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00:00 <@SuMo_D> Why..... is it when I'm trying to wire up something exactly the way I did it before..... and check it 5 times... it still no work... electronics... so much fun sometimes
00:00 <@SuMo_D> I keep checking it against the working one... they are the same...
00:00 <@SuMo_D> but this one won't run power.... or the image... bleh
00:02 <@SuMo_D> its Gremlins isn't it...  one of you guys sent me nano gremlins through IRC
00:02 <@wilpig> I only employ nano-gremlins
00:03 <@wilpig> bedimte for me.  night
00:45 < RangerZ> so am I the only one who didn't know that the "jews for jesus" was a christian group that proclaims to be 'jews'
00:45 < RangerZ> and that jews will have to 'convert or die' before the end times come
00:46 < RangerZ> << honestly figured 'jews for jesus' was just jews who consider jesus a prophet (obviously not son/incarnation of {G|g}od, since that would make them christians)
00:55 <@SuMo_D> yes... you are the only one
01:12 <@Bahhumbug> s/didn't know/cares/
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07:16 <@Shadow404> wilpig: i need a shirt that reads "i played this game 5 days in a row and all i got was this lousy tree"
07:43 <@wilpig> and what game would that be?
07:44 <@wilpig> cause if you're playing hide the weiner, i'm sure Corydon76-work can get you a shirt for that
08:09 <@Shadow404> gross
08:09 <@Shadow404> simpsons
08:23 <@Shadow404> "If the only thing that comes off at the unmasking hour is the mask, youve done something wrong, stay thirsty my friends"
10:24 <@Dickie> We playin' hide the weiner?
10:24 <@Dickie> <_<
10:24 <@Dickie> >_>
10:26  * Shadow404 throws Dickie into the mud
10:27 <@Shadow404> keeping it alpha bro
10:27  * Shadow404 pops some shark-testosterone supplements
10:34 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Yes.  It's a safe bet you are one of the few remaining people who didn't know that.
10:34 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Actually no, there's a shitton of ignorant tools around here who have no idea
10:35 <@Dagmar> Probably half hte congregation of any church around here has no fucking clue that they, the jews, and the muslims... are all worshipping the same god.
10:36 <@Dagmar> It completely eludes them that the difference between the jewish faith and christiantiy is mainly fashion sense and a belief that Christ was the only messiah
10:36 <@Dagmar> This is somewhat different from the messianics, who believe he was probably one of a whole bunch of different messiahs
10:37 <@Dagmar> ...which is different from the "vanilla" jews, who are practically agnostic on that particular point.
10:37 <@Shadow404> is a bunch of messihs like worshippping multiple gods
10:38 <@Shadow404> sorta...not exactly the best analogy, but like greek mythology?
10:38 <@Dagmar> Well, excepting that messiahs aren't gods and they don't worship them, sure.
10:38 <@Dagmar> heh
10:38 <@Dagmar> You play GTAV?
10:40 <@Shadow404> not yet, playstation is still broke, i cracked it open yesterday night (out of warranty), i need to get a new 9v batt for my multimetter to see if the fuse is indeed busted or its the whole psu or not
10:40 <@Shadow404> (electrical storm shock)
10:41 <@Dagmar> Ouch
10:41 <@Dagmar> I was going to say that some of this will actually make more sense if you fired up GTVA and headed to the boardwalk to find Jessee, who is apparently also known as Jesus in some quarters.
10:42 <@Dagmar> I shit you not.  They put Jesus into the game.
10:42 <@Dagmar> The moment you cross the bridge, he's right there on your left.
10:42 <@Dagmar> Just stand there and let him talk awhile
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10:58 <@Shadow404> they have jesus in gta iv as well
10:58 <@Dagmar> I never saw him in that one
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11:04 <@Dagmar> Oh look, idjits on CL forums.  Imagine that
11:04 <@Dagmar> Some dude asking about setting up a NAT router for 2,000 DSL customers, and this other dude is all "Oh no linux will be expensive and a security nightmare for that"
11:05 <@Dagmar> ...and the idiot asking looks like he's contacting that dumbass to consult on it.
