--- Log opened Wed Dec 04 00:00:44 2013
00:02 < NotLarry> Good talk
00:12 < aestetix> NotLarry: what talk
00:12 < aestetix> Roseanne's sex talk?
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00:23 < aestetix> ugh
00:23 < aestetix> vagina
00:27 < NotLarry> the vagina talk you just posted on it
00:45 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFtSQi3xwho great comedy act
00:45 < GateKeeper> Title: War On Christmas Update From Bill OReilly On Fox News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:46 < RangerZ1> lulz
00:52 < NotLarry> so, I have a ticket to replace a lenght of fiber that has "tested bad" which is fishy on it's face.  I have a coworker who replaced it.  I go in to plug it up and find that someone has been clamping the top access plate (where they have run the fiber) down tight, effectivly pinching the new fiber run.
00:52 < NotLarry> *sigh*
00:53 < NotLarry> When I first got this job there seemed to be a basic level of competency needed to work here.  I guess I was wrong.
00:54 < RangerZ1> NotLarry: ...
00:54 < RangerZ1> you Dagmar and dolomite worked there
00:54 < RangerZ1> you're not helping your story ;)
00:55 < NotLarry> I have my running shears you know.
00:56 < NotLarry> And the geolocation device I planted in your pocket is still functioning perfectly.
00:56 < NotLarry> Not that those two statements are related
01:14 < RangerZ1> nor the emp I left at your desk
01:14 < RangerZ1> that has no relation to your past few statements either
01:34 < NotLarry> oh thank god
01:42 < aestetix> wilpig: wanna play catch?
01:42 < aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/AdIUa4V.gif nsfw
01:46 < aestetix> SuMo_D_: you should listen to that interview, you'd like it
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04:05 < aestetix> fuck you java
05:25 < Catonic_> oh yase
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05:32 < RangerZ1> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-254-112
05:33 < RangerZ1> anyone know anything about that monitor? for 99$ is it a good deal? (coupon code EMCYTZT4967 ) w/ free shipping
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07:19 <@Shadow404> twaldropInc2o1dia
07:20 <@Shadow404> er, what i was gonna post: https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/408009640664784896/photo/1
07:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / SpaceX: [PHOTO] Falcon 9 and SES-8 ... (at twitter.com)
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07:51 < Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:01 <@Shadow404> was up dole
08:01 <@Shadow404> hey, do you still play portal 2? ever done a co-op playthrough?
08:01 <@Dolemite> Portal 2 was mostly my son playing
08:04 <@Shadow404> ah, damn, ok
08:17 <@wilpig> bah.  damn network guys at it again.  I was hoping to work on something else this morning
08:32 <@Shadow404> what they do? trip over a network cable to a san again?
08:32 <@Shadow404> (had that actually happen once)
08:34 <@opticron> Shadow404, how the hell was the server room even setup to allow something like that to happen?
08:37 <@wilpig> opticron: cause every now and then we have temp cables laying in the middle of an aisle here
08:38 <@wilpig> and Shadow404 there is no san equipment here actually.  but no he's asking for 9 switches to be installed into a rack that's completely full
08:49 <@Dolemite> wilpig: Sounds like he needs some sort of data center capacity planning tool to track that shit
08:50 <@wilpig> yeah...  that isnt' the problem.  this is a problem is dumbshit network guys that have no concept of inventory or space management.
08:52 <@wilpig> Dolemite: also I have the sql dump and looking into it
08:52 <@wilpig> something odd is happening for sure. 
08:52 <@wilpig> something nuked out the device i'm looking for between the time when the ports array is built and the time it is written into the db
08:53 <@wilpig> there isn't a single entry in fac_Ports for this device at all
09:01 <@Shadow404> opticron: exactly what wilpig said, it was for a temporary install, but got left like that for 2 weeks into the production staging until that mishap and they quickly ran the cables like they were supposed to
09:02 <@Dolemite> I trust nothing that someone labels as 'temporary'
09:02 <@Shadow404> and guess who they hired on the fly to do the run in the crawlspace cause they couldnt wait for a contractor?
09:02 <@Dolemite> Temporary is what they call anything less than 5 years
09:02 <@Shadow404> was supposed to be on week
09:02 <@Shadow404> turned into 3 until this happened
09:02 <@Shadow404> *one
09:05 <@wilpig> I knew it!  it was a duplicate key!
09:06  * Shadow404 claps wildly and manicly......although sarcastically in wilpig's general direction
09:06 <@wilpig> he's one of the asshats that didn't fix these in the 2.1 update
09:22 <@wilpig> Dolemite: when we did 2.0 or 2.1 and we added in the restrictions to the connections tables apparently we didn't do the duplicate key checking on the patch connections table
09:23 <@wilpig> so what's happening on this is he has a duplicated connection in one or more patch panels and when it is going in to make those connections it is failing on the sql
09:24 <@wilpig> this is a fringe case that somehow got missed in the port conversion.  
09:26 <@Shadow404> bahaha, watching the pogo for "Hook" and the fat black kid is on the video dancing and i keep remembering the line on family guy when they poke fun at the chubby dance from the goonies and Peter goes "Child Obesity is fun, neeyaahhh"
09:26 <@Shadow404> keep laughing at work and getting strange looks
09:33 <@Shadow404> er, truffle shuffle: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21Q2eFErK8M
09:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Truffle shuffle (Family Guy) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:41 <@Dolemite> I'm thinking it was 1.5 to 2.0 that we put in the unique key restrictions
09:46 < SuMo_D_> aestetix which interview? the porn thing?
