--- Log opened Wed Oct 16 00:00:55 2013
00:26 < SuMo_D> why does inkscape have to suck so much.... whhhhhhhhy
00:27 <@Dagmar> Inkscape is not the reason you can't draw
00:28 < SuMo_D> it has to open and not crash for me to even be able to try....
00:28 <@Dagmar> You're using what version?
00:29 <@Dagmar> I haven't had it crash on opening in a long, long time
00:29 < SuMo_D> most recent
00:29 < SuMo_D> I think its open now...
00:29 < SuMo_D> lets hope it lasts...
00:29 <@Dagmar> I'm finally almost done with work shit
00:29 < SuMo_D> I need it to power the eggbot for the kiddos in the morning, just doing a test run before trying to sleep
00:33 <@Dagmar> Joyful.
00:33 <@Dagmar> The last thing I am looking at is a ticket where I'm just going to contact the customer tomorrow and show them how they can do this themselves.
00:34 <@Dagmar> I do not see a point in setting up a redirection on our server just to bounce the connection back to theirs without changing the trailing part of the URL
00:34 <@Dagmar> Five bucks says they just don't know they can do this easily
00:37 <@Evilpig> I think i've figured out some canvas shit.  nearly.  but i'm tired and it's already 1
00:37 <@Evilpig> damn that 10am having to be to work tomorrow.  lol
00:38 < SuMo_D> Any better luck navigating the PATH yet?
00:38 <@Evilpig> won't have to do it again til friday
00:38 < SuMo_D> so... by at work... you mean awake by 10
00:39 <@Evilpig> no I mean at work by 10.  awake by 9. then shower and apparently thanks to i284 shitbirds 40 minutes of driving instead of 20
00:41 <@Evilpig> son of a bitch!  DAMN YOU JOSE YOU MOTHER FUCKER!
00:42 < SuMo_D> darg
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01:17 <@Dagmar> eryc: You might find this useful if you've not seen it already, by the way https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AvMnvlv4JzeKdGRVQlVHVUlRY2VoZGQtaFBGYW1HVlE&usp=sharing#gid=0
01:17 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Docs - Online documents, spreadsheets, presentations, surveys, file storage and more (at docs.google.com)
01:18 <@Dagmar> I'm going to have to play singleplayer some more so I can get some good pix of these cars so I can freaking spot them without going "That looks fancy, and if I steal it, the game will show me it's name in the corner of the screen."
01:19 <@Dagmar> Right now my approach is just to kick people out of their cars going, "Nope, this one's not valuable enough", getting out, going to the next one, yanking them out of the door... "Nope, still too cheap".
01:19 <@Dagmar> Somehow this seems more than unusually antisocial behaviour, even for GTAV
01:21 <@Dagmar> The only thing I can spot off the bat is the Vapid Sandking, which is basically a "big ass monster truck" and only spawns way over in Blaime
01:21 <@Dagmar> er Blaine
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01:36 <@eryc> ha
01:36 <@eryc> yea i'm terrible at spotting cars
01:51 <@eryc> thanks for that gdoc btw i'm going to print this out
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02:46 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNsf8pPzw8I
02:46 < GateKeeper> Title: Anonymous Targets Missouri Town Over Dropped Rape Charges | Another Steubenville? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:59 <@aestetix> vagina
03:23 < RangerZ> https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1384266_10100875780745552_484631291_n.jpg
03:23 < RangerZ> SFW would this be a troll move, or "S&M candies"
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04:07 <@aestetix> so
04:07 <@aestetix> does anyone in the south actually support this shutdown bullshit/?
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04:33 <@aestetix> http://imgur.com/a/wG0VK nsfw
04:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Cysts removed from ball sack - Imgur (at imgur.com)
04:59 < RangerZ> aestetix: only tea party people
06:28 <@Bahhumbug> s/tea party people/obstructionist assholes that should be hung by the neck until dead/
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07:26 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:29 < Shadow404> morning mooks
08:00 < heath> morning time
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08:05 < SuMo_D> I hate mornings....
08:09 < Shadow404> i hate leaving the house when its still dark, damn i need to work from home again SOOOOOON
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08:19 < Shadow404> the government contractor i was supposed to interview with postponed the hiring phase due to the shutdown so boo
08:23 < Shadow404> i find it interesting that cnn.com is running an exclusive ad for a new visa credit card when were about to hit the debt cieling
08:48 <@Bahhumbug> Mornings a good time to go to bed.
09:07 < Shadow404> Evilpig: haha, i just did something funny on tapped out
09:08 < Shadow404> so the freak show storyline, lisa goes to library to solve the mystery and mr burns had just finished his last mission and confess showed up as yellow and i just clicked it for shits and giggles as it was only 6sec long and lisa say somehting about looking up the answer on the internet
09:08 < Shadow404> so they finish the story line anyway, by leaving her at the library to fully research the mystery anyway
09:28 <@Dagmar> I AM GOING TO BRING SUFFERING TO THE WORLD TODAY
09:30 <@Dagmar> That jackass Dean Villette is calling the NOC wanting me to call him because he believes some certificate or other on his PHP code has expired somehow
09:31 <@Dagmar> Fuck.  No.
09:41 < frsilent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtP5Bv_mqzo
09:41 < GateKeeper> Title: This Is The End - Who Did This? Red Band Clip (HD) Seth Rogen, James Franco - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:41 < frsilent> has anyone seen it yet?
