--- Log opened Mon Aug 19 00:00:38 2013
00:01 < Evilpig_> I'm watching breaking bad.  This should be amusing.
00:02 < aestetix> Evilpig_: I'm halfway through season 4
00:02 < aestetix> it's.... pretty entertaining
00:11 < Evilpig_> bill burr is guest starring in the episode from tonight.
02:32 < RangerZ> holy shit, The Wolverine is actually pretty good
02:32 < RangerZ> i had such low standards with the last one...
02:37 < Evilpig_> RangerZ: you ever played x-com?
02:37 < RangerZ> the old old one
02:37 < Evilpig_> the remake, is most excellent!
02:37 < RangerZ> didn't like it that much, but the new one has got rave reviews
02:37 < Evilpig_> only real complaint I am having with it is the camera controls are all wonky.  you can get your soliders in places where the camera goes apeshit and won't sit still
02:42 < RangerZ> thats all games since 2000 ;)
02:42 < RangerZ> lol
02:42 < RangerZ> but yeah, I got the game for free from PlayStation Plus
02:42 < RangerZ> just haven't played it
02:42 < Evilpig_> being based on the unreal engine will do that
02:43 < Evilpig_> it's an entertaining turn based strategy game.  I was a fan of the original though
03:27 < aestetix> vagina
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06:39 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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10:15 <@Dagmar> *not safe for engineers* http://imgur.com/gallery/sNQAxmw
10:15 < GateKeeper> Title: Woops, your internet connection will be down for a few days - Imgur (at imgur.com)
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10:40 <@oddball> Dagmar: Oh dear...
10:59 <@Dagmar> It's especially pernicious in that it's clearly wrapped so much cable around the bit there's no telling how much line they had to replace
11:07 <@opticron> is that what caused the outage yesterday into today?
11:08 <@oddball> Yeah... The folks running the replacement line are going to have to have the "fun" of finding where the line actually broke.
11:09 <@opticron> ew
11:10 <@Corydon76-work> oddball: you mean both breaks, potentially miles apart?
11:10 <@opticron> sounds about right
11:10 <@Corydon76-work> But on the other hand, it's probably repeater-to-repeater is where they're going to run the replacement anyway
11:11 <@oddball> Corydon76-work: yep
11:12 <@Corydon76-work> Oh, god, had an even worse thought.  What if the snag pulled part of the repeater equipment into the line away from the box?
11:12 <@Corydon76-work> into the conduit, that is
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11:25 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-work: It would be extra hilarious
11:27 <@opticron> ugh
11:28 <@opticron> don't say that
11:55 <@Corydon76-work> opticron: I'm certain they keep extra repeaters on hand.  The annoyance is trying to clear the conduit of extra crap
11:56 <@Corydon76-work> Although I'm sure some of them are likely to just replace that section of conduit and be done with it.
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12:05 <@Dagmar> As badly as that cable was probably stretched, I'd suspect they'd just replace the *entire* run
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12:08 <@Corydon76-work> Dagmar:  I'm not certain about fiber, but a "run" with copper, at least, only extends repeater-to-repeater
12:09 <@Corydon76-work> And repeaters _should_ be mounted within their containing boxes, but you know there's likely a few where the installing tech never bothered.
12:11 < RangerZ> http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/08/saudi-arabias-war-on-witchcraft/278701/
12:11 < RangerZ> wtf
12:11 < GateKeeper> Title: Saudi Arabia's War on Witchcraft - Ryan Jacobs - The Atlantic (at www.theatlantic.com)
12:11 < RangerZ> saying in official documents that 'magic' is being used
12:13 <@rattle> Yeah, backhoes are bad, but augers are fucking devastating.
12:15 < RangerZ> so who had their net go out?
12:15 < RangerZ> and from what I've gleaned from the convo... it was construction that caused it
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12:31 <@Corydon76-work> Are there industries other than construction that use such a wide augur?
12:32 <@Corydon76-work> I know the petroleum uses augurs, but generally much, much more narrow bits.
12:33  * rattle sees an opening for a "your mom" joke, but concludes it best to go back to eating lunch.
