--- Log opened Wed Nov 06 00:00:13 2013
03:10 <@aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/lVTX8Cz.gif nsfw
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04:28 < RangerZ> wilpig: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ezku75v6LU here is more on that the anal probe story
04:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Multiple Anal Probes, Forced Defecation For Stop Sign Violation - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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05:27 < RangerZ1> https://www.humblebundle.com/ new bundle
05:27 < GateKeeper> Title: Humble WB Games Bundle (pay what you want and help charity) (at www.humblebundle.com)
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07:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:20 <@Dolemite> I find it fitting that the word for election of governor is pronounced with "Goober" as the root of the word.
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07:30  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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08:06 <@wilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8H4X5wirwTw#t=1015
08:06 < GateKeeper> Title: New Song + New Video Webcast - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
08:07 <@wilpig> ^ ended up watching that video a few times last night and saw new shit in it each time.  
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08:19 <@wilpig> Dolemite: default snmp community.  general tab... beneath default panel voltage?  or reporting tab... above the snmpget/walk/cut ?
08:20 <@Dolemite> with the snmpget/walk/cut
08:20 <@wilpig> that's wher eI was leaning at first.  might need to shuffle some of this stuff around at somepoint
08:25 <@wilpig> I'll try to get the aging report straightened out today
08:25 <@wilpig> We have a tour here today around 11 though
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08:26 <@wilpig> aging report is definitely supposed to be manufacture date right?  should I clone that after it's been fixed and make one for install date as well?
08:28 <@Dolemite> It's Manufacture Date unless that's set to epoch, in which case you use Install Date if it's not also set to epoch
08:29 <@Dolemite> I am going through documentation/tutorials on JasperReports - an open source alternative to Crystal Reports
08:30 <@Dolemite> trying to see if it makes sense to just supply people with the report definitions
08:31 <@Dolemite> The more I delve into it, though, I'm not so sure - if you want to generate reports via the webserver, you have to run Tomcat
08:31 <@Dolemite> I'm sure as hell not interested in the support questions that would come along with that
08:38 <@wilpig> oh god now
08:38 <@wilpig> no
08:41 <@Dolemite> But I may still provide some templates as examples of reporting, and see if the community will contribute templates back
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08:50 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: if Joel McHale is part of that community, i'd participate
08:54 <@Dolemite> and who the hell is that?
09:00 <@Shadow404> https://www.google.com/#q=community+cast
09:00 < GateKeeper> Title: Google (at www.google.com)
09:00 <@Shadow404> ever watch "The Soup" on E! channel?
09:03 <@Dolemite> No, I don't have a vagina
09:04 <@Shadow404> heh...
09:04  * Shadow404 shakes head and rolls eyes
09:04 <@aestetix> You should get one
09:05 <@Shadow404> dude, i wouldnt mind one, other than the hormones that drive them crazy etc
09:05 <@Shadow404> or the other annoying things
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09:18 <@wilpig> Shadow404: 39 more goo til the witch
09:22 <@wilpig> points should be awarded here for creativity.  http://blog.sucuri.net/2013/11/google-bots-doing-sql-injection-attacks.html
09:27 <@Shadow404> screw you
09:27 <@Shadow404> i sorta gave up for a few too many days and lost my chance of getting enough
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09:29 <@wilpig> it is a pain in the ass
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09:42 <@wilpig> comcast is supposedly disconnected now
09:45 <@Shadow404> yeah, took them a month to sort out the old location and finally close that in their system
09:45 <@Shadow404> and to straighten mine out
09:46 <@wilpig> how the fuck did a scooter get up here?
09:48 <@wilpig> I feel like some type of hipster.  riding a scooter in the halls with a laptop
09:48 <@Shadow404> yeah, you dont usually have that in your office
09:49 <@Shadow404> we have scooter races all the time
09:49 <@Shadow404> only helmets are mandatory after that one accident
09:49 <@wilpig> the scooters are usually down in staging or the computerroom  not up in the office
09:59 <@Shadow404> yeah, we keep two of them plugged in near the break room
10:00 <@Shadow404> there like kiddie size, but still fun to ride, its like a kid on a 50cc motorbike
10:00 <@Shadow404> *er adult on a 50cc motorbike
10:01 <@aestetix> wiggle
10:08 <@wilpig> moist
10:22 <@Corydon76-home> Uh, when the last full sentence is something about kiddie size, a response of "moist" is just wrong...
