--- Log opened Thu Sep 05 00:00:57 2013 00:36 -!- northrup [~jjn@173-14-101-193-nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 00:36 <@aestetix> fuck yes air conditioner 01:16 < RangerZ> Evilpig_: why the hotel? 01:17 < RangerZ> Yahoo is having a new logo every day until they show their 'new branding' 01:23 <@Bahhumbug> People still use yahoo? 01:25 < Evilpig_> one of my coworkers uses it almost exclusively 01:25 <@Bahhumbug> 1998 called and want their crappy search engine and groups back 01:48 < RangerZ> it has more email accounts than google (and?) hotmail (combined?) 01:48 < RangerZ> or 'live' 'web outlook' or w/e they have named hotmail to now 01:51 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing about yahoo is worth a damn. 02:00 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwMukKqx-Os 02:00 < GateKeeper> Title: George Carlin About Rape - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 02:00 <@aestetix> I just sent this link to some angry feminists 02:02 <@Bahhumbug> Are you poking bears with sticks again? 02:08 <@aestetix> ok that was kind of magical 02:08 <@aestetix> Someone unfollowed me, and then twittered about it, as if to make it worse or something 04:51 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAQZlZ84Xeg 04:51 < GateKeeper> Title: FOURNIERS Gangrene Scrotum_0001dr.t.varun raju.wmv - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 04:51 <@aestetix> the music is what really does this 06:21 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has joined #se2600 06:21 < Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:21 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 06:39 < Evilpig_> people are trying to sleep in here. keep it down 06:40 <@Dolemite> You've got a funny way of trying to sleep 06:41 <@Dolemite> Your home state University emailed me last night. The data center manager there is presenting to his directors today to pitch using openDCIM in production. 06:41 < Evilpig_> who was it? 06:41 < Evilpig_> pm me a name 06:42 <@Dolemite> Not Murray State 06:42 <@Dolemite> Big blue 06:42 < Evilpig_> oh gotcha. wildcats 06:42 < Evilpig_> been thinking about the problem more 06:42 < Evilpig_> a many to many table like we use for tags might speed the process up 06:45 < Evilpig_> as soon as my laundry finishes washing i'm gonna turn in for a few hours. gotta get my haircut and all today 06:46 <@Dolemite> Well the way I had started to do the checks seems like an efficient way to do it. First check for global rights, and if so, don't bother to check on every single device. If not global, then compare against an in-memory array of what they are authorized to touch. 06:46 < Evilpig_> what i'm thinking of is similar 07:22 <@Catonic> oh my head 07:23 <@Catonic> and I didn't even drink 07:23 <@Catonic> ... except like a gallon of diet coke 08:48 <@rattle> There isn't enough coffee in the world . . . 09:16 <@Shadow404> waz up slackers! 09:16 <@Shadow404> Evilpig_: check out where im connecting from, woot 09:32 <@Shadow404> oh, so i have to make pn this year so i can get that con swag in the topic 09:48 <@Catonic> oh lawg 09:48 <@Catonic> *lawd 09:48 <@Catonic> Shadow404: good contact, about S1 on my end though 09:49 <@Catonic> I'm gonna have to pack a Baofeng radio for going to other cities... that or find a way to reprogram my radio on the road. 09:50 * Catonic goes hunting for a free vty 09:54 <@Catonic> renice -10 kcrypd, kcryptd_io and mdx_raid 09:54 < frsilent> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOHraf3LEk 09:54 < GateKeeper> Title: Batman Cant Stop Thinking About Sex - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 09:55 <@Catonic> nesticle? 09:59 <@Catonic> anyone got any pointers for analyzing high queue / wait times in Linux? 09:59 <@Dagmar> God damn I hate this place 09:59 <@Dagmar> Yes. Beat the shit out of your VMware admin. 09:59 * Catonic throws Dagmar something akin to racing fuel with a flavor. 10:00 <@Catonic> KVM is running on the system but I'm seeing high wait times on the bare metal system 10:00 <@Dagmar> Okay, so erm... whats the thing for disk throughput... Ah... iostat 10:01 <@Dagmar> Make sure your disks aren't pegging the ceiling of their throughput 10:01 <@Dagmar> ...and is this CPU wait or IO wait? 10:04 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:05 <@Shadow404> heh, you said pegging 10:06 <@Dagmar> Maybe it's time you considered reading less of whatever the disgusting crap you've been reading is 10:12 <@Catonic> wai 10:12 <@Dagmar> Catonic: If you've no idea what he's on about, it's a good thing 10:13 <@Catonic> cpu wait 10:13 <@Dagmar> How high a wait are we talking anyway, and where are you seeing it coming from? 10:13 <@Catonic> Shadow404: down, boy! Stop a-humpin' mah leg now. That ain't proper. 10:15 <@Dagmar> Are we talking like 5% or 90% of the clock time? 10:17 <@Catonic> ~55 10:17 <@Catonic> now I'm actually seeing throughput, before I wasn't 10:17 <@Catonic> and I have no idea where the delay is, but SMB -> XFS -> crypt -> md -> single disk = suck 10:18 <@Dagmar> could be a SMART test just kicked off then 10:18 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.146.159.229] has joined #se2600 10:18 <@Dagmar> Could be a lot of things 10:18 <@Dagmar> What the fuck does SMB have to do with it? 10:18 <@Catonic> SMART hasn't been the issue before. I've manually run those just to check the drives... 