--- Log opened Thu Dec 05 00:00:45 2013
00:02 < aestetix> RangerZ1: eh, it's a bit pedantic.
00:04 < aestetix> vagina
00:05 <@Dagmar> derp.
00:05 <@Dagmar> I gotta watch my front door more carefully.
00:06 <@Dagmar> Before I went out, I left the front door open for less than a minute because I went back in for a hairbrush.
00:06 <@Dagmar> I just got home, and the moment I opened the door, there was Marmalade.
00:06 <@Dagmar> ...and considering there was food out he didn't touch, and a small, cat-sized indentation on my bed, he owns me.
00:07 <@Dagmar> ...or at least he thinks he does.
00:07 <@Dagmar> No unpleasant presents or nothing.  He must have just decided I'd come back soon enough and took a nap on my bed.
00:23 < aestetix> man
00:23 < aestetix> I have two cats
00:23 < aestetix> It's really gross when one cat pukes, and the other one comes along and starts eating it
00:34 <@oddball> Dagmar: So... you have a cat now?
00:36 <@Dagmar> No, but there's a cat that clearly thinks he has me
00:42 < RangerZ1> all in all, i'd say that is a pretty good behaved cat then
00:42 < aestetix> RangerZ1: did you listen to my radio show?
00:42 < RangerZ1> you have a radio show?
00:45 < aestetix> well
00:45 < aestetix> I got interviewed
00:45 < RangerZ1> obviously no
00:45 < RangerZ1> i didn't
00:46 < aestetix> http://it.sensoryresearch.net/thoughtconduit/archive?id=1711
00:46 < GateKeeper> Title: Interactive Technologies: IT12032013 (at it.sensoryresearch.net)
00:47 < RangerZ1> i'll listen to it later
00:47 < RangerZ1> got a final project due in the morning
00:47 < RangerZ1> and....obviously... it isn't working
00:47 < RangerZ1> b/c that would be too simple
00:47 < RangerZ1> AND NOW... my laptop keyboard decided to change ALL keyboard inputs
00:47 < RangerZ1> so i can't type '.'  I get '>'
00:47 < RangerZ1> fucking laptop
01:02 <@SuMo_D> aestetix with das sounds
01:02 <@SuMo_D> owwww my ears! they burn :P
01:03 < aestetix> what?
01:03 < aestetix> what sounds
01:03 <@SuMo_D> your interivew
01:03 < aestetix> oh
01:03 <@SuMo_D> IT
01:03 < aestetix> how is it?
01:03 <@SuMo_D> I just started it
01:04 <@SuMo_D> trying to ascertain if its like that other important lecture you shared yesterday ;)
01:04 < aestetix> I highly doubt it
01:04 <@SuMo_D> I donno the trippy intro music... its like porn for the ears?
01:05 <@SuMo_D> could shoot things
01:05 < aestetix> hey it's not my radio show :p
01:05 <@SuMo_D> or... is it?
01:05 <@SuMo_D> you are the terror squid!
01:05 < aestetix> haha
01:06 <@SuMo_D> \m/
01:09 <@SuMo_D> Dude I didn't know five minute of fame was your deal at noisebridge
01:09 <@SuMo_D> I remember dmolnar really loved those
01:09 <@SuMo_D> or at least he use to talk about them when he was home
01:10 < aestetix> awww
01:10 < aestetix> yeah, I started it
01:10 < aestetix> I retired at the end of 2010 though
01:10 <@SuMo_D> RIP
01:11 <@SuMo_D> why if I may ask
01:11 < aestetix> well
01:11 < aestetix> the event is still going on
01:11 < aestetix> uh
01:11 <@SuMo_D> rants and fights?
01:11 < aestetix> have you ever tried running a monthly event? :p
01:11 <@SuMo_D> yes
01:11 <@SuMo_D> yes I have... lol
01:11 < aestetix> I ran it for almost two years and then said "ok I'm done someone else do it"
01:12 <@SuMo_D> yeah, it takes a lot of commitment... and... something
01:12 <@SuMo_D> probably a insanity... or something
01:12 < aestetix> yes insanity
01:13 <@SuMo_D> I spent a year running a weekly meetup
01:13 < aestetix> and masochism
01:13 <@SuMo_D> that was.... something
01:13 < aestetix> wow
01:13 < aestetix> but yeah I ran 5mof from feb 2009 to I guess the end of 2010
01:13 <@SuMo_D> yeah, I'm probably going to start two monthly meetups in January
01:14 < aestetix> have fun
01:14 <@SuMo_D> yeah, after a weekly, it'll be a break :P
01:14 < aestetix> I definitely think the best days of noisebridge are behind it though, sadly
01:14 <@SuMo_D> yeah... very sad
01:15 <@SuMo_D> one of the meetups I think should go really well... the continuing ed department at the local university I was teaching at got dissolved and all the students form my fall classes were like noooo we want more
01:16 <@SuMo_D> so it should have a good group to start with, I had a good talk with a local business owner who is really open to donating us space to use too... so that's always good.
