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02:34 <@Catonic> redundant internets... om nom nom nom nom
02:34 <@Evilpig> I think i'm gonna let bellsouth know about your transgressions with verizon
02:36 <@Catonic> they will know tomorrow when I get the DSL shut off
02:36 <@Evilpig> good enough.  saves me a phone call
02:37 <@Catonic> seeing as how I pay by the day and not by the MB, I should download 150GB of stuff right meow through hellsouth
02:39 <@Catonic> brb
02:41 <@Evilpig> notlarry: wake the fuck up
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04:04 <@Evilpig> notlarry: I have your request finished.  http://phreaknic.info
04:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Sooper srs guise (at phreaknic.info)
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06:57 <@Shadow404> aestetix: yes, now
06:57 <@Shadow404> i do sleep
06:57 <@Evilpig> lies
06:57  * Shadow404 kicks Evilpig 
06:58 <@Evilpig> resorting to violence to reinforce his lies
07:00 <@Shadow404> your right, i am a machine from the future, i have a nuclear power core and can crush metal with my bare hands
07:00 <@Evilpig> more lies
07:00 <@Shadow404> submit or perish
07:02 <@Shadow404> aestetix: doing some research, it depends on how your primary namesevers handles the delegation....most should just push queries for the sub staight to the delegated nameservers. On the other hand, the primary sometimes answers the query itself and asks the delegated server for the record, which in this case, it doesnt recognize cert which is annoying in your case
07:02 <@Shadow404> woot, boss is gone all week, time for netflix and youtube
07:03 <@Evilpig> hookers and blow
07:03 <@Shadow404> the other teams in the office might get jealous if they dont get their cut, so no
07:04 <@Shadow404> aestetix: is it possible to move the root domain and the sub to the nameserver that supports cert? or is there some red tape?
07:17 <@aestetix> Shadow404: yes, I am thinking rackspace is the issue right now
07:25 <@Shadow404> yes ok to move the primary? or yes red tape?
07:50 <@aestetix> yes to red tape
07:50 <@aestetix> sadly
07:52 <@Shadow404> yeah, red tape sucks
08:09 <@aestetix> basically the only access I really have on the primary dns for our domain is adding and deleting records
08:15 <@Bahhumbug> Shadow404: You're from the future?  Then we're doomed as people from the future _still_ can't differentiate between "your" and "you're" :(
08:15 <@Shadow404> have you considered calling rackspace and talking with them?
08:15 <@Shadow404> Bahhumbug: Bahhumbug
08:15 <@Shadow404> have you not noticed that grammar/spelling is getting worse every generation?
08:15 <@Bahhumbug> Indeed I have.
08:16 <@Shadow404> especially the texting generation'
08:16 <@Bahhumbug> However, kudos on spelling "grammar" properly.
08:16 <@Shadow404> i ignore youtube comments nowadays cause it makes my head hurt
08:18 <@Bahhumbug> Same here; since I can't reach through the intertubes and choke someone ignoring them is the easiest course.
08:24 <@aestetix> Shadow404: I might do that in a bit. I was up for 30 hours yesterday :/
08:25 <@aestetix> you know
08:25 <@aestetix> I'm pretty sure youtube comments are all generated by a bot
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10:09 <@Shadow404> Catonic: you awake?
10:09 <@Shadow404> aestetix: call them yet?
10:30 <@Evilpig> fucker won't get me a business internet account setup without having something that shows a business is there.  any bill, etc...  wtf assclown?
10:31 <@Evilpig> I won't have shit showing that address 1) because i'm still in nashville, 2) my company barely turns a dollar in business for the year to begin with
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10:38 <@eryc> http://2.images.tosh.comedycentral.com/blog/2013/09/OktoberfestCapChall.jpg
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10:51 < notlarry> Evilpig: bill me for shell service in jersey and fax a copy of the invoice to that guy
10:56 <@Evilpig> I got it taken care of.  I called their general sales line and talked to a nice girl that got it all straight
10:56 <@Evilpig> I think the dickhead that is the rep for the apt complex I am moving into was pissed that he isn't getting the sale because he's residential only and was just making things difficult
10:57 <@Evilpig> install confirmed for monday between 8 and 11.  I could have gotten a saturday install but since I still don't know what my status of having to work friday is I can't guarantee a time on saturday...
10:58 <@Dagmar> Vanderbilt Douchebaggery Of The Day: Woods put in a ticket complaining that the accounts on the bastion hosts aren't in sync.  I closed the ticket stating "Perhaps if we didn't have people who aren't admins messing around with accounts this would not be a problem"
10:58 <@Evilpig> notlarry: did you see your 1) picture to show the cameras?  2) pn site change?
10:58 <@Dagmar> *Done*.
10:58 <@Evilpig> what concern is it of his about those servers?  he's over the datacenters right?
10:59 <@Dagmar> I will be damned if I'll accept responsibility for the stupid shit they have underqualified people doing trying to pretend this shit can be done by just anyone
10:59 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: That's the other thing that's the reason I'm vocally doing "not a damn thing" about this ticket
10:59 <@Evilpig> did you see my handwork in the noc this morning by any chance?
10:59 <@Dagmar> I've already closed it, and I *dare* someone to come after me about it
11:00 < notlarry> very nice
11:00 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: nope.  Didn't go by there.
11:01 <@Dagmar> One of the more obvious signs they've had people other than an admin fucking with these things, the gecos field on two of these accounts doesn't match what's in LDAP
11:01 <@Dagmar> Troy and I both *always* populated accounts based on LDAP info
11:01 <@Shadow404> please confirm new ISP will maintain sla
11:01 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: yar, they'll allow me to shit in a box and attempt to mail it to you
11:01 <@Dagmar> Nice
11:01 <@Shadow404> woot
11:03 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: of the important bits.  my server will go down sometime friday and won't be back online until monday.