10:03 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: damnit.  I should be on that too but stupid game wasn't loading correctly yesterday and I didn't get to really get into that til this morning
10:05 <@Evilpig> ugh.  so last night I was working on that damn javascript.  I'm gonna have to buy a book on canvas and html5 to understand it better.  I really dislike how little I understand js
10:10 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Got my microcell working last night, too...   and kept wondering why I still had minimal service in the bedroom at the opposite end of the house.  Apparently my desk next to the window is just in range of the LTE tower, so the phone was preferring it to a 3G coming from the microcell.
10:11 <@Evilpig> lol
10:12 <@Evilpig> did my email back to jose make sense to you? 
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10:18 <@Dolemite> Not entirely, because whatever you two were working no isn't something I've looked at yet
10:19 <@Dolemite> Are you basically remapping the canvas so that if there's a zone, the whole zone becomes a link?
10:19 <@Evilpig> that's what he did
10:19 <@Dolemite> Ah
10:19 <@Evilpig> but it wasn't working because it only worked when you hovered on something that wasn't already linked
10:19 <@Evilpig> but it outlined the rest of the zone excluding whatever was linked
10:20 <@Dolemite> Yeah, that can get kludgy in a hurry
10:20 <@Evilpig> so you could end up with a red box around the entire zone, part of it, it was really fucking random
10:20 <@Dolemite> Have you had the same issue with the tooltips not aligning with the map correctly?
10:20 <@Evilpig> yes
10:20 <@Evilpig> and I'll fix that next
10:20 <@Evilpig> that's a bug between chrome, ie, and FF
10:20 <@Evilpig> they all process coords just slightly different
10:21 <@Dolemite> gotcha
10:21 <@Evilpig> when i'm done the idea is to have an outline come on the map if your mouse is in a defined zone
10:21 <@Evilpig> just to let you know that rack, space, whatever is part of a defined zone
10:22 <@Evilpig> the problem I am having right now is that... it isn't drawing the zone size right.  not sure why
10:22 <@Evilpig> http://opendcim.wilpig.com/dc_stats.php?dc=1
10:23 <@Evilpig> you can hover into the servers zone now and it will highlight.  but you will see how it is drawing it funny in comparison to the rest
10:23 <@Dolemite> So how many tanning beds are within walking distance to your apartment?
10:23 <@Evilpig> I have an idea what's going on but when I got to it last night my brain was fried
10:23 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Could it be an autoscale issue?
10:23 <@Evilpig> I dunno.  I havent' seen any
10:23 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I'm thinking that might be it.  BUT... the canvas has always been set to be whatever size the image is, no matter what
10:25 <@Dolemite> I expect your skin to have even more unhealthy of a glow than the animals we feed radioactive turnips the next time that I see you
10:26 <@Evilpig> radioactive turnips huh?  is that another one of those s00per s3cr1t non-weapons research projects that aren't going on there?
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10:26 <@Dolemite> no commnt
10:26 <@Dolemite> er, comment
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11:41 <@rattle> American Exceptionalism.  Discuss!
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11:47  * Evilpig points at himself, discussion over
11:51 <@Dolemite> Murrica!
11:56 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: i was issued actual hwaring protection in addition to the headphones, fyi
11:57 <@Evilpig> also passed on yor questions
11:58 <@Dolemite> So on one hand I've heard Peter's rant that the new version of the Polargy doors are horrible...   but yet I've got about 10 of them installed here for over a year and they're working great for us.  Did he have you guys install the last set, or did you get craft labor to do it?
12:01 <@Evilpig> you know damn well we did
12:01 <@Evilpig> which is part of the problem
12:01 <@Evilpig> they aren't mounted to the floor yet which is an issue but the real problem with them is they open so much easier than the others and they just get banged around alot
12:02 <@Evilpig> if they were mounted properly they wouldn't move around so much, etc and would be far less trouble
12:05 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I had a carpenter with decades of experience install mine, and they're working great.  Sure, they do open a lot easier than the others, but it doesn't take long to get used to that.
12:05 <@Dolemite> You did install the rubber bumpers on the supports, right?
12:28 < Shadow404> oh shit, i think i may of just snagged an working at home tech job, woooooooooot
12:34 < nachoguy> neat
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12:45 < Shadow404> dc0de: you online?
12:55 < Shadow404> Catonic: yo?
12:58 <@Dagmar> Oops.  I committed another Section 1080 violation.
12:59 <@Dagmar> There's no hiding this one either
12:59 < Shadow404> oh, what did u do now?
12:59 <@Dagmar> I got a report that a physical server in a rack was reporting a loss of fan redundancy.
13:00 <@Dagmar> It sort of seemed like ours... the hostname looked normal.
13:00 <@Dagmar> Except, no one can login to it.  The data cetner manager thinks he should be able to login to it.
13:00 <@Dagmar> I say, no problem, we have access to the machine.  I picked a new root password, filed a service ticket for entering the data center...  Then I went down there and signed into the data center walking past four cameras.
13:01 <@Dagmar> I then went into the datacenter, walking past another three camera, three-fingered the machine and booted into single mode.
13:01 <@Dagmar> Odd thing number one, the box was a "rebranded" dell... That's odd.
13:02 <@Dagmar> Odd thing number two, it was running CentOS.  We generally use RHEL.
