--- Log opened Sat Dec 07 00:00:47 2013
00:06 < RangerZ1> yeah... thats worse than java's it gives you when you try to run a higher version jar on a VM
00:06 < RangerZ1> something like "can't find main version" or some bs like that
00:14 < RangerZ1> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/12/06/1824212/supreme-court-to-review-software-patents
00:14 < GateKeeper> Title: Supreme Court To Review Software Patents - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org)
01:06 < RangerZ1> oddball: you use plex and roku 2 right?
01:06 < aestetix> penis
01:06 < RangerZ1> any suggested reading on how to set it up? , I'm not really familiar with plex (and barely use my roku i got as a gift)
01:07 <@oddball> RangerZ1: yep
01:08 <@oddball> It's pretty idiot proof.
01:08 <@wilpig> RangerZ1: there isn't anything difficult to it
01:08 <@wilpig> I'd suggest setting up your media in a sane way first though
01:08 < RangerZ1> i haven't had time to try
01:08 <@wilpig> I have mine setup as /media/tv, /media/movies, /media/mp3
01:08 < RangerZ1> figured i would look into it this weekend
01:08 < RangerZ1> I already have that
01:09 <@wilpig> then when you install plex you just tell it new collection and point the tv collection to the appropriate place, movies, music, same
01:09 <@oddball> And I don't lie about shit like that, unlike wilpig, Mirage, and Dolemite over "yeah, MythTV just requires you to throw the disc in and it runs itself."
01:09 <@wilpig> it will then scan it all over and try to match them up to shit
01:09  * wilpig was not a myth user or liar
01:10 <@wilpig> I never got myth working, not once.
01:10 < RangerZ1> yeah , i tried to get it to work, never could
01:10 <@oddball> OH, sorry.  It was Mirage and Dolemite then.
01:10 <@wilpig> and dagmar
01:10 <@wilpig> I definitely tried several times though
01:10 < RangerZ1> i saw plex had a 'pay' version
01:11 <@oddball> "oh, it didn't work?  Did you manually configure x file?  what about y file?  and then z file?" That's not "it just fucking works!"
01:11 < RangerZ1> so i was a little leery of it
01:11 <@wilpig> the paid version gives you access ot the betas and the mobile apps free
01:11 < RangerZ1> ohh ok
01:11 <@oddball> yeah, the pay version is new and is basically "you get the patches first."
01:11 <@oddball> Oh, right... forgot about having to pay for the mobile clients.
01:11 < RangerZ1> i didn't look, i figured it was something shitty like 'you can use codecs' or some other BS
01:11 <@wilpig> also if you let several people into your archive it will show you what they are watching on the dashboard
01:12 <@oddball> Nope, the free version is fully operational.
01:13 <@oddball> The only thing it's lacking is that I don't think it will deal with DVD ISOs.  The movie has to be in mp4, avi, whatever format.
01:13 <@wilpig> right
01:13 <@wilpig> dan and I was talking about that earlier this week
01:14 <@wilpig> btw i'm getting ready to add almost all the old scooby doo shows to my archives
01:15 <@wilpig> in the process of renaming shit to standards now.  I swear some people are just slackers when it comes to naming
01:15 <@oddball> Oh, just so you know, while there isn't a linux client for Plex (just server), you can play movies through the web interface under Linux just fine.
01:15 <@wilpig> the mac client is pretty nifty
01:15 <@oddball> yeah
01:16 <@wilpig> was talking to the dude that was running our redhat training this week and he was saying he bought 10 roku's this past year.
01:16 <@wilpig> when he's on the road he tethers one to his phone when he's in the various hotels
01:16 <@oddball> ha!
01:17 <@oddball> Sounds like what WizardPC has thought about doing with a Chromecast.
01:17 <@wilpig> I've been watching my bandwidth here and it really doens't take up that much
01:17 <@wilpig> on avg I am seeing a stream taking about 60Kb/s
01:18 <@oddball> I seriously need to set up something to monitor my bandwidth usage.
01:18 <@wilpig> bandwidthd for overall
01:18 <@wilpig> mrtg for some nice graphing
01:18 <@wilpig> bwm-ng for console
01:19 <@oddball> Which means replacing my router... and I'm not really wanting to add another tower computer to this house just to run as a router.
