--- Log opened Wed Nov 20 00:00:28 2013 00:04 <@NotLarry> Just rinse it out under a cold running water. That will get all of the static electricity out of it. 00:25 < RangerZ> NotLarry: you joke... but we had an old lady who was at one of our old hotels when i did support for that 00:25 < RangerZ> and she washed the in room DSL modem b/c she thought it was dusty 00:25 <@Bahhumbug> She was just trying to help. 00:27 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: I worked with a power converter, used meggers (-sp?) to create a very large dc voltage. It's parts got soaked in saltwater once. 00:27 <@NotLarry> Not the sort of thing we could replace. We had to wash off each part with distilled water:| 00:27 < RangerZ> aestetix_: you here? got a sanfran question for you 00:29 <@NotLarry> @weather 00:29 < GateKeeper> NotLarry: San Francisco, Argentina :: Partly Cloudy :: 72F | Wednesday: Mostly cloudy with a chance of rain in the morning, then overcast. High of 81F. Winds from the SSE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of rain 20%. Wednesday Night: Mostly cloudy. Low of 63F. Winds from the SSE at 5 to 15 mph. 00:29 <@ladymerlin> whee 00:32 <@SuMo_D> weeeee! 00:32 <@SuMo_D> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6A0p-U1LBbQ 00:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Weeeeeeeeeee | Gonads and Strife? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 01:48 <@Corydon76-work> Wow, "Person of Interest" pulled out the stops. 01:59 <@SuMo_D> my dad watches that show... I've only seen the opening... creepy but somewhat interesting concept 02:00 <@SuMo_D> Corydon76-work did you see Almost Human? I thought it was going to be cheesy cause of the ad... but it was actually decent 02:01 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: No, that's not a show I record 02:01 <@SuMo_D> it just started 02:01 <@SuMo_D> I think Monday? 02:01 <@SuMo_D> I saw it on on-demand 02:01 <@Corydon76-work> Network TV? 02:02 <@Corydon76-work> or cable? 02:03 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, Fox. Found it. 02:03 <@Corydon76-work> It's been added to my MythTV schedule 02:04 <@Corydon76-work> I need to cancel a few shows. I record more than I can watch currently 02:13 <@SuMo_D> yeah, that can be a problem 02:13 <@SuMo_D> good problem to have though I guess 02:13 <@SuMo_D> means you're doing other stuff ? 02:57 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:09 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 03:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 03:10 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04 < aestetix_> RangerZ: hi 05:43 < aestetix_> vagina 07:55 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has joined #se2600 07:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 07:55 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:01 <@Shadow404> waz up pimp 08:25 < wilpig_> everyone know what time it is? 08:26 <@Dolemite> String cheese time 08:28 < wilpig_> oh yeah. that too 08:28 < wilpig_> I was thinking it's xcom time 08:32 <@Shadow404> sigh 08:32 <@Shadow404> you are addicted 08:32 <@Shadow404> i need to look into that further 08:38 < wilpig_> not addicted. it's just a good game 08:39 <@Dolemite> We're talking about the string cheese, not the game 08:40 <@Dolemite> So we are moving off of Service Desk Express and over to Service Now 08:40 <@Dolemite> The guy in charge said that he put together some training videos for us 08:40 <@Dolemite> They are just canned videos from the main website, which do not give any of the specifics to our installation 08:40 < wilpig_> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=196629012 08:40 < GateKeeper> Title: Steam Community :: Screenshot :: Awww crap (at steamcommunity.com) 08:41 <@Dolemite> I see another head butting when I ask him to actually give instructions for how people can put things into my queue 08:41 < wilpig_> Dolemite: nice! have fun with that 08:41 <@Dolemite> Yeah, he's a real sumbitch 08:41 < wilpig_> 6 guys on the other side of the building there all that want to kill me. I only have four operatives on this mission. this could end poorly 08:41 <@Dolemite> I finally updated the opendcim website with the list of users that have given permission 08:42 <@Dolemite> AT&T Israel emailed me this morning and gave permission to list 08:43 < wilpig_> AT&T Israel? heh. 09:00 <@Dolemite> yep 09:01 <@Dolemite> And I quote 09:01 <@Dolemite> "Just letting you know that I’ve implemented OpenDCIM at our production & everybody loves it !" 09:01 < wilpig_> I just find that country in particular amusing cause we have two of the network engineering guys for tumblr there right now 09:02 <@Dolemite> Israel decided back in the 70s to heavily invest in technology R&D, which is why so many tech companies have presence there 09:03 <@Dolemite> They don't really have any natural resources for manufacturing, so it makes a lot of sense 09:03 <@Shadow404> so got a question....if building security has been told repeatedly that "non-handicapped" individuals are parking in handicap spots, (verefied by observance and the fact their car has no handicap decals, rearview mirror sign or anything), is there any recourse i can take with some sort of ADA organization or with the authorities? 