10:19 <@Dagmar> If you're running this shit off a mounted SMB volume instead of a real disk you deserve what you get 10:19 <@Catonic> I don't think SMB does, but I've seen instances where I've removed multiple 300 MB files and had to take forever to get that written out 10:19 <@Catonic> it's XFS... not like they actually delete anything anyway. 10:20 <@Dagmar> XFS doesn't delay on deleting files 10:20 <@Dagmar> ext3 might give you fits about it, but xfs won't 10:20 <@Catonic> I was using JFS but apparently JFS and VMWare do not work well together... 10:20 <@Catonic> then I ditched VMWare for KVM/qemu 10:21 <@Dagmar> You're using libvirt and virt-manager, I take it? 10:21 <@Catonic> correct 10:22 <@Catonic> FreeBSD performance is ugly... even with the appropriate drivers compiled in... max 3MB/s 10:22 <@Dagmar> wtf 10:22 <@Dagmar> What the hell are you using for a disk? A raid of Lt. Kernels? 10:22 <@Catonic> that's just virtio on fbsd; unrelated to issue at hand 10:23 -!- northrup [~jjn@173-14-101-193-nashville.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has left #se2600 ["Working, work..."] 10:23 <@Dagmar> I kinda doubt that 10:23 <@Dagmar> I don't know of any BSD people who would say "3Mb/s disk throughput is totally acceptable" unless the equipment is from 1995. 10:23 <@Shadow404> Catonic: yeah i could hear you fine on my side, so your tx was good 10:24 <@Shadow404> but yeah, i was staticy on your end when i heard the call out via your phone from my side 10:24 <@Dagmar> Catonic: On anything that's not a low-power museum piece you should be able to get 10x that 10:24 <@Catonic> drive is a 1TB 7200 RPM drive IIRC 10:25 <@Dagmar> If it's only doing 3Mb/s it's broken or hte cable is 10:25 <@Dagmar> Run hdparm 10:25 <@Dagmar> Do the happy little -tT test 10:25 <@Dagmar> 3Mb is just incredibly wrong 10:26 <@Dagmar> 16Mb was doable when we were all still excited about the new and shiny UDMA mechanisms 10:26 <@Dagmar> So yeah, if your disk or disk controller are completely fucked, and the CPU has to spend a shitload of time waiting on it, you're going to see high CPU wait 10:27 <@Dagmar> This is pretty much what was going on over here during commencement when some irresponsible fucking Windows admins had their mssql servers going completely apeshit and generating a jillion iops against the SAN and starving everything else 10:27 <@Catonic> power on hours, 9796 h 10:27 <@Dagmar> So it's a year old. Big deal 10:28 <@Catonic> I can get 60MB/s going from sdb to sda 10:28 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: and whats wrong with what i said earlier? 10:28 <@Catonic> from xfs/crypto -> ext3 10:28 <@Dagmar> You're not using hdparm yet 10:30 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: There's nothing innately funny about hte word 'pegging'. 10:32 <@Shadow404> heh, i dont mind the word that much 10:32 <@Shadow404> just depends on the person 10:32 <@Dagmar> I still half-suspect the cause of the high disk ops was someone was dumb enough to try defragging a fucking virtual disk 10:34 <@Catonic> At least you get high IOPS 10:35 <@Dagmar> No, we _weren't_ actually 10:35 <@Dagmar> Some fucking Windows admin was using them all up 10:35 <@Dagmar> I was seeing webservers doing a brisk 5Mb/s and lower 10:35 <@Dagmar> ...and this is on fucking multimode fiber SAN 10:36 <@Dagmar> Latency of operations in the _whole clock seconds_ range 10:37 <@Dagmar> This is one of the reasons I want *THE FUCK* out of this department 10:37 -!- v4mp [~v4mp@unaffiliated/v4mp] has joined #se2600 10:37 <@Dagmar> I personally identified the three things that were completely fucking us over, and get a 2% raise during the annual review 10:38 <@Dagmar> The Windows admins didn't have any idea there was a prblem, because those ignorant fucks think it's NORMAL when one of their webservers takes ten clock seconds to respond 10:39 <@Catonic> yup 10:39 <@Catonic> amen 10:39 <@Catonic> I wish I was going to PN, so we could get smashed and bitch about it together 10:39 <@Dagmar> Yeah and meanwhile I'm being asked to file change management reports and seek approval from someone else just to put in a fucking URL redirection change a customer asked for 10:40 <@Dagmar> These people don't fucking even know why they're here anymore 10:40 <@Catonic> Do those Windows admins behave as if they are the best at what they do? 10:40 <@Dagmar> Catonic: If they did I could browbeat one into riding herd over the rest of them 10:40 <@Dagmar> I'd rub their nose in it every time their people fuck up 10:41 <@Catonic> I almost beat an ISA admin within an inch of his life with the Cheswick/Bellovin book on firewalls. 10:42 <@Dagmar> There's a no-longer-trivial chance these people are going to hit my last nerve and I'm going to quit by emaling the the entire office (including the new CIO they brought in, formerly of IBM) in detail, what is wrong with them 10:42 <@Catonic> four _years_ later a problem emerges that I had a hint about before and it sends the network NARN BAT squad to my door because I'm the only one in the DC with actual redundant ethernet. 