11:03 <@Shadow404> ok, good to know, i dont usually use irc on the weekend anyway
11:03 <@Shadow404> wish i could help you move, but geogrpahically, alas i can not
11:04 <@Evilpig> girl was all confused on what hardware i'd need for one static ip vs a block of 5.  she said I'd need a modem and a router.  I told her I have a perfectly capable router, yada yada yada.  she was confused
11:04 <@Evilpig> difference in price for 1 vs 5 is $10 a month
11:04 <@Evilpig> ipv6 not available currently
11:05 <@Shadow404> damn, what's the isp?
11:05 <@Shadow404> i wish comcast did that, but you have to be a business, but realy dont want to go the private business route
11:06 <@Evilpig> I have business service with comcrap
11:06 <@Evilpig> and they do things fucking bizare
11:06 <@Evilpig> do you realize I have a /30 for my current static
11:06 <@Evilpig> ?
11:07 <@Shadow404> damn
11:07 <@Evilpig> yes.  really.  a /30
11:07 <@Shadow404> they waste so much
11:07 <@Shadow404> hell, i have dynamic IP and it never changes
11:07 <@Evilpig> we're running out of ipv4 space and these assclowns are wasting address space
11:07 <@Shadow404> only if i reboot my modem
11:07 <@Dagmar> lol
11:07 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: well, tbh i see what they're doing
11:08 <@Evilpig> I can make an argument for it as well, BUT.....
11:08 <@Shadow404> they are making it look "in use" giving you the /30
11:08 <@Shadow404> so they can retain the space
11:08 <@Evilpig> with proper planning and management they can reclaim a shitload of space wasted on broadcast and routing nodes
11:08 <@Shadow404> and then if they start running out, they can prune the space and give you the 5 your paying for ONLY
11:08 <@Dagmar> That isn't going to work
11:09 <@Dagmar> Those fuckers don't even know how to do static routing.  You think they stand a chance in hell of getting their more idiotic customers converted over?
11:09 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: /30 is two usable addresses...
11:09 <@Dagmar> To to mention this "new" space is going to be in pairs of addresses scattered all over
11:09 <@Shadow404> oh, i was thinking how they do it here
11:10 <@Shadow404> you get 5 if you pay for static as standard
11:10 <@Evilpig> a /30 is fully routable as long as you can get the routing setup to it, but you're wasting a shitload of ip space to do it.
11:10 <@Shadow404> hell, i can even get the fuckers to fix their modem im leasing to open port 80
11:10 <@Shadow404> and ive proved it
11:11 <@Shadow404> they keep wanting me to purchase signature support to get someone with common sense to fix it
11:11 <@Dagmar> Solution: Stop leasing
11:11 <@Evilpig> you're on comcast with residential.  they have it in the TOS now that you can't run a webserver on 80
11:11 <@Shadow404> *can't even
11:11 <@Dagmar> The only reason they're getting away with that is it's getting the same TFTP configuration as the other units they also own
11:11 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: not what they say when i call and speak to a manager
11:11 <@Shadow404> so i wanted to replace my modem im leasing with one i purchased
11:12 <@Shadow404> again, signature support
11:12 <@Evilpig> then go the dagmar route and buy a modem.  ~$70 off newegg
11:12 <@Shadow404> yeah, i did, its in the compatible list
11:12 <@Dagmar> If you own the modem, they don't have a legal leg to stand on if they change parts of your configuration which are material to your setup
11:12 <@Shadow404> but the last 3 times i called, i get the indian lady that doesnt know shit
11:12 <@Dagmar> ...like the monitoring interface on the cablemodem.
11:12 <@Evilpig> just plug it up and connect a laptop to it
11:12 <@Evilpig> it should autosetup
11:12 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: You know how I got them to turn mine *back on* after they disabled it?>
11:12 <@Shadow404> how?
11:13 <@Evilpig> once it sees their network you'll get a page to log into your comcrap account and it will associate it with your account
11:13 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: in my area, they access by mac
11:14 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: I pointed out very clearly that by altering the configuration of my cablemodem that way, that they were exceeding their authorized access and were in violation of the CFAA.  I cited chapter, verse, and line, and made it very goddamn clear they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court if it got that far, and that it was a felony.
11:14 <@Evilpig> I found out that I can have two modems both active on my account here because of that self-service page.
11:14 <@Shadow404> hmm, ill have to try that
11:14 <@Dagmar> My equipment == I call the shots.  They don't even have a decent technical reason why they should turn off the management interface
11:15 <@Dagmar> They just don't want idiots (like they have room to judge) seeing what it says and calling them about the mangled syslog and questionable signal strength figures
11:15 <@Shadow404> yep, cause the people you speak to dont know shit about that anyways
11:16 <@Shadow404> and will just create a ticket or try to get you to purchase tier2 support
11:16 <@Dagmar> The magic word is "escalate".
11:16 <@Shadow404> tried that, same result, ask for a manager, 5 minute hold and magical disconnect
11:16 <@Dagmar> Keep repeating it until you're talking to a manager.  ...and yah you can qualify that by saying "Who is it you're able to fire?"
11:17 <@Shadow404> it doesnt help i lost my cool last time i called
11:17 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: When they answer, say "Hello, yournamehere.  I have a problem that you can't solve and importantly for you, you didn't personally cause so you don't need to worry about.  I need to speak to your manager, yournamehere."
