born there )
18:52 <@SuMo_D> Smiling Faces beautiful places :) SC FTW
18:53 <@anarchival> Yeah the industry around Raleigh is pretty damn impressive.
18:53 < RangerZ> but right now NC is being so anti 20th century it hurts
18:53 <@wilpig> yay! 1st day of summer 9 gnomads have arrived.
18:53 < RangerZ> anti civil liberties, anti voting, anti pretty much everything
18:53 <@anarchival> It's the anniversary of the Civil War. Got to celebrate the South's secessionist past!
18:53 <@SuMo_D> yep, and Greenville is pretty progressive... the actually have a publicly funded organization called Greenville Foward
18:53 < RangerZ> first time in like 30 years republicans took over the statehouse was 2010, so ....
18:54 < RangerZ> "war of northern aggression"
18:54 <@anarchival> Ah, the bloodbath of 2010. I still have PTSD from watching those elections returns.
18:54 < RangerZ> i heard that down here in TN for the first time... and i was 'honestly' lost on what they were talking about
18:55 <@SuMo_D> I lived in France with W got reelected.... that was def trauma inducing...
18:55 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: we're all sorry you had to live in France
18:55 < RangerZ> ;)
18:55 <@SuMo_D> I'm not :P
18:56 <@SuMo_D> anarchical I'm going to try to make PN next year sure... I'd like to do some stuff for it too... but yeah, with my health and with the different projects I have going its hard to project that far in the future
18:57  * SuMo_D is recovering from cancer and had a stem cell transplant so shit is unpredictable to say the least
18:57 <@SuMo_D> *anarchival
18:58 <@anarchival> Geez, I'm sorry. Best wishes on a speedy recovery!
18:58 <@anarchival> The stuff you're doing for a local makerspace sounds tremendous, it'd be great if we could get something like that going.
18:59 <@SuMo_D> our local maker space died...
18:59 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: did you have gamma knife surgery ? do we have to be careful not to make you mad?
18:59 <@SuMo_D> GMG did at least
18:59 <@wilpig> the local maker space in nashville died, sorta.  we all know that tale.  lol
18:59 <@SuMo_D> lol RangerZ
18:59 <@SuMo_D> no... but I did have 3 days of TBI same difference
18:59 < RangerZ> my mom did, so i tease her about that all time , with her past brain tumor (non cancerous)
18:59 <@wilpig> ahhh fuck.  goblins
18:59 <@anarchival> At the last user group leaders meeting, it was hinted that something is in the works, but he might have been full of shit. Or He Who Must Not Be Named is on the move. Either way, it makes me want to start something.
19:00 <@SuMo_D> anarchival when I was up for the PN a few friends and I went over to see the mini Maker Faire... we didn't know it at the time... but yeah the dirty dog had the most impressive display
19:01 <@SuMo_D> we put two and two together later
19:01 <@wilpig> skydick got what he wanted from that space.  he gained the ability to say he was in charge of it, took credit for any project out of it, took all the money from it and bought nice toys to show off at cons.
19:01 <@SuMo_D> like... we liked the display... then we looked at the video later and saw the name and went OooOOooOOh
19:01 <@anarchival> Yeah, I was on the organizing committee for that until Adventure Science decided they didn't want us hosting our own workshops inside.
19:02 <@SuMo_D> yeah... I had a bad reaction to the heat outside... that went badly
19:02 <@SuMo_D> oh well...
19:02 <@anarchival> I sat in the room as Lucas and Matt, etc., trashed PN (who had approached Mini Maker to combine forces), and later as they buddied up to the dog.
19:02 <@SuMo_D> yeah GMG was with CNwaV and Zerominus....
19:02 < RangerZ> i like how the 'maker' space in nashville is viewed with contempt by both the startup and the academic circles
19:02 <@SuMo_D> both who are MIA right now and there is this other guy involved who is a dick
19:02 <@SuMo_D> that I don't work well with at all
19:02 <@wilpig> anarchival: he has that effect on people until they realize he's full of shit
19:03 <@SuMo_D> he's one of those promise other people tons of shit then run away and leave me to be the one who actually delivers.... I hate that breed
19:03 <@SuMo_D> also likes to go oh! that's cool! Let me commercialize it!
19:03 <@SuMo_D> no no no....
