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00:18 <@SuMo_D> the hour of code link is www.code.org they have some good resources, mostly kid focused
00:21 < RangerZ> holy hell... found my cable box
00:21 < RangerZ> i _knew_ i had HDMI/cat5 cables
00:22 < RangerZ> 4 of each hidden :/
00:26 <@Dagmar> Forecast is now for one inch of snow tonight
00:26  * oddball laughs at silly weatherman
00:28 < RangerZ> i hope it comes down in feet
00:28 < RangerZ> i'd like to see TN shutdown
00:29 <@oddball> I think I heard rain a little while ago.
00:31 <@Dagmar> There's light sleet here right now
00:31 <@Dagmar> Looking at the radar... "It has begun".
00:52 < RangerZ> Corydon76-work: you're going to hate this bs http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoXqz2yNI7Y
00:52 < GateKeeper> Title: Transgender People Arent As Valuable As Higher End People, Argues Attorney - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:56 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I saw that
00:57 <@Corydon76-work> Didn't the judge throw the book at his client anyway?
00:57 <@Corydon76-work> and directly contradict the lawyer on that point?
00:59 < RangerZ> yeah,but still
01:01 < RangerZ> so is there a place to buy older cheap PCs now that geeks.com has gone away?
01:01 <@Dagmar> Craigslist
01:01 <@Dagmar> Ebay
01:01 <@Dagmar> Anyone but Marty Fikes
01:02 <@Corydon76-work> I'll ditto on Craigslist
01:02 <@Corydon76-work> There's a few people locally who buy pallets of surplus goods, then parcel them out on Craigslist
01:06 < aestetix> vagina
01:06 <@Corydon76-work> I have a number of Dell workstations gotten that way
01:19 < RangerZ> I just need a build bot
01:20 < RangerZ> box*
01:20 < RangerZ> will probably wait until next year at this point
01:23 <@Corydon76-work> What project are you building?
01:47 < RangerZ> "On Dec. 9, 2013, at 7:15 p.m., a student residing in a Mayfield apartment contacted VUPD to report that an unknown person(s) entered the residence and stole several items. An apartment window was reported to have been left ajar. "
01:48 < RangerZ> fucking vandy
01:48 < RangerZ> B&E never actually.... 'breaks' anything
01:48 < RangerZ> because they don't have to
01:48 < RangerZ> stupid people leaving shit unlocked or open at night
01:48 < RangerZ> wtf
01:58 < RangerZ> yay
01:58 < RangerZ> i'll be the only one at isis tomorrow
01:58 < RangerZ> and the only one with an ice scraper that extends to 6ft...
01:58 < RangerZ> hell... probalby only one with a decent ice scraper at all, lol
02:05 < aestetix> man
02:05 < aestetix> I love it when hot chicks tweet about sex
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06:54 < aestetix> It was after midnight and back in those days that was when all the titty flix came on. One came on that my cousin was really into. He started touching his raging erection in his pajama pants and then he let out a blood curdling scream. Somehow he ruptured a vein or something in his peen. We had to go wake up his mom.
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07:23 <@Shadow404> on that note, has anyone ever attended a professional social networking event?
07:24 <@Shadow404> my friend sent me a free invite (usually $10) and wondering if its worht my time
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07:27 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:34 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: have you ever been to an organized professional social networking event?
07:35 <@Dolemite> Well, yeah, unless by 'social networking' you mean specifically Facebook/Twitter
07:37 <@Dolemite> Nearly every conference that I attend has a professional social networking component to it
07:44 <@Shadow404> well, this is an organized cocktails and munchies at loca luna for professional networking (loca luna - a mexican cantina restraunt in atlanta)
07:44 <@Shadow404> has it been helpful at all? to your career?
07:46 <@Dolemite> Well, yeah, kinda sorta
07:46 <@Dolemite> It's always good to make connections.  Sometimes you'll meet someone that may work at a place you apply for a position at in the future
07:47 <@Dolemite> Or you may meet someone that would be a great addition to your own team
07:47 <@Dolemite> Don't be short sighted in trying to assess the value of it.  You may build some bridges that won't be crossed for a decade or more.
07:54 < NotLarry> Morning Dol
07:55 <@Dolemite> What's shakin', NL?
07:56 <@Dolemite> NotLarry = The last holdout from my tenure at VU.
07:56 <@Shadow404> hrmm, so for $10 its probably worth it
07:57 <@Shadow404> and hey, it includes cocktails and munchies in the price
07:57 <@Dolemite> Shadow404: Yeah, at least one time
07:57 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: When is Pedro's last day?
07:57 <@Shadow404> very good point, thx
08:00 <@Shadow404> ok, just rsvp'ed to it
08:00  * Shadow404 hugs dole-daddy
08:04 <@Dolemite> Is there a LOPSA chapter in Atlanta?  That would be a good one to participate in, too.
08:05 <@wilpig> heavy traffic + snow + hills + ranger = rough commute
08:05 <@wilpig> got stopped on a hill just before the interstate and thought I wasn't gonna get moving forward again
08:07 <@Shadow404> This was "networkafterwork.com"
08:07 <@Dolemite> You need to start keeping a few bags of kitty litter in the back of the truck
08:07 <@Shadow404> lopsa..ill check that out too
08:07 <@wilpig> i may have to run to lowes this afternoon and get some sand
08:08 <@Dolemite> wilpig: You should check out your local chapter meeting -> https://lopsa.org/localprogram
08:08 < GateKeeper> Title: LOPSA Chapters and Affiliated Local Groups | League of Professional System Administrators (at lopsa.org)
08:08 <@Dolemite> They don't have an Atlanta chapter, Shadow404
08:08 <@wilpig> oh dear
08:09 <@Shadow404> yeah, looks like they were trying to get one started, but with most things atlanta cant organize or attend meetings for shit, just look at what happened to 404-2600 meetings
08:10 <@Shadow404> id rather have the drama your experiencing in 615 than no drama at all
08:13 <@Dolemite> I think the drama factor has gone way down in 615, but unfortunately so has attendance
08:13 <@Dolemite> But I don't think it's much of an issue - there's still a decent amount in attendance, and those not showing up anymore were basically just puppets, anyway
08:14 <@wilpig> I was no puppet you asshat
08:14 <@Dolemite> Shadow404: There is an ATL chapter of LOPSA -> https://www.facebook.com/LopsaAtl
08:14 < GateKeeper> Title: Lopsa-Atl (at www.facebook.com)
08:15 <@Dolemite> wilpig: Yes, but you're no longer in 615, which excludes you from the set of people I was referencing. :P
08:16 <@wilpig> you said those not showing up anymore
08:16 <@Shadow404> hrmm, ok, i just saved that link, if the event on the 17th goes well, ill consider joining that
08:16 <@Dolemite> revision:  Those not showing up anymore but still within the region
08:16 <@Shadow404> just depends on how i feel about that kind of stuff, but i gotta find out for myself
08:17 <@wilpig> btw there are new officers and the new president started with the kickstarter idea again.  brace yourself for fail
08:17 <@Dolemite> LOPSA in East TN is like a halfway happy medium between what NLUG and Nashville 2600 used to be.