12:37 <@Corydon76-work> I'm amused by the people on Craigslist who think they're going to get people to pay half the cost of a new laptop to buy their shitty old laptop.
12:39 <@critch> Corydon76-work: large augers like that are for setting telephone poles of for the concrete bases of metal poles.
12:40 <@Corydon76-work> Ah
12:40 <@Corydon76-work> They wouldn't use an augur just slightly bigger than the telephone pole itself?
12:41 <@critch> they would, but it depends on the size of the pole
12:44 <@opticron> and how far down the bedrock is
12:45 <@opticron> RangerZ, I'd totally play up the witchcraft angle with tasers in my palms, pyrotechnics, and random jibberish chanting...it'd be fun until I got shot
12:48 < RangerZ> opticron: yeah, lol
12:48 < RangerZ> I'd get a super conductor and a magnet
12:48 < RangerZ> and 'levitate'
12:52 < aestetix> vagina
12:58 <@Dagmar> Argh
12:58 <@Dagmar> Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
12:59 <@Dagmar>      mirage@thehippo.net
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13:58 <@rattle> amazon.com is down
13:59 <@Dagmar> OH DEAR GOD NO
14:01 <@Corydon76-work> Wow, that's extremely odd
14:03 < frsilent> hey speaking of amazong...anyone have any advice on a tablet? I had a Nexus 7 that was destroyed a while back
14:03 <@Corydon76-work> You're looking for a timespell that will go back to before the tablet was destroyed?
14:03 < frsilent> figured I might want an LTE-device for my next one; know it had been discussed for the next Nexus iteration
14:04 < frsilent> Corydon76-work: no but I wouldn't pass up on one if you've got it
14:08 <@Corydon76-work> The only problem with my timespells is that you feel like you've just done psychedelic mushrooms while you're in the time loop, and your ass hurts afterwards.
14:13 <@Corydon76-work> Amazon finally put up a temporary notice.
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16:23 <@Dagmar> Oh dear
16:23 <@Dagmar> Saint's Row V releases tonight at 11pm... and Wilbur is working.
16:23 <@Dagmar> :)
16:23 <@oddball> I wish I had the cash for that.
16:24 <@rattle> Well everyone, it's official.  John Kerry is a clueless douche.
16:24 <@rattle> http://thestateweekly.com/sec-of-state-john-kerry-bashes-the-internet-says-its-harder-to-govern-people-with-internet-2/
16:25 <@oddball> Reads headline and can't help but think "and that's a bad thing?"
16:30 < aestetix> Wow.
16:30 < aestetix> Andrea just ripped into reuters
16:34 <@rattle> Andrea is a badass mutherfucka.
16:35 <@oddball> huh?  Andrea?
16:35 < aestetix> rattle: she's been hitting the radar lately.
16:35 < aestetix> In ways I approve of.
16:37 <@rattle> Very early on, I could tell she had the right instincts and personality.  I've spent a lot of time casting clue in her direction to reinforce that.  She will become one of the best tech journalists, ever.  I have no doubt of that.
16:37 <@rattle> oddball: Andrea Peterson.  WaPo.
16:38 <@oddball> link?
16:38 <@rattle> http://www.washingtonpost.com/andrea-peterson/2013/07/22/0d7d8ebc-f2df-11e2-ae43-b31dc363c3bf_page.html
16:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Andrea Peterson - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com)
16:41 <@oddball> I'm missing where she's ripping into Reuters.
16:41 <@rattle> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/19/no-glenn-greenwald-didnt-vow-vengeance-he-said-he-was-going-to-do-his-job/
16:41 < GateKeeper> Title: No, Glenn Greenwald didnt vow vengeance. He said he was going to do his job. (at www.washingtonpost.com)
16:42 <@oddball> thanks
16:42 < aestetix> I gotta say though
16:42 <@oddball> I do see where she says that Obama was wrong about the NSA not abusing their power.
16:42 < aestetix> Every element of the American fourth estate seems to have taken a dive lately
16:42 <@oddball> Of course, I'm not sure whether he was wrong or lying, but...
16:42 < aestetix> oddball: or didn't know
16:43 <@oddball> In my mind, wrong = didn't know.
