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01:14 < dc0de> angina
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01:27 <@oddball> I would have thought people had learned their lesson about delaying showing shows in different areas... but apparently not.
01:28  * oddball queues up the first episode of the new season of Lost Girl, which isn't going to be shown in the states until January.
02:09 <@SuMo_D>  http://hackaday.com/2013/11/10/one-night-no-budget-cnc-machine/#more-107385
02:09 <@SuMo_D> So cool
02:09 <@SuMo_D> my friends in Krakow are starting a hacker space and already on hackaday :)
02:10 <@aestetix> "hacking makes you free"
02:11 <@aestetix> I did not just say that :p
02:11 <@SuMo_D> hehehe
02:12 <@SuMo_D> yes you did... there are records
02:12 <@SuMo_D> ;)
02:28 <@Dagmar> oddball: Pratchett's publisher seems to be under the same misapprehension
02:29 <@Dagmar> I can't imagine what they're thinking, expecting us to wait six months for them to perhaps translate the book from English to American
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07:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:32 <@Shadow404> whats up slut
07:41 <@aestetix> so
07:41 <@aestetix> can someone tell me why direct deposits take so long to process?
07:42 <@aestetix> it seems that every organization has this inexplicable 4-5 days processing time for money
07:42 <@Shadow404> uh, mine seems to be friday morning at 2am every payday
07:42 <@Shadow404> banks accepts the funds by 12noon
07:42 <@aestetix> well
07:42 <@aestetix> not necessarily paycheck
07:42 <@aestetix> let's say for expenses
07:43 <@Shadow404> expense refunding is another beast entirely
07:43 <@aestetix> my best guess is that the payroll company has some kind of schedule it works on
07:43 <@Shadow404> i was out of pocket $1200 for a month time until the expense dept got around to refunding me
07:43 <@Shadow404> lat trip
07:43 <@aestetix> yeah, and our expense department is outsourced
07:43 <@aestetix> ugh
07:44 <@Shadow404> double ugh....glad i didnt have to deal with that, our is in house
07:44 <@Shadow404> er was *previous job
07:44 <@Shadow404> not had to deal with the one here yet
07:44 <@aestetix> the best part
07:44 <@aestetix> I was gonna call them and bitch at them
07:44 <@aestetix> but they do email only
07:44 <@Shadow404> nice, i wonder why that is....
07:44 <@aestetix> no kidding
07:45 <@aestetix> naturally my email hasn't gotten a reply
07:45 <@Shadow404> there has to be a person you can call, did you ask HR for a supervisors number?
07:45 <@aestetix> they are also our HR :p
07:45 <@Shadow404> wow, thats double messed up
07:45 <@aestetix> yay startups
07:57 <@wilpig> Dolemite: you test my latest shit yet?
07:59 <@Shadow404> wilpig: you and Dolemite have some odd games.....
08:01 <@Dolemite> wilpig: I found corn in it.
08:02 <@Dolemite> No, I took off Friday and had 2.0's sleepover birthday party this weekend, and then Cub Scouts.  I had an extremely busy weekend.
08:02 <@Dolemite> I had to come back to work just to get some rest
08:17 <@Shadow404> another reason i will never have a 2.0
09:08 <@Dagmar>  Just a lot of --dry-run tests
09:10 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: What news on the job front?
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09:37 <@aestetix> so
09:37 <@aestetix> anyone here worked with mesos?
09:42 <@wilpig> nope
09:43 <@aestetix> I gathred that :p
09:43 <@aestetix> btw how's tumblr
09:44 <@wilpig> loving it still
09:44 <@aestetix> how big is it anyways
09:45 <@wilpig> ~120-140?
09:47 <@aestetix> wow
09:47 <@aestetix> I keep thinking of tumblr as a widget
09:49 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: exactly
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10:25 <@wilpig> wow...  "wanna have a sleepover this weekend?  my mom's are going out of town to a scrapbooking convention / clam bake."
10:25 <@wilpig> "what are they gonna do there?"
10:25 <@wilpig> "oh you know they are gonna scissor stuff and eat clams"
10:26 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: is this a male or female colleague?
10:26 <@wilpig> watching family guy from last night
10:26 <@Corydon76-home> Ah
10:28 <@wilpig> http://plex.wilpig.org:32400/web/index.html#!/servers/17d3b7fc78dc5fc851e60e988d761dc981790949/sections/4/details/14559
10:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Plex/Web (at plex.wilpig.org:32400)
10:28 <@Shadow404> wilpig: plex rocks, finally catching up on archer, not updated on amazon or netflix yuet
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10:35 <@oddball> Shadow404: wilpig is apparently a little irritated by the size of the database that Plex created to manage his library.  Of course... if you don't have 5TB worth of videos...
10:37 <@wilpig> oddball: it as pretty excessive in size but I found out hte reason was because it generated thumbnails for every video
10:37 <@wilpig> when you're watching with the webview it will show little previews of the time you're scanning through 
10:37 <@oddball> Like I said... if you didn't have 5TB of movies...
10:38 <@oddball> :p
10:39 <@oddball> By the way, the new season preview episode of Lost Girl includes the webisodes that Showcase streams to Canadians, and the first episode of the season was last night.
10:39 <@wilpig> I've got it
10:39 <@oddball> I think I remember you liking that show.
10:40 <@oddball> Ok, cool. :)
10:40 <@wilpig> http://plex.wilpig.org:32400/web/index.html#!/servers/17d3b7fc78dc5fc851e60e988d761dc981790949/sections/4/details/14562
10:40 < GateKeeper> Title: Plex/Web (at plex.wilpig.org:32400)
10:40 <@oddball> Naienko and I watched it last night.
10:42 <@wilpig> watching it now myself
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10:55 <@aestetix> vagina
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11:10 <@Dolemite> wilpig : Did you upgrade to PlexPass, or are you just running the basic/free version?
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11:36 <@Dagmar> Mail funnery today
11:36 <@Dagmar> Someone's mail from the CDC got delayed for almost three day's straight, because Exchange kept looking at the mail and hanging up the connection
11:36 <@Dagmar> s/day's/days/
11:37 <@Dagmar> Possessed.  By.  Devils.
11:53 <@Shadow404> RangerZ1: any news from the teacher?
11:53 <@Shadow404> or any reply email?
11:54 < RangerZ1> i got an intial reply from the prof
11:54 < RangerZ1> saying it was one of their students, and their class
11:54 <@wilpig> did he call yo a meddling teenager?
11:54 < RangerZ1> and that i shouldn't email the girl anymore, etc
11:54 < RangerZ1> no, she thanked me
11:54 <@wilpig> she?  you sure you got the right teacher?  ;)
11:55 <@aestetix> man
11:55 <@aestetix> the BBC version of house of cards is awesome
11:57 < nachoguy> yeah.  I'm only halfway through it, but it's good
11:57 <@aestetix> you mean you've watched two episodes? :p
11:57 <@Shadow404> RangerZ1: tell me she didnt use her school email address
11:59 <@wilpig> she could have gotten much further if she had just started with sending boobs in the first email to RangerZ1 
11:59 < RangerZ1> no
11:59 <@wilpig> homo
11:59 < RangerZ1> wilpig: damn strait
11:59 < RangerZ1> Shadow404: no she used CL's random email thing
11:59 < RangerZ1> however, she fell for giving me 'the profs coding standards'
11:59 < RangerZ1> which was close enough
12:00 < RangerZ1> and the assignment had "CSE425"
12:00 <@wilpig> close enough to just google for the phrases?
12:00 < RangerZ1> yep
12:00 <@wilpig> silly ho
12:00 < RangerZ1> copy/pasta
12:01 < RangerZ1> just some googling, and i found it
12:03 < RangerZ1> actually, i'll ask in here before I confirm these CL replies
12:04 < RangerZ1> anyone want a PS4?
12:04 < RangerZ1> I got a reservation I'm going to sell instead of pick up
12:05 <@aestetix> is a ps4 a new thing?
12:05 < RangerZ1> pretty much, new playstation
12:05 < RangerZ1> is going to be a nice little system, just not enough games for me right now, and can't really afford it this month so 'ehh'
12:05 <@aestetix> heh
12:06 <@aestetix> the only game system I really have is an ipad
12:06 <@aestetix> for adventure games :p
12:07 < RangerZ1> ps4 or xbox one will probably become people's "default" media playing system, for most people
12:07 < RangerZ1> xbox one is more designed that way, but we'll see
12:08 < RangerZ1> my mom only likes pacman, and pinball, and wii bowling
12:08 < RangerZ1> but I could see her liking the xbox one's voice control and switching back and forth between things (sorta star trek'y)
12:09 <@aestetix> I guess I don't understand the point of new game systems
12:09 <@aestetix> I'm far more interested in creative games
12:10 <@oddball> Yeah... I kind of got burned with the Wii U.  Good system, but there's really not many games for it.  Even a year after launch.