11:05 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' 2,000 users?  Easy mode
11:05 <@Dagmar> You could do that shit on consumer hardware
11:05 <@Dagmar> Probably with the stock Ubuntu kernel
11:06 < frsilent> a guy I used to play video games with apparently now works as a sys admin in Bethesda for the government
11:07 < frsilent> "Yeah I don't use linux at all because it's not worth learning. Windows is faster to set up and much more secure because it has a company to back it"
11:07 <@Dagmar> *eyeroll*
11:07 < frsilent> I facepalmed & removed him from my steam friends at that point
11:07 <@Dagmar> This guy wanted to talk about appliances.
11:07 <@Dagmar> Im calling him out citing Ciscogate
11:07 <@Dagmar> Also, well over half the "appliances" I see nowadays are running fuckin' Linux
11:08 < frsilent> I'm a developer & my network experience is limited to apache/nginx configs & some rudimentary subnetting / data comm
11:08 < frsilent> but I can smell shit
11:08 <@Dagmar> It's not like tracking tuples is that hard
11:09 < frsilent> tuples as in an ordered list?
11:09 <@Dagmar> 8Gb of RAM would almost certainly be overkill, but hardware's kinda cheap if you're not buying from IBM so why not
11:09 <@Dagmar> frsilent: ip and port info are also referred to as tuples for the same reason
11:09 < frsilent> ah, gotcha
11:09 < frsilent> my guess would be that they follow the same structure then
11:10 < frsilent> (ip, port)
11:10 <@Dagmar> Yeah, a *large* number of packages now just use netfilter's ability to direct traffic from a port to a userspace process
11:10 <@Dagmar> frsilent: And NAT just basically means looking up a tuple pair in a table.  Super quick operation
11:10 < frsilent> makes sense
11:12 <@Dagmar> So lets say... 14 bytes per connection state, round up to 16 bytes...
11:13 <@Dagmar> 4Gb of RAM would be sufficient for those 2,000 users to be running umm... lol
11:13 <@Dagmar> This can't be right
11:13 <@Dagmar> Well, WAY more fucking simultaneous connections than their little windows machines can handle
11:14 <@Dagmar> Like two billion
11:14 <@Dagmar> We've got little dual-proc Checkpoint appliances here that do in excess of 100,000 simultaneous connections all day long
11:15 <@Dagmar> pardon me, "Appliances".  They're running SplatOS, which is simply Linux.
11:16 <@Dagmar> I have watched The Purge twice now (a rarity for me to watch anything twice) and I have come to the conclusion that the male protagonist is a pussy
11:17 <@Dagmar> The moment those entitled little shits showed up on his doorstep, anyone who wasn't a pussy would have abandoned this "We support the Purge but do not feel the need to partcipate."
11:18 <@Dagmar> Dude has multiple pistols and a goddamn riot shotgun in a cabinet
11:18 <@Dagmar> Personally, I'd have told them they don't need to wait for their friends to show up...  I'd have opened the front doors wide and invited anyone who thought they have the stones for it to come on inside.
11:19 <@Dagmar> ...because I'd be needing to Purge a lot of people.
11:20 < frsilent> yeah....that movie made me feel the same way
11:20 < frsilent> for an environment like that you'd be insane to not have some kind of long gun either
11:21 < frsilent> I'd be on the roof with an m40 within minutes of hearing those threats
11:22 <@Dagmar> I'd have been looking to murder each and every entitled little twat on my lawn
11:22 <@Dagmar> ...with wild abandon.
11:23 <@Dagmar> I was looking at that blonde kid and seeing him call that homeless guy a pig and thinking, "Wow.  At this point murder is not just legal, it's a moral imperative"
11:24 <@Dagmar> ...and those neighbors?  I'd be pushing some people's comfort zones by trying to figure out whether or not it's required they actually die from their injuries before 7am, or would it be okay to simply give them fatal wounds and false hope
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11:53 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... given the situation, I don't understand why the new addition didn't have a panic room that required you to go down a narrow hall to reach.  Set up in there, and just shoot the fucks as they try to make it to you.