08:17 <@Dolemite> Lots of maker types, but not exclusively Linux
08:17 <@Dolemite> And for the few meetings I went to, no drama
08:18 <@Dolemite> In other words, egos are in check and dicks are left in the pants
08:20 <@Shadow404> it sucks how just a few rotten eggs can mess up the whole bunch
08:28 <@Dolemite> Those weren't rotten eggs, that's just how wilpig's farts smell.
08:29 <@Shadow404> yeah, apparently scientist found a new particle recently, its a wilpig "Pharticle"
08:29 <@Shadow404> I so funny
08:30 <@wilpig> oddball: so everything is working on that array now
08:30 <@wilpig> ?
08:46 <@wilpig> Dolemite: the one place in devices and I think on the rack request where the datavalidation plugin is used it doesn't handle the date locales well
08:47 <@Dolemite> I only added the date locales in 2 places
08:47 <@wilpig> that's what jose was complaining about
08:47 <@Dolemite> dc_stats and zone_stats
08:47 <@wilpig> the date validation
08:48 <@Dolemite> Date validation is most likely going to have to stick with the calendar picker
08:48 <@Dolemite> Can you not set a locale in it?
08:48 <@wilpig> note easily
08:48 <@wilpig> not*
08:48 <@Dolemite> Well, we will internationalize what we can
08:48 <@wilpig> They were writing a newer version that might handle it better but i'd have to look again
08:49 <@wilpig> it's essentially just a regex match and didn't have anything in it to find the locale
08:49 <@Dolemite> Any Linux admins looking - ORNL is hiring
08:49 <@wilpig> bah.  this file rename is taking forever
08:50 <@wilpig> what normally takes a few seconds has taken like 10 minutes now
09:02 <@wilpig> just added S08 and 14 of southpark to plex in 720p
09:03 <@Shadow404> is there any more archer available?
09:03 <@wilpig> no
09:04 <@wilpig> 2014-01-135x01TBA
09:04 <@wilpig> archer returns next month
09:05 <@Shadow404> wooot woot, so i guess im all caught up
09:16 <@Shadow404> oddball: steam was set to "unlimited", but i set it to 25mb limit to see if that makes any difference
09:23 <@wilpig> I wonder how long this initial run of unison is gonna take
09:39 <@oddball> wilpig: Yeah... looks like everythings working now.  Well... except the stupid software that came with it.
09:42 <@oddball> Of course... the copy session asked me a question in the middle of the night after I went to bed... so it's not done like I was hoping, but...
09:57 <@Dolemite> Was there a new Lost Girl on Sunday?
09:58 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: did they put an amber alert out for her?
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10:10 <@wilpig> yeah their software is shit
10:10 <@wilpig> but the hardware works
10:10 <@wilpig> Dolemite: yes. and it's on my server
10:17 <@wilpig> woot!  unison is working
10:17 <@wilpig> I've got it tuned out so that it isn't syncing the cache directory and defaults to big changes coming from the primary server
10:17 <@wilpig> but I just posted on my server and the attachment synced to the primary server just fine
10:23 <@wilpig> Dolemite: http://47.23.76.131/web/index.html#!/servers/17d3b7fc78dc5fc851e60e988d761dc981790949/sections/4/details/16019
10:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Plex/Web (at 47.23.76.131)
10:24 <@brimstone> aww, have to sign in
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10:25 <@wilpig> if you don't have a login I can give you one
10:26 <@brimstone> i don't want a login
10:26 <@brimstone> i don't want to login
10:26 <@brimstone> far too much work
10:26 <@Shadow404> brimstone is being difficult
10:27 <@Shadow404> ....whats new
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10:32 <@brimstone> pi over lambda
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10:33 <@wilpig> oh brimstone you know you want to watch lost girl
10:42 <@brimstone> i just hope someone finds her
10:43 <@wilpig> i'd love to find her
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10:44 <@wilpig> http://25.media.tumblr.com/dc8815fd5a440103ea592dce192e0a83/tumblr_mhbru19m7g1qayljjo1_500.gif
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10:49 < RangerZ> wilpig: +1 gif
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11:02 <@wilpig> http://itberice.tumblr.com/post/69482870014/actual-dialogue-from-canadian-television-show-lost
11:11 < RangerZ> wilpig: wtf, really, lol
11:11 <@wilpig> yup
11:11 <@wilpig> i wanted them to start scissoring too
11:17 <@Dolemite> I'm up to s03e05, I believe
11:17 <@Dolemite> maybe s03e04
11:17 <@Dolemite> The second episode with the hawt new partner for Dyson
11:18 <@Mirage> That notation for TV shows always reminds me of Solaris disk partitioning and makes me cringe
11:18 <@Dolemite> heh
11:19 <@wilpig> haha
11:19 <@wilpig> Mirage: don't look in my tv shows directory then
11:20 <@Mirage> Mine are similar as well because the IMDB search stuff in mythtv seems to like it best for finding show information
11:20 < RangerZ> so am I the only one who likes to make "fonties" cringe?
11:20 <@wilpig> /media/tv/Lost Girl/Lost Girl - S04E01 - In Memoriam.mkv
11:20 <@wilpig> /media/tv/Lost Girl/Lost Girl - S04E02 - Sleeping Beauty School.mkv
11:20 <@wilpig> /media/tv/Lost Girl/Lost Girl - S04E03 - Lovers. Apart..mkv
11:20 <@wilpig> /media/tv/Lost Girl/Lost Girl - S04E04 - Turn to Stone.mkv
11:20 <@wilpig> /media/tv/Lost Girl/Lost Girl - S04E05 - Let the Dark Times Roll.mkv
11:21 < RangerZ> I like to make forum banners with atleast 10 different fonts, and different colors,
11:21 <@wilpig> you're a sick man
11:21 <@Shadow404> do the girls at least make out? on that show?
11:21 < RangerZ> aye, that I am
11:22 <@Shadow404> otherwise is like watching buffy and not getting any action?
11:22 <@Mirage> Shadow404: have you been hiding under a rock?  watch the damn show
11:22 <@Shadow404> uh, you could say that
11:23 <@wilpig> yes they do.  anna silk jams her tongue in just about everyone's mouth
11:23 <@Shadow404> epically busy, but ill add it to my que
11:23 <@Shadow404> woot, just like the parties i attend
11:23 <@Shadow404> only on tv, woo
11:28 < RangerZ> i need to attend parties like that... then
11:30 <@Shadow404> hehe, our halloween theme was "knives, needles, chains and kisses"
11:30 <@wilpig> RangerZ: in response to your fonts
11:30 <@wilpig> 11:29 < elliott> http://i.imgur.com/LGc7SYE.jpg
11:30 <@Shadow404> i had a dedicated needle play station
11:30 <@oddball> Much less so so far this season, but she just had a kid and was pregenant during filming of last season.
