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00:57 < SuMo_D> haaaa
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01:44 <@aestetix> so I'll ask in here
01:44 <@aestetix> why does twitter need 20000 employees
01:45 <@aestetix> er, 2,000
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02:13 < strages> Aestetix analysts, that is alot of data
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05:40 < RangerZ> also it hasn't had its IPO yet, so it hasn't had to become 'completely' profit center only interested
05:40 < RangerZ> so it could have 'insourced' a lot of work
05:50 < RangerZ> yeah.... http://amd.com/ no one would need to update drivers during the middle of the night or anything :/
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06:43 < RangerZ> god this is a weird feeling, I don't have any homework or anything to do
06:43 < RangerZ> this is actually a weird feeling
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07:20 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:23 <@Shadow404> what up fools
07:23 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: yeah you u do, visit my town
07:23 <@Shadow404> get to work biatch
08:29 <@Corydon76-home> Dolemite: how's the job hunt?
08:29 <@Dolemite> Heh.  Not funny.
08:30 <@Corydon76-home> I wasn't joking.
08:31 <@Dolemite> Yeah, still not funny.
08:31 <@Corydon76-home> Although, if you can find a few soldiers who are depressed by the prospect of ORNL shutting down, there's a now a law that for the purpose of soldier morale, you can be sent back to work and be paid.
08:33 <@Dolemite> Fortunately we have carry-over funds into November.  Let's just hope the shutdown ends before then.
08:49 <@rattle> I think the anarchists in the House are going to raise the debt ceiling but try and keep the shutdown going in hopes that it bends public opinion around to them.
08:50 <@Dolemite> All I know is that I'm taking a scorched earth approach to the next few voting ballots.  No incumbents.  Period.
08:52 <@Dolemite> And even though he has nothing to do with the shutdown, that is still especially true for the fact that I'm in Stacey Campfield's district.
08:52 <@Dolemite> He's the idiot state senator that claimed that AIDS came from gays having sex with monkeys.
08:52 <@Dolemite> Everybody knows it came from gays sharing needles with monkeys.  duh.
08:53 <@Shadow404> duh
08:53 <@Shadow404> thx Corydon76-home
08:53 <@Dolemite> I'm just not sure if they were knitting, crochet, or cross stitch.
09:04 <@Shadow404> that shit is no joke, you can poke yourself with a knitting needle
09:05 <@Shadow404> sat down one time in a chair with a knitting needle on it, was a very unwelcome surprise
09:52 <@Dagmar> Fuck I am not going into that place today
09:52 <@Dagmar> Just... fuck it
09:54 <@Dagmar> They're trying to get me to cover up the fact that Sean Johnson's configuration *completely* fucking failed on Monday when it came time for the webservers to hand out really important information and I'm not going to do that
09:55 <@Dagmar> I'm going to sit here and construct my own Peer Incident Review
10:05 <@Shadow404> rebel....putt putt putt
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10:07 <@Shadow404> awww
10:08 <@Shadow404> did i upset you?
10:09 <@Dagmar> Let me make this clear
10:09 <@Dagmar> If you have a problem being civil because you don't get out of the house enough, this is not the place to act out about it
10:09 <@Shadow404> haha
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11:26 < dc0de> brb.
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11:27 < dc0de> and back.
11:35 < dc0de> Good morning all.
11:35 <@Mirage> dc0de: what's so good about it?
11:35 < dc0de> I'm awake, and alive... that's what.
11:35 < dc0de> why you bein' so negative Mirage ? :P
11:36  * dc0de is getting ready for pre-op appointment for his elbow tomorrow... 
11:36 < dc0de> it's time for the 'every 10 year' clean out of all the broken bone chips...
11:37 < dc0de> I just want this over.
11:37 < dc0de> again.
11:37 <@Dolemite> Just get your arm replaced with a bionic attachment
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11:38 < dc0de> Dolemite: no one has made it yet... sadly.
11:38 < dc0de> the replacement elbow parts come with a lifetime 10lb limit on them.
11:39 <@Dolemite> I can feel my flu shot from this morning wiggling it's way through my arm.  They didn't warm it up to room temperature for me ahead of time.
11:39 <@Dolemite> Have to decide on whether to quickly grab lunch in the slop-o-teria or go into town...
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11:43 <@eryc> dc0de is a pre-op
11:46 <@rattle> Does the program name "dancer" mean anything to anyone here?
11:55 <@rattle> Or "Native Dancer"
11:55 <@rattle> ?