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10:24 <@Dolemite> Um, that was interesting.
10:25 <@Dolemite> Apparently the webchat node I came in through got K-Lined for "bitcoin pump and dump"
10:25 <@opticron> huh
10:31 <@Dolemite> That was the K-Line message I got on my end
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> Isn't that the essence of Bitcoin in the first place?
10:35 <@Corydon76-work> Its massive swings in valuation make it a commodity, not suitable for use as a currency
10:46 <@wilpig> Dolemite: fix sent
10:56 <@Shadow404> wilpig: you got fixed? woot, were all saved
10:57 <@Dolemite> wilpig: Just got off of the phone with the CoolSim guy.  I am going to make him an XML API.  Should be pretty cool.
10:57 <@Dolemite> He has almost as much disdain for the commercial DCIM vendors as I do.  heh.
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11:53 <@wilpig> Dolemite: xml?  seems most everyone else is going json
11:58 <@oddball> huh... NewEgg decided to split my order into two and send part of it via UPS and the rest via FedEx.
11:59 <@wilpig> isn't that weird when they do that?
12:00 <@Corydon76-work> Different warehouses?
12:00 <@oddball> And to taunt me further, it looks like I'll get the RAID enclosure sometime today via UPS, and... uh... "soon" via FedEx (the tracking number just says that it's been initiated).
12:00 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: That is possible.
12:00 <@oddball> Sorry, I should get the hard drives "soon."
12:01 <@Corydon76-work> Another possibility that I've seen is that orders packed after a certain cutoff time get shipped by a different carrier that has a later pickup time
12:01 <@oddball> yeah
12:01 <@wilpig> oddball there is something you should know before you get that.  there are dip switches on it.  flip #3 on
12:01 <@wilpig> don;t need to touch the rest
12:01 <@wilpig> that is on the top set
12:01 <@oddball> umm... ok?
12:01 <@Mirage> My fav is when they do that and the UPS "3-day" arrives the next day, whereas the FedEX one goes to 5 states and flies over the destination 3 times in order to deliver it on the proper "3-day" time.
12:01 <@wilpig> the bottom set of dip switches controls the power to the bays
12:03 <@oddball> I guess the power dip switches are if you want to set up a 3 drive RAID 5 with a spare drive already in place?
12:03 <@wilpig> yeah or if you want to turn off a bay for whatever reason
12:03 <@Corydon76-work> Mirage:  I've witnessed that, too, but it makes more sense if you know where the distribution/sorting centers are located
12:04 <@Corydon76-work> UPS looks downright amazing if you don't realize that the regional sorting center for this area is in Nashville.
12:05 <@Corydon76-work> It's why UPS Ground shipped from anywhere south of Indianapolis will arrive next day in Nashville.
12:05 <@oddball> My favorite shipping bit was when I ordered those kukris from Nepal.  They went from Nepal, to the U.A.E, to Germany (I think), NY, and then to my place.  Everyone spelled my name right except New York.
12:05 <@wilpig> who can't spell oddball?
12:05 <@Corydon76-work> How did they manage to mangle "Michael"?
12:06 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Actually, it was my last name.
12:06 <@Dolemite> Which external RAID did you go with?
12:06 < Synx|hm_> Corydon76-work: im having a RFC2833 concept issue
12:06 <@wilpig> the same one I have
12:06 <@wilpig> the cineraid
12:06 <@Dolemite> I have one similar
12:06 <@oddball> And the thing is, by the time it hit New York, they literally had 3 examples on the box of how to properly spell it.
12:07 < Synx|hm_> Corydon76-work: i dont understand how a firewall would konw to allow a DTMF packet into a network if its outofband
12:07 <@wilpig> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816856039
12:07 <@Dolemite> oddball: How can they screw up 'Ball'?
12:07 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm_: same way you get voice
12:07 <@Dolemite> Oh, wait, your real last name ;)(
12:07 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm_: do you get one-way audio when you make a SIP call?
12:08 < Synx|hm_> Corydon76-work: i understand how i specify the ports in SDP, but how does the firewall know to read SDP, would that be built into something like pfsense?
12:08 < Synx|hm_> nope i get both paths
12:08 < Synx|hm_> however i do not get return DTMF
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12:08 <@oddball> As for actually screwing up "oddball," you'd be surprised.  I think I've had the guys at LaserQuest get it right maybe 3 times.
12:09 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm_: another possibility is that your remote SIP proxy is Cisco, which royally fucked up how they transmit DTMF
12:10 < Synx|hm_> i have tried through asterisk with both googlevoice and flowroute, and also tried completely skipping asterisk and registering direct with my softphone
12:10 <@Corydon76-work> although I thought it was mostly fixed now
12:11 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm_: flowroute provides sample SIP configs for Asterisk.  Did you try those?
12:11 <@oddball> got damn temprature bounces...
12:11  * oddball shoves tissue paper up his nose to keep that red liquid in.
12:12 < Synx|hm_> Corydon76-work: yup exact one
12:12 < Synx|hm_> no clue whats going on here
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12:14 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I don't know.
12:14 <@Corydon76-work> I still use IAX2 for my incoming toll-free numbers
12:14 <@Shadow404> oddball: tampons work too, might have a few in your purse
12:14  * Shadow404 ducks
12:14 < Synx|hm_> its very odd, even if i call from one peer to another peer direct on my LAN routed through asterisk (noreinvite) i dont get the DTMF at the answering party
12:15 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: he wants to stem the bleeding, not soak it all up
12:15 <@Shadow404> cotton serves as a coagulation point
12:15 <@oddball> Shadow404: You know... I'm getting a knew shipment of knives today...
