--- Log opened Wed Nov 27 00:00:35 2013
00:29 <@Dagmar> So the new TV _exactly_ fits the inside of the bookcase.
00:30 <@Dagmar> I *may* just modify the thing a bit more in the spring by reversing the upper part and repainting it
00:30 <@Dagmar> All things considered it's working out better than any normal TV stand... although it does look a bit like I've got the obelisk from 2001 at the foot of my bed.
00:31 <@Dagmar> I'm having a problem finding fault with that, actually.
00:40 < RangerZ> better than the space baby
00:40 < RangerZ> with wilpig's head on the baby body
00:41 <@Dagmar> I think I'm going to have to get a USB switch
00:41 <@oddball> Dagmar: Need to borrow my copy of 2001 to make the feeling complete?
00:41 <@Dagmar> Maybe
00:41 <@Dagmar> The mk808 has *one* USB port
00:41 <@Dagmar> I have a Logitech mouse and keyboard.
00:41 <@Dagmar> I also have a bluetooth dongle.
00:41 < RangerZ> i honestly hated the movie when i had to watch it in 'history of motion pictures' in college
00:41 < RangerZ> the teacher ruined the movie before it even started
00:42 < RangerZ> just over analyzed it, etc
00:45 <@Dagmar> I am hoping "Tablet Remote" will do the trick
01:13 <@Dagmar> Nope.  doesn't work worth a damn
01:29 < RangerZ> for your TV?
01:29 < RangerZ> XMBC's android app is really good
01:34 < RangerZ> http://nashvillerhinestone.com/2013/11/26/nashville-copes-with-heaviest-snowfall-since-july/
02:03 <@sasquatc4> i prefer yatse, i used the xbmc one for a while, but yatse just worked way way better
02:17 <@SuMo_D> does anybody in here do laser cutting and have a good acrylic supplier?
02:17 <@SuMo_D> that is internet based?
02:20 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: not anymore, the shop I worked at closed
02:20 < RangerZ> Dagmar: https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13402-Inside-CIG-Developing-The-HUD
02:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Inside CIG: Developing the HUD - Roberts Space Industries (at robertsspaceindustries.com)
02:21 <@SuMo_D> sad :(
02:21 <@Dagmar> Someone's making acrylic Ingress badges
02:21 <@Dagmar> I'll find out who and get back to you tomorrow
02:35 <@SuMo_D> Thanks Dagmar appreciate it
02:37 <@SuMo_D> A friend of mine, just introduced me to a friend of hers... and yeah... we are clicking really well and brewing up all sorts of mischief... and going to try to get a business plan together to submit to the State for the Artist business initiative so we can buy a laser cutter
02:37 <@SuMo_D> cause... we need a laser cutter damnit!
02:37 <@SuMo_D> it needs to happen... one way or the other... one day
02:41 <@SuMo_D> So we can do shit like this http://www.thingiverse.com/image:78615
02:41 < GateKeeper> Title: Image of Tardis : Laser cut cardboard version - Thingiverse (at www.thingiverse.com)
02:41 <@SuMo_D> all the time...
02:49 < aestetix_> vagina
03:06 < aestetix_> http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/1rjtrc/topsecret_document_reveals_nsa_spied_on_porn/
03:06 < GateKeeper> Title: Top-Secret Document Reveals NSA Spied On Porn Habits As Part Of Plan To Discredit 'Radicalizers' : worldnews (at www.reddit.com)
03:06 < aestetix_> Shadow404: willing to bet the NSA knows about butt play?
03:09 < RangerZ> man ...ftw...hoover was a fucking crossdresser or....something... (seems like there is a new 'term' every time i turn around for gender/sex identity combo)
03:10 < aestetix_> just remember
03:10 < aestetix_> it's "trans" not "tranny"
03:32 < RangerZ> i work with one apparently
03:32 < RangerZ> and had classes with one
03:32 < RangerZ> I don't really pay attention, i just thought they were ugly girls
03:32 < RangerZ> *shrugs*
03:42 <@SuMo_D> yes... trans... not tranny...