11:54 <@oddball> Start taking cues from medivel castles.
11:55 < frsilent> oddball: lol, funny you should make that reference as right when the guy was putting his face up to the camera my first thought was
11:55 < frsilent> "Where the fuck is this guy's murder hole?"
11:55 <@oddball> yep
11:56 <@oddball> "oh... just stand right there... I'll be right out." /me pushes button.
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12:00 <@oddball> The Swedish ice hotel will have to install fire alarms this year: http://news.yahoo.com/swedish-ice-hotel-install-fire-alarms-090345207.html
12:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Swedish ice hotel to install fire alarms (at news.yahoo.com)
12:00 <@oddball> Because... ummm... the ice might catch fire?
12:13 <@Shadow404> are they gonna have to install pipe heaters too?
12:15 <@oddball> One of the commentors asked that.
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12:19 <@Corydon76-work> I suspect it's actually smoke alarms and simply lost something in translation.  Smoke could inundate an area, even at low temperatures
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12:26 <@wilpig> Why had I not thought of this term?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breastaurant
12:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Breastaurant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
12:34 <@Shadow404> giggity
12:53 <@Shadow404> thats funny, something i just noticed that microcenter is doing with their new computers
12:54 <@Shadow404> they have windows 8 licenses for all the new computers, but have win 7 pro installed via downgrade rights, presumably since win 8 is so bad
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13:08 <@Dagmar> Damn that was fucked up
13:09 <@Dagmar> I just had an issue reported with a mysql test server that I dont' think anyone ever actually used until now
13:09 <@Dagmar> The fucking modsecurity rules were still blocking HTTP/1.1 transactions.
13:09 <@Dagmar> NOT MUCH GETS DONE that way
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14:25 <@aestetix> oh wow
14:25 <@aestetix> the truceconf drama is still going on
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15:41 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: it will continue until the conference is over, I'm sure.
15:42 <@Corydon76-work> It's utterly clear that the organizer, while she may mean well, simply hasn't thought through the ramifications of every policy she's put forth.
15:43 <@Corydon76-work> I got a response both from her and from a friend, which basically confirms this.
15:45 <@Corydon76-work> You cannot have a policy that puts forth a conflicting set of rules and then say that any violation of the rules will ensure a public, humiliating expulsion from the conference, especially for people who may travel to get there.
15:46 <@Corydon76-work> I can't imagine that anybody who really reads the rules and understands that would be willing to spend the time or money to attend.
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16:02 <@aestetix> What did you contact her about?
16:02 <@aestetix> and yes
16:09 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I pointed out the logical inconsistencies
16:12 <@Corydon76-work> https://twitter.com/Corydon76/statuses/399960289489068032
16:12 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / Corydon76: @TRUCEConf It is inherently ... (at twitter.com)
16:13 <@aestetix> yeah
16:13 <@aestetix> She's really naive.
16:14 <@aestetix> Also the whole trust thing. You're supposed to just "trust" her because a random person on twitter is vouching for her?
16:17 <@Corydon76-work> Cal isn't a random person to me; he's a friend.
16:18 <@aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/15/us/cia-collecting-data-on-international-money-transfers-officials-say.html
16:18 <@aestetix> Oh ok.
16:18 <@aestetix> *Your* friend. I thought it was one her *her* friends.
16:18 <@Corydon76-work> Be that as it may; I don't want to attend a conference if I have to depend upon a friend to bail me out, because I stumbled into a phrase that some may consider offensive.
16:19 <@aestetix> So, there is this whole thing called intent.
16:19 <@aestetix> And one of my definitions of a safe space is that everyone assumes you had good intent.
16:20 <@Corydon76-work> I don't really even like the idea of "good intent", because it assumes the dichotomy of others having bad intent.
16:21 <@Corydon76-work> An intention could be bad or good depending upon how it's received
16:21 <@aestetix> That's fair.