13:02 <@Dagmar> I check last... no one but a role account has logged in this year.  ...and they were logging in from off-campus.
13:02 <@Dagmar> Catted /etc/passwd, nothing but the usual stock accounts in there and the one additional role account.  no sign any of us _ever_ had access to it.
13:03 <@Dagmar> I just typed at the root prompt "# Oops.  Sorry about this.  Maybe you could put a password on the grub boot next time?"
13:03 <@Dagmar> Rebooted the box to normal mode, put everything away, left.
13:03 <@Dagmar> ...but for a bit I was standing there going "Wow.  How many ways did I leave a trail of evidence on this one.  Heh
13:08 < Shadow404> err, so whats the next step in the process in this case?
13:09 <@Dagmar> Well, if htey come for me, I'm rolling on EVERYONE
13:09 <@Dagmar> hehe
13:10 <@Dagmar> If I'm goin' down, I'm taking some fuckers with me
13:15 < Shadow404> and theres no documentation who owns the box at all?
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13:41 <@oddball> Dear HR people: in what fucking world does a position that requires 5+ years of experience = "entry level?"
14:16 <@Evilpig> oddball: all of them
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14:49 < Shadow404> whats the url query to list the contents of a directory? i.e. how do i get a directory listing of www.example.com/folder1
14:49 < Shadow404> assuming its supported/allowed by the server
14:50 < frsilent> depends on how the server sets it up
14:50 < frsilent> =\
14:51 <@SuMo_D> 100+ kids inspired to see tech+art as friends and not enemies day feels accomplished....
14:55 <@Evilpig> but they are enemies.  DEATH TO ART!
14:55  * Evilpig lights a torch
14:59 <@Evilpig> damnit.  where the fuck is dolemite?
15:01  * SuMo_D lights a wall of LED Panels that say ART ROCKS and blinkds Evilpig
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15:07 <@NotLarry> When I say "I can not help you" why do these people have to say "yes you can, they helped me yesterday"
15:09 <@SuMo_D> because yesterday obviously == today
15:10 <@NotLarry> Then they started a conversation in manderin and turned around and left.  Like I don't understand manderin.
15:11 <@Evilpig> SuMo_D: if those LEDs didn;t have such sharp edges i'd wipe my ass with that!
15:12 <@SuMo_D> which would make it an awesome performance piece Evilpig
15:13 <@Evilpig> if you say so.  my bleeding recturm would not agree with your art
15:16 <@SuMo_D> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M17aG_Po2Y
15:16 < GateKeeper> Title: My anus is bleeding! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:16 <@Corydon76-home> Evilpig: I believe Dolemite is out panhandling, since he's been furloughed for the last two weeks
15:22 <@Evilpig> lol
15:33 <@Dagmar> There's always money in the banana stand
15:41 <@aestetix> vagina
15:44 <@SuMo_D> \m/
15:45 <@aestetix> wow that made you happy
15:46 <@SuMo_D> yes
15:54 < RangerZ> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131015/13010924886/internal-investigation-into-pursuit-shooting-results-suspension-63-cleveland-police-officers.shtml LOL
15:54 < GateKeeper> Title: Internal Investigation Into Pursuit And Shooting Results In The Suspension Of 63 Cleveland Police Officers | Techdirt (at www.techdirt.com)
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16:25 <@oddball> RangerZ: More evidence that it might be wise to make the cops go back to carrying revolvers.  They had a whole lot higher hit rates back when they had to reload after 6 than after the 17-1 that a Glock carries.
16:29 <@Dagmar> What the fuck was with the cop firing 49 rounds in 20 seconds?
16:33 <@oddball> Oops, sorry... If the cop was carrying a full-sized Glock 40cal, he'd have a capcity of 15+1
16:34 <@oddball> So... he'd have to have reloaded at least 3 times in that time frame.
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16:34 <@Dagmar> This doesn't appear to represent anything resembling "restraint"
16:35 <@oddball> Which is doable in 20 seconds... but it would require mag dumps.  No real aiming and no concern for cover.
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16:36 <@Dagmar> Well, it appears they got into a semi-circle to execute these two people properly.
16:37 <@oddball> Which is why I'm for making cops carry revolvers.  They can only dump 6 rounds before reloading... which, even with speed loaders, is slower than swapping magazines in a semi-auto.
16:38 <@oddball> Yeah... the amount of lead that they threw at the car reminds me of accounts of the death of Bonny and Clyde.
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16:52 < RangerZ> oddball: i'm all for making all legal guns be bolt action ;)
16:52 < RangerZ> or pump for shotgun
16:59 <@oddball> I disagree, but I'm the resident gun nut.
17:03 <@oddball> And I'm rather upset right now because SCOTUS has refused to pick up a case dealing with "may issue" states.  Apparently a guy in Maryland was denied a carry permit because he failed to document a good need.  When asked about the assault to his son and home invasion from a former brother-in-law, the state responed that that happened in his home, where he could already legally bare arms.
17:06 <@oddball> Sorry, it was his son-in-law, and the plaintif had been granted a carry permit twice before, but was denied a renewal because of "lack of need."
17:06 <@oddball> http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/-1/article/p2p-77800595/
17:06 < GateKeeper> Title: The Baltimore Sun (at touch.baltimoresun.com)
17:13 <@Corydon76-home> Sounds like the law is acting precisely as designed
17:15 <@oddball> Yes, which I see as a problem.