10:24 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IPlkYAIx9iE
10:24 < GateKeeper> Title: Crack Smoking Toronto Mayor Rob Ford Finally Admits It - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
10:32 <@aestetix> you know
10:33 <@aestetix> If he had just said "yep I smoked crack, fuck off"
10:33 <@aestetix> he'd be in such better shape
10:35 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I think he genuinely doesn't remember doing it, which says a lot about how bad his alcoholism is
10:36 <@aestetix> yep
10:36 <@aestetix> Honestly...
10:37 <@aestetix> I'm just thinking, if I were a bad guy and wanted him to do something for me, I could just taunt him with alcohol, or even slip some into his tea or something
10:37 <@aestetix> IE there is a reason we have things like rehab
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10:44 < Synx|hm> wtf is going on here, im still having this hammockforums.net issue on my ISP connection
10:45 < Synx|hm> i can openssl s_client -connect from both my ISP and a VPN and i get connected, but from my ISP i get an closed socket as soon as i do GET /... and from the VPN i get a response
10:45 < Synx|hm> WTF
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10:48 <@wilpig> MitM
10:48 < Synx|hm> the certs are identical
10:48 < Synx|hm> that was my thought too
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10:48 <@wilpig> Their proxy is braking?
10:48 <@wilpig> breaking*
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10:49 < Synx|hm> i think the fucking NSA/FBI/who ever is targeting me
10:50 < Synx|hm> there wouldn't be a proxy if this is a ssl connection and the certs are identical right?
10:51 <@wilpig> hehe.  everytime I hear it I laugh. "wanna look good in plaid?  GROW A BEARD!"
10:52 < Synx|hm> so... GET / returns a closed socket on my ISP and GET / returns the website on my VPN
10:54 < Synx|hm> wtfbbq
10:56 < Synx|hm> going to switch my WAN ip to a different class 8 block from the ISP and see if these forums fuckers are blocking my subnet
10:56 < Synx|hm> class a
10:56 <@psyiode> was going to say maybe they are blocking your ip range
10:57 < Synx|hm> ya brb
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10:58 <@wilpig> I block your subnet
10:58 <@wilpig> Dolemite: what else needs to be finished for 3.1?
10:59 <@wilpig> anything pressing?
10:59 <@Dolemite> I think it's ready
10:59 <@wilpig> do a test install then.  
10:59 <@wilpig> see if the people on the list will test it.  fuckers.
10:59 <@Dolemite> yeah, I need to tag and test install tonight
10:59 <@Dolemite> they won't
11:00 <@Dolemite> they'll wait until the release and then start finding bugs
11:00 <@wilpig> I'm sure i've introduced a few.  I usually do
11:02 <@Shadow404> you are a bug
11:02 <@Shadow404> and dont question, that statement makes complete enough sense
11:04 <@aestetix> ok
11:04 <@aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/r1oVA4A.png
11:04 <@aestetix> that guy wins the internet
11:05 <@Shadow404> thats awesome, i so want to do that some time
11:07 <@aestetix> ESpecially if he gets interviewed
11:07 <@aestetix> "So, Mr. Mehoff..."
11:10 <@Shadow404> "Please, call me Jack"
11:17 < RangerZ> wilpig: Dagmar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxKOGPSnjbQ
11:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Nintendo 3DS News - Defunct Letterbox Service Allegedly Used By Child Predators - Info - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:20 <@Shadow404> i knew it....you sadden me
11:23 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: one suggestion of release management is that the final release candidate is simply retitled as the release with no changes.
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11:52 < Synx|hm> its pfsense
11:52 < Synx|hm> i dont know how or why but its pfsense filtering or closing down my ssl connection some how
11:52 < Synx|hm> or possibly NAT
11:57 <@Corydon76-home> Synx|hm: I've found that sometimes due to a misconfiguration of the type of filters used in the firewall, it persists connection memory longer than the connections themselves, and the memory becomes clogged with those dynamic connections.  If that's the issue, simply restarting pfsense should resolve the issue, at least temporarily
11:58 <@Corydon76-home> If that's the issue, then you might try limiting the number of dynamic connections permitted for any particular remote IP address
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11:59 < Synx|hm_> .
11:59 < Synx|hm_> .
11:59 < Synx|hm_> .