16:22 <@aestetix> I've basically given up on the "safe space" discussions in the bay area
16:22 <@aestetix> They are usually "don't say anything offensive" rather than "assume that what people say isn't meant to be offensive"
16:22 <@Corydon76-work> I intended to take coil's virginity, and that was fine, because coil was completely in tune with the intent.  Another virgin may not have been receptive to the idea.
16:23 <@Dickie> hello
16:23 <@Corydon76-work> like Dickie is completely out of tune with me taking his anal virginity
16:23 <@aestetix> Although for me it's much more about harm than offending.
16:23 <@Dickie> I am "unreceptive" to the idea.
16:23 <@Dickie> With all due respect.
16:23 <@Corydon76-work> Precisely.  Actual harm is the real delimiter, not intent.
16:24 <@aestetix> Corydon76-work: and at least around here, many folks assume that being offended is being harmed.
16:24 <@Corydon76-work> Being offended is not being harmed
16:25 <@Corydon76-work> Feeling unsafe is not being harmed.
16:25 <@Corydon76-work> Both of those are subjective reactions
16:25 <@Corydon76-work> Being offended and feeling unsafe may cause you to take actions that will help you feel better.
16:26 <@aestetix> agreed
16:26 <@Corydon76-work> A group of teenagers wielding baseball bats may make me feel unsafe, but it's not until they swing the bats and hit me am I harmed.
16:27 <@Bahhumbug> More of what can be solved by "Don't be a dick."?
16:27 <@Shadow404> imagine if we had that same rules at geek cons
16:27 <@Bahhumbug> Don't people have anything better to worry about?
16:27 <@Shadow404> well, skydick wouldnt be around for sure
16:28 <@Corydon76-work> Thus, a safe space is important not that you will necessarily not be offended or not feel unsafe, but rather that you will remain unharmed.
16:28 <@Bahhumbug> Instead of railing on and on about this bullshit howzabout going to volunteer at a soup kitchen or something?
16:28 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: bitch, make me some cambells tomatoe soup, and dont skimp out on the tomatoes
16:28 <@aestetix> You've seen the Ada Initiative's response to that right?
16:28 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: are you offended?
16:28 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: that doesn't solve the problem long term of harm to women at technical conferences
16:29 <@aestetix> They basically say that language creates an environment in which harm is more likely to happen
16:29 <@aestetix> (of course when you say "prove it" they go silent)
16:29 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: Not in the least.  Are you offended when I say "Fuck, no.  Go do it yourself."?
16:29 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: are you still yet offended when i say get back to the kitchen and point to it?
16:29 <@Dickie> That argument irks me.
16:29 <@Dickie> I can be a little blue in my language, but I'd never hurt anyone.
16:29 <@Bahhumbug> Whatever.  Go make public examples of the assholes that are forcing this issue.  Very, very public examples.  It will soon cease.
16:29 <@Dickie> I'd be mortified if I did.
16:30 <@aestetix> I openly use words like penis, vagina, and fuck. But yeah, I'd never harm anyone.
16:30 <@aestetix> Partly because if I did, they are probably bigger than me.
16:30 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: In certain context, I would agree with their assessment, but there's an additional element of the method and opportunity of causing harm that is required
16:30 <@Shadow404> we did the same thing (still ongoing to some extent) in se2600 not to long ago and the groups split
16:30 <@aestetix> And if they aren't, they have a friend who is.
16:30 <@Bahhumbug> People that are offended by language have other issues to deal with.
16:30 <@Shadow404> people got offended, certain people choose sides
16:31 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: You referring to skydick or something else?
16:31 <@Bahhumbug> Because skydick is one of those very, very public examples that should be made.
16:32 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: language that is directed at a particular person that is designed to denigrate is certainly a problem
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> Only if you choose to let it.
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> It's words.
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing more.
16:32 <@Bahhumbug> Ignore it.
16:33 <@Shadow404> yes, skydick *AND* gang
16:33 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: that's easy to do if it's not constant within a certain environment
16:33 <@Bahhumbug> skydick and ware should both be taken out and given a blanket party.  But that's just my opinion.
