--- Log opened Tue Aug 20 00:00:39 2013
00:48 < aestetix> btw
00:48 < aestetix> did you guys read quinn's article?
00:59 < Evilpig_> no?
01:01 < aestetix> https://medium.com/medium-long/b695860cb6d6
01:02 < aestetix> http://medium.com/medium-long/b695860cb6d6
01:02 < aestetix> bah
01:02 < aestetix> title: "Bradley Manning and the Two Americas"
01:02 < aestetix> it's probably the best article I have read, period on the whole saga
01:03 < Evilpig_> yes.  you posted that earlier
01:03 < aestetix> ah ok
01:14 <@Dagmar> Video card VERY HOT
01:15 <@Dagmar> I think maybe I'll turn down the post-processing a little bit
01:33 < RangerZ> there is a porn vs real sex video on upworthy... 75% of guys get off after only 3 minutes.... HAHAHAHA
01:33 < RangerZ> http://www.upworthy.com/some-facts-about-porn-that-will-make-you-feel-better-about-your-sexy-time?c=bl3
01:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Some Facts About Porn That Will Make You Feel Better About Your Sexy Time (at www.upworthy.com)
01:35 < aestetix> Hmm.
01:35 < aestetix> Do you guys think the metaphor of regulation/deregulation to rationality/irrationality is valid?
01:36 < aestetix> Specifically government/business
01:37 < RangerZ> aestetix: um... what metaphor ?
01:37 < RangerZ> in general, 'de regulation' means more profits for companies, and less safety checks
01:37 < RangerZ> but "thats good for business"
01:38 < RangerZ> which "helps the economy"
01:41 <@Corydon76-work> In some cases, deregulation gets rid of antiquated legislation which is no longer necessary to accomplish the original aims
01:41 < RangerZ> true, and I'm all for that
01:42 < RangerZ> but unfortunately thats very rarely the case :/
01:42 <@Corydon76-work> For instance, some cities have instituted vendor fees for street merchants in an attempt to put the worst elements out of business, but the regulation can hang around and prevent new businesses from starting up
01:44 <@Corydon76-work> Realistically, most regulations ought to have a sunset clause at the time the regulation is instituted, to be reviewed on a regular basis to verify its rationality... and without that review, the regulation should disappear
01:44 <@Corydon76-work> That will get rid of the worst actors.
01:45 < RangerZ> very true
04:10 < Evilpig_> okay I don't even know what to say for this so i'm gonna post it and let y'all pick it apart.  http://www.servercentral.com/company/careers/data-center-technician
04:10 < GateKeeper> Title: Careers | ServerCentral (at www.servercentral.com)
04:23 <@Catonic> no, please..
04:23 < Evilpig_> come on Catonic.  free 1U colo... lol
04:24 <@Catonic> All laws should have sunset clauses
04:24 <@Catonic> I didn't notice that.
04:24 <@Catonic> If anything, it looks like they are hiring a sysadmin, but calling him a datacenter technician
04:24 < Evilpig_> http://www.dice.com/job/result/10210023C/026747
04:24 < GateKeeper> Title: NOC Analyst - Crescent Solutions Inc - San Diego, CA | dice.com - 8-12-2013 (at www.dice.com)
04:24 < Evilpig_> This one is great.
04:24 <@Catonic> which means all the *cough* responsibility, without any of the pay.
04:26 <@Catonic> lmfao
04:26 <@Catonic> http://www.servercentral.com/company/careers/senior-systems-administrator
04:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Careers | ServerCentral (at www.servercentral.com)
04:27 <@Catonic> SAME EXACT JOB
04:30 < Evilpig_> the blurb on that one is al ittle different
04:30 < Evilpig_> but yeah I noticed that too
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06:32 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
06:57 < Evilpig_> no
06:57 < Evilpig_> just no
07:14 <@Dolemite> So I'm trying to figure out what your statement about the config item was trying to say
07:18 < Evilpig_> I think you're over complicating it
07:19 < Evilpig_> If there is an item there to enable it and it's assuming optin or out.  then i'm assuming you're gonna report on everything that either has a label or doesn't have a label. right?