17:17 <@rattle> Alexander is resigning!
17:17 <@rattle> GOOD
17:17 <@oddball> Link?
17:17 <@Corydon76-home> General Alexander?
17:17 <@rattle> http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/16/us-usa-nsa-transition-idUSBRE99F12W20131016
17:17 <@Corydon76-home> Or Lamar?
17:17 < GateKeeper> Title: U.S. eavesdropping agency chief, top deputy expected to depart soon | Reuters (at www.reuters.com)
17:17 <@rattle> Huge news
17:18 <@Corydon76-home> He's not under indictment for lying to Congress, though.
17:19 <@oddball> It's a good start, but the thought that Obama will replace him with someone that gives a shit about our privacy or, you know, our rights, is extremly wishful thinking.
17:20 <@rattle> Rogers is apparently the favored replacement.  I don't know much about him.
17:20 <@rattle> Alexander had to go though..  I was expecting this.
17:20 <@rattle> And his deputy too, which is really good.
17:20 <@aestetix> rattle: best news I've heard all day
17:22 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Would anybody who was really good on privacy actually want the job, though?
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17:23 <@oddball> fair question
17:24 <@Corydon76-home> He needs someone focused on reform, to get the stink out that Alexander is leaving behind
17:24 <@rattle> Of all the technology folks in government I've worked with, there's really only been one that's had a good grasp on privacy issues.
17:24 <@rattle> Peter Swire is very good in that regard.  I was very happy to see him appointed to the NSA review panel.
17:24 <@oddball> Unfortunately, I don't think Obama really sees that anything was wrong... beyond getting caught.
17:26 <@Corydon76-home> I think it's doubtful he's given it a lot of thought.  What with the constant bullshit Congress has been handing him, his reaction to Snowden was likely handed to him by the NSA ("here's what to say on the matter")
17:27 <@Corydon76-home> Every bit of his reaction in the past has seemed to be scripted and without his usual analysis
17:28 <@Dickie> anal
17:29 <@Corydon76-home> Dickie: channeling aestetix today?
17:29 <@Dickie> Selective reading comprehension
17:29 <@rattle> Just a point of clarity..  It would be the NSC driving EOP's talking points, not NSA, even if NSA was influencing them.
17:30 <@Corydon76-home> Fair enough
17:30 <@rattle> And NSC would defer to DNI about messaging.
17:31 <@rattle> Especially stuff regarding Snowden, as that's NCIX's game, which is under DNI.  The only things NSA sends up to the president are intelligence reports.  Messaging happens elsewhere.
17:33 <@Corydon76-home> You think Alexander had input to choosing his successor?
17:33 <@rattle> I'm sure of it.
17:33 <@rattle> I'm also sure the decision hasn't been made yet.
17:34 <@Corydon76-home> Yep, probably still vetting the candidates
17:34 <@rattle> There will be a long period of transition.  Flag's don't just walk out of four star posts without some serious planning.  Very few exceptions to that rule, and they all involve flagrant fuckups..  e.g. McChrystal
17:35 <@Corydon76-home> Lying to Congress wasn't a flagrant fuckup?
17:36 <@rattle> Based on empirical observation, what do you think?
17:37 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: You should know by now that, if you're of sufficient standing, lying to Congress is nothing.
17:37 <@Corydon76-home> I'm wondering if the minority chorus of Congressmen who realized that he lied has a drumbeat which finally caused this action
17:37 <@rattle> Officials are "permitted" to lie if pressed about classified programs in a public setting.
17:37 <@rattle> In the case of Congress, they get class briefs..  And it's up to them if they want to indite.
17:38 <@rattle> So if they hear truth in the class briefings, they'll overlook it.
17:38 <@rattle> Not saying that's good..  But that's how it is.
17:39 <@rattle> No one is going to come down in Clapper or Alexander unless they were found to have liked in the class briefings.  They expect these guys will stumble in the public hearings regarding classified programs.
17:39 <@rattle> s/liked/lied/
17:40 <@rattle> For what it's worth, it's actually a credit to our system that they even attempt to broach these topics in unclass public hearings.  We are one of the few countries that even tries.
17:41 <@rattle> And don't read any of that as me saying it's "ok" they lied in the hearings.  Or in numerous public addresses.  I'm furious about it.  But I also understand why they are not getting indicted.
17:41 <@Corydon76-home> We're one of the few countries where intelligence services are accountable to the legislature, though
17:41 <@Corydon76-home> where the head of the legislature is not also the head of state
17:42 <@rattle> I'm actually fucking FURIOUS that Alexander blew sunshine up our asses at BlackHat..  Said the programs where 100% audited and no abuses have occurred..  Only to have info come out about how they admitted abuses to the FISA court.
17:42 <@rattle> That, was high bullshit.  Blatant lie in a prepared statement?  Not a stumble in a hearing.
17:43 <@rattle> And I seriously think that might have been the blunder that broke the camel's back.
17:43 <@Corydon76-home> He wasn't under oath at Blackhat, though
17:43 <@rattle> Yes, but he managed to destroy much of the lingering goodwill between the IC and the hacker/infosec community.
17:44 <@Corydon76-home> I dunno, I think after the Snowden disclosures, there really wasn't any goodwill, and what goodwill there was was all due to the Blackhat speech
17:44 <@rattle> If you wound back the clock three years, there was a huge amount of goodwill between the IC and the hacking community..  At least in many circles that matter.