12:10 <@aestetix> The Wii and Xbox light thing are exceptions because they enable new kinds of games
12:10 <@aestetix> kinect
12:10 < RangerZ1> yeah, no...
12:10 < RangerZ1> they are gimicks
12:10 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: not arguing that
12:10 < RangerZ1> i'm more waiting for star citizen and occulus rift
12:11 <@aestetix> But yeah, I don't care about how many pixels a game has
12:11 < RangerZ1> ohh, i'm not talking about that
12:11 < RangerZ1> i'm talking bout VR immersion
12:11 <@wilpig> WHile I agree they are gimmicks they did bring about a new style of gameplay that involved the user actually moving around, etc
12:11 <@oddball> Well, the Wii's motion sensor was initially dismissed as a gimmick, but game designers actually did something with it.
12:11 < RangerZ1> just vacations, visiting 'real' places with super high res
12:11 <@aestetix> Heh
12:11 <@aestetix> Actually, the coolest stuff I saw for the Wii had nothing to do with games
12:11 < RangerZ1> seeing your 'long distance' relationship partner in person
12:11 <@aestetix> Like the guy who created a photoshop interaction with it
12:12 < RangerZ1> playing chess with a person 1000s of miles away
12:12 < RangerZ1> a lot of VR stuff like that
12:12 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: I'm skeptical of VR stuff that's visual only.
12:12 <@aestetix> IE I like to be able to touch things
12:12 < RangerZ1> its just that star citizen will be the first 'big' game to push it
12:12 < RangerZ1> aestetix: then go to the armoury
12:12 <@aestetix> RangerZ1: again? :p
12:13 < RangerZ1> or armory* if US spelling
12:13 < RangerZ1> *shrugs*
12:13 <@oddball> As in gun range?
12:13 < RangerZ1> oddball: no.... not quite
12:13 < RangerZ1> "the armory" is where kink.com and all it's varients are based, in downtown san fran
12:13 <@oddball> ahhh
12:13 < RangerZ1> looks like a caste, IMHO
12:14 <@aestetix> yep
12:14 < RangerZ1> https://plus.google.com/u/0/113359758540076319896/posts
12:14 < RangerZ1> http://ebmedia.eventbrite.com/s3-s3/eventlogos/11207859/1327196681-5.jpg
12:14 < RangerZ1> there we go
12:14 < RangerZ1> I actually didn't 'see' it when I was there, somehow missed it, or passed it without realizing
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12:18 <@aestetix> https://twitter.com/randizuckerberg/status/399940834290065408
12:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / randizuckerberg: In honor of Veterans Day, share ... (at twitter.com)
12:19 < RangerZ1> but aestetix, I do think that 'consoles' are going to be the 'convergence' point systems, for those who have them
12:19 <@SuMo_D> Even though the kinect might be a gimmick is is sure damn fun
12:21 <@Dagmar> Occulus Rift needs to be in production already
12:21 <@wilpig> lies
12:21 <@oddball> I think Nintendo and Sony have the right idea with you still holding something physical.
12:21 <@Dagmar> Of course, I also think the NSA should fix their goddamn email interceptor so Dr. Steadman doesn't get any more delayed mail
12:23 <@SuMo_D> Also the comments about the gender of the prof and showing her boobs... wtf...
12:24 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: what did I miss
12:25 <@oddball> I believe comments on comments made in this channel
12:25 <@SuMo_D> yep, scroll up
12:25 <@aestetix> oh
12:25 <@aestetix> I thought you were referring to a reddit page or something
12:25 <@wilpig> aestetix: you didn't miss it.  we said the girl that was asking RangerZ1 to do her homework wold have gotten further if she had sent boobs instead of a promise of money
12:25 <@aestetix> wait what
12:25 <@aestetix> ouch
12:26 <@SuMo_D> also that the gender of the prof in CS is a she... are you sure? wtf
12:26 < RangerZ1> i had 2 female profs in my undergrad
12:26 < RangerZ1> both pretty good looking
12:26 < RangerZ1> sadest part is .. if she had just ASKED for help, i probably would have helped her
12:27 < RangerZ1> but just asking to pay
12:27 < RangerZ1> no
12:27 <@wilpig> clearly you missed part of that statement on the "she"
12:27 <@aestetix> hmm
12:27 <@aestetix> I gotta say, I can be bribed with boobies as well
12:27 <@aestetix> As long as its not from Roseanne
12:28 <@wilpig> here let me repeat
12:28 <@wilpig> 11:54 <@wilpig> she?  you sure you got the right teacher?  ;)
12:28 <@SuMo_D> the winky face makes it ok?
12:28 <@SuMo_D> anyway...
12:28 <@wilpig> yes.  because clearly I am being a smart ass for the sake of it
12:28 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: I think that says more about RangerZ1 than anything :)
12:29 <@SuMo_D> end rant - I'm in a lot of pain this morning, and been reading too much of the truceconf back and forth this weekend... clearly I am a little out of sorts... but still guys... wtf
12:29 <@aestetix> oh christ
12:29 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: I had some emails with her, she was very happy to hear from a supporter
12:29 <@SuMo_D> yeah I bet
12:30 <@SuMo_D> you see her blog where she tried to answer them and then got a whole nother spin off?
12:30 <@SuMo_D> Their twitter account also got blocked temporarily for being "abusive"
12:30 <@aestetix> I did not
12:31 <@oddball> What's this?
12:32 <@SuMo_D> http://truceconf.com/ - and https://twitter.com/search?src=typd&q=%40truceconf
12:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / Search - @truceconf (at twitter.com)
12:33 <@aestetix> I'm really sad that she linked to Jacob Kaplan-Moss's post
12:33 <@aestetix> which I thought was an abomination of logic
12:33 <@aestetix> poor thing is in over her heard
12:33 <@aestetix> hed
12:34 <@aestetix> oh fuck she pulled in part of the ada iniative policy
12:37 <@SuMo_D> you mean the code of conduct?
12:38 <@aestetix> yes
12:38 <@aestetix> no sexual language of imagery
12:38 <@aestetix> just for that, I may register for the conference with the name "Mr. Penis Vagina"
12:39 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, the code of conduct is kind of heavy.  Even if I could afford to go, I doubt I would.
12:40 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: I refuse to go to any conference with words like that in a policy.
12:40 <@aestetix> And if it's a place I've been accepted to speak at, I withdraw.
12:41 <@Shadow404> aestetix: how about "Jack Meh Hoffman"
12:41 <@aestetix> hahha
12:41 <@aestetix> maybe Mr. Vagina Penis
12:41 <@Corydon76-home> Not that I generally have time to bake penis shaped cookies and eat them in public, but the freedom to have fun handing them out... good lord, take yourself a little less seriously
12:41 <@aestetix> that way they have to call me Mr. Penis
12:42 <@aestetix> And I'll have the initials MVP
12:42 <@Shadow404> haha
12:44 <@SuMo_D> I'm ok with a code of conduct, I just don't know how its enforceable and by who
12:44 <@SuMo_D> that's the problem
12:44 <@aestetix> I'm not ok with it at all.
12:44 <@aestetix> Sexual language and imagery are not the issue. Harassment is.
12:45 <@wilpig> your language is harassing me, that's the issue.  pfffffttttb
12:45 <@wilpig> while this convo goes down the fauxminism road i'm gonna go pick up lunch and i'll be back later with some woman bashing. :P
12:45 <@Corydon76-home> and while I understand the ideals of equality, it's very poorly stated in their code.  It's technology.  Like it or not, sometimes people get things wrong.  You cannot say that someone getting something wrong is just them having a different opinion.  It's not.  They're just wrong.
12:46 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: yep!
12:47 <@Dagmar> "A place that is safe and supportive for everyone".
12:47 <@Dagmar> Fuck that.
12:47 <@Dagmar> Some people are too damaged to mix with polite society.
12:48 <@aestetix> Like me?
12:48 <@aestetix> Oh wait you meant Shadow404
12:48 <@Dagmar> No, like anyone who uses the word "trigger" online more than twice a month.
12:48 <@aestetix> Unless they are with the NRA
12:48 <@Dagmar> ...unless they're playing BF4 or something.
12:49 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: you have a problem with database programmers?
12:49 <@oddball> Yeah... pretty sure I talk about triggers more often than that. :p
12:49 <@Dagmar> These people do not understand compromise, and they refuse to accept that there _are_ differences between the sexes, both physically and culturally.
12:49 <@Shadow404> aestetix: oh, im damaged, no doubt about it
12:49 <@Shadow404> and i do talk about triggers more than 2x/month
12:50 <@aestetix> But uh
12:50 <@aestetix> Ironically, you know the conferences that have to strive more than anyone else to provide safe spaces and gentle codes of conduct?
12:50 <@Dagmar> They're bound and determined to throw a fit every time someone even so much as acknowledges that there might be differences, and that throws diversity out the window in favor of ignoring every facet of those differences unless they're useful for throwing a fit about.
12:50 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I'm less concerned about the differences culturally.  Culture is simply an arbitrary filter
12:50 <@Dagmar> Fuck those people.