12:10 <@Dagmar> Not really, but that could mean anything
12:10 <@Dagmar> Probably http://www.mcafee.com/threat-intelligence/malware/default.aspx?id=122307
12:29 < dc0de> eryc: yup...
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13:34 <@Shadow404> we might have a short term funding plan in place by friday
13:36 < frsilent> https://github.com/WhiteHouse/fortyfour/issues/3
13:36 < GateKeeper> Title: BUG: Government occasionally shuts down · Issue #3 · WhiteHouse/fortyfour · GitHub (at github.com)
13:38 <@Shadow404> nice
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14:50 <@rattle> Yes, that's right network guy.  Swapping out the switch that feeds the CSO, CTO, and CIO offices along with all their staff in the middle of the day without sending a "heads-up" email is a great fucking idea.
14:59 <@aestetix> so rattle
14:59 <@aestetix> maybe you can explain why all these government websites have put up a "we're closed" banner
15:00 <@aestetix> since if they were actually closed, it seems it would make more sense to turn the servers off
15:00 <@aestetix> http://notice.usa.gov/ for example
15:00 < GateKeeper> Title: USA.gov: The U.S. Government's Official Web Portal (at notice.usa.gov)
15:00 <@aestetix> oh, that was nasa.gov
15:00 <@aestetix> but yeah
15:00 <@rattle> It has to do with providing service.  In the same way they don't turn off the climate control in the Smithsonian even though it's closed.
15:00 <@rattle> It's dumb.
15:01 <@rattle> "It's so dumb, it's the law."(?)
15:01 <@aestetix> But doesn't it often take more resources to deny services than to provide them?
15:01 <@aestetix> IE instead of paying one guard to patrol the WW2 memorial, you pay 10 guards to keep veterans away...
15:02 <@rattle> It's arguable.  Without anyone there to watch over the stuff, it makes sense to declare one site "critical" and then just have everything redirect to it.
15:02 <@rattle> All the sysadmins have basically been sent home.
15:02 <@aestetix> I just wish they could declare the TSA unnecessary
15:04 <@aestetix> Fair enough.
15:04 <@aestetix> I guess one question is "if these services are non-essential, why is the government doing them, as opposed to private industry"
15:05 <@aestetix> But this is one of those situations where if you think about it too much, it starts to really hurt.
15:07 <@rattle> The whole "if these services are non-essential, then BLAH BLAH" thing is a red herring.
15:07 <@rattle> From a BCP/DR perspective, virtually every organization usually has less than 20% essential staff.
15:08 <@rattle> Example..  If you are a services organization, everyone in your sales and support departments is non-essential.  They are not necessary for the basic business "life" functions.  However, your business isn't going to do so hot without them.
15:09 <@rattle> In a BCP plan, you bring key functions within your IT, HR, and Admin back first.  An accounts payable person is more important than a VP of Sales, for instance.
15:10 <@rattle> In a way, that's analogous to what's up with the essential/non-essential job descriptions in government.
15:10 <@rattle> Furthermore, in this case, a large percentage of the folks getting furloughed are contractors..  So already private sector.
15:11 <@rattle> In general, if you have a BCP plan that considers more than 20% of your organization essential, you are doing it wrong..
15:11 <@aestetix> Hmm.
15:11 <@aestetix> I find it interesting how different places define "essential"
15:12 <@rattle> It really depends on the nature of the organization in question.
15:13  * aestetix nods
15:13 <@rattle> But as a general rule of thumb, the folks that make an organization exceptional are actually non-essential.
15:13 <@rattle> Business functions don't stop because your R&D department isn't there, for instance.  However, your business is hurt severely if it's not.
15:13 <@aestetix> What do you mean "exceptional"?
15:14 <@rattle> ^^^
15:15 <@rattle> MTPoD == Maximum Tolerable Period of Disruption
15:15 <@rattle> Aka, the amount of time before the business ceases to be a business.  That's what essential is usually determined around.
15:17 <@rattle> So, the person who does payroll, accounts payable, what's necessary to maintain key IT resources, often the front desk security guy, etc..  That's the "essential" stuff.  The stuff that makes an organization good, isn't necessarily accessible.
15:17 <@rattle> That's all in a business context..  But it's analogous to government.
15:17 <@aestetix> Hmm.
15:18 <@aestetix> If you went around and asked people "Am I essential to the company?" I wonder how many would say "no."
15:18 < dc0de> This whole government stoppage only proves that we don't need this huge overhead of government...
15:18 <@aestetix> dc0de: that was part of my point.