11:17 <@Shadow404> not a bad idea
11:18 <@Dagmar> It won't eliminate magical disconnects, but it will radically reduce their frequency.
11:18 <@Dagmar> It's equally helpful when you make it clear that the problem you have is not _their_ problem, so that they're not in any trouble.
11:18 <@Dagmar> Most of these people absolutely hate their managers.
11:18 <@Evilpig> guess I should try to get back to sleep now.
11:19  * Evilpig isn't too fond of his manager
11:19 <@Evilpig> email go down the hole....
11:19 <@Shadow404> oh, did you spill the beans?
11:19 <@Shadow404> about the shit going on?
11:19 <@Shadow404> or that is for the last day?
11:20 <@Evilpig> no. email to my manager always goes down the hole
11:20 <@Evilpig> much like light from a black hole, it goes in but doesn't come out
11:20 <@Shadow404> what? i thought you were gonna go face to face with the cto
11:21 <@Evilpig> I'd love to, but I can't even get a definitive answer on when my final day is
11:24 <@Evilpig> well fuck. since i'm up I might as well call and fight with comcrap
11:27 <@Shadow404> have fun
11:37 <@Evilpig> wrong dept.  #1
11:40 <@Shadow404> and did you get disconnected?
11:48 <@Evilpig> working on it
11:48 <@Evilpig> "we require 30 days notice to disconnect this"
11:48 <@Evilpig> no you don't.  yes sir we do.  you have to sign this and we'll disconnect it 30 days later
11:48 <@Evilpig> "I don't give a fuck what you do, i'm turning the equipment in on friday and it needs to be terminated then"
11:51 < notlarry> Evilpig: I really like the new page.  Thanks, nice work.
11:54 <@Evilpig> np
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13:07 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Don't bet on an exit interview..I didn't get one.
13:08 <@Dickie> comcrap once transferred me to their key west offices
13:08 <@Dickie> the customer rep was very confused, and kept asking me why I called key west
13:09 <@Mirage> Sadly I used to get better support when I called and wound up w/ some Canadian support center than if I got someone actually in Nashville
13:09 <@Dickie> I kept telling him the call was transferred
13:09 <@Dickie> the guy that finally cut my service was pretty cool, just talked to me like a normal guy
13:09 <@Dickie> told him the bullshit I had to put up with and he was all "whelp, that sucks, man"
13:09 <@Dickie> He probably got fired for that
13:28 <@Evilpig> Mirage: i'm not counting on one.  I have a pretty good idea that they don't want to hear anything out of my mouth because then they'd have a nice record of the failure
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14:14 <@oddball> Good news is that you won't get a Nashville person for cable modem support anymore... they moved that call center to Knoxville.
14:18 <@Corydon76-work> Evilpig: I thought you were transferring your service, not terminating it.
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14:52 <@Evilpig> Corydon76-work: After half a dozen phone calls I finally got someone to verify that they didn't have coverage there
14:52 <@Corydon76-work> Well, that sucks
15:05 <@Mirage> Evilpig: When I talked to the Business Accounts guy about getting mine turned off, he fed me some line about how they would _find_ a way to continue providing your service, even if they didn't have their own presence in the area.
15:05 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Personally i think he was full of it.
15:06 <@oddball> I might be curious enough to call them on that.
15:18 <@Evilpig> Mirage: haha.  i'd love to hear that line out of them.  they didn't even offer.  then again they didn't give me shit about my contract like they did you
15:18 <@Evilpig> I got none of the "auto-renewing" bullshit
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15:20 <@Mirage> that's good.
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16:20 < SuMo_D> hey guys... raspi runs a version of Debian right? as in - I have some kids working from raspis on our beginning arduino session tonight
16:20 < SuMo_D> I'd direct them to to the Debian install instructions?
16:21 < SuMo_D> notlarry do you know?
16:22 <@Bahhumbug> Might want to look at http://www.raspbian.org/ - raspbian is a debian rebuild specifically for the Rpi's arm variant.
16:22 < GateKeeper> Title: FrontPage - Raspbian (at www.raspbian.org)
16:23 <@Bahhumbug> https://wiki.debian.org/RaspberryPi
16:23 < GateKeeper> Title: RaspberryPi - Debian Wiki (at wiki.debian.org)
17:00 < notlarry> SuMo_D: yes, the primary (they call it n00b iso i think) install is debian
17:01 < notlarry> there is also a risc
17:01 < SuMo_D> cool thanks guys
17:01 < notlarry> and don't forget the port of xbmc to the pi
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17:02 < SuMo_D> one of our other teachers was the one who set up the pis that kids bought through us, I think they are on dbian or raspian - we have a few on xbmc
17:02 < notlarry> Damn I want to learn ardiuno
17:02 < SuMo_D> its not hard...
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17:02 < SuMo_D> if I can do it, you can do it with your eyes closed
17:03 < SuMo_D> its a weird bastadarized version of C++/C
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17:04 < SuMo_D> my friend was trying to teach me some of the CS theory behind it all Friday... and I was like... yeah... I need to get 10 year olds to figure out how to program a Matrix Tuesday... this is all awesome... but... errr.. need to come back to it.
17:04 < SuMo_D> I think I have enough to get them going
17:04 < notlarry> I really need a goal.  I've never had an issue learning to code, as long as i had a goal.
17:05 < SuMo_D> instructables is full of goals
17:52 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: what's the issue?
17:52 <@aestetix> giving them a project for inspiration?