11:59 < Synx|hm_> rebooted
11:59 < Synx|hm_> nogo
11:59 < Synx|hm_> wtf is going on here
12:00 <@Corydon76-home> Turn on firewall debugging and see what the messages are when the packets are dropped
12:00 <@Corydon76-home> and/or sent a RESET packet
12:01 <@Corydon76-home> Might be able to do that already... just grab the output of dmesg
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12:03 < Synx|hm_> you lost me
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> If your connection is immediately closed, then the TCP connection gets a tcp reset packet
12:04 <@Corydon76-home> If it times out, then your packets were simply dropped
12:05 < Synx|hm_> i see
12:05 < Synx|hm_> so likely a reset
12:05 <@Corydon76-home> You need to understand what rule in the firewall is causing the issue, so you can track down the error in logic
12:05 < Synx|hm_> the thing is there shouldn't be a rule
12:05 <@Corydon76-home> If there were no rules, your NAT wouldn't work
12:05 < Synx|hm_> from my vlan i have * !private allow
12:06 < Synx|hm_> so its an allow all
12:06 < Synx|hm_> our the wan via NAT
12:06 < Synx|hm_> s/our/out
12:06 <@Corydon76-home> That's not an allow all.  That allows everything not coming from a private address
12:06 < Synx|hm_> thats backwards sorry
12:06 < Synx|hm_> actually for testing right now i have * *
12:07 < Synx|hm_> so all, but normally its allow all out the wan thats not a private destination
12:07 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, but if the problem is INCOMING connections, then it's the opposite direction you're worried about
12:08 < Synx|hm_> right but i should never have to filter on incoming unless im port forwarding in
12:08 < Synx|hm_> the first part of the connection is made outbound so pfsense shoudl remember the states
12:09 < Synx|hm_> i should also not everything works but this one damn website
12:09 <@Corydon76-home> Try that again, rephrased in English.
12:10 < Synx|hm_> haha
12:10 < Synx|hm_> sorry man its been a long day and its only 11am
12:10 < Synx|hm_> ok...
12:11 < Synx|hm_> Currently i have a LAN vlan rule in place that allows all traffic out of the LAN, i also have a NAT rule in place to NAT all LAN subnet traffic out the WAN
12:11 < Synx|hm_> i can get to all my normal places, ssl ssh vpn etc
12:12 <@Corydon76-home> Ah...
12:12 < Synx|hm_> however this one fucking website resets (i assume?) the connection when i send a GET / request, i do get a response however when i do GET index.htm
12:12 < Synx|hm_> if i connected directly to the cable modem it works
12:12 <@Corydon76-home> Check your routes from both your VPN endpoint to the problem website, as well as from your home.
12:12 < Synx|hm_> and this is device independant
12:12 < Synx|hm_> from VPN i traverse level3 networks
12:12 < Synx|hm_> from ISP i go direct, but i can ping and get an active SSL socket open on either
12:13 < Synx|hm_> the key diff here is, from ISP if i do GET / on SSL i get dropped (so my webbrowser gets a blank page but doesn't show up like timeout) from VPN i get a correct response
12:13 < Synx|hm_> from ISP if i do GET /index.htm i get a normal 404 its so odd
12:14 < Synx|hm_> if i take pfsense out of the loop on ISP (so modem direct to laptop) it works fine
12:14 <@Corydon76-home> Can you tell from what IP address the reset is occurring?
12:14 < Synx|hm_> the reset was just a guess, but let me see if i can get a trace
12:15 <@Corydon76-home> Depending upon how the remote site is configured, they might have an SSL frontend that then subdivides the request to multiple backend servers, and one of those servers, to which your home IP is getting mapped is rejecting your connection
12:16 < Synx|hm_> like blocking my home wan subnet? but then i would expect the same behavior when i direct connect to my modem
12:16 <@Corydon76-home> Could be getting something as simple as an ICMP UNREACH
12:16 < Synx|hm_> i have a wireshark trace from the WAN on pfsense
12:16 < Synx|hm_> i connect on port 80 get a http 302 found redirecting to ssl
12:17 <@Corydon76-home> Well, that's misconfigured right there.  Should be a 301.
