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00:30 <@Dagmar> Catonic;
00:31 <@Dagmar> No, it's called a fucking short circuit.  Seriously.
00:31 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3j6rOp0lvY
00:31 <@Dagmar> The exact thing they were talking about was going on
00:32 < GateKeeper> Title: MK808 Quick Fix Wifi Antenna Mod - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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00:44 < RangerZ2> glad to see a grace hopper bday google doole
00:44 < RangerZ2> doodle*
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00:49 < aestetix> penis
00:56 <@Catonic> hedley lamar
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07:29 <@Shadow404> drippy taco
07:29 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/dec/09/nsa-spies-online-games-world-warcraft-second-life?CMP=twt_gu
07:29 < GateKeeper> Title: Revealed: spy agencies' covert push to infiltrate virtual world of online games | World news | theguardian.com (at www.theguardian.com)
07:29 < aestetix> this is so absurd it's funny
07:29 <@Shadow404> it just gets worse and worse
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07:29 <@Shadow404> are they actively playing the games to interact? or they just collecting account info?
07:29 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:30 <@Shadow404> whats up slrup blurb
07:30 < aestetix> "If properly exploited, games could produce vast amounts of intelligence, according to the the NSA document. They could be used as a window for hacking attacks, to build pictures of people's social networks through "buddylists and interaction", to make approaches by undercover agents, and to obtain target identifiers (such as profile photos), geolocation, and collection of communications."
07:30  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:31 <@Dolemite> Right, because anybody who is careful enough to leave no social networking footprint would throw all of that care out the door when it comes to assembling their Call of Duty 3 strike force.
07:32 <@Dolemite> Somebody at the NSA has been watching too much NCIS
07:32 < aestetix> I'm really not horrified at this one so much as giggling
07:33 <@Dolemite> That's pretty much my stance on it
07:33 <@Dolemite> Oh, shit.  aestetix and I agree on something.  I feel so dirty.
07:34 <@Dolemite> Well, if I'm already dirty
07:34  * Dolemite hugs aestetix
07:34 <@Dolemite> There.  Don't make it a habit.
07:35  * aestetix runs off to masturbate
07:36 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6873990
07:36 < GateKeeper> Title: The NSA is watching you via World of Warcraft | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com)
07:36 < aestetix> you guys should upvote that
07:36 < aestetix> so I can get karma points
07:37 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/dec/09/nsa-files-games-virtual-environments-paper-pdf
07:37 < GateKeeper> Title: NSA files: games and virtual environments paper | World news | theguardian.com (at www.theguardian.com)
07:37 < aestetix> there's the actual paper
07:40 <@Shadow404> what the crap...i was wondering why this one player was asking so much about you guys
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07:57 <@Shadow404> i did get a bunch of free lindens if i kept talking
08:32 <@wilpig> clearly not awake yet.  trying to rsync from irc
08:36 <@Shadow404> how'd that work out for you?
08:39 <@Dolemite> His filesystem is now full of dick jokes
08:40 <@Shadow404> dammit aestetix
08:40 <@Shadow404> we need that h.d. space for plex, not your dick jokes!
08:42 <@wilpig> I have plenty of room for plex
08:43 <@wilpig> I was just shuffling stuff around actually
09:15 <@wilpig> Dolemite: ping
09:17 <@Shadow404> is it me or are there less companies hiring telecommuters nowadays?
09:17 <@Dolemite> pong
09:18 <@Catonic> dong
09:18  * Catonic pulls aestetix's tampon out
09:18 <@Shadow404> kong
09:18 <@Shadow404> Catonic: that's a mental image that will haunt me for a while
09:18 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: nope, about the same as always
09:19 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: i have been hard pressed to find any telecommuting jobs in the circuit/service delivery side of the house for a while
09:19 <@Shadow404> i remember a few years ago, they were always a few to try for
09:20 <@Corydon76-work> I think most of the telecommuting jobs are things that don't need you to come in for regular re-supply
09:20 <@Shadow404> thats how i found british telecom until they started selling of their u.s. market
09:20 <@Shadow404> yeah, all i need for circuit delivery for the most part is just a laptop and voip system
09:20 <@Shadow404> i miss working at home full time
09:21 <@Corydon76-work> I work from home full time, and I was hired about a year ago, in the middle of a really crappy job market
09:21 <@Shadow404> i waste so much time, money and stress doing this job, when i can easily do this db management at home
09:21 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: but your voip skills are in huge demand
09:21 <@Shadow404> not to mention your exp
09:22 <@Corydon76-work> I'm not doing voip
09:23 <@Corydon76-work> Other than a fax server that mostly remains unmonitored
09:23 <@Catonic> Dagmar: I concur on the short issue.
09:23 <@Catonic> Corydon76-work: anyone ever write a 33.6 software modem?
09:27 <@Corydon76-work> Catonic: in terms of a fax, sure
09:28 <@Corydon76-work> If you're talking about a RAS for Linux, I don't know, offhand
09:47 <@Dolemite> aestetix: This just screams your name -> http://www.salon.com/2013/12/08/meet_the_worlds_most_famous_vaginal_knitter/
09:47 < GateKeeper> Title: Meet the worlds most famous vaginal knitter - Salon.com (at www.salon.com)
09:51 <@wilpig> that's gonna get messy during that month somewhere
09:54 <@Shadow404> depends on if there "snipped" or not.....
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10:08 <@benthemeek> I wonder what the story is behind this.. http://digg.com/video/quite-possibly-the-worst-college-students-ever
10:08 < GateKeeper> Title: Quite Possibly The Worst College Students Ever - Digg (at digg.com)
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10:53 < RangerZ> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/12/09/1319216/google-apple-facebook-twitter-microsoft-yahoo-form-alliance-against-nsa
10:53 < GateKeeper> Title: Google, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, Yahoo Form Alliance Against NSA - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org)
10:53 < RangerZ> interesting
10:55 <@Dagmar> Kind of expected.
10:55 <@Dagmar> There are *lots* of companies outside the US that have serious concerns about putting their data on a cloud when that cloud is under the control of a foreign government.
10:56 <@Dagmar> ...which is exactly the case.
10:56 <@Dagmar> You wouldn't host your shit in red China, and we're no better than them right now.
10:56 <@Dolemite> s/a foreign/any/
10:57 <@Dagmar> Nah, until it became obvious that this has been abused to the point of meaninglessness, at least if you were hosting shit in your *own* country, there were rules your gov't has to follow to get at your data.
10:58 <@Dagmar> Our gov'ts been dressing in 'actually naked' for too long now and someone's noticed.
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11:09 < RangerZ> yeah, but just because the companies are doing the same thing we expect, you can still think its good when they do the right thing
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11:53 <@wilpig> damn.  downloading from steam here at work averaging 17MB/s
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12:21 <@SuMo_D> have any of you guys heard of the internet police guy who pops up on Chinese internet cafes when people go to sites that aren't allowed? Does anybody know the proper name for him? Trying to find a graphic
12:22 <@Shadow404> nice
12:22 <@Shadow404> wilpig: steam in consistently 3mbs no matter what from home even though i get higher downloads from other sources
12:23 <@oddball> Shadow404: Might be set to that in the settings.
12:28 <@wilpig> SuMo_D: Chief Dickhead?
12:28 <@SuMo_D> I think that might be the Tiawanese translation
12:28 < Synx|hm> .
12:28 < Synx|hm> wtf
12:29 < Synx|hm> ping
12:29 <@Shadow404> ill have to check oddball
12:29 <@Shadow404> but thats a good theory
12:30 <@oddball> There's a place in settings where it asks you what your internet connection speed is.  It throttles itself based on that.
12:30 <@Shadow404> ah, ok, and of course, teamviewer isnt working cause i refused to upgrade the software last night
12:30 <@oddball> Be careful.  If you set it to "I has all teh speeds!" it will suck as fast as it can and other folks on the network might get grumpy with you.
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12:31 < Synx|hm> ping
12:31 <@Shadow404> oddball: ok, so just gf watching some reality tv singing show, i think ill be ok
12:32 <@oddball> As long as you're ok with a grumpy G/F because her streaming show just went to suck.