17:45 <@rattle> Now, well..  There's smoldering ruins.
17:45 <@Corydon76-home> Yes, pre-Snowden
17:45 <@Corydon76-home> When Alexander walked into Blackhat, he was heading into a hostile crowd, and turned it around.
17:46 <@rattle> Not really.
17:46 <@rattle> Sorta.
17:46 <@Corydon76-home> What Alexander essentially did, though, was not to destroy goodwill, but to make it nearly impossible to rebuild in the future
17:46 <@rattle> He didn't turn things around, but he gave some assurances that we really needed.
17:46 <@rattle> Then when you find out a key one was a blatant lie..
17:47 <@rattle> I disagree with that.
17:47 <@Corydon76-home> Well, time is the healer of all wounds
17:47 <@rattle> I don't think it's impossible to rebuild.
17:47 <@rattle> There's incentive on both sides, really.
17:47 <@rattle> We don't want the government spinning out of control.
17:49 <@rattle> And they _need_ support from key segments of the unclass security community.
17:49 <@Corydon76-home> What I'd like to see is a massive downsizing of the NSA in the next 6 months, then a slow, steady rebuild.
17:50 <@Corydon76-home> It's the only way they're going to be sure that the abuses they've endured cannot have a repeat
17:50 <@rattle> We just need good leadership.
17:50 <@rattle> The "shut it all down" approach is easier said than done.
17:51 <@Corydon76-home> Unless people get fired, I don't think the public is going to support the continued funding
17:51 <@rattle> When the problems are systemic, you're more likely to kill the good than the bad by taking a scorched earth approach.
17:51 <@Corydon76-home> and the people getting fired are simply going to rotate out to contract firms in the meantime
17:52 <@rattle> Exactly.
17:52 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Bah.  I think the large majority of the public have already forgotten about this.
17:52 <@Corydon76-home> A decent amount of the reforms taken are going to be all optics
17:53 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: a majority of the public were never all that concerned in the first place
17:53 <@oddball> right
17:53 <@oddball> And I'm still convinced that those currently in power have no issue with what the NSA has been doing.  Well... while they're still in power.
17:53 <@Corydon76-home> Unless it affects the amount of food they're able to eat in a month, most Americans simply don't care.
17:54 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: Well, I think it's more that the job of President is simply too time-demanding for anyone to really give it the thought that it deserves
17:55 <@oddball> And entirely too many have the opinion of "well, I have nothing to hide/not doing anything wrong."
17:55 <@Corydon76-home> Essentially the problem is that there was a hole in the sphere of trusted people the President has to help him make the right decisions
17:57 <@oddball> Which is why I brought up my purchasing ammo at phreaknic.  Folks into guns wouldn't bat an eye at someone buying several hundred rounds at once, but the news has spun possesion of a box or two (50-200 rounds) as a terrifying thing.
17:59 <@Corydon76-home> Speaking as someone who isn't into that scene, it's not so much terrifying as it is that we're uncertain what is a lot, so we depend upon others to tell us how much is too much.
18:00 <@oddball> right
18:00 <@Corydon76-home> Also, there's a difference between buying a box and taking it to the range versus stockpiling it in a location where it would be easy for nearly anyone to access
18:00 <@rattle> Well, we've got six hours before the global economy falls prey to "American Exceptionalism".
18:01 <@Corydon76-home> rattle: I actually think we've got a bit more time, because the original deadline was based upon full government operation
18:01 <@Corydon76-home> With 40% of the government shutdown, we probably have at least another week before the Treasury has to start making hard choices
18:02 <@rattle> On, I'm sure Lew can come up with a way to fudge a few hours..  But that's not the point really.
18:02 <@rattle> The government being shut down doesn't actually effect cash outflow at all unless it's longer than a quarter in many cases.
18:02 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: It's a good example of a data point that seems harmless to the individual, but could be easily spun to make that person look evil.
18:02 <@Corydon76-home> What about payroll?
18:03 <@oddball> Similar to reports of "they found an arsenal of 4 guns at the suspects home."
18:03 <@rattle> Moving around money from account to account is actually the "extraordinary actions" kinda stuff they repubs were trying to forbid in one of their bills.
18:03 <@Corydon76-home> Right, which is missing from the Senate compromise
18:04 <@rattle> Yeah, so Lew can fudge some stuff to buy some time..  But not all that much, and there are many ways to make mistakes and miss something.
18:05 <@Corydon76-home> The Senate compromise has language about the debt limit which seems sure to make these standoffs impossible in the future.  Congress will have to vote to actively _forbid_ a debt ceiling rise in the future, rather than needing the votes to raise it.
18:05 <@rattle> The whole point of the deadline is the point when they can't assure they've got their i's dotted and t's crossed.
18:06 <@Corydon76-home> Well, the way I've heard it phrased, there's actually no method in place to make the Treasury stop writing checks, so the comptroller of the treasury would essentially violate the debt ceiling if it weren't raised
18:06 <@aestetix> Catching up. Corydon76-home I would suggest that Blackhat is not hostile to the NSA, since many of the attendees are government contractors.
18:06 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: So... if that passes, the debt ceiling is essentially infiniti unless they pass a new bill saying otherwise?
18:06 <@aestetix> HOPE would be a different story.
18:06 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: that's my understanding of it, yes
18:07 <@oddball> gee... it would nice if I could run my finances like that.