03:42 <@SuMo_D> Dude! you know when you think things are fucked... and you fix them and you feel awesome
03:42 <@SuMo_D> yeah... that right now
03:44 <@SuMo_D> got the weird new power cords for the LED panels to work properly.. yea for wire strippers!
03:45 <@SuMo_D> or maybe its the power metal
03:45 <@SuMo_D> everything is better with power metal
03:56 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkmlujV-TvU
03:56 < GateKeeper> Title: HAMMERFALL - Any Means Necessary (OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
06:59 <@Shadow404> whats up slackers
06:59 <@Shadow404> aestetix_: butt play in general or butt play and me?
07:00 <@Shadow404> but that article your talking about....the govt has been doing that for years to discredit people
07:00 <@Shadow404> especially church radicals where any deviation is taken as an act against god
07:22 < frsilent> thought of this when I saw SuMo link that & then shadow's butt play comment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfB7vF7nCdA
07:22 < GateKeeper> Title: Steel Panther - Death To All But Metal (Explicit) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
07:22 < frsilent> "Death to all but metal or death to all butt-metal?"
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07:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:40 <@Shadow404> lawl
07:41 <@Shadow404> morning Dolemite
07:41 <@Shadow404> frsilent: to bad its explicit, ill watch it on my phone in a sec
07:44 < frsilent> http://xkcd.com/1296/
07:44 < GateKeeper> Title: xkcd: Git Commit (at xkcd.com)
07:45  * frsilent looks at some of the commits over this past week, lol
07:46 < frsilent> 'survery has one r, not two'
07:46 <@NotLarry> Good morning everyone.
07:46 < frsilent> gm NotLarry & company
07:47 < frsilent> lol, 'intermediate commit.....choice set stufffffffs'
07:47 <@NotLarry> Haydeez layed the bike down in the rain yesterday.  He is ok, need a new brake line on the front (I think) and that should put him back in business.
07:48 <@NotLarry> So it looks like I get to drive to murfreesboro tonight to bring him ome for thanksgiving.
07:54 <@wilpig> dang
07:55 <@wilpig> frsilent: I think they've been looking at the opendcim github submissions.  hehe
07:57 < frsilent> so hard to make meaningful commit messages
07:57 < frsilent> especially if I'm fixing things that I broke in the first place
07:57 <@wilpig> https://github.com/samilliken/openDCIM/commit/f1648f54dd39caf29dcb72f9407a54ddceeb8745
07:57 < GateKeeper> Title: Doh! @7ee60de · f1648f5 · samilliken/openDCIM · GitHub (at github.com)
07:58 < frsilent> or committed so I could look at it later on a different station
07:58 < frsilent> nice
07:58 <@wilpig> and teh second example right after that
07:58 <@wilpig> https://github.com/samilliken/openDCIM/commit/59335928371d4b21870a654899f07648aee28d57
07:58 < GateKeeper> Title: 15:52 <@Dolemite> need to go ahead and regen the language files and get ... · 5933592 · samilliken/openDCIM · GitHub (at github.com)
07:59 < frsilent> at least you use console.log for debugging; before graduating college I had to manage part-time employees
08:00 < frsilent> only kid there that I would absolutely refuse to have work with me ever again once pushed an alert(penis) to a newspaper property of ours with over 20k hits a day
08:00 <@wilpig> lol
08:00 < frsilent> thank god he forgot the ; so it just broke the page
08:02 < frsilent> even worse than that aborption of testing and submitting code instead of pushing it live is he tried to argue with me when I berated him for it
08:10 <@NotLarry> wilpig: how is the weather?
08:12 <@wilpig> rainy
08:12 <@wilpig> but otherwise just fine
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09:18 <@NotLarry> fuck, ubuntu is slow as fuck
09:20 <@NotLarry> screen keeps graying out.
09:48 <@Dickie> fuck
09:49  * wilpig takes off his pants
09:49  * Mirage hands wilpig some vaseline
09:50 <@wilpig> it's about to be a party up in here
09:57 <@wilpig> bah.  expecting 500 hard drives to be delivered and got keyboards instead
09:58 <@brimstone> now you just need 500 monkeys
09:59 <@wilpig> wouldn't that be typewriters?