01:28 <@oddball> cool
01:33 <@SuMo_D> how are you doing oddball?
01:36 <@SuMo_D> aestetix good interview
01:36 <@SuMo_D> the last part... with everyone has a new thing to say... makes me thing there should be some interactive visual cluster map or interactive concept cloud or something
01:38 <@oddball> pretty good.  Got some new knives in the mail.
01:38 <@oddball> And I'm starting to fade in and out of consciousness, so I'm going to bed.
01:41 <@SuMo_D> Ooo knives
01:42 < aestetix> SuMo_D: thanks
01:42 <@SuMo_D> and yeah bed sounds seems like a good idea... I think I'm headed that way too
01:42 <@SuMo_D> http://www.jasondavies.com/wordcloud/#http%3A%2F%2Fnymrights.org%2F
01:42 < GateKeeper> Title: Word Cloud Generator (at www.jasondavies.com)
01:42 <@SuMo_D> but first
01:42 < aestetix> SuMo_D: anything I could do better?
01:42 <@SuMo_D> aestetix look how big you are :P
01:42 < aestetix> what is that
01:43 <@SuMo_D> tiz but a cloud my lovely
01:43 < aestetix> I'm actually rather happy Pan set up the interview so that could be the final word
01:43 < aestetix> the funny part is
01:43 < aestetix> he was telling me before the interview he was gonna ask hard questions
01:43 < aestetix> after wards, I'm like "I thought you were gonna..."
01:44 <@SuMo_D> lol
01:44 <@SuMo_D> yeah... it was more of a yeah... let me give you an overview of it all
01:44 < aestetix> well also
01:45 <@SuMo_D> honestly it was probably the most comprehensive talk I've heard you give on the subject
01:45 < aestetix> which was?
01:45 < aestetix> the shmoocon talk?
01:45 < aestetix> or that interview
01:45 <@SuMo_D> well... sorry comprehensive is the wrong word
01:45 <@SuMo_D> that interview
01:45 < aestetix> or you mean dense?
01:45 <@SuMo_D> the most... accessible maybe?
01:45 < aestetix> ohhh
01:45 < aestetix> accessible
01:45 < aestetix> ok
01:45 <@SuMo_D> it covers a lot of well... why should I give a shit
01:46 < aestetix> man
01:46 <@SuMo_D> and the whole yeah... its a war.. but its not a war... but it is
01:46 <@SuMo_D> really...
01:46 < aestetix> I had to be very careful not to cover the taboo topics
01:46 < aestetix> well yes
01:46 < aestetix> but nobody wants to hear about that
01:46 < aestetix> they want to hear about education
01:46 <@SuMo_D> like I said... most accessible
01:46 < aestetix> and I didn't say fuck once!
01:46 <@SuMo_D> but... I think it gets people interested
01:46 <@SuMo_D> I KNOW
01:46 <@SuMo_D> how did that happen :P
01:47 <@SuMo_D> did you check out your word cloud
01:47 <@SuMo_D> your name is the same size as RIGHTS
01:47 < aestetix> ok brb having sex
01:47 <@SuMo_D> ok... sleeping
01:47  * aestetix waits for wilpig 
01:49 < RangerZ1> aestetix: nice interview
01:49 < RangerZ1> but could answer faster, and be more prepared with URLs, and facts
01:49 < RangerZ1> but 8/10  ;)
01:58 <@SuMo_D> answer faster? you want him to seem like he's on drugs or something
02:05 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG_mhvVuy8Y aestetix your counterpart
02:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Archie Comics CEO Fights Penis Allegations | Bizarre Story - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:29 < aestetix> RangerZ1: answer faster?
02:30 < aestetix> RangerZ1: I had no idea what questions would be asked :p
02:30 < RangerZ1> thats an excuse? lol
02:30 < RangerZ1> pre-interview green room discussion
02:30 < RangerZ1> duh
02:30 < RangerZ1> lol
02:31 < aestetix> well I mean, we had a tiny bit of that
02:31 < aestetix> RangerZ1: how about you do an interview and we'll grade you
02:31 < RangerZ1> lol
02:32 < RangerZ1> i gave you 8/10
02:33 < aestetix> the challenge with being more prepared with urls and facts is that I'm also sharing a narrative
02:33 < aestetix> people want facts, but they also want a story.
02:34 < aestetix> hmm maybe when I finish this code challenge I can work in some of the long form answers to the interview questions
02:36 < RangerZ1> thats pretty much what you need
02:36 < RangerZ1> one liners work well too
02:36 < aestetix> RangerZ1: well, my plan is to take each question and give like a 5-10 minute answer
02:36 < aestetix> sure
02:36 < aestetix> My plan is to create mini-presentations
02:36 < RangerZ1> i mean 30~45sec answsers that are 'canned' are your best friends
02:36 < aestetix> yeah I have a lot of those, honestly
02:54 <@SuMo_D> penis penis
02:55 <@SuMo_D> aestetix do you know the Yes Men?