18:07 <@rattle> aestetix: That's putting it lightly.  Could you picture DirNSA speaking at HOPE?  haw haw.
18:07 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: no argument, here, but then again, I think the Bush tax cuts were massively irresponsible in the face of still having debt to pay off
18:07 <@aestetix> I'd love to see that.
18:08 <@aestetix> He could speak about security AND privacy.
18:08 <@aestetix> We'd have to put chicken wire around the stage, though.
18:08 <@rattle> Yeah, one of those two level barriers with security staff standing in the middle like major concerts.
18:08 <@oddball> Corydon76-home: Yeah... the more I look at it, the more I wish we could go back to Bill Clinton.  Well... except the stupid assault weapons ban.
18:09 <@aestetix> And the CDA, and the DMCA
18:09 <@rattle> aestetix beat me to the punch on that..
18:09 <@oddball> Oh, shit... that was under his watch, wasn't it...
18:09 <@aestetix> Yep.
18:09 <@Corydon76-home> The worst parts of which have been tossed by the courts
18:10 <@rattle> And even if Gore won against Bush, he was a major proponent of CDA.  History proves quite beyond a reasonable doubt, you're generally always screwed to some degree or anyother.
18:10 <@rattle> *another
18:10 <@aestetix> rattle: I'd also remind that Tipper Gore lead the battle for censorship against recording studios
18:10 <@aestetix> What the hell was that.... the battle in the mid-late 80s
18:11 <@Corydon76-home> Yep
18:11 <@rattle> In general, Obama hasn't been that bad really.  Better than McCain or Romney would have been..  I have little doubt about that.
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18:11 <@oddball> rattle: I disagree.
18:11 <@Corydon76-home> That battle is the only reason anybody still knows the name Dee Snyder
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18:12 <@Corydon76-home> Obama being better than either McCain or Romney depends upon the sphere you're talking about
18:12 <@rattle> Corydon76-home: Fuck you!  Twisted Sister forever!
18:12 <@rattle> I know Dee Snyder, and I take personal offense at that.
18:12 <@oddball> I don't like McCain or Ramey either, but I have been... less than pleased... with Obama's administration.
18:12 <@Corydon76-home> On the whole, he's better, but there are areas where McCain would have been better, and the same for Romney
18:13 <@rattle> oddball: I didn't say he was god, I said he was not bad compared to what we would have had with McCain or Romney.
18:13 <@Corydon76-home> That's essentially the problem with the two-party system, though.  Neither side has a monopoly on good.
18:13 <@rattle> I know what the staff would have looked like under McCain and Romney? And at least Obama allows dissenting views around him.
18:14 <@aestetix> Well
18:14 <@aestetix> McCain may have been a repeat of Reagan.
18:14 <@aestetix> At least in the memory department.
18:14 <@oddball> Frankly, Romney never had a chance of winning.
18:15 <@rattle> Ok, I'm out..  ttyl folks
18:15 <@Corydon76-home> If McCain was president, we would be at war with Iran right now
18:16 <@aestetix> oddball: yes he did. Mostly thanks to the Koch brothers.
18:16 <@Corydon76-home> aestetix: well, not against the well-oiled Obama campaign machine, he didn't
18:16 <@aestetix> Fair enough.
18:17 <@aestetix> at this point, presidential elections are a bit like dr seuss to me
18:17 <@aestetix> Do you vote for Thing One or Thing Two?
18:18 <@Corydon76-home> The problem with Romney is that while he may have made sound decisions, he had a complete lack of ability to be coherent when speaking off the cuff
18:18 <@oddball> Nope.  He was too liberal to really excite the Republican base, and the rest of the folks believed the hype on the TV that he was this hard core conservative.
18:18 <@oddball> Right now, the Republican party is essentially eating itself.
18:18 <@aestetix> Ahh the joys of auto-bill pay. Hoping no forgotten charges pop in before the next paycheck.
18:19 <@Corydon76-home> oddball: have you seen the latest admission from Ted Cruz?
18:19 <@oddball> what's that?
18:20 <@oddball> The bit where he doesn't like the latest budget bill in the Senate, but won't stand in the way of a vote?
18:20 <@Corydon76-home> The last five weeks have been all about fundraising for his election campaigns
18:20 <@oddball> link?
18:20 <@aestetix> Election for what?
18:21 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.opposingviews.com/i/politics/ted-cruz-implies-shutdown-was-fundraising-stunt
18:21 < GateKeeper> Title: Ted Cruz Implies He Shut Down Government As Fundraising Stunt (Video) (at www.opposingviews.com)
18:21 <@aestetix> Oh I see.
18:22 <@NotLarry> rattle: So, think you can get Dee to play ph18?
18:22 <@aestetix> Is he planning on using the funds to win back republican seats in the senate?
18:22 <@aestetix> (as he has 5 years left, and as a Canadian born he's ineligible for POTUS)
18:23 <@Corydon76-home> Well, but one of his parents is American, which is sufficient
18:24 <@Corydon76-home> I really don't want to entrap anyone else with birtherism, whether it's ironically delicious or not.
18:25 <@oddball> I see that interpretation of what he said as a bit of a stretch.
18:27 <@Corydon76-home> If you consider what he accomplished for the period, fundraising stands out.