09:04 <@Dolemite> That's the same shift that a lot of the oil producing countries are starting to make - because when oil is no longer king, they will have ZERO value to the world, otherwise 09:04 < wilpig_> local leo would be my guess 09:04 <@Shadow404> leo? 09:04 <@Dolemite> law enforcement officer 09:04 < wilpig_> ^ 09:04 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: yeah, british telecom is a huge longhaul in israel 09:04 <@Shadow404> ok, i think ill contact the closest department 09:05 <@Shadow404> also thinking about sending an anonymous letter to the Georgia ADA, building security and managament 09:05 <@Shadow404> stating letters have been sent to all 3 individuals 09:06 <@Shadow404> just pisses me off when i saw a handicap person irate that all the spots were taken and she had to ask for help getting her wheelchair out of her car 09:08 <@Dolemite> Depending on local codes, some tow companies are authorized to tow and impound cars that violate the handicap parking laws 09:08 < wilpig_> Shadow404: they're responsible for codes enforcement. those are expensive tickets too 09:08 <@Dolemite> If that's the case, a local towing company would LOVE for you to call them, because it means that they get paid 09:09 <@Dolemite> I remember that in Buckhead the tow trucks were authorized to tow without LEO present 09:10 <@Dolemite> wilpig_: Oh, I also added Jose to the Key Contributors section, since he's done quite a bit - in translation more than anything else 09:10 <@Dolemite> but also he's added a decent amount of code 09:12 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: Why, because there aren't enough Handicap parking spaces? 09:12 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: its a carded parking deck, so no go on tow trucks 09:13 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, and the reason there aren't enough spaces is because the law makes no distinction between "Handicapped" and "Disabled", which means a lot of people who are perfectly capable of walking take the spaces. 09:13 <@Dolemite> Well then the building management would have to be involved. 09:13 <@Shadow404> exactly my problem, they aren't taking any action whatsoever 09:14 <@Shadow404> per reports from multiple co-workers that have told security 09:14 <@Shadow404> so how can we get them to take action, im guessing i need to talk to a leo 09:14 <@Shadow404> for advisement on how to proceed 09:14 <@Corydon76-work> You can't force building management to let tow trucks in, but LEOs can ticket the vehicles 09:15 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: about 3 handicap spaces right next to deck elevators, per level, but always taken by some suv with no handicap tags 09:15 <@Corydon76-work> It's a nice pricey ticket, too 09:15 <@Shadow404> ok, ill call LEO later today and get started 09:15 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: You watch, it'll be building management in that SUV 09:16 <@Shadow404> and if they are truly disabled, well they will remember to display their tag, after they have to go prove it to a judge 09:16 <@Shadow404> annoying for them, but this allows us to deal with the actual asshats 09:16 <@Corydon76-work> You watch; if it's building management, the blue spaces will be blacked out quite quickly 09:18 <@Shadow404> we'll see, building management usually parks up top 09:18 <@Shadow404> cause they have their own carded section that only they can park in, so i dont think thats the case now 09:18 <@Shadow404> if its actually security....well, this will be fun once, hopefully, leo gets involved 09:19 <@Corydon76-work> You could always stick up a temporary hidden camera and retrieve it later 09:22 <@Dolemite> The other route is to convince a disabled person to complain to HR about it. ADA is a law, not a government agency that you can contact. It's up to codes to enforce it. HR is the easiest route to make that happen. 09:25 <@Shadow404> hrmm, not a bad idea...HR can complain to building management and then if they dont take appropriate action to enforce the spots or create more spots, then HR can take legal action 09:25 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-work: good idea on the camera and i have the equipment..... 09:26 <@Shadow404> just gotta get their early enough in the morning ot get a good spot to get the angle ill need 09:26 <@Corydon76-work> My experience with HR is that you get a "Thank you for your concern" and your complaint gets neatly filed and nothing ever goes further. 09:27 <@Shadow404> well, ill document this by sending the complaint via email... and then followup in person if i dont get anything a few days later 09:28 <@Shadow404> this just really pisses me off, i dont even park in handicap spaces to run into a store for a minute.... 09:28 <@Shadow404> even if it requires finding a parkign space far away 09:29 <@Corydon76-work> Or worse, a CYA trick where they send out an email reminding people not to park in the handicap spaces, and nothing is ever done about the actual vehicle parked illegally 09:30 <@Shadow404> thats when i can still take LEO action 09:31 <@Shadow404> and give them all the documentation showing the steps taken, even HR or buildign managements email, and showing nothing has changed 09:32 <@Shadow404> ill give LEO credit, they want you to take the proper steps first 09:33 <@Shadow404> wont hurt getting their suggestions though 09:34 <@Corydon76-work> Are "meter maids" similarly tasked with writing tickets for handicap space violations? 09:34 <@Corydon76-work> That may be a better bet, as it would be their primary job task 09:35 <@Corydon76-work> They may even be compensated with a portion of ticket revenue or have quotas to fill 09:36 <@Corydon76-work> You could be doing them a favor by calling them and letting them know of an easy score. 