07:22 <@Dolemite> No
07:22 <@Dolemite> If you OptOut, then I report on everything except what has that label
07:22 <@Dolemite> If you OptIn, then I only report on things with a label
07:23 <@Dolemite> But somewhere you have to specify whether or not you want the report to be OptIn or OptOut
07:25 < Evilpig_> well I added that in.  also filtered the cabinets like I described.  you'll see on a device edit screen.
07:25 < Evilpig_> gotta get out of here
07:25 < Evilpig_> time to go home and sleep
07:25 < Evilpig_> test the install again, cause that problem should be handled
07:26 <@Dolemite> ok
07:53 <@rattle> The future will be very white.  https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BSCIbuWCcAAgZYk.jpg:large
08:01 <@Dolemite> Yay, leisure suits!
08:31 < Synx|hm> what the f were all of you doing up at 4am
08:32 <@Dickie> oral
08:32 < Synx|hm> ahh
09:12 < Synx|hm> well fuck, think i just killed the bluetooth firmware in my car stereo
09:31 < Synx|hm> so in other news ive got a slave wall clock from an old Illinois Bell building that i need to hook up to a RTC on a PIC or something
09:32 < Synx|hm> its a simple clock it takes pulses on the minute to drive the min hard forward
09:32 < Synx|hm> need to find the imped of the motor and drive voltage/current draw
09:38 <@rattle> Wordpress blah blah blah.  Passwords blah blah blah.  http://www.bankinfosecurity.com/attackers-target-weak-web-app-passwords-a-6005
09:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Attackers Target Weak Web App Passwords - BankInfoSecurity (at www.bankinfosecurity.com)
09:51 <@critch> damn rattle, you are starting to look old.
09:51 <@critch> I didn't recognize you in that photo
09:54  * rattle weeps.
09:56 <@critch> rattle: I understand more that it is the hair that is throwing off my perception. Then again, this image is what I will probably remember of you. http://farm1.staticflickr.com/104/269861324_bcdd6dc4e0_o.jpg
09:58 < Synx|hm> anyone familiar with HP iLO
09:59 <@rattle> Ok, yea.  I'm old.  Got it.
09:59 <@rattle> Synx|hm: Yep
10:00 <@rattle> But I still got moves like Jagger.
10:00 < Synx|hm> rattle: is it a serial RJ-45 interface? or an actual NIC thats isolated somehow like IPMI?
10:02 < Synx|hm> my company ships servers that i have to support (i dont know if they are re-branded or custom) and my customers keep plugging their network cables into the damn serial interface, and then ive got others telling me the iLO doesnt work
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10:03 <@rattle> It's a NIC.
10:03 <@rattle> By default, they will usually acquire an address via DHCP.
10:03 < Synx|hm> is it configured in a BIOS?
10:03 < Synx|hm> would it show up in windows as an interface?
10:03 <@rattle> The hostname it has is usually on a pull out tab on the server.
10:03 < Synx|hm> i really think this is just a serial console port on these servers
10:04 <@rattle> If you can't look up it's IP via dhcp logs referencing the hostname..  You can configure it with a static IP via the system's BIOS.
10:04 < Synx|hm> ok they are saying its not pulling a IP so im going to assume here this is not iLO and just a console port
10:04 <@rattle> There's usually a "click F8 to configure ILOM" kinda thing during boot..  And you can configure it up like you would a disk controller or something.
10:04 < Synx|hm> thanks
10:07 <@rattle> I don't think there's a way to configure it through windows.  It definitely doesn't show up as an interface in windows.  Configuring it through the thing it does at boot time is probably what you want to do.
10:07 <@rattle> If for no other reason than being able to set it's Administrator password.
10:07 < Synx|hm> k
10:07 < Synx|hm> i wish i had one of these servers here to mess with :(
10:07 <@rattle> Usually, the hostname/password is on a little pullout tab on the servers.  At least it is for the Dlxxx series boxen.
10:08 <@rattle> One annoying thing you'll find..  Is that you usually need an "enterprise" iLO license to use the remote terminal and media capability.  Without the "enterprise" license, you just get power control and whatnot.
