--- Log opened Wed Aug 21 00:00:40 2013 00:06 < RangerZ1> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/08/google-announces-helpouts-a-help-for-cash-video-chat-service/ 00:06 < GateKeeper> Title: Google announces Helpouts, a help-for-cash video chat service | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) 00:06 < RangerZ1> I could see a lot of geeks offering up tech advice for some extra cash 00:24 -!- sasquatc3 [~sasquatc4@c-24-9-178-168.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:26 < Evilpig_> DAMN YOU IE!!!! 00:26 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-24-9-178-168.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 00:44 < Evilpig_> once again having to jump through fucking hoops to work around IE 00:44 < Evilpig_> Standards motherfucker, STANDARDS! 01:02 <@aestetix> lol 01:10 <@aestetix> penis 01:12 < Evilpig_> fuckin' mongo is not here again 01:12 < Evilpig_> no call, no notice whatsoever 01:37 < Evilpig_> AH HA! FINALLY! 01:38 < Evilpig_> at least tracked the problem back 01:38 < Evilpig_> fucking IE 01:38 < Evilpig_> attaching an onload event to a poopup and IE isn't firing it 02:25 <@LastChild> poopup? 02:25 <@LastChild> lol 03:11 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @critch, @rattle, @aestetix, @Catonic, Vyrus001, Y_S 03:12 -!- Netsplit over, joins: aestetix, Vyrus001 03:13 -!- critch [~critch@70-88-0-209-nashville-tn.hfc.comcastbusiness.net] has joined #se2600 03:13 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-45-236.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 03:13 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@74.10.169.2] has joined #se2600 03:13 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@74.10.169.2] has quit [Changing host] 03:13 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 03:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 03:13 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 03:17 -!- Y_S [~Y_S@95.47.141.46] has joined #se2600 03:17 -!- Y_S [~Y_S@95.47.141.46] has quit [Changing host] 03:17 -!- Y_S [~Y_S@unaffiliated/y-s/x-4148625] has joined #se2600 03:57 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:58 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 05:19 -!- LastChild [~LastChld@DHCP-129-59-41-106.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Quit: and the monkey flips the switch] 06:31 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 06:33 -!- Synx|hm_ [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:44 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:55 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has joined #se2600 06:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 06:55 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 06:59 < Evilpig_> fuck ie. fuck it in its fucking ass 07:01 <@Dolemite> Yeah, pretty much 07:01 <@Dolemite> So what the hell was up with that comment from dirtyharrycallahan? 07:02 <@Dolemite> Evilpig_: Did you check out those web sites I sent you links to? 07:03 < Evilpig_> I think he's wanting me to make some crazy commits and stuff like "killthechildren" should instead be abortion 07:03 < Evilpig_> uhhhh yes. 07:03 < Evilpig_> I didn't see the overall similarity. I was amused that we were listed as a comparison and we do have some of the features they claimed we didn't 07:03 <@Dolemite> Yeah, for drackula 07:04 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 07:04 <@Dolemite> I thought we were less similar to that than device42 07:04 * Dolemite farts on aestetix 07:04 < Evilpig_> the device42 I didn't want to sign up to browse. 07:04 < aestetix> What is this new cologne you have 07:04 <@Dolemite> Evilpig_: I found a screenshot page for it somewhere 07:04 < Evilpig_> I didn't dig that much. 07:05 <@Dolemite> Evilpig_: How full is the speaker schedule for PN? There's a guy in the NCCS group that indicated an interest in speaking next year, and I told him there's no time like the present. 07:05 < Evilpig_> just for future reference. window.popup.load() <-- works in FF, Chrome, etc but not IE 07:05 <@Dolemite> He's apparently involved with B-Sides. 