15:19 <@Shadow404> agreed to some degree on that, i do want my parks open though
15:19 < dc0de> fuck this government... it's time for a bloody revolution.
15:19 <@Shadow404> and all the private business inside it
15:19 <@rattle> Well, you should distinguish between roles and people when asking a question like that.. :)  No one person should ever be essential, though their role might.
15:19 < dc0de> my parks are open... just hop the fence
15:19 < dc0de> or pick the locks... geesh...
15:20 <@rattle> The longer the government stays shut down, the worse it's going to get.  Right now, it's not that bad..  Even though we are basically setting money on fire.
15:20 <@Shadow404> legally open
15:20 <@aestetix> rattle: given how much we waste, we were kinda doing that before already
15:20 <@rattle> Well, we are doing it in spades now..  We don't save money by shutting down the government, we waste it.
15:22 <@rattle> There are so many things that can go wrong right now, in really bad ways?  I seriously hope Congress gets it's fucking shit together before any of it does.
15:23 <@aestetix> I don't disagree with that.
15:24 <@rattle> Like, I think things like the FDA are very, very, good.  And I am generally very happy knowing my tax dollars are being spent trying to ensure my food supply is safe..
15:24 <@aestetix> I'm ok with the FDA.
15:24 <@aestetix> DHS, on the other hand.
15:24 <@aestetix> I kind of wish the entire DHS would be disbanded.
15:26 <@rattle> If the GOP had it's way, many of the governmental entities that I think are money well spent would go away.  If they had their way, they'd eliminate the Commerce department.
15:26 <@aestetix> Heh.
15:26 <@aestetix> Is this the same GOP that refuses to cut any of the defense budget?
15:27 <@rattle> Yeah, because DoD, DHS, FBI, etc, are basically all you'd have in a GOP world.
15:27 <@aestetix> Actually, I'd argue that in an actual GOP (isolationist) world, we'd have actual defense, and not this offensive defense.
15:28 <@aestetix> I used "actually" like three times in that sentence :p
15:28 < dc0de> dems/repubs, who cares, the problem is both sides...
15:28 < dc0de> we need to start over.
15:28 <@rattle> aestetix: Where'd you get this idea the GOP is isolationist?
15:28 <@aestetix> rattle: well, traditionally.
15:28 <@rattle> aestetix: When?
15:28 <@aestetix> pre-WW2, I guess.
15:29 <@aestetix> I've been studying a lot of pre-WW2 politics to try to figure out how things got so bad.
15:31 <@rattle> Well, when looking at how you'd expect political parties to behave, I'd suggest looking at the most recent 70 years or so.
15:32 <@aestetix> So basically post-ww2?
15:32 <@rattle> By modern standards, Theodore Roosevelt is a progressive.
15:35 < dc0de> I don't think that we should be looking historically, we should go back and remove all of the outdated laws, and reform the election process, the lawmaking process, and get rid of lobbyists.
15:35 < dc0de> ready... go.
15:42 <@rattle> tl;dr
15:48 <@Shadow404> on an upside, ex-detroit mayor just got charged 28 years in jail for corruption
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16:21 <@aestetix> vagina
16:23 < frsilent> you guys see this yet? https://github.com/CMSgov/healthcare.gov/pull/31
16:23 < GateKeeper> Title: A simple demonstration of the benefits of minification on the Marketplace. What happened? by STRML · Pull Request #31 · CMSgov/healthcare.gov · GitHub (at github.com)
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16:24 <@Dagmar> frsilent: LOOOOOOL
16:26 < frsilent> I can't help but feel bad for the developers behind it
16:27 < frsilent> as I've got to believe that the biggest FAIL here was on the part of whoever led the team or hiring process
16:28 <@Shadow404> frsilent: you do know where we get cheap coders/developers from? right?
16:28 < frsilent> devs probably aren't morons (I mean...they might be) but were definitely incredibly inexperienced
16:29 < frsilent> for a project of that importance? I can't imagine they'd have outsourced it
16:29 < frsilent> idk, I'm kind of happy that I'm ignorant about most shitty coders and where they come from
16:30 <@Shadow404> ....would it surprise you if they did? to cut cost
16:30 <@Shadow404> therefore, putting a bigger bonus in the upper managements pocket for the project
16:30 < frsilent> kind of
16:30 <@Shadow404> see it all the time
16:30 < frsilent> there's usually strict rules about it on a contract of that size
16:31 <@Shadow404> hell, im not saying where i see it right now, but i see it every day
16:31 <@Shadow404> and the results
16:32 < frsilent> so much of their code is plugins too it appears
16:32 <@Shadow404> so basically, pre-coded add ons?