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18:50 <@benthemeek> ls
18:54 < RangerZ> ./ /pr0n /appz /warez /clownPron
18:54 <@Bahhumbug> clownpron?
18:55 <@Bahhumbug> What the hell is wrong with you?
18:55 < RangerZ> I was just trying to emulate what ben would have
19:01 < SuMo_D> aestetix - no problems, just trying to get them up and running with arduino cross platforms + figuring out how to tell them all how to install the Adafruit_GFX libraries -
19:01 < SuMo_D> seemed to go well -
19:17 <@Evilpig> damnit.  RangerZ stop proxying my ftp to the channel
19:21 < RangerZ> Evilpig: thats fine
19:22 <@Evilpig> can't say I like slashdot's new layout
19:23 <@Bahhumbug> s/ new layout//
19:25 <@Evilpig> they stumble across a nut once in a while
19:41 < SuMo_D> So... for PN next year
19:41 < SuMo_D> http://www.graffitiresearchlab.com/blog/projects/laser-tag/
19:41 < SuMo_D> this needs to happen
19:41 <@Evilpig> nifty.
19:49 < SuMo_D> lol this is awesome http://www.graffitiresearchlab.com/blog/projects/projection-beef/#video
19:50 < RangerZ> youtube account been killed
19:50 < RangerZ> video doesn't work for me
19:50 < SuMo_D> its not youtube... its quicktime
19:50 < SuMo_D> hosted on their site... but yeah that may be why
19:51 < SuMo_D> grr quicktime
19:51 <@Bahhumbug> People still use quicktime?  Why?
19:51 < SuMo_D> nah... these are old
19:52 < SuMo_D> GRL has been shut down for awhile... James went to China... did some hacker stuff... got imprisoned, got freed, married a girl in Korea and had a baby..
19:52 < SuMo_D> but they still have some great projects and videos up
19:53 < RangerZ> there is a link saying "youtube link" etc
19:53 < SuMo_D> really?
19:53 < RangerZ> and thats what I tried, b/c OBVIOUSLY I don't have quicktime installed, lol
19:53 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPLBdwbFuvw
19:53 < GateKeeper> Title: Ovaries Get Damaged When Women Drive, Says Saudi Sheik - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
19:54 < SuMo_D> Dude... I lived in Saudi Arabia as a kid
19:54 < SuMo_D> Saudi drivers are nuts
19:55 <@Dickie> I know. Women drivers, am I right?
19:55 <@Dagmar> *b00m* http://i.imgur.com/5F0bJE7.jpg
19:55 < RangerZ> Dagmar: nice
19:55 < SuMo_D> yar
19:55 <@Dagmar> Mothafuckin' WATERBOARDING TIME!
20:02 <@Evilpig> got a chick coming by tomorrow to fill out an application for my apt.
20:02 <@Evilpig> as long as that works out then all is good
20:09 < SuMo_D> woo!
20:09 < SuMo_D> when's your departure?
20:09 <@Evilpig> right now i'm thinking friday night
20:09 < SuMo_D> cool! you'll have some nice days before the evil white stuff starts falling from the sky
20:10 <@Evilpig> what's evil about white stuff?
20:10 <@Evilpig> it's cooling, it kills evil allergens...
20:16 <@Dickie> o_O
20:16 <@Evilpig> no dickie, you can't come with.  
20:17 <@Dickie> I come however I want
20:19 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: Have you ever lived up north?
20:19 <@Evilpig> nope.  always in the south of some variety, but i've always loved the snow
20:19 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect you won't have that love for much longer.
20:20 < RangerZ> ehh
20:20 <@Evilpig> I look forward to proving you wrong on that
20:20 < RangerZ> I still love snow, and grew up in Ohio, just outside the 'snow belt'
20:20 < RangerZ> in the 'ice belt'
20:20 <@Bahhumbug> Uh-huh.
20:20 <@Bahhumbug> That's still not the north.
20:20 < RangerZ> um...
20:20 < RangerZ> yes it is
20:21 <@Dagmar> Nashville is ready to change your mind.
20:21 < RangerZ> not 'north east' yes
20:21 <@Evilpig> lol  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Q-J5FnLrU
20:21 <@Dagmar> This is the "power lines get ripped the fuck down"-belt
20:21 < GateKeeper> Title: Party spots two in bedroom after hooking up - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:21 < RangerZ> but 'north', yes
20:21 <@Dickie> They fought for the union
20:21 <@Dickie> North
20:22 <@Bahhumbug> Hi.  This is 2013.  That sort of reference is next to useless in this day and age.
20:22 <@Evilpig> unless you're from the south
20:22 < RangerZ> and it borders intl. border... so yeah, north, lol
20:22 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: not in the south it isn't
20:22 <@Dagmar> G+ is weird
20:22  * Dickie never forgot
20:23 <@Dagmar> Three days this week I've gotten notifications that random people are now following me in circles
20:23 <@Dagmar> Like, not local people.
20:23  * Evilpig knows the love of sweet tea and the war of northern aggression
20:23 <@Bahhumbug> Perhaps the south should learn it lost one of these days and get the fuck over it.
20:23 <@Dagmar> I know I'm strange, but still.
20:23 <@Dickie> Dagmar: I get that all the time
20:23 <@Dickie> Bahhumbug: that would be surrender
20:23 <@Dickie> these colors don't run
20:23 <@Dagmar> Looks like Samolis may be coming by Friday
20:23 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: Yeah... not going to happen
20:23 <@Bahhumbug> No, that would be "got its fucking ass handed to it".
20:24  * Dickie will rise again
20:24 <@Bahhumbug> Pervert.