01:19 <@wilpig> run it virtual.  ;)
01:19 <@wilpig> I added an extra nic to my virtual server then dedicated it to the firewall vm for the external
01:19 <@oddball> That would still require having a computer between all the other machines and the outside world, wouldn't it?
01:20 <@wilpig> I need to fix my actual firewall though, this was intended to be a temp solution
01:20 <@wilpig> you've got a server running plex right?  there you go
01:20 <@oddball> Yeah... but it's on the other side of the house from my cable modem, and I use it as one of my desktop machines.
01:21 <@oddball> There's not really room for a machine where the cable modem is... which is the only cable drop in the house.
01:25 <@wilpig> heh. I see notlarry and lo watchign stuff right now
01:26 <@wilpig> I shoudl get to sleep.  I didn't realize it was already 1:30
01:29 < aestetix> vagina
01:32 < aestetix> man
01:32 < aestetix> windows development makes me want to go restart a mysql production server or something
01:35 <@wilpig> night all
01:35 < RangerZ1> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/12/06/2342247/trans-pacific-partnership-includes-unwanted-elements-of-sopa
01:35 < GateKeeper> Title: Trans-Pacific Partnership Includes Unwanted Elements of SOPA - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org)
01:35 < RangerZ1> just to 'brighten up' everyone's night
01:35 < RangerZ1> :/
01:36 < aestetix> btw
01:36 < aestetix> want to feel old?
01:36 < aestetix> At thanksgiving my brother cracked a joke about pogs.
01:36 < aestetix> His gf (who is like 22) said "what are pogs?"
01:39 < aestetix> Hell I probably still have a slammer laying around somewhere
01:39 < RangerZ1> millennials' pet rocks
01:40 < RangerZ1> but atleast they had cool pics on them
01:40 < aestetix> pet rocks?
01:41 < aestetix> that is, how do they relate to pogs
01:41 < RangerZ1> thats the saying i've heard said about them
01:41 < RangerZ1> " 'something stupid' that everyone had"
01:42 < aestetix> heh
01:42 < aestetix> yes they were amazingly stupid
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03:33 <@Dagmar> When I was a kid we had replica guns that were made of metal and you could crack a skull with.  No red marker caps.
03:33 <@Dagmar> ...because cops could be trusted to know that a seven-year-old didn't actually have a fuckign revolver.
03:37 <@Dagmar> aestetrix: Here's one for you...
03:38 <@Dagmar> No wait, figured it out.
03:42 < aestetix> what
03:43 < aestetix> is this some amazing thing that will make me stop hating windows? :)
03:43 <@Dagmar> No, I just thought I found a bizarre part of Google+
03:43 <@Dagmar> Under "Report / Block user" one of the options is "I dont' want to report this user"
03:43 <@Dagmar> Must be for just blocking them
03:48 < aestetix> oh?
03:50 <@Dagmar> I stumbled across it while preparing to report some 4chan refugee going by "faggot butthole"
04:01 < aestetix> haha
04:04 < aestetix> ok
04:04 < aestetix> http://www.bestmedicareprice.com/
04:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Medicare Prices (at www.bestmedicareprice.com)
04:04 < aestetix> this is brilliant
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04:47 < aestetix> Dagmar: dumb uestion
04:48 < aestetix> what's the difference between char * and char **?
04:48 < RangerZ1> aestetix: obviously char** has an extra *
04:48 < RangerZ1> ;)
04:48 < aestetix> har har
04:48 < RangerZ1> but seriously
04:49 < RangerZ1> http://www.amazon.com/Primer-Plus-Edition-Developers-Library/dp/0321776402
04:49 < RangerZ1> if you're going to be doing c++, get that
04:49 < RangerZ1> best reference book i've found
04:49 < aestetix> I'm not "doing" it so much as fixing it
04:49 < RangerZ1> plus very informative
04:49 < RangerZ1> still worth having
04:49 < aestetix> that said, thanks
04:49 < aestetix> Most of what I am doing is finding the hacks people have written to get linux stuff working on windows
04:49 < RangerZ1> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5192068/c-char-argv-vs-char-argv
04:49 < GateKeeper> Title: main - C++ - char** argv vs. char* argv[] - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
04:50 < aestetix> ahhhh got it
04:50 < RangerZ1> char* = array of characters
04:50 < aestetix> yeah ok that makes sense
04:52 < RangerZ1> http://stackoverflow.com/a/5192126/2801237
04:52 < RangerZ1> thats the best answer i found on there
04:53 < RangerZ1> char** = pointer to pointer to char
04:53 < aestetix> right
04:53 < RangerZ1> sometimes i find it hard to explain what c++ code does... even when ____I____ understand it
04:54 < aestetix> hehe
04:54 < aestetix> incidentally
04:55 < aestetix> C++ was the first language I ever learned
04:55 < aestetix> however that was over 10 years ago and I haven't touched it in a long time
04:55 < RangerZ1> pascal then c++
04:55 < RangerZ1> and i only ever touch c++ for a semester at a time
04:55 < RangerZ1> then leave it alone
04:58 <@Catonic> balls
04:58 <@Catonic> of
04:58 <@Catonic> STEEL
05:02 <@Catonic> nuts of crust
07:51 <@Shadow404> pussy waffles
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11:24 <@Dagmar> murder crepes
11:26 <@oddball> Dagmar: How long do you think the event is going to go on today?