09:36 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: Depends on your complaint to HR. If it's a clear ADA issue, it's not something that can be glossed over. If you're complaining about Shadow404 farting in your chair, not so much. 09:36 < wilpig_> meter maids are only responsible for parking enforcement where they are stationed or whatever you call it 09:36 <@Dolemite> Yeah, they have a "beat" to cover 09:37 < wilpig_> Dolemite: you never fart in a chair. you wait til your boss leaves for a meeting then crop dust his office 09:37 <@Corydon76-work> http://www.parkatlanta.org/regulations.html 09:37 < GateKeeper> Title: PARKatlanta.org | Parking innovation and service enhancements for the City of Atlanta (at www.parkatlanta.org) 09:37 <@Shadow404> this is dekalb 09:37 <@Shadow404> is that still incorporated atl? 09:38 <@Dolemite> Parts of Dekalb are 09:38 <@Corydon76-work> There's a link on that page to request enforcement. HTML form. 09:38 <@Dolemite> But if you don't even know if your office is in the actual city of Atlanta... *sigh* 09:38 <@brimstone> mine is 09:38 <@Dolemite> kids these days 09:39 * Dolemite picks his cane up over his head and waves it menacingly 09:39 * Dolemite loses his balance and falls over into a pile of paperwork 09:39 <@Shadow404> haha, old man 09:40 <@Corydon76-work> In the realm of "get off my lawn", I've been attempting to plant enough berry bushes and fruit trees so as to perturb the growth of a lawn 09:40 * Shadow404 steps on Dolemite on his way to the copier 09:40 <@Corydon76-work> My English ivy finally took last month and is going everywhere. 09:40 <@Dolemite> Just do like they do in the Southwest - rock yards 09:41 <@Corydon76-work> English ivy looks nicer 09:41 <@Shadow404> damn, they dont cover my area 09:41 <@Shadow404> thats mostly downtown atlanta/buckhead 09:42 <@Dolemite> Just don't plant any wisteria if you plan on staying in the house for > 10 years. I finally managed to cut down all of it from our pergola. It had constricted so tightly around some of the beams I'm going to have to replace them. 09:42 <@Dolemite> I'm sure it was nice the first 10 years, but I think it had been growing for about 15-20. We've only been in the house for 3. 09:56 <@Corydon76-work> Um, isn't that the point of a pergola, though? 09:57 <@Corydon76-work> To have a place for vines to wrap around and produce a specific shaded area? 10:00 <@Mirage> Corydon76-work: that's crazy talk 10:07 <@Dolemite> ok, time to head to DR site and see how many more cables I can trace in the rats nest for documenting 10:07 <@Dolemite> later, kids 10:08 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:08 < nachoguy> Corydon76-work: Lavender, day lillies, hosta, and boxwood are all good for replacing part of your lawn 10:08 < wilpig_> s/DR/top\ secret\ weather\ control\ device/ 10:15 -!- spaceB0x [~spaceB0x@65.82.99.251] has joined #se2600 10:17 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25 -!- spaceB0x [~spaceB0x@65.82.99.251] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:31 -!- benthemeek [~Thunderbi@zixgateway02.nhccare.com] has joined #se2600 10:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 10:36 <@Corydon76-work> Anybody have a good tutorial of LDAP? I really need to gain a better understanding of it, as I'm trying to work with something that uses LDAP, and I keep hitting errors I don't understand and don't know how to debug. 10:36 <@brimstone> one cannot simply "tutorial of LDAP" 10:38 <@Corydon76-work> How does one go about obtaining a good, complete understanding of LDAP? O'Reilly publications would work, as would other books, if it needs to be that in-depth 10:40 <@brimstone> i have no idea 10:41 <@brimstone> i googled a lot years ago 10:49 <@Corydon76-work> O'Reilly has one book that might be good, but it's 10 years old and the reviews say that its best days are over, as the examples are dated. 10:49 <@Shadow404> trivia, where did the source of the word "debug" come from in computers? 10:50 <@Corydon76-work> Actual dead bugs on vacuum tubes 10:50 <@Shadow404> yep 10:51 < wilpig_> Corydon76-work: I had to learn about it while getting the cne. I'd have given you that book before I left nashville had I known 10:52 < aestetix_> penis 10:54 <@Shadow404> no, penis had nothing to do with debugging 10:54 < wilpig_> if that operator hadn't been letting women in through the backdoor that moth would have never gotten in teh door 10:56 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.30.172] has joined #se2600 10:57 <@Corydon76-work> wilpig_: I thought you entered women through the backdoor. 10:57 <@Shadow404> who doesnt? 10:58 <@Corydon76-work> Well, I don't. I only enter men through the backdoor 10:58 < wilpig_> I don't but not by choice 11:02 <@Shadow404> elaborate? 11:03 <@Corydon76-work> He means they won't let him 11:07 <@Shadow404> ah fair enough 11:14 < aestetix_> god I hate databases 11:21 <@Dagmar> wilpig_: Hey on that NOC screen, were those temperatures properly aligned with the camera windows when you left? 11:22 < wilpig_> yes. but if they aren't reload teh screen 11:23 <@Dagmar> Ah okay 11:23 < wilpig_> if they just load the page then go full screen I didn't put in a realign 11:28 <@Dagmar> Ah 11:29 <@Dagmar> The AD guys have changed the DNS suffix search order again. 11:29 <@Dagmar> It is causing many lulz campus-wide 11:29 <@Dagmar> I look forward to being asked to help them out and saying, "Hell, no. Pay me properly and we'll talk. Oh wait, that's exactly why I'm transferring to EAI." 11:30 <@Mirage> Dagmar: get an offer? 