12:51 <@Dagmar> Also... I call bullshit.  "Feminists get death and rape threats every day."
12:51 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: what if you changed " That means you will not use sexual images in public spaces." to " That means you will not use inappropriate sexual images in public spaces."
12:51 <@Corydon76-home> Um, yeah.  If you get threats every day, something is very wrong in your environment
12:51 <@Dagmar> Rabid fauxminists might.  Actual feminists generally aren't so busy feeding the trolls to even attract their attention
12:52 <@aestetix> That one word makes it mostly ok for me.
12:52 <@Dagmar> "Inappapropriate" is the key to being reasonable.
12:52 <@Dagmar> They're not interested in being reasonable.
12:52 <@Corydon76-home> The simpliest Code of Conduct is best:  "Don't be a dick"
12:52 <@Dagmar> Like that bitch on Facebook who was throwing a fit about the "objectification of models" in reference to a set of lingerie ads
12:53 <@Dagmar> Like it or not, yes those models are being objectified.
12:53 <@Dagmar> No, it's not harmful.
12:53 <@aestetix> So
12:53 <@Corydon76-home> You should see the guys on Grindr who are being objectified
12:53 <@Dagmar> They're there because healthy humans sell more lingerie than plaster mannequins.  Their dignity is being ignored.
12:53 <@Shadow404> uh......its a model, they expect to be objectifed
12:53 <@aestetix> That's something I refer to as consentual objectification
12:54 <@Dagmar> Luckily, they're pretty damn dignified because the end result is that the models are being held up as awesome
12:54 <@Shadow404> and i expect to get turned on if they are trying to sell something
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12:55 <@Dagmar> Yeah, well, if you look up the meaning of objectification, it's rather clear about the person's dignity being ignored, but what it doesn't say is that this is axiomatically a bad thing.
12:55 <@Corydon76-home> I always enjoy reminding feminists that gay people exist, because when they pull the argument "All porn is bad, because it objectifies women," I have to remind them that gay porn exists, and how can something that contains NO women objectify women?
12:55 <@Dagmar> You can objectify someone positively just fine.
12:56 <@Dagmar> That whole "objectification is automatically degrading" argument is more of that retarded "I want to throw a fit and make everyone do what I say even if I make no fucking sense" bullshit
12:56 <@aestetix> Dagmar: I'd imagine that throwing a fit, whether it's from a male or female, is an attempt to gain power over others.
12:56 <@SuMo_D> I agree with Corydon76-home - Just don't be a dick
12:56 <@Dagmar> Pretty much
12:56 <@aestetix> IE why do little kids throw hissy fits? Because they want their parents to do something
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12:57 <@aestetix> Because whoever the target of the tantrum is is basically thinking "ok ok what the hell do I have to do to make this idiot shut up"
12:57 <@aestetix> Which is very different from "that's a reasonable point, I should think about that"
12:57 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: exactly.  In fact.  you cannot say that you value all opinions when your code of conduct explicitly states that some opinions will not be tolerated.
12:58 <@aestetix> I would say most of the anger about the TruceConf thing falls into the "shut up" category
12:58 <@aestetix> Which is reflected in the changes made to the website
13:01 <@Dagmar> So I've decided to try this No-Shave-November thing
13:02 <@oddball> Because you're being lazy?
13:02 <@Dagmar> Sure, I'm a bit behind in starting, but I still think I won't make it to the end of the month before people see why I do shave.
13:02 <@Dagmar> With a mustache or goatee I look like my own evil twin, and not even shaving can make people unsee it
13:03 <@Dagmar> Only a stovepipe hat and tailcoat could make me look more evil
13:08 <@oddball> I've got the hat you could borrow. :p
13:10 <@Dagmar> It's been about 11 years since I last gave it a shot.  We'll know soon enough
13:13 <@SuMo_D> Corydone76-home: exactly, I mean the whole back and forth with some of the people where were raging, I see where you're coming from and you're welcome to come but can you please shut up... errr.. I donno
13:14 <@Corydon76-home> It honestly sounds like it's more about HR than about tech.
13:15 <@SuMo_D> the thing is there are fundamental worldview differences clashing, those who see there's a war against an unjust structure of patriarchy and feel that they've been abused and systematically put down and those who are like dude.... I'm sick of all these stupid jokes all the time that make me feel uncomfortable or trying to fit into certain roles so I won't be labeled "that chick"
13:16 <@Corydon76-home> and telling a potential participant that if they come up with the wrong opinion, they're going to be escorted out doesn't do much for establishing a dialogue and educating.
13:16 <@SuMo_D> nope
13:16 <@Corydon76-home> otherwise, you're just preaching to the choir
13:17 <@Dagmar> The main problem is that they're being psycho about it.
13:17 <@SuMo_D> yeah I think the people that are going to attend... are probably people already aware of the issues and trying to deal with their shit... not sure how much of an impact they are going to have
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13:18 <@Dagmar> They're under the impression that their percieved grievances gives them the right to be completely unyielding and inflexible about things, and they're failing at Rule #1 for being a member of _society_, specifically, they are _not_ trying to get along with everyone else.
13:18 <@Dagmar> This is nothing but hypocracy, and it's why so many of the fauxminsts are having such problems.
13:18 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile the feminists don't really seem to be having a problem
13:19 <@SuMo_D> Dagmar they aren't trying to get along with the society because they believe the society is fundamentally flawed and want it to die
13:19 <@SuMo_D> which... apparently means yelling at it over the interent
13:19 <@SuMo_D> cause that changes everything
13:19 <@Dagmar> Then they should either go off and make their own, or perhaps look into what a society acutally is
13:19 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I have less of a problem with that because there really is a right and a wrong, and that's fine.  The problem is in pretending that you value everybody, because that's simply false.
13:20 <@SuMo_D> right
13:21 <@SuMo_D> And some of them are trying to make their alternate society... which yeah reminds me
13:21 <@SuMo_D> aestetix what do you think of Double Union?
13:22 <@Dagmar> I'll go further than that in saying that from here it looks like they're regularly taking a public shit on things which are both normal and _reasonable_
13:23 <@Dagmar> Mirage: --protect-args motherfucker
13:23 <@Dagmar> rsync over ssh isn't safe without it
13:23 <@Corydon76-home> Or more specifically, if you go into a school and tell the teacher everything they're doing is wrong, you're going to get tossed out on your ear and nothing will change.
13:24 <@Dagmar> Some motherfucker dropped the group-writable attribute on this whole damn DocumentRoot
13:24 <@Dagmar> @!#$@!
13:24 <@Corydon76-home> and the whole point of the exercise is to get school environments to change to be less enforcing of gender stereotypes
13:25 <@Corydon76-home> You cannot go off and create your own society without it being a temporary solution that doesn't fix the problem at large.
13:27 <@SuMo_D> agreed Corydon76-home
13:27 <@SuMo_D> which... is why I'm still in this room even though sometimes I'm like wtf was that?
13:27 <@SuMo_D> and I'm sure I say wtf stuff sometimes to
13:27 <@SuMo_D> o
13:28 <@Mirage> Dagmar: --protect-args which/what?
13:29 <@Dagmar> Mirage: The quick replicator between swo05 & 6 was missing that argument
13:30 <@SuMo_D> Just because somebody offends you, doesn't mean its offensive... and if somebody is being a dick, deal with it...
13:30 <@Dagmar> I noticed because they were getting 500's on the secondary on some things, which turned out to be because some fool took the group writeable attribute off shit somehow
13:30 <@Mirage> Dagmar: hrm..oops
13:30 <@Shadow404> lets do what hitler was trying to do, remove the group which you beleive is flawed and replace it with your ideal image, problem solved
13:30 <@Dagmar> Mirage: No biggie.  We still have a filesystem so it's all good!  :)
13:31 <@Dagmar> I was like "How the fuck is this not replicating correctly"
13:31 <@Mirage> Guess I never noticed or ran into it when I was testing to catch it.
13:31 <@Dagmar> Solution: Throw content into webgroup, put back the fucking group-writeable attributes
13:32 <@Dagmar> The lack of that wasn't causing this particular problem
13:32 <@Dagmar> I just happened to notice it on my way through
13:32 <@Dagmar> ...but like, without protect-args, even "New Folder" is a failtacular filename
13:33 <@Mirage> Chad and Alan missed it too then, they both blessed the simple-replicate script
13:33 <@Dagmar> I only know because I'm used to thinking in terms of "how can I break this shit"
13:33 <@Mirage> Not passing blame, just denoting that I'm not the only one who missed taht nugget
13:37 <@Mirage> Speaking of Alan, apparently he didn't get the Nashville job he was trying for...so he'll be staying out in L.A. doing contract work for awhile.
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14:07 <@Shadow404> speaking of feminists, how do lesbians decide who gets to be pregnant when trying to have a baby?