11:28 <@Dagmar> Four hours?
11:28 <@Dagmar> Tee hee http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/12/06/german-patent-ruling-threatens-microsofts-windows-phone-earnings-from-android/
11:28 < GateKeeper> Title: German Patent Ruling Threatens Microsoft's Windows Phone Earnings From Android - Forbes (at www.forbes.com)
11:29 <@Dagmar> Some chirpy little bitch started babbling away about some thing or other on Zello at 7:45.
11:29 <@oddball> cool, thanks
11:30 <@Dagmar> I'll sign back into it before I leave the house
11:34 <@wilpig> Shadow404: ping
11:36 <@Shadow404> pong
11:36 <@Shadow404> wasnt me
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12:17 <@Dagmar> oddball: Starts at 1pm, ends at 5pm.  People are meeting at Farmer's Market at noon
12:18 <@oddball> Cool.  I'll try to aim for noon.  I'm guessing that's when you're planning on showing up as well (since I don't know anyone else face to face).
12:19 <@Dagmar> Yes.  There's at least 25 of us showing at this point.  Very organized.
12:19 <@Dagmar> Go ahead and install an app called Zello on your phone.
12:20 <@Dagmar> It's likely we'll be using that for PTT communications for everyone once things are moving
12:20 <@oddball> gotcha
12:21 <@oddball> Guess I should also make sure my bluetooth headset is charged as well then. :)
12:37 <@oddball> Bah... guess I should get wrapped up and head out the door.
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14:49 <@wilpig> NSFW   http://companyxiv.com/productions/?view=nutcracker-rouge
14:49 < GateKeeper> Title: PRODUCTIONS | Company XIV (at companyxiv.com)
14:49 <@wilpig> That would probably be entertaining
14:50 < NotLarry> D
14:50 < NotLarry> Does not entertain at work eh?
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15:02 <@wilpig> it would fly at my job.  hell i could probably get a few people to go with
19:34 < RangerZ1> holy fuck.... i slept a shit ton
19:34 < RangerZ1> 13hours
19:42 <@wilpig> I think you were drugged
19:42 <@wilpig> you should goto the E.R. and tell them you were raped
19:43 < RangerZ1> yes...yes... by vanderbilt
19:44 < RangerZ1> but atleast I didn't work in the NOC or ITS ;)
19:44 <@wilpig> working in the noc was working for its
19:49 < RangerZ1> *shrugs*, you got my point, lol
19:54 < RangerZ1> ohh yeah https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13413-The-Next-Great-Starship-Registration
19:54 < GateKeeper> Title: The Next Great Starship Registration - Roberts Space Industries (at robertsspaceindustries.com)
19:54 < RangerZ1> if anyone likes modding, or 3D ship creation, they should look into this, there are teams forming, etc
19:56 <@Dagmar> We were _wildly_ outnumbered today
20:01 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: how'd it go?
20:01 < RangerZ1> i was alseep, else i was actually going to head out
20:03 <@wilpig> Dagmar: that goes without saying. 
20:15 <@Dagmar> Completely crap
20:15 <@Dagmar> Now much to be done when you're outnumbered 5-6 to 1
20:15 <@wilpig> that was my basic argument when I was down there that it was pointless when you had 5 of them to 1 of us
20:15 < aestetix> ugh
20:16 <@wilpig> it wasn't strategy it was sheer zerg
20:16 <@Dagmar> WEll, I'm going to work with the ops people for the next event
20:16 <@Dagmar> There's some stuff I was expecting them to do and they didn't
20:16 < aestetix> Windows and POSIX. Nuff said.