07:05 < Evilpig_> I would love to have him 07:06 < Evilpig_> I haven't heard much on speakers since I gave the list to jonnyx 07:06 <@Dolemite> Ah, ok, I'll see if I can talk him into doing it this year 07:06 <@Dolemite> Of course, his schedule may not allow it, but we'll see 07:14 <@Dolemite> Not bad. L8 Reso [x4] and L8 Burster [x4] in one hack. 07:14 <@Dolemite> Any Ingress players notice an extreme decline in the amount of keys given out in hacks since 1.33.0 went live? 07:20 < Evilpig_> yes 07:20 < Evilpig_> but we have also found how to get them when you want extras too 07:21 < Evilpig_> goto a deviceview and click the print button at the bottom. does NOT work in IE. fuck IE. 07:21 < Evilpig_> I spent probably 4 hours last night trying every work around I could think of for that. I was ready to destroy things from the rage it built 07:25 <@Dolemite> So do you agree with my fix for the rights management when running in non-interactive mode? 07:25 < Evilpig_> the cli thing. works for me 07:26 < Evilpig_> I shortened your sql too 07:27 <@Dolemite> I haven't finished it all up. I'm still writing in easy to understand and debug mode. 07:28 < Evilpig_> the only thing different in those two statements was the one term. so cut out the excess and put the if on that term 07:28 < Evilpig_> very minor 07:28 <@Dolemite> Ugh. IE isn't wanting to pull up my DCIM test or production site - it won't even prompt for the user/password. Chrome is working on it just fine. 07:29 <@Dolemite> Apparently the GPO monkeys have been at it overnight. 07:29 < Evilpig_> chrome was giving me fits with shit last night. but now it's time to go home. later 07:29 <@Dolemite> There it goes finally 07:30 <@Dolemite> I have no 'Print' view at the bottom 07:30 < Evilpig_> only on device view and only in chrome and FF 07:30 < Evilpig_> it's a JS button addition 07:30 < Evilpig_> i'll be back in 30. headed home 07:30 <@Dolemite> I see 07:31 < aestetix> Time to get naked, fart a few times, and slip into bed 07:35 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o critch] by ChanServ 08:09 <@Dolemite> Evilpig_: You back on yet? 08:27 < Evilpig_> yes 08:27 < Evilpig_> I saw the email about IE 08:28 < Evilpig_> I loathe IE. it's acting like the function isn't even getting called but no errors on the script console. Might as well rewrite it using jquery. it'll be fairly quick, I think. just not thinking clearly enough right now to do it 08:28 <@Dolemite> Well I was mainly asking because of the admin issue, but I found the error, fixed it, and committed 08:29 <@Dolemite> But yeah, if you can fix that one thing in IE it will help, because all of the conference room PCs around here have IE only, so whenever I'm showing something from DCIM in a meeting, it looks horrible. 08:30 <@Dolemite> Oh, and did you see my comment about needing to set a % threshold for inclusion in the network capacity report? 08:30 < Evilpig_> I see the admin fix. weird. wonder when that got changed 08:30 < Evilpig_> yeah. I was otherwise consumed last night and didn't get around to doing it. thinking about using sliders. cause sliders are cool 08:31 < Evilpig_> you need a bigger monitor then. cause the wide view looks better, imo 08:32 < Evilpig_> you ever find the print button? 08:32 <@Dolemite> I'm adding in a basic number on the NetworkThreshold config item right now, using your SpaceCritical as a template. You can change them all to sliders later if you want. 08:32 <@Dolemite> Yep, I found the print button in Chrome. Nice addition. 08:33 < Evilpig_> I wish I could make it work in IE though. that really pissed me off 08:33 < Evilpig_> I have other ways to make it happen but I was trying to be code friendly and just use the info available and just slice and dice it up a bit. 08:34 < Evilpig_> ... fuck me. why didn't I think of that before. i'm being retarded. I have a better way, I think. i'll try it later when I wake up. it'll be IE friendly too maybe. 08:35 < Evilpig_> okay attempting that sleep thing now. stupid mongo didn't show up again last night 08:40 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@c-98-193-176-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 08:40 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@c-98-193-176-32.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Changing host] 08:40 -!- Dagmar [~dagmar@unaffiliated/dagmar] has joined #se2600 08:40 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dagmar] by ChanServ 09:11 <@critch> argghh, risk adverse boss has bit us again... 09:12 <@critch> He is afraid to learn something new because he might have to support it. He'd rather use something that isn't a good fit because he can say someone else would be to blame. 09:19 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:23 <@eryc> i think you mean averse 09:25 -!