11:30 <@Dagmar> Yep 11:31 <@Mirage> Sweet 11:31 <@Dagmar> No immediate change in salary, but after the 30 day probationary period is up, I'm being bumped up to $68k 11:31 <@Mirage> Much better than ITS 11:32 <@Dagmar> Actually the real reason why I'm not about to help with htis problem is that they might well get me to help, but they almost certainly wouldn't give me any actual *backing* on making the problem get solved, so fuck them 11:32 <@Dagmar> If they let me run around campus with a cattle prod that's more than just an interesting prop, I'll get some shit fixed. 11:33 <@Dagmar> Titus downstairs is seeing a slightly /different/ DNS suffix search order coming down from AD 11:33 <@Dagmar> Mac users are as easily confused as they always have been, but now they can't readily mount //bigdatavuhcifs anymore 11:34 <@Dagmar> Why yes that is a rather large and important fileshare to be mounting 11:34 <@Dagmar> heheh 11:35 <@Dagmar> I can't wait for someone to step into the trap of asking me what the root cause is. 11:35 <@Dagmar> "The AD administrators are idiots" 11:35 <@Dagmar> "Well, we know that but what I really mean is 'how do we fix this?'" 11:35 <@Dagmar> "Start by firing those ignorant asshats." 11:35 <@Mirage> Dagmar: so who'll be handling DNS, etc when you move over? I'm assuming nothing is changing w/ that and Sean will actualy have to do work for a change.. 11:36 <@Dagmar> Hhahaah the best part of this is: I don't fucking care 11:36 <@Dagmar> Fuck DiamondIP. Fuck this amateur bullshit. 11:36 <@Mirage> Nice... 11:37 <@Dagmar> I will merrily dance as Rome burns, and am still here strictly for the floor show 11:37 <@Mirage> Did you kick a copy of the signed offer letter to Bari immediately like I told you? 11:37 <@Dagmar> Oh she knows 11:37 <@Dagmar> Our last few emails where she was saying "Well, I know you're unhappy in your current position" I was correcting her. 11:38 <@Dagmar> "No, 'I am unhappy' is now neither an accurate nor true statement. The correct word now is 'furious'." 11:39 <@Dagmar> The VUAlert failure is something I'd quit over all by itself 11:39 <@Dagmar> It highlights *perfectly* the bullshit 11:40 <@Dagmar> We turned over the email part to an outside agency, who promptly fucked everything up. Meanwhile when this is going on, I have to root around in the sendmail servers looking for an explanation of "why is the mail taking so long to get through them" 11:40 <@Dagmar> The answer is "It's not, motherfuckers. They're only sending 1,000 emails a minute." 11:40 <@Dagmar> Decision making happens elsewhere, fallout lands on me. 11:43 <@Dagmar> Sean never did a fucking thing about deploying a _robust_ static-only server, during the crisis, I'm chewing through Apache logs to show that we're only seeing a max of 260 connections per second being given to all four server nodes, which aren't even at a load of 1. 11:43 <@Dagmar> Teling them point blank they need to raise whatever thresholds they have set. 11:44 <@Dagmar> Nathan Casteel tries to say they're set to "1600". 11:44 <@Dagmar> Hogan does his usual of trying to find a middle ground when one person is clearly very fucking wrong and the other can demonstrate multiple ways that he's right 11:44 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 11:44 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 11:45 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile, WELL OVER ten times that number of connections are coming at the LTMs, which are rejecting them 11:45 <@Dagmar> ...and people are bitching at me about it. 11:45 <@Dagmar> So... fuck these people. 11:45 <@Dagmar> Fuck them all. 11:45 <@Dagmar> I will absolutely NOT be associated with this amateurish pack of fucktards any longer. 11:45 <@Dagmar> No, fucking no. 11:46 <@Dagmar> They want to take all the decision making ability and the credit, and push all the bullshit my way. 11:46 <@Dagmar> Fuck them. 11:46 <@Dagmar> *Furious*. 11:47 < aestetix_> well 11:47 < aestetix_> I guess it's better to do the machine-gun "fuck you" in here than IRL :p 11:48 < aestetix_> "fuck you, fuck you, fuck you, you're cool, fuck you" 11:50 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: you around today? 11:50 < RangerZ> aye 11:54 < RangerZ> also: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1964463742/the-mandate this might interest people in here, plus it supports linnix/mac 11:54 < GateKeeper> Title: The Mandate by Perihelion Interactive LLC Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com) 11:55 <@Dagmar> Looks like Mass Effect, but with less gratuitous romance arcs 11:55 <@Dagmar> I can deal 11:56 < RangerZ> god... i need to learn to type apparently 11:57 <@rattle> Blade Runner Noir.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JXFqPzAFv8o 11:57 < GateKeeper> Title: Blade Runner Trailer - Classic Noir - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 11:58 < aestetix_> rattle: Andrea should do a story about the Oakland drones 11:58 <@rattle> Oakland drones? 11:58 < aestetix_> the DAC program 11:58 <@Dagmar> *blink blink* 11:58 < aestetix_> that just got approved for phase II 11:58 < aestetix_> the DHS grant Oakland is trying to get to set up a massive surveillance system 11:59 < RangerZ> well, i'd want drones over oakland 11:59 < RangerZ> seriously.... have you ever been there... just violent or crazy people there 11:59 < RangerZ> hehe 11:59 <@Dagmar> Fuck that. Spin up some fake but convincing documents showing that phase III will authorize the drones to shoot at anyone they consider a threat for any reason. 