16:32 <@Shadow404> that are bulky?
16:32 < frsilent> like....they didn't know to src=".....min.js"?
16:33 <@Shadow404> thats scary
16:33 < frsilent> meh, bulky js plugins are to be expected
16:33 <@Dagmar> frsilent: What he's describing reeks of hiring entry-level, inexperienced coders
16:33 < frsilent> using the uniminified versions? LOL
16:33 <@Dagmar> Probably H1-B's that are coming out of diploma mills in India
16:33 <@Shadow404> i agree with Dagmar
16:34 <@Dagmar> What you wanna bet it was that or the company actually outsourced the work
16:34 <@Shadow404> their quality sucks, and it shows
16:34 <@Dagmar> Those aren't mistakes anyone who's had to eat their own coding for a year would make
16:34 <@Dagmar> That's rank-ass amatuer stuff I might expect to see high schoolers in a class do
16:34 < frsilent> well for a site of that importance I would really imagine that the company contracted would have very strict requirements on who they could have working on it
16:34 <@Dagmar> Acutally, I'd expect more from them because they'd in theory have a teacher guiding them
16:35 < frsilent> at least requiring a background
16:35 <@Dagmar> frsilent: That's not the way that works
16:35 < frsilent> ? for government-contracted work?
16:35 < frsilent> I see that shit happening all the time
16:35 <@Dagmar> While the contractor's employees might all be citizens and so forth, these contracts somehow always seem to magically neglect to mention that any companies they contract in turn shoudl meet the same requirements
16:36 < frsilent> hmm
16:36 <@Dagmar> How do you think we had Mexicans (and I do mean MEXICANS) working on the stadium's post-flood cleanup
16:36 <@Dagmar> I'll also betcha whoever the liason was overseeing this is on the GOP payroll
16:37 <@Shadow404> yep, subcontracting seems to get overlooked so much of the time
16:37 <@Dagmar> They want this system to fail
16:37 <@Dagmar> I don't think it's overlooked.  I think it's deliberately ignored because it would interfere with cronyism
16:44 <@rattle> If there's one thing that could use some serious reform, it's the government procurement process.
16:44 <@rattle> It's crazy.
16:45 <@rattle> Most of the shops that do government work excel at working the government procurement process, not doing good work.
16:46 <@rattle> It's pain on all sides.  If you are in government, and you want to buy something..  Pain.  If you are a firm that wants to sell something to government? Pain.
16:48 <@rattle> In other shitty news..  Scott Carpenter died.
16:57 <@aestetix> So, one interesting side effect of nymrights I'm seeing
16:57 <@aestetix> A few people who work at Google have been taking this very personally.
16:57 <@aestetix> Either being mad at Google themselves, or getting upset at me for attacking them (which is not the intent)
16:58 <@aestetix> I guess Google has become that much of a cult, that people take personal offense to criticism of the company.
16:58 <@SuMo_D> aestetix: http://www.moma.org/interactives/exhibitions/2013/magritte/#/featured/6
16:58 < GateKeeper> Title: MoMA | Magritte: The Mystery of the Ordinary, 1926–1938 (at www.moma.org)
16:58 <@aestetix> oooh
16:59 <@aestetix> how did you know I love Magritte?
16:59 <@SuMo_D> cause.... how could you not?
16:59 <@aestetix> fair
16:59 <@aestetix> seriously, I've actually used his work in rave flyers
16:59 <@SuMo_D> Evilpig is a lucky pig... he can actually go see the show
16:59 <@SuMo_D> jealous
16:59 <@SuMo_D> but yeah google's always been a cult
17:00 <@SuMo_D> just a more subtle form of Apple...
17:00 <@aestetix> heh
17:00 <@SuMo_D> that's the real cult... fuck... I interviewed with them in the past during more desperate times... they serious...wow
17:02 <@SuMo_D> one person in the group interview actually said the words "if you don't hire me I'll still come and talk people into buying your stuff everyday anyway"
17:03 <@SuMo_D> its even worse at corporate from what I hear
17:04 <@aestetix> ..... wow
17:04 <@aestetix> That was from google or apple?
17:04 <@aestetix> (I have actually interviewed with Apple before)
17:05 <@SuMo_D> Apple
17:06 <@SuMo_D> but google... they take the "we're special and a part of something" thing pretty far too...
