--- Log opened Sun Dec 01 00:00:40 2013
00:01 <@wilpig> that sounds positively bizare
00:01 <@wilpig> wtf are chia seeds?
00:02 <@wilpig> alright bedtime for me.  I stayed up way too late last night and was dragging ass today
00:06 <@SuMo_D> you can get them at the health food store
00:07 <@SuMo_D> http://www.catchmagazine.nl/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/chia-seeds3.jpg
00:07 <@SuMo_D> they're high in Omega 3 and good for digestion
00:09 <@SuMo_D> lots of calcium, iron and potassium too
00:11 <@SuMo_D> looks like even more... http://www.rawreform.com/content/view/345/127/ - but yeah they're tasty... and like baby bubble tea
00:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Raw Reform - The Chia Cheat Sheet by Angela Stokes (at www.rawreform.com)
00:45 < RangerZ1> god... why is windows file search so fucking slow
00:45 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: http://www.cbc.ca/spark/blog/2013/12/01/dramatizing-the-internet/
00:45 < RangerZ1> i mean... it fucking has a process running all the time doing indexing
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01:04 <@SuMo_D> oooooo thanks aestetix_ that's the same woman who did the new zealand talk right?
01:05 < aestetix_> What new zealand talk?
01:05 < aestetix_> Oh. Yeah.
01:05 < aestetix_> I actually need to talk to quinn about some of the nym stuff too
01:05 < aestetix_> heh
01:05 <@SuMo_D> cool
01:14 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: did I share my writeup with you yet?
01:14 <@SuMo_D> I don't think so
01:15 <@SuMo_D> I think I saw the draft right?
01:15 < aestetix_> ahhh ok
01:15 < aestetix_> maybe
01:15 <@SuMo_D> I'm trying to fix this coding issue I'll check it in a min ;)
01:15 < aestetix_> I'm slowly picking up things I left off for thanksiginvg :/
01:15 <@SuMo_D> :)
01:15 <@SuMo_D> get it going!
01:18 < aestetix_> when I finish this I may submit it to that group you mention
01:18 < aestetix_> mentioned
01:19 <@SuMo_D> the new school one?
01:19 < aestetix_> sure
01:19 <@SuMo_D> rockin'
02:04 <@SuMo_D> wilpig I think you influenced one of my students from afar
02:04 <@SuMo_D> http://www.flickr.com/photos/90777409@N02/11146697483/
02:04 < GateKeeper> Title: georges | Flickr - Photo Sharing! (at www.flickr.com)
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02:12 < RangerZ1> SuMo_D: nice nyancat
02:13 < RangerZ1> nyanneko ;)
02:22 < aestetix_> ugh
02:22 < aestetix_> stupid server maintenance issues
02:23 <@SuMo_D> awww those are always at the worst times
02:23 <@SuMo_D> its like they plot...
02:23 <@SuMo_D> and then pounce
02:25 < aestetix_> well
02:25 < aestetix_> automation sounds great, but in reality it's difficult
02:26 < aestetix_> so this one slave does backups, and because we downsized it, the disk space filled up
02:26 < aestetix_> normally it would email alerts, however, I forgot to add it into the whitelist of the mail server
02:26 < aestetix_> luckily it was only the last day or two it borked
02:27 < aestetix_> scaling is hard :)
02:50 < aestetix_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6EQNlg7240
02:50 < GateKeeper> Title: Man hits bullet with hammer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:51 < RangerZ1> nice
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03:42 <@SuMo_D> Yea!!!! all 10 panels have their credits coded BAM end is in sight! **happy dance**
03:42 < aestetix_> panels?
03:43 <@SuMo_D> the kids are doing ten 16x32 RGB LED panels that we're placing around mainstreet
03:43 < aestetix_> ahh
03:43 <@SuMo_D> they had to learn how to code to do it... but yeah... I had to put together all the hardware and do the credits - one of the moms got into it and she did a bunch of fun images that helped a lot
03:44 <@SuMo_D> but yeah, I'm so ready to go onto different projects
03:44 < aestetix_> it's nice to hear about parents being useful instead of annoying
03:44 <@SuMo_D> but they're almost done! :D - we got a grant from the arts council so... trying to make it awesome... be like new media is art too!
03:45 <@SuMo_D> we had one local business drop us... cause it was "too weird"
03:45 <@SuMo_D> they didn't want a sign saying "linux rocks" in their store I guess... their loss
03:45 <@SuMo_D> yeah... she's great, pretty intense... but great
03:45 < aestetix_> how is linux wierd?
03:46 <@SuMo_D> who knows
03:46 <@SuMo_D> its basicly an old lady store that also sells leather brief cases - I was surprised they wanted to participate...
