--- Log opened Mon Sep 23 00:00:14 2013 00:07 <@aestetix> god damn 00:07 <@aestetix> Breaking Bad is insane. 00:12 <@Wilpig> I'll watch when I get home 00:26 <@aestetix> Wilpig: just so you know, Jesse gets it up the butt from Saul Goodman 00:36 <@Wilpig> I always figured saul to be more of an eye socket guy 00:44 <@aestetix> haha 00:49 <@Bahhumbug> You can watch the new spinoff and find out for sure. 00:49 <@Bahhumbug> I am SO hoping that was just a gimmick and there won't be any such idiotic spinoff. 00:51 <@Corydon76-work> It's a prequel 00:51 <@Corydon76-work> which should be obvious after tonight's episode 00:53 <@Corydon76-work> though I'm not sure it has what it needs to last more than a single season 01:04 <@aestetix> I guess it depends on how good Saul is as a primary character 01:21 <@Corydon76-work> The character is plenty strong. The question is whether there's an impetus to keep watching the show or not. 01:24 <@aestetix> so uh 01:24 <@aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6425406 01:24 < GateKeeper> Title: My view, having read most of the prosecutions statement, as well has having cha... | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) 01:24 <@aestetix> curious what people think of my arguments here 01:30 <@Bahhumbug> I'm jaded. You make some good points, but I can't stand weev, so.. meh. 01:31 <@aestetix> heh 01:31 <@aestetix> Bahhumbug: most people couldn't stand Larry Flynt either, but he still won his case. 01:32 <@Bahhumbug> Apples and oranges in my opinion. 01:32 <@aestetix> How so? Both are disgusting trolls, neither IMHO committed a crime 01:34 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, I'm glad to see we at least agree on the disgusting troll aspect of this. 01:34 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, definitely a difference between karma and crime 01:35 <@aestetix> He's a good friend, but he's also a disgusting troll. 01:35 <@aestetix> I mean, he's a vocal racist and sexist. 01:35 <@aestetix> That doesn't make him a criminal though. 01:37 <@Bahhumbug> No, just a bottomfeeding douchebag. 01:37 <@Bahhumbug> There is no place for that bullshit in today's society. 01:37 <@aestetix> I disagree. 01:37 <@Bahhumbug> I figured you would. 01:37 <@aestetix> vagina 01:38 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: the problem, though, is the excessive nature of the act for which he was convicted was actually a crime, though 01:38 <@Bahhumbug> I realize also that I am in the minority here in this venue in my opinions of weev. So... 01:38 <@Bahhumbug> meh 01:38 <@aestetix> Corydon76-work: if what he did is considered a crime, then we are all criminals. 01:38 <@aestetix> I mean, this *is* impetus to reform the CFAA 01:39 <@Corydon76-work> If he had done the queries only for a limited set of iPads and posted instructions for how others might do the same, then I wouldn't see it. 01:39 <@Corydon76-work> But when he hit AT&T with tens of thousands of queries, that's beyond the authorized use of a protected system 01:39 <@Bahhumbug> No, Aaron is the drive to reform the CFAA> 01:39 <@aestetix> Both are. 01:40 <@aestetix> Also, remember that what you're talking about is a public image. 01:40 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: For the sake of PR, I'd keep weev out of it 01:40 <@aestetix> Weev personally is actually a really sweet guy. 01:40 <@aestetix> Jeremy Hammond, on the other hand, who has been raised several times for CFAA reform, is a fucking douchebag. 01:40 <@Bahhumbug> Too bad his public persona is that of a douchebag. He could be the nicest guy in the world but that doesn't mean much if all he does is present himself as an ass. 01:40 <@Corydon76-work> People are generally not supportive of reform when your example is an asshole who got what was coming to him 01:41 <@Bahhumbug> Corydon76-work: +8734658345 01:41 <@Bahhumbug> That. 01:41 <@aestetix> Yes, but when that comeuppance creates a bad precedent that can be used for a lot of other things... 01:41 <@Corydon76-work> Bahhumbug: You realize that looks like a phone number, right? 01:42 <@Bahhumbug> Nope, didn't even consider it. 01:42 <@aestetix> That isn't a phone number? 01:42 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: People do not care unless you raise a good counterexample 01:42 <@Corydon76-work> You want a guy for the public to LIKE, so they back your reform. 01:42 <@aestetix> I understand. 01:42 <@aestetix> Which is why Aaron keeps getting pushed into the spotlight. 01:43 <@aestetix> However, you can't get Aaron's reform without getting reform for weev as well. 01:43 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: I was not aware that he was a close friend of yours. I am sorry that someone you know and care about is in prison on, admittedly, trumped up charges. But I still think the guys an ass and got what he has been asking for after years of pissinga lot of people off. 01:43 <@Corydon76-work> Exactly, despite the fact that everybody can see that he really did commit a crime 01:43 <@Corydon76-work> You do NOT run from the police if you're doing the right thing 01:43 <@aestetix> Tell that to Occupy. 01:43 <@Bahhumbug> heh 01:44 <@Corydon76-work> You also do NOT break into a building on another campus, when you have access to that information from your office. 01:45 <@Corydon76-work> Additionally, if you're trying to break a paywall, the better method is to post instructions on how to do it, rather than trying to download a ton of information through it yourself 01:46 <@aestetix> Bahhumbug: also, thanks. 01:46 <@aestetix> I'm pretty unhappy with this case. 01:46 <@Bahhumbug> Yep, I can tell. 01:46 <@aestetix> AT&T basicalled dropped the charges. The government decided to pursue it. 01:47 <@aestetix> Once weev was in jail, they did things like denying him medical care he needed, threw him into solitary confinement for sending email, etc. 01:47 <@Corydon76-work> AT&T was basically threatened by a bunch of people that if they didn't drop it, they would actually get DDoS'ed or worse 01:47 * Wilpig does the mongo is about to get a $50 ticket dance 01:47 <@Bahhumbug> haha 01:48 <@Bahhumbug> When is your last day, Wilpig? 01:48 <@Wilpig> a not so anonymous tip was just called into the vupd about an untagged car in teh vandy parking lot 01:48 <@Wilpig> 4th 01:48 <@Corydon76-work> So AT&T dropped it publically, and let the government take the heat for pursuing it 01:48 <@Bahhumbug> Wilpig: Good job with the not-so-anonymous tip. 01:49 <@aestetix> Basically, we have decades old laws that are resulting in bright young people getting thrown in jail with excessive penalties. 01:49 <@Bahhumbug> Or getting dead. 01:49 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: Welcome to the drug war 01:49 <@Wilpig> I've received a few of those tickets myself which is why I park on the street now 01:49 <@aestetix> Corydon76-work: yep. 01:49 <@aestetix> It's the same thing. 01:49 <@Bahhumbug> Not really. 01:49 <@Bahhumbug> The drug war is racially targetted. 01:50 <@Bahhumbug> Oh, and the whole industrial/prison complex thing. 01:50 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: The difference, though, is that you think intelligence should be a reason to avoid prosecution 01:50 <@Bahhumbug> (Privatizing prisons is quite possibly the single worst thing this country has done in the past 50 years) 01:51 <@Corydon76-work> If it was a knuckle dragger who did the same thing as Schwartz, you wouldn't bat an eyelash 01:51 <@Bahhumbug> Oh! Dexter is downloaded. 01:51 <@Bahhumbug> See ya :) 01:51 * Bahhumbug & 01:54 <@aestetix> Corydon76-work: it is fair to say that I'm going to get more worked up over someone I know personally than someone I don't know. That's kind of human nature. 01:54 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: I completely disagree with that idea. I am very passionate about Snowden having done the right thing, and I've never met the man. 01:55 <@Corydon76-work> Ditto for Manning. 01:55 <@aestetix> Although it also comes up it something affects something or someone I care about. 01:55 <@aestetix> right 01:56 <@aestetix> I do suspect one of the reasons I'm pretty passionate about weev is that I do know him personally, and know the side of him nobody else knows. 01:56 <@aestetix> (like how he helped one of my friends through a really scary pregnancy issue, and was one of the only people she could rely on to be there for her if she needed a friend) 01:56 <@Corydon76-work> Headline of the Hour: "I Was Weev's Gay Lover, And He's Really Not That Bad" 01:56 <@aestetix> haha 01:57 <@Wilpig> aestetix: a really scary pregnancy issue is usually just called a tuesday on springer 01:57 <@aestetix> hahahaha 01:57 <@Wilpig> jerry helps them all the time. 01:57 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: The actor who played Andrew Dice Clay was a really nice guy. Nobody cares; everybody remembers him for being offensive. 01:58 <@aestetix> Corydon76-work: then again, I also side with Carlin and Lenny Bruce. 01:58 <@aestetix> Corydon76-work: a similar phenomenon has happened with Skyler White. 