14:08 <@Shadow404> random side thought the previous convo stirred up
14:10 <@Mirage> Shadow404: I'd assume that it would be the 'bitch' vs the 'butch'
14:10 <@SuMo_D> .... it depends on the couple
14:11 <@Corydon76-home> Shadow404: A lesbian couple I know have two kids, and one each carried the child to term.
14:11 <@SuMo_D> I don't think there is a protocol
14:12 <@Corydon76-home> Just an example...
14:13 <@Shadow404> ah fair enough
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14:33 <@Dolemite> Mirage: So you're saying that Shadow404 would always be the one to carry the child?
14:33 <@Dagmar> well... shit
14:33 <@Dagmar> I saw this on WTVF's site this morning and was hoping it was just someone with the same name...
14:33 <@Dagmar> http://www.wsmv.com/story/23932312/man-arrested-after-allegedly-stabbing-roommate-with-samurai-sword
14:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Man arrested after allegedly stabbing roommate with sword - WSMV Channel 4 (at www.wsmv.com)
14:33 <@Dagmar> Nope.
14:35 <@Dagmar> Still, only an idiot rushes a guy holding a katana
14:35 <@Dagmar> Hopefully the self-defense aspect will keep him from major jail time
14:35 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: someone you know?
14:36 <@Dagmar> Yes.  I know him from Dragon Park and he used to be the day manager at Bongo Java
14:36 < RangerZ1> ahh
14:36 <@Corydon76-home> It's somewhat humorous, because most of the swords sold out there are not actually sharp
14:36 <@Dagmar> yeah that's one good thing about a katana.  The wound is relatively forgiving if you're not trying to kill someone with it
14:37 <@Dagmar> Two dozen stitches or so
14:37 <@Corydon76-home> Maybe the roommate thought it was one of those fake swords
14:37 <@Dagmar> If you don't twist or fish around with it, it's just a set of holes
14:37 <@Corydon76-home> Still, fucking idiot to impale himself
14:39 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm wondering about his housemate's intelligence with respect to rushing a guy with a katana
14:40 < RangerZ1> everyone knows you just shoot people with katanas
14:41 < frsilent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzcOCyHDqc
14:41 < GateKeeper> Title: Indiana Jones : Sword vs. Gun - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:42 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Most of the swords out there are sharp, but will probably snap after one or two solid blows.
14:42 < RangerZ1> so apparently, that scene is only in the movie, b/c ford was tired that day, and they decided to not do the complicated sword fight that they had planned and choreographed
14:42 < RangerZ1> apparently it was 2~3min long or so
14:43 < frsilent> yeah heard it was improv on ford's part
14:43 <@oddball> Yep, he had the flu or something.
14:44 <@Corydon76-home> Improv and one of the funniest scenes in the movie
14:44 < frsilent> ^
14:52 <@Shadow404> agreed, loved it
14:53 <@oddball> and got referenced in Temple of Doom.
14:54 <@wilpig> per earlier.  I think I had a router once that called holes in the firewall triggers.
14:54 <@wilpig> an older linksys maybe?
14:56 <@Corydon76-home> You can trigger rules based upon volume of packets received... rate limiting, for example...
14:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah Linksys calls it port "triggering"
14:56 <@Dagmar> Generally used to open another hole based on hte use of the first one
14:56 <@Dagmar> Looks like our new guy has adopted the "do as little as possible" approach from Johnson
14:57 <@Dagmar> He closed a ticket on Friday for a redirection problem that Public Affairs was having, without actually looking closely enough to see the problem I fixed in ten minutes earlier today
14:57 <@Corydon76-home> Thought that was pretty much policy at Vandy...
14:57 <@Dagmar> hrh
14:57 <@Dagmar> heh
14:57 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Well, it is among the people who are only here to fatten their egos and/or simply collect a paycheck
14:58 <@Dagmar> I acutally fucking care if things work like they should.
14:58 <@Corydon76-home> Change management is basically a policy to ensure that nothing gets done.
14:59 <@Dagmar> Well, that's what it's being used for here now, to be sure.
14:59 <@Dagmar> I will freely admit to having fixed several things today, and I'll challenge anyone to show where it would have been even a little bit useful to put the shit through change and wait three days
14:59 <@Dagmar> ...especially considering it was always supposed to be working like I just fixed it.
14:59 <@Corydon76-home> There are good reasons to use it (like when you really don't want shit to change), but there it's just dysfunctional
15:01 <@Dagmar> I submitted a rather long and detailed list of how dysfunctional it is to Zafar on Friday
15:01 <@Corydon76-home> We probably could have used some change management on some of the software projects I worked, where after I fixed a bug, I put in a comment detailing exactly why it had to be that way.  Next guy who came through completely ignored the comment and broke it again.
15:02 <@Dagmar> If he's the type to let people have enough rope to hang themselves, I gave him somewhere between six inches and a foot for both Hogan and Johnson
15:02 <@Corydon76-home> Only place change management really belongs is on features and long and involved bug fixes
15:02 <@Corydon76-home> Where in order to fix a bug, you've got to add a feature
15:02 <@Dagmar> Yes.
15:03 <@Dagmar> We have a positively retarded definition of change here.
15:03 <@Dagmar> i.e. "anything that doesn't come back up exactly in exactly the same state before a reboot"
15:03 <@Dagmar> We also have "previously approved standard changes" which require managerial approval
15:03 <@Dagmar> ...which is just abusing English.
15:04 <@Corydon76-home> What was infuriating is that the comment I put on the code was just left intact, regardless of the fact that the comment no longer applied after the guy had broken the code.
15:04 <@Corydon76-home> No indication that my logic was wrong (which it wasn't), just broke the fucking code.
15:05 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: re: double union, I think they are misguided in the same way
15:05 < frsilent> Corydon76-home: thank god for version control these days for shit like that
15:05 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home: I break Dolemite's code like that all teh time.  it keeps him on his toes
15:05 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you say double union, and I'm thinking of C code.
15:05  * frsilent has been a victim of some junior programmer with an ego trying to "fix" his shit
15:05 <@aestetix> http://www.doubleunion.org/
15:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Double Union | A hacker/maker space for women in San Francisco (at www.doubleunion.org)
15:06 <@Dagmar> SEXIST!
15:07 <@wilpig> aestetix: so they promote sewing as their first activity, yet aren't pushing stereotypes and they are inclusive of everythign but men?  AWESOME!  I wanna sign up!
15:08 < frsilent> lol
15:08 <@Corydon76-home> As long as they let feminine men into the mix, I have less of a problem with it.
15:08 < frsilent> why not just have shit available to everyone regardless of sex/religion/etc?
15:08 <@aestetix> frsilent: because oppression
15:08 < frsilent> & be supppeeerrrrr strict on a "no asshole" policy
15:08 <@wilpig> cause then you're gonna have a bunch of men in ther ethat want to make stuff and do things
15:08 < frsilent> lol
15:09 <@Corydon76-home> Well, I do understand the emphasis on allowing people who would generally stay away from that mix...
15:09 < frsilent> as somebody raised by a single mother that is an engineer...I take offense to that
15:09  * wilpig pees on frsilent's leg
15:09 < frsilent> & fuck adria richards
15:09 < frsilent> lol
15:10 <@Corydon76-home> frsilent: Honestly, if the governing board were dominated by women, letting anybody in shouldn't be a problem
15:11 <@Corydon76-home> I suspect that would more than equalize the environment
15:11 <@aestetix> The fundamental issue is that there are groups like the Ada Initiative that make money from these outrages
15:11 <@aestetix> Every time there's another outburst, someone cries "donate to the ada iniative"
15:11 <@aestetix> Which leads one to believe there may be other reasons for these outbursts.
15:12 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: fundraising tool?
15:12 <@aestetix> yep!
15:12 <@aestetix> Which is why some people are calling for them to release their financials to find out where the money is being spent
15:12 < frsilent> oh wow
15:13 <@Corydon76-home> I suppose it's possible, but I tend not to think that people are that dickish in the opposite extreme
15:13 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: have you *seen* some of their comments?
15:13 <@aestetix> Case in point: I see all kinds of shit about conferences being shamed for having an all-male lineup
15:13 < frsilent> wilpig: aren't you a recent MBP convert as well? (new hardware these past 2 weeks & I can feel myself turning)
15:14 <@wilpig> air
15:14 <@wilpig> but sorta
15:14 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: Yes, but from the safety of the Internet, some people make some of the most outlandish arguments, simply because they can form the full thought without interruption
15:14 <@aestetix> But not once have I seen Ada Initiave or anyone else create a mailing list of female tech workers and ask conferences to send their CFPs to their list
15:14 <@Dagmar> Of course they don't do that.
15:14 <@wilpig> frsilent: my new one is supposed to be here this week.  it was last seen in the NYC office
15:14 <@Dagmar> This isn't about setting an example.  This is about making everyone else stop and do what they tell them.