02:55 < RangerZ1> SuMo_D: you watched that video , lol
02:55 <@SuMo_D> penis
02:55 <@SuMo_D> don't make me get my hells agels
02:55 < RangerZ1> lies
02:55 <@SuMo_D> angels
02:55 < RangerZ1> we all know 'wallet' is what a lot of women think
02:56 < RangerZ1> alot = minority, but enough to make a stereotype
02:58 < RangerZ1> later all, have to boot to other OS w/o chat, later
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03:14 < aestetix> SuMo_D: yes
03:14 < aestetix> they keynoted HOPE 9 :)
03:28 < aestetix> When my nephew was three he broke his leg at the rink and had to wear a cast that went just above the knee. A few weeks later he had a few days of diarrhea, and...did not make it to the toilet. Yep, liquid shit down the cast, flowing all the way out by the toes.
03:48 < aestetix>  http://www.amazon.com/Samsung-UN85S9-85-Inch-Ultra-120Hz/product-reviews/B00CMEN95U/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1
03:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Amazon.com: Customer Reviews: Samsung UN85S9 85-Inch 4K Ultra HD 120Hz 3D Smart LED TV (at www.amazon.com)
03:48 < aestetix> man this is funny
07:21 <@Shadow404> aestetix: the worst part is that: 404 of 447 people found the following review helpful
07:22 <@Shadow404> and if only i had $39,997.99 lying around
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07:56 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:02 <@Shadow404> whats up slacker cracker, whacker packer
08:19 <@wilpig> damn.  my morning started at 7 and just now sitting down to check tickets / email
08:20 <@brimstone> gross
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08:52 <@Dolemite> yay, time for a meeting!
08:55 <@Shadow404> brimstone: gross?
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09:10 <@Dickie> Shadow404: gross.
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09:27 <@Shadow404> whats gross?
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09:34 <@wilpig> https://24.media.tumblr.com/a2e31953dffab8e58391ca2cc1e5fd34/tumblr_mnmxlzovqi1qijoeyo2_r1_500.gif
09:36 <@Corydon76-work> 144 is a gross
09:37 <@wilpig> I wish this had been done better.  http://im-not-weird-at-all.tumblr.com/post/68424475500/most-of-the-garleks-were-killed-in-the-thyme-war
09:37 < GateKeeper> Title: I'mNotWeirdAtAll - Most of the Garleks were killed in the thyme war (at im-not-weird-at-all.tumblr.com)
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09:38 <@Shadow404> last link sfw?
09:38 <@Shadow404> garleks?
09:41 <@wilpig> so they've signed a good studio to make the warcraft movie and a load of mostly unknowns to star in it.  clearly this thing is going to suck
09:41 < frsilent> lol
09:41 <@wilpig> https://twitter.com/Legendary/status/408390564896178176
09:41 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / Legendary: WARCRAFT movie fans! Cast reveal: ... (at twitter.com)
09:41 <@wilpig> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0803096/
09:41 < GateKeeper> Title: Warcraft (2015) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
09:42 <@Shadow404> wilpig: look at harry potter, they were mostly unknowns and look how popular that got
09:42 <@Shadow404> its on the same genre of fantasy
09:42 <@wilpig> both do have rabid fanbois
09:43 <@wilpig> there is a ton of good lore to the warcraft universe but it will be pretty damned hard to translate to screen without a shitload of cgi
09:43 <@Shadow404> i hope they have blimp battles
09:43 <@Shadow404> that would be super epic
09:44 <@wilpig> lol  https://31.media.tumblr.com/7bd844ce7ae0f72d72a92435af71b0ea/tumblr_mxaiduTaY01s07n18o1_1280.jpg
09:44 <@Shadow404> or at least showcase that transport, oh and also showcase the knome engineering prowess (sp?)
09:44 <@wilpig> there is one story line that is epic that would pull people in but I don't see them telling the story of the world tree and it's near destruction
09:44 <@wilpig> its*
09:45 <@wilpig> they could do the rise and fall of arthas
09:46 <@Shadow404> yeah, world tree has been done
09:46 <@wilpig> http://www.wowwiki.com/Arthas_Menethil
09:46 < GateKeeper> Title: Arthas Menethil - WoWWiki - Your guide to the World of Warcraft (at www.wowwiki.com)
09:46 <@Shadow404> it got destroyed for unobtanium
09:47 <@wilpig> that there is a good story and has plenty of side story for either an action movie or some type of romance/drama/fantasy
09:47 <@Shadow404> agreed
09:48 <@Shadow404> i think the first warcraft movie should be a vanilla opener into the warcraft world that explains each race the the eternal battle with evil
09:48 <@Shadow404> and then develop bigger battles later on
09:48 <@Shadow404> sorta again, like harry potter did
09:49 <@Shadow404> and each race's world
09:50 <@Shadow404> or like lotr, all race battle against orcs and their sub races
09:50 <@Shadow404> the lich king could come in a later movie, sorta follow the progression of the WoW expansions loosely
09:56 <@wilpig> since it's gonna be a one and utter fail at least go for the big battle fo good and evil with the lich
10:12 <@Shadow404> yeah...im two sided on that arguement, i get what your saying in reality whhats gonna happen, but there have been worse movies that had sequels
10:12 <@Shadow404> take mortal kombat
10:12 <@Shadow404> or street fighter
10:15 < frsilent> lol
10:15 < frsilent> fuck you Shadow404
10:15 < frsilent> I had managed to forget those...