- Dolemite [80db310d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.128.219.49.13] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:37 <@Dagmar> ugh 09:38 <@Dagmar> throay feels like I sleep-ate have; 09:38 <@Dagmar> er gravel 09:50 <@Dagmar> damn 09:50 <@Dagmar> javing some kind of allergy thing... my @$% hands are swollen 09:52 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 09:54 <@critch> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/omate/omate-truesmart-water-resistant-standalone-smartwa 09:54 < GateKeeper> Title: Omate TrueSmart: Water-resistant standalone Smartwatch 2.0 by Omate Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com) 09:57 <@critch> eryc: While I think you are right, I think either word would work in this case. 10:03 <@eryc> its like saying he's the sworn enemy of risk versus he avoids risk 10:03 <@eryc> being a risk adversary is kind of fun tho 10:23 <@rattle> The comedy and hypocrisy continues.. http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/julian-assanges-wikileaks-party-running-mate-leslie-cannold-quits-20130821-2sb99.html 10:35 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:36 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.145.96.236] has joined #se2600 10:52 <@Corydon76-work> Bradley Manning got 35 years. 10:56 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has joined #se2600 11:00 <@Dagmar> What a load of shit 11:00 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@129.59.115.4] has quit [Client Quit] 11:00 <@Dagmar> They're certainly going to be appealing that 11:10 <@rattle> He got a fair trial. He'll be eligible for parole in ten years. 11:11 <@rattle> He was responsible for one of the largest security breaches in history. He's paying for it. 11:11 -!- strages [uid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dvxidogxhbkociry] has joined #se2600 11:11 <@rattle> That's the other side of being a martyr. 11:11 <@Dagmar> Let me ask you... Was it even possible to leak that much data 15 years ago? 11:12 < strages> long time folks 11:12 <@Dagmar> Whether or not it was the "largest" breach is something that's a function of technology--not what his intent was 11:12 <@Dagmar> There have surely been more _damaaging_ leaks with far less data involved 11:12 < strages> are those involved with phreaknic aware of the mini maker faire happening the 21st in Nashville? 11:13 < strages> http://www.makerfairenashville.com/ 11:13 <@Dagmar> Man... fuck these people 11:14 <@rattle> I see a big difference between selectively leaking information in the public interest, and disseminating entire databases. One of the reasons he's so fucked, is he was indiscriminate about what he released. 11:14 <@rattle> The dude set back government transparency ten years. 11:14 <@Dagmar> I got a request yesterday about adding a fileshare to the bloody streaming media server and I've got people hitting me with email after email about whether or not it's ready 11:15 <@rattle> There are a few layers of irony to it as well.. If you look at the political goals of wikileaks and whatnot, the Manning leaks have actually done more to give the last word on which foreign officials are shady to US officials than anyone else. 11:15 <@Dagmar> I'm sorry but when you perpetually understaff a department, some shit is going to take some *time* to sort out when it's former SME is no longer here 11:15 <@rattle> Do a Lexis search or two on references to the leaked cables.. It's not exactly what these folks intended. 11:15 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.145.96.236] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:16 <@rattle> More careers of good foreign service offices have been damaged than bad ones. 11:16 <@Dagmar> rattle: Wait... so you're saying that politician around the world are engaged in misrepresentation and clandestine activities? 11:16 <@Dagmar> UN-POSSIBLE. 11:17 <@rattle> If this was just able selective leaks.. Like the Apache attack that killed the Reuters folks.. I might be a Manning supporter. 11:17 <@rattle> http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/03/01/according_to_wikileaks_the_journalistic_legacy_of_bradley_manning 11:17 < GateKeeper> Title: According to Wikileaks: The journalistic legacy of Bradley Manning | FP Passport (at blog.foreignpolicy.com) 11:17 <@Dagmar> Most of what I saw just let us know we've got a bunch of shallow frat boys involved in diplomacy 11:17 <@Dagmar> Not exactly new or world-shattering 11:18 <@Dagmar> Who would have ever suspected diplomats to be gossip hounds 11:20 <@rattle> If you want something to be outraged about regarding this, I think Decius just pointed out a good one. 11:21 <@rattle> Charles Graner and Lindie England got lesser sentences than Manning just got. Why do we consider torture to be a lesser crime than this? Why are those people currently not locked up? 11:49 <@Dagmar> Yes, this is why I figure they'll be appealing. 