12:17 <@Corydon76-home> but anyway
12:18 < Synx|hm_> establish the ssl, then i obviously cant see whats in there and lastly i send an ACK and thats it
12:20 < Synx|hm_> odd im sending an ACK on both 443 and 80 at the end
12:20 < Synx|hm_> not sure i would expect that
12:20 <@Corydon76-home> It's part of the 3-part tcp handshake
12:22 < Synx|hm_> man i wish i could see whats in that ssl, its likely that pfsense if dropping the data
12:23 <@Corydon76-home> You can.  Just run openssl s_client
12:24 < Synx|hm_> right
12:24 < Synx|hm_> let me try that from pfsense then
12:24 < Synx|hm_> ive done that from my local machine
12:24 < Synx|hm_> thats how i saw the diff
12:24 <@Corydon76-home> I think there's an option for that which shows you the SSL handshake
12:24 < Synx|hm_> it shows you the certs by default
12:25 < Synx|hm_> so from the pfsense console i get the same results
12:25 < Synx|hm_> GET / results in a closed connection
12:26 < Synx|hm_> and GET /index.htm results in a normal 404
12:26 < Synx|hm_> wish i could bind openssl s_client to an interface
12:28 <@Corydon76-home> I'd suggest running a tcpdump in parallel, then
12:29 < Synx|hm_> i dont follow
12:29 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, you know what?  Change your "GET /" to a "GET / HTTP/1.1\nHost: www.websitename.com\n\n"
12:30 < Synx|hm_> i was thinking the same thing, vhosts
12:30 < Synx|hm_> let me try that
12:31 <@Corydon76-home> bbiab
12:31 < Synx|hm_> HTTP/1.1 200 OK
12:31 < Synx|hm_> Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2013 17:31:28 GMT
12:31 < Synx|hm_> Server: Apache/2.2.22 (Unix) mod_ssl/2.2.22 OpenSSL/0.9.8e-fips-rhel5 mod_bwlimited/1.4
12:31 < Synx|hm_> Content-Length: 0
12:32 < Synx|hm_> Content-Type: text/html
12:32 < Synx|hm_> then closed
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12:40 <@aestetix> ugh
12:40 <@aestetix> I hate bossy little know it all kids who come in and start telling you how things are not set up properly
12:40 <@aestetix> "yes, I realize this thing is duct-taped together, but it works, so I generally don't give a shit"
12:43 <@aestetix> the bay are seems to be full of rockstars who know how to do things "right"
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12:55 <@Shadow404> aestetix: we've got the pentagons top cryptologists working 24/7 trying to figure out what the fuck you just said.
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13:03 <@aestetix> hahaha
13:15 < v4mp> respect for them lost at "rockstars"
13:15 < v4mp> [sic]
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13:44 <@aestetix> v4mp|2: what's worse is rockstars who have drunk the kool-aid and think they are changing the world
13:45 <@aestetix> I'm normally like "have you MET the world?"
13:50 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: I generally let them "fix" it, then discover that the vendor interface is broken, and their fix actually broke the system
13:50 <@aestetix> heh
13:51 <@aestetix> That's what I'm dealing with right now. I'm working with software that is.... less than ideal. WAs getting yelled at for not getting it working fast enough.
13:51 <@Corydon76-home> It's always worth it to show people that their belief in doing things right isn't shared by the software vendor, and we prefer things that work, as opposed to being right.
13:51 < Synx|hm_> Corydon76-home: i've given up, im going to do a fresh install to 2.1 later and apply my backup config to see if that resolves the issue, i need to up the hd space on the VM too anyways
13:51 <@aestetix> So I sat back, let the guy jump in, and then "what the hell?"
13:52 <@Corydon76-home> Exactly.
13:52 <@aestetix> Which either results in them shutting up, or them going on an ego trip and wasting the next day or two trying to prove themselves.
13:52 <@aestetix> Either way, it means I don't have to deal with them.
13:53 <@Corydon76-home> It's even better when the boss storms in, wanting to know why the system it broken
13:54 <@Corydon76-home> "This is why we test our changes."
13:54 <@aestetix> Yep!
13:57 <@aestetix> It turns out things like deadlines and boundaries are useful.
13:57 <@aestetix> "No, I'm not going to deal with that task, I'm working on this other thing."
13:59 <@wilpig> mmmm tumblr trim
14:00 <@Corydon76-home> Fun thing is that our system is broken right now, due to a vendor-provided upgrade, and we have no ETA on when they're going to fix it
14:00 <@aestetix> hahaha
14:00 <@aestetix> I got a little heat the other day because some of our software is out of date.
14:01 <@aestetix> I'm like "ok, you wanna test out all the new versions and let me know if we can update?"
14:02 <@aestetix> There's a reason "bleeding" is in "bleeding edge." And I really dont' want to deal with cleaning up that mess.