10:01 <@brimstone> stop living in the past
10:02 <@Shadow404> wilpig: how'd that happen?
10:02 <@wilpig> next you're gonna tell me that they will share three keyboards.  right?
10:04 <@brimstone> you said you got 500 keyboards
10:04 <@brimstone> directions unclear, where do you want the 500 monkeys placed?
10:04 <@wilpig> I said I was expecting 500 hard drives but got keyboards.  I didn't specify the amount
10:07 <@Dolemite> Shaved or unshaved monkeys?
10:08 <@brimstone> variety pack
10:08 <@brimstone> it was on sale
10:08 <@wilpig> where do you get them on sale from?
10:08 <@brimstone> Costco
10:09 <@wilpig> damn.  they have everything
10:09 <@brimstone> in 12 packs too
10:09 <@wilpig> hahaha "i've got a take a shit so big kim kardashian might try to marry it"  lol
10:09 <@wilpig> gotta love brickleberry
10:11 <@Shadow404> must of been imports from India
10:21 <@Dolemite> Nearly burned my fingerprints off last night trying to carve the turkey
10:21 <@Dolemite> Some would say that I should just let it cool, first...   but TURKEY
10:21 <@Dolemite> HOT JUICY TURKEY
10:26 <@Mirage> If anyone misses me since I've moved, you can get me this for xmas: http://www.amazon.com/Modernist-Cuisine-The-Science-Cooking/dp/0982761007
10:27 <@Mirage> It's evenn on sale right now.
10:35 <@wilpig> I need a haircut
10:40  * Shadow404 gets a razor
10:45 <@Shadow404> bitcoin just hit $1k/coin
10:47 <@brimstone> but not in an exchange where you can transfer USD to your bank
10:47 <@brimstone> or pocket
11:02 < eryc> http://betherave.com/2013/11/sexiest-twerk-choreography-ever/
11:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Sexiest Twerk Choreography... Ever? (at betherave.com)
11:02 < eryc> Happy Twerksgiving!
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11:08 < RangerZ> eryc: apparently twerking is part of new orleans black dance culture and has been around a long time
11:09 < RangerZ> so they would probably disagree, but I agree, lol
11:15 < RangerZ> wow....
11:15 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3cMw5aaKZM
11:15 < GateKeeper> Title: TigerDirect TV: Girls Guide To Computing - Build A PC - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:15 < RangerZ> this is so sexist
11:16 < RangerZ> because girls build computers differently than guys do....
11:16 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: If you build a PC wearing that kind of gear to avoid accidental static discharge, I don't want to know.
11:17 <@Dagmar> IS that twerk URL work safe?
11:17 < RangerZ> noo
11:18 < RangerZ> audio isn't
11:18 <@Dagmar> Okay.  I'll just bookmark it then
11:18 < RangerZ> video ...'ehh'
11:18 < RangerZ> so i'd just wait
11:18 <@Dagmar> I'm just wondering how the fuck twerking can be sexits
11:18 <@Dagmar> er sexist
11:18 <@Dagmar> It's a thing that's only appropriate for ONE sex
11:19 < RangerZ> sexiest != all that sexy, but its better than anything else i've seen
11:19 < RangerZ> they mixed in zumba/dance moves, etc
11:19 < RangerZ> they are actual dancers doing it
11:19 < RangerZ> thats all
11:20 <@Shadow404> i can twerk it
11:20 <@Shadow404> wanna see?
11:21 <@Dagmar> I do believe I just said it was only appropriate for one gender.
11:21 <@Shadow404> appropriate....true
11:21 <@Shadow404> doable is another story
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11:26 < RangerZ> Shadow404: i am officially saying that your girl should be the only 'ever' of the two of you twerking, and if you do it, she should slap you upside the head
11:26 <@Dolemite> Shadow404 should be slapped upside the head whether he tries twerking or not.