15:14 <@aestetix> Because that would go a long way towards solving the actual issue, and remove a chance to get funds
15:15  * wilpig demands that Dagmar bring him a mexican coke from the fridge at once
15:15 <@Corydon76-home> It doesn't solve the issue, either
15:15 <@aestetix> You know Val (who runs the ada initiaive) quit her day job to do so, right?
15:15 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: it helps a hell of a lot though.
15:15 <@wilpig> well there is so much to do in order to further their cause. she can't do both
15:16 <@Corydon76-home> No, the way to solve the issue is to get teachers and parents of kids to encourage breaking gender stereotypes
15:16 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: that's the way to solve the issue long-term
15:16 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, short term fixes won't help unless you address the long term
15:16 <@aestetix> However, getting female speakers is an immediate distribution issue that can be short-term solved by..... sending your conference CFP to an email list full of potential female speakers
15:17 <@Shadow404> Dagmar, get me a coke too
15:17 <@aestetix> Can I have some coke?
15:17 <@Dagmar> I htink you're mistaken, Corydon.  The real solution is clearly what ADA are doing.  Blaming absolutely everyone.
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15:18 <@Corydon76-home> We're also still incredibly white.
15:18 <@wilpig> who you callin' white, honkey?
15:18 <@Corydon76-home> Until closer to 13% of our conferences are black, we aren't doing much in the name of diversity
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15:19 <@Dagmar> That's because this is viewed as a "crazy white people" hobby.
15:19 <@Dagmar> I'm not going to get into the habit of taking _blame_ because I'm white.
15:19 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: one thing I've been thinking about recently....
15:19 <@aestetix> Why the division being white/black? Why not irish/italian/german/etc
15:19 <@Corydon76-home> Everytime someone cries sexism in the name of diversity, I look at the makeup of that female group, and it's almost always 100% white
15:20 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: there is that.
15:21 < frsilent> some people just like to feel victimized
15:21 <@Corydon76-home> frsilent: this is no time to be talking about sexual practices
15:22 < frsilent> lol
15:22 <@Corydon76-home> I mean, I like being pinned down and forced to penetrate a power bottom as much as the next guy, but...
15:24 <@wilpig> o.O
15:24 <@Corydon76-home> I mean, as long as they're at least 18.  Those 16yo power bottoms scare me.
15:24 <@Shadow404> power bottom?
15:24 < frsilent> Shadow404: why would we even want to know?
15:24 <@wilpig> ^
15:24 <@Corydon76-home> Shadow404: it's exactly what it sounds like
15:25 <@Shadow404> uh, im in the bdsm scene, and ive heard the term
15:25 <@Shadow404> but never knew the real defenition
15:25 <@Shadow404> so, a toppy bottom aggressive personality?
15:25 < frsilent> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=power%20bottom
15:25 <@Shadow404> like a brat Corydon76-home ?
15:25 < GateKeeper> Title: Urban Dictionary: power bottom (at www.urbandictionary.com)
15:25 <@Shadow404> ah, let me use my phone for that site
15:25 <@Corydon76-home> also known as aggressive bottoms, yes
15:26 <@Shadow404> ah, ok, so yeah, thats my gf and i agree with that comment then
15:27 <@aestetix> is your gf a power bottom?
15:27 <@Corydon76-home> Some of them can have you begging to be allowed to sleep and not be forced to orgasm again
15:28 <@Shadow404> we usually call them bratty bottoms
15:28 <@Shadow404> or a "toppy" bottom
15:28 <@Shadow404> or "topping from the bottom"
15:28 <@aestetix> http://stayinyourprime.com/
15:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Prime (at stayinyourprime.com)
15:28 <@aestetix> wow, this company makes every mistake possible
15:28 <@Shadow404> only heard power power bottoms phrase used sparingly
15:30 <@Corydon76-home> Shadow404: you mean like the guys who spend 4 hours in a sling?
15:31 <@Shadow404> eek, no experience with that
15:31 <@Shadow404> that would be painful
15:32 <@Corydon76-home> I'm not a bottom, so I cannot really comment on that, but I suspect most of them enjoy the hell out of it
15:32 <@Shadow404> unless its a discipline fuck
15:32 <@aestetix> Shadow404: you really need to go to church more
15:33 <@Shadow404> aestetix: id probably burn just pulling into the parking lot
15:33 <@aestetix> That'll help get rid of the layer of sin
15:34 <@Shadow404> lawl
15:34 <@aestetix> Didn't you go to a church youth group when you were a kid?
15:34 <@aestetix> What would they think of you now?
15:34 <@Shadow404> good for him
15:35 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I used to be the goodie two shoes who knew all the correct answers in Sunday school and youth group.  That should tell you something.
15:35 <@aestetix> Do you really think you will find the lit path to god inside the asshole of a random whore at a BSDM club?
15:35 <@Shadow404> meh...and i was always bored as can be in sunday school
15:35 <@Shadow404> and church groups were to cliques
15:36 <@Shadow404> aestetix: i dont do the rnadom swinger thing
15:36 <@Shadow404> bdsm and swinging are seperate entities
15:36 <@Shadow404> not that they cant happen at the same time
15:36 <@Shadow404> but yeah, not a swinger
15:36 <@Corydon76-home> http://imswinging.com (nsfw)
15:36 < GateKeeper> Title: Hi! I'm swinging. (at imswinging.com)
15:37 <@aestetix> Shadow404: close the butthole, leave the sex club, take a shower, get a haircut, buy respectable clothes, and take your family back to church!
15:37 <@aestetix> By god you can still be saved!
15:37 <@aestetix> ok maybe I've been watching too many billy graham videos
15:38 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: you might be surprised how many people who are into BDSM go to church on Sundays
15:38 <@Corydon76-home> For an extreme case, look at the BTK Killer
15:38 <@Shadow404> aestetix: you are strange
15:39 <@Corydon76-home> It's why the mantra is "Safe, Sane, Consensual"
15:39 <@Shadow404> yeah, there are quite a few of church groups that are affiliated with the bdsm scene
15:39 <@Shadow404> even bible study groups
15:39 <@Corydon76-home> To be a True Believer, you pretty much have to be a masochist.
15:40 < frsilent> I'm still not sure why I just spent the last minute reading all of this
15:41 <@Corydon76-home> It's like a train wreck... you can't look away
15:42 < frsilent> what happened to the Ada Initiative discussion?
15:42 <@Corydon76-home> It got derailed
15:42 <@Shadow404> power bottoms
15:42 <@Shadow404> :)
15:44 <@Dagmar> lol we have a user requesting her email quota be increased by thirty gigabytes
15:45 <@wilpig> wtf
15:45 <@aestetix> you should say "ok" but accidentally set it to 30 megs
15:45 <@wilpig> did anyone tell her that the email servers are not for file storage?
15:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm listning to the mail admins fail to remember that
15:46 <@Dagmar> tee hee
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15:48 <@wilpig> my only response to requests like that would be somethign along the lines of "Have you tried the automatic cleaning settings in outlook?  They'll empty that deleted items folder for you and clear up that space."
15:48 <@Dagmar> You can't use those.
15:48 <@Dagmar> Some people keep their important mails in the Deleted Items folder.
15:48 <@wilpig> Email more than two months old... to the archives with you.  and those 100;s of attachements of cat videos, gone.
15:48 <@wilpig> Dagmar: we call those people idiots.
15:48 <@wilpig> we shouldn't tolerate them.  just punish and move on.  they'll learn or get run the fuck over
15:49 <@Dagmar> I've actually heard them recovering mail spools for people who were doing this...  keeping their mails sorted neatly into folders in the Deleted Items folder
15:49 <@oddball> This is my shocked face
15:49 <@wilpig> oddball: that looks like your i've gotta take a shit face
15:49 < frsilent> son of a....time to refactor some code
15:50 < frsilent> okay nobody tease me too badly...I used prototype a lot at my last job & so am new to jquery
15:50 <@oddball> wilpig: It's very similar to my "you're a dumbass" face.
15:50 < frsilent> I just discovered the difference between $(this) & this
15:50 <@Dagmar> THere's a difference?
15:50 <@Dagmar> Shit I htought it was just for applying styles to buttons
15:51 < frsilent> well yeah especially when I'm applying to attributes wish .each & don't want the jquery object at all
15:52 < frsilent> my code's complexity just got reduced in about 10 different methods
15:53 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, yeah, the object method is because the selectors can fetch multiples
15:54 < frsilent> yep
15:54 <@Corydon76-home> Not that it does with that selector, but...
15:54 <@aestetix> Dagmar: you should get a job at tumblr
15:54 <@aestetix> I have a friend who works there
15:55 <@Dagmar> Really?  So do I!
15:55 <@Dagmar> Small world
15:55 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I don't know about you, but I generally don't work for places when I don't understand how they make money.