14:03 <@wilpig> fyi because of mavericks juniper is having the same issue as cisco.  http://kb.juniper.net/InfoCenter/index?page=content&id=KB28278
14:03 < GateKeeper> Title: Juniper Networks - Support for OS X Mavericks (OS X v10.9) and Safari 7 as a client operating system and client browser - Knowledge Base (at kb.juniper.net)
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14:05 <@Dagmar> I would like to know what these people are smoking: http://nashville.craigslist.org/mcy/4140426044.html
14:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Genunie Stella Scooter MINT condition and Scooter Carrier (at nashville.craigslist.org)
14:05 <@Dagmar> "This is a 4 speed, 2 stroke, 150cc scooter."
14:05 < frsilent> aestetix: lol at people wanting to port code to a newer version which has nooo unit testing
14:06 < frsilent> my old boss added a ton of features to django .96 & as you can imagine since then it's grown into an untameable beast of messiness
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14:06 < frsilent> lovingly titled "Django -.04 Gay Unicorn"
14:08 <@wilpig> lol
14:08 <@wilpig> oooo du hast just came on the radio in the middle of this data center tour
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14:12 <@Dagmar> Well, at least it wasn't a Justin Beiber song
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14:14 <@Shadow404> what a horrible waste of time that fire drill was
14:15 <@Shadow404> wilpig: du hast niche
14:16 <@wilpig> Dagmar: I would bust out laughing if let the bodies hit the floor came on
14:16 <@wilpig> not that they would be able to hear me in here anyhow
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14:20 <@Mirage> Shadow404: did they have ice cream?
14:20 <@Dagmar> I'm tempted to print up a bogus resignation letter today and just it around.
14:20 <@Dagmar> "I quit.  Fuck you people.  Sincerely," and just leave it blank
14:21 <@Dagmar> s/just it/just leave it lying/
14:21 <@aestetix> Dagmar: alternatively, you could hand in a resignation letter on someone else's behalf
14:21 <@aestetix> Especially if there's someone you don't like.
14:22 <@Dagmar> Oh now that's a GOOD idea
14:23 <@Dagmar> Ther'es nothing protecting these printers from random TCP LPR connections
14:23 <@Mirage> Be a damn shame if something like that was sent from a valid mail routing server as that user.
14:23 <@wilpig> lol
14:23 <@wilpig> i approve
14:24 <@Mirage> Dagmar: how was the meeting w/ Kyle, btw?
14:29 <@Dagmar> It got rescheduled to Thursday because I forgot about the team meeting at 2pm yesterday
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14:37 <@Dagmar> I'm sort of tempted to just call in sick tomorrow
14:37 <@Dagmar> It's not like I'm going to be asked to do anything of importance
14:43 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I need the camwhore tip jar wav file
14:43 <@Dagmar> I know you know someone who has it
14:43 <@Dagmar> I'm going to start using it as my SMS notification sound
14:43 <@Dagmar> ...just to see who reacts.
14:46 <@wilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/kb5uhrswwg486mm/20131106_142721.jpg
14:46 < GateKeeper> Title: Dropbox - 20131106_142721.jpg (at www.dropbox.com)
14:46 <@wilpig> Tour group wanted to see what it was like under the floor... 
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15:04 <@Shadow404> Mirage: no, i feel jipped too
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15:25 <@wilpig> Shadow404: you sack of shit.  playing games at work like that
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15:30 <@Shadow404> what the fuck?
15:30 <@Shadow404> which games?
15:30 <@wilpig> any game
15:30 <@wilpig> I saw you pop up on steam
15:30 <@Shadow404> heh, thats crazy, so gf calls me
15:30 < Synx|hm_> wait so you are on steam too at work?
15:31 <@Shadow404> and shes like, are you at home?
15:31 <@wilpig> apparently it's running in the background
15:31 <@Shadow404> im like no, but i was connected remotely
15:31 <@Shadow404> so apparently my comptuer speakers were on, so i muted that
15:31 <@Shadow404> but ksp wont run over the remote video driver so boo
15:32 <@Shadow404> i freaked her out cause she could here my computer doing stuff when i wasnt home
15:33 <@Shadow404> wilpig: now if you had said ksp, i would of been really freaked out like you were on that call listning in or something
15:33 <@Shadow404> until i realized it was steam that gave me away
15:34 < RangerZ> lol
15:36 <@wilpig> watching brickleberry now
15:37 <@Dagmar> Damnit
15:37 <@wilpig> you can watch too
15:37 <@wilpig> plex.wilpig.org
15:37 <@Dagmar> They're asking me how to bypass hte bloody streaming modules on the flash server
15:37 <@wilpig> you have a login
15:39 < dc0de> wilpig: what's the login?