16:43 < aestetix> ahh
16:43 < aestetix> The media coversage about all this, with some small exception.... would fail a middle school journalism project
16:44 <@oddball> at best.
16:45 <@oddball> They've fallen down hard on the NSA stuff, they completely ignored Fast and Furious until a gun blogger provided proof of a border patrol agent being killed by one of the F&F guns...
16:46 < aestetix> I miss Mike Gravel.
16:48 <@rattle> +++++++++ "The media coversage about all this, with some small exception.... would fail a middle school journalism project"
16:48 <@rattle> Hear hear
16:48 <@oddball> The scary thing is to think about the shitty coverage some of this truly scary shit is getting and wondering what we aren't hearing about.
16:49 <@rattle> I seriously wish that Snowden wound up paring up with someone more along the lines of a 70's Woodward/Bernstein type rather than Greenwald.
16:50 <@oddball> Hell, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have recieved half the NSA coverage if it wasn't for them "requesting" information from some big league papers.
16:50 <@rattle> While I think Greenwald has gotten a bad in rap in some regards, I don't think he's all that great either.
16:55 <@Dagmar> Don't worry.  There's some four-hundred gigabyte files out there which might answer all those questions for you soon.
16:57 <@oddball> The left over Manning stuff?  Yeah... well, that's a couple years old now, and is probably completely random crap that's military specific.
16:59 <@rattle> The new insurance files probably are Snowden stuff.  Or they could be nothing but a ruse to give pause to attempting a rendition.
17:10 <@Dagmar> I'm with Rattle.  It wouldn't make any sense for them to be Manning stuff
17:10 <@Dagmar> Snowden is definitely at-risk at the moment
17:11 < aestetix> yep
17:11 < aestetix> rattle: the thing Greenwald has going for him is being a constitutional lawyer
17:11 <@Dagmar> Also if the Manning stuff had been FOUR HUNDRED GODDAMN GIGABYTES you'd probably have heard the media outlets freaking out about the volume of shit they had to wade through
17:12 < aestetix> What's really amazing is that Snowden managed to get over 400 gigs of data.... after Manning's stuff happened.
17:12 <@Dagmar> Manning had to sneak stuff out on CDRs
17:12 <@Dagmar> Snowden apparently had remove VPN access
17:12 <@Dagmar> er remote
17:12 < aestetix> What I mean is that If I were in charge of the NSA, I would have major lockdown on all systems after that
17:13 < aestetix> And specific logs of who accessed what files, when, etc
17:13 <@Dagmar> In theory they should already have that
17:13 < aestetix> Yes, that is a great theory.
17:13 <@Dagmar> It would be part of the normal labeling
17:13 <@Dagmar> If they're just throwing it all out there on a Windows fileshare, I would shit bricks
17:13 < aestetix> So either that didn't happen, or Snowden had a friend.
17:14 < aestetix> Well, they are using merck-chat to talk :p
17:14 <@Dagmar> lol who doesn;t?
17:14 <@Dagmar> The like, only exceptions I know of are those weird Homestuck people
17:14 < aestetix> Dagmar: from what (little) I understand about this, if you have clearance, you get access to all the things at that level.
17:14 < aestetix> I hope I'm wrong
17:15 <@Dagmar> yes, but that doesn't mean the system involved in access control doesn't implement labelig and a mechanism for recording access to files
17:15 <@Dagmar> If anything, a system that uses labels is almost certainly going to log accesses like that
17:16 <@Dagmar> ...otherwise you've no way to review after breaches
17:17 <@oddball> rattle: That might explain the purging of admins that the NSA is currently doing.
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17:50 <@oddball> Now to see if Plex will handle all of MST3K.
17:52 <@oddball> Oops.  Looks like I'm going to have to do some folder re-arranging.  It's treating each disc as a season.
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18:47 < Synx|hm> Catonic: you around?\
18:59 < Evilpig_> how to tell when your open source project has made a dent.  http://www.drackula.net/tour/  It gets listed in feature comparisons for paid products. lol
19:21 < RangerZ> 'Export to CSV' ?
19:22 < RangerZ> openDMIC doesn't do that? thats like a 30 line script, lol
19:23 <@oddball> Is there a quick way to copy files from several sub-directories to one directory in linux?  My google-fu is failing me.