11:27 < RangerZ> ^
11:35 <@Shadow404> heh
11:52 <@wilpig> can we sell tickets to that?
11:52 <@wilpig> chances to hit shadow?
11:53 <@Shadow404> uh, no
11:55 <@wilpig> you don't get a vote
11:55 <@wilpig> I mean they wouldn't sell as good as tickets to punch cerkit in the face, or ware but I think they'd sell okay
12:07 <@Dolemite> If you really want them to sell, just pick one lucky ticket holder to also kick him in the nuts.
12:07 <@wilpig> What about make them all kicks in the nuts?
12:08 <@wilpig> "Sterilize Shadow404: 2013"
12:09 <@Dolemite> I think the chance at being the exclusive nut kicker will sell better.  Scarcity increases price.  Supply and demand.
12:09 <@wilpig> public good?
12:10 <@Dolemite> ok, I'm out of here.  nothing happening today.
12:10 <@Dolemite> Later
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12:58 <@SuMo_D> wilpig: http://njmakerspace.org/
12:58 < GateKeeper> Title: New Jersey Makerspace Association (at njmakerspace.org)
13:14 <@wilpig> interesting
13:15 <@SuMo_D> also but metal!
13:15 <@SuMo_D> yeah I saw the recent Sarah Silverman special... it wasn't as special as she used to be
13:15 <@wilpig> I haven't seen it yet
13:16 <@wilpig> heard a couple of reviews that she was trying too hard to be part of the boys club and lost that spark that made her unique
13:16 <@SuMo_D> Also... I think its supposed to be fore girls, cause... she's speaking in a higher octave and keeps using the the word... easy
13:16 <@Dagmar> She lost that tinge of feigned innocence
13:16 <@SuMo_D> yeah... I just found it boring
13:17 <@SuMo_D> she was trying too hard
13:17 <@Dagmar> Oh sorry it's a no-go on the info about acrylic laser cutting
13:17 <@Dagmar> The person in question is on my shitlist at the moment
13:18 <@wilpig> lol
13:18 <@Dagmar> It was that trailer monkey Terry
13:18 <@wilpig> that's a big list
13:18 <@SuMo_D> Thanks angway Dagmar
13:18 <@Dagmar> No, I generally do not keep grudges
13:18 <@SuMo_D> *anyway
13:18 <@Dagmar> Otherwise it *would* be a really big list
13:19 <@SuMo_D> I got a lead or two on some local sources... so hopefully they pan out
13:20 <@SuMo_D> there is a local couple that run a business using theirs and I saw the man recently and he gave me the name of a good supplier but I can't remember it.
13:22 <@SuMo_D> I'm not sure how specific we need to be fore the phase one, but I really want to make this happen grant or no grant...  the girl I just met... we're on the same level and we have both have dreams of lasers for a few years now and I think if we both go in on it, and we support each other's businesses we could make it work. (fingers crossed) just... depending on the funding that'll determine our timeline
13:28 <@wilpig> SuMo_D: did you check with any of the local sign shops?
13:28 <@SuMo_D> that's on the list
13:30 <@SuMo_D> I thought we had till Feb. to get this sorted, but that's when the final proposals are due, letters of intent are due Dec 13th, which... have an art show the 14th, and a kids workshop (which thankfully isn't mandatory I attend for once) but yeah... moved up my oh gotta get this done yesterday whoops thoughts
13:31 <@SuMo_D> I did it last year, trying to get them to fund a better 3D printer... but yeah... art people, especially art admin people...in the south... can be weird
13:33 <@SuMo_D> Like I probably would have had a better chance saying hey - please help fund me get a alpaca for fiber arts than anything to do with *gasp* electronics or computers... cause you know.... there's never any overlap
13:33 <@wilpig> lol
13:33 <@Dagmar> Well, that depends on what your tolerance for "inadvisable sciences" is
13:33 <@wilpig> you might try to get one.  that could be amusing
13:33 <@Dagmar> God forbid anyone try and solve the problem of the complete lack of robotic murder llamas
13:34 <@SuMo_D> I'm pretty sure they're up to that in Japan
13:34 <@SuMo_D> ;0
13:34 <@SuMo_D> and yeah... they poop... not amused by poop
13:34 <@SuMo_D> I already have my printer pooping PLA if you don't tend to her constantly
13:35 <@SuMo_D> she is so cute though <3 little printer bot jr
13:35 <@SuMo_D> did you guys see the new printerbot v2 Go - it folds up into a suitcase!