15:39 <@wilpig> i'd have to send you one
15:39 <@wilpig> it's done through plex
15:39 < dc0de> w00t.
15:41 <@Shadow404> same login that i use?
15:41 <@wilpig> i'd have had to send you a plex invite.  I can send you one, I just need your email
15:42 <@Shadow404> jack@mehoff.cz
15:42 <@wilpig> an actual email
15:42 <@wilpig> :P
15:43 < dc0de> wilpig: dc0de@gmx.com
15:43 <@wilpig> sent
15:43 < dc0de> ty.
15:43 <@wilpig> after you get the account setup.  just goto plex.wilpig.org 
15:44 <@wilpig> you already had a plex account, dc0de ?
15:44 < dc0de> yeah
15:44 < dc0de> just use that I assume?
15:45 < dc0de> says I don't have access to this media server... :(
15:45 <@wilpig> refresh
15:45 <@wilpig> you may have to accept the invite
15:46 <@wilpig> dc0de
15:46 <@wilpig> Sharing all sections (edit) 
15:46 <@wilpig> Pending invitation sent
15:49 < dc0de> stupid email confirmation systems.
15:50 <@wilpig> agreed
15:51 < dc0de> nice, thanks wilpig... I need to get my plex server opened up...
15:52 < dc0de> when I have some "down time".
15:53 <@wilpig> anytime
15:53 <@wilpig> I find it handy when i'm here at work
15:58 < Synx|hm_> wilpig: you running that plex server on a linux box?
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15:59 <@wilpig> theyes
15:59 <@wilpig> yes*
16:00 <@Shadow404> cool, gonna have to try this on my google tv
16:00 <@wilpig> sry.  multiple windows open right now doing a few things at once
16:00 < Synx|hm> you noticed very high cpu load while it scans?
16:00 <@wilpig> not a great deal but that thing took over two weeks to fully scan
16:00 < Synx|hm> i hardely ever use mine but it will randomly bring my linux box down to its knees
16:01 <@wilpig> and I think it is still doing stuff cause the other night it filled my /var mount after the meta data had reached over 50gb
16:01 <@Shadow404> does it make sure to remind it whos in charge, call it a bitch and spit on it?
16:02 < Synx|hm> damn it i need a fucking good sewing machine and the few on craigs list are people who want way too much
16:04 <@Corydon76-home> Synx|hm: what do you need a good one for?
16:05 <@Corydon76-home> I think I paid $50 for my piece of shit sewing machine, and it's lasted for over 10 years
16:05 <@Corydon76-home> and that was new
16:05 < Synx|hm> well i want something with straight and zig stitch and that will go through thick marterial like webbing
16:05 < Synx|hm> ya im not looking to spend much over $50
16:05 < Synx|hm> i want to start making hammocks and possibly my own backpacks
16:06 <@Corydon76-home> Webbing isn't thick material
16:06 < Synx|hm> tripple folded webbing?
16:06 < Synx|hm> i duno i've never sewning before in my life except a bean bag by hand 20years ago
16:06 <@Corydon76-home> Thick material is something like leather
16:07 < Synx|hm> im just fucking obsessed
16:07 < Synx|hm> leather would be nice but i dont if id ever progress to that
16:07 <@Corydon76-home> You can do all of that with a cheap sewing machine
16:07 <@Corydon76-home> The thick material just requires that you get a thicker needle
16:07 < Synx|hm> true, i should say i am not looking for the rolls royce of sewing machines
16:07 <@Corydon76-home> (so it doesn't break)
16:08 < Synx|hm> just something older with metal gears etc
16:08 <@Corydon76-home> So get a model made by Brother... that's what mine is
16:08 < Synx|hm> oh like a new one?
16:08 < Synx|hm> i had not thought of that
16:08 <@Corydon76-home> Most of them don't run with gear, but with belts
16:09 <@Corydon76-home> The reason is, if a gear breaks, it's a pretty major and costly repair, but a belt is easy to remove and replace
16:09 < Synx|hm> good point
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16:10 < Synx|hm> i will also need something that i can put a walking foot on
16:10 < Synx|hm> for sewing silnilon
16:10 < Synx|hm> nylon
16:10 <@Corydon76-home> I think the Brother models support that, as well
16:10 <@wilpig> or you could just buy a hammock and be done with it
16:10 < Synx|hm> i need to add a pullout to my tent too for a gear loft
16:11 < Synx|hm> fuck that i want to get into making my own gear, as the end goal will be to make myself a bag ala Tom Bihn Aeronuat but way way cheaper
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16:11 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: none of the fabrics he's seen are stylish enough for his husband
16:11 < Synx|hm> haha
16:12 < Synx|hm> seriously i have a problem, i get stuff like this into my head and obsesses about it for months and buy some random shit and then it never goes anywhere
16:12 <@Shadow404> i think alot of us do that
16:12 <@Corydon76-home> You want a project?  Learn to tile the floor of your kitchen.