11:59 < aestetix_> RangerZ: yes, we call them the Oakland PD 11:59 < aestetix_> http://oaklandwiki.org/Domain_Awareness_Center 11:59 <@rattle> First I've heard anything about it.. Any reference to it you can point me to? I can tell her to look into it.. 12:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Domain Awareness Center - OaklandWiki (at oaklandwiki.org) 12:00 < aestetix_> I was at city hall last night speaking out against it 12:00 <@Dagmar> Bonus points if you can put in a passage dedicating 24/7/365 to all the "economically depressed areas with property values typically less than $125,000" 12:00 < aestetix_> AFAIK it's the first of its kind in the country. The only thing close is the NYC surveillance system 12:00 <@Dagmar> Hunter-killer bots is where they're headed with alacrity 12:01 <@rattle> Info relayed her way.. 12:01 < aestetix_> rattle: phase two passed by a 6-1 vote. I have the contact infor of the chamberwoman who voted against it :) 12:01 <@rattle> Just another thing moving is that much closer to machines that hunt, kill, and eat people.. 12:02 < aestetix_> www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Oakland-moves-forward-with-surveillance-center-4995249.php 12:02 < aestetix_> admittedly we could probably have done without occupy oakland last night 12:02 < aestetix_> however, they didn't actually start chanting until after it was obvious the council was going to ignore everyone's complaints 12:03 < aestetix_> As you can see, this is going to become a really big problem. 12:04 <@Dagmar> Solution: Buy some RC helicopters, mount cameras on them (or things that look like cameras), and start flying them around the homes of the councilpersons 12:04 < aestetix_> oh man 12:04 <@Dagmar> All. The. Time. 12:04 < wilpig_> two members of the tour group showed up late 12:04 < wilpig_> fuckers 12:04 < aestetix_> last night.... the woman who was giving a report on the update on the system 12:05 < aestetix_> like a dozen people walked up right next to her, pulled out their phones, and started taking pictures 12:05 < aestetix_> nonstop 12:05 < aestetix_> "how do you like being watched?" 12:05 <@Dagmar> Let me guess... She didn't want her picture taken? 12:05 < aestetix_> Yep 12:05 < aestetix_> Well it was more 12:05 < aestetix_> The council tried to stop it by telling everyone to sit down 12:05 < aestetix_> But the crowd pointed out it was their legal right to stand up 12:06 < aestetix_> And the council was like.... well fuck 12:06 < aestetix_> anyways 12:06 < aestetix_> I figure this should get more attention 12:06 < aestetix_> because they will no doubt use oakland as a case study to push this on other cities 12:07 <@Dagmar> The only good thing here is that unlike Oakland PD, the drones can't randomly shoot innocent people. 12:07 <@Dagmar> Oh wait... 12:10 < aestetix_> also worth noting that SAIC was a contender to do this 12:10 < aestetix_> until it turned out they work with nuclear weapons 12:11 < aestetix_> which violates oakland's no nukes law 12:13 < aestetix_> rattle: anyways, I'm happy to put her in touch with people who are involved in the efforts 12:14 < aestetix_> this will be interesting given that the stoplight cameras are already of questionable legality 12:17 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.30.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:20 < wilpig_> network engineer: can you submit a traceroute to x. 12:20 < wilpig_> tumblr-MacBookAir-0cb07a:~ wilbur$ traceroute backyard.yahoo.com 12:20 < wilpig_> traceroute: unknown host backyard.yahoo.com 12:20 < wilpig_> network engineer: can you submit a traceroute to x? 12:20 < wilpig_> :-| 12:21 < RangerZ> aestetix_: why don't you contact major news shows then, from msnbc to fox 12:21 < RangerZ> from TYT, etc 12:21 < RangerZ> there is a little bit of something for everyone to hate 12:22 < wilpig_> hate you say? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqTvN_jddaM 12:22 < GateKeeper> Title: Hate Times Eight + LYRICS [Official] by PSYCHOSTICK - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 12:36 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:59 <@Shadow404> wilpig_: Corydon76-work: good news on the handicap front, i called the LEO Dept for the area my office is located in....apparently this wasn't the first complaint and have "promised" (sarcastic) air quotes to send an investigator before cob friday and will followup with me directly regarding the outcome if they will take action 13:00 <@Shadow404> most likely they said it will be tickets as a first step to get to the bottom of whos actually allowed to be tehre 13:43 <@Bahhumbug> People that park in handicapped spots for no reason are scum that should be publicly caned. 13:44 <@Bahhumbug> It will only need to be done to any offender but once. 13:44 <@Bahhumbug> And word will get around pretty fast. Especially if you stream the actual caning out to the public. 13:45 <@Dagmar> I've found that duct tape works pretty well. 13:45 <@Dagmar> You just stick it right over the keyhole. 13:46 <@Dagmar> ...or the exhaust pipe. 13:46 <@Dagmar> I like the latter, but it's hard to do quickly. 13:49 < wilpig_> you can banana or potato the tailpipe uber fast 13:51 <@Dickie> Where do you get your bananas? 13:51 <@Dagmar> No one questions a roll of duct tape in the car 13:52 <@Dagmar> Unless, of course, it's accompanied by a set of rubber gloves, a few plastic shower curtains, and some rope. 13:52 <@Dagmar> ...then there's actually a lot of questions. 13:52 <@Shadow404> uh? consenual bondage? 