20:24 < RangerZ> that ED still bothering you?
20:25 <@oddball> I've lived here since I was 5, and I'm still a damn carbetbagger that came down here and stole one of the South's women according to some.
20:25 <@Evilpig> http://blog.dustinkirkland.com/2013/10/fingerprints-are-user-names-not.html
20:25 < GateKeeper> Title: From the Canyon Edge: Fingerprints are Usernames, not Passwords (at blog.dustinkirkland.com)
20:25 <@Dagmar> GTA v at 66% and it's still coming up with lols
20:25 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, they can get over it, too :)
20:25 <@Evilpig> fuckin' carpet bagger.
20:26 <@Dagmar> Michael's daughter revealed she is a star in rather vague terms
20:26 <@Dagmar> She had a stalker daddy needed to deal with
20:26 <@Dagmar> Chasing him down the street trying to ram his car off the road she's yelling "YEAH!  NOW YOU SEE WHAT IT'S LIKE TO GET FUCKED IN THE ASS!"
20:26 < RangerZ> GTA5 for PC comes out fairly soon
20:26 <@Dagmar> Daddy goes into a conversation about how well denial works.
20:26 <@Evilpig> dunno why.  but I read that and looked at oddball and had to think for a sec if he had a daughter
20:27 <@Dagmar> I giggled until tears were in my eyes over that subject change
20:29 <@Dagmar> Now the only thing to do is wait for Rule 34 to make that video a reality
20:29 <@Dagmar> I suspect we're not going to find that video in an easter egg.
20:32 <@Evilpig> haha pat and carl in here giving me shit
20:37 <@oddball> Has Ed recieved the Santa?
20:38 <@Dagmar> Yep
20:38 <@Evilpig> I heard someone shoved it into the NOC and ran like a coward citing singing
20:38 <@Dagmar> Dude it's LOUD
20:38 <@Dagmar> ...and those *speakers*.  *shudder*
20:39 <@Dagmar> If anyone makes one of those things without a shitty five cent speaker in it, it'll probably make CNN.
20:43 <@oddball> heh
20:43 <@oddball> ...yeah...
20:45 <@oddball> And once it starts, it's either let it play or smash it with a hammer.
20:45 <@Evilpig> http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197969379534/badges/15
20:45 < GateKeeper> Title: Steam Community :: Steam Badges :: Steam Hardware Beta Candidate (at steamcommunity.com)
20:45 <@Dagmar> heh
20:46 < SuMo_D> hmmm
20:47 <@Evilpig> only 285k people want to beta test the new steam controllers
20:47 < RangerZ> nice
20:47 < RangerZ> ohh wait, doesn't mean you 'are' testing, just that you're enrolled
20:49 < RangerZ> I need two more friends on steam to enroll in that
20:49 < RangerZ> side effect of playing single player games, lol
20:49 < SuMo_D> exploit your friends for the possibility of the privilege  of doing free work!
20:49 < SuMo_D> yea!
20:49 < RangerZ> free hardware
20:49 < SuMo_D> possibility
20:49 < SuMo_D> of
20:50 < SuMo_D> but yeah that makes it a little better
20:50 < RangerZ> and only 'possibility of' free work
20:50 < SuMo_D> first part still stands
20:50 < RangerZ> ehh
20:51 < RangerZ> filling out some online forms is worth a steam box to me
20:51 < RangerZ> since they will be 1000$ or something
20:51 <@Evilpig> Bah.  I need to hookup a gamepad to my pc at home to finish this last bit
20:52 < RangerZ> ahh, that was the easiest part for me, since 360 controllers work well
20:52 < RangerZ> and I have wired one for PC
20:54 <@oddball> Hmmm... I need to add some friends.
20:54 <@Dagmar> evildagmar, add away
20:55 <@oddball> done :)
20:56 <@Dagmar> Accepted
21:01 <@oddball> Let's see... I think I can use one of my XBox 360 controllers as a gamepad.
21:02 <@Evilpig> oddball: I think you have me already.  but mine is wilpig
21:02 <@Dagmar> GTA-like games are fucking impossible without one
21:02 <@oddball> Yeah... I've sent an invite to you.
21:02 <@oddball> Eh.  I've done pretty well with those games with a keyboard and mouse.
21:03 <@Evilpig> oddball: you can add BenTheMeek as well
21:03 <@oddball> At least with Saints Row 3 and 4.  GTA 4 was annoying.
21:03 <@oddball> ah, right.
21:03 <@Evilpig> Notlarry is Angrylemming
21:03 <@Evilpig> IcePho3nix is kelly I think
21:04 <@Evilpig> oh and if you want Goat21 he's Halecorpsecurity
21:05 < SuMo_D> OOoOOo http://rhizome.org/editorial/2013/oct/1/tiny-self-contained-darknet/
21:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Rhizome | Occupy.here: A tiny, self-contained darknet (at rhizome.org)
21:06 < SuMo_D> Evilpig if you head up on Friday you could get to the workshop on Sunday?
21:07 <@Evilpig> The plan for right now is to be unpacking on sunday.  gonna schedule the movers for sunday in any case
21:08 < SuMo_D> cool
21:08 < RangerZ> this sunday?
21:08 <@Dagmar> http://www.shoddycast.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Elder-Scrolls-El
21:08 <@Evilpig> yeah
21:08 <@Dagmar> SuMo_D: That is *exactly* the kind of shit that kept me away from the Occupy stuff at the time
21:09 < SuMo_D> why Dagmar?