10:42 <@Dagmar> They've got it into their heads that they are the reason the machines are here. 10:43 <@Catonic> ... except that the ISA servers was the culprit. It makes up a MAC address and never participates in the ARP conversation to make that MAC useful. 10:44 <@Dagmar> They need a beating until they again come to grips with the fact that the _users_ are the reason the machines are here, and their jobs are to make the machines useful to the users, not to spend all day filling out fucking paperwork so they can say "look at all the paperwork I did" 10:44 <@Catonic> So the switches flood as a result. Which works. Until you move a lot of traffic into that area, and then the floods become absolutely massive. And the switch/router CPU goes up as well. 10:44 <@Dagmar> Catonic: A nice little shitstorm there. :) 10:45 <@Catonic> yup, and to this day, Nagios still reports duplicate pings. 10:45 -!- v4mp [~v4mp@unaffiliated/v4mp] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:46 <@Catonic> it was quite the little smurf amplifier. both ISA nodes have gigabit ethernet. 10:48 <@Catonic> it annoys me to notice something, point it out, and be told it doesn't matter 10:48 <@Catonic> especially when I can't get the numbers to support my claims because I don't have access to them. 10:48 <@Catonic> We had a situation where I was able to do that, got the second fiber port provisioned, and throughput when vertical like the shuttle 10:49 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 10:49 <@Catonic> PCs don't make good one-armed routers when you're moving storage around 10:50 <@Catonic> Dagmar: oh, and re: quitting... I saw that more or less happen... and the admin was 100% correct. But management blacklisted him from being employed again anywhere in the .org. 10:52 <@Catonic> He was RIF'd, the servers turned over to other admins in the short term, and when things started falling apart, picked up by another department 10:52 <@Catonic> in the mean time, accolades were had for the sucessful migration of $dept to $umbrella_org. 10:52 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-68-52-194-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 10:53 <@Dagmar> I'm still just shocked my boss considers it reasonable to introduce a 3-5 day delay to change a fucking RewriteRule, just because enough people WHO CAN'T FUCKING DO THIS THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY DON'T FUCKING KNOW HOW OR UNDERSTAND IT haven't gathered around to circle jerk together an approval for it 10:53 <@Dagmar> Like, what the fuck is wrong with these people 10:53 <@Catonic> the problem with forecasting doom is that they take it as a security risk, or they ignore it because "you don't know what you're talking about" or it's an informal analysis, and unless proven by a consultant, not worth anything. 10:54 <@Dagmar> The asshole actually intimated a few days ago that maybe we shoudl be filing change management requests to change DNS records for people. 10:54 <@Dagmar> I made it reasonably clear that was not going to happen. 10:54 <@Dagmar> I will fucking quit. 10:54 <@Catonic> ... and why isn't this process automated yet? 10:54 <@Dagmar> ITIL does not mean "generate as much paperwork as possible" 10:54 < nightcarnage> Hello everyone, how goes? 10:54 <@Catonic> The objective is to provide the best service at the lowest cost. 10:55 <@Catonic> and we're in computers... so automate everything 10:55 <@Catonic> embrace your inner slack... 10:55 <@Catonic> oh but then it looks like you're doing nothing and doing anything takes a "long time". 10:55 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Because whenever it comes to automating processes, they always turn the task over to a group that barely understands how to do anything, and than group calls for a bunch of meetings in order to get a very vague and nebulous idea about the process in question, where they then write a bunch of shitty fill-in forms in an archaic help desk system that still uses a lot of all-upppercase text for things... 10:56 <@Dagmar> ...which allows users to then go in and completely misread the vague shit on their screen and generate nearly incomprehensible service tickets. 10:56 <@Dagmar> Because yhou know, you can't possibly just say, "please send an email to dns-requests@v.e" 10:57 <@Dagmar> A dozen people haven't gathered around to pretend they had anything to do with that 10:58 <@Dagmar> Our focus has slowly shifted from managment of technology, to generating reports and bureaucratic overhead. 10:58 <@Dagmar> They've lost sight _completely_ of what it acutally is they're supposed to be doing. 10:58 <@Catonic> and so, something that could be slapped together in 40 hours with some PowerDNS, SQL, mod_perl.... requires a customized application running on $VENDOR's DB and using $VENDOR's Java platform. 