12:15 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but tampons and pads are designed essentially as diapers, instead of blockers
12:16 <@Corydon76-work> Gauze works better to block the flow and help clotting.
12:16 <@oddball> And before anyone sugests it, I'm not snorting quick clot.
12:17 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: I'd actually suggest a humidifier, since that's likely the root cause
12:17 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Oh, I've got one, and I run it in the winter months.
12:17  * Shadow404 wonders why Corydon76-work knows so much about the science of pads and tampons
12:17 <@oddball> The root cause right now is the whole "it's 30, it's 70, it's 50" crap.
12:18 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: I've been reviewing the literature recently after someone posted bullshit on Facebook about diapers
12:18 <@oddball> barometric preasure is all over the place.
12:19 <@Shadow404> yeah, i got major headaches yesterday, and it wasnt work
12:20 <@oddball> Oh, on a related bit: I've been told that soldier didn't used to carry tampons for dealing with bullet wounds.  They used maxi pads.
12:20 <@oddball> (they now have significantly better gauze designed to be the first layer)
12:20 <@Shadow404> now adays its a huge rubber pand and some wooden handles
12:21 <@Shadow404> bascially the method to stop bleeding nowadays on arms and legs is to clamp off flow until it can get to a doctor
12:21 <@Shadow404> *band
12:21 <@Shadow404> simple yet, super effective
12:22 <@oddball> Shadow404: No, they carry those two, but they also carry "Isreali gauze" which are impregnated with quick clot (among other things).
12:22 <@oddball> s/two/too
12:22 <@wilpig> oddball: I think you're a pussy for not snorting quick clot
12:23  * oddball hands wilpig some of the old stuff that had a thermal reaction and tells him to go first.
12:23 <@Shadow404> i was gonna say that
12:23 <@Shadow404> show us how its done wilpig
12:24  * wilpig gets out a mirror and a razor blade
12:25 <@oddball> I went to a class on how to deal with bullet wounds a while back (thought it was a good idea since I spend so much time around guns).  One thing I found was interesting was that military medical and civilian medical tend to refuse to talk to each other, and often have... significantly different... opinions on things.
12:26 <@Shadow404> they do, but they operate in completely diffrent theatres
12:26 <@Shadow404> its not like Grady Memorial Hospital sees legs blown off on a daily basis
12:26 <@wilpig> and they both operate in the same theater is batman is showing
12:27 <@Shadow404> so their way of operating (pun) is way different
12:27 <@wilpig> s/is\ batman/if\ batman/
12:30 <@Shadow404> Matt Berry and Rich Fulcher are halarious
12:30 <@oddball> Yeah... there's a good bit of that, but there's also things like a lot of civilian medical folks still believe that tourniquets = loss of limb, while the military has seen that that's simply not true.
12:31 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: there's also a difference in the speed at which civilian medical and military medical get the patient into surgery
12:31 <@oddball> true
12:32 <@Corydon76-work> Every minute that passes with a tourniquet on reduces the chance that the patient will retain that limb
12:33 <@Corydon76-work> If you're out in the woods and you have to administer a tourniquet, that guy's going to lose that limb, because you're not going to get him to the hospital any faster than an hour
12:33 <@oddball> Of course, until fairly recently, there was a good chance that you'd see medical attention significantly faster in a civilian setting than in a military.
12:34 <@Corydon76-work> Depends upon where you are
12:34 <@Shadow404> yeah, those miltary helicopter medical pilots are amazing
12:34 <@Shadow404> theres a great documentary on it
12:34 <@Corydon76-work> If you're in the middle of LA, sure.  In the Ozarks hunting, probably not.
12:34 <@Shadow404> which is where i saw them explain the new techniques
12:34 <@Shadow404> like they are giving way more plasma than blood now
12:34 <@Shadow404> like 5:1 ratio
12:34 <@Shadow404> which is improving survival rates
12:35 <@Shadow404> and this is already being trialed by the NHS
12:35 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: aren't they also using artificial plasma?
12:35 <@Shadow404> not sure about that
12:35 <@Shadow404> i just heard abotu the change in ratio
12:35 <@oddball> Shadow404: Add to that that the military is now giving just about everyone some medical training and handing them a blow out kit.
12:35 <@Shadow404> oddball: overall amazing
12:35 <@Shadow404> i think they should teach the same thing in high school
12:35 <@Shadow404> as a requirement
12:35 <@oddball> Absolutely.
12:35 <@Corydon76-work> Everybody needs at least a little medical training.  I think they should teach a CPR class in high school
12:36 <@Corydon76-work> Or even earlier
12:36 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: they did at my school, required course to graduate
12:36 <@Shadow404> whole school was certified
12:36 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: A lot of schools do.  I know mine made it a requirement.
12:36 <@oddball> We had the option of taking either CPR of lifeguarding.
12:36 <@Shadow404> but treating gun wounds or similar life threatning training should be given
12:37 <@Shadow404> i dont care if its too gruesome, it should be a requirement
12:37 <@Dolemite> They require a certain ratio of people in each building here to be certified and they usually get enough volunteers so that they never have to assign someone to take it.  I think it's smart to be CPR certified.
12:38 <@oddball> Especially since the proper response as a first responder to a gun shot is the same as to any puncture wound.