19:03 <@SuMo_D> he has said he's restart the space too... but its been 2 1/2 months and..... nothing
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19:04 <@SuMo_D> so yeah... GMG will be officially dead by January.... I could maybe take the name but I think its too small a town and that guy has too big an ego for that to go well... so probably just going to start my own thing or do a mobile maker space (which is kinda what I'm doing already)
19:05 <@anarchival> Don't listen to people who say "the town is too small for competition." Providing a good user experience counts for a lot, and if there's drama around him people won't want to deal with that shit, they'd rather go somewhere without it.
19:06 <@SuMo_D> I've been the co-coordinator for the kids programming and physical computing program and got us a grant for our big light installation we just pulled off and had a lot of adults say they want a similar program... so if my health holds... probable will build on that
19:06 <@SuMo_D> anarchival agreed on that front... but I think using the brand GMG (Greenville Makers Group) would be problematic
19:07 <@anarchival> Did they ever trademark it?
19:07 <@SuMo_D> so... best start fresh or build it out of the it2pi brand - which is going well
19:07 <@anarchival> Yeah, if you don't see a compelling reason to fight over it, don't.
19:08 <@SuMo_D> no, and I was the one who was doing all the branding and marketing... but the dickhead has been in this community 12 years and I've been here 2.... I don't think its worth it... I hate to lose it cause we do have a lot of name recognition
19:08 <@anarchival> Hmm.
19:08 <@SuMo_D> but I could just see it being a messy fight for... pretty much nothing but ego and name rights... and honestly I'd rather just build shit and teach
19:09 <@anarchival> Personally I don't consider "time served" to be a compelling grounds for authority; if you did all the work and have all the legal rights then it's yours to use
19:09 <@anarchival> Unless, of course, the benefit of using the name doesn't outweigh the shit it might stir.
19:09 <@SuMo_D> ... except that we tried to do the community elected members and all that and he was standing vice president when we disolved
19:10 <@SuMo_D> and yeah... I'm not sure how far his stuff reaches... I know he's involved in a few different things around town especially with some people that would be good allys to have
19:10 <@SuMo_D> just better to let it die
19:10 < RangerZ> you know what kinda sucks.... I've literally watched or started then stopped b/c I didn't like it... every anime in the top 100 lists for every major site
19:10 <@anarchival> Small towns are difficult like that. Nashville is like that, too.
19:10 < RangerZ> I'm running out of content to watch
19:11 <@SuMo_D> On the other bright horizon, Spartanburg will be getting an industrial maker space soon on Main Street!
19:11 <@SuMo_D> and I know the guy doing it and he wants to franchise it and bring it to Greenville so might be able to help facilitate that too :)
19:11 <@SuMo_D> but that's a little longer term
19:11 <@SuMo_D> but yeah if you guys are heading south at some point that should be open late January
19:12 <@anarchival> Well I know you could make some stellar contributions to PN, but I'm sure we don't want to tire you out or distract from what you're doing at home.
19:13 <@SuMo_D> well you guys are on my radar
19:13 <@anarchival> Are you in touch with the Knoxville and Chattanooga makers, too?
19:13 <@SuMo_D> I talked to Johnnyx about it briefly, I was supposed to follow up with him.... but yeah got busy
19:14 <@anarchival> They've got strong groups, and are close enough you might be able to get some traffic or do some events with them.
19:14 <@SuMo_D> I think Shug and I are def coming if we can what we can pull off as far as cool stuff to do... we'll have to figure out closer to the date
19:14 <@SuMo_D> Shug is doing the Asheville Makers group
19:14 <@wilpig> why is king of the nerds getting a second season?
19:14 <@anarchival> We definitely need to do a makerspace or some related workshops at PN
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19:14 <@SuMo_D> no I don't know the Knoxville or Chattanooga makers but would love a contact
19:15 <@SuMo_D> it2pi has their expo April 27th
19:15 <@wilpig> where is the outrage from the nerd community over having the first season ending with a popularity contest?  
19:15 <@SuMo_D> and Shug is head of the Tech track for the Asheville con in June
19:16 <@anarchival> These are the ones I know about: https://knoxmakers.org/ http://www.chattlab.org/blog/
19:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Knox Makers (at knoxmakers.org)
19:16 <@anarchival> Also in Memphis: http://www.midsouthmakers.org/
19:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Midsouth Makers Memphis Area Makerspace (at www.midsouthmakers.org)
19:16 <@SuMo_D> Do you have any personal contacts there?