13:52 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: some people would enjoy the caning and might purposely park in the spots 13:57 < wilpig_> just confirmed with IT that I get my new laptop tomorrow 13:57 <@Bahhumbug> Not if it was done right. 13:57 < wilpig_> IT guy said with the new OS and new battery I should get a full day off a charge. "Challenge accepted" 13:57 <@Bahhumbug> I don't care what kind of masochist someone is, a properly-applied corporal caning is _not_ going to give the recipient "pleasure" in any fashion. 13:58 < wilpig_> Bahhumbug: pinhead? 13:58 <@Shadow404> you'd be surprised 13:58 < wilpig_> http://www.halloweenforum.com/attachments/halloween-costume-ideas/13773d1287039968-pin-head-costume-pinhead2.jpg 13:59 <@Bahhumbug> Then those people can just be shot. Solves that problem right then and there. 13:59 <@Bahhumbug> There is a reason that corporal caning is such an effective deterrent to crime. 14:01 <@Shadow404> yeah, agreed, i know one or two of those types that would be perfect on 14:11 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.30.172] has joined #se2600 15:37 < RangerZ> can you cancel a payment on paypal ? 15:37 < RangerZ> i'm selling something on CL, and they are offering to pay with paypal 15:37 < RangerZ> and honestly I never use it , so I don't know its 'gimmicks' 15:39 <@Shadow404> you can to a degree, check the buyer protection policies first 15:46 < RangerZ> yeah, it looks like 3% fee, and they can claim 'no recieved' 15:46 < RangerZ> etc 16:34 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, that's why you use something like a USPS signature required 16:35 <@Corydon76-work> I get paid with Paypal all the time 16:35 <@Corydon76-work> thought typically not for anonymous sales 16:48 -!- SuMo_D [~sumo_D@108-193-45-205.lightspeed.gnvlsc.sbcglobal.net] has joined #se2600 16:48 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o SuMo_D] by ChanServ 18:08 -!- x86Daddy [~x86Daddy@32.144.30.172] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:54 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: http://www.upworthy.com/if-3-little-girls-did-this-to-my-house-id-do-everything-i-could-to-get-them-full-rides-to-stanford 18:54 < GateKeeper> Title: If 3 Little Girls Did This To My House, Id Do Everything I Could To Get Them Full Rides To Stanford (at www.upworthy.com) 18:54 < RangerZ> you'll appreciate that, plus its a good video to share 19:10 < wilpig_> lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtMpVdZcsHA 19:10 < GateKeeper> Title: Alex is Dead [Psychostick Short] Stupid Drummer Dies - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 19:32 < RangerZ> well blizz just gave me my hearthstone beta key 20:56 < aestetix_> http://www.theguardian.com/us 20:56 < GateKeeper> Title: Latest news, world news, sport and comment from the Guardian | theguardian.com | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com) 20:56 < aestetix_> aaaaand the revelations just keep on coming 20:58 < RangerZ> aestetix_: and you're surprised 20:58 < RangerZ> everyone knew this was going on 20:59 < RangerZ> it just wasn't suppose to be admitted 21:00 < aestetix_> I'm not surprised 21:00 < aestetix_> If anything I feel validated 21:01 < aestetix_> although it's funny because this means that the NSA is spending billions to create a massive database full of cat photos and porn 21:04 < RangerZ> money well spent 21:04 < RangerZ> just ask GE 21:04 < aestetix_> no no 21:04 < RangerZ> and haliburten 21:04 < aestetix_> our tax dollars 21:04 < aestetix_> well spent 21:05 < RangerZ> same thing 21:06 < aestetix_> well now I know what hyena penis looks like: http://www.zoofur.com/Silicone-Canine/ 21:14 < wilpig_> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2089750/ 21:15 < GateKeeper> Title: Nativity 2: Danger in the Manger! (2012) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com) 21:59 < RangerZ> http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/11/19/2970531/oklahoma-national-guard/ 21:59 < GateKeeper> Title: Oklahoma Drops National Guard Benefits For All Couples To Avoid Serving Same-Sex Couples [UPDATED] | ThinkProgress (at thinkprogress.org) 21:59 < RangerZ> wow.... 21:59 < RangerZ> just wow 22:18 <@SuMo_D> RangerZ I saw that video earlier - its awesome :) I as going to post it but had to finish prepping for class 22:19 <@SuMo_D> which... yeah... was awesome... and now its over, and makes me want a community lab even more. They were all excited though when I was like... well maybe we should start a meetup 22:20 <@SuMo_D> Are you guys watching South Park right now? 22:27 < RangerZ> south park is still on TV? 22:27 < RangerZ> thats almost like saying "hey its 2013, did you watch the simpsons" 22:41 <@SuMo_D> Southpark is still on, and still good 22:41 <@SuMo_D> most of the time... 22:42 <@SuMo_D> Tonight was pretty good... it had Bill Gates stabbing Steve Balmer 22:42 < aestetix_> what's new pussycat 22:44 <@SuMo_D> Have that post-good class high - how bout you aestetix_ 22:52 < aestetix_> heh 22:53 < aestetix_> Let's just say Oakland just got way worse to live in. 22:54 < RangerZ> how so? 22:54 < RangerZ> the drones thing? 22:54 < aestetix_> yeah 22:54 < RangerZ> thats nothing special, it'll spread far and wide 22:54 < aestetix_> I emailed my congresswoman the list of questions I had last night 22:54 < aestetix_> So that might at least do a little bit 22:54 < RangerZ> and we'll be living inside WatchDog's centOS world soon 22:55 < RangerZ> and lulz @ openJDK being like 30mb and maven requiring 100mb 23:00 < aestetix_> RangerZ: now I get to begin playing politics 23:00 <@SuMo_D> yeah... 23:00 <@SuMo_D> that's another reason why it kinda rocks here 23:00 < aestetix_> Slowly approaching each councilmember and trying to figure out why they voted for it 23:00 <@SuMo_D> nobody knows or really gives 2 fs about upstate SC 23:01 < aestetix_> Last night was crazy though. 