16:12 <@Shadow404> took me a year to finish/start a project i had links for in my inbox that long
16:12 <@Corydon76-home> Or your bathroom
16:13 < Synx|hm> ya i did finish carpentery (sp?) for a year and a half
16:13 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-home: wnna learn by doing the upstairs of my house with wood floring?
16:13 <@Shadow404> ill buy materials
16:13 <@Corydon76-home> Shadow404: I was about to ask you the same thing
16:13 < Synx|hm> well i apprentanced (sp?) but i learned a ton
16:13 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-home: you doing the work, me buying materials?
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> I'll buy the materials for my own house, you can do the work
16:14 <@Corydon76-home> Preferably wearing nothing but a jock strap
16:14 <@Shadow404> yeah....gonna pass on that
16:15 <@Shadow404> now, i may get the gf to dress up for me while she helps do the flooring though
16:15 <@Corydon76-home> You sure?  You could pretend you're the dungeon master while doing it
16:15 <@Shadow404> Corydon76-home: again.....pass
16:16 <@Corydon76-home> Uh-oh.  A horny troll just appeared behind you, while you're on your hands and knees...
16:16 < dc0de> you see a Grue
16:17 <@Corydon76-home> Your spell has no effect.
16:17 < Synx|hm> btw, my wife is not pleased that i am obsessed with sewing this month
16:17 < Synx|hm> i was all excited the other night that i could make our 3month old son a pair of pajamas
16:17 < Synx|hm> she gave me a nasty look :(
16:18 <@Corydon76-home> Synx|hm: he'll outgrow them before you're finished sewing them
16:18 < Synx|hm> haha ya thats likely
16:18 <@Corydon76-home> Might as well plan to make the 2T jumper first
16:18 < Synx|hm> i am also obsessed with PFV rc planes this month
16:18 < Synx|hm> wtf is the T in those sizes btw?
16:18 < Synx|hm> toddler?
16:19 < Synx|hm> this baby clothing shit is cosmic to me
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> Basically, the size of the average 2 year old
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> Sizes go up to 4T
16:19 <@Shadow404> meh, i say sell it to china....make profit, not wory about baby clothes
16:19 < Synx|hm> then why the fuck not call it 2yr
16:19 <@Corydon76-home> I didn't invent the system
16:19 < Synx|hm> right... sorry
16:20 <@Corydon76-home> For that matter, why is a boys size 16 essentially the same as a men's size 32?
16:20 < Synx|hm> thats odd
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> I know the essence of it, though I don't know why it's that way
16:21 <@Shadow404> have you seen how eccentric clothes designers are, you think the had a real reason or planned the sizing system to make any sense?
16:21 <@Corydon76-home> Size 16 is the size of the average 16yo, while 32 is a measurement of the waist in inches
16:23 <@Corydon76-home> Oh, and the average thing isn't really an average, just some system that someone once came up with, probably for a very specific kid.
16:24 <@Corydon76-home> What's funnier is that the cheap lines have stopped using waist sizes for undergarments entirely and are now going with S-M-L-XL-2XL etc.
16:25 < Synx|hm> ya ha
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> and the measurements don't entirely agree between manufacturers, either
16:25 < Synx|hm> i can never find fucking pants in my size :( 30-32 waist, but need really 33-34 inseam
16:25 < Synx|hm> i always end up with highwaters or stupid baggy pants ;(
16:25 <@Shadow404> dont even start
16:25 <@Corydon76-home> Have you considered shopping in the women's section?
16:26 <@Shadow404> do you have any idea how hard it is for a 6'7" person to find clothes?