01:58 <@Corydon76-work> Carlin is distinctive in not having committed a serious offense 01:58 <@aestetix> Corydon76-work: what about the six words you can't say on tv? 01:59 <@aestetix> Or the sketch about rape jokes 01:59 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: He was not the broadcaster 01:59 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: rape jokes are not a crime 01:59 <@aestetix> I mean, a lot of people also hate Howard Stern. Another example of someone who is fucking filthy, but you know 01:59 <@aestetix> Right. Neither is being a troll. 02:00 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but Stern actually said those things while he knew he was on the public airwaves. Carlin's words, when broadcast, were a recording 02:00 <@aestetix> I actually got unfollowed by someone on twitter for linking to Carlin's rape jokes bit. 02:00 <@Wilpig> well damn. mongo got off 02:00 <@aestetix> They did not seem to appreciate the irony. 02:01 <@Wilpig> he's just a fucking failboat that isn't displaying his tag, they found it when they looked it up 02:01 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: you don't have a legal right to be followed 02:01 <@aestetix> So the actual issue here, it seems, is the disparity between law and technology. 02:01 <@aestetix> weev might be guilty in the cout of public opinion, but isn't the court of law supposed to be blind to that? 02:02 <@Corydon76-work> aestetix: yes, but you're picking test cases which aren't really all that blurry 02:02 <@aestetix> Although I think it would be funny if weev was a guest start on Sesame Street 02:02 <@aestetix> star* 02:02 <@Corydon76-work> Court of law IS blind to that 02:02 <@aestetix> I'd disagree. The CFAA as written is incredibly blurry. 02:03 <@Corydon76-work> But nobody wants to change the law to benefit an asshole for whom public opinion is that he got what he deserved 02:03 <@aestetix> Which is why Aaron keeps being used as the example. 02:03 <@Corydon76-work> Precisely 02:03 <@aestetix> But the fact is that weev is rotting away in jail for the same thing. 02:03 <@Corydon76-work> But even Aaron is not a good example, because of his tangential actions which suggest that he KNEW what he was doing was illegal 02:04 <@aestetix> Yeah, but that works into the commiting a crime for the greater public good argument. 02:04 <@Corydon76-work> What you want is a true innocent, who did not know he was doing wrong and got prosecuted anyway 02:05 <@aestetix> Who wants to cast the first stone? :p 02:05 * Wilpig throws a rock at aestetix 02:05 <@Wilpig> STONE HIM 02:05 <@aestetix> wait a second 02:05 <@aestetix> ouch 02:05 <@aestetix> dude that one was big! 02:05 <@Wilpig> seemed like the thing to do at the time 02:05 <@Corydon76-work> Everybody must get stoned, to misquote Dylan 02:07 <@aestetix> Hmm. I have an edible laying around somewhere 02:08 <@aestetix> Reminds me of the cannabis conference in San Jose last year. Half the building was doctors, the other half was dispensaries. 02:08 <@aestetix> You walk in, cough in front of a doctor, they give you a script, you walk out with pot 02:08 <@Corydon76-work> I suggest edibles in wrappers. If it's just lying around, it's probably teeming with bacteria 02:08 <@Wilpig> aestetix: I'm feeling a cough coming on now 02:09 <@Corydon76-work> Speaking of which, I need to go see a doctor about getting some propranolol 02:09 <@aestetix> Wilpig: I can give you a script, but it won't do you any good. 02:10 <@Corydon76-work> I had several instances this weekend where my anxiety hit 02:14 <@Wilpig> Corydon76-work: at least once you got home sunday you got to stay put, mostly 02:16 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, but normal life doesn't cause my anxiety to spike 02:16 <@Corydon76-work> It's the large crowds an unfamliar people which cause a problem for me 02:22 <@aestetix> http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/22/investing/george-soros-wedding/index.html?hpt=hp_t3 02:22 < GateKeeper> Title: Billionaire George Soros weds for 3rd time - Sep. 22, 2013 (at money.cnn.com) 02:22 <@aestetix> all I can say to this 02:23 <@aestetix> is wow, I wonder how he can still get it up 02:25 <@Bahhumbug> Aren't drugs wonderful? 02:31 <@Wilpig> heh. I see someone is uploading to my ftp now. 03:21 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBRYsAfchkY 03:21 < GateKeeper> Title: The Doors Sing "Reading Rainbow" Theme (Jimmy Fallon) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 03:32 <@Bahhumbug> Fake-Manzarek has it down, Fake-Densmore, meh, Fake-Krieger, meh, Fake-Morrison is almost dead on. 03:54 -!- RangerZ1 [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:29 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 06:29 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Shadow404] by ChanServ 06:30 <@Shadow404> how was the pn? 06:33 <@Wilpig> good 06:33 <@Wilpig> you weren't missed 06:40 <@Shadow404> understandable, im gonna set that weekend aside and make it next year 06:40 <@Wilpig> we were talking about doing haloween again but the hotel may already have someone in for that weekend so either the week before or the week after as usual 06:41 <@Shadow404> next year, they are possibly already booked? 06:41 <@Wilpig> yup 06:42 <@Shadow404> damn, thats crazy 06:47 <@Shadow404> so i made it to lousiana in the time i had left sunday and turned around, so i still got a few more hours to finish my cross country 06:50 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has joined #se2600 06:50 < Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 06:50 <@Wilpig> pull 06:51 <@Wilpig> but I don't remember why 06:51 <@Wilpig> oh the installer definitely checks for a remote_user 06:53 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I need to look at the dc_stats page today, so I guess I'd better pull 06:53 <@Dolemite> Andreas has been busy, too 06:54 <@Dolemite> right now I'm going and tagging all the switches that I don't want a capacity report on with NoReport 06:59 <@Dolemite> That's enough for today, I think 07:00 <@Dolemite> I have about 100 switches I don't want to report on, but about 200 that I do, so it's still the shorter list to make it an opt-out report 07:01 <@Wilpig> did you see that power advisor? 07:01 <@Dolemite> yep 07:01 <@Dolemite> IBM has one, too 07:01 <@Wilpig> oh really... i'll have to find it for warren and rafiq before i go then 07:02 <@Dolemite> I think even Dell does 07:02 <@Dolemite> ok, gotta walk up to data center 07:02 <@Shadow404> your mom does too, but her power advisor is always pretty low 07:02 <@Shadow404> yeah, not feeling very inspired for the jokes this morning..... 07:07 <@Shadow404> the only real joke is your mom 07:07 <@Shadow404> there we go 07:07 * Wilpig points at Shadow404 and laughs 07:09 <@Wilpig> Mirage: did you leave a can of fix a flat in my truck? 07:18 <@Dolemite> Isn't that what NotLarry called "lovin' lube"? 07:20 * Shadow404 plays a rimshot 07:25 <@Shadow404> gah 07:25 * Shadow404 hates govt. owned monopolies 07:25 <@Shadow404> austellgas.com has been down for 2 days now, and i cant pay my shit 07:26 <@Dolemite> I know there's a joke in here somewhere... gas... shit... 07:26 <@Dolemite> But alas, I have a meeting to go to 07:26 <@Shadow404> of course since their a monopoly, wasting your time calling into complain is worthless 07:26 <@Shadow404> later 07:26 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: nice, haha.......no 07:57 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 07:57 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 08:39 -!- SuMo_D [45896133@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.137.97.51] has joined #se2600 08:50 -!- jonnyx [~jonnyx@adsl-74-179-39-159.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:51 -!- jonnyx [~jonnyx@adsl-74-179-37-215.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 08:54 < frsilent> hey guys how did the con go? 08:56 <@Corydon76-work> No hitches 08:56 <@Corydon76-work> But we need to work on promoting the con better next year 08:56 < frsilent> well when's outerz0ne? >.< 08:56 <@Wilpig> that's the same as any other year 08:57 <@Wilpig> outerz0ne will be a week or two after skydick gets around to announcing it, then will blame the short notice on moulton 09:02 <@Shadow404> of course 09:25 -!- vaneck [~vaneck@96-38-5-189.static.jcsn.tn.charter.com] has joined #se2600 09:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o vaneck] by ChanServ 09:27 -!- x86Daddy [~z@c-75-65-3-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:29 -!- nachoguy [~boster@198.46.132.189] has joined #se2600 09:34 -!- x86Daddy [~z@c-75-65-3-17.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:53 <@Shadow404> doh, stupid db admins....... 09:53 <@Shadow404> dont give me sql access, ill script the gui to get it done just as fast, and then you can still complain that im overloading your system, even though i used your cpu intensive gui 10:05 < SuMo_D> Corydon76-work - I tried to get some other people to come up for the con, but nobody could understand the inside jokes on the website so only got one other taker 10:06 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: I heard. 10:06 < SuMo_D> had at least 3 other people who were very interested but were like hmmm we can't figure out what's going on here 10:06 <@Corydon76-work> We probably rely a bit too much on previous reputation. 