19:24 <@oddball> Plex is not handling MST3K being in 35 different directories well.
19:25 <@oddball> And it's one of those that it's just enough work that I'm thinking about writing a bash script to deal with it, but not quite enough.
19:30 < RangerZ> some combo of grep being pipped into CD ?
19:31 < RangerZ> << honestly no that good with funky command chaining like that
19:32 <@oddball> Stumbled over someone using find and piping it into cp... which should work since I think all the videos are .avis.
19:32 <@Dagmar> Use find.
19:32 <@oddball> Yeah... that's what I'm doing.
19:33 <@oddball> One of those things where I stumbled over the solution 30 seconds after asking. :)
19:33 < Evilpig_> RangerZ: it does
19:34 < RangerZ> then you should email them
19:34 <@Dagmar> Three and a half hours to go.
19:34 < RangerZ> and tell them to upgrade their chart ;)
19:34 < RangerZ> lol
19:34 <@oddball> and just restarted it because I forgot to tell cp to be verbose.  Something that big, I want to know that it's actually doing something. :p
19:35 < RangerZ> Dagmar: 3hrs?
19:35 <@Dagmar> Hint: use echo first
19:35 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Until Saint's Row V brings us measurably closer to the end of civilization as we know it
19:35 <@Dagmar> er IV
19:35 < RangerZ> ahh
19:35 <@oddball> Dagmar: eh... -v is good enough.
19:35 < RangerZ> you getting it at midnight?
19:35 <@Dagmar> Nope.  11pm CST.
19:36 <@Dagmar> "Notice: Release time will be August 20th at 12:01AM EST"
19:36  * oddball has a wife that loves me and bought it for me. :)
19:36 < RangerZ> oddball has a wife that just wanted to get a game so you left her alone ;)
19:36 <@Dagmar> This will probably be the first game where I'll see pixelation censorship and not immediately go looking for something to remove it.
19:36 <@Dagmar> The trailers suggest I won't want to remove it.
19:37 <@Dagmar> Because let's face it... These people are warped enough to make the models anatomically correct.
19:37 <@oddball> heh... you mean since the last game gave you a weapon called "the penetrator?"
19:37 <@Dagmar> Yes well that was clearly a bludgeon.
19:37 <@Dagmar> ...and not attached to your avatar.
19:37 <@Dagmar> ...with bullets whizzing by it.
19:38 <@oddball> There was the gimp suit complete with ball gag
19:39 <@Dagmar> ...and yet that offered some discretion
19:39 <@Dagmar> Not interested in seeing bullets pass through my avatar's junk thank you
19:39 <@Dagmar> Not.  One.  Bit.
19:39 < Evilpig_> Okay who can explain this.  Ran a hard drive over the degausser.  plugged it up after the fact to a PC.  Win7 sees the original partitions but they are showing as raw partition now with nothing in them.
19:40 <@Dagmar> Hybrid SSD?
19:40 <@oddball> again!
19:40 < Evilpig_> no
19:40 <@Dagmar> Maybe hit it again.  Most drives shoudln't even pass their own self-tests after having the plist and glist and second stage bios taken out
19:40 < Evilpig_> seagate baracuda, approximately three or four years old
19:42 < Evilpig_> gonan go nuke it again.  I thought I overly fried it the first time
19:45 < RangerZ> Dagmar: is your avatar 1) The Motherfucker from Kickass 2, 2) Evilpig_'s 'Houseplant' 3) a mini version of you ? lol
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19:46 < frenzy> 'ello
19:47  * Evilpig_ punts frenzy in the nuts
19:47 < Evilpig_> hi
19:47 < frenzy> ^harsh...
19:47 < Evilpig_> Okay so I hit it with the degausser again, waiting for it to cool down now then i'll check it again
19:48 < frenzy> what are you degaussing ? a drive?