03:48 <@SuMo_D> A local church gave us some money for the program, so they did a mini presentation there, and I think that's when they said they'd do it... but yeah... it was lame they dropped out after we did the image for them and had them on the map - had to redesign stuff, at least we didn't have them printed yet
03:59 < aestetix_> you know
03:59 < aestetix_> It occurs to me that black friday wouldn't happen if people were paid better, and lived within their means
03:59 < aestetix_> it's like the ultimate demonstration of supply/demand
04:01 <@Bahhumbug> Or suppliers didn't gouge their customers by over-inflating prices throughout the year.
04:01 < aestetix_> that too
04:02 < aestetix_> that's the supply side argument. Paying people better is the demand side argument :)
04:02 <@Bahhumbug> heh
04:02 < aestetix_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_adgG8Ba2Q this video is awesome
04:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Crazy Wal-Mart Black Friday fight for TV 2013 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
04:02 < aestetix_> Because the girl gets cuffed
04:05 <@Bahhumbug> I imagine those two cops are thinking the same thing I am.
04:05 <@Bahhumbug> Fucking animals.
04:05 < aestetix_> Yep
04:06 < aestetix_> I quite enjoyed watching them put the cuffs on her.
04:06 < aestetix_> Partly because it requires removing her hands from that TV set
04:06 <@Bahhumbug> heh
04:06 <@Bahhumbug> Looks like she might have gotten pepper sprayed towards the end as well.
04:06 <@Bahhumbug> stupid bitch.
04:06 <@Bahhumbug> I'm sorry if that offends anyone.
04:06 < aestetix_> Nah
04:06 <@Bahhumbug> But this type of behavior is truly pathetic.
04:07 < aestetix_> But there's definitely an animalistic element to this.
04:07 < aestetix_> It looks a lot like a football game.
04:07 <@Bahhumbug> Of course.  Mob rules.
04:07 < aestetix_> Except minus the rules.
04:07 <@Bahhumbug> True.
04:07 <@Bahhumbug> If I was law enforcement I'd let these stores burn.
04:07 < aestetix_> It's sad when you have a ritual that was so barbaric that football seems civilized.
04:07 <@Bahhumbug> Let the inmates riot and trash the places.
04:08 < aestetix_> Actually
04:08 < aestetix_> I wonder what would happen if you had a security team staffed with felons
04:08 < aestetix_> And let everyone know that.
04:08 <@Bahhumbug> Someone mentioned something to me about going to Walfart Friday and I asked if they were willing to bail me out because I could almost promise that someone would be getting smacked.
04:09 <@Bahhumbug> Get bounces from some 4am joints to crack heads.
04:09 <@Bahhumbug> bouncers, even
04:10 <@Bahhumbug> They _like_ a good scuffle.
04:12 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: the mall I used to work at, had some mall security that were felons, and they let people know
04:13 < RangerZ1> they had law enforcement on staff too
04:13 < aestetix_> nice
04:13 < aestetix_> Well I love the idea
04:13 < aestetix_> You tell felons that if they are good at security, they get a chance at parole
04:14 < RangerZ1> the felons were the 'plain cloths' officers
04:14 < RangerZ1> Sears used to do the same thing
04:14 < RangerZ1> though I don't know if felon was a stopper there or not, but they had a ton of security in plain cloths (all? *shrugs*)
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04:42 < aestetix_> hahah
04:42 < aestetix_> someone called me out on twitter for passing judgement
04:43 < aestetix_> I returned "are you judging me for passing judgement?"
04:43 < aestetix_> that broke them
05:23 < RangerZ1> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824992037 pretty good deal for a 2x monitor mount
05:23 < RangerZ1> 75$ , 50% off
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10:14 <@Bahhumbug> Wow.  An unsub request mailed to the list?  Are people still too fucking stupid to look at mail headers for RFC-compliant list headers?
10:17 <@wilpig> not only that...  it was sent from an unsubbed address
10:17 <@wilpig> I approved that message to be sent through because it annoyed me that much
10:20 <@wilpig> that jackass also just got an email with complete instructions on how to unsubscribe complete with the email address he was actually subscribed with and still failed to read
10:34 <@Bahhumbug> heh
10:50 <@wilpig> Dagmar: I just checked my puzzle count.  you're still missing some.  i'm at 759/929 now
11:59 <@Shadow404> great propagation in the southeast if you got OTA TV, re-scanning to find new channels right now
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14:56 <@Dagmar>  Yeah I know
15:00 <@SuMo_D> you know nothing
15:00 <@SuMo_D> Black Friday killed all our brain cells
15:01 <@wilpig> only female brain cells
15:01 <@wilpig> and those that they dragged along with them into the cattle call
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15:04 <@Dagmar> Let me know when they have white tuesday
15:22 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: +all_the_numbers
16:18 < RangerZ1> "You play an Uplink Agent who makes a living by performing jobs for major corporations. Your tasks involve hacking into rival computer systems, stealing research data, sabotaging other companies, laundering money, erasing evidence, or framing innocent people."