16:33 <@Corydon76-work> We certainly know that children are affected by verbal abuse by their parents and peers
16:33 <@Bahhumbug> I have no idea who else may or may not be in that group.
16:33 <@Shadow404> not sure if ware deserves that, hes just an immature idiot
16:34 <@Bahhumbug> s/immature//
16:34 <@Bahhumbug> Please note: I speak only of dealings I've had with him on irc.  Don't know the guy personally, have absolutely no intention of ever doing so.
16:34 <@Bahhumbug> In real life the guy could be a real class act.  Don't know.
16:34 <@Shadow404> i dont blame ya either way
16:34 <@Bahhumbug> On irc he comes across as a raving douche.
16:34 <@Shadow404> when hes sober, hes alright
16:34 <@Corydon76-work> Ware, in person, is mostly different
16:35 <@Shadow404> give him a tad bit of alcohol and hes a douche
16:35 <@Corydon76-work> He gets a lot of the douchebaggery from anonymity
16:35 <@Shadow404> irc, hes usually drunk or acts of if he is
16:35 <@Shadow404> exactly what Corydon76-work  said
16:35 <@Shadow404> gang, ninjamaster and that clique
16:36 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, never heard them.
16:36 <@Bahhumbug> Probably a good thing.
16:36 <@Bahhumbug> err, heard of them.
16:37 < frsilent> who all used to show up at the 404 at Lenox mall?
16:37 <@Corydon76-work> If ware could get over his xenophobia, he would be a much more pleasant person
16:37 < frsilent> I was in high school when I went to interz0ne & then inter/outer the following year
16:37 < frsilent> 04/05
16:37 <@Bahhumbug> God...
16:37 <@Bahhumbug> You make me feel old :/
16:37 <@Corydon76-work> frsilent: A photo would help
16:38 <@Dagmar> heheh
16:38 <@Shadow404> frsilent: same timeline as me
16:38 <@Bahhumbug> You too :(
16:39 <@Shadow404> jonnyx, hugme, neotric, and i
16:39 <@Shadow404> thats the handles i can remember
16:39 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow uttered the classic, "I'm morbidly afraid of death"
16:39 <@Shadow404> shutup
16:39 <@Bahhumbug> heh
16:39 <@Shadow404> rockit is a dick for spreaking that
16:39 < frsilent> I remember hugme & jonnyx decently
16:39 <@Shadow404> *spreading that
16:39 < frsilent> remember you too shadow
16:40 <@Shadow404> it was a a bad time emotionally for me, (deep depression)
16:40 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: you know, I was perfectly in a state to comfort you at the time
16:40 <@Corydon76-work> All you had to do was ask
16:40 <@Shadow404> yeah, i remember that oh to well...scared probably
16:40 <@Shadow404> *scarred
16:40 < frsilent> https://scontent-b-mia.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/157_508832434072_6012_n.jpg
16:41 < frsilent> youngest picture of me I think I have
16:41 <@Shadow404> yeah, i remember you now
16:41 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, you look vaguely famliar
16:41 <@Shadow404> you showed up a couple of times
16:41 <@Shadow404> i think i got some lenox pics
16:41 <@Shadow404> hang on
16:41 <@Shadow404> oh yeah, strick use to show up to, thats the server im goiong to for the pics as well
16:42 < frsilent> I still talk to lin0xx & strick
16:42 < frsilent> rarely but sometimes
16:42 < frsilent> ran into strick, jonny & a guy named Randall at like dragoncon '12
16:42 <@Shadow404> james dean
16:44 <@Shadow404> oh god, most of the pics i have archived from back then was the crappy thumbnail size pics from the external plugin camera on the sidekick color v1.0
16:44 <@Shadow404> i remember how advanced that was for a phone back then....and how much i was attached to that thing cause it had mobile aim
16:46 <@oddball> ah... the "feature phones."
16:46 <@Shadow404> alright, who can spot those in this pic: http://www.shadow404.com/101.sizes@Photo_202.jpg?size1=O&size=S
16:46  * oddball was jealous of those that had sidekicks.