10:58 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Specifically, BMC Magic Service Desk 10:58 <@Catonic> ESL? 10:59 <@Catonic> haven't run across that one yet 10:59 <@Dagmar> The Bain people had a lot of bad things to say about homebrewing things 10:59 <@Dagmar> Some of the managers wanted to say this means we shoudln't allow anyone to code anything, and get rid of Pegasus 11:00 <@Dagmar> Pegasus is the ticketing and help desk system the medical center uses, and they had their own people write it. 11:00 <@Catonic> of course. which is why a language like perl doesn't have any sort of modules to do with sanitizing input before handling said input over to the SQL engine 11:00 <@Dagmar> It's reliable, sensible, and functional. 11:00 <@Catonic> BURN IT! 11:00 <@Dagmar> Management doesn't understand Bain was talking about the amalgamation of _shit_ people have been coding to tie Oracle into Magic Service desk 11:01 <@Catonic> "It's unsupported!" "Our own people wrote it." "What if they quit and start a company selling software that does the same thing and stop supporting our software instance?" 11:01 <@Dagmar> ...and implying that I might be the type of person who generates said shit is another landmine someone's going to eventually step on around here. 11:01 <@Dagmar> I will strip them down to their soul verbally for that 11:02 <@Catonic> the part that kills me is that the slowest applications support person with a Ph. D. still asks me how to solve "simple" problems with things like ssh keys and authorized 11:02 <@Catonic> _keys 11:02 <@Dagmar> What's especially great is the number of times I *fix* said shit 11:03 <@Catonic> careful, you're gonna be underpaid if you keep that up. 11:03 <@Dagmar> 'Too late 11:03 <@Catonic> you're already working on the bad attitude. 11:03 <@Catonic> dude, I think you know it, I know it. The writing is on the wall for you. Get another job.. 11:03 <@Dagmar> Dude, my attitude would kill millions in Africa if it were allowed out on it's own 11:04 <@Dagmar> I applied for a transfer to a different group of Unix people here just a couple of days ago 11:04 <@Catonic> can't let yourself get a bad attitude... 11:04 <@Dagmar> If HR tries to fuck with me and block the transfer, I'm just going to quit and file a lawsuit 11:04 <@Catonic> well,you can but you don't want to be a poison pill 11:04 <@Dagmar> I don't fucking care that they will have no one to maintain their machines anymore 11:04 <@Dagmar> That's their problem. 11:05 <@Dagmar> They created it. 11:05 -!- ragechin [~chin@unaffiliated/coder365] has joined #se2600 11:05 < ragechin> mog: ping 11:05 <@Catonic> and so, we hire the vendor to run them for us 11:05 <@Dagmar> It's not my responsibility to continue working 14 hours out of every day trying to keep up with this shit 11:05 <@mog> ragechin, a powerful PONG 11:05 <@Dagmar> Especially when they're paying me all of $57k 11:05 <@Catonic> that's your first mistake.. never put in more than 8 11:05 < ragechin> mog: you haven't moved to Austin, have you? 11:05 <@Catonic> wow. 11:05 <@Dagmar> Catonic: Oh I hit another breaking point when I filed for that transfer to EAI 11:06 <@Dagmar> I'm going to put everything through Change Management now 11:06 <@Catonic> oh... the starting wage was above what you are making? 11:06 <@mog> ragechin, no not yet 11:06 <@Dagmar> The more important the project is, the more I'm going to insist on putting it through change management 11:06 <@mog> there something for me out there? 11:06 < ragechin> mog: okay. I just saw your doppleganger in the office, then. 11:06 < ragechin> it was super trippy 11:06 <@Dagmar> Catonic: I make $500 more a month than the lowest HR will pay for this job description 11:07 <@Dagmar> The _midpoint_ for the position is $75k 11:07 <@Dagmar> But basically as of two days ago, I am going to see to it that exactly nothing gets done in less than half a day 11:07 <@mog> ragechin, i need photos 11:07 <@Dagmar> Most things are going to take 3-5 days now 11:07 <@mog> THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE 11:08 <@Dagmar> I tried to outline how we should be approaching these problems, and I was ignored. 11:08 <@Dagmar> So... fuck these morons 11:09 <@Catonic> we have some openings 11:09 <@Catonic> but they are about the same. And I can already tell you who one of your coworkers would be. 12:03 <@aestetix> heh 12:03 <@aestetix> why do people go into explanation 12:04 <@aestetix> If you can't make a meeting time or commit to a project, just say "too busy right now, sorry" 12:04 <@aestetix> Don't give me your life story 12:04 <@aestetix> I get that you're busy. It happens. I don't care that you're overwhelmed dealing with ____ 12:05 <@Dagmar> It's because they've been trained by idiots into explaining everything in detail 12:06 <@Dagmar> You know, the sort of people (like my boss) who wanted me to outline a "our procedure" for setting up new domains. 12:06 <@Dagmar> I'm not about to write a "procedure" for that. 12:07 <@Dagmar> Either you already know how that fucking process works and where the management interface for our DNS stuff is, or you should not be pretending you can do that shit 12:07 <@Dagmar> If you need it explained to you, you simply shouldn't be doing it. 12:07 <@aestetix> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0OD0EEkJdQ 12:07 < GateKeeper> Title: John Cages 433" - Dubstep Remix - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 12:08 <@Dagmar> hehe 12:10 <@aestetix> Dagmar: I guess so. 12:10 <@aestetix> I just got this kind of rambling email making excuses for not being part of a project I was inviting someone to 12:11 <@aestetix> I simply replied "No worries!" 