12:32 <@oddball> Well, the connection went to suck.  Sounds like the show went to suck from day 1.
12:34 <@Shadow404> yep, ill just shrug my shoulders, fumble with the networking closet and say, it must be a comcast issue
12:34 <@Shadow404> not like she'll run a packet scanner
12:34 <@Shadow404> well, unless were in bed....
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12:55 < Synx|hm> fucking ubuntu server
12:56 < Synx|hm> all of my servers have filled their /boot partitions and will nolonger correctly update packages
12:56 < Synx|hm> you would think they would put a fucking check in for that
13:06 <@Shadow404> Have you tried calling Dell?
13:07 < Synx|hm> oh good idea
13:08 < Synx|hm> ;)
13:08 <@Shadow404> "Dude, your getting a Dell"
13:08  * Shadow404 lights one up
13:12 <@critch> Synx|hm: maybe you shouldn't have been so stingy with the partition size. Or better yet, remove the old kernels you don't use anymore
13:12 < Synx|hm> critch: that is the key, i have to keep going in and deleting old kernels
13:12 < Synx|hm> and i was stingly because im on a ESX single SSD datastore that has limited space for many many VMs
13:13 <@critch> Well, there is little use to making /boot separate from / in such an environment
13:14 < Synx|hm> hindsight
13:14 <@critch> only reason I see for making /boot separate nowadays is to use a root fs that grub doesn't support
13:15 < Synx|hm> ya
13:15 < Synx|hm> grub2 supports ext4 now right?
13:16 < Synx|hm> shit i dont even know what fs i have on these servers
13:16 <@critch> http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html#Filesystems
13:16 < GateKeeper> Title: GNU GRUB Manual 2.00 (at www.gnu.org)
13:23 < aestetix> Dagmar: http://mail.idecosystem.org/pipermail/taxonomy_idecosystem.org/2013-December/000448.html
13:23 < GateKeeper> Title: [Taxonomy] Definition of pseudonym (at mail.idecosystem.org)
13:23 < aestetix> here's my response http://mail.idecosystem.org/pipermail/taxonomy_idecosystem.org/2013-December/000455.html
13:23 < GateKeeper> Title: [Taxonomy] Definition of pseudonym (at mail.idecosystem.org)
13:28 < Synx|hm> add to the list of shit i need to do to clean up my ESX host
13:29 < Synx|hm> now to figure out why once a month Plex goes fucking crazy and brings my VM to a crawl
13:30 <@Shadow404> are you running plex on a production machine?
13:30 <@wilpig> yes.  it's on my hosting box
13:30 < Synx|hm> Shadow404: this is a home ESX lab
13:31 < Synx|hm> i run all my home services on it though, file server, backup server, vpn services, firewall/router, dns, domain, cameras, etc
13:31 < Synx|hm> wilpig: your plex server ever do that?
13:31 < Synx|hm> wilpig: you running a linux plex server?
13:32 <@Shadow404> wilpig: i was talking about Synx|hm's box
13:33 <@oddball> Synx|hm: I'm running Plex on my linux box, and I'm not experiencing that.
13:33 < Synx|hm> hrm
13:33 <@oddball> Although, I'll admit that it's not hosting nearly the number of files that wilpig's is.
13:33 < Synx|hm> all i see is java in top
13:34 < Synx|hm> i have all my dvd's bluerays music and tv show collection being scanned over an nfs mount
13:34 <@wilpig> Synx|hm: yes I am.
13:34 < Synx|hm> oh shit its serviio right now
13:35 < Synx|hm> but last few times it was for sure plex
13:35 < Synx|hm> shrug ill just keep an eye on it
13:35 < Synx|hm> fucking hate serviio
13:36 <@wilpig> occasionally I will get a plex thread running a transcode that burns up a crapload of cpu time but that's about it
13:36 < Synx|hm> honestly i almost never use plex
13:36 <@wilpig> my family uses it way more than I do
13:36 < Synx|hm> i just left it running so my sister and wife can access to the streams
13:36 <@oddball> Although, looking at things, it does look like Plex is using ~2GB of RAM, so it might be an issue of my server having enough resources to not care.
13:36 <@wilpig> I watch the content but I have my wdtv hooked up directly to the content
13:37 < aestetix> Man.
13:37 < Synx|hm> i do all my inhome streaming over nfs to my media player and it supports all the formats i have my stuff in already
13:37 < Synx|hm> wilpig: same but boxee
13:37 <@wilpig> plex is for my friends and family, oh and shadow
13:37  * Shadow404 throws poo at wilpig 
13:37 < Synx|hm> wilpig: can i give out access to as many as i wish?
13:37 <@oddball> heh... but so was Firefox...
13:37 <@wilpig> yup
13:37 < Synx|hm> so far ive only tried with my sister
13:37 < Synx|hm> cool
13:38 < Synx|hm> the android app is quite nice
13:38 <@wilpig> I think there are like 16 people or so that have access to my system righ tnow
13:38 < Synx|hm> plays the tv show song when you navigate to it haha
13:38 <@wilpig> about 5 or 6 use it regularly
13:38 <@Shadow404> Synx|hm: what did you try with your sister?
13:38 <@wilpig> Synx|hm: I turned that theme music shit off
13:38 <@Shadow404> wilpig: theme music is neat on tv, but annoying on app
13:38 < aestetix> vagina
13:38 < Synx|hm> ya i just thought it was cool, makes for a refined feelign app
13:38 <@wilpig> hrmm virginia.edu
13:39 < aestetix> you know
13:39 <@wilpig> Synx|hm: if you want access to mine just send me your plex id
13:40 < aestetix> I am now convinced that if you take a group of people and add money into the group, everyone's IQ drops by 30 points
13:40 < Synx|hm> wilpig: i may do that thanks!
13:40 < aestetix> I do not understand why this happens
13:40 < aestetix> But it seems to be demonstrably repeatable
13:40 < Synx|hm> wilpig: whats your upstream conneciton look like? im stuck at 3mbit up so ive been hesitent to hand this out
13:40  * wilpig sticks his hand out to aestetix 
13:40 <@wilpig> 25Mb/s
13:40 < aestetix> wilpig: you can't have my bud light
13:40 < Synx|hm> oh shit
13:40 < Synx|hm> lucky
13:40 <@wilpig> I've got a 50/25 here
13:41 < Synx|hm> fucking shitting suddenlink consumer service here, 50/3
13:41 <@wilpig> or it might be a 75/25 I can't remember exactly
13:41 < Synx|hm> and i pay $70 a month for inet only
13:41 <@wilpig> I think i'm paying close to $100 for inet only with 5 statics
13:42 < Synx|hm> hrm i should consider calling and see if i can get any better server, my company foots my inet bill perhaps i could justify the upstream speed as i work from home
13:44 <@wilpig> jsut checked
13:44 <@wilpig> Payment Amount: $104.90
13:46 <@wilpig> yea I have the 50/25 service
13:47 <@wilpig> the basic service is $60 a month then $20 to make it the 50/25  then another 25 for the statics
13:47 <@wilpig> such a pain in the ass to read their bill
13:47 <@wilpig> worse than comcrap
13:48 <@Shadow404> who do you have now then?
13:49 < aestetix> probably roadrunner
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13:49 < Synx|hm> im about to go on a 1-2 month trip maybe now would be a worthwhile time to up my upstream
13:51 < Synx|hm> anyone unfortunante enough to have sprint and using googevoice integration?