13:35 <@Dagmar> The thing that keeps me from buying one to play with is that, by item count, my apartment is probably 20% "fiddly little bits"
13:35 <@Dagmar> The last thing I need is a machine to make *more* "fiddly little bits"
13:36 <@wilpig> lol
13:36 <@SuMo_D> word
13:36 <@wilpig> there is an easy way to fix that.  move.
13:36 <@wilpig> I am still coming to grips with how much I shed this last time
13:36 <@SuMo_D> well... they are great publicity... if you guys ever get a hacker space together again... the printerbots especially the jrs are easy to transport and easy to setup and people go crazy for them at events
13:37 <@SuMo_D> at PN next year there should be a bits and pieces exchange
13:37 <@SuMo_D> like a big table... people bring stuff to swap or donate
13:37 <@SuMo_D> ?
13:37 <@SuMo_D> sell off the rest
13:37 <@wilpig> we;ve done that in the past
13:37 <@SuMo_D> or donate it to Makers Local or something
13:37 <@wilpig> well had a free for all table
13:38 <@SuMo_D> yeah? and it just became a big pile of junk or ?
13:38 <@brimstone> yeah, dump it on those guys
13:38 <@brimstone> they love stuff!
13:38 <@SuMo_D> :)
13:38 <@wilpig> it had everything from political literature to where the fuck did you find an mca scsi card
13:38 <@SuMo_D> oh scsi....
13:38 <@SuMo_D> memories
13:39 <@SuMo_D> my friend and I had a how many can you dasiy chain together before bad things happen bet once
13:39 <@SuMo_D> I think it as 9
13:39 <@wilpig> up to 21
13:39 <@SuMo_D> well.... we got to 9
13:39 <@SuMo_D> anyway food time
13:39 <@SuMo_D> ttyl
13:40 <@SuMo_D> Death Metal + Power Metal Makes everything EVEN BETTER - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ5J3N4FcmA
13:40 < GateKeeper> Title: Scar Symmetry - The Illusionist - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:42 <@wilpig> I just finished mine.  gonna go pickup another damned package from security, take a piss, then setup this lab for the redhat class next week
13:57 < aestetix_> well
13:57 < aestetix_> I had no idea penny arcade was a company
13:58 < aestetix_> I thought it was just a webcomic
14:00 <@rattle> Once you've got a website with a few million eyeballs, you're a company.  Period.
14:00 <@rattle> In their case, they are a full on enterprise.  The PAX cons, etc..
14:07 <@Dagmar> Yeah someone on news.y called them out about their job posting
14:07 <@Dagmar> ...and I don't blame them
14:13 < aestetix_> http://forums.penny-arcade.com/discussion/185114/about-the-penny-arcade-job-posting
14:13 < GateKeeper> Title: About the Penny Arcade Job Posting - Penny Arcade Forums (at forums.penny-arcade.com)
14:13 < aestetix_> this is what kills me
14:16 <@rattle> Damn, their stack sucks.  EE is a nightmare.
14:18 < aestetix_> EE?
14:20 <@rattle> ExpressionEngine
14:20 < aestetix_> ahh
14:20 <@rattle> Really challenging to manage a test -> stage -> production style development/QA thing in a clustered environment.
14:21 <@rattle> The abstractions between database resident content and theme stuff is all wrong..
14:21 <@rattle> Horrible platform.