17:07 <@SuMo_D> you know they profile their applicants at the big G right? they have to have that self starter... we rule and are special thing going on
17:07 <@aestetix> you know
17:08 <@aestetix> I get tired of seeing all these places saying "we're looking for leaders"
17:08 <@aestetix> because there are many parts of a community
17:08 <@aestetix> and if you have a bunch of leaders, you might as well have a fish tank full of sharks
17:09 <@SuMo_D> yep... true dat
17:10 <@SuMo_D> Anyway... I gotta finish prepping for my class - I'm so happy to be teaching again :D
17:10 <@SuMo_D> we're going to do some crazy magritte shit! yea photoshop! :D
17:14 <@aestetix> you know
17:14 <@aestetix> I've never taught a class
17:15 <@aestetix> Maybe I should put together a small online class for nym stuff
17:15 <@SuMo_D> sure
17:15 <@SuMo_D> I'd be happy to help
17:15 <@SuMo_D> lets talk about that later
17:18 <@aestetix> cool!
17:18 <@aestetix> definitely
17:39 <@SuMo_D> files... copied and ready woo!
17:39 <@SuMo_D> so... still a few min. before I have to run
17:40 <@SuMo_D> aestetix do you have any collaborative tools you use? cause sadly the ones I like most that are "free" are hosted by the big G
17:40 <@aestetix> yes
17:40 <@aestetix> piratepad for docs
17:40 <@aestetix> and ethersheet.org for spreadsheets
17:41 <@SuMo_D> sweet
17:42 <@SuMo_D> do you have an outline of the talk you did for PN?
17:42 <@aestetix> uh sort of
17:42 <@aestetix> lemme grab the slides
17:42 <@SuMo_D> that could be a good place to start... just you know... organize it a bit more and then explain the parts more in depth?
17:42 <@aestetix> I mean, that talk is part of a way larger corpus of work :)
17:42 <@SuMo_D> right
17:42 <@aestetix> http://www.slideshare.net/aestetix/dragon-con-2013
17:42 < GateKeeper> Title: Dragon con 2013 (at www.slideshare.net)
17:43 <@aestetix> lemme upload the OHM slides too
17:44 <@aestetix> those are more detailed
17:44 <@aestetix> http://www.slideshare.net/aestetix/shmoocon this is also one of them
17:44 < GateKeeper> Title: Shmoocon (at www.slideshare.net)
17:44 <@aestetix> this is kind of older though
17:45 <@SuMo_D> cool
17:45 <@aestetix> actually
17:45 <@aestetix> there was some dude who transcribed my shmoocon talk
17:45 <@SuMo_D> did you ever read society of the Spectacle by Guy Debord?
17:45 <@aestetix> lemme find it
17:45 <@aestetix> nope
17:45 <@SuMo_D> you might be into it....
17:45 <@Dagmar> Fucking morons
17:45 <@aestetix> http://privacy-pc.com/articles/an-analysis-of-the-online-identity-battleground-by-aestetix.html
17:45 <@SuMo_D> has some interesting points that relate
17:45 <@Dagmar> We have a "high" queue level on a sendmail box and the idiots restart the fucking thing
17:46 <@Dagmar> Like that is going to fix shit
17:46 <@Dagmar> 2300 mails.
17:46 <@Dagmar> GOddamn idiots
17:46 <@Dagmar> I'm going to be a giant dick about that to someone tomorrow
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17:48 <@SuMo_D> Zizek had some interesting writings on identity and the virtual too....
17:48 <@aestetix> Ah interesting.
17:48 <@SuMo_D> chemo did a number on my memory... so sorry I can't be more specific than that
17:48 <@SuMo_D> I'm just like... yeah... that stuff I used to love in grad school.... that shit
17:48 <@aestetix> You read Zizek in grade school?
17:49 <@SuMo_D> grad... not grade
17:49 <@aestetix> oh haha
17:49 <@SuMo_D> which sadly the chemo interfered with too
17:49 <@aestetix> For a minute I was really impressed
17:49 <@SuMo_D> but whatever it was fun while it lasted
17:49 <@SuMo_D> yeah those minutes never last
17:51 <@SuMo_D> actually I was more into zizek in undergrad... but whatever... I'm trying to find the name of that one book of his
17:51 <@aestetix> I still need to get the book 'Seeing like a State' that quinn recommended
17:53 <@SuMo_D> I'm pretty sure it was the last part of "On Beleif"
17:55 <@SuMo_D> This guy is great too http://www.rushkoff.com/ - he teaches in the MA program I was in... I really wanted to see if I could get him as an advisor
17:55 < GateKeeper> Title: Douglas Rushkoff - Home (at www.rushkoff.com)
17:55  * aestetix nods
17:55 <@aestetix> He's also been a guest editor on BoingBoing
17:55 <@aestetix> I've been following his writings on the new economy stuff
17:55 <@SuMo_D> yeah, they're interesting
17:55 <@SuMo_D> its interesting to see his shift on them too in the last few years
17:55 <@Mirage> Dagmar: who rebooted an smtp box for the queues?