13:51 <@wilpig> Shadow404: they call themselves optimium online but my understanding is that is like xfinity for comcast
13:51 <@wilpig> mediacomm is the parent, I think
13:51 <@wilpig> Synx|hm: sprint, yes.  wasn't dumb enough to integrate
13:52 < Synx|hm> ha thanks
13:52 < Synx|hm> the integration has been getting worse and worse over the past month
13:52 < Synx|hm> half of my calls show my sprint number the half my gv number
13:52 <@Shadow404> integration is always a bad idea
13:52  * Shadow404 points at wilpig 
13:52 < Synx|hm> textmessages goto some blackhole and i get about 80% of my calls
13:52 <@Shadow404> we get "un-desireables"
13:53 < Synx|hm> though in sprints defense i did make a phone call, complete with audio path, from 20,000 feet yesterday
13:53 < Synx|hm> so at least they have something going for them
13:56 < Synx|hm> holy shit $114 for 107/5 who comes up with these plans
13:56 <@Shadow404> some dickhead in the marketing dept
13:57 <@Shadow404> to meet some quota set by upper management
13:57 <@wilpig> 13:55 < aj> fkin ugg's $75 for a pair of gloves??? ridiculous http://shop.nordstrom.com/s/ugg-australia-flip-mittens/3484579?origin=category
13:57 <@wilpig> 13:55 < aj> I just need a cheap "flip" gloves so I can type
13:57 < GateKeeper> Title: UGG® Australia Flip Mittens | Nordstrom (at shop.nordstrom.com)
13:57 < Synx|hm> are there some fcc rules about cable network like phone?
13:58 < Synx|hm> just so odd that cable companies have such a strong hold on their areas
13:58 <@Shadow404> i still pay fcc charges for cable, so i guess so
13:58 <@wilpig> Synx|hm: the only people that use the upstream bandwidth are doing things on the internet that they shouldn't be.  they're pirates.  we don't support pirates
13:59 < Synx|hm> right
13:59 < Synx|hm> thats basically what they think and it sucks for those of us that work IT and telecommute
13:59 <@Shadow404> or gamers
13:59 <@oddball> Synx|hm: The cable companies are almost always government enforced monopolies like the water or power company.
13:59 < Synx|hm> i could pay an additional $75 to downgrade my service to 20/2 for a business account hahah
13:59 <@wilpig> if you're uploading video to youtube or large autocad drawings or large render jobs you're some kinda of outlier that just needs to be patient
13:59 < Synx|hm> fuck that
14:00 < Synx|hm> i quite often have to maintain low latiency vpn connections to my customers as well as uploading large files :(
14:00 < Synx|hm> not to mention with cloud backup services these days, you'd thing the ISP's would get on the fucking ball
14:01 <@wilpig> they have to pay for all those bits you're moving.  how dare you upload your shit to a cloud someplace
14:02 < Synx|hm> fuck them i pay way more in premium then they have to pay to their peers
14:03 <@oddball> wilpig: About the gloves: 1. that's what you get for shopping at Nordstrom's, and 2. you can probably find similar for significantly less at the local army/navy store.
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14:10 <@rattle> http://pornhubcommentsonstockphotos.tumblr.com/
14:10 < GateKeeper> Title: Pornhub Comments On Stock Photos (at pornhubcommentsonstockphotos.tumblr.com)
14:13 <@wilpig> i love that site
14:15 <@kive> And now I share that with everyone at one of the biggest porn houses -- watch their productivity drop for the rest of the day. :P
14:15 <@kive> howdy strangers. ;)
14:17 <@wilpig> porn house bigger than tumblr?  lol
14:36 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm: I have Sprint + Google Voice Integration
14:36 <@kive> wilpig: lulz, fair point. I meant an actual porn production company.
14:36 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm: At one point my wife stopped getting calls on her cell phone until I removed the number from her GV profile and then added it back, and it worked correctly, again
14:38 < Synx|hm> Dolemite: ya i just completely re-imaged my phone and its been f'ed up since
14:43 <@wilpig> 14:36 < andreas> aj: http://usb.brando.com/usb-heating-gloves-ii_p02313c050d15.html <- what you need
14:43 <@wilpig> 14:37 < aj> shit! that is perfect and cheap...fuck the UGGs
14:43 < GateKeeper> Title: All about USB | USB 3.0, USB Gaming, USB Lifestyle | Brando Workshop : USB Heating Gloves II (at usb.brando.com)
14:47 <@Dolemite> OMG, you just finished my crimmus shopping for my wife
14:48 <@Dolemite> She's always cold, and has a USB adapter in her car
15:08 <@wilpig> make believe pppl can get cold?
15:08 <@wilpig> or drive cars?
15:08 <@Shadow404> or be wives?
15:09 <@wilpig> there's no doubt on that last one
15:10 <@wilpig> just don't try to claim them on your taxes
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15:41 < aestetix> hahahhahahaha
15:41 < aestetix> the Google Bus guy is epic
15:43 < Synx|hm> ?
15:45 < aestetix> http://valleywag.gawker.com/google-employee-to-protestor-you-cant-afford-it-you-1479755897
15:57 <@wilpig> 15:50 < aj> I dont wanna click....:\
15:57 <@wilpig> 15:50 < aj> ok that wasnt so bad
15:57 <@wilpig> 15:57 < wilbur> damn have I shocked you that bad that you're already fearing links from me?
15:57 <@wilpig> 15:57 < wilbur> damn.
15:57 <@wilpig> 15:57 < wilbur> that might be a record
15:58 <@wilpig> fear me for I am the new virgil
15:58 <@SuMo_D> aestetix that girl looks like somebody I used to know that last I heard moved to the bay area
15:59 <@SuMo_D> I wonder if it was her...
16:01 <@SuMo_D> its like reality tv street theater trying to manipulate the public opinion through a staged performance aimed to go viral... pretty interesting, kinda horrible... but intersting
16:01 < aestetix> I'm pretty astonished at the people disagreeing with me.
16:01 < aestetix> I think it proved a fantastic point.
16:02 <@SuMo_D> how's that
16:02 < aestetix> which? :p
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16:03 <@Corydon76-work> It proved that people are disgusted at a staged reaction?
16:04 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: IMHO, it set up a realistic scenario of something that could have happened.
16:04 <@Corydon76-work> and the backlash will inevitably make people question and dismiss actual incidents in the future
16:04 <@Corydon76-work> It's "crying wolf" with the inevitable reaction certain
16:05 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: were you born and raised in SF?
16:05 <@Corydon76-work> Or are you similarly a transplant?
16:06 < aestetix> I don't see it as crying wolf.
16:07 <@Corydon76-work> Sure, it is.  It's making up a confrontation in order to attract attention.  They're attention whores, and they will be ignored, even if something legitimate to complain about happens in the future
16:07 <@SuMo_D> he never actually says who he works for
16:07 < aestetix> SuMo_D: I think sfist reported it was google.
16:07 <@SuMo_D> it could be construed as street theater.... sorta
16:07 <@SuMo_D> yeah
16:08 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but who reports on street theater?
16:08 < aestetix> SuMo_D: I see it as street theatre, which is why I'm ok with it.
16:08 <@SuMo_D> well that's the guerilla aspect of it
16:08 < aestetix> I see it as a demonstration of something that could have happened. Just because that specific instance isn't entirely real doesn't mean it doesn't happen.
16:08 <@critch> SuMo_D: why wouldn't it be a google employee if it was a google employee shuttle?
16:08 <@Corydon76-work> Or more specifically, who reports on street theater on anything but the culture beat, not the local news page?
16:08 <@SuMo_D> I actually went to a meetup on Saturday where people were talking about doing something similar but for a different issue...
16:09 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: woudl you consider it crying wolf if the exact thing had happened but it was labeled as "street theatre" ahead of time?
16:09 <@Corydon76-work> That's highly inadvisable, because of the inevitable backlash when people find out the truth of the matter
16:09 <@SuMo_D> critch they just allude to the shuttle they don't actually show it or him getting off it
16:09 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: No, I wouldn't, because reporters wouldn't be deluded into thinking it's serious
16:10 < aestetix> So it sounds like the issue here isn't actualy the protest itself, but the lack of fact-checking on the reporters side?
16:11 <@Corydon76-work> It's both
16:11 <@SuMo_D> makes me think of when they put up the moonanite LED boards in Boston and they thought they were bombs... that is a more extreme case, but similar concepts
16:11 <@Corydon76-work> If you're intentionally trying to mislead reporters, then you're as culpable as the reporter
16:11 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: all I know about is what I saw on the news article. I don't know if anyone mislead anyone.