16:18 < RangerZ1> http://store.steampowered.com/app/1510/?snr=1_7_7_204_150_2
16:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Save 50% on Uplink on Steam (at store.steampowered.com)
16:18 < RangerZ1> lulz
16:20 <@Dagmar> Damn the exchanges are going crazy today
16:33 <@Shadow404> yen has been stable
17:03 < aestetix_> the exchanges?
17:03 < aestetix_> what is bitcoin up to now
17:07 < aestetix_> it looks like the stanley parable is finally available for mac
17:16 <@Dagmar> It was over 1000 on multiple exchanges, but i've seen it go between that and 800 twice today already
17:16 <@Dagmar> That's rather a lot of fluctuation
17:18 <@Dagmar> dafuq.  Now it's over 1400
17:19 <@Dagmar> Nevermind.  Misreading
17:19 <@Dagmar> Although it did just make another run down to 850 and back up to 1000
17:19 <@Dagmar> Looks like someone's trying to prop it up for some reason
17:20 <@Dagmar> They probably saw a thin set of sell orders and figured they could run it back up
17:21 < aestetix_> what?
17:21 < aestetix_> oh
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17:58 <@oddball> Dagmar: Welcome to the world of playing penny stocks.
18:02 <@Dagmar> oddball: 1.  These aren't Penny Stocks.
18:02 <@Dagmar> 2.  I've been watching this market pretty much all year
18:04 <@wilpig> Dagmar: if you hit up nash1, 2, or 4 you should have a wide selection of puzzle pieces from me
18:07 <@oddball> Dagmar: The prices are flucuating like they are.
18:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I suspect some of it has to do with it breaking into mainstream's awarenes
18:10 <@Dagmar> The Senate more or less formally declaring they didn't give a fuck has also exacerbated things
18:10 <@Dagmar> Like, it went up to 1000 partly because a brokerage was consolidating (hence that $147 million transaction)/
18:11 <@Dagmar> NORMALLY it would have already gone back down by now
18:11 <@Dagmar> Look at what it was this time last month and see if you don't emit a low whistle
18:11 <@Dagmar> This is abnormally high, and there are people apparently still hoping it'll go higher, and now the speculators are freaking out
18:11 <@oddball> Oh, I know
18:12 <@Dagmar> So there's a new Doctor Who puzzle game on the play store.  Plays almost exactly like Puzzle and Dragons
18:13 <@Dagmar> I do not think they expected people to be able to clear most of the screen at this early stage in the game.
18:13 <@Dagmar> Not only have I not lost in six "episodes", I haven't even seen the enemy hit me
18:13 <@Dagmar> Should I feel sorry for even made-up Daleks and Cybermen?
18:35 <@oddball> heh
19:18 < RangerZ1> http://bakabt.me/168301-pokemon-adventures-pokemon-special.html there you go wilpig some 5GB of pokemon manga
19:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Download Pokemon Adventures | Pokemon Special torrent - BakaBT (at bakabt.me)
19:19 < RangerZ1> some 'light' reading for you
19:27 <@wilpig> okay this is weird
19:27 <@wilpig> today is the first but my rent isn't showing as being due
19:28 <@wilpig>  Wilbur, your account balance is $0.00
19:28 <@wilpig> 	
19:28 <@wilpig> 	
19:28 <@wilpig> Account Info
19:28 <@wilpig> Payment of $1348.00 made on 11/01/2013 and the status is captured. 
19:34 <@oddball> Maybe because it's Sunday?
19:37 <@wilpig> it should be an automated system.  plus they sent me a payment notice 5 days ago
19:40 <@oddball> They might have something in the system to avoid non-business days?
19:41 < aestetix_> jesus
19:41 <@oddball> I... what?! http://www.brobible.com/life/article/ball-of-yarn-knits-with-it
19:41 < aestetix_> your rent is $1348?
19:41 < GateKeeper> Title: Every Day This Woman Shoves a Ball Of Yarn Up Her Vagina and Then - BroBible.com (at www.brobible.com)
19:41 < aestetix_> sounds like new york :p
19:41 <@wilpig> aestetix_: that's on the lower end of the rent scale up here
19:41 < aestetix_> I know
19:42 < aestetix_> SF is worse.