10:06 < SuMo_D> and my emphatic oh but it'll be awesome! seriously! kinda... I think 10:07 < SuMo_D> cause so and so said so... yeah, didn't really work 10:07 <@brimstone> jonnyx gonna run it next year? 10:07 <@Shadow404> so they didnt get the jokes about lasers and this person named hugme? 10:07 <@Corydon76-work> Don't know. Won't know until election time 10:08 <@brimstone> when's election time? 10:08 <@Corydon76-work> December 10:08 <@Shadow404> or plastic chair throwing? 10:08 < SuMo_D> yeah, not so much 10:08 <@Shadow404> heh 10:09 < SuMo_D> it was interesting enough so they didn't shut me down intensely the first try, and entertained the idea more than once, but not enough to commit 10:09 < SuMo_D> honestly if I didn't have friends in the area that I wanted to come see I'm not sure if I'd made it 10:10 <@Corydon76-work> I need to take a more active role as a project manager, and make sure we hit deadlines for various stages. I can't do everything, but as long as things get done promptly, I shouldn't have to. 10:10 <@Shadow404> yeah, i was hoping to at least do a quick fly by this year on my cross country, but weather didnt hold out 10:10 < SuMo_D> glad I did though 10:11 <@brimstone> delegate and conquer 10:11 < SuMo_D> yeah 10:11 <@Shadow404> i loved the badges this year though 10:11 <@Wilpig> delegate and conquer kinda failed this year 10:11 <@Shadow404> i know rattle got a laugh 10:11 < SuMo_D> I hear ya... I'm usually in that role 10:11 < SuMo_D> I can totally feel where you come from 10:11 <@brimstone> inside joke on the badges even 10:11 <@brimstone> inside jokecon 10:11 < SuMo_D> yep... 10:12 <@Shadow404> for those that know rattle, yeah 10:12 <@Corydon76-work> I don't think we really actually delegated, though. I think a lot of it was "Just do the same thing as last year" and that didn't fully work out. 10:13 <@Wilpig> oh there was a few things that were delegated, two that I can think of that nothing really got done with 10:13 < SuMo_D> johhnyx explained it to me when I got mine, but my other friends didn't get it and we were all like... ok... um... cool? - I mean its a hacker con, of course there's going to be weird esoteric shit that only some people get who have been in on it but there just needs to be some more thought about entry points for engagement maybe? 10:14 < SuMo_D> cause you know... we all have stellar social skills when sober 10:14 <@Corydon76-work> Well, for example, who was really ultimately responsible for getting speakers or being in charge of AV or the hospitality suite, or registration? 10:14 <@eryc> me 10:15 <@rattle> "Planning. It's gets shit done!" 10:15 <@Wilpig> Until it doesn't 10:16 <@rattle> And yes, I was highly amused by the badges. 10:16 < SuMo_D> exectution... 10:16 < SuMo_D> you can plan all you want but people actually got to do their shit... which is the hard part 10:16 <@rattle> Setup a PhreakNIC Jira. Assign people tickets. :) 10:16 <@Corydon76-work> Well, like I said, I need to take a more active role in being a project manager over the next year, and ensure we meet deadlines 10:16 < SuMo_D> but yeah, it was great - I learned stuff... met people, was fun 10:17 <@Corydon76-work> rattle: heh... Jira is an adventure in itself. 10:17 <@Wilpig> Tasks are like email. You can assign it just like you can send one. Doesn't mean that person will get it done or read it. 10:17 < frsilent> rattle: you jest I think but...that sounds like a good idea 10:17 <@rattle> I was half serious. 10:17 < frsilent> lol 10:18 <@Corydon76-work> rattle: I've set up Jira before, and it's a struggle to get people to even login to the system. 10:18 <@eryc> i prefer Asana 10:18 <@eryc> it will harass you via email daily if your task is overdue 10:18 <@Corydon76-work> In any case, it's a tool, not magic, just like fundraising. 10:19 <@Corydon76-work> Accountability systems only work if you can get people to use the system 10:19 <@rattle> Obviously, tools don't fix planning problems absent discipline about using them? 10:19 <@Corydon76-work> Yep 10:20 <@rattle> But Jira is actually really took for project tracking. My team here, and also at CAP, used it to great effect for both agile style projects, and fixed term projects. 10:20 < frsilent> we migrated to pivotal tracker from jira; both good tools imo 10:20 <@rattle> If nothing else, it makes tracking the shit you need to hound people on. 10:21 <@sasquatc4> they keep trying to use jira here more and more, i think the only ones that use are the PM's and a few managers though 10:21 <@Corydon76-work> Anyway, I need to do actual work. I can discuss this more, this evening. 10:22 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.149.245.50] has joined #se2600 10:25 < nachoguy> how was the attendance compared to previous years? 10:25 < nachoguy> It looked a little light. 10:25 < nachoguy> I still had a great time, but PN seems to be becoming "come hang out with your friends". 10:26 < SuMo_D> pretty much... 10:26 <@Dolemite> That's what PhreakNIC started as. The circle of life. 10:26 * Dolemite holds up a lion cub for all to see 10:27 < SuMo_D> friends are good 10:28 <@oddball> nachoguy: It was pretty small this year. Not the smallest, though. 10:29 <@oddball> I think the whole having it a full month early thing really hurt us. That and there were a couple other geeky things going on this weekend, including a mini-maker's fair. 10:29 <@Dolemite> Yeah, timing is what kept me from being able to make it 10:30 <@Shadow404> i blame dolemite for me not making it 10:30 <@oddball> I know there were a number of folks that didn't come up due to still being broke/having taken time off for Dragoncon. 10:30 <@Corydon76-work> Well, it's pretty unreasonble for your wife to expect you not to leave her in a lurch. 10:30 <@Wilpig> The timing is never good for someone. We rely on word of mouth and don't have many/any loud fuckers 10:31 <@Shadow404> i fuck loudly! 10:31 <@Corydon76-work> What are spouses for, if not to leave them in inconvenient positions? 10:31 <@oddball> Yeah... there's this thing called advertising... we should probably do that. :p 10:32 < SuMo_D> Yeah, the mini maker faire was almost all kids from what I saw... before my body went into meltdown mode.... there were a few overlaps but mostly it was children/craft related stuff - lots of women and industry things (electric cars) 10:33 <@Shadow404> boring 10:33 <@Wilpig> well the kid thing was to be expected. it was at the adventure science center 10:33 < SuMo_D> well... different... 10:33 <@Dolemite> Corydon76-work: Again, the issue was not completely my wife. This is end of FY for government. I'm busy as can be. I couldn't take off Friday no matter what. 10:33 < SuMo_D> like I sadi, not the same audience 10:33 <@Shadow404> i did see a youtube video of someone at a maker faire that had a homemade liquid nitrogen generator 10:33 < SuMo_D> yeah I think that was on the other end I didn't get to... 10:34 <@Shadow404> Dolemite: yeah you could, you just didnt love us enough 10:34 <@Shadow404> play hookey 10:34 < SuMo_D> there were some cool hacked together instruments 10:34 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: yes, but if most of the kids are local to Nashville, that's the ticket towards the next generation of PhreakNIC 10:34 <@Shadow404> and on that note, time to stuff my face with food 10:34 < SuMo_D> and a dude who made crazy ham radio hacks 10:34 < SuMo_D> that guy was great 10:34 <@oddball> I need to see if I can get in touch with a guy that I know that's part of a local robot club (and was at the maker's fair) and see if they want to be involved next year. 10:34 <@Wilpig> I don't think i'm gonna be able to stay awake long enough for these people to get here about getting this quote on getting me moved\ 10:34 < SuMo_D> for sure Corydon76-work I totally agree 10:35 <@Corydon76-work> I would love for new people to be in a position to take over the major tasks and take the conference in new directions 10:35 <@Corydon76-work> Just need to get them in the door, first 10:35 <@oddball> yeah, I was talking to someone Saturday night that was concerned about the fact that the PN crowd "seems to be getting older." 10:36 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: I think that's also an issue with recruiting new folks into nashville2600. :/ 10:36 <@Corydon76-work> That was part of my aim in bringing Sammy in for the past several years 10:37 <@Corydon76-work> Right age, right level of enthusiasm 10:38 <@oddball> There's also the simple fact that the drama split wasn't that long ago, and we're still recovering from that. 10:38 <@oddball> And certain parties refuse to let it die. 10:38 <@Wilpig> seems we'll always be recovering from that 10:38 < SuMo_D> also... I'll only say this once (or try to) and you can PM me if you want the ranty details... but might help if you can recruit a chick to help - I mean... dicks and dicks and dicks humor... is to be expected... but sometimes its a bit much... and the "wow, I've been to 5+ of these and you're the only legit hacker girl I've met that didn't come as somebody's other" ummmm Thanks? 10:38 <@oddball> Heh... yeah... fair enough. 10:40 <@Corydon76-work> Right now, if we can inject any enthusiastic younger folks into the mix, that would be good. And yes, diversity was definitely one of the areas where we need to improve. 10:40 < SuMo_D> which... yeah, I donno... I'm the first to say it I'm not even sure how legit I am... I'm more of a maker, than hacker... but I grew up around it all, and I build stuff and am learning... 