16:11 <@SuMo_D> different forces at play too as those kids were doing it for a guerilla advertising campaign... but they were originally art students at Mass art doing the same kind of thing before they were hired by TBS
16:12 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: btw, the reason I didn't answer your transplant question is because it hit the "you're a white colonialist" trigger that I keep hearing from the fauxminists. :)
16:12 <@wilpig> I loved the LED Mooninites
16:13 < aestetix> It's also worth noting that I came to SF without a job and during a time when the economy was in the tank and nobody was hiring :)
16:13 <@SuMo_D> wilpig me too.... I actually loved the press conference even more... <3 - that was about the era I was in boston, my friends at MassArt were actually in the same classes with them
16:13 <@wilpig> you also have skills and aren't afraid to do actual work, aestetix 
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16:13 < aestetix> wilpig: skills don't matter when nobody is hiring.
16:14 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I suspect 90% of those protesting are transplants
16:14 <@Corydon76-work> Which is fucking idiotic
16:14 <@wilpig> transplanted prostitutes. what?
16:14 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: you're talking about geographical transplant, which is very differnt from a cultural transpant.
16:14 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79j2_s1n2vg
16:14 < GateKeeper> Title: Mooninite Bomb Scare & the Press:HAIR TODAY GONE TOMORROW - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:15 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Yes, but forcing people to move is the issue.  Culture is fluid and changes over time
16:15 < aestetix> But yeah, I don't really like the legacy argument.
16:15 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: there are a number of issues. It's not forcing people to move as much as "why" they are being forced to move.
16:15 <@Corydon76-work> In the 50s, the Castro was a conservative Hispanic community.  By the 70s, it morphed into a gay Mecca.
16:15 < aestetix> In this case, we have a lot of corporations making bank and not giving anything back to the community.
16:16 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: not denying that.
16:16 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: "Why" is because property values are going up, and SF has high property taxes
16:17 <@Corydon76-work> Property values going up is a problem EVERYBODY wishes they had
16:17 < aestetix> Well there are a number of issues. SF has all kinds of crazy property laws. It's nearly impossible to build new housing in SF.
16:17 < aestetix> Keep in mind I'm not saying I think it's a good or a bad thing, I just think the street theatre represented the issues well.
16:18 <@Corydon76-work> It sucks that people get evicted.  But it's not the fault of the high tech workers
16:18 < aestetix> Right. So the theatre showed two cultures clashing.
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16:18 < aestetix> Which is really what's going on.
16:19 <@Corydon76-work> No, it didn't.  It showed what an interested party THOUGHT it looked like
16:20 <@Corydon76-work> What it actually looks like was exactly like the Latinos in the Castro bitching about the gays moving into their community.
16:20 < aestetix> It's interesting that everyone who disagreed with me on twitter has a good paying tech job.
16:21 <@Corydon76-work> Artists take advantage of artificially low rents, and then they get pissed when the owner of the property figures out he can rent the space for a much higher amount
16:22 <@Corydon76-work> That's not the fault of the people who are willing to pay those higher rents.  It's called capitalism.
16:22 < aestetix> Artifically low?
16:23 < aestetix> I mean, right now property owners are taking advantage of rents that are artificially high.
16:23 <@Corydon76-work> In some cases, the artists just move in to abandoned spaces without actually even paying rent.  Squatting.
16:23 < aestetix> Right, and often when they do so they take care of a building which would otherwise fall to ruin.
16:24 < aestetix> IE dutch squatter culture.
16:24 < aestetix> So, again, I think the stunt did show two cultures clashing. Whether they are accurate representations of each culture is another story, but at least it makes people think.
16:25 < aestetix> Of course, I'm generally going to side with the artists because I've spent a lot more of my life *not* having a tech job :)
16:25 <@Corydon76-work> I'll tell you what it makes people think... "There are those malcontents, again, whining about spaces they can't afford to live in."
16:26 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Do those artists vote?  Do they contribute to election campaigns?
16:27 <@Corydon76-work> Are there more artists than tech workers, or more tech workers than artists?
16:28 < aestetix> So, let's revisit a better question: what would have been, IYHO, a more effective way to set this up?
16:28 <@Corydon76-work> To set what up?
16:28 < aestetix> to create an image that people can relate to
16:28 <@Corydon76-work> How about a staged play?
16:29 < aestetix> So, back to what I said before. WOuld it be more effective if they had labeled it as theatre ahead of time?
16:29 <@Corydon76-work> No, that's not what you asked earlier
16:29 < aestetix> Oh I thought I did.
16:30 <@Corydon76-work> You asked if it would have been okay if it was labeled as theater ahead of time
16:30 <@SuMo_D> it is a staged play... just in the street...
16:30 <@SuMo_D> brb
16:30 < aestetix> SuMo_D: right, that's my point.
16:30 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: I perceive things that happen during rush hour in the street as real, not staged
16:31 <@wilpig> OH OH OH!  I forgot to tell you guys about yesterday
16:32 <@Corydon76-work> The driver of the bus certainly wasn't in on it, and it created a problem for him or her, I'm sure
16:32 < aestetix> So maybe a positive takeaway from this is: how could it be restaged, after it's faded from the public mind, in a more effective way?
16:32 <@wilpig> It finally happened.  Snow.  
16:32 <@wilpig> And the best part!  The town didn't shut down.  Fuck, traffic didn't even slow down.  It was glorious!
16:32 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I think you missed my main point.  Now that it's been shown to be a false event, people are going to be biased against the artists
16:32 <@wilpig> I'd always heard about that happening but I saw it.
16:33 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: no, I took that, but public opinion can always be switched if you know how to do it.
16:33 <@Corydon76-work> First thing, the artists need to disavow knowledge of the actions of that union organizer
16:34 < aestetix> I think that's a distraction from the point of the event itself.
16:34 <@Corydon76-work> If it's not their fault that some attention-whore got in the middle of their protest, then that's a way to drop the public opinion bias
16:34 < aestetix> Oh I see what you're saying.
16:34 < aestetix> So basically hang him out to dry.
16:34 < aestetix> That's one way to handle it.
16:34 <@Corydon76-work> Yes
16:35 < aestetix> If there is a way to demonstrate that Google somehow *would* have been involved, that would do it too.
16:35 < aestetix> IE leaking a document of Google sending them a cease and desist. (this is a hypothetical)
16:36 <@Corydon76-work> and even supposing they're in on it, he should agree to being hung out to dry, if he believes in the movement and not his own selfish needs
16:36  * aestetix nods
16:37 <@Corydon76-work> Only thing I can see Google doing is getting pissed about them blocking the bus, i.e. blocking the right of way, and you'll see that in a police presence, not in Google saying anything
16:37 <@Corydon76-work> The cops will come out, threaten arrests if the public right of way is blocked, and a few of them probably will get carted off to jail
16:37  * aestetix nods
16:38 <@Corydon76-work> And they'll have their day in court, and then maybe suspended sentence, maybe 30 days in jail
16:38 < aestetix> So basically, there needs to be a scapegoat of some sort to deflect the blame away from the protesters.
16:39 <@Corydon76-work> and in the end, the protesters will have their little spot in Internet history, but they won't have changed how the city evolved one iota
16:39 < aestetix> Which might work in an open letter from the guy who did it
16:39 <@Corydon76-work> Or an interview with the reporter who was duped
16:40 < aestetix> I guess I've been spending too much time with europeans, the whole blame economy thing doesn't make sense to me :)
16:41 <@Corydon76-work> You know what makes sense to me?  "Artist in residence"
16:41 < aestetix> hmm?
16:42 <@Corydon76-work> It's basically a compromise between the two camps, where one space in the building converted gets promised to the artist community, and is awarded to a promising up and coming artist
16:42 <@Corydon76-work> You keep your artist culture, even getting the artist to rub elbows with the technorati, and the owner gets his increased rents
16:44 <@Corydon76-work> The artist in residence must do certain things, like put together a show at least once a year, in exchange for having gotten that space
16:45 <@Corydon76-work> and blending the two types together ensures that the artist may even have some potential buyers of his pieces
16:48 <@Corydon76-work> I can't guaranteed that building owners will go for it.  But it would be a neat PR move.