19:42 < aestetix_> I just normally land places that are super cheap
19:42 < aestetix_> What's really amusing is how many people spend that much on rent when they spend all their time at work
19:44 < aestetix_> man
19:44 < aestetix_> I kind of want to get Quinn to write "An Elegy for Noisebridge"
19:44 < aestetix_> or maybe it's eulogy
19:44 < aestetix_> Just like she wrote for occupy
19:52 <@Dagmar> So this is interesting
19:53 <@Dagmar> I was just looking for a copy of the ghost prank failure... someone has made a _fake_ one
19:53 <@Dagmar> It's basically obscuring the search results
19:55 <@Dagmar> It was _these_ people who got burned http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N5OhNplEd4
19:55 < GateKeeper> Title: Extremely Scary Ghost Elevator Prank in Brazil - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:55 <@Dagmar> I wonder if they mde the fake video to try and cover up that the fail video leaked
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20:25 < aestetix_> http://www.amazon.com/b?ref_=tsm_1_tw_s_amzn_mx3eqp&node=8037720011
20:25 < GateKeeper> Title: Amazon Prime Air (at www.amazon.com)
20:28 <@Shadow404> what, this has to be a joke
20:28 <@Shadow404> batteries wont even last that long
20:28 < aestetix_> I was thinking "oh look at that I'm gonna shoot it out of the sky"
20:29 <@Shadow404> or look, a planne ran right into it
20:29 <@Dagmar> It doesn't help that the page isn't dated.  Hint hint
20:29 < aestetix_> Or "I'm https://twitter.com/amazon/status/407317990862893056/photo/1
20:29 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / amazon: Get a sneak peek of #PrimeAir. ... (at twitter.com)
20:29 < aestetix_> that is dated
20:30 <@Corydon76-work> Peaches just told me of a "deal" on an Android tablet that nobody seems to have heard of until 3 days ago
20:31 <@Corydon76-work> iRola.... company has no website
20:31 <@Dagmar> Probably some underpowered Chinese tablet selling for $99
20:31 <@Corydon76-work> $59, actually
20:31 <@Dagmar> There's several non-suck 8" tablets to be had for $150
20:31 <@Dagmar> For $60 it's going to be shit
20:31 <@Dagmar> ...with 2Mb RA
20:31 <@Dagmar> M
20:32 <@oddball> Especially with a name that starts wi9th a lower case "i."
20:32 <@Corydon76-work> 512mb RAM
20:32 <@Dagmar> Oh fuck no
20:32 <@Dagmar> You don't want that
20:32 < aestetix_> http://www.theverge.com/2013/12/1/5164340/delivery-drones-are-coming-jeff-bezos-previews-half-hour-shipping
20:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Delivery drones are coming: Jeff Bezos previews half-hour shipping with Amazon Prime Air | The Verge (at www.theverge.com)
20:32 <@oddball> You might be able to use that as an electronic picture frame.
20:32 <@Corydon76-work> Heh
20:32 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, I figured as much
20:33 <@Corydon76-work> "Guaranteed: lowest price on the net".  Yeah, that's because it's not sold anywhere else.
20:34 <@Dagmar> Well, also because that's the new price for the shitty $99 chinese tablets
20:34 <@oddball> Speaking of which, I found it odd when I was looking for a digital picture frame for my mom a while back that no one (at least at the time) made one that had wifi.  I would have thought being able to get it to read pictures off your computer would be a compelling feathure.
20:35 <@oddball> er feature.
20:35 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: yeah, my parents have a digital photo frame that only reads off a memory stick
20:36 <@Corydon76-work> Now that my mother has an iPad, it's much easier just to show photos on that.
20:37 <@Corydon76-work> That's the clearest sign that we're nearing the apocalypse:  my mother the Luddite is using a personal iPad.
20:37 <@oddball> Of course, I think the general market for those things at this point are people's parents/grandparents that can't figure out computers, but want to see all the kid/grandkid pictures.
20:38 <@oddball> Well, frankly, if you can't do the basic stuff on an iPad, there should be serious concern about whether you should be allowed to walk the streets.
20:38 < aestetix_> Shadow404: loooks like it is real
20:39 <@Shadow404> target practice time
20:39 < aestetix_> yep!