11:49 <@Dagmar> They've sentenced based on "butt-hurt-ness" rather than the seriousness or the amount of damage caused. 11:49 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: it's automatically appealed 11:49 <@Corydon76-work> He's eligible for parole in just under 13 years, though 11:50 <@Dagmar> Considering how long he's been in solitary confinement already that still seems an excessive amount of time 11:50 <@Dagmar> He's probably looking at five to ten years of therapy over that 11:52 <@Dagmar> These guys are killing me... Getting all worked up because they can't launch a new mount point for the helix crap already 11:53 <@Dagmar> I've never seen this shit before and there's a lot of reading to do and they're wibbling on about whether or not the contentmarker to prevent downloading is set 11:53 <@Dagmar> Newsflash: Any realmedia can be fuckin' downloaded 11:54 <@Dagmar> The only thing this marker does is prevent the popup (that presently doesn't work on most browsers) from offering to download the content, if the user is even using RealPlayer 11:54 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar: that assumes that it's using TCP and all packets are delivered. A lossy transmission is difficult to record effectively 11:54 -!- r3dl0c [~r3dl0c@portal.ci.collierville.tn.us] has joined #se2600 11:54 <@Dagmar> If it plays it can be recorded pretty easily 11:54 <@Dagmar> I've got some third party thing in Firefox that "just does it" 11:55 <@Dagmar> Took all of five minutes to find. 11:55 <@Corydon76-work> You're thinking either about screen capture or about a stream where all the packets are captured 11:55 <@Dagmar> I use it to archive things off YouTube on a semi regular basis. It's never taken more than about a half hour to work out what mechanism to use when the previous one broke 11:56 <@Corydon76-work> Any streaming protocol is designed to compensate when packets are dropped, which means things are viewable, even if not all the packets are delivered. 11:56 <@Dagmar> No, I am not talking about a screencap mechanism. 11:56 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but Youtube uses TCP to stream the transmission, which is emphatically not a real time protocol 11:56 <@Dagmar> ...and you're arguing about some case which does not exists here. 11:57 <@Corydon76-work> So you're receiving all the packets... which is one of the alternatives I talked about 11:57 <@Dagmar> So why are you even talking about them? 11:58 <@Corydon76-work> You said any RealMedia content can be captured, which is not the case when any packets of the content are dropped 11:58 <@Dagmar> So you feel the need to state that packets which never arrive are problematic to record? 11:58 <@Corydon76-work> Because it affects the ability to effectively save the resulting file, yes 11:59 <@Dagmar> ...and what does that have to do with this case? 11:59 <@Corydon76-work> Essentially, the download would have "holes" which would make most software choke when attempting playback 12:00 <@Dagmar> ...and what does that have to do with this case? 12:00 <@Corydon76-work> You made a generalization which is untrue. 12:01 <@Dagmar> No, I did not make a generalization of any kind. 12:01 <@Corydon76-work> I'm simply pointing out an exception 12:01 <@Corydon76-work> Newsflash: Any realmedia can be fuckin' downloaded 12:01 <@Dagmar> I stated flat out that this particular flag they're asking me to set is only paid any mind by Realplayer. 12:02 <@Dagmar> This lost packets thing you're talking about hasn't been a significant impediment in the past, either. 12:04 <@Dagmar> The worst I've seen has been media files that caused the same problems for players that occurred during playback of the live stream 12:04 <@Dagmar> ...which should come as a suprise to exactly no one. 12:40 < aestetix> http://getprsm.com/ 12:40 < GateKeeper> Title: PRSM - The Sharing Network (at getprsm.com) 12:48 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 13:15 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.145.243.60] has joined #se2600 13:46 -!- Y_S [~Y_S@unaffiliated/y-s/x-4148625] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:47 -!- Y_S [~Y_S@95.47.141.46] has joined #se2600 13:47 -!- Y_S [~Y_S@95.47.141.46] has quit [Changing host] 13:47 -!- Y_S [~Y_S@unaffiliated/y-s/x-4148625] has joined #se2600 14:03 -!- Bevalent [yershy@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-nbogzrdgbtgignvu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:05 -!