10:13 < Synx|hm> lovel
10:13 < Synx|hm> lovely
10:15 < Synx|hm> ive got IMPI on my ESX host but i never use it, and i put it on a management vlan so its not accessable from outside without special permissions
10:15 < Synx|hm> actually thats the next project i need to work on at home, some sort of reverse proxy that authenticates or maybe a authpf (dynamic firewall rules on ssh login) for pfsense
10:22 <@rattle> If it's just for one machine, having a separate subnet reachable from your firewall, and doing an ssh -L thing when you need it isn't a bad kludge.
10:22 <@rattle> Otherwise, doing a straight up VPN to access the back-side subnets is the more elegant solution.
10:23 < Synx|hm> oh man, why the fuck did i not think of VPN'ing them haha
10:23 < Synx|hm> i really like the reverse proxy idea, or basically a webbased VPN because ive got some webcams on their own vlan and i want the wife to be able to get to them with auth and a vpn client would be a bit much for her
10:24 <@rattle> I haven't used any of the non-commercial sslvpn solutions.  I'm not sure which ones don't suck.
10:25 < Synx|hm> on a somewhat related note... encryption... if i have say two WLANs that have sperate keys but some traffic crosses one WLAN to the other, could one not use that as an attack vector because the same data is traversing each WLAN with seperate encryption
10:26 <@rattle> If the two wlans are both the same L2, in theory, yes.  Might be a complicated attack to pull of using ots kinda tools.
10:27 <@rattle> If the two wlans were each their own l3 subnet..  And there was something routing between them..  The traffic would be different enough, just based on the headers, that cryptoanalitic attacks would be complicated.
10:27 <@rattle> I think...
10:28 < Synx|hm> good point
10:32 < Synx|hm> i've got my cameras on their own WLAN and vlan
10:33 < Synx|hm> but right now its all routing across via my router without NAT so the packets should be identical on each side
10:33 < Synx|hm> and they are untagged vlan packets on the WLAN interface
10:34 <@rattle> It would be a very, very, hard attack.
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10:35 <@rattle> While there would be identical packets..  There is different overall traffic.  Things like DNS, ARP, other traffic..  From the perspective of what's going through the air, while there are similarities, there are also differences.
10:35 <@rattle> So a pure cryptoanalytic kinda attack would require the packets that are identical being a vast majority of the traffic to even be remotely feasible.
10:36 <@rattle> But that's mostly postulation.  I'm not an expert on that kinda crypto hacking?
10:36 < Synx|hm> ya, interesting thought though
10:36 <@rattle> But I'm fairly certain, that with WPA2 it would be nearly impossible.
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10:38 < Synx|hm> so back to the sslvpn or reverse proxy auth thing, i really need to find a solution as i have my vlans wide open right now so i can get to them from my main laptop
10:41 <@rattle> If you're using pfsense, I think you are stuck with either OpenVPN (not bad), IPSec (great but complicated), or PPTP (ugggg, the suck).
10:42 < Synx|hm> hrm...
10:42 < Synx|hm> i do like the authpf idea too but that seems like a pain to get working in pfsense
10:42 < Synx|hm> this seems like an obvious thing to do wonder why there are not more options
10:42 < Synx|hm> at least in an enterprise network
10:44 < Deadcell> I like me some PFSense :)
10:46 <@rattle> PFSense, while the best of the oss firewall solutions, is still very dumb..
10:47 <@rattle> There are very few firewalls at this point that have real application understanding.
10:47 < Synx|hm> untangle has some neat capes
10:47 < Synx|hm> i ran untable bridge with pfsense for a while but that setup doesn't support multi vlan
10:47 < Deadcell> rattle:i really can not comment on that, I have only messed with PFSense for local home network :/
10:48 <@rattle> At the moment, I only firewall platform I actually like remains PAN.
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11:11 < RangerZ> Evilpig_: https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotaos-ak-ash3/1185750_10100754175812912_574647777_n.jpg there you go...
11:13 < Synx|hm> did windows ever release a windows server 2003R2?