20:16 <@Dagmar> During most of the event, six smurfs kept a field up over the whole area
20:16 <@Dagmar> No one was dispatched to go take it out
20:16 <@wilpig> shit like make sure the known cheating fucks aren't allowed to join in?
20:17 <@Dagmar> wilpig: That's true.  Some smurfs had accounts for their wee tots
20:21 <@Dagmar> ...and of course Religion tried to talk to me, and got irked becuase I basically told him to piss off.
20:21 <@Dagmar> I could have been a *lot* nastier
20:36 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=keNJsjbew7o if anyone is a boarderlands fan
20:36 < GateKeeper> Title: Telltale Announces Tales from the Borderlands - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:37 < RangerZ1> or 'point and click story telling' games such as walking dead/wolf among us
20:39 <@Dagmar> I'm waiting for them to finally release the new The Walking Dead season
20:41 < aestetix> vag
20:43 < RangerZ1> you know what i realized youtube needs, a real 'queue' of videos to watch, and not just the 'watch later' list
20:46 < RangerZ1> world of tanks devs, just bought Masters of Orion IP, and Total Annihilation IP
20:46 < RangerZ1> nice, I'd love to see new versions of both of those
20:49 < aestetix> RangerZ1: wouldn't that go against the present paradigm of things that are focused on the present?
20:49 < RangerZ1> MoO 2 is still one of the best E4 games ever
20:49 < aestetix> IE all these stupid apps that let you record something to "look at later"
20:50 < RangerZ1> aestetix: youtube? I mean i have a bunch of videos on my RSS feed
20:50 < RangerZ1> that I want to watch, in a chain
20:50 < RangerZ1> but 'ehh'
20:52 < RangerZ1> if you mean world of tanks devs getting MOO, then I don't really care, b/c I'd love to see a new E4 and  RTS other than civ/starcraft 2
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21:04 < aestetix> SuMo_D: http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/06/peter-higgs-boson-academic-system
21:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Peter Higgs: I wouldn't be productive enough for today's academic system | Science | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com)
21:05 <@SuMo_D> yeah, I think that was one of the reasons dmolnar chose not to go into academia
21:06 <@SuMo_D> its a little different with arts based programs...
21:06 <@SuMo_D> but then there is the pressure to show... which is just as bad
21:11 < RangerZ1> SuMo_D: thats kinda why I want to take 5~10 years off from school and work in research before going for PhD
21:11 < RangerZ1> i want time to re catch up with current tech, etc, after I've gotten my formal education
21:11 <@SuMo_D> yarp
21:12 <@SuMo_D> in "Fine Arts" an MFA is a terminal degree... most of the time they won't take anybody just out of a BFA program for that very reason... the whole go out and live a little and learn what is out there!
21:13 < RangerZ1> I _KNOW_ I'm a better programmer, computer scientist, and researcher because of the courses I've taken, but I want to let that experience settle for bit, and 1) catch back up on having a life 2) do some reserach into what I want my PhD topic to actually be
21:18 <@SuMo_D> yep
21:19 <@SuMo_D> aestetix - this looks interesting http://www.mediaed.org/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=171
21:19 < GateKeeper> Title: Google & the World Brain - The Audacious Attempt to Control Human Knowledge - A film by Ben Lewis | Media Education Foundation (at www.mediaed.org)
21:19 <@SuMo_D> gawd I love the Media Education Foundation
21:24 <@SuMo_D> but it looks like they took down their full length previews :( that makes me a very sad panda :( :( :(
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21:25 <@SuMo_D> Oh good... its only for the sundance ones...
21:48 <@wilpig> that was fun.  just played a round of civ v with iyeman
21:48 <@wilpig> you can team up and share your research efforts
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22:02 < aestetix> man
22:02 < aestetix> I literally cannot function in Windows
22:02 < aestetix> I keep trying to ls and grep things
22:03 < aestetix> "wait, I have to do dir? fuck this is annoying"
22:05 <@wilpig> haha
22:05 <@wilpig> you can get those tools
22:06 < aestetix> yes I know
22:10 < aestetix> what is a playstation camera?
22:10 <@wilpig> does it have a specific name?
22:10 <@wilpig> iris?