16:49 <@Corydon76-work> I suspect YOU have the ability to arrange something like that, though, as a go-between for each community
16:54 <@wilpig> it's time to get on outta here.  later bitches
16:56 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: you either got busy or you think it's a lousy idea
17:02 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: was out getting lunch
17:02 <@Corydon76-work> at 2pm?
17:03 < aestetix> yep
17:03 < aestetix> I got into the office at noon
17:03 <@Corydon76-work> I was supposed to be in the office tomorrow, but it got pushed back another week
17:03 < aestetix> heh
17:04 < aestetix> So yes, I like the artist in residence idea, however there's the value question
17:04 < aestetix> It also seems to be more popular in europe than in the US
17:04 < aestetix> (I have a friend doing an artist in residence program in vienna right now)
17:04 <@Corydon76-work> I'm not talking about a city artist in residence, though, but a building artist in residence
17:05 < aestetix> So, the approach I'm taking to this is similar to all the wikileaks things. I feel that their data dumps of Iraq and Afghanistan were totally fucked up, but they tried a few times, adapted, and got more responsible every time they did it.
17:05 < aestetix> Which is why I'm in support of the idea those protesters were pushing, even if the initial method wasn't a success.
17:05 <@Corydon76-work> Where when a squatter building gets converted to high rent tenements, one of the spaces is reserved for a low-rent artist, with that specific requirement to exhibit at least once a year
17:06 <@SuMo_D> There are plenty of artist in residence programs in the US
17:06 < aestetix> Like, I had never considered a protest against the google bus. And now I have to gell on it and figure out if there's a way that's more effetive to convey the points I've seen.
17:06 <@benthemeek> GAH! IE11 is auto updating! Oh how I hate you microsoft
17:06 <@Corydon76-work> That hopefully keeps the non-artists out of that space
17:06 <@SuMo_D> but they are often not very well funded or desirable here...
17:06 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: block the update mechanism at the firewall
17:06 <@SuMo_D> some tech companies like Sparkfun are now doing hackers in residence programs too
17:07 <@benthemeek> Im cool with security updates, its the major version releases that are kiling us
17:07 <@benthemeek> I dont have a domain everywhere so I have no way of stopping it
17:08 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: In most cases, a corporate-deployed upgrade process is far more efficient than every workstation pulling updates, though
17:08 <@benthemeek> I agree, but i dont know of way to stop it without a domain
17:08 <@benthemeek> puppet? wpkg?
17:08 <@benthemeek> Dont know
17:08 <@Corydon76-work> A transparent reverse proxy, perhaps?
17:09 <@benthemeek> Thats an idea I suppose
17:09 <@benthemeek> We do plan to go to a domain
17:09 <@benthemeek> just because of crap like this
17:09 <@benthemeek> its just slow going
17:09 <@Corydon76-work> If every attempted update gets a 404, that'll stop it immediately
17:09 <@benthemeek> getting rid of all the windows XP machines by april first
17:10 <@Corydon76-work> benthemeek: that's a good setup for a April Fools prank
17:10 <@benthemeek> Ironically they arent have a problem right now because they cant go to IE11...
17:15 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: btw, now that that article loads, it looks like the guy behind it has indeed said that he acted alone
17:15 < aestetix> which article?
17:16 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.sfbg.com/googleshoutdown
17:20 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: so after looking at that
17:20 < aestetix> It seems like the guy is just an attention whore
17:26 <@Dickie> Hi
17:26  * Dickie dances around
17:30 <@SuMo_D> attention whore.... or performance artist... yeah I guess there is a fine line
17:31 < aestetix> SuMo_D: I see a few issues with all of this
17:31 <@SuMo_D> question is... who does his hair... are there any hair questions...
17:31 < aestetix> hahaha
17:31 < aestetix> hahaaha
17:32 <@Corydon76-work> Performance artists regularly get their scrotum nailed into concrete or punched.  He had no physical injuries.  He's an attention whore.
17:32 < aestetix> I'm positive I saw a news article that said he was a google employee. I'd really like to know how they got that information.
17:33 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: He got off a bus that has the sole purpose of conveying Google employees to their workplace.  It's a reasonable assumption under the circumstances
17:34 <@SuMo_D> ha - that's ONE form of performance art... but yeah no squirrels being shoved up vaginas...
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17:35 < aestetix> Or chickens being shoved into vaginas.
17:35 < aestetix> I foudn a video of a lady who went into a grocery store in russia, took a raw chicken breast, put it into her vagina, and proceeded to walk out of the store
17:35 <@Corydon76-work> Now, eels being shoved up assholes?  That's just pure comedy
17:36 <@Corydon76-work> http://planetivy.com/offbeat/32545/chinese-man-puts-eel-in-anus-turns-out-to-be-bad-idea/
17:36 <@Dickie> "turns out"
17:36 < aestetix> So, how's this for performance art: get a bus that looks like a google bus and rent it out to companies
17:37 < aestetix> Where the bus is just parked on a street somewhere, and the employees to go the bus to go to the office
17:37 <@Dickie> Already sounds like Google will sue your face off
17:38 <@SuMo_D> aestetix she must have been watching Pink Flamingos and felt like she needed to do an homage
17:38 < aestetix> hahahaha
17:38 < aestetix> Did dmolnar tell you about the john waters stuff at noisebridge?
17:38 <@SuMo_D> ugh can't find squirrel lady's name... she did amazing work in the 70s
17:39 <@SuMo_D> no not really.. but I stole all his John Waters DVDs
17:39 < aestetix> ask him next time you talk to him
17:40 <@SuMo_D> you sure he'll tell me?
17:40 <@SuMo_D> He'll be home for Christmas
17:40 < aestetix> haha
17:40 <@SuMo_D> he's bringing his lady friend...
17:41 < aestetix> It does seem like twitter extends this ability of "playing god"
17:41 <@SuMo_D> he might not tell me in front of her depending on what it is
17:41 < aestetix> full of armchair critics who don't actually do anything themselves
17:42 <@SuMo_D> yarp
17:42 < aestetix> nah it's not bad or anything
17:42 <@SuMo_D> I never really got into twitter
17:42 < aestetix> I've been considering putting it into either a read-only mode or treating it like an "announce" list
17:42 <@SuMo_D> I've used it to pimp etsy listings... when I was still doing a lot of etsy
17:43 <@SuMo_D> and when I was running the Maker Space promotion here... used it as an announce list... but never got into the personal uses for it
18:07 < aestetix> SuMo_D: "twitter is a distribute beehive drama delivery service"
18:08 <@SuMo_D> yeah...
18:08 <@SuMo_D> I tend to use facebook
18:09 < aestetix> Well, it seems more and more that "social media" is a misnomer at best
18:10 < aestetix> I had a long period where I did not share any opinions on twitter. I may go back to that.
18:10 < aestetix> (and dump them all in here instead :p)
18:13 <@SuMo_D> lol
18:13 <@SuMo_D> well its good to share among people who kinda care...
18:13 <@SuMo_D> I think "social media" is about the kinda care...
18:13 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/06/peter-higgs-interview-underlying-incompetence
18:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Peter Higgs interview: 'I have this kind of underlying incompetence' | Science | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com)
18:14 <@SuMo_D> I just never really gave a shit about twitter, so never really found my friends or people I would give a shit about on there... I resisted facebook for a long time but after the 30th person asking me to sign up I finally did... and then when I had cancer
18:14 <@SuMo_D> it was just an easy way to update and keep in touch with people
18:14 <@SuMo_D> then I got into using it for my business... so yeah... there ya go
18:17 <@SuMo_D> as long as you're aware that hey... it is what it is... which is basically  a datamining tool for advertisers... and accept this consequences... it can be a useful tool
18:18 <@SuMo_D> *the
18:19  * aestetix nods
18:19 < aestetix> SuMo_D: it's useful for some things. But it takes all the negative things and magnifies them.
18:20 <@SuMo_D> eh... depends on your network
18:20 <@SuMo_D> but yeah...