12:38 <@Dolemite> What I think is stupid is the new CPR/AED certification - the point of an AED is that ANYBODY should be able to use it, but at least if you identify those certified, in case the thing malfunctions they can go keep up traditional CPR
12:39 <@oddball> Shadow404: Unfortunately, a large part of the problem with doing that is the liability issues for treating someone. :/
12:39 <@Dolemite> Good Samaritan Laws need to be consistently passed in every State
12:40 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: i agree with that so much
12:40 <@Corydon76-work> Dolemite: It's unfortunately far more likely for someone to screw up manual CPR than an AED to malfunction
12:40 <@Corydon76-work> It's not like the AED is running embedded Windows or anything like that.
12:40 <@oddball> And there are apparently still civvy doctors that think that quick clot is the devil.
12:40 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: Yeah, plus the fatigue issue.  It takes a LOT to do CPR effectively.
12:40 <@oddball> yep
12:40 <@Corydon76-work> And it takes a lot to avoid overdoing infant CPR
12:41 <@oddball> Just about every instructor I've had has said "oh, if you're doing it right, chances are you *will* break their ribs.
12:41 <@oddball> (for an adult)
12:41 <@Corydon76-work> Right
12:42 <@Corydon76-work> In the same vein, I only recently made sure that I had aspirin on hand at the house... for potential heart attacks
12:47 <@Shadow404> not sure about your health, but your getting to the age range where they become more common statistically, good idea on your part
12:47 <@Shadow404> i think ill pick some up too
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13:55 <@wilpig> Dolemite: you saw the email that I solved that issue right?
13:56 <@Dolemite> I did, and saw his reply
13:58 < Synx|hm_> im going to have to take the day off
13:59 < Synx|hm_> ive almost send off 2 emails today that in a round about way told customers to go fuck themselves
14:00 <@wilpig> they won't understand that.  you have to be explicit when you tell them to fuck themselves.
14:00 <@wilpig> diagrams will help
14:04 <@Dolemite> wilpig has an extensive collection of said diagrams
14:05 <@Shadow404> well Corydon76-work has diagrams for maxi pads and tampons, so im not too surprised
14:05 <@Mirage> omg..someone has jacked something up in our test lab's network bad..running a yum update for a host, it's pulling down updates at a whopping 5-10 B/s.
14:11 < Synx|hm_> i need someonething really simple to convert base 10 to base 2, math in vb
14:11 < Synx|hm_> hrm
14:11 < Synx|hm_> i do a shit ton of mod()'s but something more elegant and simple would be nice
14:12 <@Mirage> so LOG -> BIN?
14:12 < Synx|hm_> Decimal to Binary
14:14 <@Mirage> I thought Logarithm was base 10
14:14 < Synx|hm_> logs can have different bases, right?
14:14 < Synx|hm_> natural log etc
14:15 <@Mirage> yeah.
14:15 < Synx|hm_> fuck nm im crazy no need to do this conversion
14:15 <@oddball> log can have different bases.
14:15 <@oddball> It's the inverse of an exponent.
14:15 <@Corydon76-work> Well, the log() function in C is base 10...
14:15 <@Mirage> isn't natural log based on e?
14:15 < Synx|hm_> think so
14:15 <@oddball> Mirage: yes
14:15 <@Corydon76-work> Yes.  ln() function in C
14:16 <@Mirage> base 10 is the "default" logarithm
14:16 <@oddball> Typically, if you see a log function with no given base, it's assumed to be 10.
14:16 <@Corydon76-work> It's only the default in some types of mathematics
14:16 <@Corydon76-work> In others, it's the natural log
14:16 <@Corydon76-work> and for computers, base 2 is the default.
14:23 <@oddball> sounds like Naienko has an interview this afternoon.
14:24 <@Shadow404> doing what?
14:27 <@wilpig> Dolemite, Mirage, Dagmar, NotLarry:  so peter turned in his notice?  lol
14:28 <@Dolemite> He did!?
14:28 <@wilpig> yup
14:28 <@wilpig> just got word from the inside
14:28 <@Dolemite> Heh.  Where's he going?
14:28 <@wilpig> no clue just out of vandy
14:28 <@Dolemite> wow
14:28 <@Dolemite> Well.  Looks like a whole lotta shakin' up soon.
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14:31 <@Mirage> Dagmar said he'd heard that rumour yesterday, but that it was unconfirmed.
14:32 <@Mirage> If peter leaves, they won't even have his legacy knowledge of the ITS services to fall back on...god help the unix environment
14:32 < nachoguy> DOn't worry
14:33 < nachoguy> some new mba will either move it all to windows 8.1 server (metro AD), or... to the cloud!
14:33 <@Mirage> I'm not worried..i feel sorry for the students and researchers..but also hope for Hogan's sake that everything goes up in flames in the most dramatic way possible.
14:33 <@Dolemite> They've already tried some ofthat
14:33 <@Dolemite> heh
14:34 < nachoguy> I don't know all the players, but why would Hogan benefit from flames?
14:34  * oddball hesitates in applying for that NOC job.
14:34 <@Dolemite> Hogan is a turd that deserves to burn in said flames
14:34 <@oddball> hopefully, I'll get that job with the state anyways.
14:34 <@Mirage> Dolemite: put politely
14:34 < nachoguy> Ah
14:35 <@Dolemite> Hogan is the impetus for most of the grief at VU ITS among our friends
14:35 < nachoguy> the phrasing of "for Hogan's sake" made me thing he was someone to be spared, not crushed under the bootheel
14:35 <@Mirage> Not any more..most have left.
14:36 <@Mirage> nachoguy: it was phrased exactly right..he deserves to have everything come crushing down around him with noone else to blame but himself
14:36 < nachoguy> fair enough.  I missed the intent
14:37 <@oddball> Shadow404: Sounds like a PHP dev job.