19:48 < Evilpig_> yar
19:48 < Evilpig_> had a drive failing, got the replacement in from seagate, making sure it's been sanitized before it goes back
19:51 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: https://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/ATA_Secure_Erase
19:51 < GateKeeper> Title: ATA Secure Erase - ata Wiki (at ata.wiki.kernel.org)
19:52 < Evilpig_> This was my gaming drive.  all it's got is steam, wow, etc.  nothing of consequence but it was a good test subject to make sure the degausser is working correctly
19:56 < Evilpig_> these take too long to cool down after you fry them good
19:57 <@oddball> And if this doesn't work... the hammer!
19:58 < Evilpig_> the hammer would void my warranty
20:00 <@oddball> bah, details.
20:00 <@oddball> Next you'll tell me shooting it is also out of the question. :p
20:00 < Evilpig_> in this case, yes
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20:01 < Synx|hm> Evilpig_: you have a degauser at work?
20:01 < Evilpig_> yup
20:01 < Synx|hm> neat
20:02 < Synx|hm> we used to have a floppy deguaser that i heard was stupid expensive, it was a simple wand with very strong magnet
20:02 < Evilpig_> this works well on id cards for sure.  floppies get cleared pretty quick.   hard drives they're a little thicker and I just don't thik anyone has tested them
20:07 < RangerZ> laptop drives would probably work better
20:07 < RangerZ> but 'ehh'
20:08 < Synx|hm> Evilpig_: what type of device does your work have?
20:08 < RangerZ> by "degausser" he means 3ton press that makes HDD pancakes
20:09 < RangerZ> hehe
20:10 < Evilpig_> uhhh. this loud motherfucker in the other room.  ;)
20:11 < Evilpig_> test #2
20:12 < Evilpig_> second hit finished that fucker off.  one big ass unallocated, non-initialized partition
20:13 < Synx|hm> very odd the first time wasn't complete
20:14 < Evilpig_> yeah I hit it from every angle that time.
20:15 < Synx|hm> is this a wand or a case you put the drive in and hit NUKE
20:15 < Evilpig_> it's a big flat surface with a hotzone you're supposed to move the device though
20:15 < Synx|hm> oh and can someone explain to me why after say one entire zero write data is still retrevable?
20:16 < Evilpig_> and when it's activated it is difficult to move something there
20:16 < Evilpig_> the waveform is still on the defive
20:16 < Evilpig_> device*
20:17 < Evilpig_> now to print the paperwork for this and get it to ups int he morning
20:17 <@Dagmar> Synx: to normal people, it's not.
20:18 < Synx|hm> what about hdd recover software? Is that only for stuff that wasn't overwritten? do you need a clean room to open the drive up after one zero write?
20:21 < aestetix> vagina
20:21 < RangerZ> vaginas
20:21 < aestetix> vaginae
20:21 < spaceB0x> vaginas^4
20:22 < RangerZ> so Star Citizen's first deliverable comes out this friday evening, the 'Hangar Module' which lets you get into your own personal hangar, and see your ship(s), etc
20:23 < RangerZ> aught to be really interesting to to see how good it actually looks, etc
20:23 < aestetix> I just got an idea
20:23 < aestetix> What if you had a 2-in-1 device that was a speculum *and* a dildo?
20:31 < Evilpig_> Okay so the other day I found a bug in this stupid free android game that EA produced called "The Simpsons: Tapped Out".  And I followed in the in game help which said to send email to help@eamobile.com.  That kicked back some automated response crap telling me to goto some other page where I eventually found a real help prompt.
20:32 < Evilpig_> okay so this "help" prompt required you to create a fuckin' origin account.  annoyed.  Turns out I had an old EA account that just got magically upgraded to origin.  I file the report that I originally put in the email that just got bounced back and I get this today. http://i.imgur.com/FTrQE1i.png
20:33 < Evilpig_> Answering them now with their requested info and wondering if this is pissy enough "Honestly, just refunding the donuts is expected behavior. Way to strive for that above and beyond customer experience!  Guess who I won't be reporting bugs to in the future?"
20:35 <@oddball> Simpsons: Tapped Out?  Wasn't that the name of the stupid Simpsons wrestling game?
20:35 < Evilpig_> could have been.  this one is worse.  it's a straight up time sink game, has had an amusing storyline though.  I was telling jason, up in operator services, about bart and homer playing taser tag.
20:36 < Evilpig_> an activity I would condone at phreaknic with willing participants.