10:41 <@Corydon76-work> The group is also excessively white 10:41 < SuMo_D> yes 10:41 <@Corydon76-work> SuMo_D: I think the maker community is an outgrowth of the hacker community. 10:42 < SuMo_D> actually had about a 2 hour convo on Sat. night with some guys about that 10:42 < SuMo_D> and the subtle differences in culture and how the symbiosis works... 10:43 <@oddball> Yeah... it's hard not to see the maker movement as having evolved from the hacker community. 10:43 <@Corydon76-work> At the same time, we have gaming within the group, and we've had anime within the group, and those also have subtle differences in culture. 10:43 < SuMo_D> yep, and there's room for everyone 10:43 <@Wilpig> except furries 10:43 < SuMo_D> just depends on what you guys want to make of it 10:44 < SuMo_D> I donno Johnnyx might be up for the furries 10:44 <@Corydon76-work> Sammy was a furry 10:44 < nachoguy> the Con needs more Al 10:44 <@Wilpig> yes he was, still creepy 10:44 <@Wilpig> my buddy ray is too, still creepy 10:44 <@brimstone> yeah, no Sammy this year? 10:44 <@Wilpig> he moved not long ago 10:45 <@brimstone> ah 10:45 <@brimstone> no excuse 10:45 <@Dickie> BECAUSE HE HATES ME 10:46 <@Corydon76-work> He's up in Johnson City, and he's always been poor. I tried enticing him to come to GeekNIC with free accomodations, and he could not make it. 10:46 <@oddball> Of course, there's also the issue that a lot of younger Nashville geeks are going to go to GMX which is pretty much on top of when PN usually is... because Lucas is a dick. 10:46 <@Wilpig> agreed 10:46 <@Corydon76-work> I need to go to GMX this year and try to entice some of them to come to the meetings 10:47 <@Wilpig> several of them play ingress and i've tried getting them out numerous times 10:47 <@Corydon76-work> So we need to do lots of checkins at JJ's Market and make a portal appear there? 10:48 <@Wilpig> The sign for JJs probably meets portal criteria 10:49 <@Wilpig> this dude is here for the estimate. thank god. then I can get some sleep 10:49 <@Wilpig> but might end up going out and getting lunch instead 10:52 <@oddball> As stupid as this sounds, it might help to have a nashville 2600 facebook page and post the meetings as events, etc. 10:52 <@Wilpig> or G+ 10:52 <@oddball> or both 10:52 <@oddball> :) 10:52 <@Wilpig> sure would be nice if google would open up that write api... 10:53 <@oddball> They only open shit up when they think it will help them leverage the market. 10:53 < SuMo_D> - www.hootsuite.com - for your social media management needs... it integrates the systems so you only have to post shit once across 3 of the major outlets 10:53 <@brimstone> hootsuite can push to g+? 10:54 < SuMo_D> goes to a G+page 10:54 < SuMo_D> it kinda works 10:54 < SuMo_D> not well... but its a start 10:54 <@brimstone> IFTTT i think will push to g+ 10:54 < SuMo_D> its just... you guys need to figure out what you want, are you going to stay true to old school hacker constructs and culture - or expand and integrate more of the other friendly subcultures and communities that overlap 10:55 <@oddball> Hell, now that G+ talk has become popular, they're changing protocols to stop third party clients from using it. 10:55 < SuMo_D> if you expand, you just need more stuff, and more entry points for engagement - that's just my 2 in 10:55 <@oddball> yep 10:56 < SuMo_D> that may not be what some of your core older group will be into... I don't know your community well enough to know - and you guys will figure it out 10:56 < SuMo_D> hey you got to 17 10:56 < SuMo_D> and nobody died - (right?) - woo hoo 10:57 <@brimstone> https://ifttt.com/recipes/5238 10:57 < GateKeeper> Title: IFTTT / Post Facebook Status to G+ #Facebook Status #G+ by socialmediadominatrix (at ifttt.com) 10:57 <@oddball> Nope. A few folks have dangled off the side of a tall building, and I think a girl was taped to the ceiling of an elevator once... but no one's died. 10:57 <@Wilpig> we've always included anything that people are into. it's just a matter of getting someone to run the various things 10:57 <@oddball> We used to have an anime room. 10:57 < SuMo_D> yep 10:57 <@brimstone> i remember the anime room 10:57 <@Wilpig> pretty sure my ex had a concussion that one year 10:58 <@oddball> Hell, I think we were running an anime room before MTAC existed. 10:58 < SuMo_D> well... like you said... younger kids, who are excited... passionate, with more time less commitments 11:00 < SuMo_D> but yeah... loved it... for what it was - glad you guys pulled it off 11:00 < SuMo_D> and that I was able to make it up 11:01 < SuMo_D> brb 11:01 <@oddball> That's the big thing for a good con. If the folks that show up don't have a good time, you're fucked. :) 11:03 < nachoguy> if the folks that show up get fucked, they're going to have a good time 11:04 <@oddball> Well, yes... usually. Depends on who they wake up with the next day. 11:04 < SuMo_D> It was/is my first big trip on my own since the cancer/transplant shit.... so it was just my speed... 11:05 <@oddball> Oh, shit... didn't know about that stuff. 11:05 < SuMo_D> + the other stuff going on with the Maker Faire never being to Nashville 11:05 < SuMo_D> I'm damn well stoked to be happy 11:06 < SuMo_D> yeah... leukemia... tiz a biotch... anyway... lunch time bbl 11:23 <@Corydon76-work> Page created, with an event: https://www.facebook.com/nashville2600 11:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Nashville 2600 (at www.facebook.com) 11:26 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.149.245.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:41 <@Shadow404> once channel is the other drama split on? 11:41 <@Shadow404> or are they to cool for irc? 11:41 <@Shadow404> *what channel 11:48 <@oddball> Why? Feeling like harassing them? 11:48 <@eryc> he wants to join them 11:49 <@Shadow404> oh shit 11:49 <@Shadow404> so i finally ran across the skydogcon page 11:49 <@Shadow404> wow....just wow 11:50 <@Shadow404> so i see whats he's been trying to position himself for, it all comes into view 11:50 <@Shadow404> sell out 11:50 <@Shadow404> oddball: harrasing 12:00 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: when you realize he just resigned in the face of being fired for running another business out of his workplace office, yeah... 12:00 <@oddball> Oh, is that why he left. 12:01 <@Corydon76-work> Yep 12:01 <@oddball> Makes sense. Just didn't put it together. 12:01 <@Wilpig> that's the rumor. nobody will confirm it 12:01 <@Wilpig> but you're right all the pieces are there. 12:02 <@Shadow404> wait wait wait 12:02 <@Shadow404> he quit his regular job? or quit the con? 12:03 <@Wilpig> he doesn't work at vandy 12:03 <@Shadow404> oh wow, interesting 12:04 <@Shadow404> have you seen the prices he's asking for a security con in nashville 12:04 <@Shadow404> this aint D.C. 12:04 <@Wilpig> yes we're aware 12:04 <@Wilpig> and people are paying it 12:04 <@Shadow404> thats the fucked up part 12:05 <@Corydon76-work> Isn't it funny how he put Interz0ne out of business for having the audacity to suggest running an all volunteer con that pays its leader? 12:05 <@Shadow404> he probably heard tons of these talks at pn and oz/iz, etc and just saw dollar signs and he's just putting it to work 12:05 <@Shadow404> yeah, kind of interesting how that works 12:05 <@Shadow404> oh well, guess hes making it work for him 12:06 <@Wilpig> I think I just found a good apartment if htey will just call me back now 12:06 <@Corydon76-work> But would you expect him to apologize to Rockit now? 12:06 <@Wilpig> that would be admitting what he's doing 12:06 <@oddball> Part of that is that I expect a number of the attendees are getting their jobs to pay for it. There's this fucked up thing that the corporate world thinks expensive = valuable. 12:06 <@Shadow404> i do have to admit, rockit was more of a creep 12:07 <@Corydon76-work> I think I prefer Rockit 12:07 <@Shadow404> oddball: except for the part they hire bottom dollar employees 12:07 <@Shadow404> from overseas 12:07 <@Shadow404> and expect them to shit out gold 12:07 <@Shadow404> and wonder why every system is broken, or keeps breaking 12:07 <@oddball> Sorry, except when it comes to actually paying their employees. 12:08 <@Shadow404> exactly 12:08 <@Shadow404> fucking aye, if we had a programmer or dev admin worth his salt, my job would be so much easier 12:08 <@Corydon76-work> Shadow404: so what programming languages are you learning now? ;-) 12:09 <@Wilpig> Bitch++ 12:09 <@Shadow404> yeah, not my bag 12:09 <@Shadow404> Wilpig is correct 12:09 <@Shadow404> bitch++ 12:09 <@oddball> Of course, I'm pretty sure a good chunk of the admissions will go to paying the hotel. I remember the conchair of Hypericon telling me that the Hotel Preston's confrence space was not cheap. 12:09 <@Wilpig> I hear microsoft is working on a varient called bitch# 12:09 <@Shadow404> nice 12:10 <@oddball> And then they'll probably try to sue the makers of BitchX. 12:10 <@eryc> this conversation devolved quickly 12:10 <@Shadow404> oddball: just sad to see the speaker list and see who's he recruited and lots of them knowing full well the backstory 12:11 <@Corydon76-work> They can win, if they apply for and receive a trademark. There's no exception in trademark law for being first. 