14:50 <@Shadow404> cool
14:58 < aestetix> penis
14:58 < aestetix> wilpig: you should play my radio interview for your coworkers
15:03 < frsilent> just read you guys talking about first-aid up there
15:03 < frsilent> we did all sorts of training in the military & did some overseas; when we got out my buddy became an EMT
15:03 < frsilent> biggest thing about a crisis is a lot of times people just start aghast at the situation
15:03 <@oddball> yep
15:04 < frsilent> instead of showing some fucking initiative to apply pressure & stop the bleed
15:04 <@Shadow404> yeah, oddly enough, im the one that usually jumps straight and directing things
15:04 <@Shadow404> i dont get easily shaken up nowadays
15:04 < frsilent> that's half the battle right there; just doing something without waiting
15:05 <@Shadow404> like ive been the one running toward the scene of an accident and stabilizing things till paramedics arrive
15:05 <@Shadow404> from applying pressure, to getting blankets
15:05 <@Shadow404> to calming people down or keeping them still
15:05 <@Shadow404> instead of the rubber neckers and gaawkers
15:06 <@Shadow404> ive nver understood how you can just stand there and stare without doing something
15:08 <@wilpig> ikr?  at least get our a phone and shoot some amateur video to sell to the news
15:09 <@Shadow404> or post it straight to youtube
15:11 < aestetix> man
15:11 < aestetix> penis is such a great word
15:14 <@Shadow404> i prefer vagina, but to each his own
15:14 < aestetix> both are great
15:18 <@rattle> Best when together.
15:24 <@Shadow404> rattle has a good point
15:24 <@Shadow404> just stay away from con skank
15:24 <@Shadow404> ...doh, ooh wait
15:25  * aestetix steps away from Shadow404 
15:28 < aestetix> what are other great words
15:28 < aestetix> besides penis and vagina
15:28 <@Shadow404> boobs
15:28 <@Shadow404> nipples
15:29 < aestetix> taint?
15:29 < aestetix> what about howard?
15:29 <@Shadow404> what is howard?
15:30 < aestetix> ask wilpig
15:31 <@Shadow404> wilpig: ?
15:35 <@Dagmar> Goddamnnit
15:36 <@Dagmar> DOA installed this brand-new laptop using fucking BIOS partitions, not a GPT.
15:36 <@Dagmar> Motherfucker won't boot RHEL desktop in legacy mode.
15:36 <@Dagmar> Motherfucker won't INSTALL in EFI boot mode, because the disk lacks a GPT.
15:38 <@Mirage> heheh...and I was just telling peter that IRC hadn't been the same the last couple days w/o you're tirades about ineptitude and/or idiocity.
15:38 <@Mirage> s/you're/your/
15:40 <@Dolemite> Later, kids!
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15:44 <@wilpig> Shadow404: it's my password to wow
15:45 <@Shadow404> oh, ok
15:45 <@Shadow404> better then leroyjenkins
15:46 <@Mirage> wilpig: i thought your password was "damnitwarren"
15:46 <@wilpig> that is often muttered but not my password
15:48 < aestetix> I thought your password was corydon69
15:59 <@wilpig> aestetix: have you looked at your tumblr site today?
16:01 <@Shadow404> penis.tumblr.com?
16:01 <@wilpig> http://aestetix.tumblr.com
16:01 < GateKeeper> Title: Aestetix (at aestetix.tumblr.com)
16:01 <@Shadow404> wilpig: i figured, i was being sarcastic.tumblr.com
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16:10 < aestetix> no
16:10 < aestetix> god that is hot
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16:33 < aestetix> http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2013/11/21/googles-role-in-woodland-child-pornography-arrest-raises-privacy-concerns/
16:37 <@wilpig> WHAT?!  Microsoft also developed Photo DNA to match pictures using just a pixel.
16:37 < aestetix> I'm also interesting in how tumblr is linked to them
16:38 < aestetix> ugh
16:38 < aestetix> On one hand, it's a huge privacy issue. On the other hand, it sounds like that guy needed to go to jail.
16:38 <@wilpig> they dude had a tumblr site
16:39 <@wilpig> and we use the microsoft photo scanner thing here too I just didn't know what's what it was called
16:39 < aestetix> yeah but, I am wondering how they knew that
16:39 <@wilpig> aestetix: those are both valid points.
16:40 < aestetix> I realy hope he didn't upload any of those photos to tumblr
16:40 < aestetix> I mean, having a collection of child porn is one thing. It sounds like this guy ALSO abused children though.
16:41 < aestetix> It's the difference between a sicko and a threat.
16:42 <@wilpig> curious on the picasa thing too.  did it upload hashes of every image on the system or just the hashes of what he added to his picasa account/album?
16:42 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: there's rarely a difference from what I understand
16:42 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: honestly I don't know, since I have no interest in child porn :)
16:42 < aestetix> But while I'd say they are both crimes, the latter is far more serious.
16:43 <@Dagmar> aestetix: From what I've seen of the news articles, there's seldom one without the other.
16:43 < aestetix> well that depends
16:43 < aestetix> I mean, this guy had 3000 images so that's one thing
16:43 <@Corydon76-work> Well, but the existence of the former drives the market for people to do the latter (and take photos)
16:43 < aestetix> What if I'm on 4chan and someone posts child porn and my browser caches it?
16:44 <@Dagmar> Not much.
16:44 <@Corydon76-work> The sickos are willing to pay for new images, and the only way to get new images is to abuse more kids
16:44 <@Dagmar> They're not interested in pursuing incidental and transitory "possession" of such images.