20:37 <@oddball> Oh... sorry... apparently that one was simply called "Simpsons Wrestling."  I guess I was giving them too much credit in the creativity department.
20:38 < aestetix> https://gist.github.com/phaedryx/6268820
20:38 < GateKeeper> Title: Loyalty and Layoffs by David Brady (at gist.github.com)
20:38 < aestetix> god this is good
20:39 <@Catonic> aestetix: gigga
20:40 < aestetix> hahaha
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20:44 <@Catonic> ohshit
20:44 <@Catonic> im gonna miss pn.
20:45  * Evilpig_ punches Catonic in the nuts
20:46 <@Catonic> My cousin is getting married a week earlier; I can't file for vacation for EVERY weekend.
20:49 < aestetix> you should skip the wedding, come to PN, and bring Electra
20:50 < Evilpig_> OUCH!  http://www.thesuperficial.com/olivia-munn-swing-video-dislocated-shoulder-08-2013
20:50 < GateKeeper> Title: Who Wants To See Olivia Munn Dislocate Her Shoulder While Riding A Swing Inside A House? - The Superficial - Because Youre Ugly (at www.thesuperficial.com)
20:53 <@opticron> Catonic, the hell you can't
20:54 < aestetix> https://medium.com/medium-long/b695860cb6d6
20:55 < RangerZ> god is oliva munn beautiful...
20:56 < RangerZ> and a cosplayer, lol
21:05 <@eryc> http://imgur.com/dAtcCfH
21:05 < GateKeeper> Title: will.. not.. look.. away.. - Imgur (at imgur.com)
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21:08 <@Catonic> aestetix: gigga please
21:09 <@Catonic> I doubt little-E is any saner than she was... and.. I don't like babysitting.
21:09 <@Catonic> & she'd be paying gas money anyway
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21:17 <@Catonic> Synx|hm: yes
21:19 <@Catonic> opticron: I'm a lot busier at work than I used to be.
21:33 < Evilpig_> oh this is good, sherman in here talking about getting his car towed yesterday
21:39 < RangerZ> ohh Evilpig_
21:40 < RangerZ> i was told to ask you about the php email checking script
21:40 < RangerZ> lol
21:41 < Evilpig_> man, that thing was 9 kinds of horrible
21:45 <@Dagmar>  ABOMINATION.
21:47 < RangerZ> http://www.egcc.edu/faculty-and-staff/testdirectoy
21:47 < RangerZ> LOL
21:47 < GateKeeper> Title: testdirectoy (at www.egcc.edu)
21:47 < RangerZ> don't think they meant to make that directory public...
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21:48 < deadcell_> anyone happen to know anything about PacketCableMultimediaCOPS
21:49 < deadcell_> or know where i can find decent technical documentation on it?
21:49 <@eryc> lol
21:49 < RangerZ> deadcell is that a REAL thing? lol
21:50 < deadcell_> yeah
21:50 <@Dagmar> It's some of the more bizarre shit issued by IANA
21:51 <@Dagmar> It's almost certainly not whatever is actually running on port 3918.
21:51 < RangerZ> Dagmar: you have no idea... the network he is on, .... shouldn't work...
21:51 < RangerZ> he was telling me about it earlier
21:51 < RangerZ> pure magic, lol
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21:51 < deadcell_> so odds are it is prob not something i want to fuck with
21:54 < deadcell_> Dagmar: PacketCableMultimediaCOPS is the only thing I can identify it as from the banner it is dropping, almost looks like itis looking for a client
21:54 < deadcell_> hmm one sec
21:54 <@Dagmar> It's sending a banner that says this string...
21:56 < deadcell_> Connected to 96.11.148.1.
21:56 < deadcell_> Escape character is '^]'.