- jonny_X [~jonnyx@adsl-74-179-233-185.bna.bellsouth.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:06 -!- RangerZ [~mwalker@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 14:06 -!- jonnyx [~jonnyx@adsl-74-240-213-102.bna.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 14:26 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.145.243.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:26 -!- Synx|hm_ [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 14:29 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:43 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.145.243.60] has joined #se2600 15:26 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1] 15:34 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 15:52 < RangerZ1> hehehe http://0.media.collegehumor.cvcdn.com/11/32/5b39534782a6320a55693a3f6c2f6d9f.jpg 15:53 < RangerZ1> I've done that, but we put the "Religious Fiction" over the entire Bible section instead (and it lasted a few days before anyone noticed) lol 16:27 <@Dagmar> ugh 16:27 <@Dagmar> OKay... don't feel feverish anymore, so that's good 16:27 <@Dagmar> I am still not amused that I had an allergy problem with allt he mosquito bites 16:33 <@Dagmar> Hands aren't swollen anymore. That's good. 16:49 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: that bad of a reaction? 16:49 < RangerZ1> you might want to go get checked for lime disease then 16:49 < RangerZ1> its moving down this far south fairly quickly 16:50 < RangerZ1> b/c it sounds more like a tick thing than just mosquito's bite(s) unless your normally alergic 17:00 -!- r3dl0c [~r3dl0c@portal.ci.collierville.tn.us] has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 17:11 <@Dagmar> I always get a welt when I get stung by a mosquito 17:11 <@Dagmar> It's kind of a giveaway that I'm allergic 17:12 <@Dagmar> I'll get an area of redness about two inches across and a puffy spot about a third to a half inch across 17:13 <@Dagmar> Let's recap... I live at the intersection of a creek and a river, and there are woods everywhere. 17:13 <@Dagmar> I was outside for about two hours, next to a lot of fresh-cut grass, starting at sunset 17:14 <@Dagmar> I am not particularly suprised I went straight to allergic reaction 17:16 -!- Bevalent [yershy@gateway/shell/xzibition.com/x-hjjkkvksiakkkhmj] has joined #se2600 17:38 -!- x86Daddy [~z@32.145.243.60] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:49 < RangerZ1> " League of Legends HACKED!" gotta love those kinda news titles 17:49 < RangerZ1> entire system didn't use salting or 'something' *shrugs* 17:51 < RangerZ1> and stored CC info in same DB as login credentials 17:55 < RangerZ1> ohh apparently "What we know: usernames, email addresses, salted password hashes, and some first and last names were accessed,"... so still... lulz were had with weak passwords 17:59 <@Dagmar> Gawd 18:00 <@Dagmar> WTF is wrong with people 18:04 <@Dagmar> It's good to know that three different managers don't have the time to give me clearance to do trivial parts of my fucking job 18:06 <@Dagmar> Screw it I'll just do it tomorrow anyway 18:29 <@Dagmar> *sigh* 18:38 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:45 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has joined #se2600 18:45 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o brimstone] by ChanServ 19:32 < aestetix> ugh 19:33 < aestetix> fucking SSL 19:43 < RangerZ1> aestetix: ? 19:45 < aestetix> heh 19:45 < aestetix> curl is borking because it wants sslv2 and it only gets sslv3 20:05 -!- shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 20:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o shadow404] by ChanServ 20:09 -!- shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has left #se2600 [] 20:09 -!- Shadow404 [~shadow404@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 20:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Shadow404] by ChanServ 20:09 <@Shadow404> i want capatilization and shit 20:10 <@Shadow404> Evilpig_: wake!!!! you sexy beast, i need your help 20:15 < aestetix> no no no no no 20:15 < aestetix> http://t.co/0P0AlZHWeZ 20:15 < aestetix> it's like there is this unending stream of idiots trying the same shit over and over 20:15 < aestetix> http://gigaom.com/2013/08/21/huffington-post-to-end-anonymous-comments/ 20:16 < Evilpig_> Shadow404: i'm awake just watching a movie 20:25 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Follow the money 20:26 <@Dagmar> Ask yourself, "Who is already engaged in unethical behaviour with respect to identity, and will stand to profit from this change?" 