12:11 <@oddball> Yeah... I've come down to telling people the undisputed facts: 12:11 <@oddball> 1. Skydog used to be part of 2600 and help run PN 12:11 <@Shadow404> but yeah, billy/irongeek/multon, they all know the whole story 12:11 <@Shadow404> and still on the speaker list 12:11 <@oddball> 2. he is no longer welcome at PN 12:12 <@oddball> 3. he went off and started a new con at the same time PN has traditionally taken place 12:12 <@oddball> 4. he named the con after himself. 12:13 <@oddball> No one can dispute those statements, and it those statements pretty much say enough to most folks. 12:13 <@Corydon76-work> #2 is a result of the others, nothing else 12:14 <@Wilpig> preaching to the choir oddball 12:14 <@oddball> Wilpig: Yeah... I know. 12:14 <@Corydon76-work> He started his own con at the same time as PN was traditionally held, in the same city, which is why he's no longer welcome 12:14 <@Shadow404> but yeah, sad some stellar people are speaking at the con knowing all that 12:14 <@Wilpig> honestly he was welcome up til the RIPhreaknic incident. that was when I signed off completely 12:14 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: True, but it's part of the list of things that are non-diputed facts. 12:15 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: I'm just pointing out that sometimes, people can misinterpret the "no longer welcome" as implying a cause for him to start his own con 12:15 <@oddball> I've told several people that he could have simply offset it by at least a month or so, and *boom* the folks that weren't involved in the drama could have a good time at both. 12:16 <@Wilpig> oddball: we offered to help him with it, IF he held it in the spring like he originally said 12:16 <@Dolemite> Did he ever manage to find new space for his club? 12:16 <@Wilpig> no 12:16 <@Shadow404> we all know the timing was to try to force pn to die 12:16 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: Frankly, if he decided that he could do better and started a new con not on top of the old one, I'd say good for. 12:16 <@oddball> him 12:17 <@Wilpig> word of that is spreading to other maker groups and his shit is starting to stink. ;) 12:17 <@Corydon76-work> The word I heard is that proposals for new spaces came up, and he kept finding a way to shut those down 12:17 <@Shadow404> what caused his club to shut down the first time? 12:17 <@Wilpig> lost their lease 12:17 <@Shadow404> haha 12:17 <@oddball> I've seen a few proposals pop up (I'm still on the mailing list and lurk on their IRC channel). Seems like the big issue is monetary concerns. 12:18 <@Shadow404> so they spend tons of time and money cleaning up the place, lease ends and they lose the space 12:18 <@oddball> They lost the lease because the owners sold it to someone that's turning it into a parking lot. 12:18 <@Corydon76-work> and the space is bulldozed 12:18 <@Shadow404> lawl 12:18 <@Dolemite> Well the original lease was for a silly amount, like $1/year 12:18 <@Wilpig> oddball: money -> skydog -> *poof* what money? 12:19 <@Dolemite> Which is why from the beginning I had been asking what was the long term plan for when the owner realized they could make more money? 12:19 <@Corydon76-work> I'm mostly sad that the place got bulldozed, because even with me not involved, I spent a ton of time and money working on it 12:19 <@Wilpig> go get mexican or goto sleep? what say ye? 12:19 <@Dolemite> It's not very stable to pump a large amount of effort and money into tenant improvements on a place that you can't have a reasonable claim of long term occupancy 12:20 <@Dolemite> fart yourself to sleep after eating Mexican 12:21 <@Wilpig> kinda thinking that. I need to get some new sunglasses too since I lost mine yesterday 12:21 <@Wilpig> fajitas sound so very tasty 12:21 <@oddball> Wilpig: Pretty much... On the other hand, properly renting and keeping up with a good space for a hackerspace ain't cheap. 12:22 <@Wilpig> it isn't. but when you put all your money into toys like 3d or laser printers... you don't leave any wiggle for things like rent and upkeep 12:22 <@Dolemite> that's my point 12:22 -!- NotLarry [813b8dd1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.59.141.209] has joined #se2600 12:23 <@Wilpig> shhh 12:23 <@Dolemite> nothing was squirreled away for long term, and no real business plan for continued operation 12:23 <@Dolemite> A lot of that had to do with the exclusive nature of the membership process 12:23 <@Wilpig> there was a plan. $$$ -> toys -> president 4 lyfe 12:24 <@oddball> And gee... I wonder where those toys currently reside. 12:25 <@rattle> The reality is he's outclassing you on speakers and organization. So I'd suggest working on getting better speakers and getting better organized. 12:25 <@oddball> Fair enough. 12:25 <@Shadow404> yeah, thats shitty, he got to keep all the toys 12:25 <@Dolemite> Yep, he's getting out to OTHER hacker cons and winning the publicity war 12:25 <@Wilpig> yes that is true. he talks a good game, always has 12:25 <@Dolemite> Well the problem is that Nashville 2600/PhreakNIC basically talks no game at all 12:26 <@rattle> That too. 12:26 <@Wilpig> correct again 12:26 <@Shadow404> and thats the way its been and HAS worked 12:26 <@oddball> Which is why I've been pushing that we really need to do this thing called "promotion." I've heard it's really neat. 12:26 <@rattle> Not really.. 12:26 <@rattle> In the early days we all promoted at other cons. 12:26 <@Wilpig> Shadow404: no. in the past we've had loud mouths like skydick that went out and brought in people from other cons 12:26 <@Dolemite> Yeah, promotion used to happen - even if online, only 12:26 <@rattle> That's why it went from 40 people to 400 people. 12:26 <@Wilpig> even dolemite used to go out 12:26 <@Shadow404> hrmm 12:27 <@Dolemite> I went to DEFCON and talked up PhreakNIC. I got on umpteen message boards and talked up PhreakNIC. 12:27 <@Shadow404> so ok, my statement was wrong, did nothing like that happen this year?> 12:27 <@Dolemite> That's what pushed attendance past 350. Skydog continued doing that same thing, but then his message changed as his interests did, and nobody else stepped in to replace that part. 12:27 <@Wilpig> hasn't for the last two 12:27 <@oddball> Shadow404: No, it really hasn't. There's a very high percentage of the PN population that has been coming for years. Which, while attendee retention is awesome, means decay and death in the long run. 12:28 <@Shadow404> hrmmm, sounds like a big PR campaign needs to happen or decay and death 12:28 <@Dolemite> Nashville 2600 should be sending a group to Chattacon. To DragonCon. The DerbyCon. To CarolinaCon. 12:28 <@Dolemite> At a minimum 12:28 <@Shadow404> like atl2600 12:28 <@brimstone> The DerbyCon 12:29 <@oddball> Dolemite: yeah... I've been asking for flyers to take to the various scifi cons I go to (Chattacon, among many others) 12:29 <@Shadow404> oh, so to note on something someone hit 12:30 <@oddball> I've also been heavily suggesting that Hypericon and Phreaknic need to get together and co-host room parties. 12:30 <@Shadow404> attendees + good time = win, attendees + bad time = fail 12:30 <@rattle> You need to be reaching out to the security community, not the cosplayers. 12:30 <@Shadow404> one year i went to PN, attendance was very high 12:30 <@Shadow404> but after 9pm, there was no parties 12:30 <@Shadow404> like none on any floor 12:30 <@brimstone> i went to a notacon like that Shadow404 12:31 <@Shadow404> one way i seen con's sorta make sure parties happen is two ways 12:31 <@brimstone> suddenly, 9pm and the only people i could find where those who i rode up with to detroit 12:31 <@Shadow404> a con sponsered party room 12:31 <@oddball> rattle: There's a decent crossover of interest between the folks that go to scifi cons and computer geeks. 12:31 <@Shadow404> and a room party contest 12:31 <@rattle> If you get the hacker community out, there will be parties. I go to a lot of conferences.. Trust me. Where there are hackers, there is partying. 12:31 <@rattle> Fuck, Gartner's security conference has parties. And that's a fucking snoozefest. 12:31 <@Shadow404> thats how you attract and retain the 21-30 yr old range, speaking from experience 12:32 <@rattle> I'm aware of the crossover.. I'm not saying completely ignore them. But you do need to focus on the actual hacker cons more. 12:33 -!- Iyeman [~Iyeman@74.51.97.254] has joined #se2600 12:33 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Iyeman] by ChanServ 12:33 <@oddball> I agree... but I could at least drop flyers at cons that I'm going to anyways. 12:33 <@Dolemite> Well, those currently in charge need to determine their identity, first. 12:34 <@Dolemite> Is PhreakNIC a security/hacker con, or is it a maker con, or is it an all things geek con? Once that question is answered, the path becomes a little more clear. 12:34 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.149.245.50] has joined #se2600 12:34 <@Shadow404> id liken to say all things 12:36 <@oddball> I'd like to see it become more like Peguicon, where there is a focus on the security/hacker bit, but it also has other geeky stuff. 12:36 <@Dolemite> Yes, but that answer needs to be determined by those who are local and willing to continue to do the work required of them. The rest of us don't get a vote. 12:36 <@brimstone> themed tracks perhaps? 