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> My husband does that quite a lot
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> Shadow404: big & tall section
16:26 < Synx|hm> hrm not a bad idea
16:26 <@Shadow404> yeah, if you wanna pay double
16:26 <@Corydon76-home> Shadow404: well, sure, economics of scale
16:27 <@Shadow404> just because its one size larger porportional and and they put a t on the end of it
16:27 <@Corydon76-home> Ain't enough of you behemoths for them to make back on the designer's fee across large quantities
16:27 <@Shadow404> screw short people, no use for yall, except to clean underneath my sink
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> Short people are in the same boat
16:28 <@Corydon76-home> It's all of us in the middle range who are at the widest part of the bell curve
16:29 <@Corydon76-home> Ask a little person sometime how difficult it is to find pants at their waist size that aren't so long they need a foot cut off to be wearable
16:29 < Synx|hm> all of this is great reason for me to get a sewing machine too btw
16:30 <@Corydon76-home> Synx|hm: you aren't a behemoth or a little person, though
16:30 < Synx|hm> true but a little work here and there on shirts and pants would help
16:30 < Synx|hm> im a skinny bastard
16:30 <@Corydon76-home> Synx|hm: have some more ribs, potatoes, and cheesecake
16:31 <@Corydon76-home> Shadow404 could probably use that sewing machine, though, and make clothes that fit him
16:32 <@Shadow404> yeah, i have a few projects that need a sewing machine actually
16:34 <@Corydon76-home> Actually, Shadow, if finding clothes is too difficult, you can always come be my houseboi and work in the nude...
16:34 < Synx|hm> haha
16:34 <@Corydon76-home> Problem solved!
16:34 <@Dickie> hello
16:35 <@Corydon76-home> Hey, Dickie
16:35 <@Dickie> o/
16:39 <@Shadow404> problem still exist, i aint coming over there to do anything that involves removing clothes of any sort
16:43 <@Corydon76-home> I doubt you're coming over here, period.
16:43 <@Shadow404> thats fine too
16:44 <@Corydon76-home> You do realize the most offensive thing in this household is probably the cock-shaped cake pan, right?  There's nothing remotely explicit otherwise
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16:59 <@wilpig> Corydon76-home: so you're saying you never take your pants off at home?  
17:00 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: I never walk around naked.
17:00 <@wilpig> I do.  but my house, my rules.
17:00 <@wilpig> then again I live alone too
17:00 <@Corydon76-home> I have a bathrobe for that
17:00 <@wilpig> hat reminds me I need to get a rug for the bathroom.  that tile was a little chilly on my feet after I got out of the shower this morning
17:01 <@Corydon76-home> Now what may be scary is... think of all the times you've talked to me on IRC before noon.  Chances are, I was wearing nothing but a bathrobe at the time
17:01 <@wilpig> and even more scary all the times i've openly admitted on here I wasn't wearing a fuckin' thing
17:01 <@Dagmar> Goddamn selinux
17:02 <@wilpig> Dagmar: yes
17:02 <@wilpig> selinux=disabled  heh
17:02 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: as long as you don't leave tread marks on your office chair, no biggie
17:02 <@Dagmar> Well, when the knoblins updated the legato package on the servers, on many of them it reset _all_ the selinux contexts to their defaults
17:02 <@wilpig> I shower very well thank you
17:02 <@Dagmar> ...so the flash server hasn't been logging shit since the 15th
17:03 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm now trying to restore a log file from before the reset so I can see WTF contexts should be there
17:03 <@wilpig> knoblins?  is that a cross between a goblin and a knob?
17:03 <@Dagmar> Something like that
17:03 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig: so what you're saying is that you clean out your ass on a regular basis?
17:03 <@wilpig> I wash my ass daily, thanks
17:04 <@Corydon76-home> So what brand of enema do you prefer?
17:04 <@wilpig> I wash my ass, not flush my ass
17:06 <@Dagmar> Man the backup server is slow to restore things
17:46 <@Dagmar> So... apparently the consultant or Sean (I don't care which) managed to turn selinux on when they were updating the Legato pakcage
17:47 <@Dagmar> The sysconfig files say it should have been in permissive mode
17:47 <@Dagmar> !@#@!#~!#
17:47 <@Dagmar> I don't even know how it's been serving files to people through the Adobe binary
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18:21 < RangerZ> $15.30, to play AC4 black flag, all the way through, and like 80% complete, from redbox, instead of gamestops 30$ trade in value on a 66$ (after tax) game
18:21 < RangerZ> also, looks like gamefly has 3ds, ps3, vita games all on there too
18:59 <@aestetix> Somehow I just turned another channel's conversation topic to poop
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21:31 <@Dagmar> That reminds me I need to take Beyond back to RedBox tomorrow
21:32 <@Dagmar> That would have been a two-day rental were I not so absent-minded
21:32 <@Dagmar> $2/day
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