11:13 < Synx|hm> not 2008
11:14 <@eryc> can't access that link RangerZ
11:15 < RangerZ> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/1185750_10100754175812912_574647777_n.jpg
11:15 < RangerZ> hmm
11:15 < RangerZ> they changed the url on facebook ...
11:28 < Deadcell> they did? to what?
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11:39 < RangerZ> the two urls I just posted were both pulled directly from the same image
11:40 < RangerZ> FB moved it in between the times I posted them
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14:36 < aestetix> penbis
14:38 < RangerZ> http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/08/20/kinect-sports-rivals-proves-kinect-20-actually-works yeah.. I still don't think so
14:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Kinect Sports Rivals Proves Kinect 2.0 Actually Works - IGN (at www.ign.com)
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15:26 <@Dagmar> Wait... what?!?  "and if the command
15:26 <@Dagmar> and if the command
15:26 <@Dagmar> "kill -HUP `cat /etc/aliases`" will cause your Sendmail to reload the alias file"
15:26 <@Dagmar> What.... the fuck.
15:28 <@Corydon76-work> Wow, that's hilarious
15:28 <@Dagmar> There's nothing I like better than throwing a bunch of random shit at kill -HUP... when it's not my system
15:28 <@Corydon76-work> I'm sure in some bizarre situation, that might have worked once
15:28 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: http://www.lsoft.com/manuals/16.0/install/LISTSERV16.0_InstallManual_UNIX.pdf
15:28 <@Dagmar> I don't think that would have *ever* worked
15:28 <@Dagmar> The /etc/aliases file has never held PIDs.
15:29 <@Corydon76-work> Supposing one of his aliases just happened to have the right pid, maybe
15:29 < RangerZ> maybe THEIRS did ;)
15:29 <@Dagmar> If you maybe made lists that were acutally numbers
15:30 <@Dagmar> I'm trying to figure out why this fucker won't actually create the mailing lists it's supposed to
15:31 <@Dagmar> I'm guessing Mirage has been manually performing that step
15:31 <@Dagmar> Their web interface certainly doesn't do it
15:32 <@Dagmar> :q
15:32 <@Corydon76-work> I'm frankly amused that Ubuntu finally caved and started implementing RedHat commands
15:32 <@Corydon76-work> "service foo restart"
15:32 <@Dagmar> Which RH commands?
15:33 <@Dagmar> Oh those functions
15:33 <@Dagmar> Well it's about fuckin' time
15:33 <@Dagmar> They had all the other stuff in place already
15:33 <@Corydon76-work> I much prefer calling the script directly from its path in /etc/init.d
15:34 < RangerZ> well FUCK ME... tue/thur class at 8:30 am
15:34 < RangerZ> fucking AI too
15:34 <@Corydon76-work> It's far less "magic" if you provide people with the commands so that if something doesn't work correctly, they can actually figure out what's running
15:34 < RangerZ> ONLY class I can take :/
15:34 <@Dagmar> I'll stick with using a service script... if for no other reason that it gives an init script a means to access more site-specific macros for doing things like automagic renicing
15:36 <@Corydon76-work> I have no problem with it referencing those functions.  But I like that it's not trying to hide things from you.  Make it easy, but when something goes wrong, make it easy to do diagnostics
15:36 <@Corydon76-work> Only place I cannot run stuff out of /etc/init.d are on systems where it's bsd, and then it's simply /etc/rc.d/
15:39 <@Dagmar> Well, with the service command, you no longer have to care about hte location
15:40 <@Dagmar> ...which also means that packages, in the RARE event such a thing is safe to do, can merrily invoke the site-local mechanism for restarting the service that was just upgrade
15:40 <@Dagmar> d
15:40 <@Corydon76-work> Yes, but I'd like to actually know that stuff
15:41 <@Corydon76-work> Or more specifically, I want it to be easy to train people to do their own diagnostics, so I'm not continually having to come in behind boneheads and fix their mistakes
15:42 <@Corydon76-work> Implicit behavior is the enemy of getting new people up to speed
15:57 < RangerZ> ^ +1
15:58 < RangerZ> same is true of software development/tool use also
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16:02 <@Corydon76-work> Yeah, it's one of the reasons that Rails development can feel very wrong.  While it certainly improves development time to have all sorts of implicit behaviors, I spent a lot more time trying to diagnose it when it wouldn't work as intended.