21:09 <@Dagmar> SuMo_D: I can think of no better way for a hacker to get people gunning for them than building those kinds of things--and it is both easy and obvious to us
21:09 < SuMo_D> ah... yeah.. that
21:09 <@Dagmar> Yep
21:09 < SuMo_D> I figured it was the obvious factor
21:10 <@Dagmar> I was like, if I show up and the fuckin' feds even *see* me, I'm going to get a probe up my virtual ass
21:10 <@Dagmar> ...because that's the kind of shit we build for giggles
21:10 < SuMo_D> right
21:10 < SuMo_D> from what I understood, and the people I know who were involved in it... Occupy didn't have much tech going for it - lots of anti-tech actually
21:11 <@Dagmar> Yep
21:11 < SuMo_D> but the whole Ooo self contained darknet... that is cool
21:11 <@Dagmar> I'm also pretty sure a lot of people came to the same conclusions as me
21:11 < SuMo_D> yeah, I was in a hospital bed most of the time Occupy was going on
21:11 <@Dagmar> The lengths to which police intrusion was currently going would have gone straight to stripping everyone of all their tech in addition to spraying them with chemical weapons
21:12 < SuMo_D> well... that and the insider informants... one two punch
21:12 <@Dagmar> A fucking ad-hoc network to extend the people's mic in every direction across a broadcast medium so the people would be locally omniscient as well as omnipresent by virtue of being all over the place?  The authority types would shit bricks
21:13 <@Dagmar> THe only advantage they really think they have is being able to communicate on their own little networks
21:13 < SuMo_D> yeah... most of those have pretty much self destructed at this point from what I've heard
21:13 < SuMo_D> at least any of the ones around here
21:14 < SuMo_D> the joy of dealing with people in groups
21:16 <@Dagmar> SuMo_D: So the problem there is that with people in large groups if you reducec the efficiency of communication between the members, like with giant ass bullhorns and lights and so on, you can make the crowd stupider and more easily managed and abused
21:16 <@Dagmar> Add one ad-hoc wireless network.
21:17 <@Dagmar> Suddenly, it's a lot harder to degrade, and in the meantime... the whole thing gets a lot "smarter".
21:17 <@aestetix> vagina
21:18 <@Dagmar> So, if you're an oppressive totalitarian bunch of pricks, you might have lines of guys preparing to kettle a crowd, but with the crowd more aware of it's presence, you don't stand a fuckin' chance
21:19 < SuMo_D> aestetix, you and your vagaina - always gotta be flashing :P
21:19 <@Dagmar> There would be a drastically reduced chance of herding multiple groups to one place because that many people, more than a few of them will figure it out
21:19 <@aestetix> SuMo_D: it's so great, I can't keep it all to myself
21:19 < SuMo_D> no doubt
21:22 <@Dagmar> sumo: a few solar cells would eliminate his power problem
21:22 <@Dagmar> Something that small... one battery, a few extra bits, and a one foot square solar cell.
21:24 <@Dagmar> If someone wanted to take the network down by killing the power to the area... NOPE.
21:25 < SuMo_D> \m/
21:26 < RangerZ> dagmar, could even make the adhoc APs work in a mesh network
21:26 <@Dagmar> ...and if I can see the solution to all these vulnerabilities, I'm pretty sure there's someone in the NSA who could roll that line of logic just as quickly
21:26 < SuMo_D> probably...
21:27 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Yep and Decius's people solved the problem of manchurian routers already
21:27 < SuMo_D> but there's probably local uses, in smaller deployments
21:27 < SuMo_D> that it could still be pretty viable
21:27 <@Dagmar> SuMo_D: yeah and it's only a matter of time and _the need becoming clear_ before folks start to harden and link those
21:29 < SuMo_D> yeah
21:30 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I'd be interested to see how they did that
21:30 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: SSL certs
21:30 < RangerZ> yeah, that was the only way I could see it working
21:30 <@Dagmar> You don't necessarily need a CA to know you're talking to the same router you were talking to yesterday
21:31 < RangerZ> true
21:36 < RangerZ> original connection is still an issue
21:37 < RangerZ> but thats an unsolved issue (if you don't trust the a CA)
21:37 <@Dagmar> Yeah but there's a fairly reasonable skeletal structure available of people who actually know each other already
21:37 < RangerZ> yeah
21:38 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCCUCVAosJU <-- good stuff
21:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Reginald D Hunter Live (Full) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:40 <@Dagmar> The last part is awesome
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21:47 <@Dagmar> I need someone to explain this to me.
21:47 <@Dagmar> http://www.wtvf.com/story/23582659/government-shutdown-closes-parks-monuments
21:47 < GateKeeper> Title: Government Shutdown Closes Parks, Monuments - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports (at www.wtvf.com)
21:47 <@Dagmar> Right there in the middle...
21:47 <@Dagmar> "Dozens of goats were taken off ivy-eating duty at Fort Hancock, a recreation area in Sandy Hook, N.J. A KKK rally planned for the Gettysburg battlefield in Pennsylvania this weekend was canceled."
21:47 <@Dagmar> Are we now in some way *paying* for klansmen?
21:49 <@Evilpig> all I can say is we were paying for park rangers at the battlefield and the kkk were planning on using it like anyone else, it just made for shocking news
21:49 <@Evilpig> taking the goats off ivy duty is funny though.
21:50 <@Dagmar> That some of the NASA sites are "closed" also strikes me as surreal
21:50 <@Dagmar> Perhaps some agencies are unaware that servers generally um... don't need a paycheck
21:51 <@Dagmar> If the server is still up serving a "site temporarily closed due to shutdown" page, it's still costing the same money
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22:00 < SuMo_D> sush you and your logic
22:00 <@Evilpig> logic?  we don't allow that in here.  vaginas, yes.  logic, no.