18:27 <@NotLarry> Corydon76-home:
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18:51 < RangerZ> http://www.liberalamerica.org/2013/10/15/rep-marsha-blackburn-finally-gets-asked-hate-obamacare-love-country/
18:51 < RangerZ> i love seeing her be stupid
18:52 < RangerZ> well... its not hard... or rare...
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20:27 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: I hate you.
20:27 < RangerZ> NotLarry: why? lol
20:28 <@NotLarry> There are people who know I'm living in Nashville and she is representative of me.  I don't want to know that...
20:28 < RangerZ> nah, she isn't yours
20:28 < RangerZ> i don't htink, she has mostly 'east nashville' /madisonfrom what I understood
20:30 <@NotLarry> Yeah, but she is close enough my friends from Alabama and Mississippi get to make fun of me...
20:30 <@aestetix> penis
20:32 < RangerZ> lol
20:32 <@NotLarry> Not to mention my friends from California (really, don't mention them)...
20:39 < RangerZ> true
20:52 < RangerZ> NotLarry: don't worry... TN is the most violent state in nation
20:53 < RangerZ> not even Chicago can make IL win out over TN
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20:57 < fritz269> evening
20:59 <@NotLarry> That would explain what happened to my last pair of running shears...
21:06 < RangerZ> see... I thought Dagmar just 'borrowed' them for a stroll through dragon park, and had a run in with smurfs
22:12 <@Dagmar> That shit would ahve made the news.
22:12 <@Dagmar> Try and harass me in my "home turf"?  Really, really bad idea.
22:12 <@Dagmar> Also, I fucking hate calendars
22:14 <@Evilpig> and jews
22:14 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: I thought this was the third week in Ocrober
22:14 <@Evilpig> you hate the jews too
22:14 <@Dagmar> No, I'm actually fine with jews.
22:15 <@Dagmar> So instead of only having two more days until vacation, it's a whole 'nother week
22:15 <@Evilpig> you've got a tumor.  you can't come in at all next week
22:15 <@Dagmar> heh
22:16 <@Evilpig> pretty sure it's work related so that's workmans comp too
22:16 <@NotLarry> That is not a tumor, that is anger.
22:16 <@Dagmar> Well, the only GOOD side of it is that Lacy Tite has finally read the backlog of emails from me about the whole AlertVU thing.
22:16 <@Dagmar> She's interested in seeing what I'm talking about deploying.
22:16 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm the only motherfucker who seems to be taking *any* of this seriously.
22:16 <@NotLarry> Called an admin about an ongoing issue.  His answer was "I don't feel I have the cycles to devote to solving that issue."
22:17 <@Dagmar> What was it you were asking Sean about, specifically?
22:17 <@Evilpig> I saw a 55u rack today,  2 post, completely full of networking equipment, not a single fucking screw
22:18 <@Dagmar> lol
22:18 < RangerZ> Evilpig: wow...
22:19 <@Evilpig> alright.  time for me to kick back in bed and catch me some more pokeymans
22:19 <@Dagmar> So... I sent an email to the other admins and Hogan with screenshots of the cacti graphs from *just* mysql02, showing that something is desperately wrong and getting worse
22:19 <@NotLarry> When I said "ok, so, you are not going to fix this, can you at least remove the error?"
22:19 <@Dagmar> I did specifically use the phrase, "Flaming webservers falling from the sky"
22:19 <@NotLarry> I was told "I will bring that up."
22:19 <@Dagmar> He saw me in the bathroom later and was laughing about that
22:19 <@NotLarry> fml
22:20 <@NotLarry> fyl
22:21 < RangerZ> Dagmar: atleast it didn't take you like 50 clicks through some software to add students to a subversion server
22:21 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking that when most of our web environment is irretriveably broken, and me and everyone from storage will be standing together saying "We told you this would happen", he won't be laughing
22:21 <@NotLarry> So, Dagmar, let me know when your solution for AlertVU is deployed.  I can wait till then.  Gives me something to shoot for.
22:21 < RangerZ> i had to LMAO when i heard about that....
22:21 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: are you on lync right now?  I have a couple of graphs from tumblr that you might find amusing
22:21 < RangerZ> b/c a batch script couldn't do that or anything.... LOL
22:22 <@Dagmar> NotLarry: Oh I doubt I'll get to do a fucking thing
22:22 <@NotLarry> So, my coworker dissapeared about an hour ago with "I'll be right back."
22:22 <@Dagmar> ...at least not without Sean taking credit for it.
22:22 <@NotLarry> Walked in on him in the breakroom with a woman.
22:22 <@Dagmar> WHEN I TOLD HIM ABOUT THIS SHIT SIX MONTHS AGO AND HE DID NOTHING.
22:22 <@Dagmar> I would genuinely fire the SHIT out of someone for that
22:23 <@NotLarry> I don't mean "with" in the biblical sense.
22:30 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: your shits broken again
22:30 <@Dagmar> It's not my shit
22:30 <@NotLarry> no, just kidding
22:30 <@Dagmar> It's just the shit they make me fix.
22:31 <@NotLarry> you sure you got the cycles for that?
22:31 <@Dagmar> I can't really carp at the ISIS folks about the underscores in hostnames thing
22:31 <@Dagmar> ...because I fucked up elsewhere myself.  LOL
22:31 <@Dagmar> I put a cname in the root of a zone like a big dummy, but I chalk that up to simple fatigue
22:32 <@Dagmar> Spinning up some high-volume static servers is something I could throw together in a day
22:32 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: I will try to wait for your new AlertVU solution to be put in place.