18:20 <@SuMo_D> I just posted a whiny post about how my day has been kinda shit cause my pain level is a lot higher than normal... which... I don't normally do... but fuck it its my status and I felt like being a whiney bitch today...
18:21 <@SuMo_D> or course the person who replied was the girl who has it 10,000xs worse than me... and then I'm like... no.... sorry... I was just being lame... your shit is da real shit... sorry!
18:22 <@SuMo_D> It was more me feeling like an ass for putting it out there in the first place
18:22 <@wilpig> http://wilpig.tumblr.com/post/69524432318/merry-christmas-from-makers-mark-i-kinda-wish
18:22 < GateKeeper> Title: Pig Angry! PIG SMASH! Merry Christmas from Maker’s Mark. I kinda wish... (at wilpig.tumblr.com)
18:23 <@SuMo_D> I mean she was was being supportive.... but yeah.. her stuff is kinda similar to mine, but hers has gotten worse... and worse... and worse... :/ so..... dag...
18:23 <@SuMo_D> wilpig cute sweater
18:24 <@SuMo_D> also I feel like taking a screenshot of your happiness about the snow to show you during a Blizzard next February :P
18:25 < aestetix> SuMo_D: the issue with this stuff is it doesn't allow people to make mistakes
18:25 <@SuMo_D> well.... sorta
18:26 <@SuMo_D> twitter a lot more than Facebook on that I think
18:26 <@SuMo_D> but that is more that there isn't enough education/awareness as to reasonable ways to use social media
18:26 <@SuMo_D> ie. if you don't want that shit out there... don't put it out there!
18:27 < aestetix> Well the issue is less that
18:27 < aestetix> And more that once it's out there, you don't get to change your mind.
18:28 <@SuMo_D> Facebook you can edit statuses now
18:28 <@SuMo_D> and you can take them down
18:29 < aestetix> Hmm.
18:29 <@SuMo_D> twitter I'm not sure if you can erase them?
18:29 < aestetix> You can delete updates.
18:29 <@SuMo_D> you can see the Facebook edits too
18:29 <@SuMo_D> so... I don't really understand that
18:29 <@SuMo_D> but yeah...
18:29 < aestetix> But that's more seen as retraction and censorship.
18:30  * SuMo_D nods
18:31 < aestetix> The challenge I see.... and it's the same issue with this Google bus thing
18:31 < aestetix> On twitter, it's a battle to be correct
18:32 < aestetix> Instead of in here, where Corydon76-work, myself, and a few others discussed elements of it
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18:35 <@SuMo_D> yeah... twitter to me has always seemed like a shouting match
18:35 <@SuMo_D> or shouting to people through open windows in tall buildings
18:35 <@SuMo_D> probably why I've not really been into it
18:36 <@SuMo_D> also the Oh! I have more followers = must be more popular
18:36 <@SuMo_D> not really comfortable with that construct either
18:36  * aestetix nods
18:39 < upthedose> evening
18:40 <@SuMo_D> hi upthedose
18:40 < upthedose> how goes SuMo_D
18:40 <@SuMo_D> alright
18:40 <@SuMo_D> yourself?
18:41 < upthedose> Not bad!
18:41 < upthedose> Been a long time since ive been on here
18:41 <@SuMo_D> well, welcome back
18:41 < upthedose> ty
18:42 < upthedose> need to get back to nash2600 meeting
18:43 <@SuMo_D> yeah, I heard its fun (I live far, but went to PN, and hope to go again next year)
18:43 < upthedose> its about a 45 min drive for me
18:44 < upthedose> not shit around here
18:44 <@SuMo_D> yeah
18:45 < upthedose> Just got my slack box back up and running my mac was making me lazy
18:46 <@SuMo_D> cool
18:49 <@SuMo_D> I'm trying to figure out how to do the serial input on my peggy2 board right now... and maybe how I could run it off a raspi
18:49 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15CIEL1yu3E
18:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Peggy2 Webcam live stream - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:49 <@SuMo_D> so I can do this
18:50 < upthedose> checking it
18:50 < upthedose> damn cool
18:50 <@SuMo_D> yeah we have gadget fest here on Wednesday
18:50 <@SuMo_D> hopefully I can get it working
18:51 < upthedose> shoot a vid if you do
18:51 < upthedose> thats pretty damn cool
18:51 <@SuMo_D> I helped our kids program do 10  RGB LED 16x32 matrix boards that are placed up and down mainstreet right now so its kinda related
18:52 <@SuMo_D> we have an 8-bit Punk party on Saturday too so it would be rad
18:52 <@SuMo_D> (this is all in Greenville SC)
18:52 <@SuMo_D> yes for sure with the video ;)
18:53 < upthedose> Greenville nice place to go
18:53 < upthedose> ive passed through a few times
18:53 <@SuMo_D> yeah, lots of cool stuff going on here, keeps getting better
18:54 < upthedose> i stay busy chasing white water east of here
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18:56 <@wilpig> whoa a new name. are you lost little girl?
18:56 <@SuMo_D> There's some good rafting near Asheville
18:56 < upthedose> sure is
19:00 <@wilpig> http://adultingblog.com/post/65452847679
19:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Adulting | If you have to do an interview via Skype ... (at adultingblog.com)
19:00 <@wilpig> lol
19:03 <@SuMo_D> great goggly moogly
19:05 <@SuMo_D> I hate warnings like this " You should install the firmware for both the Peggy and the Arduino before connecting the two devices. The two pins of each device will be wired directly together, and if one of these is set as an output on either of the devices, you'll have a short circuit, and you'll damage one or both of the AVRs."
19:05 <@SuMo_D> blarg...
19:06 <@SuMo_D> always makes me nervous
19:06 <@Corydon76-work> http://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2013/12/potential-liability-for-recording-conversations-by-google-glass.html
19:06 < GateKeeper> Title: Potential Liability for Recording Conversations by Google Glass (CL Blog) (at pubcit.typepad.com)
19:20 <@wilpig> http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2013/12/trenton_man_sleeps_soundly_with_knife_stuck_in_his_back_doesnt_know_hes_stabbed_until_waking_police.html#incart_river_default
19:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Trenton man sleeps for 10 hours unaware of knife stuck in his back until his brother alerted him | NJ.com (at www.nj.com)
19:30 < aestetix> penis
19:31 < aestetix> maybe I should just say "body part of a rapist"
19:32 <@SuMo_D> cause... ya know... men are never raped
19:32 <@SuMo_D> smh
19:32 < aestetix> well
19:32 < aestetix> men are the opressor class
19:32 < aestetix> all men are by definition rapists and oppressors
19:32 <@SuMo_D> ha
19:32 <@SuMo_D> welcome tho the new 'murika
19:32 <@SuMo_D> *to
19:32 < aestetix> these definitions are of course written by white women
19:33 <@SuMo_D> yarp
19:33 <@SuMo_D> a few women of color too... but mostly white
19:34 <@SuMo_D> well... and Edward Said
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19:50 <@wilpig> aestetix: are you sure i'm a rapist?
19:50  * wilpig offers SuMo_D  a sketchy looking drink
19:55  * SuMo_D pours drink int to a great goggly moodily machine and watches it fly off towards the sunset
19:55 <@SuMo_D> cool
19:56 <@wilpig> don't be wasting good ghb like that. gah!
19:57 <@SuMo_D> the goggly moodily was telling me it was thursty
19:57 <@SuMo_D> must obey
20:16 <@wilpig> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201184725530598&l=a16bf387e9
20:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Photo (at www.facebook.com)
20:24 < NotLarry> New offline screen for my twitch, everyone follow:) - http://www.twitch.tv/notlarry
20:24 < GateKeeper> Title: NotLarry - Twitch (at www.twitch.tv)
20:24 <@wilpig> NotLarry: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10201184776411870&l=7f147ed294
20:24 < GateKeeper> Title: Photo (at www.facebook.com)
20:25 < NotLarry> Well, I don't ride a Harley
20:26 < NotLarry> Though I do like the "D"
20:26 <@wilpig> did you see the other link I posted?