16:44 <@Corydon76-work> Basic profit motive is all that is needed there
16:44 <@Dagmar> Too many ways for people to create false positives, in just the way you suggested.
16:45 < aestetix> Dagmar: so it sounds like there's a threshold of some sort?
16:45 <@Shadow404> aestetix: just plain wow
16:45 <@Shadow404> finally looked at your tumblr
16:45 < aestetix> Shadow404: I hope you mean about the news article and not the point I'm making
16:45 < aestetix> oh
16:45 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yes.  They get the warrant, use DIRT to dig deeper, and if there's nothing worth pursuing they use what information they glean (if any) to get closer to where it came from
16:46 < aestetix> Fair enough.
16:46 <@wilpig> Dagmar: they are interested in pursuing those at this time.  they could use it as extra charges if someone had another agenda
16:46 < aestetix> I will say... it seems like there are a lot of stories about child porn. Is it really that big a thing?
16:46 <@oddball> aestetix: That threshhold depends largely on how ambitious the DA is.
16:46 < aestetix> oddball: good point
16:46 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: and they keep the computer for 2 years or whatever time they feel is necessary
16:47 <@Dagmar> Fucking up with a dodgy warrant is the thing LEOs do not want
16:47 <@Corydon76-work> So clear your cache if somebody misleads you into seeing child porn
16:47 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: assume you know how to.
16:48 <@oddball> Dagmar: 'cause cops *never* get dodgey warrents.
16:48 <@Corydon76-work> If you're on the seedier side of the Internet where somebody might induce you to look at something like that, you know how to clear your cache
16:48 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yeah but in extreme cases they do their damnedest to be sure the person is exceptionally guilty before they momve forward on anything obtained via a questionable warrant
16:49 <@Dagmar> It's the primary reason they don't regularly get the ability to flex those things slapped out of their hands.
16:49 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Yes, it really is that big of a thing
16:49 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: what if I'm working a desk job and someone sends me an attachment that contains child porn?
16:49 < aestetix> In the form of a resume
16:49 <@Shadow404> clearing your cache wont protect if you they do deep enough to do a hard drive analysis
16:49 <@Dagmar> Well, for one thing you don't hire them.
16:49 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah.... sometimes not so much.
16:50 <@Corydon76-work> Look no further than the practice of human trafficking, where the men are sold as physical slaves, the women as sex slaves, and the children are sold to child pornographers
16:50 <@Dagmar> For the other, you ring up the FBI and say "Hey, I have an email to send you with complete headers containing something deplorable someone sent me."
16:50 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: good solution, shows you detest and want them caught
16:50 <@Dagmar> THey're not going to nail you for possessing something some asshole sent you out of the blue.  They'll go nail *that* fucker to the wall.
16:50 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: I've had to make that call ebfore.
16:51 <@Shadow404> but if you were in a darker side of the itnernet......still kinda sketch
16:51 <@Dagmar> Steeltac called me up about an open Windows fileshare he stumbled across while I was working for DT&T
16:51 <@Shadow404> bbut best solution
16:51 < aestetix> So
16:51 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: actually, the suggestion is that you never, ever have child porn on your computers in any way, shape, or form, when you call the FBI
16:51 < aestetix> I'm also making the assumption that child porn is of like a 9 year old
16:51 < aestetix> and not a 17 year old
16:51 <@Corydon76-work> Because they WILL seize your computer
16:51 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: Well, that's all well and good, but I can say for certain that they don't get insane abou tit
16:51 <@oddball> Yeah... I would say that falls along the lines of a lot of things: the cops won't be terribly interested in you if you're the one that calls them.
16:51 <@wilpig> under 18 is child porn
16:52 < aestetix> wilpig: which causes issues in a state where age of consent is 16
16:52 <@Dagmar> I poked around that fileshare a bit, made sure it wasn't writeable by the world, called the FBI about 15 minutes later and explained the situation
16:52 <@wilpig> age of consent has nothing to do with pornography
16:52 < aestetix> "So, I can have sex with you and it's fine, but if I take photos of you I get arrested"
16:52 <@Dagmar> The IP address also hosted a webserver with the apparent owner's resume on it.
16:52 <@Dagmar> It was offline within two hours.
16:52 <@Shadow404> yeah, they really wont want to seize your gear, unlikely
16:52 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: yes, but it's a federal crime, not state
16:52 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: right. I'm just pointing out the conflict.
16:53 <@Corydon76-work> Or rather, it's usually both a state and a federal crime, but the federal crime supercedes
16:53 <@oddball> It does cause some issue with the wonderful world of the internet where the child porn line is at a younger age in other countries.
16:53 < aestetix> Like the vatican, where age of consent is 12, iirc :p
16:53 <@Corydon76-work> Or the Netherlands, a much more common example, where the AoC is 14.
16:54 <@oddball> heh... well, I think a good portion of Europe set the age at 16.
16:54 <@Shadow404> yeah, its a grey area, but thats an uncomfortable chat on how you eneded up on a foriegn page that had the pictures
16:54 <@Shadow404> just still, ick
16:54 <@Dagmar> At no point did the FBI give my any shit about whether there might or might not have still be thumbnails of kiddie porn on my machine from having looked into the guy's fileshare.
16:54 <@Dagmar> s/my/me/;
16:54 <@Dagmar> They just went out and nailed the fucker
16:54 < aestetix> So if I'm in the US, and access a european porn site, I could be accessing what is legally child porn?