20:39 < aestetix_> how about
20:39 < aestetix_> octocopter trap time
20:39 < RangerZ1> https://upworthy-production.s3.amazonaws.com/nugget/5111a7d66e461400020015b7/attachments/481411_458257567562919_1561377976_n.png everytime i see this ... I get sad
20:39 < RangerZ1> US Highspeed Rail System planned map
20:40 < aestetix_> please tell me that's something current and in production
20:40 < RangerZ1> yep
20:40 < RangerZ1> as long as you are in a blue state
20:40 <@wilpig> I've spent too much time on 4chan.  octocopter trap time = octocopter + dong of some variety
20:40 < RangerZ1> but california's is running into $ issues
20:40 < aestetix_> I would love to be able to take a train to nyc
20:40 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: EVERYTHING california does runs into budget issues
20:41 < RangerZ1> it would only take like 12hrs too
20:41 < RangerZ1> which is about what it takes to fly to NYC after accounting for TSA, lol
20:41 < aestetix_> wow
20:41 < aestetix_> and be a lot safer, I imagine
20:41 < RangerZ1> yep
20:41 < RangerZ1> well, 'ehh'
20:41 < aestetix_> also, transport goods for cheaper
20:42 < RangerZ1> they are both so silly safe, that its kinda a moot point (not 4chan's moot)
20:42 < aestetix_> hmm
20:42 < aestetix_> I'm curious about the cost
20:42 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix_: uh, no.  Freight trains are used to transport goods for cheaper, not high speed rail
20:42 <@Corydon76-work> High speed rail is for moving people and luggage, not goods
20:42 < RangerZ1> yeah, 'fast' doesn't really matter for consumer goods
20:42 < aestetix_> fair enough
20:43 < aestetix_> Yeah trains don't matter if we have drones doing it for us
20:43 <@Corydon76-work> Trains are still the #1 way to get goods to market
20:43 <@oddball> aestetix_: I'm not real sure about the "safer" part.
20:43 < RangerZ1> ohio is sadly one of the the key states in this plan
20:43 < RangerZ1> and our GOP house shot it down
20:43 <@Corydon76-work> Trucking is for the last mile, so to speak
20:44 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: they can just request DHS money
20:44 < RangerZ1> but we'll probably start it once a new gov gets elected
20:44 < aestetix_> That's how Oakland is doing all the surveillance :p
20:44 <@oddball> Naienko's step-father used to be a manager for Amtrack that had to deal with "incidents."  You'd be amazed at the number of folks that apparently don't understand that a train can't swerve.
20:44 <@Corydon76-work> RangerZ1: I wouldn't be surprised if Ohio is supplanted with Kentucky
20:45 < RangerZ1> Corydon76-work: you're forgetting the mountains
20:45 < RangerZ1> North part of ohio was picked for a reason
20:45 < RangerZ1> its flat b/c the glaciers squished it
20:45 <@Corydon76-work> Kentucky is turning out to be far more progressive, and with it more centrally located, it's a more natural central point on the map
20:45 < aestetix_> wait
20:45 < aestetix_> kentucky is progressive?
20:45 < RangerZ1> actually yes
20:45 < aestetix_> Besides Louisville?
20:45 <@Corydon76-work> Compared to Ohio and Tennessee, yes
20:45 <@oddball> Also, I would guess that companies like CSX are lobying against it.  They own a good chunk of the tracks that Amtrack currently uses.
20:46 < RangerZ1> its the only 'southern' state to expand medicare and to make their own health insurance exchange
20:46 <@Corydon76-work> In fact, compared to West Virginia and Indiana, it's far more progressive
20:46 < RangerZ1> Ohio's issue is that its a split state, the NE/N part of it is very liberal, where as the southern parts are very conservative
20:47 <@oddball> (they're also the reason that Amtrack no longer has a bunch of routes in the south after Katrina.  They decided to charge Amtrack significantly more after rebuilding the lines.
20:47 < RangerZ1> (except where there are state universities, they are blue , even in south)
20:47 <@Corydon76-work> Well, the south eastern part of it is coal country
20:47 < RangerZ1> 'ehh'
20:47 < RangerZ1> yes/no
20:47 < RangerZ1> its mostly left now
20:47 <@Corydon76-work> but even coal country can be progressive if you choose the right issues
20:47 < RangerZ1> SE Ohio/nw WV is pretty much the poorest part of the country
20:48 <@Corydon76-work> Emphasize high speed rail as bringing economic opportunity and revitalization and jobs, and coal country will vote for it
21:02 <@Bahhumbug> The obvious choice for a Chicago terminal would be CUS (Chicago Union Station); I'm not convinced they have the capacity in-station nor at the throat coming in to be able to handle the additional volume of traffic.