10:18 <@Shadow404> lawl
10:18 <@Shadow404> van claud vandam (sp? horribly)
10:19 <@Corydon76-work> Jean Claude van Dam?
10:20 <@Corydon76-work> But remember, those were star-vehicle movies, not movies where the star takes a backseat to the plot.
10:20 < frsilent> ^
10:20 < frsilent> maybe it'll allow them to save money for more CGI =]
10:21 <@Shadow404> warcraft is gonna need a hell of alot of cgi too
10:22 <@Shadow404> take how much cgi there was for lotr
10:22 <@Shadow404> and those were some star actors
10:24 <@Shadow404> ladymerlin: remember Lotr opening night?
10:25 <@Shadow404> or lack thereof?
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10:54 <@wilpig> just went over kill and killall.  we had some cat processes running so it became killall cat.
10:54 <@wilpig> damn notlarry lines popping into my head about killing kittens
11:02 <@Dolemite> heh
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12:29 <@wilpig> okay that's something I didn't know.  you can install an rpm locally via yum and it will nab the deps if it can
12:42 <@oddball> Which is good.  I remember the days of dependency hell.
12:43 <@oddball> It was actually what caused me to switch from a Red Hat based distro (Mandriva) to Ubuntu.
12:43 <@oddball> Damn shame about Mandriva.  Mandrake was actually a pretty good distro.
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13:19 < v4mp> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/12/scientist-developed-malware-covertly-jumps-air-gaps-using-inaudible-sound/
13:19 < GateKeeper> Title: Scientist-developed malware prototype covertly jumps air gaps using inaudible sound | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
13:19 <@wilpig> I can't begin to tell you how many times i've had a directory full of shit that were deps and ended up having to do an rpm -Uvh /directory_of_doom/
13:24 <@wilpig> one step closer to skynet
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14:37 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JhNaunITh4
14:37 < GateKeeper> Title: The Amazing Spider-Man 2 -- Official Teaser Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:50 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: spoiler, he want up the water spout
14:50 <@Shadow404> *went
15:03 < aestetix> vagina
15:27 <@Shadow404> a sound of music remake by nbc??? really?
15:29 <@Dolemite> Broadcast live!  How exciting!  <bleh>
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15:31 <@Shadow404> see, it only works in the old classic vesions
15:31 <@Shadow404> *versions
15:31 <@Shadow404> all the new ones have a feel of pretention
15:43 < RangerZ> ok wtf http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUjEMo7OeYE
15:43 < GateKeeper> Title: Final Fantasy VIII PC Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:43 < RangerZ> ff8 on PC .... NOW...
15:43 < RangerZ> where the fuck is my ps4 HD version of FF7
15:43 <@rattle> wah wah wah, there's gonna' be freezing rain, wah wah wah.
15:43 <@rattle> y'all wussies.  :)
15:44 < RangerZ> i grew up in the 'ice belt'
15:44 < RangerZ> 'freezing rain' is a joke
15:44 <@rattle> We had freezing rain here last week.  70 car pile up here, 20 care pile up there.  No big deal.  shish. :)
15:45 <@wilpig> i've got one of my customers freaking out about that right now wanting me to setup an alternate installation for his website that is hosted there
15:45 < RangerZ> if you can't have 3 lanes of traffic drifting on ice
15:45 < RangerZ> then its the driver's fault
15:46 <@wilpig> and of course I could do it but i'm still waiting on his monthly backup to finish syncing off his server.  :-/
15:46 <@wilpig>  29G -rw-------. 1 root root  29G Dec  5 18:48 .webservices-FULL-2013-12-01.06:52.tgz.Gmx9uc
15:48 < aestetix> the penis mightier
15:48 < aestetix> rattle: oakland is going to hit 39 tonight :/
15:49 <@rattle> Wow.  Now that's catastrophic!
15:49 < aestetix> I knoq
15:49 < aestetix> know
15:49 <@wilpig> how is that bad?  bad is like saying dolemite has no beer.  or skydick showed up to something on time.  this weather nonsense is nothing
15:52 < aestetix> this is not good
15:52 < aestetix> I have developed an unhealthy addiction to candy crush
15:53 < aestetix> wilpig: basically, everyone in the bay area complaints if the weather drops below 50
15:53 < aestetix> or goes above 80
15:54 <@Mirage> wilpig: Dolemite w/o beer is bad..SkyDog being punctual is impossible.