11:31 <@Shadow404> thats no excuse
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11:47 <@Catonic> wow. Thunderbird handles like a pig in mud when you have folders with >60K messages
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12:02 <@wilpig> best card.  http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0059/1872/products/Matt5_1024x1024.png?v=1353363444
12:05 <@Shadow404> Catonic: heh, outlook starts dying at just 5k
12:06 <@Shadow404> wow, mind labeling that as nsfw wilpig
12:06 <@Shadow404> just sayin
12:06 <@Shadow404> i thought it was gonna be a hardware card like a video card or something
12:08 <@wilpig> Ilabel what is nsfw as such.  tis a comic and if you are offended by language then I suggest not reading
12:09 <@Shadow404> not me, but some idiot monitoring the url filter might
12:10 <@Shadow404> seriously, do u think im easily offended by stuff like that
12:10 <@wilpig> clearly so
12:11 <@wilpig> bah
12:11 <@wilpig> neteng just broke the internet
12:12 <@Shadow404> solar flares?
12:12 <@wilpig> locking down the dc from the local wifi
12:13 <@wilpig> gotta use the vpn client now even when local
12:13 <@wilpig> you know cause all your major network threats are wifi based in the dc facility 
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12:24 <@brimstone> i prefer the argument: anything on wifi is likely to travel home and need vpn access anyway
12:30 <@Dolemite> Ugh.  Stuffed.  Just had our holiday party.
12:30 <@Dolemite> Smoked turkey that was so.  fucking.  good.
12:31 <@brimstone> i like how those lined up on the same line.
12:33 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: we got Boston Market catering ours Thursday, i wont be eating breakfast
12:33 <@Dolemite> The ham and turkey came from a local restaurant here that's a favorite...    they knocked this one out of the park
12:35 <@Shadow404> awesome
12:37 <@Dolemite> wilpig: I may have recruited someone here at the lab to translate into Russian.  And no, it's not replacing every third word with 'vodka'.
12:38 <@wilpig> i'd support that translation
12:38 <@wilpig> i'd also support a translation where all the V's where chnaged to W's
12:39 <@Shadow404> I support changing every third word to vodka
12:41 <@Catonic> lol
12:41 <@Shadow404> In soviet russia, vodka changes you
12:42 <@Shadow404> So catonic, vodka are you vokda to today?
12:49 <@wilpig> these guys just arent' getting it.  people don't want to pay a shitload for fucking cable.  http://watch.nimbletv.com/plans/nyc/invited
12:49 < GateKeeper> Title: nimbleTV (at watch.nimbletv.com)
12:50 <@wilpig> hey!  we'll only charge you $80 a month for all the cable channels and we won't even run a wire to your door!  
12:50 <@wilpig> for the same price you can get the cable to your door minus the streaming aspect
12:51 <@brimstone> but... sports ball!
12:53 <@Shadow404> heh, thats the biggest packing seller, sports, its sad
12:54 <@Shadow404> i know a few people at my work that have the super mundo sports package, they pay like $300/month, and thats no joke
13:11 <@wilpig> well hello thar chromecast getting plex support
13:11 <@wilpig> http://chrome.blogspot.co.uk/2013/12/new-chromecast-apps-for-holidays.html
13:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Chrome Blog: New Chromecast apps for the holidays (at chrome.blogspot.co.uk)
13:12 <@wilpig> who's got a chromecast that can test it?
13:14 <@Shadow404> i has chrome, whats chromecast?
13:15 <@brimstone> chromecast is a $35 youtube marketing vehicle
13:15 <@Shadow404> oh, its an media playr off the hdmi port
13:15 <@Shadow404> ok
13:15 <@brimstone> http://phandroid.com/2013/12/10/plex-chromecast-support/
13:15 <@Shadow404> nah, i have a sonny player
13:18 <@Shadow404> morpheus video is live: http://morpheuslander.jsc.nasa.gov/live/
13:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Project Morpheus : Live (at morpheuslander.jsc.nasa.gov)
13:18 <@Shadow404> er, wrong channel
13:22 <@oddball> So... anyone with a Chromecast tell me whether or not it's best to think of it as a wireless hdmi cable?
13:22 <@oddball> 'cause you need a computer or android phone to actually watch anything, from what I can tell.
13:24 <@Shadow404> i thought it was a standalone media player?
13:24 <@oddball> ope
13:24 <@oddball> nope
13:24 <@rattle> I believe it works with iOS devices as well.
13:25 <@rattle> I think it can also interface directly with netflix/hulu/etc..
13:25 <@wilpig>   out of hte gate it was supporting youtube, hulu, netflix
13:25 <@wilpig> maybe amazon prime?
13:26 <@wilpig> trying out the miiverse update on the 3ds
13:27 <@oddball> Ah, thought it required a phone or computer to use period.
13:32 < Synx|hm_> i just shit so much blood i could see the tint in the water
13:36 <@Shadow404> you might want to see a doctor about that
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13:54 <@Dolemite> wilpig: I do
13:55 <@Dolemite> Amazon Prime doesn't work, yet - you can cast any Chrome browser tab, but the Amazon Prime streaming app does something with sound that makes it not compatible
13:55 <@Dolemite> Chromecast supports Google Play Music/Video, YouTube, Netflix, Hulu Plus, HBO Go
13:55 <@opticron> and some new stuff as of todayish
13:56 <@Dolemite> yeah
13:56 <@Dolemite> So there's the reason for me to run Plex at home
13:56 <@opticron> oddball, it's not even close to being a wireless HDMI cable (though some newly available apps are bringing it close to that)
13:56 <@Dolemite> BubbleUPnP has written support with the SDK, but I guess they aren't being allowed out of the "limited beta" gate
13:57 <@opticron> the avia app also supports chromecast now
13:57 <@opticron> which can do dlna streaming stuff
13:57 <@Dolemite> Never heard of it before now
13:57 <@Dolemite> ah
13:57 <@opticron> and from local storage
13:59 <@oddball> opticron: That, sadly, makes me want it less.
13:59 <@opticron> bah humbug, the avia app costs money for the chromecast addon
13:59 <@Dolemite> Nice, but that sucks.  I already paid for the BubbleUPnP app because it's what I use with my DLNA server already.
13:59 < Synx|hm_> Shadow404: actually i am a bit concerned
14:00 <@wilpig> Dolemite: it's currently only for plex pass people but it will comeout of beta soon enough
14:01 <@Dolemite> bleh
14:01 <@Dolemite> So by the time they make it available for everybody, the BubbleUPnP support may be out.