19:18 <@anarchival> Not anyone I know beyond social media, no.
19:19 <@anarchival> JohnnyX might have some actual relationships, but they'd probably be pretty welcoming if you just emailed or dropped into their channels.
19:19 <@SuMo_D> yeah, something to follow up on
19:19 <@SuMo_D> I need to reach out to the Charlotte folks too
19:20 <@SuMo_D> honestly... more in the I want to build and make and teach mode rather than promote mode lately...
19:20 <@SuMo_D> but both are necessary
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19:22 <@anarchival> It's easier than ever to communicate and connect with people, but still seems to require a lot of effort.
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19:23 <@anarchival> Maybe because subcultures can spread faster now.
19:23 <@SuMo_D> yeah.... and I'm good at that part, still making and learning and teaching is what I want to do right now
19:24 <@anarchival> I mean, we've got enough small to mid-size maker groups in our region to put together a DragonCon-sized event if we brought them all together.
19:24 <@anarchival> But it gets to the point that if you tried to do that, you wouldn't have time for actually making stuff.
19:25 <@anarchival> One reason why it's important to have a rotating pool of people who can work on conferences like PN; you don't want to exhaust people.
19:26 <@SuMo_D> yeah
19:26 <@SuMo_D> speaking of cool things that have been made has anybody in here played with the retropi project?
19:28 <@SuMo_D> My friend brought his over last night with a few custom hacks and a game controller he'd gotten to play nicely with it, it was amazing! I played Megaman for an hour... there's like 500 NES, and SNES, Doom, Duke Nukem  whatever retro games you want to put on it
19:29 <@SuMo_D> http://lifehacker.com/how-to-turn-your-raspberry-pi-into-a-retro-game-console-498561192
19:30 <@wilpig> seems pretty straight forward
19:31 <@SuMo_D> yeah it is, and it works great... he just did a few custom things where you can press the start select button to get out of the game instead of having to restart the whole thing
19:31 <@SuMo_D> and yeah... the game controller
19:33 <@SuMo_D> I played Megaman for 2 hours :P
19:33 <@SuMo_D> oh wait I said that already... I'm getting spicy
19:33 <@SuMo_D> spacey
19:33 <@SuMo_D> autocorrect is getting me too...
19:34 <@SuMo_D> must be the pig squeels from the oven throwing me off my game
19:35 <@oddball> woohoo! SuMo_D's getting spicy! :p
19:36 <@oddball> and... pig squeels from the oven... You're cooking wilpig?
19:36 <@SuMo_D> hehehe I'm not even sure what that would mean for me....
19:36 <@SuMo_D> yes... wilpig gave me an oven seemed like the logical next step
19:36 <@oddball> heh
19:38 <@SuMo_D> Our kickster funded today too!!! woo! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/686634265/youth-programming-inventors-expo
19:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Youth Programming Inventors' Expo by Malinda McAleer-Pennington Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
19:39 <@anarchival> I'm waiting for someone to post a guide to running a manned space vehicle on a Raspberry Pi.
19:39 <@SuMo_D> anarchival - the video on there is a good overview of what we're doing with the kids program... I'm probably going to extend some of our graphics with robots things soon though... using the eggbot and 3D printer stuffs
19:40 <@SuMo_D> how's your night going oddball?
19:41 <@wilpig> I should have picked up some cornmeal yesterday. I've got that fish from mirage I could be cooking tonight
19:42 <@anarchival> That is absolutely brilliant I am so glad y'all got funded! We need this here!
19:44 <@SuMo_D> yeah Malinda is a madwoman... she gets it done, I'm happy I get to work with her
19:44 <@SuMo_D> we'll see how it goes next year... we need to grow and get more funding if we're going to be sustainable... but we're getting there
19:47 <@oddball> SuMo_D: Pretty good.
19:48 <@oddball> Except with the possible exception that Naienko is subjecting me to the Teen Wolf TV series.
19:48 <@wilpig> lol
19:48 <@oddball> Which, honestly, isn't the worst thing on TV.
19:48 <@wilpig> teen wolf vs honey booboo?
19:49 <@oddball> You die now!
19:50 <@SuMo_D> lol
19:50 <@SuMo_D> yeah... that's the one on MTV right?
19:50 <@SuMo_D> pretty much anything on MTV these days is going to rot your brain in a painful fashion
19:51 <@SuMo_D> although Catfish is fascinating...