17:56 <@SuMo_D> anyway I gotta get to my class! I'll go through the slides in more depth later and we'll see if we can develop something :D
17:57 <@aestetix> have fun
17:57 <@aestetix> and cool!
17:58 <@SuMo_D> leave you with this ikeaordeath.com
17:58 <@SuMo_D> www.ikeaordeath.com
17:58 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I don't know but I'm going to fuckign find out tomorrow
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17:58 <@Dagmar> I'm out of the office today because I spent most of last night coughing myself back awake
17:59 <@Dagmar> Otherwise this shit would have not gone on
17:59 < RangerZ> http://www.change.org/en-GB/petitions/rockstar-release-gta-v-on-pc homehow I don't think THIS is what change.org was made for... but ehh
17:59 <@Dagmar> The fucking idiots would have probably been doing that on Monday had there not been an adult present to say "Of course the queues are backing up, since the Exchange servers won't _take_ forty-thousand emails from the sendmail boxes all at once
17:59 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I'm sure whatever the reason was..it's all my fault since I built them 3-4 years ago
18:00 <@Dagmar> MIrage: I'm turning in my resignation at the end of this month
18:00 <@Mirage> Dagmar: About time.
18:00 <@Dagmar> Bari is offering to set up a meeting with Zafar to discuss these problems, but it's too goddamn late to stop me
18:00 <@Dagmar> Zafar is going to get an earful just the same
18:00 <@Mirage> Dagmar: Hear that Kyle took Chad's old position in EAI?
18:01 <@Dagmar> This business of me telling them exactly what's wrong with things, and no one ever giving me the ability or permission to fix it _ends_
18:01 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Yes, I did
18:01 <@Dagmar> The HR technical recruiter fucked up and managed to not get Kyle my resume at all or I'd likely already be transferring over there
18:02 <@Mirage> Dagmar: ITS would have blocked you just like they did me.
18:02 <@Dagmar> I dont' think so.  I spoke with the technical recruiter directly
18:02 <@Dagmar> If they blocked it, it's something he lied to me about
18:03 <@Mirage> Yeah, so did I..at the same time ITS was telling me it wasn't being allowed, the Recruiter, the EAI HR person, Bari, Chet, and Steve all thought that it was.
18:05 <@Mirage> Personally, I'd reach out to Bari also and ask about an exit interview.  I didnt get one and Wilbur's was BS...so neither of us were able to do anything to try to make anything better (except for ourselves by leaving)
18:10 <@aestetix> Dagmar: want a job?
18:10 <@aestetix> Come to the bay area
18:11 <@Dagmar> There's admin positions there now?
18:11 <@Mirage> You might entice him with that.
18:11 <@Dagmar> Last time I looked half of San Francisco was still unemployed
18:11 <@Mirage> I mentioned comeing to Dallas and didn't get any nibbles
18:11 <@aestetix> well yes, the half that are artists and non tech workers
18:11 <@Dagmar> I'm not interested in moving someplace filled with hot
18:12 <@Mirage> Yeah, and CA isn't hot at all...
18:12 <@Dagmar> San Francisco isn't.
18:12 <@Dagmar> It barely even _has_ weather by Tennessee standards
18:12 <@Dagmar> It's like a high of 80 and a low of 45 for the entire goddam year
18:13 <@Dagmar> They got some actual rain once a few years ago...
18:13 <@Dagmar> Like, two inches over the course of two days, and people were talking about government-issued sandbags
18:14 <@Mirage> Oh, BT is coming to the Lizard Lounge in Dec..looking forward to that.
18:14 <@Dagmar> He's good live
18:16 <@Dagmar> Do either of you remember WTF the cause was of Nagios fucking it's stylesheet up?
18:16 <@Mirage> Did it get updated?
18:16 <@Dagmar> No.
18:16 <@Dagmar> Fuck.  This is probably it.  "<object type="audio/x-wav" data="/nagios/media/hostdown.wav" height="-" width="0">"
18:16 <@Mirage> Lat time I remember that happening was last time it got updated.