14:02 <@Dolemite> I might try the Avia app
14:03 <@opticron> the chromecast would have been far less of a disappointment if they had released the SDK with the device
14:03 <@wilpig> from the descriptions in that article that brimstone linked several of the testers are complaining that the plex app is just currently crashing
14:03 <@wilpig> so waiting a bit might be prudent anyhow
14:05 <@Shadow404> plex is still buggy on android too
14:05 <@Shadow404> googletv crashes on it at least once or twice while browsing the movie titles, or all the titles wont load the scrolling just stops
14:06 <@wilpig> that could be from teh gigantic list of movies I have too
14:07 <@Shadow404> maybe....i figured it could be b/w too, so i hooked up a network cable straight to the media player, same behavoir
14:07 <@Shadow404> works fine on the phone app
14:37 <@wilpig> Shadow404: shouldn't you be at work?
14:37 <@Mirage> These are great...though the online price is a bit high.  Just picked some up for wrapping xmas gifts..=)  http://www.prankpack.com/
14:37 < GateKeeper> Title: Prank Pack - Genuine Fake Gift Boxes (at www.prankpack.com)
14:38 <@wilpig> lol   MATERIALS: Made of American cardboard and ink.
14:39 <@wilpig> I ordered in a few christmas cards from cyanide and happiness earlier
14:46 <@Dolemite> Ha!  The As Seen On TV place in Sevierville carries those PrankPacks!
14:46 <@Dolemite> I can pick up one this weekend if we go that way
14:47 < Synx|hm_> This is exactly the type of fear mongering we need to avoid with regard to the NSA/Gov't fourth ammendment issues... http://youtu.be/CP1j04_X4Oo
14:47 < GateKeeper> Title: How to see what government agency is spying on your phone - YouTube (at youtu.be)
14:50 <@Shadow404> wilpig: dance!
14:51 < Synx|hm_> opticron: what apps are making chromecast more like a wifi hdmi dongle? that is really the only use i would have for it
14:54 <@wilpig> why am I dancing?
14:54 <@opticron> Synx|hm_, avia is out now and has chromecast support
14:55 <@opticron> but you have to pay to add it (in-app payment)
14:56 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm_: There's also the ability to cast a Chrome tab
14:56 < Synx|hm_> really i just want a wifi hdmi cable ha
14:57 <@Dolemite> This ain't it
14:57 < Synx|hm_> chrome cast is neat but i never watch youtube etc on my tv and i dont surf on it
14:57 <@Shadow404> wilpig: i thnought you were referring to my steam chat
14:57 < Synx|hm_> probably not for me though i really want a reason to buy one
14:57 <@Dolemite> We use the hell out of ours for Netflix
14:57 <@wilpig> not signed into steam atm
14:57 <@Shadow404> ah, your puter is, figured it was your mobile
14:57 < Synx|hm_> Dolemite: ive got netflix, amazon vod, hulu plus on my ps3
14:58 < Synx|hm_> and use my Boxee to stream raw dvd/blueray plus HD tv shows and downloaded HD+DTS contect
14:58 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm_: I have 4 people in the house that want to watch different things.
15:00 < Synx|hm_> :)
15:00 < Synx|hm_> i only have TV and the wife controls it unless there is a hockey game on
15:02 < Synx|hm_> s/TV/one TV
15:03 <@Dolemite> My son wants to play the XBox, my daughter wants to watch Netflix, my wife wants to watch Hallmark Made for TV movies, and I want to watch borderline porn, aka Lost Girl
15:04 <@Dolemite> Once they get the UPnP support released (and I'll try Avia to see if that does it for me) then it will give me more options.  Frankly, I can turn off the Windows Media Center PC that I have hooked up in the living room, because I only have it for Netflix and local media playback.
15:05 <@Dolemite> That'll save a decent amount of energy
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15:12 < Synx|hm_> Dolemite: cool
15:13 < Synx|hm_> I'd like to setup a 1u rack system in another room using HDMI over Ethernet for TV, Movies, DVR, etc but i'm just not willing to drop any coin right now as what i have works fine it just takes a few more steps to switch from boxee to ps3 when required
15:13 < Synx|hm_> my only HUGE complaint is how i have to bootleg hockey gaves via serviio right now but thats more because i'm too cheap to pay for cable
15:14 < Synx|hm_> that and Boxee really blows for auto updating the repo, but it takes what ever i toss at it file format wise so i'll deal
15:15 < Synx|hm_> and beacuse boxee is defunct i dont get livetv dongle tv guide data anymore :(
15:16 <@brimstone> have you tried the boxee tv/
15:16 <@brimstone> ?
15:23 < Synx|hm_> que? i have the live tv dongle in my boxee
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15:45 <@wilpig> interesting.  the web interface of plex you can filter by quality on the movies but not tv shows
15:47 <@brimstone> can you browse based on directories in plex?
15:47 <@brimstone> as in, "show me everything in /media/poop/new" ?
15:48 <@wilpig> yeah but it does it weird
15:49 <@wilpig> http://plex.wilpig.org:32400/web/index.html#!/servers/17d3b7fc78dc5fc851e60e988d761dc981790949/sections/4/recentlyAdded
15:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Plex/Web (at plex.wilpig.org:32400)
15:49 <@wilpig> it encodes the directories in an odd way
15:51 <@Shadow404> yeah, you'll want to stay away from that poop directory
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16:14 < RangerZ>  wtf skype... I'm not even chatting with anyone and you use 120mb of ram
16:16 <@wilpig> skype does love ram
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16:22 < aestetix> what's new pussycat
16:24 < aestetix> what a day
16:24 < aestetix> like 50 emails, and all of them are from a mailing list where everyone is wrong
16:30 <@rattle> I just had a "wow, I'm a bureaucrat" moment.
16:30 <@Catonic> aaarg
16:30 < aestetix> ugh
16:30 <@Catonic> I'm tempted to fire up fetchmail and do this a different way.
16:30 <@Catonic> rattle: how so?
16:31 < aestetix> three hours with gdb only to discover the code has a bug specific to Windows 32-bit libraries
16:31 <@rattle> I found myself super excited to finally acquire a speaker/mic for use on conference calls that's as good as a high end Polycom, that works with Windows and Mac via USB, as well as phones with Bluetooth..
16:31 <@rattle> http://www.amazon.com/Jabra-SPEAK-510-Bluetooth-Softphone/dp/B00AQUO5RI
16:31 < aestetix> rattle: so you say a lot and do nothing?
16:31 <@rattle> No, I do tons of shit.
16:31 <@rattle> Actually..