12:33 <@Shadow404> i need a vacation already 12:42 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:51 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 13:27 -!- rhia [~rhia@50-47-19-104.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.146.159.229] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:29 -!- rhia [~rhia@50-47-19-104.evrt.wa.frontiernet.net] has joined #se2600 13:30 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rhia] by ChanServ 13:34 <@Mirage> Dagmar: You haven't qut yet? 13:44 <@Catonic> idles 37 wait 49 13:44 <@Catonic> sustaining 3MB/s writing 13:45 <@Catonic> 6000 context switches, 1k interrupts 13:45 <@Catonic> system / user in single digita 13:45 <@Catonic> *digits 13:50 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I told you I'm ludicrously stubborn about this stuff 13:51 <@Dagmar> if they want me to quit, they're going to have to say so, explicitly. 13:51 <@Dagmar> Trying to force me out by making things ridiculous is just going to make me transfer to a different departmnet 13:51 <@Dagmar> I'm sure they'll find my consulting rates afterwards quite outrageous. 13:52 <@Catonic> the bounus point on change control is that if you require it of the user/requestor, and people start asking where the delays are... well, they show up in management and in change control boards. 13:52 <@Catonic> "Well, we did exactly twhat you asked for... what do you mean it doesn't work?" 13:53 <@Catonic> it's a totally wrong-headed corpthink philosophy, which usually frfrustrates the users enough to take up firearms polishing as a committed hobby. 13:54 <@Catonic> Dagmar: figure out who regularly does consulting at $corp. Then, convince them to hire you. 13:54 <@Catonic> OTOH, we've had warm bodies that Dell provided us that didn't know ass from hole in the ground. 14:00 <@aestetix> http://icontherecord.tumblr.com/ 14:00 < GateKeeper> Title: IC ON THE RECORD (at icontherecord.tumblr.com) 14:03 <@aestetix> who can tell me what's wrong with this 14:04 < oddball> I think I just read on Facebook that my Grandmother just passed. 14:05 <@aestetix> oddball: if that is true, I'm sorry to hear that 14:05 <@Dolemite> oddball: Didn't she pass several years ago? 14:05 < oddball> Dolemite: This is my other grandmother. 14:05 < oddball> People do tend to have 2 of them. 14:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 14:05 <@aestetix> unless they have gay parents 14:06 <@aestetix> er, grandparents 14:06 <@Dolemite> oddball: True, mine have just been gone for so long. Either way, if it's true, I'm sorry to hear so. 14:07 <@oddball> Thanks. I'm trying to get confirmation from my dad, but his cellphone is off (which probably means he's in court) 14:07 <@aestetix> I hope that means your dad is a lawyer 14:07 <@oddball> He is 14:09 <@Dagmar> Pssht. two sets of grandparents? 14:09 <@Dagmar> I'll remind you that we're still in the south. 14:10 <@Dagmar> You can't just assume things like that 14:14 <@aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security 14:14 < GateKeeper> Title: US and UK spy agencies defeat privacy and security on the internet | World news | theguardian.com (at www.theguardian.com) 14:31 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04 <@Mirage> Dagmar: So, have they backfilled my position yet? 15:06 <@Dagmar> Not yet 15:06 <@Dagmar> ...and Sean turned in his notice. 15:06 <@Mirage> About damned time 15:06 <@Dagmar> ...and god help them if I hear that HR did something to interfere with me transferring. 15:06 <@Dagmar> I will turn in my resignation on the spot. 15:06 <@Mirage> And I doubt it'll be any more work load on you really...since he did do shit 15:06 <@Dagmar> I ain't playin with these people anymore 15:07 <@Dagmar> I've just about convinced myself that Scott was just plain lying through his teeth to me about the equity assessment hting. 15:07 <@Mirage> EAI re-open Clay or Alan's positions? 15:07 <@Dagmar> You might be able to hear me yell "HOGAN!" from down in Texas if I ever find out 15:07 <@Dagmar> Mirage: They have a position open 15:07 <@Dagmar> I put in my CV for it 15:08 <@Dagmar> I figure the interview might take all of 30 minutes 15:08 <@Dagmar> heh 15:08 <@Mirage> Talk to Steve yet? 15:08 <@Dagmar> I'm not even going to care what "reason" someone has in HR 15:08 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I'm probably going to drop him a line on Monday and find out if HR "filtered" my resume out or something 15:09 <@Dagmar> I'm trying not to push for any kind of special treatment, because at this point, if HR fucks with me, I'll sue. 15:09 <@Dagmar> THey haven't exactly left me any choice. 