18:17 <@Dagmar> When did "-" become a valid value for that?
18:17 <@Mirage> Who knows.
18:17 <@Mirage> Surely that's been there forever
18:17 <@Dagmar> Yeah but it's only there when Nagios needs to chirp about something
18:18 <@Dagmar> It's the only thing in there that could be making the browser insert about nine inches of empty space at the top of that frame
18:18 <@Dagmar> My response to the NOC or anyone else about that is "No, I won't just go find out what's causing it.  I will fix it when I have permission to _fix it_"
18:18 <@Mirage> I don't remember that..
18:19 <@Dagmar> ...because Seans' going to try and expand the scope of whatever I do into including entirely rebuilding the box and packagizing as RPMS
18:19 <@Dagmar> and I bet the shit will try and make issue of the fact that I skipped his meeting on how to build RPMs because I was helping the Exchange admins get a few days' worth of work done in a few hours
18:20 <@Dagmar> ...at which point I will tear his heart out of his chest and eat it.
18:20 <@Mirage> There are already rpms..we just didn't use them because at the time they didn't work for what we needed.
18:20 <@Dagmar> If he wants to question my ability to build packaages, THERE WILL BE BLOOD.
18:20 <@Dagmar> Oh I'm sure there are packages
18:21 <@Mirage> rpmbuild is pretty tricky to type...
18:21 <@Dagmar> HOwever, what's on the box presently is a Milliken Special configuration
18:21 <@Dagmar> It's not packagized and I wouldn't count on anything working if we just blindly transitioned over, not because he did anything wrong, but because all the various extra bits will not be in the places the package will expect them
18:22 <@Mirage> True..I fixed some when i moved it off noc-apps, but i couldn't only do so much without breaking the customizations that were in place...which was 'beyond the scope...'
18:22 <@Dagmar> Suddenly, what would be a tiny one-off becomes a major bureaucratic boondoggle requireing weeks and signoffs from a dozen managers
18:22 <@Dagmar> Sound familiar?
18:23 <@Dagmar> In fact, I expect that if I even discuss it in front of Sean, at some point he's going to spout off unsolicited "You know there's packages for that" and I'm going to jump down his throat about it
18:23 <@Dagmar> I'm sick of that shit as well.
18:23 <@aestetix> http://flavorwire.com/419194/the-50-scariest-books-of-all-time/view-all/
18:23 <@Dagmar> Just because there's packages doesn't mean they're going to solve the actual problems
18:24 <@Dagmar> If they just shut the fuck up and take option three (get the fuck out of my way) I'd have that all sorted in a week and the transition would be seamless.  It would even be documented.
18:24 <@Dagmar> ...but what they're going to do is demand that I document everything I do before I so much as start working on a prototype.
18:24 <@Dagmar> That's not going to happen.
18:25 <@Dagmar> I will refuse.
18:25 <@Dagmar> Actually, now I know what I'm going to do with all thsee 3x5 cards I have here.
18:25 <@Dagmar> I'm going to write predictions for the future and keep them in my pocket handy.
18:26 <@Dagmar> I probably won't have to carefully place more than two or three of them in front of people to make them shut up and get out of my hair
18:26 <@Dagmar> First one: "Someone will blame the 'SMTP layer'.  They will be entirely wrong."
18:36 <@Mirage> lol.
18:36 <@Mirage> ok..i'm going home
19:03 <@Dagmar> OH man you have to read this http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2013/10/09/an-open-letter-to-stephen-colbert-and-colbert-nation/
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19:58 <@Evilpig> damn does this sound tasty and like a flaming bunghole later.
19:58 <@Evilpig>  Can You Handle it Roll 13.95 Fresh salmon cucumber, pineapple habanero sauce, soy paper inside topped with seared Cajun tuna, jalapenos and hot sauce. 
20:07 <@aestetix> hmm
20:07 <@aestetix> is there anywhere I can download/watch the entire watergate hearings?
20:07 <@aestetix> youtube only has clips
20:13 <@Evilpig> library of congress doesn't have it?
20:13 <@Evilpig> they have a large selection of videos now
20:15 <@Evilpig> tip for the night, the tech support people at spring don't think it's funny when they tell you that your microcell is currently undergoing a firmware and you suggest rapidly unplugging it and plugging it back in several times
20:16 <@Evilpig> s/firmware/firmware\ update/
20:16 <@aestetix> hmm
20:21 <@Dagmar> lol
20:39 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: btw, damn you.  I'm still watching the adventures of no chin and family detective
20:40 <@Bahhumbug> Excellent!