16:05 <@Dagmar> Also, it's unnatural.
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18:39 < RangerZ> http://us.playstation.com/psvita/systems/?EMC=eng_prod_pricedrop_20130820_pricedrop_us
18:39 < RangerZ> called it
18:39 < RangerZ> 199$ PS VIta
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18:41 < Synx|hm> is the ps vita any different spec wise than the psp?
18:41 < Synx|hm> like do they run the same umd;s?
18:52 < Synx|hm> wtf is google keyboard (android) im guessing they collect everything you type now too?
18:52 < Synx|hm> which they basically have anyways if you use chrome or google search or google now ugh
18:52 < Synx|hm> or gmail
18:55 < spaceB0x> lol Google keylogger
19:03 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: they are COMPLETELY different, the ps Vita is like a PS 3.5 handheld
19:04 < RangerZ> plus no UMD drive, games on memory sticks or digital download
19:04 < Synx|hm> ahh
19:04 < RangerZ> also ANY keyboard application _can_ log everything you type
19:13 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: I've planned on waiting for the price drop to get one
19:14 < RangerZ> its definately worth it with PlayStation Plus (which blows away the Xbox Live deal) at cheaper, and gives 16 free games every week, with 4 new each week, 12 PS3 and 4 PS Vita game free at a time
19:19 <@oddball> Think of those suckers that bought UMD movie discs... all 3 of them.
19:21 < RangerZ>  2 GHz[11] quad-core ARM Cortex-A9 with 512 MB Ram, so basically a PS3/Xbox 360  performance wise
19:24 < RangerZ> so All the comcast cable buyers watching al jazeera on channel 110 ;)
19:24 < RangerZ> (old CurrentTV) channel
19:31 < RangerZ> damn you tesla... getting 5.4 out of 5 stars in the government safety tests
19:31 < RangerZ> the best score they have ever given at consumer reports too
19:32 < RangerZ> damn you for making me want one even more
19:32 < RangerZ> but no 70k$ cars for me.... LOL
19:49 < Evilpig_> hey aestetix I got one for your man haters. https://github.com/samilliken/openDCIM/issues/224#issuecomment-22980902
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19:54  * Evilpig_ pokes aestetix 
19:54 < Evilpig_> wake up bitch
19:54 < Evilpig_> I am gonna make a special commit just for that guy tonight.
19:55 <@aestetix> what?
19:55 < Evilpig_> check teh link
19:56 <@aestetix> hahah
19:56 <@aestetix> please tell me you at least know them
19:56 < Evilpig_> nope
19:56 <@aestetix> they were randomly scanning github and made that comment?
19:56 < Evilpig_> no clue.  random asshat just decided to add his 2 cents.  never contributed a line of code or a comment before
19:56 <@aestetix> hahah
19:57 < Evilpig_> glad he didn't see the one with the routine "killthechildren"
19:57 < Evilpig_> at least I didn't name it abortion
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20:02 <@aestetix> actually
20:02 <@aestetix> have you seen the south park movie?
20:02 <@aestetix> A lot of these idiots remind me of Kyle's mom
20:03 < Evilpig_> who hasn't seen that?
20:04 < Evilpig_> watching the latest valentines episode of family guy.  and all I can say is LOL
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20:18 < RangerZ1> anyone alive?
20:18 < Evilpig_> no
20:19 < RangerZ1> well... as alive as NOC employees can get
20:19 <@oddball> braaaaiiiins
20:19 < RangerZ1> so (alive >= "house plant")
20:19 < RangerZ1> ;) lol
20:28 <@oddball> Ok... back to Saints Row IV/
20:29 < RangerZ1> liking it?
20:29 < RangerZ1> I'm assuming dagmar is going to be making sweet sweet love to it tonight too, lol
20:43 < Evilpig_> he was last night
21:49 <@Dagmar> *whew*
21:49 <@Dagmar> I just finished reassembling the bike
21:49 <@Dagmar> Still doesn't work, but *most* of the pieces are in it now
21:55 <@Dagmar> The damn turn signal clicker is still waterlogged
21:55 <@Dagmar> I have it surrounded by incandescent bulbs which should dry it out
21:56 <@Dagmar> Two screws left out, which I'm pretty sure are generally supposed to hold the instrument cluster in place (but it has four)...