23:01 <@SuMo_D> what happened? 23:01 < aestetix_> Let's just say Oakland city hall is anything *but* boring. 23:01 <@SuMo_D> yeah I can imagine 23:01 < aestetix_> When they were about to vote on the DAC, a whole bunch of people started shouting "table it! table it! table it!" 23:02 < aestetix_> And then the council went ahead and voted for it anyways, at which point the crowd started shouting "shame! shame! shame!" 23:02 < aestetix_> over and over again 23:02 < aestetix_> until about a dozen police showed up and cleared the room 23:02 < aestetix_> At least one person got arrested 23:03 <@SuMo_D> yeah... not surprised 23:03 <@SuMo_D> thought it'd be more 23:03 < aestetix_> well 23:03 < aestetix_> keep in mind the hearing started at 5:30 23:03 < aestetix_> and the item didn't come up until 1am 23:03 <@SuMo_D> right 23:03 < aestetix_> this was literally the core crowd who waited for hours and hours to speak against the item 23:03 < aestetix_> And there were still several dozen 23:04 <@SuMo_D> yeah... again, not really surprised 23:04 <@SuMo_D> its Oakland 23:04 < aestetix_> so the funny thing 23:04 < aestetix_> one of the items was about some issues with the police 23:05 < aestetix_> I think it would be deeply ironic if the police had to clear out protesters who were angry because of a corrupt police item 23:05 < aestetix_> Incidentally, part of that (not related to DAC) was question about the video cameras on police officers 23:05 < aestetix_> yeah last night was insane 23:06 < RangerZ> aestetix_: i still say... I'm going to open a kickstarter if i run for congress 23:06 < aestetix_> One thing I will say about Oakland: never a dull moment 23:06 < RangerZ> (back home, not nashville, lol) 23:06 < aestetix_> Like the time I saw protesters set up an effigy, a life sized paper mache pig dressed as a police officer... right in front of a line of police that were blocking the door to city hall 23:07 < aestetix_> the protesters read off the first amendment, and proceeded to take a baseball bat and beat apart the pig 23:07 < aestetix_> I have to give them props for creativity 23:07 <@SuMo_D> Yeah... not many places you can get away with that on the East coast 23:07 <@SuMo_D> at least none that come to mind 23:07 <@SuMo_D> maybe somewhere in Florida 23:07 < aestetix_> something tells me that would not happen in SC 23:08 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: huh? 23:08 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ it might happen... but it'll have like... 10 people there 23:08 < RangerZ> really? I wouldn't see that being a 'legal problem' anywhere 23:08 <@SuMo_D> and they'll be ignored 23:09 <@SuMo_D> that's actually what I've heard from some people who were like lets go protest this or that they're like... well... we won't have a good showing, and it'll look pathetic, so lets try to address it another way... 23:09 < aestetix_> heh 23:09 < aestetix_> here people use any potential infraction of justice as an excuse to riot in the streets 23:09 < aestetix_> literally 23:10 <@SuMo_D> yeah... well... that gets into the shit that really pisses me off 23:10 <@SuMo_D> (like I need more right?) 23:10 <@SuMo_D> the protesting = partying 23:10 < aestetix_> well sure there is that 23:10 < aestetix_> To be fair, there is a lot of genuine outrage 23:11 < aestetix_> There's also a lot of trendy outrage though 23:11 <@SuMo_D> I'm fine with genuine outrage 23:11 <@SuMo_D> and protesting, to bring light to an issue 23:11 < aestetix_> It's complicated in oakland. 23:11 < aestetix_> I mean, the oscar grant thing pissed off a lot of people 23:11 < aestetix_> And getting tear gassed is not fun. 23:11 <@SuMo_D> but... the whole lets go protest, especially a war... and it ends up being yeeeeeeeeeeeeeah... I'm So making a difference....... pass the weed 23:11 <@SuMo_D> fuck that... that makes me upset... 23:12 < aestetix_> It's hard to make people maintain a moral high ground when people are literally being murdered by the police force 23:12 <@SuMo_D> yes 23:12 <@SuMo_D> and that's when its like yes... there needs to be a shout out together 23:13 <@SuMo_D> but the riot to riot... meh... I donno the politics of protest... complicated to say the least 23:13 < aestetix_> So it's not hard to understand why at occupy someone sets up a memorial to oscar grant, then the police come rip it apart, and people just say fuck it and start throwing rocks at them 23:13 < aestetix_> I don't agree with it, but I understand it 23:13 <@SuMo_D> totally 23:13 < aestetix_> especially if the people throwing rocks are actually undercover cops 23:14 <@oddball> Oh, did you see that 500 cities across the nation got hand me down armored vehicles from the DoD recently? 23:14 < aestetix_> ok so this is super ironic to say, and yes the layer of subtlety is intended: in oakland, very little is black and white 23:14 < aestetix_> yep! 23:14 <@oddball> Because... you know... the cops aren't a standing military force that operates inside the US or anything. 