15:56 <@aestetix> Corydon76-home: you'd hate the bay area then
15:56 <@Corydon76-home> Pretty much
15:56 <@aestetix> Albeit I'd say most of the companies around here get their primary income source from investors
15:56 <@Corydon76-home> That's unsustainable, though
15:57 <@aestetix> yep
15:57 <@Shadow404> yeah, then they are slaves to the investors
15:57 <@Corydon76-home> If I'm going to make a move for employment, I need to be reasonably sure they're going to be around for 3-5 years, at least
15:57 <@Shadow404> kinda like politics, the ceo/executives will do what they have to, to appease the investors
15:57 <@Shadow404> not for the health of the company/employees
15:59 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, I probably could have started my own dot-com and made a few million on an IPO back in the day, but I don't have the ability to lie my ass off and tell investors I think we have a good business plan, when my plan is to get out before the money dries up
15:59 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home: you also have a house, etc.  In my case I was stuck in a deadend position and something like Tumblr on my resume looks pretty fuckin' good even if i'm not here in two yeras
15:59 <@wilpig> years*
15:59 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: fair enough
16:08 <@aestetix> I thought tumblr's business model was stupid blog pages serving as a platform for ads
16:09 <@Dagmar> It's not just blog pages.  There's also "tasteful noods"
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16:09 <@aestetix> and stylish porn
16:09 <@aestetix> god I wish I ran that site
16:11 <@Shadow404> vag heaven?
16:11 <@wilpig> I just realized I can find out who runs that now
16:11 <@wilpig> just one second
16:11 <@Dagmar> I wish SNMP made things easier
16:11 <@aestetix> no no no
16:11 <@aestetix> wilpig: let it remain a mystery
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16:12 <@wilpig> okay are you sure this isn't you?
16:12 <@aestetix> yes
16:12 <@wilpig> cause this is clearly a hacker way to run this
16:12 <@aestetix> I mean feel free to look
16:12 <@aestetix> I just don't wanna know
16:12 <@aestetix> unless they are also a hot chick
16:12 <@wilpig> I just have an email
16:12  * aestetix waits for the beating from SuMo_D 
16:13 < frsilent> lol
16:13 <@wilpig> aestetix: agreed?
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> http://tnredneckboy.tumblr.com/
16:14 < GateKeeper> Title: TNRedneckBoy (at tnredneckboy.tumblr.com)
16:14 <@wilpig> damnit.  at least say nsfw
16:14 <@Dagmar> YOU WORK THERE
16:15 <@Corydon76-home> It's Tumblr.  Of course it's NSFW
16:15 <@wilpig> still
16:15 <@Shadow404> what was that porn company that a bunch of 2600 peeps worked at in atlanta?
16:15 <@wilpig> hey not all are nsfw
16:15 <@Dagmar> "Someone referred me to a URL we host"
16:15 < frsilent> lol
16:16 <@Dagmar> It's amazing.  My interest in refactoring our sendmail deployment is exactly zero.
16:16 <@Dagmar> Not one single fuck do I give.
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> There's always this one:  http://mathfin99.tumblr.com/
16:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Testosterone containers (at mathfin99.tumblr.com)
16:17 <@wilpig> I'm not clicking it.  It's just gonna be some other dude taking a shit
16:17 <@Dagmar> Knowing that anything I do will be nitpicked to death by Sean, and then aggressively refactored, and that I'll have to fight tooth and nail every step of the way for every aspect of the configuration, and still be paid shit and generally treated like I don't know what I'm doing...
16:17 <@Dagmar> Not one single solitary fuck
16:17 <@Dagmar> ...because they'll definitely all gather around to help take credit for something they didn't actually do anything with
16:18 <@Dagmar> Imma go have a cigarette and get a snack.
16:18 <@Dagmar> Fuck this shit.
16:18 <@wilpig> just submit each job with an extra routine function seancanremovethis(useless, moreuseless){gibberish that will parse but do nothing}
16:18 <@Dagmar> Nope
16:18 <@Dagmar> I'm quite serious.
16:19 <@wilpig> I am too.  have it labeled extrafunctionforseantonitpick   or something similar
16:19 <@Dagmar> I have more reasons to just ignore the problem than I do to try and fix it, by a factor of about five.
16:19 <@Dagmar> From where I sit, refactoring the sendmail deployment would be a thing you'd _just do_ without having a coherent reason beyond _experience_
16:20 <@Dagmar> ...but experience and intuition don't amount to shit here, and even if I did track down a solid reason, they'd never understand it and continue to ignore it.
16:21 <@Dagmar> Under normal circumstances I would never deploy a sendmail setup where I didn't build the configuratin from mc files
16:21 <@Dagmar> This fucker has shit leftover from Solaris in it
16:21 <@Dagmar> There's no telling what effect that is having
16:22 <@Corydon76-home> One more for you, Wilpig:  http://iguys.tumblr.com/
16:22 < GateKeeper> Title: iGuys (at iguys.tumblr.com)
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Goddamn, you need to see the dick on that guy
16:23 <@wilpig> nope
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> It's near the bottom of the page
16:23 <@wilpig> not gonna do it
16:35 <@Corydon76-home> You ever been looking at porn and think, "Oh, shit, I think I know that guy"?
16:36 < dc0de> all the time...
16:36 < dc0de> but it's usually, "Hey, I met that chick!"
16:37 <@Shadow404> dc0de: so its TV pron?
16:37 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home: any suggestions on an rss notifier/reader for osx?
16:37 <@Shadow404> tranvestite
16:37  * wilpig is skeptical but googles transvestite
16:38 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: I've seen a few
16:38 <@Corydon76-home> Never used them, though
16:38 <@oddball> Wow... someone doing a review on an old Streetsweeper shotgun... apparently it was truly a terrible gun: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uoy14h6K5TY
16:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Streetsweeper Shotgun - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:38 <@Corydon76-home> The thing about Google is that once they focus on doing something like that, pretty much every other app developer gives up
16:39 <@Corydon76-home> so Google Reader killed a lot of apps
16:40 <@oddball> wilpig: Feedly?
16:43 <@opticron> wilpig, I use tt-rss running on my VPS
16:43 <@opticron> there's an android app for it
16:43 <@wilpig> I've got an rss feed for the ticket system here and i'd like to make something pop up on the screen when a new ticket comes in.
16:43 <@wilpig> just trying to make things easier to monitor for me
16:44 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: And, oddly enough, a few closed down after Google shut down Reader due to the massive increase in traffic.
16:46 < RangerZ> VC = gambling now a days
16:47 < RangerZ> but reader being shut down, is actually a big inconvenience to me, I hadn't used it in about a year, but it fills a role and I haven't found anything other than windows RSS reader that does the ame
16:47 < RangerZ> same*
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17:01 <@oddball> Reader was definately the best of what was out there, but Feedly has worked well for me so far.
17:02 <@oddball> The biggest thing that it's missing for me is an ability to search through old posts.
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17:04 < nachoguy> opticron, how is it
17:04 < nachoguy> I've been meaning to set it up
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17:07 <@opticron> nachoguy, it's decent
17:07 <@opticron> I havent' tried the app yet
17:07 <@opticron> because you either pay for it or compile it yourself
17:08 <@brimstone> the dev for tt-rss is a dick :(
17:08 <@opticron> if I test out the app and it works nicely, I'll pay for it
17:08 <@brimstone> is the tt-rss app in fdroid?
17:09 <@opticron> no idea
17:09 < nachoguy> brimstone: I got that feeling from readong some of the forums/mail lists
17:09 <@opticron> I think I'll go home and try that out right now
17:40 <@Shadow404> orap, this house long island is strong as shit, bartender must be new
17:40 <@Shadow404> ty Apple bees
17:44 <@Shadow404> and happy veterans day to all that served.  thank you
17:51 <@wilpig> alright.  gps update started.  now laundry.  then dinner. then business taxes.
17:52 <@Dagmar> You realize that every single component in a Long Island Iced Tea is alcohol, right?
17:53 <@Dagmar> If it tastes like booze, it's because the bartender isn't making them right.
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17:53 <@Dagmar> Well, with the exception of a splash of cola
17:54 <@Dagmar> Vodka, gin, tequila, triple-sec, rum...
17:57 <@wilpig> I thought there was a splash of simple syrup in there too
17:59 <@Dagmar> THe sour mix
17:59 <@Dagmar> the cola  is for color
17:59 <@Dagmar> But there's at most 1.5 parts not-alcohol in the things
18:00 <@wilpig> I just found my PN6 pint glass.  woot!
18:01 <@wilpig> I knew when I moved from Murray I had packed it someplace safe I just wasn't sure where that safe place was.
18:01 <@wilpig> it was with the blender!
18:26 <@opticron> there's apparently a 7 day trial on the tt-rss app now
18:26 <@opticron> it's a little kludgy, but usable
18:26 <@opticron> apparently it doesn't do notifications at all
18:27 <@opticron> not like I need it to, though
18:28 <@opticron> brimstone, yes, there's a version of it on fdroid released by a different guy since it's gpl
18:30 <@opticron> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.ttrssreader&hl=en
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19:03 < Th3Fr1ng3> Hey, how's it going?
19:05 <@wilpig> meh
19:05 <@wilpig> ipv6 on an android... tablet?