21:30 < RangerZ1> some nice deals on NCIX http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=86340&vpn=H320&manufacture=Others&promoid=1029
21:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Swiftech H320 Quiet Power PLUG-AND-PLAY Liquid Cooling System 4 Pin 3x 120mm Fans 3/8 Fitting (at us.ncix.com)
21:30 < RangerZ1> and http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=79583&promoid=1029
21:30 < GateKeeper> Title: Swiftech H220 Quiet Power PLUG-AND-PLAY Liquid Cooling System 4 Pin 2x 120mm Fans 3/8 Fitting (at us.ncix.com)
21:30 < RangerZ1> 120 and 150$
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21:38 < RangerZ1> especially since there is an import ban on them
21:38 < RangerZ1> so they can only sell what they have already
21:39 < RangerZ1> since one of the other cooling manf. got pissed that they used some weird patented means of integrating the water pump and heatsink , that it makes the H220/330 the best all-in-ones out there right now, lol
21:39 < RangerZ1> << wants one if you can't tell
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22:28 < aestetix_> https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015
22:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Removed use of gendered pronoun by alex · Pull Request #1015 · joyent/libuv · GitHub (at github.com)
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22:35 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: jusus man
22:35 < RangerZ1> do you just have google news alert setup to catch this stuff?
22:36 < aestetix_> yes
22:36 < aestetix_> it's called twitter
22:36 <@Dagmar> False positive on idiotism
22:36 <@Dagmar> THeir edit was valid
22:38 <@Catonic> lol
22:38 <@Catonic> how does that work? Does it beep at you, or just make the violet wand tingle?
22:39 <@Dagmar> *snort*
22:41 <@Catonic> Wait... let me guess: "It has your mom tell me after she blows me."
22:42  * Catonic runs back out as quickly as he came in.
22:49 < RangerZ1> honestly, i agree with the PR
22:49 < RangerZ1> it is just good writing format to refer to unknown to 'them' ...and... 'she' when referring to a ship
22:49 < RangerZ1> lol
22:52 < aestetix_> it's fascinating to see how much that blew up
22:53 < aestetix_> including a bunch of people demanding the guy be fired for that
22:53 <@Dagmar> What?
22:53 <@Dagmar> Did they sort of skip EVERY ENGLISH CLASS EVER?
22:53 <@Dagmar> His edit was completely correct
22:55 <@SuMo_D> what'd I miss?
22:55 <@SuMo_D> I think I came in after the link was posted
22:55 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: someone hit the beehive again :)
22:55 < aestetix_> https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015
22:55 < GateKeeper> Title: Removed use of gendered pronoun by alex · Pull Request #1015 · joyent/libuv · GitHub (at github.com)
22:55 <@SuMo_D> aie...
22:57 <@Dickie> wow
22:57 <@Dickie> We're a pedantic people, we nerds.
22:58 < aestetix_> well
22:58 < aestetix_> this is what we get with radical transparency :p
22:59 <@Dagmar> ...and a lack of beatings.
22:59 <@Dagmar> I can't believe someone suggested "you".
22:59 <@Dagmar> NO.
22:59 <@Dagmar> Fucking high-school level English and these people fail at it.
22:59 < aestetix_> who suggested "you"?
22:59 <@Dagmar> zedshaw
22:59 < RangerZ1> one of the comments down the list
22:59 <@Dagmar> "If you get nsent, then you know data was sent and you can avoid sending it twice."
22:59 < aestetix_> oh
23:00 <@Dagmar> That would be entirely wrong.
23:00 < aestetix_> so
23:00 <@Dagmar> "You" is only to be used informally.
23:00 < aestetix_> there is nothing wrong with someone forking the whole project and going through and de-gendering it
23:00 <@wilpig> I swear, shit like that
23:00 < aestetix_> and then offering it up as a "better" version
23:00 <@Dagmar> Formally, the same part of speech would be "One".
23:00 < aestetix_> rather than make a pull request and go apeshit when it this happens
23:00 <@wilpig> that isn;t even on public facing docs is it?  just a code comment?
23:00 <@Dagmar> The edit didn't have anything to do with "de-gendering"
23:00 <@Dagmar> It's common fucking English.
23:01 < aestetix_> wilpig: I think so
23:01 <@Dagmar> Any high-school English teacher worth a damn would have drawn a red line through "him"
23:01 <@wilpig> ridiculous.  that's like the jack ass that commented on something on opendcim that one time.  completely out of the blue and had nothing to do with anything.  he just didn't like me saying "bitching"
23:02 <@Dagmar> alex, on the other hand, can go fuck hirself
23:02 <@Dagmar> "that concern would be trumped by the fact that using gendered language is hostile"
23:02 <@Dagmar> "No, alex, FUCK YOU is hostile."