22:01 <@Dagmar> So, amyone else playing GTAV... Have you seen *any* movie but the one Capiovalo showing?
22:01 <@Evilpig> haven't hooked the xbox back up since PN.  or the wii or anything else.  
22:02 <@Evilpig> and odds are strong that the xbox is staying here for nash2600 anyhow
22:06 < SuMo_D> Vagina!
22:09 <@Evilpig> at least you legitimately have one, unlike aestetix 
22:10 < SuMo_D> true true
22:12 <@aestetix> what
22:13 -ChanServ:#se2600- Evilpig (Wilpig) set flags +AORiorstv on SuMo_D.
22:23 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... all of the government sites are like that.  If they're closed, they're serving a page that says they're closed.
22:24 <@oddball> And I wish I was playing GTAV... but I need teh moneys.
22:26 <@oddball> Just played some GTA4 with the game pad.  Much better, but the cars are still twitchy as fuck.
22:27 <@oddball> And they slide like I'm driving on ice.
22:27 < SuMo_D> what is +AORiorstv ?
22:28 <@Evilpig> authenticate to nickserv
22:29 < SuMo_D> ah
22:29 <@Evilpig> that's chanmode "op"
22:29 < SuMo_D> yeah... I registered my nick a long long time ago... and forgot it
22:29 < SuMo_D> cause you know.... logic
22:30 <@Evilpig> not allowed
22:33 <@Bahhumbug> #freenode can send you a password reset key if you need to reclaim it; the reset key goes to the email address used when you registered with nickserv.
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22:34 <@SuMo_D> yea!
22:34 <@SuMo_D> I gotz da power - logic prevails!
22:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [-o SuMo_D] by Evilpig
22:34 <@Evilpig> now what?
22:34 <@Evilpig> where is your logic now?!
22:34 < SuMo_D> failed
22:34 < RangerZ> stop making them go to their car and cry
22:35 < SuMo_D> learning through failure...
22:35 < SuMo_D> isn't that the best part?
22:36 <@Bahhumbug> You're mean, Evilpig.
22:37 <@Bahhumbug> Or evil.
22:37 <@Bahhumbug> One of the two.
22:37 <@Evilpig> a little of both
22:37  * SuMo_D shrugs
22:37 < SuMo_D> Vagina!
22:37 <@Evilpig> it's my last night at work.  it's a good night
22:37 <@Evilpig> now if mongo will just not show up, it'll be a GREAT night
22:38 <@Bahhumbug> What would mongo do if you were to walk over and piss on him?
22:38 < SuMo_D> I had that happen to me at a festival once...
22:38 <@Bahhumbug> By mistake, of course.
22:39 <@Evilpig> o.O
22:39 < SuMo_D> kicking in shins and above is usually the knee jerk reaction
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> Some shithead in elementary school thought it would be a real funny thing to piss on me in the bathroom one day.
22:41 <@aestetix> how do you piss on someone by mistake
22:41 <@Bahhumbug> I had no problem slapping it as hard as I could and watching him writhe around on the dirty (and wet) floor with tears streaming down his face.
22:41 < SuMo_D> lol
22:41 < SuMo_D> awesome
22:41 <@Bahhumbug> I got a lot of "Doesn't play well with others" on my report cards.
22:42 <@Bahhumbug> I got in trouble for that, too.
22:42 <@Bahhumbug> Parents had to come to school for a "meeting" and everything.
22:42 <@Evilpig> you did fondle another kid
22:43 <@Evilpig> forcibly at that
22:43 <@Bahhumbug> This was in 76 or 77.
22:43 < SuMo_D> fondled with fists!
22:43 <@Bahhumbug> That wasn't even an issue.
22:43 <@Bahhumbug> No, open-handed downward slap with force.
22:43 <@Bahhumbug> Enough to crumple him to the ground instantly.
22:43 < SuMo_D> even better
22:43 < SuMo_D> great band name
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> I could have stomped on his head, but I was more concerned with the piss on my pants leg.
22:44 < SuMo_D> downward slap with force, opens for five finger death punch
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> hahahaha
22:44 <@Evilpig> thinking i might go put in some fresh contacts in a bit
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> That's amusing.
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: You _HAVE_ to do something to mongo.
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22:44 <@Bahhumbug> Pissing on him might be a bit extreme.
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> But... something.
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> Cough on him?
22:44 <@Bahhumbug> Sneeze on his desk?
22:44 <@SuMo_D> oh the power is back whaaaa
22:45 <@Bahhumbug> Replace his hand sanitizer with cat urine?
22:45 <@Evilpig> if pat wasn't here I could go rub my balls on his phone
22:45 <@Bahhumbug> Something.
22:45 <@Bahhumbug> hahahah
22:45 <@Bahhumbug> That would work.
22:45 <@Bahhumbug> I do like the hand sanitizer trick, though.
22:45 <@Bahhumbug> I bet he would cry like a baby.
22:46 <@Evilpig> i'd love to dismantle that heater he and rafiq are constantly using too
22:46 <@Evilpig> again, can't really do that with pat sitting here
22:46 <@Bahhumbug> Would pat really give a shit?
22:46 <@Bahhumbug> What's he going to do?  Have you fired?
22:47 <@Evilpig> just don't want to put my last check into some type of limbo
22:47 <@Evilpig> brb getting some ice
22:51 <@Bahhumbug> Is this pat a manager type?
22:51 <@Bahhumbug> Is he the one responsible for the fraud that is mongo's continued employment?