19:07 < Th3Fr1ng3> S4
19:07 <@wilpig> gotcha on wifi then.  I should have thought of that
19:07 < Th3Fr1ng3> Actually sitting in a parking lot on 4g
19:08 <@wilpig> whaaaa? so who is this mystery carrier doing ipv6 assuming you didn't just vpn into someplace with it
19:08 < Th3Fr1ng3> Big Red bastards
19:08 < Th3Fr1ng3> Verizon
19:09 <@wilpig> no shit?  hrmm.  had no idea they started doing mobile ipv6
19:09 < Th3Fr1ng3> I think it was in the new update a couple days ago
19:11 <@wilpig> I swear.  tomtom has the worst update software in the fucking world
19:12 <@wilpig> what is with this shit that it NEVER wants to just update right and work.
19:14 < Th3Fr1ng3> Then it would be to simple and no one would rage break one and have to buy another lol
19:14 <@wilpig> this is a valid theory
19:16 < Th3Fr1ng3> I used to have a garmin but since smart phones and Google maps I haven't used it in forever.
19:16 <@wilpig> I still prefer my gps to the phone navigation.  I like that I can get realtime traffic on the gps and tell it to avoid portions of the trip easily, etc
19:17 < Th3Fr1ng3> That could come in handy
19:17 <@wilpig> I can get that kind of shit on the phone but... it's a backup
19:17 < Th3Fr1ng3> What area of the se u from?
19:18 <@wilpig> was in nashville.  in NJ now though
19:19 < Th3Fr1ng3> Cool. I'm in nashville. U know if the meeting is active here? Gonna try to make it next month
19:19 <@wilpig> it's quite active
19:19 < Th3Fr1ng3> Awesome
19:20 <@wilpig> be at J&Js market on the 6th at about 6
19:20 <@wilpig> normally we'll have the big table but that's not a guarantee.  go in buy a drink look for the group with laptops that look like social rejects
19:21 < Th3Fr1ng3> Lol
19:21 <@Shadow404> HEY
19:21 <@Shadow404> dont make fun of my employer
19:21 <@Shadow404> they pay well
19:21 <@wilpig> I didn't say shit abotu level3
19:21 <@wilpig> and you aren't in nashville either
19:21 <@Shadow404> verizon
19:21 <@Shadow404> and i was talking to Th3Fr1ng3
19:22 <@Shadow404> the world is all about serving you wilpig
19:22 <@wilpig> Shadow404: I'm still calling shenanigans, btw
19:22 <@Shadow404> wilpig: whats that restraunt down the street with all teh goofy shit hanging on the walls?
19:22 < Th3Fr1ng3> I actually like Verizon but I still give em hell
19:22 < Th3Fr1ng3> Fridays?
19:22 <@Shadow404> no, not tht place
19:22 <@Shadow404> the other one
19:22 <@wilpig> shenanigans?  you fuckin'....
19:23 <@Shadow404> dohhhhhhh
19:23  * Shadow404 hands dolemite a pistol
19:24 < Th3Fr1ng3> I've saw that in a movie. Didn't know it was a real place
19:24 <@wilpig> alright.  clothes are out of the washer, checks have been written to the tn dept of revenue, gps has been updated.  there was something else I needed to do tonight
19:24  * Shadow404 points to the porn sites on the window miniized behind irc
19:24 < Th3Fr1ng3> Party!
19:24 < Th3Fr1ng3> Lol
19:25 <@wilpig> Shadow404: did I post another screenshot like that?
19:25 < Th3Fr1ng3> The sound is left up for background moaning
19:25 <@Shadow404> wilpig: not yet
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19:35 <@wilpig> hrmm.  wish I had a way to my dev box at work that doesn't require the use of the vpn
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19:57 <@SuMo_D> aestetix I was at the oncologist... what was I going to beat you about? too lazy to read the whole thread
19:57 <@SuMo_D> something about porn?
19:58 <@SuMo_D> Also - good day! Didn't cry from nerve damaged arms (its usually a 4/5 chance this happens) and all the tests I got back were all good :) few still pending
20:00 < Th3Fr1ng3> Hi Sumo
20:00 <@SuMo_D> hey Th3Fring3
20:01 < Th3Fr1ng3> I'm tired of the cold already
20:02 <@SuMo_D> awww are you in Nashville?
20:02 <@SuMo_D> I'm further south, and its been really nice here it was in the 70s over the weekend, today was a bit chillier
20:04 < Th3Fr1ng3> Yea
20:04 < Th3Fr1ng3> It got in the high 60s today but it was freezing this morning
20:05 < Th3Fr1ng3> Went from bundled up in a big coat, hat and gloves to a t shirt by afternoon
20:05 < northrup> Have you seen the forcast for tonight / tomorrow?
20:05 < northrup> low of 21
20:05 <@SuMo_D> yeah I lived in Boston for about 5 years... don't miss the winters one bit
20:06 <@SuMo_D> I talked to one of my best friends in VT last week, he said its been freezing there for a few weeks
20:10 < northrup> I used to live in Washington State, and having now lived in TN for 25 years, I do miss a good winter now... especially when it comes to killing bugs, which we haven't had in TN in forever.
20:12 < Th3Fr1ng3> 21 in nashville?
20:12 < Th3Fr1ng3> Nashville hasn't had a bad winter in a long time. Farmers almanac says it could be bad this year
20:24 <@Corydon76-home> It supposedly said the same for last year
20:26 < Th3Fr1ng3> Last year was pretty mild. There were a few cold  snaps
20:28 < northrup> Yeah... I don't know how much stock I put in the farmers almanac
20:51 < Th3Fr1ng3> I'm gonna get one and see how accurate it is.
20:54 <@wilpig> damn knees.  damn cold making them hurt.  I think I might have slipped into being "old"
20:56 < Th3Fr1ng3> It sneaks up on u. I'm starting to feel that way.
20:57 < Th3Fr1ng3> Knees pop and have to make sound effects like "ohh" when I stand up
20:58 <@SuMo_D> northrup I did the majority of my cancer treatment in Seattle... loved it... but yeah its not the same as a north east man... its -13 and I have to walk a mile+ to school, no.... and yeah NYC was better, but still snow, uhg no...
21:00 < northrup> SuMo_D: Heh, I understand. Don't get me wrong, I love living in the south / nashville area as we get (for the most part) four seasons.
21:01 < northrup> As much as I think it might be nice, living in some place like southern Cali where it's pretty much 72 degress all year round would get old.
21:01 <@SuMo_D> yeah, I moved around a lot, but I spent a lot of time in deserts winter was  new thing for me when I moved to Boston lol
21:04 <@SuMo_D> I'm really enjoying seasons here in the mountains.... the leaves are so pretty right now makes me happy
21:05 < northrup> SuMo_D: where are you at now?
21:06 <@SuMo_D> Near Greenville SC
21:08 <@SuMo_D> close to the NC border
21:11 < northrup> good deal, I was in Greenville back in 2003 to speak at USC Greenville on VoIP
21:11 < northrup> really nice area
21:23 <@SuMo_D> yeah and the city is really getting its shit together, lots of interesting stuff going on
21:23 <@SuMo_D> I never thought I'd end up here, but now really happy I did
21:25 <@SuMo_D> and since I have ongoing issues with my recovery... and probably always will have some crap going on... gotta make the most of where I'm at
21:25 < northrup> that's a good outlook for sure
21:29 <@SuMo_D> well, better than the alternatives
21:29 <@SuMo_D> it was a big culture shock at first... but now I've found a groove its good...
21:37 <@Corydon76-home> SuMo_D: I abandoned plans to graph Debian dependencies and just went with FreeBSD
21:37 <@Corydon76-home> http://220.gig.abyt.es/zen/
21:38 <@SuMo_D> sweet
21:39 <@SuMo_D> this one is a bit easier to follow
21:39 <@SuMo_D> I dig it :)
21:39 <@Corydon76-home> Click on one of the package names
21:39 <@SuMo_D> I did
21:40 <@SuMo_D> its neat
21:40 <@Corydon76-home> Click on a non-green package name in the subgraph
21:40 <@Corydon76-home> It re-centers on that package
21:40 <@SuMo_D> yeah
21:41 <@SuMo_D> I could see this being super useful in a few different senerios
21:41 <@Corydon76-home> and if you click on the green highlighted package, it goes back to the full graph
21:42 <@SuMo_D> :)
21:42 <@Corydon76-home> Only thing that's being done on the server is the filtering
21:43 <@wilpig> what's teh server generating the text off of?
21:43 <@wilpig> how is it generating the pathing between nodes?
21:44 <@Corydon76-home> In FreeBSD, the packages are all stored in plaintext format in /var/db/pkg/
21:45 <@Corydon76-home> If you load and view /zen/zen-pkgmap.gv all by itself, you'll see how it's done
21:45 <@SuMo_D> I'll have to look into it
21:45 <@Corydon76-home> Or rather, load /zen/zen-pkgmap.dot, which is the source file
21:46 <@Corydon76-home> Just make sure you realize that it's plaintext, not an MS-Word document template
21:46 <@SuMo_D> this could be helpful for some of the other kids program projects where they are coordinating
21:46 <@SuMo_D> yeah, I haven't touched MS word in years...