23:03 <@wilpig> they're just code comments.  sheesh.  who started this nonsense?  https://github.com/joyent/libuv/pull/1015/files
23:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Removed use of gendered pronoun by alex · Pull Request #1015 · joyent/libuv · GitHub (at github.com)
23:03 <@Dagmar> aestetix: If you have skin in this game, you should demand these fuckers put this before a high school English teacher immediately and quit stroking their fucking specialness
23:03 < aestetix_> I do not.
23:03 < aestetix_> I'm not touching this.
23:04 <@Dagmar> I damn well might.
23:04 < aestetix_> go for it
23:04 <@Dagmar> Looks like down at the very bottom someone is regulating on the bullshit
23:04 <@wilpig> speaking of high school english...  I was taught that he was the proper pronoun when a gender wasn't specified
23:05 <@Dagmar> It's an acceptable one, but it's an assumption.
23:05 <@Dagmar> Like a number of people have said, "they" and "them" are also equally acceptable, and more importantly don't make an assumption.
23:05 <@Dagmar> ...which has not one fucking thing to do with gender rights bullshit, but simple grammatical correctness.
23:06 <@Dagmar> This really is some shit your'e supposed to learn in high school
23:06 < aestetix_> Dagmar: agreed
23:06 <@Dagmar> Looks like a few posts above the end, some people are calling a complete halt on the bullshit
23:06 <@Dagmar> I would like to amend that to include a baseball bat
23:07 <@Dagmar> ...because FUCK people who want to inject their goddamn agenda into something a teenager should know.
23:07 <@Dagmar> Hell, NotLarry's kids are fresh out of high school.  They could probably answer straightaway
23:07 < aestetix_> this does seem kind of like an inquisition
23:08 <@Dagmar> It is.
23:08 <@Dagmar> I am shocked some fucktard even put the phrase "white knighting" in there
23:08 <@Dagmar> Political Correctness of this sort IS some mind-control shit straight out of the heart of the KGB
23:08 < aestetix_> Yeah. In the whole pick your battles philosophy.... it's a fucking code comment.
23:09 <@Dagmar> OH LOOK.
23:09 <@Dagmar> ONE MOTHERFUCKING GOOGLE SEARCH
23:09 <@Dagmar> http://www.learnersdictionary.com/blog.php?action=ViewBlogArticle&ba_id=61
23:09 < GateKeeper> Title: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary (at www.learnersdictionary.com)
23:10 < aestetix_> Well
23:10 < aestetix_> Keep in mind, this is a natural result of teaching people to focus on engineering and ignore english grammar.
23:10 < aestetix_> "I'm an engineer, not an english major...."
23:10 < RangerZ1> most other languages I'm aware of have set rules for it, and most just require 'male' pronouns
23:10 <@Dagmar> Also, from the people who basically _brought you fucking English_: http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/he-or-she-versus-they
23:10 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: this is true.
23:11 < RangerZ1> or... don't HAVE pronouns, and just make you fucking guess... *looking at you japanese and korean*
23:11 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: which is interesting because many of them are based on Latin, which has a neutral pronoun.
23:11 < aestetix_> well, that's not entirely true.
23:11 <@Dagmar> Most importantly, common to both pages, is a mention that this is a shortcoming in the fucking language, not overt goddamn sexism
23:11 < aestetix_> It has a neutral form.
23:11 < RangerZ1> personally I say "they"
23:11 < RangerZ1> is best
23:11 < RangerZ1> but 'ehh'
23:11 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: Oxford sides with you
23:12 < RangerZ1> i also argued with my english teacher about 'aint'
23:12 < aestetix_> It's not "best". It's grammatically correct.
23:12 < aestetix_> Uh
23:12 < RangerZ1> actually 'grammar' is flexible
23:12 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: Been there, done that... but with the Spanish teacher.
23:12 <@Dickie> The important thing is we're arguing about it
23:12 < aestetix_> Aint isn't a work because you can't make a contraction with three words
23:12 < aestetix_> a word*
23:12 < RangerZ1> yes it is
23:12 < RangerZ1> now
23:12 < RangerZ1> got added
23:12 <@Dagmar> aestetix_; Tell that to the fucking Germans, mate
23:12 <@Dickie> Yes, you can.
23:12 <@Dickie> She'll've
23:12 < RangerZ1> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ain't
23:12 < GateKeeper> Title: Ain't - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary (at www.merriam-webster.com)
23:13 < aestetix_> uhhhhh
23:13 <@Dagmar> "Ain't" is a part of speech English lacks, just like "ya'll" is also a word that English lacks.
23:13 < RangerZ1> but DOH was oxford's word of the year ...either last year or 2 years ago
23:13 <@Dickie> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_double_contractions
23:13 < RangerZ1> so "ehh"
23:13 < GateKeeper> Title: Category:English double contractions - Wiktionary (at en.wiktionary.org)
23:13 <@Dickie> Oh, God.