21:56 <@Dagmar> One disturbingly large brass bolt also left over.
21:56 <@Dagmar> THAT worries me a bit
21:56 <@Dagmar> It's like two inches long and a quarter inch around
21:56 < RangerZ> yeah...
21:56 < RangerZ> that doesn't hold your entire bike together or anything....
21:56 <@Dagmar> I am not sure what part of the front farings it holds in place
21:57 <@Dagmar> I dropped one of the smaller faring screws in the grass, but since I have tech shit all over my apartment I tore apart a dead hard drive, yanked the magnet out, and used some fucking science
21:58 <@Dagmar> One of my neighbors unfortunately heard me saying "Fuck you grass, I'm getting that screw back"
21:58 <@Dagmar> hehe
21:58 < RangerZ> lol
21:58 < RangerZ> http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/comics/critical-miss/10348-Xbone-Week-1 thats nice...
22:00 < Evilpig_> Dagmar: did you finish 26724 yesterday?
22:01 <@Dagmar> Almost certainly but lemme see
22:01 <@Dagmar> Oh yes, very
22:01 < Evilpig_> k
22:01 < Evilpig_> it is still running
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22:11 <@Dagmar> Meh.  I meant to call it in as an instant change anyway
22:12 < RangerZ> so PS4's UI is looking pretty nice
22:12 < RangerZ> not the same "tiles" BS as win 8
22:12 < RangerZ> lol
22:13 < RangerZ> (gamescom is going on)
22:14 < Evilpig_> Dagmar: no biggie.  titus was supposed to ask you about it this morning
22:25 <@Dagmar> GODDAMN ITCHING
22:25 <@Dagmar> Fucking mosquitoes ate me alive out there.
22:26 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: some pretty ineresting new studies
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22:26 < Evilpig_> Shouldn't slather on sugar water before going out
22:26 < RangerZ1> about that... some people never get bitten, and others are buffets
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22:35 <@Dagmar> It's because I'm so thweet
22:35 <@Dagmar> s/so/tho/
22:35 < Evilpig_> Bahhumbug: looking for a series.  see if you can get a hit somewhere. "Blue"  currently has seven episodes aired.
22:36 < Evilpig_> http://thepiratebay.sx/torrent/7379788/Blue.S01E01-S01E07.480p.WEB-DL.AVC1.DRAXX#filelistContainer  <--  that has to be a joke
22:36 < GateKeeper> Title: Blue.S01E01-S01E07.480p.WEB-DL.AVC1.DRAXX (download torrent) - TPB (at thepiratebay.sx)
22:36 < RangerZ1> Evilpig_: never heard of it, it any good?
22:38 < Evilpig_> so far not bad.  just saw the pilot on hulu
22:38 < Evilpig_> even with the sound off julia stiles is worth watching
22:39 < RangerZ1> aye
22:40 <@Dagmar> I think Lindy Booth is worth more whipped cream, personally.
22:41 < Evilpig_> she is nice.  
22:41 < Evilpig_> something about that red hair
22:41 <@Dagmar> Also, TIL Lily Cole is FREAKISHLY TALL
22:42 <@Dagmar> ...or maybe I keep seeing her with people who are fucking short
22:42 <@Dagmar> I was watching some movie or other last night and she was like a foot taller than the other girls in the movie
22:48 < RangerZ> http://www.upworthy.com/some-facts-about-porn-that-will-make-you-feel-better-about-your-sexy-time?c=bl3
22:48 < GateKeeper> Title: Some Facts About Porn That Will Make You Feel Better About Your Sexy Time (at www.upworthy.com)
22:48 < RangerZ> some of these are really surprising
23:10 <@Dagmar> "That's actually quite a lot".  LOL
23:20 < RangerZ1> lol, yeah
23:21 < RangerZ1> except wilbur tries to just use cat5 cable, and burlap bags over their heads...
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