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15:44 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSttdssJniA
15:44 < GateKeeper> Title: AMAZING Facts About Vaginas! Youll Never Believe These! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:44 < RangerZ> aestetix_: RIGHT AT YOU
15:45 < RangerZ> a vagina can 'fall out'
15:49 <@rattle> https://www.getshittens.com/
15:49 < GateKeeper> Title: Shittens - disposable, mitten-shaped wet wipes (at www.getshittens.com)
16:21 <@wilpig> this is how you setup a temp learning lab for a redhat class https://www.dropbox.com/s/zner89jmk9j78cl/2013-11-27%2016.16.58.jpg
16:21 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 2013-11-27 16.16.58.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
16:22 <@brimstone> mhmm ikea tables
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16:56 <@SuMo_D> that looks similar to our kids coding labs
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17:33 < RangerZ> http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/11/27/1955239/the-burning-bridges-of-ubuntu
17:33 < GateKeeper> Title: The Burning Bridges of Ubuntu - Slashdot (at news.slashdot.org)
17:33 < RangerZ> hmmm
17:33 < RangerZ> i wonder what will be 'the next' distro
17:33 < RangerZ> debian?
19:05 <@wilpig> I had to change the lab setup around a little before I left. it doesnt' look as nice now
19:15 <@wilpig> do I cook the ham tonight or wait til tomorrow?
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19:46 < aestetix_> what's new pussycat
19:49 <@Shadow404> yeast infection?
19:57 <@Shadow404> anyone still use vent?
20:05 < RangerZ> Shadow404: i have recently
20:05 < RangerZ> i still prefer teamspeak
20:07 <@Shadow404> meh, whyyyyyy
20:07 <@Shadow404> vent is so quick
20:07 <@wilpig> I have a vent server
20:07 <@wilpig> the client for vent is so much lighter weight than everything else
20:07 <@Shadow404> yeah, i was gonna use it for rocket launches in the #space channel for real time voice discussion
20:07 <@Shadow404> so alost never
20:07 <@Shadow404> wilpig: thats been my argueent
20:08 <@Shadow404> but everyone else is so like, ts and muble is better, blah blah blah
20:08 <@wilpig> look at the four majors.  mumblr, ts, vent, skype
20:08 <@Shadow404> vent is quick, lite, and secure, thats all i want
20:08 <@Shadow404> i dont need 400 threads
20:08 <@Shadow404> i dont need unix support, i just need one port, 10 max voice threads
20:09 <@Shadow404> and 1 lobby
20:09 <@Shadow404> done
20:09 <@wilpig> mine is setup for 25 people.  used to be 50
20:09 <@Shadow404> yeah, i can expand on a dime, but yeah, just a simple, script i can run from my phone, server starts up and runs till i kill it
20:09 <@Shadow404> done
20:09 <@Shadow404> client is on my usb key bam
20:11 <@wilpig> mine... it's running all the time
20:11 <@Shadow404> wilpig: wtf, disney movies?
20:11 <@wilpig> copper.typefrag.com:3830  I think
20:11 <@Shadow404> have you gona soft?
20:12 <@wilpig> no, just adding them in.  I already had them
20:12 <@wilpig> my brother is connecting a roku to me rightnow
20:12 <@Shadow404> wilpig: no luck on that host:port
20:13 <@Shadow404> nm, login/password
20:13 <@Shadow404> hehe
20:13 <@wilpig> copper.typefrag.com:3830   lolhax is the password
20:13 <@wilpig> it's been that for at least 5 years now.  
20:13 <@Shadow404> who is filthy whore seath?
20:14 <@wilpig> seath
20:14 <@Shadow404> yeah, very descriptive?
20:14 <@wilpig> that's his name.  seath
20:14 <@wilpig> you don't know him.  :P
20:15 <@Shadow404> of course i dont
20:15 <@Shadow404> but i recognize the channel structure/names
20:15 <@Shadow404> from scotchick era
20:16 <@Shadow404> we raided a few times
20:16 <@wilpig> you're now a registered user
20:16 <@Shadow404> cool
20:16 <@Shadow404> by client id or ip?