15:09 <@Mirage> You'll need to talk to Steve and Daryl in EAI about it, then Zafar. If you get an offer from EAI, make a copy and send it to Bari ASAP 15:10 <@Dagmar> I thought I was supposed to fill out the million-and-one pickboxes on the HR site for it, and then wait 15:10 <@Mirage> Steve can request your resume from HR if he knows you applied and wants to hire/interview you for the position. 15:11 <@Dagmar> Ahh... 15:11 <@Dagmar> What's Steve's last name again? 15:11 <@Mirage> Bartlett 15:11 <@Dagmar> Danke 15:11 <@Dagmar> Your position is still open 15:12 <@Mirage> For the departmental transfer, it'll have to be signed off on by both Daryl Boone and Zafar. Oh, and Zafar gets to dictate the "notice" period required if you do get the job. 15:13 <@Dagmar> I'm flat out asking for the mid-range for the position. 15:13 <@Dagmar> I'll see what they make of that. 15:13 <@oddball> Dagmar: Thanks for reminding me... I still need to apply for shits and giggles. 15:13 <@Mirage> Sadly I'm reminded, once again, of just how much red tape BS there was at Vandy..and how well I learned to work the system to get shit done. 15:13 <@Dagmar> If ANYONE wants to say I can't transfer because it would leave ITS shorthanded, that's another "I will quit on the spot" condition 15:13 <@Dagmar> oddball: ID1307236 15:13 <@Dagmar> That's Troy's old position 15:14 <@Mirage> Zafar is the one with that power. 15:14 <@Dagmar> Zafar can fix these webservers his damn self for all I care 15:14 <@Dagmar> I've not ruled him out as being part of the problem of the overdose of bureucracy they've got here. 15:14 <@Dagmar> I mean hell... Hogan's title is Assistant Director and he claims he can't approve changes on his own? 15:15 <@Dagmar> What the fuck is that shit? 15:15 <@Dagmar> If I actually adhered to procedure as he defines things, we would miss all our SLAs 15:15 <@Mirage> The same change mgmt policy that's always been in place, pretty much. 15:15 <@Dagmar> Peter was telling me they've already turned someone away from the datacenter stuff... because apparently we now refuse to support WordPress 15:16 <@Dagmar> Like, ffs... They've completely forgotten that unless we're providing useful services to the users, _we have no jobs_ 15:16 <@Mirage> Kevin would tell us to put in a change and just do it, but he was willing to take the heat for the change being performed outside of the normal procedure 15:16 <@Dagmar> Yes, that's reasonable. It's his call to make. 15:17 <@Dagmar> Hogan either can't take responsibilty, or _won't_ take responsibility 15:17 <@Dagmar> I suspect the man lies about a lot of things. 15:17 <@Mirage> Hogan would never do something like that unless it was for political reasons 15:17 <@Dagmar> If I find out he lied to me about why he blocked the equity assessment, it'll be goddamn WWIII up in here. 15:18 <@oddball> Dagmar: hmmm... that number came up with nothing. 15:18 <@Dagmar> If he was fucking me over to avoid the mere possibility that it might seem like he was doing something that could get him noticed, I will have a very hard time ever speaking to him again without the F-word being involved, a LOT 15:19 <@Dagmar> oddball: I'm lookig right at it Linux/Unix System Administrator-1307236 15:19 <@Dagmar> I wonder if they've been stupid enough to keep it visible to only internal applicants still 15:19 <@oddball> ah, found it. Forgot about the stupidity that is vandy's job page. 15:20 <@Dagmar> Only the janitors might be unaware these positions are laden with more bullshit than people would believe 15:21 <@oddball> Had someone on facebook telling folks to quit their whining about employment. He's been "looking to hire" a few positions for 2 years. 5 people immediately responded saying "I want job." 15:21 <@oddball> This tells us either 1. he hasn't actually been looking, or 2. he's wanting entirely too much for too little pay. 15:22 <@Dagmar> There's the main problem lately. 15:23 <@Dagmar> People running around claiming they can't find qualified people, when the matter is that they're unable to find qualified people willing to work for pay that would make an intern sneer. 15:23 <@oddball> Yeah... I was one of the folks that said "I need job," otherwise I would have laid into him. 15:23 <@oddball> yep. 15:23 <@Dagmar> "Oh but we need an increase in H1-B workers becuase we can't find anyone stateside" 15:23 <@Dagmar> Bullshit 15:23 <@oddball> Still getting offers for IT positions for $10-$12/hour. My response everytime? "fuck you." 15:23 <@Dagmar> I don't blame you there. 15:24 <@oddball> "but we'll up your pay after x amount of time." "bullshit." 15:24 <@Dagmar> Hell John Roden got a Juniper cert while was working at that last place, and just wound up taking a job washing dishes at Bongo 15:24 <@Dagmar> ...which he's rather happy with. 15:25 <@oddball> All this, while there are apparently folks striking across the nation to get $15/hour from flipping burgers. 15:26 <@Dagmar> Yep 15:27 <@Dagmar> Fuckers need to get the hint that technical support positions are not "unskilled worker" or "semi-skilled worker" positions 15:27 <@Dagmar> Until they do their support departments will contiue to suck ass and undermine everything they try to accomplish 15:28 <@aestetix> so uh 15:28 <@aestetix> can sqlite handle a lot of traffic? 