15:55 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: Mandriva had urpmi as a method of installing remote repositories, even way back when, before Ubuntu was created.
15:56 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: What made me switch from Mandriva to Ubuntu was their stumble when they acquired Conectiva and took far too long to integrate the two projects together
15:56 <@wilpig> Mirage: skydick being punctual could signify the end of the universe and the gates of hell have opened up and spewed forth every foul creature that you could imagine
15:57 <@Corydon76-work> wilpig: I would prefer if discussion of that person was nevermore.  It just causes my blood pressure to rise, and nothing good can come of it.
15:57 <@wilpig> understood
15:58 <@wilpig> btw was that first invoice we had got from francis?
15:58 <@Dolemite> Then don't watch FOX 17 news
15:58 <@Dolemite> He was on there a week or so ago
15:58 <@Corydon76-work> wilpig: I had to practically beg them to send one
15:58 <@Corydon76-work> and speaking of beer:  https://adventuresci.thankyou4caring.org/science-of-beer-tickets
15:58 < GateKeeper> Title: Science of Beer Tickets - Adventure Science Center (at adventuresci.thankyou4caring.org)
15:58 <@wilpig> lol.  k.  I kinda figured that might be the case with them
15:59 <@Corydon76-work> and yes, the invoices have been paid
15:59 <@wilpig> good deal.  just making sure we stay in good graces with them.
16:00 <@Corydon76-work> NotLarry asked me about it before Thanksgiving, right while I was managing a crisis with a work app
16:00 < aestetix> http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2013/12/download-copy-of-your-gmail-and-google.html
16:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Official Gmail Blog: Download a copy of your Gmail and Google Calendar data (at gmailblog.blogspot.com)
16:01 < aestetix> nice!
16:01 <@Corydon76-work> Didn't write out the check until this week, but it should be in their mail today
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16:25 <@rattle> Food for thought:  http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%2Fm%2F0bdxs5%2C%20%2Fm%2F05htt%2C%20%2Fm%2F027m_21&cmpt=q
16:25 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Trends (at www.google.com)
16:26 <@Dagmar> Oh lol
16:26 <@wilpig> Corydon76-work: osx host connecting to whatever host with -X  so ssh -X otherserver
16:27 <@wilpig> when i'm on that console what do I have to do to the osx box to make X apps forward to the osx desktop?
16:27 <@Corydon76-work> You need to start an X-server locally before doing the ssh command, and the X environment variables must be in your local environment
16:28 <@wilpig> I mistakenly thought osx just had one running
16:28 <@rattle> No, and they don't bundle it anymore.  You have to download and install it separately.
16:28 <@Corydon76-work> This usually means starting the ssh from an xterm running within the X server environment, but simply copying out those environment variables to Terminal.app or iTerm.app should be sufficient
16:28 <@wilpig> http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5293
16:28 < GateKeeper> Title: About X11 and OS X (at support.apple.com)
16:32 <@Corydon76-work> Also, certain apps may have X11 integration built-in.  For example, iSSH on the iPad will allow you to forward X11 apps to appear on the iPad itself
16:32 <@Corydon76-work> Given that X11 runs on a non-secured port (6000), I'm sure there's some apps for the Mac that also will permit this.
16:32 <@wilpig> not worried about that.  was just trying to get virt-manager to come up
16:37 <@wilpig> rattle, Corydon76-work: that worked.  thx
16:42 <@Dagmar> Disappointed in last night's show.
16:42 <@Dagmar> Not enough tattoos
16:43 <@wilpig> was it better than just sitting at home?
16:43 < nachoguy> how was the low self esteem?  pretty high?
16:45 <@rattle> Shit.
16:45 <@rattle> Nelson Mandela just died
16:52 <@Shadow404> there goes the neighborhood
16:56 <@brimstone> X11 forwarding? what is this 1997?
16:57 <@wilpig> yes
16:57 <@brimstone> "yes" <-- this guy
17:03 < aestetix> rattle: to be fair it was a long time coming
17:03 < RangerZ>  y/o
17:03 < RangerZ> 95 y/o
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17:09 <@rattle> Yes, it was totally anticipated.  Still sad.  A truly good man.
17:09 < aestetix> oh wow
17:10 < aestetix> I fucking hate activists who are using Mandela to push their own agenda.
17:10 < aestetix> "Despite America's embrace of a whitewashed Mandela, there are still anti-apartheid prisoners being held in the USA. "
17:10 < aestetix> How about "Let's take a moment of silence to remember him."
17:10 <@rattle> Oh, don't worry, the malware campaigns will start shortly as well.  Right now, somewhere, someone is compiling something and crafting bait emails and web pages.