20:27 < RangerZ1> can't have "anonymous" reporting from whistleblower 20:28 <@Dagmar> That's not it 20:28 <@Dagmar> One person needing to leak something can always make one bogus profile. 20:28 <@Dagmar> However, there's a group of people who have already beat the system who stand to gain from this change. 20:28 <@Dagmar> Shills. 20:29 <@Dagmar> Companies that run large numbers of fake users who never post anonymously, and have carefully crafted identities 20:29 <@Dagmar> It would be trivial for them to create a large number of "sociopath, troll" identities and troll anonymously 20:30 <@Dagmar> ...and the result would be that their fake users would be considerably more valuable on the forums that eliminate anonymity 20:46 < aestetix> Dagmar: that's where accountability comes into play 20:47 < aestetix> So by "run" do you mean it's scripted, or they employ individuals to do this 20:47 < aestetix> And don't we have things like captchas that can mitigate it? 20:48 < RangerZ1> aestetix: both 20:48 < RangerZ1> friend of mine used to 'sell' sex video clips 20:48 < RangerZ1> online 20:48 < RangerZ1> via doing basically that, so they hire people and pay them commision on each 'sale' they get 20:49 < RangerZ1> commission*, and she would make accounts, and lots of other things 20:50 < aestetix> heh 20:50 < RangerZ1> look at the '1 instagram follower is worth more than a stolen credit card' story that was just flying around 20:50 < aestetix> Did the sale involve money? 20:50 < aestetix> The thing is, we have laws about financial transactions. 20:50 < RangerZ1> http://blogs.computerworld.com/cybercrime-and-hacking/22675/tweaked-zeus-fake-instagram-likes-are-worth-more-stolen-credit-card-numbers 20:50 < GateKeeper> Title: Tweaked Zeus: Fake Instagram likes are worth more $ than stolen credit card numbers | Computerworld Blogs (at blogs.computerworld.com) 20:51 < RangerZ1> yeah... b/c laws about money are ALWAYS followed, lol 20:52 < RangerZ1> look at any science fiction dystopia and the corporations are what bring back paper money 20:52 < RangerZ1> because they want a 'slush fund' available to hire/pay for things they don't want traced back to them 20:53 < RangerZ1> and if you use a middleman from a 'marketing firm' , who takes their cut... no trail back, lol 20:54 < RangerZ1> same thing about online , hell look at "slashertisement" 20:55 < RangerZ1> or DIGG.com, I used to love it when it first came out, but it got cooped quickly by a clique , who all had a ton of followers, (many bots) who would 'up' whatever they posted 20:55 < RangerZ1> thats probably the closest example of how its useful 21:09 -!- Dolemite [603cfb43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.60.251.67] has joined #se2600 21:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 21:16 <@Dolemite> jonnyx: Are you conscious at the moment? 21:17 <@Shadow404> Evilpig_: pm 21:23 -!- Dolemite [603cfb43@gateway/web/freenode/ip.96.60.251.67] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:24 < aestetix> ugh 21:25 < aestetix> that was a fun hour long battle with stunnel 21:25 < Evilpig_> aestetix: shhhhh, no go fix me a pizza 21:25 < aestetix> no 21:25 < Evilpig_> not a request. 21:28 <@Dagmar> Wow. 21:28 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' Comcast 21:29 < aestetix> Evilpig_: you're supposed to say "sudo" 21:30 <@Dagmar> aestetix: THere are a couple of firms running around that had their internal pimp sheets leaked. They have software that lets one employee manage 50-100 bogus identities, complete with reasonably complete interest profiles, all at once 21:30 <@Dagmar> They use these things to astroturf 21:30 <@Dagmar> These are the people who stand to gain the most by forcing the blocking of anonymous postings 21:31 <@Dagmar> These are also the people who are most likely to be claiming everyone should have to use their real names 21:31 <@Dagmar> ...because they've already worked out how to beat that. 21:32 <@Dagmar> Also, GREAT HAPPY DAY! 21:33 <@Dagmar> Kroger's had Full Throttle at 10/$10 21:33 <@Dagmar> I got me a SHITLOAD of the things in the fridge 21:35 < RangerZ1> hell... look at the tea party 21:35 < RangerZ1> its was almost entirely a astroturf project for the first year or so 21:35 < RangerZ1> then ran away from the conservatives once they had used it, and its ripping apart the gop, lol 21:36 < aestetix> Dagmar: so uh 21:36 < aestetix> Dagmar: wtf 21:37 <@Dagmar> huh? 21:37 <@Dagmar> If you want I'll start just telling you my predictions for the future when they occur to me 21:37 < aestetix> So basically, there are companies that flood commentspace with crap, and then turn around and advocate for names policies 21:37 < aestetix> Are these pimp sheets online anywhere? 