22:33 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I'm sorry, you aren't allowed to email your supervisor with a suggestion, until you get approval from your coworker and then he goes and gives the suggestion to your boss
22:33 <@Dagmar> Sean's going to want to fap around and pretend it requires massive amounts of advanced planning
22:33 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Dude that's just about the state we're in
22:34 <@Dagmar> It's intolerablel
22:34 < RangerZ> yay... we won't be going over the debt ceiling
22:34 <@Dagmar> BUilding stripped down servers, particularly with RHEL, is fucking easymode
22:34 < RangerZ> and govt reopens tomorrow
22:35 <@Dagmar> You throw the basic server together, cut out the pieces you don't want, pump the package list back into the kickstart file, and feed it to a new sevrer.
22:35 <@Dagmar> Motherfucking _rapid_
22:35 < RangerZ> http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/hackers-hit-pr-newswire-data-shows-up-alongside-recently-stolen-adobe-code/ oh shit... I didn't know ADOBE source code got leaked
22:35 < GateKeeper> Title: Hackers hit PR Newswire, data shows up alongside recently stolen Adobe code | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
22:36 < RangerZ> i would LOVE to see the algorithms for photoshop get leaked
22:36 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Take it on faith that the Chinese have copies of everything
22:36 <@Dagmar> They've got a building full of people who make it their 9 to 5.
22:37 <@Dagmar> Her'es the thing that tops the list of "bullshit from today"..
22:38 <@Dagmar> The ESX servers are failing to repond in a timely fashion to the local storage utilization checks over SNMP
22:39 <@Dagmar> This _very strongly_ correlates to when we start seeing big jumps in the amount of CPU time spent in wait states on the VMs.
22:39 <@Dagmar> Sean wants to argue that these checks have nothing to do with the SAN, so they can't possibly be related.
22:39 <@Dagmar> That's pompous insanity.
22:39 <@Dagmar> When you have strong correlation between two things in a complex system, you don't fucking discount them.
22:40 <@Dagmar> You assume there's a third thing going on that is making them both happen that you DO NOT KNOW SHIT ABOUT, and you go and find the fuck out what it is before it gets any worse.
22:41 <@Dagmar> For all I know the overload states on the SAN could be causing a massive flood of hardware interrupts on the ESX, slowing hte whole thing down
22:41 <@Dagmar> This would explain the _clock drift_ as well as the shit response times for local filesystem checks
22:42 <@Dagmar> ...and considering how a lot of SNMP checks work, it's likely the damn check is still probing things to do with the SAN, and just filtering out the data that's not requested before sending it back.
22:42 <@Dagmar> He's under the impression that he knows everything.  I'm under the impression that I know more than me does and there's still a shitload I don't know
22:42 <@Dagmar> s/me/he/
22:43 <@Dagmar> I'm also pissed about that calendar thing because now I'm guessing this shit *will* burn to the ground before I can offically be on vacation
22:54 < RangerZ> https://www.kpmg.com/US/en/IssuesAndInsights/ArticlesPublications/Documents/self-driving-cars-are-we-ready.pdf
22:54 < RangerZ> "A survey of car owners suggests that consumers might be more willing to use a self-driving car from a technology company like Google, Apple or Intel -- rather than one from a traditional automaker."
22:55 < RangerZ> "theres a shocker"....
22:57 < SuMo_D> they self driving cars were a hot topic around here all spring... they've got a lab at Greenville tech that was supposed to have some prototypes pretty far along... BMW headquarters is in the area and funds a lot of those initiatives they want to make some pod car train thing too on old railways in the SE
23:02 <@Dagmar> Vandy has a thing like that
23:02 <@Dagmar> They use a BMW.
23:03 <@Dagmar> No surprise, that.
23:09 < RangerZ> http://gawker.com/house-stenographer-dragged-off-floor-yelling-about-free-1446830813
23:09 < RangerZ> HAHAHA
23:11 <@Dagmar> o.O
23:11 <@Dagmar> That's _really_ odd.
23:12 <@eryc> This viral marketing for the Carrie remake is getting out of hand.
23:12 < RangerZ> http://cdn.funnie.st/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/what_the_part_4_640_012.jpg
23:12 < RangerZ> wow...
23:28 < SuMo_D> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUjh4DE8FZA
23:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Shower Products for Men - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:29 < SuMo_D> Loofas make me angry....
23:35 <@eryc> Dagmar: i'm up to 140k now
23:35 <@eryc> its too bad there's no money in parachuting
23:36 <@eryc> do you know when you get to fly planes and shit?
23:36 <@eryc> i went to the airport hoping to steal one and there was nothing
23:37 <@Dagmar> There are helicopters at the military base, and some police choppers here and there
23:37 <@Dagmar> THere's also jets.
23:37 <@Dagmar> ...with guns.
23:37 <@eryc> ya i saw a guy in a chopper once
23:37 <@eryc> nice
23:38 <@Dagmar> THe military base does not give them up easily
23:38 <@eryc> i'd expect not
23:38 <@eryc> i did a mission in story mode that wasnt terrible tho
23:38 <@eryc> although i was lucky none of the tanks shot at me
23:39 <@eryc> now, a tank would be cool to steal
23:39 < RangerZ> ohh good... Fox is rebooting Fantastic Four movie franchise... :/
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