16:34 <@rattle> This thing fucking rocks.  Now when I have a bunch of people on my office on a call, we will no longer have to huddle around the phone on my desk.  The bureaucrat in me is happy about that.
16:35 < aestetix> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/we-cannot-trust-intel-and-vias-chip-based-crypto-freebsd-developers-say/
16:35 < GateKeeper> Title: “We cannot trust” Intel and Via’s chip-based crypto, FreeBSD developers say | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
16:35 < aestetix> Snowden: the gift that keeps on giving
16:35 < aestetix> I wonder what the 2013 enrollment numbers for the NSA look like
16:36 <@rattle> Did you see the Sibel Edmonds piece?  http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/12/08/checkbook-journalism-leaking-to-the-highest-bidders/
16:36 < aestetix> Looking
16:36 < aestetix> rattle: so, what's the mood about Snowden in DC?
16:37 <@rattle> The Snowden shit went down after I left DC.  I did have a discussion with Mullen and Podesta about it though the weekend it went down..
16:38 <@rattle> bbl
16:38 < aestetix> Oh that's right, you're in boston or something now?
16:39 <@Catonic> what? rattle moved north?
16:41 <@rattle> Yeah.  I moved up to the Boston area when I left CAP.
16:41 <@Catonic> My telephone headset: http://www.sportys.com/PilotShop/product/9015
16:41 < GateKeeper> Title: David Clark H10-13S Headset (Stereo) - Sporty's Pilot Shop (at www.sportys.com)
16:42 <@Catonic> I just beat my chest and tell everyone I'm out for a jaunt in the corporate/my helicopter.
16:42 <@Catonic> LOL... I amuse myself too much these days.
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16:43 <@Catonic> rattle: cool beans man. I look back on it now and I'm glad I got to explore NYC with you and Decius.
16:43 <@Catonic> My preferred method today is a bicycle... Just fast enough to make things a blur, but not too fast so that you still see everything around you.
16:44 < aestetix> rattle: fwiw, I have a *very* mixed opinion about Snowden.
16:44 <@Catonic> How's the Jersey Guy liking Baaahstan? You settle close to Cambridge? Running in the smart-kid circles?
16:44 <@Catonic> aestetix: who doesn't?
16:45 < aestetix> Catonic: occupy oakland :p
16:45 <@Catonic> OTOH, he illustrated the issue with fusion databases... which is that by thier nature, many people have broad access granted to them.
16:47 <@Catonic> and the trust of individuals with access... has been documented in the history of spies, intelligence, and counter-intelligence.
16:47 < aestetix> yep
16:47 < aestetix> Catonic: one of the big issues I have with Snowden
16:47 <@Catonic> hey, if you had 0day on android... how much CPU power would that give you, distributed?
16:47 < aestetix> I think there's a general agreement that we have a national security apparatus that is way too big
16:48 < aestetix> But instead of letting us figure out a logical and organic way to shrink it, like I want o believe Obama was trying to do
16:48 < aestetix> Snowden just gave the free market capitalists a way to rip it and the rest of the federal government apart
16:48 < aestetix> Which is why I point out to people that he is a registered libertarian
16:48 <@Catonic> corrot and stick
16:49 <@Catonic> yeah, futurecrime is here, and that makes some people wet.
16:49 < aestetix> btw
16:49 < aestetix> and this is for rattle too
16:49 <@Catonic> 451F, Big Brother...
16:50 < aestetix> did you know the guy behind the Oakland Domain Awareness center was also behind the NYC surveillance and stop and frisk?
16:50 <@Catonic> hell, I went "Animal Farm" on a rights group after they missed the point and the pigs had slipped in
16:50 <@Catonic> unsurprising
16:50 <@rattle> Anyway, the only real high-level discussion I had regarding Snowden was with Podesta and Mullen (at separate meetings).  At the time it was the week after things started, so the topic of discussions were almost entirely about aspects of this that relate to China, and Snowden being in HK.
16:51 <@Catonic> as I pointed out the other night, the police departments are being militarized because they've been declared immune for their actions (pretty much all of them, not just those performed under Color Of Law).
16:52 <@Catonic> The National Guard got a bad rap after Kent State, so the government is hesitant to use military to beat the populace into submission.
16:52 <@rattle> And of that, it was really focused on how this related to the mirror imaging issues in US-Sino relations..  And that this was really going to cause us to lose control of the narrative regarding Chinese cyber espionage operations?  Which it totally has...
16:53 < aestetix> rattle: yeah. There was an article about that actually.
16:53 <@rattle> Link?
16:53 <@Catonic> I start looking at this more from a philisophical perspective... we have a right to redress the government... but what rights to we have to protest (for redress) against others? Civil disobedience is an unknown concept in law.
16:53 < aestetix> Because IIRC this hit right as Obama was trying to have a discussion with China about that
16:53 < aestetix> I'd have to dig it up
16:53 <@Shadow404> la viva revolition
16:53 <@rattle> Since moving up to Boston, I'm not included in as much of the foreign policy dialog as I was..
16:54 <@Catonic> Both parties are "big government" now... because as long as "big government" is around starting wars, "big contractor" is getting paid.
16:54 <@rattle> aestetix: Yes, the timing of it all, and some of the things that went down are HIGHLY auspicious.
16:54 < aestetix> http://mag.newsweek.com/2013/11/01/edward-snowden-escalated-cyber-war.html#.UnR1EhzE4zk.twitter
16:54 < GateKeeper> Title: How Edward Snowden Escalated Cyber War - Newsweek (at mag.newsweek.com)
16:54 < aestetix> I think that's it
16:55 <@rattle> Yeah, that one.
16:55 <@rattle> I know that one.
16:55 <@Catonic> I think the dirty tricks guys have evolved into entire departments with cover stories "in the interest of national security"...
16:55 <@Catonic> if it's bad for national security to uncover crimes committed... then something is wrong with national security
16:56 < aestetix> rattle: my general opinion on this is that I suspect Snowden was positioned by people who have been trying to revert the New Deal. Meaning this is a masterstroke move in a very long political game.
16:56 <@Catonic> So... China understands open source. ;)
16:57 <@rattle> That's a bit of a stretch.
16:57 < aestetix> rattle: well, it would take me quite a while to fully elaborate on what I mean :p
16:57 <@rattle> China understands just about anything to the degree they will work one half of it in their own interests.
16:57 <@Catonic> wow... that's just insane
16:57 <@wilpig> Home!  but first I shoudl probably goto lowes
16:57 < aestetix> As almost every word I just said is a metaphor :p
16:57 <@wilpig> later bitches
16:58 <@rattle> aestetix: I have a feeling I'm gonna have some trouble applying occam's razor to that..
16:58 <@Catonic> so now what used to be nation vs nation computer espionage turns into nations espionage vs anyone else, corporate or not...