20:16 <@wilpig> there are so many users in that list now
20:17 <@Shadow404> cause im still dynaic
20:17 <@wilpig> you'll know if you're authenticated correctly or not, next time you get on
20:17 <@wilpig> it will be obvious
20:17 <@Shadow404> lawl, ok
20:17 <@Shadow404> good answer
20:19 <@wilpig> i'm not gonna fuck with this ham til tomorrow
20:28 < aestetix_> ok so
20:28 < aestetix_> in a job interview
20:28 < aestetix_> is it ever appropriate to say bad things about your current company?
20:28 < aestetix_> ie "it's a sinking ship and the pay is shit"
20:31 <@Shadow404> yeah, no
20:32 < aestetix_> yeah I figured
20:32 <@Shadow404> find a better way to say the same thing in a matter of words
20:32 < aestetix_> I had an interview today and said "I don't like the commute"
20:34 <@Shadow404> thats a hard sell even
20:40 < aestetix_> Shadow404: how do you recommend to phrase things
20:41 <@Shadow404> "I prefer a job closer to home or with the option of telecommuting at least one or two days a week or greater"
20:41 < aestetix_> yeah that's what I basically said
20:41 <@Shadow404> gets your point across, in so many words without being negative
20:42 < aestetix_> what about the other ones
20:42 <@Shadow404> I'm looking to advance my career
20:42 <@Shadow404> pay is a tough convo
20:42 < aestetix_> yeah
20:42 < aestetix_> I didn't mention being underpaid because that opens the door for "how much do you want?"
20:42 < aestetix_> and that's not a fun convo
20:43 <@Shadow404> and then they will go to the next canidate that is just about as exp'ed as you
20:43 < aestetix_> yep
20:47 < aestetix_> https://github.com/KartikTalwar/gmail.js
20:47 < GateKeeper> Title: KartikTalwar/gmail.js · GitHub (at github.com)
20:48 < aestetix_> this seems like a bad idea
21:03 < RangerZ> yeah... not good
21:03 < RangerZ> if google WANTED /thought you could provide a secure JS API, they WOULD
22:01 < aestetix_> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cicada_3301
22:01 < GateKeeper> Title: Cicada 3301 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
22:01 < aestetix_> interesting
22:04 < aestetix_> http://www.clevcode.org/cicada-3301/
22:10 < RangerZ> there was a facebook ad like this
22:10 < RangerZ> that was for reverse engineering
22:10 < aestetix_> it's kinda like a ctf challenge
22:10 < RangerZ> i got to the 3rd stage
22:10 < RangerZ> and just stopped b/c i was bored
22:10 < RangerZ> they refused to say what the job was for, or anything
22:10 < RangerZ> so 'ehh'
22:24 < RangerZ> so i've come to the conclusion...  that OSS needs a kick in the ass
22:25 < RangerZ> things like maven, which all be it... make great platforms, need to hunker down and have better 'default' settings
22:26 < RangerZ> it is not at ALL obvious/easy to make a java application that is executable by "java -jar _____.jar"
22:28 < aestetix_> that is correct
22:32 < RangerZ> i finally have a template that I've made myself
22:32 < RangerZ> and it works
22:32 < RangerZ> and it isn't insanely complex like a lot of the others i've seen
22:32 < RangerZ> and its like...wtf
22:34 < RangerZ> i 'could' make a 'paradigm' but... that isn't how this should work, it should be done by maven itself
22:39 < RangerZ> but that raises all kinds of problems
22:40 < RangerZ> if you 'learn' how to do complex things that you want... but you are reliant upon a plugin... and that plugin goes deprecated, or changes its behavior, etc... you're boned
22:41 < RangerZ> (maven itself handles that better than most... but still) if you need to upgrade for some outside reason, you could be boned
22:45 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_K6971WmAs
22:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Vanilla Ice Ninja Rap [HD] Go Ninja, Go Ninja GO! - High Quality - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:02 < aestetix_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zw7sjWkeMKs
23:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Defcon 21 - The Government and UFOs: A Historical Analysis - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:16 < aestetix_> https://twitter.com/BenedictEvans/status/405730787003097090/photo/1
23:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / BenedictEvans: The great Guru boom is over ... (at twitter.com)
23:55 < aestetix_> http://i.imgur.com/0HFaBx8.jpg
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