16:54 <@Corydon76-work> Joe Seanor gave a talk at PhreakNIC one year... there's a recording still up of it
16:54 <@wilpig> Dagmar: again I say "until they have an axe to grind"
16:54 <@Dagmar> ...which is good because Illinois is not too far for me to drive to apply a baseball bat to sommeone taking pictures of 11 & 12 year old girls, by the look of it
16:54 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: was that the crazy pedophile hunter guy?
16:54 <@Shadow404> yep, same when they came and talked to me about the guy that asked questions about solid rocket fuel that i posted make instructions for which he wanted "to compress into a container"
16:55 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: exactly
16:55 <@oddball> Shadow404: True, but it does give a plausable situation where someone could trip over, say a 17 year old girl nakid giving a donkey a blow job... or something.
16:55 <@Shadow404> they didnt sieze my stuff
16:55 <@Corydon76-work> I will defer to Joe when it comes to that crap
16:55 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: I've have told him about Mark Pauline
16:55 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: that talk seemed more about building an army than discussing procedure, so I walked out of it :)
16:55 <@Dagmar> Mr. Pauline has a toe for a thumb now.
16:56 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: given the volume of crap he runs across, he wants more people to know how to investigate
16:56 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: all the context I have for him was that one talk. *shrugs*
16:57 <@wilpig> oddball: where might one stumble across this supposed donkey show?
16:57 < Synx|hm_> question of the hour, im making pizza with leftover pulled pork from a smoke this weekend...
16:57 < Synx|hm_> do i use bbq sauce or pizza sauce as the base?
16:57 < aestetix> wilpig: clerks 2
16:57 <@wilpig> Synx|hm_: bbq
16:57 <@oddball> wilpig: I thought you would know.
16:58 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm_: depends on whether it's a molasses base or a vinegar base
16:58 < Synx|hm_> oh which does it need to be molasses right?
16:58 < Synx|hm_> i think i missed that up on my last bbq chicken pizza
16:58 <@Corydon76-work> Go ahead on a molasses based sauce, but don't use a vinegar based sauce
16:58 < Synx|hm_> and HOW THE FUCK do you know so much
16:58 <@wilpig> Synx|hm_: as long as it isn't super tanger vinegar you'll be okay
16:58 <@Dagmar> He's been eating all his life.
16:58 <@oddball> aestetix: You know... never did watch that movie.  I got a copy of it a few years back... the night before my apartment burned down.  That disc was destroyed.
16:58 < Synx|hm_> its jack daniels bbq sauce
16:58 <@Corydon76-work> Synx|hm_: You do know I'm in my late 30s, right?
16:59 <@wilpig> oddball: it's in the place where I put things.  get at it
16:59 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: you're old
16:59 <@Corydon76-work> I'm fucking ancient.
16:59 <@Corydon76-work> Well, not as ancient as Dagmar, but fucking ancient.
16:59 < aestetix> Corydon76-work: having erectile disfunction yet?
16:59 <@Dagmar> Faq j00
16:59 <@oddball> Synx|hm_: Yeah... molasses based BBQ sauce would be best.
17:00 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: of a sort, yes
17:00 <@oddball> The vinager based would be entirely too thin.
17:00 < Synx|hm_> thats what happened last time with the chicken
17:00 < aestetix> How so?
17:00 < Synx|hm_> it was runny as fuck
17:00 <@oddball> See?  Don't do that again. :)
17:00 < aestetix> Trouble getting it up, or keeping it up?
17:00 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I can't stay hard for guys I don't care about.
17:01 <@wilpig> you had trouble getting it up with the chicken?  how the fuck do you eat your pizza?
17:01 <@oddball> wilpig: you get it up with the chicken when you eat pizza?  Remind me never to get pizza with you.
17:01 <@Corydon76-work> And I have to self-stimulate oxytocin production
17:02 < aestetix> well then, my work here is done
17:02 <@wilpig> you've had pizza with me at mellow mushroom
17:02  * aestetix emails chat lot to wilpig's boss
17:02 < aestetix> log*
17:02 <@oddball> I knew that pizza tasted funny...
17:02 <@wilpig> aestetix: do you need his email?
17:03 < aestetix> sure
17:03 <@wilpig> wilpig@tumblr.com
17:04 < aestetix> that's your boss?
17:04 < aestetix> there seems to be a referencing issue here
17:05 <@wilpig> it'll get there eventually
17:05 <@wilpig> aestetix: just keep looking at your tumblr site and you'll forget about this conversation shortly
17:06 < aestetix> boobies
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17:26 < aestetix> ugh
17:26 < aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdjqxCseZH4
17:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Sarah Palin Responds to Martin Bashirs Vile Comments - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:26 < aestetix> it's so painful to listen to her
17:26 <@Corydon76-work> Then don't.  It really is quite easy to turn it off.
17:31 < aestetix> you know
17:32 < aestetix> I have to wonder if she is really that stupid, or if its an act
17:32 < RangerZ1> she is
17:32 < aestetix> how has she gotten anywhere in life?
17:32 < RangerZ1> she has realized how to HAM it up some, but thats just how she 'shows' herself, not her real opinions
17:32 < aestetix> she's so stupid you'd think she needs a feeding tube or something
17:32 < RangerZ1> aestetix: she was a small town mayor, where it was only a figurehead position
17:33 < aestetix> and governor of alaska
17:33 < RangerZ1> and Alaska is so full of 'secessionist' movements, which was one of her biggest backers
17:34 < RangerZ1> and she 'fought against' the mainstream GOP
17:34 < aestetix> I was watching that video. It's like she is struggling to figure out how to put complete sentences together. I don't understand how Alaska voted for her
17:34 < RangerZ1> she's good at manipulation
17:34 < RangerZ1> thats it
17:35 < RangerZ1> she's pretty, and says the right thing for stupid people
17:40 <@Corydon76-work> I think more to the point, her audience regards government trying to make changes as a problem, and her disarming personality makes people forget that she's capable of making government into a real evil force.