19:51 <@SuMo_D> how dumb can you be internet users! Lets find out!
19:53 <@oddball> Yeah... it's on MTV.  It's actually not that bad.
19:54 < RangerZ> oddball: did you see my sodastream or comcast comments?
19:55 < RangerZ> you can just 'swap' the CO2 canisters at the walmart near dickerson & 65, no charge, lol... they don't know what they are doing, lol
19:58 <@oddball> No... I didn't.
19:58 <@wilpig> what are they swapping them for?  people coming in witht he empty just saying it isn't working anymore?
19:59 <@oddball> Oh, people are buying canisters, using them up inside the return time period, and getting new ones?
19:59 <@oddball> And let me guess... someone is calling this a "hack."
19:59 < RangerZ> no, i mean you are suppose to be able to take the empty CO2 canister, and pay a fee to get a new one ... basically like propane tank
20:00 < RangerZ> but they are just 'returning' them, and giving you a full one
20:00 < RangerZ> for free
20:00 <@oddball> Oh, so a local Walmart is screwing itself over. Gotcha.
20:00 < RangerZ> the customer service desk doesn't know what to do, so if you need to refill it, i'm always for screwing walmart, lol
20:01 <@oddball> Yeah... if you're not being shifty about it...
20:01 < RangerZ> i'm not, i was proper about it
20:01 < RangerZ> just them being stupid on their own part
20:02 <@SuMo_D> oddball I saw the worst article yesterday about "life hacking is a white privilege" - it just went on and on about how this one dude is a dick, and promotes being a dick... and he gets away with it cause he's a white dude... and I'm like... that's not life hacking... that is a dude just being a dick...
20:02 < RangerZ> so I got notified by my router that I hit my 250GB limit for the month, 3 days later Comcast calls me to tell me I went over my 300GB limit
20:02 <@oddball> Unlike folks that would come in to the OfficeDepot I worked at claiming that their ink cartridges were defective when they clearly used them and brought back the empties expecting us to give them new cartidgres.
20:02 < RangerZ> sorry 200GB router notification*
20:02 <@oddball> SuMo_D: Oh, yeah... I saw that.
20:04 <@oddball> People have started to use "white privlidge," etc because they're afraid to call it what it is: "this guy is a major asshole."
20:04 <@anarchival> Equally plausible is that Walmart did the math on refilling cartridges v. replacing cartridges and figured out it was cheaper for them to just replace with new units.
20:04 <@oddball> Remember: Our current society not only accepts sociopaths, but rewards their behavior.
20:04 <@SuMo_D> yeah, I mean... there's that... it was more this is a "life hack" by going to the front of the line without asking... got me pissy
20:05 <@SuMo_D> true
20:05 <@anarchival> I saw a link to that and now I'm really glad I didn't click on it.
20:06 <@oddball> Yeah... People have started over using the term "hack."
20:06 <@anarchival> I could get with the argument that it's only a "life hack" when you're so wealthy you don't, by necessity, have to get creative with your means...
20:07 <@anarchival> The next O'Reilly bullshit meme to describe something that naturally exists so he can sell books and get page views, etc., etc.,
20:07 <@oddball> I've seen an article entitled "30 best camping hacks," and at least 25 of those tips were "buy this item that was expressly designed for this task."
20:08 <@SuMo_D> yeah... I saw it on Sociological Images feed... which... used to be one of my favorites but they've been posting up some real shite lately
20:08 <@anarchival> Wow. So the exact opposite of what is actually a hack. That's just super.
20:08 <@wilpig> best camping hack i've seen is the how to make a portable burner out of a can and some alchohol
20:08 <@wilpig> the can being beer, coke, etc
20:08 <@oddball> I'm sorry, chopping up a coke can to use as an alcohol stove is a hack; buying a gas stove is not.
20:09 <@oddball> wilpig: heh... yeah. :)
20:09 <@oddball> It's pretty easy to do too.
20:09 <@wilpig> I watched a video of some guys making one.  it was pretty neat
20:18 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTJjxRXIm_A
20:18 < GateKeeper> Title: TEDxMadtown - James Carlson-Bucketworks - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:19 <@SuMo_D> this is a great talk about Maker Spaces and why EVERY CITY NEEDS ONE - its great for explaining it to people not familiar with the concept
20:47 < RangerZ> http://egbertowillies.com/2013/12/22/christian-anarchists-steal-merchandise/ ok...