16:58 < aestetix> rattle: but yeah, I really enjoyed that article
16:58 <@Catonic> so now corporations have to evolve protected networks like the government did... to keep rogue governments out of control of the printing presses..
16:59 <@rattle> I do wonder if Snowden has be influenced by MSS or FSB.  There's some fishy shit that's hard to rationalize.
16:59 <@Catonic> I'm impressed, in a macabre sort of way...
16:59 < aestetix> I mean, there's a general agreement that the federal government needs to shrink down. There's very little agreement on how to do it.
16:59 <@Catonic> you don't have to infiltrate the organization; you just change the page on the way to the press.
16:59 <@Catonic> but I can see how a diplomatic 'hacking war' could be disastrous in general.
16:59 <@rattle> If he was purely interested in transparency into the dirty world of espionage, and particularly how it impacts the rights of individuals..  The information released wouldn't be so damn selectively picked to make the US and only the US look bad.
17:00 < aestetix> Well, everyone but California thinks that, fucking berkeley hippies who think the government should do everything for them
17:00 < aestetix> rattle: do you know if he approached any congress or senators before leaking to greenwald?
17:00 <@rattle> It's like the stuff being released is being strategically picked to cause the most FP problems between the US and allies.
17:00 <@Catonic> aestetix: you've been there for a while... how does that philosophy relate to BSD Unix?
17:00 <@rattle> aestetix: I've heard nothing indicating he did.
17:01 < aestetix> rattle: and there goes my opinion of him.
17:01 < aestetix> One of my biggest heros is Mike Gravel :)
17:01 < aestetix> (he read the pentagon papers into the congressional record)
17:02 < aestetix> Which says a lot about Snowden, because there are several senators who have openly voiced concerns about the NSA, and would probably have loved the chance to be Gravel 2.0
17:03 <@rattle> There are lots of people he could have gone to.
17:03 <@rattle> I seriously question his motives.
17:03 < aestetix> Wyden and Issa come to mind.
17:03 <@rattle> I'm getting a huge kick out of hearing all the press coverage today of Podesta.
17:03 < aestetix> I have not looked at that yet
17:04 < aestetix> ugh. Reading this Johnson biography is almost making me want to move back to the DC area
17:04 <@rattle> JDP's taking over as POTUS council.
17:04 < aestetix> Oh wow.
17:04 <@rattle> Not at all shocking.  Just cool.
17:06 <@rattle> JDP is one of the most powerful people in the United States that almost no one knows.  The guy is fucking amazing.
17:09 < aestetix> rattle: what if Snowden had leaked the FISA order and stopped there?
17:11 <@rattle> He would have done a lot for a little.
17:13 <@rattle> The point he really "lost me" was when he started leaking the stuff about spying on EU members.  That's shit that everyone (who works in this space) already know goes on.  No doubt about it.  That's basically what spies _do_.  And the only rational motivation for it is to cause diplomatic problems for the US.
17:13 <@rattle> We had EU government officials fawning outrage when their intelligence services do the same shit, and they damn well know everyone's doing it.
17:15 <@rattle> It's not a clear cut case to me of good and bad?  I don't see the world that way.  I do question Snowden's motives..  But I am glad some of this stuff has been exposed.
17:17 < aestetix> So wait, I'm confused.
17:17 < aestetix> Are you with us or with the terrorists?
17:19 < aestetix> hmm
17:19 < aestetix> There's a young whippersnapper in another irc channel calling me old
17:20 < aestetix> This feels painfully ironic.
17:20 <@rattle> This isn't simply stuff.  There's no way to view it in black and white terms.  I realize my comments are confusing.  The reality of global politics is confusing.
17:21 <@rattle> I can tell you would he could do to make me happy though..
17:22 <@rattle> After he's released the stuff about all the bad things the US does..  Pull together all the docs regarding the bad things everyone else does, redact everything he can that would give away our sources and methods for knowing it..  Then drop it as he boards a plane back to the US to stand trial.
17:23 <@rattle> If he wants to be a bad ass hero whistleblower, walk the walk.
17:23 < aestetix> well like I said
17:23 <@rattle> In my opinion, Manning got a fair trial.  He's going to do some serious time..  But that's the ropes.  That's the downside of civil disobedience.
17:24 < aestetix> He could have called a press conference, stood on the steps of the Lincoln memorial, and leaked the FISA order to the press.
17:24 < aestetix> I'd have a really hard time naysaying him if he did that.
17:25 <@rattle> That would have certainly not been as damaging to USG interests as what's been happening, while blowing the whistle..  But I will acknowledge the argument that it was necessary to leak more.  And that leaking over some time helps give it a long time in the spotlight.
17:25 <@rattle> As much as I may not like some of the people who make that argument, the argument itself has some validity.
17:25 < aestetix> Well sure.
17:26 < aestetix> So what you do is take a few critical leaks, hand them off to the press, and get them to be leaked while you're in custody for the initial leak.
17:26 <@rattle> That would be one way to do it.
17:26 <@rattle> But that's easy for us to say sitting here in an IRC channel.
17:26 < aestetix> heh
17:26 <@rattle> In reality, his choices were probably not that simple.
17:27 < aestetix> Well, given that I will probably never see classified data unless everyone else in the world also sees it, that's the best I can do ;)
17:27 <@rattle> . . . this being me trying to maintain empathy with both sides of an issue.
17:28 <@rattle> But it does rub me wrong that he's trying to have his cake and eat it too.
17:28 <@rattle> And in order to eat that cake..  He can't lay the smack down on entities that can come after him, which right now easily includes Russia and China.
17:29 <@rattle> Hence, only a portion of the larger story is out there.
17:29 <@rattle> And I'd be very shocked if a good chunk of that story doesn't exist in that 50,000 documents he claims to have exfiltrated.
17:30 < aestetix> Well
17:30 <@Corydon76-work> rattle: Snowden claims he didn't have any of the leaks left when he left Hong Kong
17:30 < aestetix> Isn't that more on Greenwald and others now?
17:30 <@rattle> @GeorgeHWBush just made his twitter debut.
17:30 <@Corydon76-work> That is, everything has already been leaked
17:30 <@rattle> Corydon76-work: He put them in the hands of third-parties.
17:31 <@rattle> To third-parties who are doing his will.
17:31 <@rattle> And most likely, to a larger extent, their own.
17:32 <@rattle> One would assume the third-parties in question, or at least one of them, would do what he told them to.
17:32 <@Corydon76-work> Well, I'm sure in the treasure trove of information, there's just too much for journalists to look at without him saying "Look there" to help pull out information in a timely manner
17:32 <@rattle> Either way, I'd like to see him return to the US and receive a fair trial.
17:32 <@rattle> He's a household name now.  There's no way he's going to be "disappeared" or something.
17:33 <@rattle> More risk of that staying in a foreign country.