17:12 < aestetix> sigh
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17:20 < RangerZ> rattle: don't complain
17:20 < RangerZ> otherwise you wouldn't have a job
17:20 < RangerZ> lol
17:29 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar:  need any more 32GB microSD cards?  tigerdirect has them for the same price as BB did a couple days ago
17:29 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=1382126&sku=P33-9018
17:29 < GateKeeper> Title: Patriot PSF32GMCSDHC43P MicroSDHC Flash Card - 32GB, Class 4 at TigerDirect.com (at www.tigerdirect.com)
17:30 <@Dagmar> Nope.  I think four was enough for now
17:30 <@Dagmar> It looks like there's going to be steady availability for class 10 32Gb through Christmas
17:30 <@Dagmar> The weather is about to get fucked
17:31 < sasquatc2> microcenter always has them that cheap
17:31 < sasquatc2> http://www.microcenter.com/category/4294966794/Flash-Memory-and-Card-Readers
17:31 < GateKeeper> Title: Flash Memory & Card Readers : Electronics : Micro Center (at www.microcenter.com)
17:31 < sasquatc2> and at class 10 instead of 4
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17:31 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar:  oh, is the storm supposed to actually hit Nashville now?
17:31 <@Corydon76-work> instead of barely missing us?
17:32 <@Dagmar> Dude, it's going to go down to freezing tonight and tay there
17:32 <@Dagmar> ANything that falls tomorrow is very likely to stick around
17:32 <@Dagmar> ...and you're talking about "tomorrow" and expecting precision in forecasting.  You know better
17:34 <@Corydon76-work> All I really give a shit about is whether I'm likely to lose power.  Because without power, I'm crippled.
17:34 <@Corydon76-work> If I've got power, I don't give a shit.  Remember, I work from _home_
17:36 <@Corydon76-work> btw, Geek Social tonight at Flying Saucer (Nashville) at 6.  Free food.  No recruiters.
18:05 <@brimstone> the recruiters at the meetups here in atlanta are very well behaved
18:05 <@brimstone> (in general)
18:13 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, but Geek Social specifically excludes recruiters
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19:00 <@Shadow404> brimstone: which geek meetups?
19:00 <@Shadow404> do tell?
19:22 <@SuMo_D> Hacking notebooks (more kid oriented but awesome) - webinar going on right now - join in here http://blog.nwp.org/educatorinnovator/webinars/
19:23 <@SuMo_D> by the people doing the LED stickers project
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19:28 < aestetix> ugh
19:29 < aestetix> nothing sucks more than getting an email "sorry the position has been filled" literally 10 minutes before you submit a code challenge answer"
19:52 < aestetix> what the fuck google
19:52 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/vermicelli/status/408759953193586688
19:52 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / vermicelli: I wonder why Google+ has custom ... (at twitter.com)
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21:28 < aestetix> ok so
21:28 < aestetix> is it just at will states, or is everyone in the US constantly afraid of losing their jobs?
21:29 <@Dagmar> The latter.
21:29 <@Dagmar> ...because there pretty much isn't a thing called a "right to work" unless you're in a uniion
21:36 < aestetix> And corporations that exist solely to make profit treat employees as replaceable cogs in a machine
21:41 < RangerZ> corp law could be rewritten to put fiduciary responsibility to the employees, but we don't have that
21:42 < aestetix> like a co-op?
21:42 < RangerZ> lots of ways
21:43 < RangerZ> just write it into the law, and let 'the creative free market ' decide how best to do it
21:43 < RangerZ> lol
21:43 < aestetix> yes just write something into the law, it's easy enough :p
21:43 < RangerZ> basically remove the legal requirement that employees are a BAD thing
21:43 < aestetix> what requirement?
21:44 < RangerZ> corps have only 1 responsibility to shareholders
21:44 < RangerZ> not to public, not to employees
21:44 < RangerZ> etc
21:44 < aestetix> oh got it
21:44 < RangerZ> if a CEO could be taken to court b/c he didn't care about employees
21:44 < RangerZ> *needs to go change pants*
21:45 < RangerZ> holy fuck... A- in AI
21:45 < RangerZ> yeah... no way in hell I'm touching the final, not letting that grade drop
21:45 < RangerZ> lol
21:45 <@Dagmar> I was about to say 'Now don't go doing anything hasty, man"
21:54 < RangerZ> lol
21:54 < RangerZ> pretty much
22:09 <@SuMo_D> cogs in a machine... always reminds me of PRC songs from the cultural revolution...
22:09 <@SuMo_D> I want to be a shiny cog!
22:10 <@SuMo_D> that was the goal
22:23 < aestetix> It does seem like corporations have returned to a place of being evil incarnate
22:26 <@SuMo_D> to quote the Romney corporations are people my friend, and peoples be eeeeeevil :P
22:33 < aestetix> SuMo_D: but I do think that the attitude of American corporations is the biggest problem in the country
22:33 <@SuMo_D> yes
22:33 < aestetix> Now that I think about it, pretty much every major issue we have is because of that.