12:37 * Shadow404 throws his ballot at Dolemite 12:37 <@Shadow404> i cant help being geographically seperated 12:37 * Dolemite wipes his ass with Shadow404's ballot 12:38 <@Mirage> Dolemite: I couldn't get the bartender to sell me that giant bottle of Double Bastard. 12:38 <@Shadow404> i just really dont want to see PN lose steam....i dotn want it to become anything like the atlanta community, old and dead 12:38 <@Dolemite> Was that because he said you were already bastard enough? 12:39 <@oddball> Of course, the issue with multiple tracks is that we'd pretty much have to set up a second presentation room. Which might be tricky with the current hotel. 12:40 <@Mirage> Dolemite: 1) he didn't know if they COULD sell it, 2) didn't know what to charge for it 12:40 <@Mirage> Dolemite: they had a bottle of Chimay the same size also. 12:41 <@Dolemite> Wow. I'd have preferred the Chimay. 12:41 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:43 -!- mog [~mog@c-68-62-170-105.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 12:43 -!- mog [~mog@c-68-62-170-105.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 12:43 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has joined #se2600 12:43 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mog] by ChanServ 12:44 <@rattle> The con should move back to Nashville somehow. No one who isn't from that area has any idea where the fuck Murfreesboro is, and will immediately dismiss it. 12:44 <@Shadow404> true'dat 12:47 < nachoguy> Also it sucks going to m'boro (I got stuck in Nashville traffic both going to and coming from the con). 12:47 <@oddball> Or we could just put on the website that it's in the Nashville area. Same argument could be made for Franklin. 12:47 < nachoguy> I do like that everything is walkable though (didn't need the car the entire weekend). At this point, I'm considering flying in 12:48 <@oddball> nachoguy: Doesn't suck for people coming from Atlanta... they don't get to the Nashville traffic! :p 12:48 <@brimstone> yup! 12:48 <@Shadow404> oddball: bahaha, nashville traffic aint even a comparison to atlanta 12:48 <@brimstone> just atl traffic getting out 12:49 <@oddball> Shadow404: hey, I wasn't the one complaining about it. But sitting in a traffic jam is still sitting in a traffic jam. 12:50 <@Shadow404> yes, but at least for the most part, nashville traffic flows 12:50 <@brimstone> actually, i'd love for it to be in nashville instead of mufreesboro 12:50 <@Mirage> Dallas is cake in comparision to Nashville and esp ATL 12:50 <@brimstone> there's a few different bus/van services between the two cities 12:50 <@brimstone> i think notlarry found a $7 ticket or something to go between the two 12:51 <@oddball> Problem is that it's hard to find a hotel that matches our needs in Nashville proper that isn't also expensive. 12:51 < NotLarry> it is now$35 round triup, express, wifi, etc... 12:52 <@Shadow404> what about that $1 discount van 12:52 <@oddball> The hotel that Hypericon is currently in is nice, and is about the same price as what we're currently paying, but is a pretty small. 12:52 <@brimstone> that's less than i paid for gas 12:52 <@brimstone> and i got 33 mpg last weekend 12:53 <@Shadow404> oddball: how much space do we need currently with attendance? 12:54 <@oddball> I don't know the exact numbers, but I think the only reason the current hotel works for us is that there's a large atrium area for people to hang out in. 12:54 < NotLarry> oddball: The conops can be made to a second, smaller presentation room 12:54 <@oddball> The area we used for gaming, etc this year was pretty damn tight. 12:55 <@brimstone> there was plenty of talk room space though 12:55 <@oddball> NotLarry: this is true. 12:55 <@brimstone> possibly too much :/ 12:55 <@oddball> We might want to look at re-arranging things for next year. 12:56 <@oddball> I'm thinking we should have used the second partition wall to expand the gaming area. 12:56 <@Mirage> What was to turnout this year? 12:56 <@oddball> Pretty low. I think I heard ~120. Most of that was pre-reg. 12:56 <@rattle> You really should raise the admission. $25 just isn't enough to work with. It's been that for years, and things have gotten more expensive. 12:57 <@rattle> If you raise it to even just $40 or $50, it's still super super cheap for any kind of conference. 12:57 <@oddball> It was $30 at the door, but yeah... most of the scifi cons I go to these days are $40-$60 at the door now. 12:58 <@oddball> And yes, I know we're not a scifi con, but we have the feel of one and most of the "security" cons I know of are doing the Skydog thing with a pretty high price of admission. 12:59 <@rattle> What is SkyDog charging? 12:59 <@brimstone> $100 or $120 i think 12:59 <@brimstone> crazy expensive either way 12:59 <@rattle> That's still pretty cheap. 13:00 <@rattle> What? 13:00 <@Shadow404> 80 - early bird 13:00 <@rattle> Seriously? 13:00 <@oddball> Plus ~$1k for some of the "training sessions." 13:00 <@rattle> The cheapest of the security cons are like $300 these days.. Training is always at least $1k (because even if you aren't expensing it, it's a tax writeoff). 13:00 <@oddball> Basically, you're looking at low prices for "fun" cons, or high prices for "pro" cons. 13:02 <@brimstone> $80 early bird (ended in may) $120 regular now 13:02 <@brimstone> and i assume that's the at the door price too 13:02 <@Shadow404> ah ok, like most things, he didnt update it 13:03 <@brimstone> wow, derbycon is $150 a ticket? 13:05 <@brimstone> notacon is $75 pre, $120 at the door 13:08 <@Dolemite> damn, I guess PhreakNIC didn't hear about inflation 13:08 < NotLarry> So, $25 pre, $30 at the door sounds reasonable if you are looking for a con to go enjoy yourself at? 13:08 <@brimstone> $25/$30 is cheap 13:08 < SuMo_D> For 25$ for this year... as a new attendee I was happy... but if you raise the price, you need to raise the amount of engaging activities. It seemed like a lot of stuff was on the fly 13:09 < SuMo_D> I mean I was like wow... you fed us twice - and you gave us candy and stuff = win 13:09 < NotLarry> So, if I'm new to this, and I heard of this phreaknic thing, and I can get in for $30, That is good 13:09 <@brimstone> you'd have to have some perspective of other cons i think 13:09 < NotLarry> SuMo_D: But the dinner was good right? 13:09 < SuMo_D> I mean a pop up lan cafe was fun as were the legos - but I wanted to... you know... learn more... and build more 13:10 < SuMo_D> I busted out the solder and got weird looks :/ 13:10 < NotLarry> I have heard Phreaknic was a gateway drug:) 13:10 < nachoguy> NotLarry: the food was awesome! 13:10 < SuMo_D> good was awesome :) 13:10 < SuMo_D> I was happy 13:10 <@brimstone> SuMo_D: build things? 13:10 < SuMo_D> virtual or physical 13:10 < SuMo_D> just something 13:10 <@brimstone> SuMo_D: would a soldering workshop fit that? 13:10 <@brimstone> oh, or like a programming lab? 13:10 < SuMo_D> yeah 13:11 < SuMo_D> something 13:11 < jonnyx> So what would you pay to attend PN18? Assume a full schedule of diverse events, planned well in advance. Set your price. 13:11 < SuMo_D> going and playing already made video games while drinking... ok for 25$ I'm fine with that for 40+ I'd probably be pretty pissy 13:11 < SuMo_D> have to think about it johnnyx 13:11 <@brimstone> jonnyx: if you could get a schedule out 3 months or so, or at least start mentioning some of the talks and possibly workshops, $50 would be ok i think 13:13 < SuMo_D> I think one of my best experiences at the con was a 2600 member who was engaging a friend of mine I came up with showing him how to do man in the mdidle hacks and was like hey I'm --- and sit down I'll teach you too 13:13 <@Dolemite> Last year we had the Toy Hackers give a talk, and afterwards let people mod toys. I think you need more hands on activities like that. 13:13 < nachoguy> not to start shit, but look at the events on the SDC page. HAM exams, Lockpicking, hardware stuff 13:14 < SuMo_D> yeah.... 13:14 <@oddball> nachoguy: Well, one of those is illegal in this state.... 13:14 < nachoguy> oddball: I know, and yet it was present in PN for several years 13:14 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, if you're caught with lockpicks without a locksmith license, it's jail time 13:14 <@Corydon76-work> nachoguy: the law was a fairly recent thing 13:15 <@Dolemite> nachoguy: It was present at PN before becoming illegal 13:15 <@oddball> Right. 13:15 < jonnyx> I've seen the SDC page. Interestingly, most (all?) of the hands-on activities were things we've done in the past but have let slip away. I'd like to see a number of them brought back. 13:15 < nachoguy> oh, I thought it had been the rule for a while 13:15 < nachoguy> jonnyx: that was my point 13:15 <@oddball> We had a lockpisking presentation last year, but it was all slides and talk due to laws. 13:15 <@Shadow404> jonnyx: for example? 13:15 <@Corydon76-work> nachoguy: in some states, yes, but Tennessee's law was fairly recent 13:15 <@Shadow404> laws allowing of course 13:15 < SuMo_D> nachoguy I agree... as an outsider and who has just heard about the sd bs on and off for awhile, his looks more engaging... 13:16 < nachoguy> aestetix: http://i.imgur.com/75qILqA.jpg 13:16 -!- nachoguy [~boster@198.46.132.189] has left #se2600 [] 13:16 -!