17:33 <@rattle> Also, keep in mind he says he doesn't retain access to any of that information.  That doesn't mean it's true.
17:33 < aestetix> rattle: a foreign country without an extradition treaty with the US.
17:34 <@rattle> I wouldn't discount the possibility he's got an encrypted copy somewhere that only be knows the decryption key for, in addition to whatever he passed to third-parties.
17:34 <@rattle> aestetix: Seriously, if POTUS declared one way he wanted Snowden dead, he would be dead.  Let's be realistic about this.
17:35 <@rattle> Not that doing such a thing would be a wise decision..
17:35 <@Corydon76-work> rattle: I'm not convinced that the head of the NSA doesn't want him dead
17:35 <@Corydon76-work> and that's definitely within his power to send agents to do
17:36 <@rattle> But I'd be kind of shocked if being assassinated isn't among Snowden's reasons for not releasing anything other than information damaging to the US and immediate interests.
17:36 <@rattle> Actually, no.  Alexander doesn't have that kind of power.
17:36 <@Corydon76-work> I think it's likely that he has a dead man's switch, yes
17:37 <@rattle> Anything like that starting with DIRNSA would require JSC, SECDEF, and POTUS to sign off.  There is intact strict chain of command in the military..
17:37 <@Corydon76-work> and making security officials aware that he has a dead man's switch can equally prevent an assassination from being considered
17:38 <@rattle> Not to mention all those that would have visibility and veto power of sorts..  Like the NSC principals...
17:39 <@rattle> And of course a deadman is an issue.
17:39 < aestetix> btw
17:39 < aestetix> this seems a good time to remind everyone that ticket sales for HOPE X start tomorrow
17:39 <@rattle> Regardless, I'd like to see him return to the US and stand trial.  Want to be a badass whistleblower revolutionary?  Walk the walk.
17:39 < aestetix> Another discounted round
17:40 <@Corydon76-work> A deadman's switch may be even reason to suspect that US agents are assigned to protect him even in exile
17:40 <@rattle> What time?  How fast are they likely to sell out?
17:40 < aestetix> well, the last round sold out in under a minute
17:40 < aestetix> http://x.hope.net/
17:40 < GateKeeper> Title: HOPE X (at x.hope.net)
17:40 < aestetix> rattle: HOPE has actually seen a major influx in the last few years, I think partly because of Wikileaks and Occupy
17:41 <@rattle> I doubt that Putin would knowing allow a US protection force to operate in Russia.  And it would be very hard to have any kind of effective protection detail under the radar of Russian security services.  Those guys have a reputation for being good.
17:41 <@Corydon76-work> Last thing you want is for some independent person to launch an attack and cause that trigger
17:41 < aestetix> As in, I think we had like 1700 presales in 2012, which is astonishing given that the venue only holds like 2500
17:41 < aestetix> And that was before Snowden.
17:42 <@rattle> I'm sure Snowden is one of the more prominent chess pieces on the US/Russia board.  Too bad he's a pawn.
17:42 < aestetix> actually I'm going to say the venue holds 2600 just for lulz
17:43 <@rattle> Put a covert protection detail on Snowden would be far too risky.  They could whack him, make it look like the protection detail was a assassination squad, and cause a whole different kind of incident.  Way to much potential liability to manage.
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17:46 <@rattle> Russia granted him a year of asylum.  He's got no passport.  This summer, something's gonna happen one way or the other..
17:47 <@Corydon76-work> I'm betting plastic surgery and a new identity
17:49 <@rattle> I'm not sure what to expect.
17:50 <@Corydon76-work> I doubt he's going to willingly return for trial in the US unless and until serious reforms come out of Congress.
17:50 <@rattle> I've got a few theories..
17:50 <@Corydon76-work> On the run, he continues to raise the spectre of more releases.  In prison, people will forget about him
17:51 <@rattle> Most of them hinge around the idea that coming back to the US to stand trial is his final option to keep the whole thing in the press.
17:51 <@rattle> One thing that I think is weird, is that it feels like they've run out of stuff with real impact to most people to release..
17:51 <@rattle> Like the WoW thing...
17:51 <@Corydon76-work> The last time you heard anything about Manning was right after the trial.  Never again will her name be spoken in the news.
17:52 <@rattle> One one level, it really singles out the absurdity or some of the monitoring that goes on.
17:52 <@rattle> On the other, it was well know the IC was obsessed with MMORPGs for awhile.
17:53 <@rattle> There was stuff in the unclass space about that even.  You can dig up articles about the IC fretting over how they monitor things like SecondLife way before any of the Snowden leaks.
17:53 <@rattle> So was that something TeamSnowden just picked strategically to go public with now because it was a way to engage a different group of people with the issue?
17:54 <@Corydon76-work> One thing we know for sure, though, is that we will be simultaneously impressed and horrified at the method of communication the next round of attackers will use
17:54 <@rattle> Or are they circling the barrel for things they can use that benefit their strategy?
17:55 <@Corydon76-work> We cannot monitor everything.  Pigeons aren't tappable.
17:57 <@Corydon76-work> and while we try to tap everything, we're destroying the free and open society, which was the whole point of terrorism:  to destroy our way of life.
17:58 <@wilpig> They're tappable but generally if your dick is that small you have bigger problems than pigeon fucking
17:59 <@Corydon76-work> The reaction that completely defeats terrorism is for everybody to go out and do exactly the same routine the day after an attack, as though nothing happened.
18:00 <@Corydon76-work> Not for us to disrupt even more people's lives, because we have a slim chance of disrupting their operations.
18:03 <@Corydon76-work> Anyway.  NLUG is tonight.
18:06 <@rattle> Keep in mind, the mindset that's really behind this stuff is "record it all, we might need it later" not "let's monitor everything everyone says".
18:07 <@rattle> So if you're crafting arguments against the "monitor everything everyone says" mindset, they will just fall on deaf ears because that's not what anyone's doing.
18:07 <@rattle> I think it's most constructive to make arguments saying we need strong controls and laws governing how information recorded can be used.
18:08 <@rattle> I think it's nearly impossible to construct any controls preventing recording information that could be used to compromise privacy and civil liberties.
18:08 <@rattle> That's a zero sum game.
18:08 <@rattle> Information is recorded everywhere, all the time, mostly by private entities.  And when pulled together, it's just as potent as anything NSA can collect.
18:09 <@rattle> What we need are protections for the individual.
18:09 <@rattle> And controls within government for what they can do with whatever troves of information they have.
18:09 <@rattle> And all of it needs to be based on the rule of law.
18:14 < aestetix> Well
18:14 < aestetix> rattle: then you have the question of legal vs constitutional
18:14 < aestetix> Which the FISA court is really, really begging right now
18:15 < aestetix> That said, IMHO the actual issue with Snowden is that the leaks have basically severed trust between the people and the representatives
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18:34 <@wilpig> Dagmar: ping
18:38 < aestetix> uhhhh
18:38 < aestetix> does AWS support windows 7?