23:15 < aestetix_> oddball: oakland at least is way past that 23:15 < aestetix_> we have at least one DHS grant paid for tank 23:15 < aestetix_> (I have personally seen this tank in the street during a protest) 23:16 <@SuMo_D> Yeah... when the Boston shit went down.... that was really telling 23:16 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: if those protesters to be want action, tell them to come to oakland 23:16 <@SuMo_D> when I have friends posting on their facebooks ummm there's a tank outside... wtf 23:16 < aestetix_> Oakland would be as bad as NYC, except it's broke, and instead of bloomberg we have a quaint asian lady as mayor 23:17 <@oddball> aestetix_: as in an actual tank with a turret with a canon on top, or an APC? 23:17 < aestetix_> what's an APC? 23:17 < aestetix_> lemme find a photo 23:18 <@oddball> armored personel carrier (basically a tank minus the cannon turret that carries troops in the back) 23:18 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBpqYQdrhl8 23:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Oakland PD needs a tank for peaceful protesters. - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 23:18 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ that's the point... they don't want action they want to get together and feel good about being on what they feel is the right side of the issue and pat themselves on the back while hooking up and getting high... makes me upset... they're going through the motions but not really doing shit, nor really wanting to do shit... 23:18 <@oddball> aestetix_: Yeah... that's not a tank. 23:18 <@SuMo_D> some of my ex roomates got into a conversation about "their favorite protests" once... I had to leave the apartment... 23:18 < aestetix_> ok, what's a better word to call it? 23:19 <@oddball> That's the armored vehicle that the military ordered to replace the HUMV. 23:19 < aestetix_> ok 23:19 < aestetix_> I mean regardless of what you call it it is way overkill for dealing with the protests 23:19 <@oddball> give me a minute, and I can give you the actual designation. 23:19 < aestetix_> ok 23:20 <@oddball> Oh... I agree with you. That thing was designed to repel small arms fire and protect the folks inside from IEDs. 23:21 <@SuMo_D> My ex was really into the we are change protests for awhile... mostly before I met him... but yeah those guys had some stories... do they have the sound cannons in SF? 23:22 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: yep 23:22 < aestetix_> and they have used them 23:22 < aestetix_> the... what are those things called 23:22 < aestetix_> LRAD I think 23:22 <@oddball> Ok, I think that's an MRAP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MRAP 23:22 < GateKeeper> Title: MRAP - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 23:23 <@oddball> Wikipedia lists it as an "armored car." 23:24 < aestetix_> SuMo_D: that said, I do prefer this over 10 protesters who give up before they start :) 23:24 <@oddball> Actually, I take it back. The MRAP is a different, but similar vehicle. I remember reading about that vehicle with all the odd angles a while back, but forget the name. 23:28 <@oddball> Ah... there it is... and you'll love this. It's a Grizzly APC owned by the sherrif's dept. and made by... Blackwater! 23:28 <@oddball> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grizzly_APC 23:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Grizzly APC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 23:28 <@SuMo_D> aestetix_ I do think sometimes there's a time to come together and show hey, we're united... for this thing... but if there's a way you can actually do that might have a better chance of getting heard or something getting done... like if people are protesting a race issue in a community, how can you pitch in to a local organization that helps facilitate a dialogue? Like... are there ways the time could be better 23:28 <@SuMo_D> spent? 23:29 <@SuMo_D> Which is something I respect about that kind of crowd here... they talk about the issues... like GMO and how much they hate it, they'll do a little protest... but they also start community gardens 23:30 <@oddball> And since it was submitted for testing, but never picked up by the DoD, that means that the department bought it from Blackwater instead of being given it by the Fed. 23:31 <@SuMo_D> They then teach gardening classes and help plant and support them in communities that might not even be aware of the issue... and stick by it.... that I respect more than BURN DA MAN! oh wasn't that fun? 23:31 <@oddball> The problem with a lot of protests, is that there are a lot of folks that will come out and be loud... but not actually have a clue about what their protesting. 23:31 <@SuMo_D> exactly oddball 23:32 < aestetix_> http://oakland.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&clip_id=1400 23:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Concurrent Meeting of the Oakland Redevelopment Successor Agency and the City Council - Nov 19th, 2013 (at oakland.granicus.com) 23:32 < aestetix_> theres' the video 23:32 < aestetix_> start at around the 6:15 mark 23:34 <@oddball> What's this video? (woudl rather not install Silverlight if I don't have to) 23:34 < aestetix_> it's the video of us speaking at city hall 23:34 <@oddball> ah, ok 23:36 <@oddball> aestetix_: About the tank/APC thing, don't worry too much about it. Obviously a lot of people confuse the two. It's just something that irritates me when people use the wrong terminology. 23:44 <@SuMo_D> yeah my silverlight is out of date... 23:47 < aestetix_> I think my thing is around the 6:18 mark 23:53 <@Bahhumbug> Dagmar: In the event you care: https://rhn.redhat.com/errata/RHEA-2013-1546.html 23:53 < GateKeeper> Title: Red Hat Customer Portal (at rhn.redhat.com) 23:53 <@Bahhumbug> 6.5 just dropped. --- Log closed Thu Nov 21 00:00:29 2013