20:41 <@Evilpig> meep meep meep
21:18 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: after you watch the one from tonight.  tell me how the car got gas while it was being towed
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21:30 <@aestetix> Shadow404: where is mr dns when I need him
21:32 < RangerZ> in bed with with mrs. reverse DNS
21:33 <@aestetix> lol
21:33 <@aestetix> anyone know how to set up reverse DNS for internal ip addresses?
21:35 <@aestetix> lets assume half are 10.12 and half are 10.13
21:36 <@Evilpig> 0.12.10.in-addr.arpa.
22:03 <@Evilpig> well fuck a duck
22:03 <@Evilpig> airrave is here, wont' get a gps lock so it can't setup service
22:03 <@Evilpig> there is no debug information available for me to poke at to see if it is getting any signal or what so they are just sending me another
22:04 <@Evilpig> meanwhile my phone sitting on my desk right next to the damn thing is getting a 9 satelite lock
22:09 <@Evilpig> owww my head
22:09 <@Evilpig> "well sir lets hope when you get the replacement device teh satelites are in a better position to get a lock for you"
22:10 <@Evilpig> ummm.. what?
22:40 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: ping
22:40 <@SuMo_D> pongy
22:40 <@SuMo_D> sup
22:41 <@aestetix> lemme know if/when you have time to chat about nyms :)
22:41 <@SuMo_D> yars!
22:41 <@SuMo_D> lemme look at the slide decks and tomorrow I think will be better... I'm still pretty sick/headcold and its lateish here
22:41 <@aestetix> ok cool no worries
22:41 <@SuMo_D> and then we can get to da werk
22:42 <@SuMo_D> \m/
22:42 <@aestetix> do you think having a set of maybe 10 minute videos would be useful?
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22:51 <@SuMo_D> yeah
22:51 <@SuMo_D> how do you plan on deploying the course?
22:52 <@SuMo_D> I guess that'd determine that factor
22:53 <@aestetix> and back
22:53 <@SuMo_D> also depends what quality the videos are.... great information can suffer from bad production... people get distracted
22:53 <@aestetix> yes, yes
22:53 <@aestetix> I have a few friends that do video production
22:53 <@aestetix> I could ask them
22:53 <@SuMo_D> cool
22:54 <@Evilpig> LOL
22:54 <@Evilpig> okay... elementary tonight is cracking my shit up.  the writers have clearly been to 4chan
22:54 <@Evilpig> they're blackmailing holmes and demanding a picture of him with "shoe on head"
22:54 < RangerZ> nice... 136$ round trip to cleveland and back this weekend, leaving in 3hrs through greyhound onthe new busses with legroom and wifi
22:55 < RangerZ> and more important... power outlet, lol
22:55 < RangerZ> Evilpig: nice
22:55 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: that said, I can throw together a list of concepts and we can see how it flows together
22:56 <@SuMo_D> sounds awesome
22:56 <@SuMo_D> and yeah think how you'd want to do it - like a course where people work through it themselves and then respond on a forum? Or do you want to have biweekly webinars that kind of thing
22:57 <@aestetix> Well, I like starting simple.
22:57 <@aestetix> So putting out a series of videos (and maybe exercizes)
22:57 <@aestetix> and if there's feedback, then build on it.
22:58 <@aestetix> I'm making two assumptions: nobody has any free time, and the free time they have will not match up with my free time :)
22:58 <@SuMo_D> yar
22:58 <@SuMo_D> sounds good
22:59 < RangerZ> aestetix: we make our free time match yours, but only because SuMo_D wants us to
23:00 <@SuMo_D> yes.... I do it with my minds
23:00 <@SuMo_D> and the sign of the vagina
23:05 < RangerZ> http://www.cracked.com/article_19909_6-famous-symbols-that-dont-mean-what-you-think.html
23:05 < GateKeeper> Title: 6 Famous Symbols That Don't Mean What You Think | Cracked.com (at www.cracked.com)
23:05 < RangerZ> #6. The Jesus Fish Is a Vagina
23:10 <@Dickie> What isn't?
23:11 <@Evilpig> only sheldon would refer to someone watching raiders of the lost ark for the first time as losing their virginity
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23:31 < RangerZ> https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/13310-Citizen-Con-2013-Live-Stream first look at guild/corp/etc structure
23:31 < GateKeeper> Title: Citizen Con 2013 - Live Stream - Roberts Space Industries (at robertsspaceindustries.com)
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