15:28 <@Dagmar> What do you mean by "a lot" 15:28 <@Dagmar> It's not meant to be put under heavy load 15:28 <@aestetix> maybe a thousand reads and writes perssecond 15:28 <@Dagmar> Hence... "lite" 15:28 <@aestetix> hmm ok 15:29 <@aestetix> ok, then I'll go with mysql for thi 15:29 <@Dagmar> If you're not talking about massive queries and you're not trying to run it on a netbook it'll probably work 15:29 <@aestetix> not massive 15:29 <@aestetix> simple inserts and reads 15:30 <@eryc> you need hadoop 15:31 <@Dagmar> aestetix: It should be able to handle that 15:31 <@Dagmar> If you're going to be doing a lot of reading and writing to the same records at the same time, you probably want something more ACID-compliant 15:32 <@Dagmar> ...but if it's the common case of many reads, few writes, no big deal 15:32 <@Shadow404> oddball: i get those all the time, or the ones asking me to move to rhode island, colorado, or some remote state 15:34 <@Shadow404> yeah, ive really noticed more support departments using offshore phone/live chat reps using scripts 15:34 <@Shadow404> you give them all the troubleshooting steps youve taken upfront and they still go right over what you already done 15:34 <@Shadow404> like changing outlets, testing ports with other working devices etcs for example 15:34 <@Shadow404> and they have no intelligence 15:35 <@Shadow404> they end up creating longer call ques and frustrating customers and undermining brand/product confidence 15:36 <@Shadow404> for example i spent 30 minutes going back and forth re-taking the steps i already had tried before calling just becuse it was in their script and had to be completed to get to the RMA point 15:36 <@Shadow404> someone with simple intelligence could of skipped half of those steps 15:37 <@Shadow404> there was maybe one or two unique to that product hard reboot process steps that would take 2 mins to try, but ended up taking 10 minutes to understand them through the language barrier 15:44 <@Dagmar> Yeah I just won't deal with someone who can't both listen and speak English anymore. 15:44 <@Dagmar> I'll just tell them point blank I'll just throw the whatever in the trash and buy one made by someone else. 15:45 <@oddball> Shadow404: If you think it's difficult to understand them when you're calling them with an issue, it's 10 times worse when they're calling you. 15:46 <@Shadow404> yeah, i use to have an indian company that use to use our transatlantic fiber 15:46 <@Shadow404> that was fun to work with them 15:46 <@Shadow404> not really 15:46 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: yeah, i get so frustrated 15:46 <@Shadow404> half the time they dont listen and just repeat the same damn question 15:47 <@Shadow404> "hello im shadow4040...my problem is this" 15:47 <@Shadow404> "ok, thank you sir, can i first get your name" 15:47 <@Shadow404> "didnt i just give you my name 1 second agao" 15:47 <@Shadow404> "please sir, can you needfully your name" 15:47 <@Shadow404> FUCKKKKKK 15:47 <@Shadow404> listen to the person calling you 15:51 <@aestetix> Dagmar: yes, many reads, few writes 15:57 <@Dagmar> fuck me 15:58 <@Dagmar> I just realized that all this time I've had the ability to just _give myself_ the dagmar@v.e mail address 16:09 -!- northrup [~jjn@link.8bitwizard.net] has joined #se2600 16:10 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:13 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 16:26 <@Mirage> Dagmar: at the SMTP layer anyway. 16:29 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:36 < northrup> ? 16:36 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-68-52-194-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:38 -!- nightcarnage [~nightcarn@c-68-52-194-45.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:31 <@Corydon76-work> Fuckers. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/05/nsa-gchq-encryption-codes-security? 17:32 < GateKeeper> Title: US and UK spy agencies defeat privacy and security on the internet | World news | theguardian.com (at www.theguardian.com) 17:40 < northrup> Interesting 17:43 < Evilpig_> Mirage: I thought he could through the peoplefinder options too. or is that just limited to the first.last, etc? 17:48 < northrup> hlovcbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb ... 17:48 < northrup> ... bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb ... 17:48 < northrup> ... bbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbb ... 17:48 -!- northrup was kicked from #se2600 by oddball [northrup] 17:55 <@oddball> apparently northrup spilled coffee... don't know why he hasn't rejoined. 17:57 <@oddball> So... talking to various family members today about my Grandmother dying last night, I discover that a cousin I grew up with is getting a divorce, and my dad has prostrate cancer. 17:57 <@aestetix> man 17:57 <@aestetix> just how much worse can the NSA stuff get 17:58 <@oddball> aestetix: I take it you read about the "ssl, yeah, we can/do break that" stuff? 17:58 <@aestetix> among other things 17:58 <@aestetix> I already suspected that was the case though 17:59 <@aestetix> I wound up on the same flight as william binney to 29c3.... we had a chat about that 17:59 <@aestetix> he didn't come right out and say it, but he hinted at it 17:59 <@oddball> 29c3? 