21:56 < deadcell_> �
21:56 < deadcell_> (
21:56 < deadcell_>   
yntwoh1-10k1
21:56 < deadcell_>                	
}
21:56 < deadcell_> thats what it gives out
21:56 <@eryc> is that your cablemodem
21:56 <@eryc> oh .1
21:56 <@eryc> is that your next hop
21:57 <@Dagmar> Cablemodems are about the only things that should be using that port
21:57 <@Dagmar> It's for dynamic qos adjustments
21:57 < RangerZ> he's obviously connecting to the cable modem management system or something for TWC
21:57 < deadcell_> no it is a IP on the wifi cable modem and what all of them have running
21:57 < deadcell_> that is what is driving me made
21:58 < deadcell_> it is almost like the wifi I am connecting to is something the modems hook up to
21:58 <@Dagmar> http://www.arrisistore.com/attachments/WiFi-Rapid-Launch.pdf
21:58 < RangerZ> deadcell do we need to call the cops and report a hacker?
21:58 < RangerZ> lol
21:58 < deadcell_> RangerZ: you know me better then that......
21:58 < deadcell_> ......wait scratch that,lolol
21:58 < deadcell_> Dagmar: i was actually just reading that PDF
21:58 <@eryc> whats in the pdf
21:58 <@Dagmar> http://my.safaribooksonline.com/book/networking/network-management/1587051818/pcmm-cops-usage-considerations/ch14lev2sec10
21:58 < GateKeeper> Title: PacketCable Implementation > Multimedia Applications > PacketCable Multimedia Objects in COPS - Pg. : Safari Books Online (at my.safaribooksonline.com)
21:59 <@Dagmar> eryc: A mention of the protocol
21:59  * eryc tries to figure out what COPS stands for
21:59 <@Dagmar> Common Open Policy SErvice
22:00 <@Dagmar> Now... this on the other hand... might be useful http://search.cpan.org/~shamrock/COPS-Client-0.03/lib/COPS/Client.pm
22:00 < GateKeeper> Title: COPS::Client - search.cpan.org (at search.cpan.org)
22:00 < deadcell_> but what has me lost is when I run a etter cap on the wifi i am connected to ( afriend I am allowed i assure you) I am see people's modems connect to the wifi and getting a IP address. now at the same time, the wifi I am connecting to is for a home school paid roadrunner connection. The house hold also purchased a second TW line not paid for by the school. Apparently the installer spliced a line from the school's modem in order to
22:01 <@Dagmar> Line too long
22:01 < deadcell_> lol sorry WoT
22:02 <@Dagmar> Either you really need to try harder at English or what you were typing was truncated by the server.
22:02 <@Dagmar> It ends at "modem in order to"
22:02 < deadcell_> moore or less, two Road runner connections, one is paid for by a home schooling system
22:02 < deadcell_> the other is paid for by the people who own the house
22:03 <@Dagmar> So... what of it?
22:03 < deadcell_> the one for the school was there first, when they got the second line they own the tech spliced the schools line
22:03 < deadcell_> so now when we connect to the wifi running from the schools modem, we are given a direct time warner business class IP address.
22:04 <@eryc> lol
22:04 <@eryc> so to recap
22:04 <@eryc> school has roadrunner, you connect now and you get a TW ip
22:04 <@eryc> awesome
22:05 <@Dagmar> Sounds like you're connecting to the wrong Ap to me
22:05 < deadcell_> connect into modem/router via wifi, have not checked the direct connection
22:05 < deadcell_> Dagmar: the home school modem has built in wifi that is wide open, no access found to secure it
22:05 <@Dagmar> Not surprising
22:05 < deadcell_> thats how I stumpled upon this and got completely lost, lol
22:06 <@Dagmar> The Feds have sort of given up on trying to get people to use WPA everywhere
22:06 < deadcell_> any suggestions that may be able to explain what i am overlooking/missing ?
22:06 <@Dagmar> WTf are you expecting to see?
22:07 < RangerZ> deadcell_: i'm going to go out on a limb, and say you are overlooking things b/c you haven't completed your degree
22:07 <@eryc> what do you need a degree for
22:07  * RangerZ rubs salt in wounds of deadcell_ ;)
22:07 < deadcell_> a normal interal IP address, a 192. or something to that extent, that is really what has me lost. I would assume it would give a basic ip range.
22:07 < RangerZ> eryc: inside joke
22:07 <@Dagmar> Not necessarily
22:08 <@Dagmar> wifi units don't _have_ to give out IANA-reserved addresses or something
22:08 <@Dagmar> Most of them are just configured to do so
22:08 < deadcell_> ahhh! Dagmar feel free to kick me in the head.