17:40 <@Corydon76-work> All that's needed for evil to succeed is for good people to do nothing, and she WILL do nothing.
17:46 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADBPuwDHh6Q
17:46 < GateKeeper> Title: Batman vs. Superman - Is Gal Gadot a Good Pick for Wonder Woman? - IGN Conversation - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:46 < RangerZ1> hmm... I have a bad feeling that this next man of steel film is going to be _really_ bad
17:47 < RangerZ1> I'm afraid that they are trying to put too much into the film it
17:47 <@Corydon76-work> as bad as Twinklight?
17:47 < RangerZ1> ./s/into the film it/into the film, it looks like
17:48 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.twinklightthemovie.com NSFW
17:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Afton Nills Pictures & The Gay Life Network Present Twinklight (at www.twinklightthemovie.com)
17:48 < RangerZ1> DC is just trying to catch up to marvel, and rushing it
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20:12 <@Shadow404> ohhhh
20:12 <@Shadow404> i almost just cae
20:12 <@Shadow404> my 16gb kit of RAM just arrived and its so purdy and gold
20:13 <@Shadow404> *came
20:14 <@Shadow404> http://spaceref.com/astronomy/chandra-helps-confirm-jet-in-milky-ways-black-hole.html
20:14 < GateKeeper> Title: Chandra Helps Confirm Jet in Milky Way's Black Hole - SpaceRef (at spaceref.com)
20:14 <@Shadow404> woops
20:15 <@Shadow404> https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-JawlfG6_eSw/Up_TKNGBQ3I/AAAAAAAAHt4/tJj3d5TSUaM/w1184-h888-no/20131204_201305.jpg
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20:40 <@Dagmar> Eesh.  Face feels skinned
20:45 <@oddball> Time for a new razor?
20:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I'm thinking maybe it was time to break out a new disposable razor.  Too late now
20:47 <@Dagmar> I need to look my bestest tonight, and I don't have time for the rest to grow back out if I trimmed off the unruly ends.
20:49 <@oddball> oh?  have a date?
20:51 <@Dagmar> That would be nice, wouldn't it
20:51 <@Dagmar> http://www.marathonmusicworks.com/event/356051-inked-magazine-suicidegirls-nashville/
20:51 <@Shadow404> woot, upgrade games are so much faster
20:55 <@oddball> Oh, by the way, the place I take TKD from has started offering capoeira.
20:56 <@oddball> oh.. right
20:56 <@Dagmar> Sweet
20:58 <@oddball> I'm not sure it would be a great idea for me to try it.
21:02 <@Dagmar> You don't have to be a midget to do it.  It's just helpul.
21:03 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: you going to that?
21:04 <@Dagmar> ***FUCK YES***
21:04 <@Dagmar> That is *exactly* the kind of girl I find to be hot as hell
21:04 <@Dagmar> I can barely look for clothes on vampirefreaks.com without going all derpy
21:05 < RangerZ1> i'd love to go, but big project to finish tonight
21:05 < RangerZ1> :/
21:05 <@oddball> Dagmar: Thought you might be interested in the class.  Tuesday and Thursday nights.
21:06 < RangerZ1> bunch of theifs stole radioactive hospital material : cobalt 60
21:06 < RangerZ1> and have probably killed themselves by opening up the container
21:07 < RangerZ1> best case: only severe sickness
21:07 <@oddball> oops
21:07 < RangerZ1> pretty much
21:40 < RangerZ1> so who is going to pick up Dagmar from the suicidegirls burlesque event?
21:40 < RangerZ1> i'm afraid he'll lose the ability to speak or walk
21:40 < RangerZ1> -_-
21:41 < RangerZ1> he might drool ;)
21:45 <@oddball> heh
21:45 <@oddball> He probably should not try to ride his scooter afterwards.
22:19 < RangerZ1> wow... vandy's OAK is slow as fuck right now
22:19  * RangerZ1 blames NotLarry
22:20  * RangerZ1 has vandy call Dagmar into work 
22:20 < RangerZ1> lol
22:30 < aestetix> penis
23:19 <@sasquatc3> anyone know a good place to get a nexus 5? phone just broke and was thinkin of switchin to ting anyway, figured nows as good a time as any, just gotta pay the etf early
23:26 < RangerZ1> https://www.google.com/nexus/5/ is one, obviously
23:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Nexus 5 - Google (at www.google.com)
23:26 < RangerZ1> http://swappa.com/ has them for as cheap as 385$
23:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Buy and Sell Used Mobile Phones and Tablets > Swappa (at swappa.com)
23:26 < RangerZ1> http://swappa.com/buy/nexus-5-unlocked/us
23:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Buy Nexus 5 (Unlocked) in US > Swappa (at swappa.com)
23:34 <@sasquatc3> ahh, just read up, ting recommends only buying them from google direct, they dont support them from other stores just in case
23:43 < RangerZ1> probably best idea
23:44 < RangerZ1> aestetix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RPO5lwijQ8 you'll love this
23:44 < GateKeeper> Title: A Defense Of Liberty In Front Of UK Parliament - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:57 < aestetix> uh oh
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