20:27 < NotLarry> yup
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20:30 <@wilpig> so I learned today that one of my coworkers has an irrational fear of rats
20:31 <@wilpig> specifically master splinter or the rat people that were in captain planet
20:31 <@wilpig> so i'm thinking it's time to make a new cut out
20:36 < NotLarry> ok, gonna test out streaming GRID.
20:53 < aestetix> wilpig: yes
20:55 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: btw, if SF truly doesn't want those tech company employees bucking up housing prices, we in Nashville would be more than happy to have some of those companies move here.
20:55 <@Corydon76-work> We have a ton of undeveloped land out here.
20:57 < aestetix> I would be more than happy to ship Google over there
20:57 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, one of the nation's largest law firms moved their core of operations here last year, precisely because of our lower cost of living (thus meaning the companies could pay less)
20:58 <@Corydon76-work> We'd be more than happy to have Google here.
20:59 <@Corydon76-work> If we can get them moved by 2020, the corresponding demographic shift would turn Tennessee into a blue state.
20:59 < aestetix> But would you also welcome when real estate prices skyrocket but the wages for non-tech jobs stay the same?
20:59 <@Corydon76-work> Like I said, we have a ton of undeveloped real estate
21:00 < aestetix> And no earthquakes.
21:00 <@Corydon76-work> Well, we have earthquakes, but they all tend to be in the 5.0 range, not the 8.0 range
21:01 < aestetix> You also have southern charm, and no passive aggression.
21:02 < aestetix> Hell this is making *me* want to move to TN :p
21:02 < aestetix> Also
21:02 < aestetix> I went to brunch in the mission a couple days ago
21:02 < aestetix> And got what passes for biscuits and gravy here
21:08 <@wilpig> no passive aggression in TN, it's all active
21:08 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Also, no income tax
21:09 <@Corydon76-work> No state income tax, that is
21:10 < aestetix> nice
21:10 < aestetix> Wheras California is a nanny state
21:10 <@Corydon76-work> I really don't see why a good number of tech companies don't move to cities in Tennessee, really.  The only disadvantage we have is that we're a red state, but with an influx of tech companies and their workers, that will flip to blue by 2020.
21:11 <@wilpig> I know tumblr setup the dc in jersey because of cheap power
21:11 <@Corydon76-work> California is just too darn crowded, and they're having growing pains because of that
21:12 < aestetix> well, it's twofold
21:12 < aestetix> part is the population increase wherein the population is mostly high paid techs
21:12 < aestetix> the other part is the lack of housing
21:12 <@Corydon76-work> wilpig: yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if Tumblr set up a DC in the TVA region, precisely because of cheap power.
21:12 <@wilpig> there isn't a secondary cheap source of power there. just tva.
21:12 < aestetix> I mean, the state is also broke
21:13 <@wilpig> where we are there are three different grids that meet or something to that effect
21:13 < aestetix> And the bay area is full of old hippies trying to get the government to do things for them, while at the same time full of companies trying to make the government fuck off
21:13 <@wilpig> there is another location like this down in virginia someplace 
21:13 < aestetix> And idiot protesters as we have seen :)
21:14 <@wilpig> aestetix: idiot or bored and want their 15 minutes?
21:14 <@Corydon76-work> wilpig: Well, Dolemite managed to get power from two distinct sources
21:14 < aestetix> wilpig: both
21:14 < aestetix> I mean there's that dude from today
21:15 <@wilpig> Corydon76-work: touche
21:15 < aestetix> But there are also the assholes who broke windows of local businesses over the treyton whatever ruling
21:15 <@wilpig> trevon
21:15 <@Corydon76-work> Trayvon Martin?
21:16 <@wilpig> i sometimes wonder how wise it was for me to put the rear speakers for my tv behind my bed
21:16 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: yes
21:16 <@wilpig> some of the strangest noises come out from back there when i turn movies on
21:16 <@Corydon76-work> Woodbine could use some techies moving in and pushing property values to the sky
21:17 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: I would also argue that, while cultural evolutions have always happened, they are happening a lot more quickly now
21:17 <@Corydon76-work> That area is definitely ripe for gentrification
21:19 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: btw, did you know that my property taxes went down this year?
21:19 < aestetix> nope
21:19 <@Corydon76-work> Nashville tightened its belt, and I didn't have to pay as much
21:19 <@Corydon76-work> and yet, our fiber loop is expanding at the same time
21:20 <@Corydon76-work> You should talk up Nashville to your employer...
21:22 <@Corydon76-work> http://cdn.theatlantic.com/newsroom/img/posts/1013_WEL_Cities_map_gc.jpg
21:23 <@Corydon76-work> Job growth graph, 2009-2013.  Notice how Nashville's job growth is bigger than SF
21:23 <@wilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FulfX8KHqdA
21:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Kitties - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:23 <@brimstone> nashville's is bigger than atlanta too
21:23 <@brimstone> neat
21:25 <@Corydon76-work> The statistic we use at our business is that over 50% of America's population lives within 500 miles of Nashville, making it an ideal central point for distribution.
21:26 <@Corydon76-work> Part of our business is 3PL (Third Party Logistics)
21:27 <@brimstone> really? 500 miles?
21:27 <@Corydon76-work> Yep
21:28 <@Corydon76-work> Excuse me.  600 miles
21:28 <@Corydon76-work> http://westcapwarehousing.com/directions.php
21:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Westcap Warehousing & Logistics (at westcapwarehousing.com)
21:29 <@brimstone> how long have you been there?
21:29 <@Corydon76-work> About a year
21:29 <@brimstone> neat
21:30 <@Corydon76-work> and... obvious spelling mistake fixed...
21:33 < aestetix> vagina
21:57 < RangerZ> youngstown is 550miles by car
21:57 < RangerZ> so 600 would cover cleveland
21:58 < RangerZ> 'maybe' buffalo
21:59 < RangerZ> almost reaches tampa, houston, philly
21:59 < RangerZ> toronto
22:00 < RangerZ> http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm
22:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Radius Around a Point on a Map (at www.freemaptools.com)
22:01 < RangerZ> lulz @ Xbox one memory leak in the UI
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22:04 <@wilpig> lol
22:09 < aestetix> aaaand build tested and runs
22:09 < aestetix> yay
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22:10 < anarchival> Hold up. Dagmar was buying shots? Now I regret leaving early.
22:10 <@SuMo_D> woo new OS - and it seems to have not kiled my files always good...bwah interface looks annoying as hell though...
22:11 <@SuMo_D> thanks for the tip on mavericks wilpig
22:12 <@SuMo_D> must find skins....
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22:13 <@wilpig> yeah my air upgraded flawlessly too.
22:13 <@wilpig> was nice
22:13  * SuMo_D starts eyeing everyone in the room with their beautiful skins..... and stroking a knife 
22:13  * wilpig hands SuMo_D another drink
22:13 <@SuMo_D> yeah I'm not used to things going so flawlessly with updates
22:13 <@SuMo_D> for half a minute there I was like shiiiiiiit didn't backup the finals for the big art installation
22:14 <@SuMo_D> then remembered oh yeah, they're all on www.codebender.cc
22:14 <@SuMo_D> mmmm drink
22:14  * SuMo_D starts using the drink as a paint thinner and starts doing some face painting on  wilpig
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22:16 <@wilpig> what have you got against drinks from semi-strangers?
22:17 <@SuMo_D> o_O
22:17 <@SuMo_D> O_o
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22:19 <@wilpig> I gotta remember to find the paperwork tomorrow for the charity donation matching at work
22:19 <@SuMo_D> do eeeeeeet
22:19 <@SuMo_D> who you going to donate to?
22:20 <@wilpig> Nashville 2600 most likely
22:20 <@wilpig> They'll match up to a grand
22:20 <@SuMo_D> ah, makes sense
22:20 <@SuMo_D> they are a 501c3?
22:20 <@wilpig> yup
22:21 <@SuMo_D> cool
22:21 <@SuMo_D> was going to say Be The Match is pretty damn awesome too
22:21 <@wilpig> there is also another campaign going on through the office to do something with the nyc public library that yahoo is matching, and david karp is personally matching
22:21 <@SuMo_D> but yeah, 2600 is closer to home
22:21 <@SuMo_D> nypl is awesome
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22:23 <@wilpig> i'm still stoked about getting free admission for myself and a guest starting in 2014 to moma
22:24 <@SuMo_D> yea!