- nachoguy [~boster@198.46.132.189] has joined #se2600 13:16 < nachoguy> wrong button 13:16 < SuMo_D> I mean if I do come up next year, I can bring irons and other random stuff do things, that's kinda my goal right now is transitioning into doing mobile maker classes 13:16 < jonnyx> Lockpicking has already been mentioned, ham training/cets/demos back in the 1990s/early 2000s. 13:17 <@Corydon76-work> cets? 13:17 < SuMo_D> bring up the eggbot and do mini design workshops or something 13:17 <@Shadow404> what was the other stuff? 13:17 <@rattle> I think $40 or $50 is a good price for PN. 13:17 < SuMo_D> but... I said it earlier, you guys just need to figure out who/what your community you want to engage - design workshops not exactly a securities/hack con 13:17 < jonnyx> Ham testing/certification. Had it at PN4, maybe 3 & 5 too. Have to check on those two years. 13:18 <@Dolemite> 3 yes, 5 no 13:18 <@Dolemite> At least that's my recollection 13:18 < SuMo_D> if you promote and expand and have enough people, it'll all be good, just gotta make sure there's enough bridges and common ground for engagement 13:19 < jonnyx> Yeah, memory on 5 is fuxxy. We had a lot planned, riding on the success of PN4, but then this thing called 9/11 & USA-PATRIOT happened a few wweks out from PN5 and a lot of speakers and attendees dropped out... 13:19 < jonnyx> "fuzzy" 13:20 <@Dolemite> PN5 was the first one with you in Atlanta, wasn't it? Alison Randall organized most of the speakers that year? 13:20 <@Dolemite> PN6 was the first one that I ran, and you were definitely in Atlanta by then 13:20 < NotLarry> Yeah, then 6 was downtown 13:20 < nachoguy> yep 13:20 < NotLarry> When Dolemite ran it. 13:20 < nachoguy> 6 was my first, and it was downtown 13:21 <@Dolemite> nachoguy wore a giant foam cowboy hat 13:21 < nachoguy> yup 13:21 < NotLarry> And spoke spanish... 13:21 < jonnyx> I had moved to ATL a few days before 9/11. I don't recall Alison organizing most of the speakers, but she did bring a number of the last second replacements in, IIRC. 13:21 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: No, that was the voice in your head speaking Spanish 13:22 < nachoguy> hah, I loved that bit about spanish, especially when that kid was wandering around in saran wrap 13:22 < NotLarry> Dolemite: Ok, maybe, but they made as much sense as nachoguy... 13:23 < jonnyx> PN5/2001 was a lot of booze/drugs/anti-psychotics ago, so again, memories aren't exactly clear (though I apparently took good notes at the time). 13:23 <@Mirage> If I recall correctly, the Saran Wrap was Sharrod's handiwork. 13:23 < NotLarry> SuMo_D: Ok, I've got you down for running a soldering workshop at pn 18. Send your email to help@nashville2600.org and I will get your the schedule as soon as we have a date locked in... 13:23 < nachoguy> Mirage: it was 13:24 < SuMo_D> well... notlarry... don't schedule me in yet please 13:24 < SuMo_D> lets see how things develop 13:24 <@Shadow404> what was the last year it was on broadway? 13:24 < NotLarry> 6, the only year:) 13:24 <@Dolemite> It was only on Broadway one year 13:24 < nachoguy> Shadow404: that was pn6 13:24 <@Shadow404> ah, that was my first 13:24 <@Dolemite> The hotel sales be0tch who was also the sales be0tch for the last year at the Days Inn 13:25 < NotLarry> SuMo_D: That is exactly what they guy doing the soldering workshop this year said:) 13:25 <@Shadow404> though, we did fuck with the pn6 hotel, bathe bubbles in the fountains, etc 13:25 <@Shadow404> we did that at days in too 13:25 < nachoguy> big drinking party in the lobby 13:26 < NotLarry> Mostly we could not get people to stop with the damn smoke machines. 13:26 <@Dolemite> The main problem was that she double booked the space 13:26 < nachoguy> enough electronics equipment to run a small office 13:26 < nachoguy> heh, the old broads witht he blue vests 13:26 <@Shadow404> NotLarry: pn6 was the year of fire alarm pulling too 13:26 < nachoguy> that was one of my favorites 13:26 < NotLarry> It would have been fine if she had booked strippers to stay there, but alas... 13:26 <@Mirage> So what kind of soldering are we talking about? Pipe-fitting? Car wiring? PCB surface mount? 13:26 <@Shadow404> oh, and back in the day, everyone had crt's 13:26 <@Dolemite> So when the church group came in Sunday morning to use the space and a bunch of people were passed out drunk, they got a bit upset at the hotel. The hotel tried to blame me, but I produced the written contract, paid them, and told them to go fuck themselves. 13:27 <@Shadow404> nice 13:27 < NotLarry> I can teach pipefitting 13:27 <@Dickie> giggity 13:27 < NotLarry> We could build something useful out of copper:) 13:27 < jonnyx> Speaking of 2014 dates, need to make a phonecall, since my first one still hasn't been returned. brb 13:27 <@Shadow404> i can teach how to place a male end into a female end joint 13:27 <@Shadow404> giggity 13:27 <@Mirage> Soldering class to be followed up by 'how to operate a still'? 13:28 <@oddball> Yeah... it would be nice to go ahead and have the date. Now that we don't have to care about the Titan's schedule. 13:28 <@oddball> (another thing that can be a problem in Nashville proper) 13:28 <@oddball> Mirage: Again... there's that whole legality thing. :p 13:29 <@Dolemite> Or if you get too close to West End, then the Vanderbilt sports schedule - especially basketball, but nowadays even football 13:29 <@oddball> Although someone suggested that I give a talk on making my apple pie. I told him it would be damn short. 13:29 <@Mirage> oddball: you could distill anything in a still.. 13:29 <@Corydon76-work> Yep, stills are not necessarily illegal 13:29 <@Dolemite> PhreakNIC should provide more booze. You could make a bunch of cider. If only NotLarry had a carboy to ferment it in... 13:30 < NotLarry> Serious. I will try to get the gear and next year we could demonstrate decanting it... 13:30 <@Dolemite> oddball : I told Iyeman we should team up to do a booze and meat hacking panel. Your topic would easily fit into that. 13:30 <@Shadow404> id be glad to lend my expertise for a group talk 13:31 < NotLarry> Assuming I'm even invited next year. After my performance this year... 13:31 <@Shadow404> what'd you do NotLarry? 13:31 <@Dolemite> What, was the whole hog no good? 13:31 <@Shadow404> throw a chair off the roof? 13:33 <@oddball> Dolemite: That could work 13:34 <@Shadow404> we could go over the basics of brewing, and then branch off to talk about more specialty stuff like distilling, etc 13:34 < SuMo_D> Oh Dallas posted this up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCQ67XjZ__Q in case you didn't make it out to the Maker Faire.... I have to see the part I missed... 13:34 < GateKeeper> Title: Nashville Mini Maker Faire 2013 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 13:35 <@Shadow404> anyone have experience on purchasing/handling liquid nitrogen? 13:35 <@Dolemite> How was the talk on building your own CRAY? 13:36 <@Mirage> Shadow404: handling to a small extent..but that's been a few years 13:36 < jonnyx> Grrr, voicemail this time. 13:36 < SuMo_D> also... "heat exaustion" lol.... that's generous 13:36 < jonnyx> Yes re: liquid nitrogen. 13:37 <@Shadow404> jonnyx: sweet, has some questions for a few things i wanna do 13:37 <@Shadow404> Mirage: any exp purchasing? 13:37 <@Mirage> Shadow404: nope, sorry 13:37 <@Shadow404> ah, ok 13:38 < jonnyx> Panel suggestions, now that we can no longer do them at DragonCon (and we've already done similar talks at PN): "The Science and Fine Art of Makin' Booze". Do a "101" for beginners, demo the equipment, etc, and a "201" for advanced tips, tricks and techniques. Encourage attendees & panelists to bring samples of their work. 13:39 <@opticron> what changed at dragoncon to prevent that? 13:39 < jonnyx> Oh, and can we bring back the Friday pot-luck/chilifest from teh early days? 13:40 <@Shadow404> jonnyx: yeah, 101/201 is a great idea 13:40 < jonnyx> opticron - we were outed, victims of our own success. 13:40 <@opticron> :/ 13:40 <@Shadow404> huh? 13:40 <@Shadow404> jonnyx: pm 13:41 < jonnyx> pming, brb 13:42 <@Shadow404> lawl 13:43 < jonnyx> opticron - One of our not-regulars wandered by "Hacking 201" (our longerst-running booze panel - ask a good question, pick a high-quality booze item from the panelists table, which usually had $500+ in good beer, cider, liquor, & caffeine for the non-drinkers) in 2011... 13:44 < jonnyx> ...thought it was the best late-night party he'd ever attended at DCon (free booze! free pizza! crazy but seriously serious science and hacking geekery! is that a *real* nulear reactor?!?)... 13:45 < jonnyx> ...and went straight to Pat Henry, the DCon head honcho, & requested much more of the same. 13:45 < jonnyx> Oops. 13:47 < jonnyx> Since PN is not DCon, perhaps a similar "stump the hacker, audience-driven Q&A, win a refreshing prize" thing could be done. You need panelists who are funny and fast on their feet (and who do not go on and on and on and on) to make it work, though. 13:49 <@Corydon76-work> So you need questions that would stump the entire panel in order to win? 13:49 < jonnyx> "Stumo the panel" is not a good description, now that I think about it. 13:50 < jonnyx> It started that way, but quickly turned into "ask in interesting question, get a tasty prize". 