21:46 <@Corydon76-home> Well, if you're on Windows, that assumes that the .dot extension is a document template
21:46 <@wilpig> That part there is easy stuff.  i'm curious on how it's generating the links between them
21:46 <@SuMo_D> even though my brother works at MS and sent me a copy of 360
21:47 <@wilpig> I can see this useful for diagraming out databases and their connections
21:47 <@SuMo_D> totally
21:47 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: in the package system, the dependencies for each package are listed in plaintext
21:49 <@Corydon76-home> So, for example, there's a file on this FreeBSD system at /var/db/pkg/p5-Crypt-CBC-2.33/+REQUIRED_BY
21:49 <@Corydon76-home> and that contains a list of packages, one per line
21:49 < northrup> ((shuder)), I've been off windows so long, I assume that the .dot is a Graphviz file
21:49 <@SuMo_D> ha
21:50 <@Corydon76-home> northrup: In this case, I'm using the xdot pre-rendering along with CanViz, which is a Googlecode hosted project
21:50 <@Corydon76-home> In the case of my network map, though, I'm using the dual rendering of a png along with an imagemap
21:50 < northrup> Corydon76-home: what are you using for a network map?
21:51 <@Corydon76-home> and the HTML-like syntax to render the switch
21:51 <@Corydon76-home> It's GraphViz
21:51 < northrup> oh - I thought you were going to come back with some sexy open source package that I hadn't seen yet
21:51 < northrup> I got all excited
21:51 <@Corydon76-home> I'm using the HTML-like syntax, so I can put a separate URL on each port on the switch
21:52 <@Corydon76-home> http://220.gig.abyt.es/network/
21:52 < GateKeeper> Title: Home Network (at 220.gig.abyt.es)
21:53 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, and CanViz has some customizations I put in place so that it works with a later version of GraphViz
21:57 <@wilpig> bedtime for me.  night all
21:57 <@Corydon76-home> Night
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22:18 <@Dagmar> There are times when I really hate Nashville.  This is one of them.
22:18 <@Dagmar> http://www.wsmv.com/story/23926889/man-breaks-in-to-masonic-lodge-in-front-of-witnesses
22:18 < GateKeeper> Title: Man breaks into W. Nashville Masonic Lodge in front of witnesses - WSMV Channel 4 (at www.wsmv.com)
22:18 <@Dagmar> I saw that it said "2:30"
22:18 <@Dagmar> In second reading, that motherfucker did that in the middle of the goddamn afternoon
22:23 <@Dagmar> Corydon: http://www.businessweek.com/videos/2013-11-11/man-marries-tree-in-buenos-aires-dot-yes-a-tree
22:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Man Marries Tree in Buenos Aires...Yes, a Tree! - Businessweek (at www.businessweek.com)
22:31 <@oddball> Dagmar: damn
22:34 <@Dagmar> First WoD quest revealed: http://i.imgur.com/pHNbEZa.jpg
22:35 <@Dagmar> I was kinda wondering
22:39 <@Dagmar> oddball: That could easily be Depp screwing around with a fake nose
22:39 <@Dagmar> It looks like he tried to *french* the tree
22:39 <@Dagmar> wtf
22:40 <@oddball> Oh, I was refering to the break in in the middle of the day.
22:40 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm pretty sure he was high
22:41 <@Dagmar> The reason I find it annoying is that if it were in the middle of the night, it would be the perfect place to torment some smurfs
22:41 <@Dagmar> One little tell on the comms that I'm dropping 250 L8 bursters off there for someone at 1am
22:41 <@oddball> Yeah... especially considering that there's not a whole lot of value in one of those lodges.  They're little more than meeting halls.
22:45 <@SuMo_D> crap crap crap... supposed to speak to the rotary club tomorrow to get monies for the kiddos... and Rotary using the matrix.print function doesn't fit on the board and it'll take forever to do by hand this late... uhg
22:45 <@SuMo_D> oh well kind of just want to make it say Rot club... I'm not even sure what the rotary club is, I don't remember one in Vegas
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23:04 < RangerZ> rotary club is a nationwide group
23:04 < RangerZ> its http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotary_International
23:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Rotary International - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
23:05 < RangerZ> sorta like Masons, but less baggage
23:07 < RangerZ> secular service group, world wide
23:07 < RangerZ> I've debated joining myself once I get out of school, etc
23:09 <@SuMo_D> well hope they like us and fund our program
23:09 <@SuMo_D> think i figured out a fix
23:19 < RangerZ> aestetix: STOP
23:19 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ekwqa8FmP9w
23:19 < GateKeeper> Title: Mens Rights Activist: Its OK to Not Care About Female Rape Victims - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:19 < RangerZ> its not nice to troll people by making them think you are really saying things like this
23:20 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: you 3D printing?
23:20 < RangerZ> if so, make the gear
23:20 < RangerZ> http://elcerritorotary.org/ec-wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/wh-286-rgb.jpg
23:31 < RangerZ> aestetix: you're going to LOVE the discussion about youtube comments, and google+ integration
23:31 < RangerZ> if you haven't been keeping up with that, you should,
23:31 < RangerZ> requires "real name"
23:32 < RangerZ> but we now have like 1000 JChrists, Ahitlers, BObama, etc
23:41 <@SuMo_D> RangerZ you obviously don't know about 3D printing if you think I'm going to do that by tomorrow
23:41 < RangerZ> sure you will
23:42 < RangerZ> you have one of the 100,000$ 3D printers right?
23:42 < RangerZ> the motorola van had 2 of them in it, can't you atleast have ONE in your van?
23:42 < RangerZ> geeze
23:42 < RangerZ> LOL
23:44 < RangerZ> but i figured you'd be able to print one overnight if you wanted
23:45 < RangerZ> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:96932
23:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Logomarca Rotary Club International by alexsandronl - Thingiverse (at www.thingiverse.com)
23:46 <@SuMo_D> refer to previous statement
23:46 < RangerZ> what? then why bother?
23:46 < RangerZ> if you can't print a gear in 12 hours, then obviously it isn't worth using
23:47 < RangerZ> I'm not being an ass or trolling, but seriously, if it takes that long, then there are issues with the process that need to be addressed
23:48 <@SuMo_D> the project we're presenting has nothing to do with 3D printing, the printer is downstairs not setup, as it traveled to a demo last week and ok its more doable with a thingiverse model but to model it and then get it done by tomorrow... and the things that can go wrong no
23:49 <@SuMo_D> even with the thing on thingiverse there are usually crappy models that need some fixing and yeah, its a process
23:49 < RangerZ> :/
23:49 < RangerZ> thats a major issue
23:49 < RangerZ> hold on
23:50 < RangerZ> http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Global_Village_Construction_Set
23:50 < GateKeeper> Title: Global Village Construction Set - Open Source Ecology (at opensourceecology.org)
23:50 < RangerZ> ISIS is partnered with open source ecology
23:51 < RangerZ> and we're working on 'fixing' a lot of the problems with 3D printing (well not 'just' printing)
23:51 < RangerZ> but adding in sensors into equipment, so that they can auto-adjust themselves and account for 'wiggle'
23:51 < RangerZ> which it sounds like is a big issue with 3d printing, etc
23:52 <@SuMo_D> cool
23:52 <@aestetix> RangerZ: what did I do now
23:52 < RangerZ> i was just saying you should look into youtube/g+"gate" going on now
23:52 <@aestetix> oh
23:52 <@aestetix> I've seen a few threads. Is there any specific thing I should look at?
23:52 < RangerZ> some of the biggest youtubers are turning off comments on all their videos started tomorrow
23:52 < RangerZ> hold on
23:53 < RangerZ> https://twitter.com/Totalbiscuit/status/305814285244837888
23:53 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / Totalbiscuit: I have disabled the ability ... (at twitter.com)
23:53 < RangerZ> https://twitter.com/notch/status/138715927746314240
23:53 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / notch: Wow. Hate, insults and threats ... (at twitter.com)
23:53 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQjocZXHOg4
23:53 < GateKeeper> Title: PLEASE Fix Youtube and Google+ - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:53 <@aestetix> is that the video of the girl crying?
23:54 < RangerZ> nope
23:54 <@aestetix> ohhhh this is gold
23:54 < RangerZ> real links
23:54 <@aestetix> no there is a girl crying because she merged her google and youtube accounts and it deleted all her videos
23:55 < RangerZ> yeah, i can't even comment
23:55 < RangerZ> or 'warn' about comments
23:55 < RangerZ> i get 401 errors on popups
23:55 < RangerZ> i can't even "give feedback" because it does the same
23:59 <@aestetix> youtube comments are now g+ posts?
23:59 <@aestetix> jesus that is colossally stupid
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