17:59 <@aestetix> oh, the conference in germany 17:59 <@oddball> ah, ok 18:00 <@aestetix> the guy who was at NSA for 37 years before whistleblowing 18:00 -!- northrup [~jjn@link.8bitwizard.net] has joined #se2600 18:01 < northrup> Sorry about the copious 'bbb...' bombing folks, coffee met with panic on the keyboard. 18:02 <@aestetix> oddball: the thing that really gets me 18:02 <@aestetix> the NSA is doing all this shit, totally sanctioned by the president, etc 18:02 <@aestetix> meanwhile, we sent barrett brown to prison for 100 years for linking to pirated documents 18:02 <@aestetix> and weev to prison for 3 years for pissing off ATT 18:03 < northrup> I wouldn't look to our government for 'fair' or 'consistant' action. 18:04 <@aestetix> northrup: I would at least try to look to them for legal action 18:04 <@aestetix> that doesn't seem to happen either though 18:06 < northrup> Looking at TFA, what does that mean for the general user though? 18:07 < northrup> I mean, take for example https traffic... the source of apache or nginx is open, you can inspect it. 18:07 < northrup> as is the source for openssl 18:07 < northrup> and mod_ssl 18:07 < northrup> is the article positing that the Govt can rip through a 2048 bit encrypted SSL session? 18:08 < northrup> or more that it's easier for them to compramise the machine that the content is being displayed upon after it's rendered and unencrypted? 18:16 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:26 <@oddball> aestetix: We've been under the dillusion that our government has our best interests in mind for far too long. 18:26 < northrup> oddball: So very true! 18:29 <@oddball> I've gone from merely considering people who say "it's not a problem if you have nothing to hide" as idiots to wanting to punch them in the face. 18:30 < northrup> I don't understand how we went from something that the framers through was FUNDAMENTAL to something that the average person is "meh" over. 18:32 < northrup> well, I mean, I guess in the same way that 40+% of our population doesn't give a shit and doesn't vote. 18:37 <@eryc> you guys are just criminals 18:48 <@Catonic> CRIMS 19:13 <@aestetix> penis 19:30 < RangerZ> cervix 19:31 <@aestetix> vlavia 19:32 < northrup> vulva 19:36 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:46 <@Bahhumbug> oddball: My deepest condolences to you and your family. 19:59 <@oddball> Thanks 20:00 <@oddball> Got an update on my dad. They've detected it early, so there's a rather good chance of being able to get it all. 20:08 <@Bahhumbug> Treatment (and early detection) has come quite far since my dad was diagnosed in '85 and passed in '87. I wish your father the best. 20:08 <@Dagmar> oddball: Good news 20:09 -!- LastChild [~LastChld@DHCP-129-59-41-106.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600 20:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o LastChild] by ChanServ 20:09 <@LastChild> Dagmar: here now 20:13 <@Dagmar> So I just had to file a report on rxdealer2011 because he was definitely using the broot mod client 20:13 <@Dagmar> I didn't say anything about it when I saw him with it, but I find this to be very disappointing. 20:13 <@Dagmar> The damn smurfs don't seem to be learning 20:14 <@LastChild> well the fact that niantic has done absolutely nothing to discourage the cheating I think promotes them in thinking they are untouchable 20:15 <@Bahhumbug> The answer is obvious. A very public beating of an offender or two. 20:15 <@LastChild> I concur 20:17 <@LastChild> isn't broot just for lower res screens tho? 20:17 <@Dagmar> If Niantic is deliberately letting this go on, Joe Philley needs to admit to it 20:17 <@Dagmar> If he does, the gloves are coming off. 20:17 <@Dagmar> We'll show them how actual hackers work 20:18 <@LastChild> does broot do something else i'm not aware of other than lower res and disable animations? 20:18 <@Dagmar> Gives an inventory grid screen, lets you mass-drop (probably) and a few other things 20:19 <@LastChild> ah, okay been a while since i even looked at it 20:19 <@Dagmar> The important thing is that Niantic has made it very clear, up to and including saying something to the original developer back in May, that such a thing is verboten. 20:20 <@Dagmar> Disables sparkles, lets the client run faster... which definitely provides an uneven playing field. 20:20 <@Dagmar> We ain't havin' that shit 20:20 <@Dagmar> http://ingress-apk-mod.o4kapuk.info/ 20:20 <@LastChild> Well Niantic says a lot of things but never seems to enforce and when you bitch they offer you invites for recompense 20:20 < GateKeeper> Title: Ingress "broot" mod (at ingress-apk-mod.o4kapuk.info) 20:20 <@LastChild> yeah looking at it now 20:21 <@Dagmar> It's not exaxctly cool with me if they're quietly encouraging this shit while people who can actually wreak some havoc are sitting around playing legit 20:21 <@LastChild> oh i agree totally 20:54 <@aestetix> vagina 22:02 -!- northrup [~jjn@link.8bitwizard.net] has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:53 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Fri Sep 06 00:00:58 2013