23:13 <@Dickie> You pulled me in
23:13 <@Dagmar> Spanish has whassit.... vosotros I think
23:14 <@Dickie> for "you all"
23:14 <@Dagmar> Yes.  One word.
23:14 <@Dickie> But I think that's limited to Europe
23:14 <@Dickie> I don't think they do that in the western hemisphere
23:14 <@Dagmar> They're probably snooty about it
23:15 <@wilpig> I'm sticking with fuck that guy for submitting those changes to the code comments in the first place.  
23:16 <@wilpig> dude literally had nothing better to add, fuck him.
23:16 <@Corydon76-work> Dickie: they use the formal "Ustedes" in place of vosotros in the Western hemisphere.
23:16 <@Dagmar> wilpig: No, it's more correct English
23:16 <@Dagmar> Whaddid I say?  Snooty.
23:16 <@wilpig> not submitting code...  no right to audit code comments.  fuck him
23:17 <@Dagmar> wlipig: It's literally something people are taught in formal writing lessons in High School
23:17 <@Dagmar> ...to use "they" and "them" isntead of "he" or "she"
23:17 <@wilpig> it doesn't matter.  half of my code comments are sentence fragments at best
23:17 <@Dagmar> ...unless the gender is known.
23:17 <@wilpig> they explain what's going on in case it looks odd and it usually does
23:17 <@Dagmar> ...and it doesn't have a goddamn thing to do with equal rights.
23:18 < RangerZ1> wilpig: that torrentCDN is actually coming along nicely
23:18 <@wilpig> they're there for helping debug not trying to sway someone's opinion on my writing syntax
23:18 < RangerZ1> using vagrant and puppet, so it might be stupid easy to setup and run too
23:18 <@Dagmar> In this case, the object is "the user" which is UNgendered
23:18 <@Dagmar> That makes the use of "they" and "them" ENTIRELY fucking correct
23:19 <@wilpig> that's making me want to go search against the opendcim tree for "wtf" just to see how many times i've put that as a code comment
23:19 <@Dagmar> It's like these bitches don't even know what an indirect and direct object are
23:19 <@Dagmar> ...or subjects or some shit like that
23:19 <@Dagmar> It's been 20+ years.  I'm allowed to be vague as to what the fuck
23:19 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: most people actually forget those terms
23:19 <@Dagmar> I just speak the goddamn language.
23:19 <@wilpig> weird.  only 5
23:20 < RangerZ1> myself included, but we know what sounds right, and what doesn't
23:20 <@wilpig> ./report_diverse_power_exceptions.php:WTF was this supposed to be doing?
23:20 <@wilpig> ./report_power_utilization.php:WTF was this supposed to be doing?
23:20 <@Dagmar> ...but they're using a pronoun to indicate a specifically ungendered noun.  It's both correct to use an ungendered pronoun, and entirely incorrect to use a gendered one
23:20 <@wilpig> I think those were meant for dolemite
23:21 <@Dagmar> For my part, I'm offended that I had to just go look up shit written at a high school level
23:22 <@wilpig> meh.  stupid argument to begin with.  dig a pit, push em all in, fill the pit with concrete
23:22 <@wilpig> leave a sign as a memorial
23:23 <@Dagmar> Now I'm going to do my part for equal rights by looking into how to purchase tickets to that Suicide Girls show this wee
23:23 <@wilpig> asshole
23:23 <@wilpig> I wanna go
23:23 <@Dagmar> ...because tattoo covered trollops deserve just as much attention as "the popular models"
23:23 <@wilpig> I did get my tickets in teh mail for clutch though
23:24 <@SuMo_D> go tatted awesome girls
23:27 <@Dagmar> Damnit.  I knew I should have looked into this earlier.
23:27 <@Dagmar> Looks like the "seats" are sold out.  Standing tickets only.
23:27 <@Dagmar> I'll be takin' my fancy duds to the dry cleaners for this even
23:28 <@wilpig> they didn't have many seats to begin with
23:29 <@wilpig> bah.  I need to get to sleep
23:29 <@wilpig> night bitches
23:35 < RangerZ1> nice... i fully crashed chrome in windows
23:35 < RangerZ1> don't think i've done that before, lol
23:38 <@Dagmar> lol
23:38 <@Dagmar> Someone gfucked up
23:38 <@Dagmar> I apparently don't have any timesheet to fill out
23:39 <@Dagmar> EVENTUALLY they're going to realize that I'm not going to cave in and start filling out the thing _in advance_ when there's a checkbox that says "I certify this to be correct"
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