18:40 <@Dagmar> Pong.
19:04 < aestetix> god
19:04 < aestetix> fucking dll files
19:05 < aestetix> Making C build in windows is sort of like trying to teach calculus to a baby born with brick in its head
19:07 < aestetix> or a flipper baby
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19:21 <@Catonic> LOL
19:30 <@wilpig> aestetix: you shouldn't speak of ware when he isn't around to defend himself
19:31 <@Catonic> LOL
19:33 <@Catonic> does ware's species even have feelings?
19:41 < aestetix> hahaha
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20:07 < aestetix> penis
20:11 <@Catonic> I think I liked you better when you didn't talk about dick.
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20:16 < aestetix> do you prefer vagina?
20:17 <@Catonic> I'd prefer you buy a dictionary and learn some words, yo.
20:23 < upthedose> evening
20:24 <@Catonic> evenin
20:25 < upthedose> hows it going Catonic
20:30 < upthedose> brb
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21:19 < upthedose> how goes that project SuMo_D
21:21 <@SuMo_D> upthedose today was unexpectedly busy... so it got put on the back burner... I am pretty sure I know how it should work, but going to wait till I can get my EE friend to help me... cause if I do it wrong it'll blow up... and that would be bad
21:21 <@SuMo_D> As much as I love soldering... 625 LEDs + the 100 odd other components was a lot
21:21 <@SuMo_D> brb
21:21 < upthedose> cool deal im just interested in how it comes out
21:21 < upthedose> kk
21:21 <@SuMo_D> It SHALL RULE
21:22 <@SuMo_D> one way or the other ;
21:22 <@SuMo_D> ;)
21:22 < spaceB0x> SuMo_D out of curiosity....what are you working on?
21:23 < spaceB0x> that requires 625 LEDs
21:23 < upthedose> playing around with a new Terminal emulator to me. very nice lots of features
21:31 <@Dagmar> Oh god.  Carolers.
21:31 <@Dagmar> Where is my sword?
21:31 < spaceB0x> lol
21:31 < spaceB0x> please tell me they are singing directly to you
21:32 <@Dagmar> I hope not
21:32 <@Dagmar> Some of them are clearly stone deaf
21:32 < upthedose> dont have to worry about carolers here just banjo players
21:33 <@Dagmar> I never use the front part of my apartment.  It's dark there.  They have no way of knowing if I'm home or not
21:33 < spaceB0x> all the better for a surprise attach
21:33 < spaceB0x> *attack
21:36 < spaceB0x> This show Rick and Morty is hilarious.
21:37 < spaceB0x> ive only watched a couple episodes so far but I am pleased
21:44 <@SuMo_D> spaceB0x trying to build this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15CIEL1yu3E
21:44 < GateKeeper> Title: Peggy2 Webcam live stream - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:47 < NotLarry> +1 for banjo players upthedose...
21:48 < NotLarry> er, for the banjo players joke.
21:48 < spaceB0x> SuMo_D....that is awesome.
21:48 < upthedose> too funny
21:50 < upthedose> NotLarry, i believe we met years ago at nlug could be wrong though
21:52 <@Dagmar> Clearly I have been too soft on the people of Animal Crossing
21:52 <@Dagmar> I am the ruler of this land, and I dictated that there should be automatic flower watering.
21:52 <@Dagmar> I started the thing up a few minutes ago, a third of my flowers are dead.
21:52 <@Dagmar> There will be repercussions.
21:54 <@SuMo_D> yeah spaceB0x it shall be :) - I wanted to try to have it done for gaget fest tomorrow... and could probably do it... but if I do it wrong, I'll make the board catch on fire... soooooo
21:54 <@SuMo_D> going to wait to do it with a friend who can double check my work (or that I can blame if it goes wrong)
21:57 < spaceB0x> SuM0_D I don't blame you one bit. I have made plenty of soldering mistakes and fried many ICs heh heh
21:59 <@SuMo_D> spaceB0x the Peggy2 is awesome and works great, its just the external arduino that you need to wire into it + the Peggy both need to be set to input... or they can cross data streams and yeah... bad...
21:59 <@SuMo_D> I am almost positive I know how to do that, but since I'm an intrepid noob... yeah... need an EE jedi to double check... really really don't want to fry my peggy
22:00 <@SuMo_D> she's too cute for that
22:00 <@SuMo_D> I think I'll just do some animations for tomorrow cause... I'm tired and I need to be up earlish for the fest
22:00 < spaceB0x> Oh I see haha. I could definitely use an EE jedi from time to time
22:00 < spaceB0x> best of luck!
22:01 <@SuMo_D> :) thx!
22:01 <@SuMo_D> I might have to settle for a Comp sci guy :P
22:02 <@SuMo_D> I just got the 16x32 RGB LED project with the kids group I teach in done, so yeah... just gotta keep with it... MORE LIGHTS MORE LIGHTS!
22:03 < spaceB0x> haha when in doubt...more LEDs :)
22:12 <@SuMo_D> exactly
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22:26 <@Dagmar> dafuq is this Lost Girl turned into?
22:26 <@Dagmar> So much fanservice
22:37 <@Catonic> denied
22:58 <@oddball> Dagmar: Huh?  I didn't think there was much fanservice in the latest episode.  Well... anymore than usual.
23:14 < Synx|hm_> i want to find the guy who wired up the 3way switches in my house and punch him in the fuck DICK
23:14 < Synx|hm_> this shit makes ZERO fucking sense
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23:33 <@Catonic> LOL
23:34 <@Catonic> Synx|hm_: how ... is that possible? How can you fuck up three-way lights?
23:39 < SuMo_D_> why why why does arduino not want to open... and things don't want to open from code bender... some days... drag
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23:45 <@Catonic> dude, pi it.
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23:49 < Synx|hm_> Catonic: i dont have the slightest clue how they did it but there is something fucking odd going on here
23:50 < Synx|hm_> i think they wired one switch to the fan, then the other to the fan and swapped around the common
23:50 < Synx|hm_> but i cant be sure
23:50 < Synx|hm_> what i need to do, and i dont have the desire/time is unwire the entire fucking thing and trace the lines with a fox and hound
23:54 <@Catonic> So what happens?
23:58 < Synx|hm_> im trying to wire in a timer
23:58 < Synx|hm_> Intermatic ST01
23:58 < Synx|hm_> and their diagram will not fucking work
23:59 < Synx|hm_> they use a sense wire instead of a TRUE 3 wire setup, and have you rewire the remote switch so that it sends a signal down the sense wire but that wire doesn't cary load to the light
23:59 < Synx|hm_> then they see the voltage and switch on the circuit
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