21:37 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Yes, because then they can charge more for astroturfing those sites 21:37 < aestetix> It seems like there are ways to solve those issues that don't involve forcing names policies :) 21:38 <@Dagmar> Dig around.. These guys are good at SEO so you'll have a devil of a time finding the deets but it's been out there before on Full Disclosure and so on 21:38 < aestetix> Ah ok 21:38 <@Dagmar> aestetix: One of the onerous/nicer things about grey area companies is that they're pretty fuckin' predictably competitive 21:39 < aestetix> I could totally see a company trying to get their software pushed out doing that 21:39 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I did mention I took out a few goldfarming companies by giving them all a copy of a program deigned to flood a competitor with fake orders, right? 21:39 < aestetix> But yeah, a single solid example of that would be amazing 21:39 <@Dagmar> They're like monkeys 21:39 <@Dagmar> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks 21:40 < GateKeeper> Title: Revealed: US spy operation that manipulates social media | Technology | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com) 21:40 <@Dagmar> There's one 21:40 < aestetix> interesting 21:40 <@Dagmar> Check new news around spring of 2011 and you'll find more 21:41 <@Dagmar> For awhile I was trying to bookmark all these things and then it became obvious that what we really need is a distributed system for tagging and archiving and timelining skullduggery 21:41 <@Dagmar> Getting all the pieces in the same place at the same time is the actual hard part 21:41 * aestetix nods 21:41 < aestetix> well there is always project xanadu :p 21:43 <@Dagmar> I'd wager Doctorow probably posted a few things about those companies on BB 21:45 < aestetix> Hmm, this goes back into the HBGary stuff 21:46 <@Dagmar> Yes, it does. 21:46 <@Dagmar> A whole lot of missing ethics, all in one area 21:46 <@Dagmar> ...which really pisses me off because talking about it makes anyone sound like a conspiracy nut 21:47 <@Dagmar> Honestly, there might as well be an actual Wolfram & Hart out there 21:54 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: DO KEITH DAVIDS MISSIONS 21:56 <@Dagmar> You get *this* increadibly awesomtacular weapon... 21:56 <@Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDJOeCUYIqY 21:56 < GateKeeper> Title: Saints Row 4 - DUBSTEP GUN! - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 21:58 <@Shadow404> comcast can suck my dick for their bs 21:59 <@Shadow404> fucking 4 hour battle still not resolved 21:59 <@Shadow404> wait.... 22:00 <@Shadow404> doesnt someone in this irc work for them? 22:01 < RangerZ1> so Dagmar i realized i got saints row 3 for free from playstation plus 22:04 <@Dagmar> Cool 22:04 <@Dagmar> I have it on Steam 22:04 <@Dagmar> ...so I got 10% off SRIV 22:05 <@Dagmar> I just sort of stumbled across the way to get the gun 22:05 <@Dagmar> I am a hamster for quests. Give me a quest, and I'll run it. 22:05 <@Dagmar> First person to get my attention in these games wins. 22:06 <@Dagmar> I completed pretty much all of David Keith's _side quests_ before even touching the main mission thread... because he spoke up. Heh 22:06 <@Dagmar> Unlimted sprint, Dubstep gun, etc 22:07 <@Dagmar> I can't drive for shit but it doesn't matter becasue the game is basically an exceesively violent version of Champions Online now. 22:08 <@Dagmar> Strange that I can't shoot people from the air, tho 22:12 < RangerZ1> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvdoLRBudwU holy hell this is funny 22:12 < GateKeeper> Title: STAR WARS FILIBUSTER: Patton Oswalts Rant Animated - Geek Week - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 22:30 <@Shadow404> oh shit 22:30 <@Shadow404> severed chewbaca 22:30 <@Shadow404> sad 22:34 < RangerZ1> nah, robot spider body 22:34 < RangerZ1> but yeah... i was like 'wtf' when i saw that 23:05 < RangerZ1> http://www.upworthy.com/wow-i-bet-this-map-would-be-banned-in-some-countries?c=bl3 23:05 < GateKeeper> Title: WOW: I Bet This Map Would Be Banned In Some Countries (at www.upworthy.com) 23:05 < RangerZ1> go nigeria... lol 23:06 < RangerZ1> sorry.. Namibia* 23:30 < aestetix> vagina 23:48 -!- RangerZ [~mwalker@c-98-211-46-74.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] --- Log closed Thu Aug 22 00:00:41 2013