13:50 <@oddball> oo... Actually, I know someone that has done a lot of infusion drinks. I wonder if she'd be interested in coming out for a "food hacking" panel (although I hate that name) 13:50 < jonnyx> "Interesting" being subjectively defined by both the panelists and the audience. 13:51 < jonnyx> We always had the warm 40oz bottle of crap (served warm and overhand) for the worst/trolling question. 13:52 < jonnyx> Shook it up first, too, before throwing it at the troll. 13:54 < jonnyx> Main problems with the panel premise (ie - handing out booze) was contracts with hotels, plus state/fed legal issues (we wouldn't give free booze to obvious minors, though we would hand it to their parents, if present). We got away with it for 14 years because we kept it off the official schedule & stayed under the radar as much as possible. 13:56 < SuMo_D> Oh hey... Greenville is having a mini Maker Faire on January 18th if anybody has anything cool that they want to come and show off 13:56 < SuMo_D> Greenville South Carolina 13:56 <@Mirage> SuMo_D: Thanks, was about to ask WHICH oine. 13:57 < jonnyx> Back to liquid nitrogen. There was talk about attempting to extract it onsite at DCon next year, rather than buying it ahead of time. We've got vacuum chambers & dewers. Thoughts about attempting it at PN? 13:57 <@oddball> That could either be awesone or disasterous... :p 13:57 < jonnyx> Educational in either event. 13:58 <@oddball> yep 14:00 < frsilent> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/117421627/the-peachy-printer-the-first-100-3d-printer-and-sc 14:00 < GateKeeper> Title: The Peachy Printer - The First $100 3D Printer & Scanner! by Rinnovated Design Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com) 14:01 < frsilent> who else is buying? 14:03 <@oddball> That's awesome. 14:06 <@Shadow404> jonnyx: yes, agree with attempting 14:09 <@opticron> that mirror setup is gross 14:10 <@Shadow404> so is your mom in a mirror too 14:10 <@opticron> no contest 14:50 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:43 -!- Corydon76-work changed the topic of #se2600 to: Computer recycling event at Watkins in Nashville, Sept 25-26 9a-5p 15:44 -!- Corydon76-work changed the topic of #se2600 to: Computer recycling event at Watkins in Nashville, Sept 25-26 9a-5p | Next 2600 meeting: October 4th 15:49 <@Shadow404> Awww, no more swag representing Wilpig's left testicle? 16:14 < NotLarry> Well, got the raspberrypi working as a wifi bridge between me and the public wifi. 16:14 < SuMo_D> woo hoo 16:14 < NotLarry> There has to be a use there somewhere 16:14 < SuMo_D> wipi! 16:21 < NotLarry> Shadow404: That swag got sucked up quick. 16:39 < nachoguy> NotLarry: is it just a ethernot to wifi bridge or wifi to wifi? 16:40 < NotLarry> wifi to wifi 16:40 < nachoguy> need 2 USB wifi dongles? 16:40 < nachoguy> or can you do it with 1? 16:40 < NotLarry> I had wifi to eth bridge setup already so it was a nice little access point, "they" told me it would not power two wifi adaptors, but I plugged in the second one, configured it to connect to the university wifi, and it works great 16:41 < NotLarry> I did not try it with one. 16:41 < nachoguy> cool 16:42 < NotLarry> Got a guy bringing me a solar panel and battery later in the week. Got to go on cl and get rid of something to make financial room for the solar panel:) 16:43 < nachoguy> how big of a panel and battery? 16:43 < nachoguy> like just to power the pi? 16:46 < NotLarry> 10w panel and 12aH battery 16:46 < nachoguy> that would actually be cool, becuase you could also charge anything else with a USB hookup (phone, tablet,gps) 16:46 < nachoguy> wow 16:46 < NotLarry> 14 x 8 x 1 inches ; 3.5 pounds Power (Pmax) : 10W Maximum power voltage ( Vpm ) : 17.5V ;Maximum Power Current: 0.57A Cable lengths : 3.0' Open circuit voltage ( Voc ) : 21.95V 16:46 < nachoguy> little more than a Pi => 16:47 < NotLarry> oh, yeah, I have no use for it, just kind of triggerd my nerd response 16:47 <@Corydon76-work> https://www.nsa.gov/psp/applyonline/EMPLOYEE/HRMS/c/HRS_HRAM.HRS_CE.GBL?Page=HRS_CE_HM_PRE&Action=A&SiteId=1 16:47 < GateKeeper> Title: An error has occurred. (at www.nsa.gov) 16:48 <@Corydon76-work> "NSA Civil Liberties and Privacy Officer" job description 16:50 < nachoguy> see you guys tomorrow, have to go roll shit out 16:50 < NotLarry> ok, funny is funny but those of you who put "notlarry is an asshole sober" on the suggestion slips needed to clarify that I was an asshole drunk too... 17:12 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.149.245.50] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:19 < NotLarry> You think that will fit? 18:26 -!- notlarry_ [~notlarry@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 18:26 -!- notlarry_ is now known as NotLarryPi 18:55 < NotLarryPi> wow, I am tired 18:56 <@brimstone> PiLarry 19:12 <@Dickie> you also ugly 19:12 <@Dickie> like... CRAZY ugly 19:13 <@Dickie> but it's okay. I still love you 19:25 -!- NotLarryPi is now known as PiLarry 19:30 < PiLarry> better? 19:43 <@brimstone> yup 19:57 < PiLarry> oh, nuts 19:57 -!- PiLarry [~notlarry@129.59.115.4] has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:58 -!- PiLarry [~notlarry@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 19:58 < PiLarry> ok, that is better 19:59 <@brimstone> you don't look any better 20:01 < PiLarry> I know, *sigh*. 20:02 < PiLarry> Damn, working the weekend of AMMF. 20:02 < PiLarry> Think I get swag if I promise not to come to the fair? 20:02 < PiLarry> or at 20:02 < PiLarry> or in the general direction 20:03 < PiLarry> this is going no where 20:05 <@aestetix> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/23/gentil-ramirez-penis-surgery-amputated-viagra_n_3975407.html?ir=Weird+News 20:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Gentil Ramirez Has Penis Surgery After Too Much Viagra Leads To Horrifying Injury (at www.huffingtonpost.com) 21:10 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 21:31 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o PiLarry] by NotLarry 21:33 <@NotLarry> omfg 21:34 <@NotLarry> my coworker is wearing a t-shirt with something written on it. I have gone over the dress code with him before 21:36 -!- PiLarry [~notlarry@129.59.115.4] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:44 <@Dickie> Kill him. 21:45 <@aestetix> what is written on it 21:46 <@aestetix> does it say "vagina"? 21:49 < spaceB0x> I bet it does 21:49 <@oddball> NotLarry: How fucking difficult is "slacks and a polo shirt?" 21:50 <@oddball> Yes... Ed doesn't follow that, but when you've been at the place since it opened, you'll get to bend the rules too. 21:50 <@NotLarry> Ed even wears an overshirt to cover the harley logo 21:51 <@NotLarry> I am fighting against both Dickie and my inner child. 21:51 <@oddball> He's not wearing that denim vest every day anymore? 21:51 <@NotLarry> or maybe, oh my god, is Dickie my inner child? 21:51 <@NotLarry> yeah, that is what I ment. 21:51 <@NotLarry> meant even 21:57 <@oddball> Which I thought had a massive harley logo on the back... or am I misrembering. 21:57 <@NotLarry> I has an indian headdress 21:57 <@oddball> ah 21:58 <@NotLarry> or some similar image. I was there when he got it at a swap meet, had them sew it on. 21:58 <@NotLarry> er, it 21:58 <@NotLarry> wow, I could probably use a nap 21:59 <@NotLarry> oddball: the fun part is, we get to wear jeans, and now that doa (who crawl under users desks and shit) work in the building, and have to wear slacks, I've actually heard it bitched about to the new CIO. Yet my coworker feels he does not need to follow the rules. 22:06 -!- PiLarry [~notlarry@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 22:15 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has quit [Quit: Coyote finally caught me] 22:15 -!- mog [~mog@c-68-62-170-105.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:15 -!- mog [~mog@c-68-62-170-105.hsd1.al.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 22:15 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has joined #se2600 22:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mog] by ChanServ 22:18 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has left #se2600 ["Leaving"] 22:18 <@NotLarry> Ok, I'm looking at ghost in the machine, is there an explanation for why she is standing at attention with that "armor" on? 22:20 -!- mog [~mog@fsf/member/mog] has joined #se2600 22:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o mog] by ChanServ 22:20 -!- northrup [~jjn@173-14-101-193-nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 22:36 -!- ZombieChicken [~weechat@unaffiliated/forgottenwizard] has joined #se2600 22:36 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o ZombieChicken] by ChanServ 22:48 <@oddball> NotLarry: She's a freaking cyborg? 22:52 <@NotLarry> Ok, now I understand Garfield not having money for Jennifer Love Hewitt's wardrobe after the special affects budget, but anime? 22:54 <@eryc> what is ghost in the machine anyway 22:55 <@eryc> you dyslexic old fuck 23:09 <@NotLarry> oh fk me 23:09 <@NotLarry> ghost in the shell, my bad 23:09 <@NotLarry> damn coworker almost woke up on call for something with an ticket open for already. 23:09 <@NotLarry> I think it is time for monster.com 23:10 <@eryc> heh i'm just fucking with you 23:17 <@eryc> krispy kreme makes a good apple pie --- Log closed Tue Sep 24 00:00:15 2013