20:50 <@anarchival> lol that is wonderful
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20:52 <@anarchival> My favorite part is when they compare petty theft of some calendars to political assasination.
20:53 <@anarchival> It's a slippery slope from stealing and defacing porn displays to genocide...
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21:12 <@SuMo_D> anybody have any tips for breaking into plastic casings? I've got my pry bars... and they usually do the job, but this thing is being particularly stubborn
21:18 <@wilpig> what is it?
21:19 <@SuMo_D> a usb 3 hub
21:19 <@wilpig> you sure you've removed any screws?
21:19 <@SuMo_D> yep
21:19 <@wilpig> checked under all the stickers, rubber pads, etc?
21:19 <@SuMo_D> yep
21:19 <@SuMo_D> oh! missed one
21:20 <@SuMo_D> thx wilpig!
21:20 <@wilpig> try applying pressure from front to back to make a weak spot in the middle then see if You can get somethign thin in, then do the usual feel around to find the clips and hope they didn't clue the fucker
21:21 <@oddball> I do love the statement in the comment section: "and how they can consider themselves Anarchists when they presume the authority to impose their will on others."  Ummm... that's what most "anarchists" do.
21:22 <@SuMo_D> lol ain't that the truth....
21:23 <@SuMo_D> I used to have a friend in grad school who'd love to pipe up and go I'm an anarchist! in the middle of class... and it was like... errr... what kind hun, you know when you say that kind of stuff in the middle of a large class most people will be super confused and it needs a little bit of definition there - also there's that whole ideals vs. practice thing....
21:24 <@oddball> "right! you want anarchy?  You want people to do what ever they feel like doing?" *boottothehead*
21:25 <@oddball> Now... since there's no system, the only person that can punish me is you... and whatever allies you have.  Oh, need outside medical treatment?  Damn shame.
21:28 <@SuMo_D> yeah, in this case he was an intern with something called the Living theater, I forget what it was exactly... but it was a more of a  lets have more free expression give some power to community voices but I had to explain to him... that's not what everyone thinks when you say hi! I'm an anarchist!
21:28 <@anarchival> Anarchy is sort of a broad spectrum...and a lot of anarchists avoid the problems of Actual Anarchy the same way libertarians do: by not expecting their political ideology to ever be enacted.
21:28 <@SuMo_D> true
21:29 <@SuMo_D> even if they'll never actually put it that way....
21:29 <@oddball> Because a true libertarian is basically an anarchist in a suit.
21:30 <@anarchival> Libertarians are much more at-ease with collective power, as long as it's not state-owned, i.e., corporations
21:31 <@anarchival> the problem there is, whenever humans consolidate their power it inevitability ends in tyranny and violence
21:31 <@anarchival> corporations can rule just as effectively as governments, sometimes even better so
21:31 <@oddball> Right.  I think the defining thing there is that corporations aren't kicking down people's doors, shooting their dogs, and throwing them in jail/shooting them.
21:32 <@anarchival> Personally I less of a problem with violence than a lot of anarchists, but the theory is that if anarchy actually existed humans would be more likely to recognize violence as a zero sum game and use other methods of conflict resolution
21:33 <@anarchival> The risk of violence really only makes sense when we form gangs, and anarchy seeks to destroy our motivations to do that
21:33 <@oddball> Right... it's very much of the Rousseau line of thinking.
21:34 <@anarchival> Personally I don't think we'll ever get rid of the pack mentality. We're apes. It's a biological drive.
21:35 <@anarchival> It would be nice if we kept the packs small, though, so for instance no one government has the power to control the smallest details of everyone's lives
21:35 <@oddball> I disagree with that.  Violence can make a lot of sense if you're dealing with a lot of individuals/small groups.  It's easier to destroy a single unit, which means that the risk of retaliation when you attack them for resources is significantly less.
21:36 <@Dickie> I'll kill you for that.
21:36 <@oddball> See?
21:36 <@anarchival> That's why humans engage in pack behavior, yes. Tribes have survival value. This is why nonviolence doesn't work for me.
21:37 <@oddball> With large groups, you have to calculate that there *will* be retaliation, which makes moves against others riskier.
21:38 <@oddball> And frankly, the idea that a small group will not try to control every bit of your life is demonstrably wrong.