22:34 <@SuMo_D> yep
22:34 < aestetix> Health care -- treating health like a profit industry. Same with education.
22:34 <@SuMo_D> its that and then the entitlement shit
22:34 < aestetix> Thanks Ayn Rand
22:34 < aestetix> which entitlement shit?
22:35 <@SuMo_D> with younger generations... the I deserve to be number 1! without paying dues or knowing shit
22:35 <@SuMo_D> I showed up, why don't you loves me
22:35 < aestetix> oh
22:35 <@SuMo_D> that mixed with the rest of the toxic-ness
22:35 < aestetix> how bad is it with your students?
22:37 <@SuMo_D> eh... not too bad with the ones I have now
22:37 <@SuMo_D> I've had it really bad... when I was at Parsons and had freshman classes
22:37 < aestetix> Hmm
22:37 <@SuMo_D> holy crap... 18 years old in NYC and obviously knows everything
22:38 < aestetix> so there's an age thing at play?
22:38 <@SuMo_D> age for sure... I don't see the entitlement thing as much here in the south, but the traditional family structure is a lot stronger with the kids I'm interacting with normally
22:39 <@SuMo_D> not just immediate but multi-generational
22:39  * oddball makes the blueray player work on his linux box
22:40 <@SuMo_D> go oddball :)
22:40 < aestetix> it sound slike the 17-23 year old age range is just godawful to deal with
22:40 <@SuMo_D> yeah
22:41 <@SuMo_D> can be
22:41 <@SuMo_D> some are great... they have that wide eyed energy that is going to change the world
22:41 <@oddball> I think that's true with every generation at that age... it's just a question of magnitude.
22:42 <@SuMo_D> yep
22:42 < aestetix> well
22:42 < aestetix> the othr thing to consider
22:42 < aestetix> it's enhanced by twitter/etc
22:42 < aestetix> the value of a newspaper like WSJ is that there are experienced editors sorting out facts, etc
22:42 < aestetix> So it's less reactionary.
22:42 <@SuMo_D> the act of I tweeted it so I did something... is def something I've seen some of
22:43 <@SuMo_D> like... I conceived this great project and we did it for a day and I documented it! So yeah! World changed!
22:43 <@oddball> I will also have to say that there's been a good bit of teaching the up coming generation that they're all special snow flakes.
22:43 <@oddball> Who can't play in their front yard because it's dangerous.
22:43 < aestetix> oddball: the higher you are, the farther you can fall :)
22:44 <@SuMo_D> then I ask the same kids 2-3 months later... so... what about that thing that you changed the world with.... and they're like yeah... we're doing a different way to change the world now, that's so 3 months ago
22:45 < aestetix> lo
22:45 < aestetix> lol
22:45 <@SuMo_D> the act of presenting the narrative of world change becomes more important than actually digging in and doing the hard work and sticking through through all the unavoidable shit that comes up when doing projects with others and projects bigger than yourself
22:46 < aestetix> SuMo_D: you've met Jake, right? :)
22:46 <@SuMo_D> yes
22:46 <@SuMo_D> lol
22:47 < aestetix> no further comment ;)
22:47 <@SuMo_D> yeah I only met him once or twice... but... yes
22:47 <@SuMo_D> that
22:47 <@SuMo_D> lol
23:14 <@SuMo_D> http://digitalis.nwp.org/resource/5374
23:14 < GateKeeper> Title: Digital Is (at digitalis.nwp.org)
23:14 <@SuMo_D> aestetix you might enjoy that
23:14 < RangerZ> holy fuck... you have to download an install a 3rd party app, if you want to disable UAC for a single program
23:15 < RangerZ> 'i want this program to be able to change the hard drive' ... no ...i DO...
23:15 < aestetix> I'm starting to understand why in the 60s they tried to do away with corporations altogether
23:17 < RangerZ> see. I don't think we should 'do away with'
23:17 < RangerZ> i think the changing shareholders vs 'the world' is the key
23:19 < aestetix> Not suggesting we should. I'm just saying I understand why they tried to.
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23:41 <@oddball> I think a good part of it is that the stock holders/management have stopped looking largely for long term success, and more for short term profits.
23:41 < aestetix> yeah
23:41 < aestetix> The notion of pension is basically gone.
23:42 <@oddball> long term = good investments, R&D, and good customer service.
23:42 <@oddball> short term = none of that.
23:42 < aestetix> So the other thing here
23:42 < aestetix> Take engineers. If you treat them like shit, they will not care about their work as much.
23:42 < aestetix> Whichmay actually go a ways to explain all the hackings we've seen recently.