22:52 <@Evilpig> nah.  pat's cool.
22:54 <@Evilpig> she's been here 35 years.  done everything from food service up through this
22:54 <@Evilpig> she's my steward for all things black 
22:58 <@Bahhumbug> heh
22:58 <@Bahhumbug> Seriously...
22:58 <@Bahhumbug> I want mongo fired and/or charged with fraud.
22:58 <@Bahhumbug> I want his manager fired for condoning it and/or charged as an accessory after the fact.
22:59 <@Bahhumbug> I don't know the guy.
22:59 <@Bahhumbug> I don't work there.
22:59 <@Bahhumbug> It doesn't affect me directly.
22:59 <@Bahhumbug> But it irritates me that people get away with his special brand of suck.
23:03 <@SuMo_D> I don't know the story... but yeah... have those feels for somebody here frequently
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> I will summarize.
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> Incompetent.
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> Lazy.
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> Useless.
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> Late.
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> Long lunches.
23:05 <@Evilpig> Black.
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> Disappears.
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> I find that irrelevant other thant he potential bias lawsuit.
23:05 <@Evilpig> He used that his first week here against me.  I see it as an issue
23:06 <@Bahhumbug> Well, you have more of a personal relationship with him than I do (thankfully, I'd be in jail otherwise probably), so there is a lot of interaction I have no idea about.
23:06 <@Bahhumbug> I don't know how I would deal with that situation.
23:06 <@SuMo_D> yeah, sounds familiar
23:06 <@Bahhumbug> Never been on the receiving end of that.
23:07 <@Bahhumbug> Did he actually file a racism issue against you, Evilpig?
23:07 <@SuMo_D> Also... RIP - Greenville Makers Group, our maker space is officially dead :/ final move out hopefully this afternoon...
23:08 <@Evilpig> yeah.  sent notice to my boss that I was "harassing" him
23:08 <@SuMo_D> I have these feels for the person who has been drawing out the death longer than necessary... and being an asshat about it
23:08 <@Evilpig> it was racial in nature while not being explicit
23:08 <@Bahhumbug> Did he actually cite "race" in that?
23:09 <@Bahhumbug> So there was an actual incident?
23:09 <@Evilpig> oh yeah
23:09 <@Bahhumbug> Hmm, that changes things somewhat.
23:09 <@Bahhumbug> I still say just cut his fucking brake line.
23:09 <@Evilpig> that's why I have in my performance review "refuses to speak to coworker"
23:09 <@SuMo_D> blarg
23:09 <@Evilpig> I didn't acknowlege him being here in person for nearly 6 months
23:10 <@Bahhumbug> You should get that augmented "Refuses to talk to lazy, incompetent coworkers that don't show up for work on time nor do _anything_ expected of them"
23:10 <@SuMo_D> yeah... it sucks when it gets to that point
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23:41 < RangerZ> can't be as bad as the only black guy at the place I worked, who we found had 2 counts of pedophilia (yes, under the age of 12, not just 19y/o with his 16 y/o g/f)
23:42 < RangerZ> and the only black girl, had BO issues, but only BO once she would start to put her hand down her pants and scratch
23:42 < RangerZ> and the company wouldn't get rid of either of them b/c they were afraid of discrimination lawsuits
23:44 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah... fuck that.
23:44 <@Bahhumbug> The pedo gets a blanket party.  The chick gets told in no uncertain terms to shower.  Everywhere.
23:45 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: I had a friend of mine email support@'_____'.com which was sent to EVERY employee, from a chinese gmail account
23:46 < RangerZ> and let them all know (he used to work there too)
23:47 < RangerZ> atleast it stopped people from brining in their kids, etc
23:47 <@Bahhumbug> I am dead serious about the blanket party.
23:47 < RangerZ> my friend had a 6 y/o daughter he would bring in on occasion to see him, etc... stopped that ship
23:47 < RangerZ> shit*
23:47 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, fuck that.
23:47 <@Bahhumbug> Because of a douchebag he had to stop bringing in his kid to work?
23:47 <@Bahhumbug> No.
23:47 <@Bahhumbug> I think the fuck not.
23:48 < RangerZ> b/c the company refused to get rid of him
23:48 < RangerZ> even after that
23:49 < RangerZ> but yeah, I agree with you
23:49 <@Bahhumbug> You beat him to within an inch of his life in a dark alley with a hood over his head, and tell the douchebag he needs to work elsewhere.
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, I'm an asshole.  Sue me.
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> I have no use for that type of scum.
23:50 < RangerZ> I have a 'complex' opinion
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> I don't.
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> It's quite cut and dru.
23:50 <@Bahhumbug> err, dry.
23:51 < RangerZ> I don't think we should even have a sex offender's list, I think if its 'real' sex offender, then not ever let out of jail, or killed
23:51 < RangerZ> and then people who piss in public, don't get put on that shit
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> Killed.
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> With extreme prejudice.
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> You.
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> Do.
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> Not.
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> Fucking.
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> Touch.
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> Children.
23:51 < RangerZ> yeah
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> There is no middle ground.
23:52 <@Bahhumbug> And yeah, I'm not talking about an 18yr old and his 16 yr old gf, or the poor 21 yr old schmuck that picked up that hot chick in the bar and finds out she's 16.
23:54 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: what if they pissed on a kid on a playground?
23:54 <@Bahhumbug> 100 kicks to the nuts.
23:56 <@Evilpig> just playing devil's advocate here.  drinking and urinating in public happens.  I can see where pissing on a kid might be funny.
23:56 <@Evilpig> s/might/would/
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