16:46 <@Shadow404> (mind you this site hasnt been touched by me in like 6 years i think)
16:47 <@Shadow404> catonic is furthest back middle
16:47 <@Shadow404> ladymerl1n on the right in glasses
16:47 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: I had one.  It was impressive at the time, but it looks incredibly limited now.
16:47 <@Shadow404> ladymerl1n: whos that on your right, forgot his name?
16:47 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: right
16:48 < frsilent> lol
16:48 <@wilpig> that's joe
16:48 < frsilent> yeah I remember you having your "kickass sidekick" at the coffee shop
16:48 <@oddball> Now I carry a quad-core computer on my hip that pretends it's a phone.
16:48 <@Corydon76-work> Mine is only a dual core, but it's arguably as powerful as my laptop now
16:49 <@oddball> Of course, everyone would have been shocked at the gigantic things we carry around now.
16:49 <@wilpig> Shadow404: did that answer your question?
16:49 < frsilent> is strick still at google?
16:50 <@Corydon76-work> My phone isn't that much larger than a sidekick, really.  The screen is larger, but my phone is also thinner
16:50 <@wilpig> alright.  so do I want pub food aka tilted kilt or sushi?
16:50 <@Shadow404> wilpig: yeah, now i remember
16:50 <@oddball> Oh, yeah... the phones are thin now, but the other 2 dimensions are huge.
16:51 <@wilpig> http://www.facebook.com/joe.klein.va
16:51 < GateKeeper> Title: Welcome to Facebook (at www.facebook.com)
16:51 <@Shadow404> frsilent: yes
16:51 <@Shadow404> joe klein, yeah
16:52 <@Shadow404> bhaahahaha
16:52 <@Shadow404> http://www.shadow404.com/21.sizes@325ad.JPG?size1=O&size=S
16:52 <@Shadow404> lenox meeting
16:53 <@Shadow404> we found that jacket im wearing at salvation army and i had to buy it for the next meeting
16:53 <@Corydon76-work> Ah, yes, I remember Joe Klein disappearing off the scene shortly after SkyDick threatened bodily harm to him
16:53 < frsilent> is skydick the guy who yelled at rockit back then too?
16:53 <@Bahhumbug> See?
16:53 <@Corydon76-work> There were more than a few of those cases, weren't there?
16:53 <@Bahhumbug> Public examples.
16:54 <@Corydon76-work> I have no doubt that people were being dicks, but yeah...
16:54 <@wilpig> heh I guess if you're gonna mention skydick intimidating someone you have to be very specific
16:54 <@Shadow404> frsilent: i think so
16:55 <@Bahhumbug> Did skydick get beaten up a lot as a kid?
16:56 <@Corydon76-work> If you think about it, he really threw his weight around quite a bit, building up to the schism
16:56 <@Shadow404> yep, thats was he most intimidating thing
16:56 <@Corydon76-work> I don't know what his childhood story was, just how he turned out
16:56 <@Shadow404> not his arguements
16:57 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar and SkyDick are the same age... he might be able to say...
16:59 <@Bahhumbug> Didn't someone here go to school (elementary / high school) with Skydick?
17:00 <@Bahhumbug> If so, you failed at not beating him up enough.
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17:04 < frsilent> http://www.shadow404.com/116.sizes@Shadow___Wilpig.JPG?size1=O&size=S
17:04 < frsilent> ^inspiring
17:05 <@wilpig> lol
17:05 < frsilent> but yeah I was there, just young lol
17:05 < frsilent> 18
17:07 < frsilent> http://www.shadow404.com/94.sizes@more2600.jpg?size1=O&size=S
17:08 < frsilent> I don't remember the guy's name on the right but I remember him
17:08 < frsilent> think he went to devry & gave me a ride a few times from the mall to the coffee shop
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17:42 <@aestetix> penis
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21:45 <@SuMo_D> desoldering is the bane of my existance
23:06 <@Dagmar> That's what brazing torches are for.  :)
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