23:42 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSSB84rWexc hehehe... yes... "women are people, too" because they... forget... that
23:42 < GateKeeper> Title: GOP Classes: Women Are People, Too | Sensitivity Training For Candidates - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:43 < aestetix> I could totally see Sony getting hacked because of a security hole left by an employee who didn't give enough of a shit to fix it.
23:44 < aestetix> s/Sony/any company/
23:44 <@oddball> aestetix: While that's true, that's a slightly different issue.  The idea of a business actually wanting to retain someone for most/all of their working career at the same place is almost unheard of now.
23:44 < aestetix> oddball: which is fucking sad.
23:44 < RangerZ> there was that fucking study where 50% of IT would give up their root password if someone was nice to them and gave them a kitkat bar
23:44 < aestetix> Honestly, I'd prefer to spend 30 years working at a small company that appreciated me.
23:45 < RangerZ> *looks at wilpig*
23:45 < aestetix> RangerZ: well sure
23:45 < RangerZ> *dangles kitkat bar*
23:45 < aestetix> RangerZ: I'm an employee. I give up the password, maybe I'll get fired.
23:45 <@oddball> No one wants to hire someone they have to train, and there's very little promotion from within from "the floor" to management.  Even on a the small scale, it's much more likely that people will have to leave for another company to get a promotion.
23:46 < aestetix> If I am the CEO and an employee gives up the password, my reputation takes a hit.
23:46 < aestetix> oddball: I guess training an employee involves long term planning
23:46 <@oddball> RangerZ: Did the study look outside of IT?  I'm guessing it would be about 90% if they tried that.
23:47 < aestetix> oddball: yeah. Like any McDonalds employee
23:47 < RangerZ> only IT, b/c IT are about the only ones who can DESTROY a company now (they think)
23:47 < aestetix> If I worked at mcdonalds and someone paid me $100 for the password to the cash register
23:47 < aestetix> I'd be like "fuck yes!"
23:47 <@oddball> aestetix: Yeah... There's also fear that the employee will stick around long enough to get trained, and then go elsewhere.
23:47 < aestetix> oddball: which is why you offer a pension and benefits so they want to stay
23:48 < aestetix> You know
23:48 < RangerZ> i'm just glad healthcare is going to slowly move out of jobs
23:48 < aestetix> It's ironic that all the republicans are decrying the loss of family values when they are destroying company values
23:49 < aestetix> RangerZ: any right wing nutter who says single payer is socialist or whatever.. ask them
23:49 < aestetix> "When you call the police, do you expect to get billed for their work?"
23:50 <@oddball> aestetix: And they will respond that they do... every year as part of their property tax.
23:51 < aestetix> So why not increase that property tax a bit and cover health care under it too?
23:52 < RangerZ> property taxs have their own issues
23:52 < RangerZ> it leads to issues with wealthy areas getting better schools, etc
23:52 < RangerZ> thats why Ohio its unconstitutional to fund schools through property taxes , but everyone does, and they don't know how to stop it
23:53 < RangerZ> but they call them "levies" not "taxes"
23:53 < RangerZ> income tax is the solution
23:53 < RangerZ> we just have been taught to think income tax is the problem
23:53 < RangerZ> if we get rid of the cap on social security tax, it will never go insolvent
23:53 < aestetix> well
23:53 < aestetix> RangerZ: state income tax, I'd argue
23:54 < RangerZ> after 105,000$ you no longer pay social security tax
23:54 < aestetix> I would much rather have my taxes go to fund local police and local hospitals
23:54 < aestetix> And not give a cent to the DHS
23:54 < RangerZ> so would I, but we don't get to pick and choose
23:54 < RangerZ> we get to choose our reps
23:54 < aestetix> well
23:54 < aestetix> We don't get to choose about federal income tax
23:54 < RangerZ> then aestetix, make sure only good politicans get elected
23:55 < aestetix> state tax would be a state thing though, right?
23:55 < RangerZ> aestetix: no
23:55 < RangerZ> you get to choose about federal
23:55 < RangerZ> thats the POINT of the GOP
23:55 < aestetix> IIRC there's a supreme court decision about that.
23:55 < RangerZ> elect GOP if you want less taxes
23:55 < RangerZ> GOP = less taxs, more corp raping
23:56 < aestetix> you know
23:56 < aestetix> I actually side with republicans on a lot of stuff in this case.
23:56 < RangerZ> and bible thumpers, who think they control the GOP, but never have, and are getting pissed, which is where the real grass roots of the tea party is
23:56 < RangerZ> aestetix: no you don't
23:56 < RangerZ> you're a libertarian
23:56 < RangerZ> you believe in fairy dust
23:56 < RangerZ> ;)
23:56 < aestetix> no I'm not
23:56 < aestetix> I don't have a card :p
23:57 < RangerZ> even my 'actually registered libertarian' friend, knows its a joke
23:57 < aestetix> well yes
23:57 < aestetix> the idea of being registered as a libertarian is kind of.... ironic
23:58 < RangerZ> not really
23:58 < RangerZ> its not anarchy
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