21:38 <@anarchival> Large States are useful for curbing crime, yes. They are also nearly impossible to stop when they start abusing their power.
21:39 <@oddball> But it's easier for the "rats" to hide due to the larger population.
21:40 <@anarchival> Sure, but if you don't agree with the cultural values of a particular group, you can leave it and join a group with whom you have more affinity. Governments don't often give their citizens a choice in participating, and one's ability to find another country that's better is extremely limited.
21:40 <@oddball> I think that the US has a good balance in theory with the multiple layers of government.  The problem is that we have decided/allowed the Federal government to become too powerful and basically runs more and more things.
21:41 <@anarchival> More groups equal more choice and less of a likelihood you'll be forced to accept a status quo you're uncomfortable with.
21:41 <@oddball> Yeah... there does come a certain point where the people running things are too detached from too large of a percentage of the population to effectively rule benificially.
21:42 <@oddball> Which is why our founding fathers set up a weak federal government and strong state governments.  We've flipped it around.
21:43 <@oddball> There is the issue of many states with significantly different laws, but, as you said, if you didn't like it, there would be a decent probability that another state does it differently.
21:44 <@anarchival> Most humans prefer safety and stability to liberty. Revolutions only really happen when people start going hungry, because the regime has become so incompetent or corrupt it can no longer supply its bread and circuses.
21:44 <@oddball> right
21:45 <@oddball> Which makes you wonder when you turn on the TV and the news is talking about Duck Comander instead of Congress passing CIPA.
21:46 <@anarchival> Yessir.
21:46 <@oddball> Hell, it seems that the only times the media really get upset lately is when the administration starts pushing them around.
21:47 <@anarchival> That's been the case for a long time, really. The media has a "Respect My Authori-TAY" attitude.
21:48 <@anarchival> They're happy to be the propaganda branch of the government as long as the government is doing their job for them.
21:48 <@oddball> Even then, I don't think the main stream folks said a word when the government was seriously discussing making a very narrow legal definition of what "the press" was, and who the 1st amendment actually protected.
21:49 <@anarchival> Remember FDR's relationship to the media? He knew how to work them.
21:49 <@oddball> heh
21:49 <@NotLarry> ok, "we" are apes is a little presumptious
21:49 <@oddball> Yes, yes... some are house plants.
21:50 <@anarchival> Vegetables? Some of us are vegetables?
21:50 < RangerZ> no... "house plant"s
21:50 <@anarchival> I think very few members of the press these days regard themselves as real journalists, like Greenwald. They're more like Ron Burgundy.
21:50 <@oddball> I did see that some of the press have finally started getting upset that the White House will only let them use photos of the prez that the official White House photographer takes.  Only took, what, 6 years?
21:52 <@Shadow404> poke
21:52 <@anarchival> Yeah, that's some bullshit. Not surprising coming from Obama and in an age where everyone is carrying a camera, but still some bullshit.
21:52 <@Shadow404> oh great, more of this
21:52 <@Shadow404> ....
21:57 <@Shadow404> woot woot, what my gf got me for an early xmas gift: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-mUcm8b0T1U8/UrpGt4klCoI/AAAAAAAAH3A/JWKnBNeEreI/w887-h665-no/20131224_214503.jpg
22:00 <@anarchival> Maybe I'll put this on my business cards... http://images.cpcache.com/image/27931678.png
22:01 <@NotLarry> I like that
22:02 <@anarchival> Also I think it's pretty funny after the Sturmabteilung fiasco that my initials also form a Star of David: http://www.forbiddensymbols.com/wp-content/uploads/Veganarchy_symbol.png
22:02 <@NotLarry> anarchival: I was in a wheelchair, but I was not a "vegetable."  I just did it for the lulz, and the chicks, chicks dig a guy in a wheelchair.  And they don't think twice about helping you get it in the van "if you know what I mean."
22:03 <@Shadow404> anarchival: how about this: https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRHQAuCopnk0BJA_-Yiy0HFsWmCP9tRZ5b3mZFYULTz8hRktcpB
22:04 <@anarchival> I don't know. That looks like a symbol more for fisting than for woman power.
22:05 <@anarchival> NotLarry: I have full faith and confidence in your ability to seduce the ladies. Let's never speak of this again.
22:07 <@anarchival> I feel so sorry for the peon in whichever intelligence agency has been tracking my search history lately. How do you analyze this shit? There's no coherence.