22:10 < aestetix> I'm watching a video of someone setting up a PS4
22:10 < aestetix> and it has the option to set up a camera
22:11 <@wilpig> right.  just like the xbox has the kinect
22:11 < aestetix> I can't undersatnd why someone would have a game system be online, but also have a camera attached
22:11 < aestetix> NSA ftl
22:11 <@wilpig> there was the whole thing we were talking about the other night about the ps4 twitch channels getting shut down cause people were fucking on them
22:12 < aestetix> hahaha
22:14 <@wilpig> http://www.ustream.tv/channel/youre-dead-nerd-s-ps4-live-show
22:14 < GateKeeper> Title: PS4 Partyyy on USTREAM: Just some black guy's cam. PlayStation (at www.ustream.tv)
22:14 <@wilpig> here.  people not playing on hte ps4 using it right now to stream stupid
22:16 < aestetix> huh
22:16 < aestetix> apparently PSN has a social network component?
22:17 <@wilpig> yes because they are dumb?
22:17 < aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qneY3iiKzuE
22:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Sony PlayStation 4 (PS4) unboxing, setup & system config video - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:18 < aestetix> 20 minutes into this and I still haven't seen gameplay
22:21 < aestetix> ok so
22:21 < aestetix> it seems misleading to call this a game system
22:33 <@SuMo_D> aestetix http://criticalthemes.newschool.edu/2014/call-for-proposals/
22:34 <@SuMo_D> small but fun student organized conference - when I was there I helped set one up, usually good stuff. You'd have to present in person though I think?
23:07 <@oddball> well, I got to level 5 in Ingress today.
23:07 <@oddball> so... founders badge for me!
23:13 < aestetix> well shit
23:13 < aestetix> SuMo_D: awesome
23:13 < aestetix> SuMo_D: I prefer speaking in person
23:14 <@wilpig> I think i'm going to attempt a mysql master <=> master replica tomorrow
23:14 < aestetix> also, I finally got the code to build
23:14 < aestetix> not to test it
23:14 < aestetix> wilpig: oh wow, have fun with that
23:14 < aestetix> make sure you set autoincrement to be evens on one system and odds on another
23:14 <@wilpig> it's gonna be for a small disaster scenario but it should eb fairly easy
23:15 <@wilpig> http://www.howtoforge.com/mysql_master_master_replication
23:16 < GateKeeper> Title: MySQL Master Master Replication | HowtoForge - Linux Howtos and Tutorials (at www.howtoforge.com)
23:21 < NotLarry> Ok, I have payed 3 games of league since my co-worker started his "break"
23:21 < NotLarry> Not that I'm being productive:)
23:22 <@wilpig> NotLarry: I saw this documentary the other night on how to deal with coworkers like that.  You should watch it and use the techniques they describe
23:22 <@wilpig> have you see "Roots"?
23:22 < aestetix> wilpig: yep
23:22 <@wilpig> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075572/
23:22 < GateKeeper> Title: Roots (TV Mini-Series 1977) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
23:22 < aestetix> wilpig: iirc it's basically setting up a dual master-slave loop
23:22 <@wilpig> NotLarry: just keep whipping until he says his name is toby
23:23 <@wilpig> err rI mean he stops leaving the room
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23:28 < NotLarry> You don't seem to understand, he is not here enough to interact with.
23:29 < NotLarry> He came in from "somewhere" to tell me he was taking a brake.
23:29 < NotLarry> I think he is shagging in the breakroom
23:29 <@wilpig> if you beat him enough he won't be able to leave
23:33 < aestetix> vagina
23:35 <@Catonic> Sometimes I wonder what's on that boy's mind, but I know it isn't at the tip of his tongue.
23:45 < NotLarry> Jesus, He came in, and is gone again.  fuck.  He wasn't in here 40 seconds.
23:46 < NotLarry> Well, I'
23:46 < NotLarry> I guess I'll go back to playing video games and watching the tube.
23:47 <@wilpig> do I need to ship you a whip?
23:49 < aestetix> http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1sbwz8/i_am_david_belk_im_a_doctor_who_has_spent_years/
23:49 < GateKeeper> Title: I am David Belk. I'm a doctor who has spent years trying to untangle the mysteries of health care costs in the US and wrote a website exposing much of what I've discovered AMA! : IAmA (at www.reddit.com)
23:49 < aestetix> seems relevant to our discussions about corporations
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