22:24 <@SuMo_D> yeah I always loved that with my staff ID from the new school
22:24 <@SuMo_D> wish I got to use it more..
22:24 <@wilpig> if I bring a group the extras after the initial person are $5
22:24 <@SuMo_D> that's awesome
22:24 <@SuMo_D> they have a movie theater too
22:24 <@SuMo_D> that usually shows some cool stuff
22:25 <@SuMo_D> Got to see Inglorious Bastards there with Tarintino doing Q&A
22:25 <@wilpig> that would be pretty cool
22:25 <@wilpig> damnit I need to shut this shit off and goto sleep
22:25 <@SuMo_D> it was really fun
22:26 <@wilpig> I haven't slept worth a fuck the last several nights and it's starting to show
22:26 <@SuMo_D> what is this sleeeeep you speak of
22:26 <@SuMo_D> yar
22:26 <@SuMo_D> well... rest well semi-stranger
22:26  * SuMo_D hands you a drink
22:26 <@wilpig> if you'd drink my drinks you'd be less a stranger in no time
22:27 <@SuMo_D> true
22:29 < RangerZ> moma?
22:30 <@SuMo_D> Museum of Modern Art
22:34 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8Aj6GtEEKI
22:34 < GateKeeper> Title: Goverment SPYING on ONLINE GAMES? - Inside Gaming Daily - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:35 < RangerZ> dagmar you gotta stop your planning  of a coup of the federal government over the chat in WoW
22:35 < RangerZ> can only plot ITS firings , lol
22:39 <@oddball> wilpig: you on?
22:40 <@wilpig> oddball: barely, but yes
22:40 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvLe3_SiMJc
22:40 < GateKeeper> Title: Teen Pays $735 for Xbox One Pic - Should Ebay Ban These Auctions? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:40 <@SuMo_D> you drank my drink didn't you wilpig
22:40 < RangerZ> yes... these should be banned
22:40 <@wilpig> I drank my own koolaid
22:40 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: wilpig didn't, but I did
22:41 <@oddball> Just wondering if you used any RAID management software for your RAID box, or just let Linux at it.
22:41 <@wilpig> it's hardware raid.  it has software to initiate it
22:41 <@wilpig> it's supposed to just work with the dip switches but doesn't
22:41 < RangerZ> oddball: AFAIK , you should have software control your raid at the OS level, b/c hardware is slower,
22:42 <@oddball> hmmm... ok... the software on the CD that came with it doesn't see it.
22:42 <@wilpig> oddball: the windows software for it works fine, the binary they sent for linux is 32bit and requires an x11 environment
22:42 < RangerZ> its RAID NAS though?
22:42 <@oddball> (this is with the CineRAID box that I think is the same as what wilpig has)
22:43 <@oddball> RangerZ: no, it connects either through USB or eSATA
22:43 <@wilpig> oddball: did you set the dip switches like I said?
22:43 < RangerZ> if it is RAID NAS, then its obviously the HW that actually controls the raid, and any SW, is just command and control software
22:43 <@wilpig> and how are you connecting it?  and what ar eyou connecting it to
22:43 < RangerZ> hmm... via USB/eSATA is probably the same
22:43 <@oddball> I set the switches like the manual told me to (power: all on, RAID: only 3 on for RAID 5)
22:44 <@wilpig> okay and what are you connecting it to and how.  esata or usb
22:44 <@oddball> I thought I had an eSATA port on the linux box, but no... so USB.
22:44 <@oddball> And Mint see it as a 9TB drive, but it looks like I need to format it.
22:44 <@wilpig> when you run the binary they sent you just aren't seeing the drive or you aren't seeing shit?
22:45 <@wilpig> you will have to format it, obviously
22:45 <@oddball> The software doesn't see shit.
22:45 <@wilpig> so you see the gui for it then
22:45 <@oddball> Of course, I had to manually copy the software over and change the permissions of the executable for it to actually run.
22:45 <@wilpig> it doesn't have any command line functionality
22:46 <@oddball> I see the gui, the gui doesn't see the array.
22:46 <@wilpig> which i'vre emailed them about
22:46 <@wilpig> even under advanced?
22:46 <@oddball> nope
22:46 <@wilpig> weird.
22:46 < RangerZ> try another USB port
22:46 <@oddball> RangerZ: Already done.
22:46 < RangerZ> other PC?
22:46 <@wilpig> but if mint sees the 9tb then that should be all you need.  all else fails try it on a windows machine
22:46 <@wilpig> just to make sure you can see it 
22:47 <@oddball> Oh... shit... I wonder if those ports are only USB2, and the thing really needs USB3.
22:47 <@wilpig> I had to use the gui then go under advanced to create the array but again you're only supposed to need to use the dip switches
22:47 < RangerZ> yeah , USB3 will NEED USB3 port AFAIK
22:47 <@wilpig> supposed to be backwards compatible to 2
22:47 <@oddball> Well, I'm formatting it now... so let's see.
22:47 < RangerZ> 'suppose to be'
22:47 <@wilpig> I used mine on my desktop which only has usb2 and 1.1
22:48 < RangerZ> well it is oddball
22:48 < RangerZ> it could just hate him
22:48 < RangerZ> lol
22:48 <@oddball> And the system recognized the array to be 9TB, which is the right size for a RAID5 of 4x3TB.
22:48 <@wilpig> right
22:49 <@wilpig> it's supposed to do autobuild and autorebuild when necessary.  i'd say it's good just let the format finish and get to filling it
22:49 <@wilpig> definitely use rsync with --progress to add shit to it to watch the transfer rates
22:50 <@wilpig> alias rsynccopy='rsync --partial --progress --append --rsh=ssh -r -h '
22:50 <@wilpig> alias rsyncmove='rsync --partial --progress --append --rsh=ssh -r -h --remove-sent-files'
22:51 <@oddball> ok, done with the formatting.... now for the filling! <cue maniacal laugh>
22:51 < RangerZ> and lightning strike
22:52 <@wilpig> I generally see between 25 and 35MB/s sustained writes
22:52 < RangerZ> thats USB being the limitter
22:52 <@wilpig> obviously if you sent multiple streams it will be slower
22:52 < RangerZ> so USB3/eSATA would help
22:52 <@wilpig> I use eSATA. :P
22:53 < RangerZ> ohh nvm, you're not using SSD
22:53 < RangerZ> plus controller overhead
22:53 <@wilpig> I think it has to do with my shitty controller and writing to multiple drives at once
22:54 <@Dagmar> wilpig: --protect-args.  Seriously.  YOu wants it.
22:54 <@wilpig> but I have pulled data off at easily double that rate
22:54 <@wilpig> dag: even when i'm just syncing locally?
22:55 <@wilpig> ie I use that alias to move shit from /home/dir/dir/sub-dir/ to /media/shows/show name/
22:56 <@wilpig> it's just an alias so I can add it. 
23:08 <@oddball> It apears to have stabalized at 35.5MB/s.
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23:39 < RangerZ> http://www.upworthy.com/what-youre-really-saying-when-you-say-happy-holidays?c=bl3
23:39 < GateKeeper> Title: What Youre Really Saying When You Say Happy Holidays (at www.upworthy.com)
23:45 < RangerZ> nice... chrome added a 'google search for images like this one' on right click now
23:47 < RangerZ> wilpig: did you want that Hour of Code 'learn the basics of coding in under an hour' link?
23:48 < RangerZ> wilpig: but why do you want to send it anonymously to samilliken ?
23:53 <@Dagmar> wilpig: If you're assured of entirely boring filenames, all the time, sure.
23:53 <@Dagmar> If *not*, even without malicious intent it really only takes one metacharacter to fuck things up
23:54 <@Dagmar> The exchange conduit for Outlook does not appear to handle large malboxes well at all
23:54 <@Dagmar> s/Outlook/Evolution/
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