22:08 <@anarchival> Oh hey look it's my Nashville logo: http://designbeep.designbeep.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/22.single-letter-a-logo-designs.jpg
22:24 <@SuMo_D> NotLarry sometimes you say the darndest things...
22:29 <@anarchival> I'm not very good at git when I'm drinking.
22:29 <@anarchival> I'm not very good at git when I'm sober, either, but bourbon doesn't help.
22:32 <@wilpig> don't you be blaming bourbon for anything other than making me more attractive
22:34 <@anarchival> It does go nicely with roast pork.
22:34 <@anarchival> Sumo_D, is dinner ready yet?
22:35 <@wilpig> no
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22:37 <@anarchival> But seriously, git is an even better sobriety test than texting.
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22:39 <@wilpig> git -am 'Git is great! close #1'
22:39 <@wilpig> git push
22:41 <@anarchival> Either Pages takes muuuuuch longer to respond to the initial push than they claim, or I've done something wrong.
22:42 <@anarchival> I've probably done something wrong.
22:49 <@anarchival> yep, did something wrong
22:50 <@NotLarry> wilpig: call me
22:50 <@wilpig> NotLarry: you're and old fuck
22:50 <@wilpig> now what?
22:50 <@NotLarry> Got my christmas present, want to try it out.
22:50 <@NotLarry> Shit, where is the button to answer the phone on these?
22:54 <@oddball> anarchival: Seeing that first image reminded me, did you hear that Mikael Kalashnikov died yesterday?
22:55 <@anarchival> Yep.
23:04 <@SuMo_D> EMMERGERD.... this guy paid for his invoice and estimate up front... he is actually legit... that means he may actually be able to come through on that laser cutter
23:04 <@SuMo_D> I think my brain just exploded
23:05 <@SuMo_D> also holy shit... how long has it been since I've had a client that actually pays an invoice the same day! its a Christmas Miracle!
23:05 <@anarchival> God bless us, every one.
23:06 <@wilpig> did someone say christmas miracle? Hail Satan!  gather round all my critters, christmas is here!
23:06 <@wilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJV7hr2P5EE
23:06 < GateKeeper> Title: Christmas critters - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:09 <@SuMo_D> lol
23:10 <@SuMo_D> its not Satan silly, its Seitan
23:10 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eovuIfeH2k4
23:10 < GateKeeper> Title: Vegan Black Metal Chef Episode 4 - Hail Seitan - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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23:43 <@Dagmar>  Okay.  That was unconfortable
23:43 <@wilpig> eat more fiber?
23:44 <@Dagmar> No... I just went to get some stocking stuffer gift cards at Walgreen's
23:45 <@Dagmar> THe people who are doing their last-minute shopping there are *poor*
23:45 <@Dagmar> THere's a car in teh parking lot that's failing to run right,, and a family desperate to get it working, etc etc
23:45 <@Dagmar> ...and I roll up to the register and ring up $285.33
23:46 <@Dagmar> I saw six people ringing their stuff up before me.  No one over $80.
23:46 <@Dagmar> I could feel the people behind me kind of gasp
23:48 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm standing there holding basically someone's whole paycheck worth of plastic money.
23:48 <@Dagmar> Damn glad I just cut my hair and was all thugged out
23:51 <@Dagmar> I hate that there's anyone *that* poor
23:51 <@Dagmar> That's just messed up
23:52 <@wilpig> some of those situations are tragic, others are their own making and I don't have any sympathy for them
23:53 <@Dagmar> Yeah, there was a black guy there buying presents for his kids.
23:53 <@Dagmar> "Lashonda's kid" and "Wanda's kid"
23:53 <@Dagmar> ..as well as the kid of the woman he was with.
23:53 <@Dagmar> I got a real "he should try condoms" vibe there
23:54 <@Dagmar> Shopping at the Publix had me kinda forgetting there's definitely some low income folks over on this side of town still
23:55 <@Dagmar> They're sort of decked out like the West Meade Kroger's over there.  Mainly young, affluent people shopping there.
23:56 <@Dagmar> I avoid the Kroger's nearest here because, well, poor people.
23:57 <@Dagmar> Now that I look like a complete elitist prat, I'm going to go fetch my laundry
23:57 <@wilpig> lol
23:57 <@wilpig> I never had that kind of issue with kroger when I was down there, but then again I was usually in there at 3 and 4 in the morning.
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