22:08 < deadcell_> it would be the same as seting up a pfsense box and connect a WAP to it, and disabling the DHCP services on the WAP
22:09 < deadcell_> having the pfsense box acting as the DHCP server
22:09 <@Dagmar> At a guess, I suspect someone was too stupid to realize that one of the connections is now not being used at all
22:09 <@eryc> not really
22:09 <@Dagmar> ...or, and this is also likely, they plugged the fucking thing in backwards
22:10 < deadcell_> lol
22:10 <@eryc> the cablemodem has a /29 or something assigned and provides dhcp using that range
22:10 < deadcell_> Dagmar: either can be true the SSID says AppleBees
22:10 <@Dagmar> eryc: Generally only when the link to the headend is down
22:11 <@eryc> well, in non cablemodem land
22:11 <@Dagmar> Mirage was the one who pointed out to me that most APs will only run their DHCP server if your upstream is actually connected to the upstream port
22:11 < deadcell_> Dagmar: thanks for the explaination
22:11 <@Dagmar> I still feel fucking cheated about that
22:11 <@eryc> internet down? you get no network!
22:12 <@eryc> 169 ips for the lot of you
22:12 <@Dagmar> Connect an AP to your network using the first switch port on it instead of the uplink, and it'll merrily repeat any DHCP requests it gets over wifi onto the wired network, _instead_ of just serving them from the IP range it was given to use
22:12 <@eryc> so, the SSID is AppleBees
22:12 <@eryc> let's start there again
22:13 <@Dagmar> I'm doin' it here so that my service firewall which actually has a DHCP server on it for the wired network can assign the IP addresses for the wireless as well
22:13 <@Dagmar> If the SSID says AppleBees it's *gasp* probably a restaurant
22:14 <@Dagmar> So, if the ninnies who put in the homeschool AP connection connected it to the TW wired segment for whatever asinine reason, probably thinking the two networks would somehow magically work things out on their own, it's very possible it's just relaying the DHCP requests from the Wifi onto the TW wired segment and you'd get IP addresses from the TW business connection
22:15  * eryc triangulates that IP address and determines the nearest applebees
22:15 <@Dagmar> ...which means that whatever cablemodem segment is connected to the homeschool wifi is basically vestigial
22:15 < aestetix> oh hai
22:15 < aestetix> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/19/obama-administration-asks-supreme-court-to-allow-warrantless-cellphone-searches/?print=1
22:15 < GateKeeper> Title: Obama administration asks Supreme Court to allow warrantless cellphone searches | The Switch (at www.washingtonpost.com)
22:15 <@Dagmar> Over my fucking crypto
22:16 < deadcell_> Dagmar: in a nut shell....yeah
22:16 <@eryc> https://www.google.com/maps/preview#!q=applebees&data=!4m10!1m9!4m8!1m3!1d56629!2d-80.639547!3d41.094482!3m2!1i1599!2i904!4f13.1
22:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Maps (at www.google.com)
22:16 <@eryc> there's your applebees
22:16 < deadcell_> obama asking for warrentless wiretabs? are they not already doing that?
22:17 <@Dagmar> THey're still trying to pretend they haven't been backdooring the cellco networks
22:17 < deadcell_> guess it would be worthless to even use something like redphone if the nsa asks for all the ssl keys
22:18 < deadcell_> Dagmar: most people already assume they are, but that "if yor did nothing wrong you have nothing to hide" mentallity seems to be ever present
22:21 <@eryc> the administration probably doesn't know half of what the NSA does
22:21 <@Dagmar> I prefer the "If you've led a holy life you should have no problem with me setting you on fire" rebuttal to that
22:21 <@Dagmar> This has fuck all to do with whether or not someone is trying to hide nonexistant guilt.
22:22 <@Dagmar> We have a constitution.  It lists out some rights.  These are the fundamental building blocks that describe the way the law and the citizenry are supposed to interact in a formal social contract.
22:22 <@eryc> reasonable suspicion bro
22:22 <@Dagmar> One side doesn't get to just ignore the rules simply because they are inconvenient at the moment.
22:22  * deadcell_ blinks
22:22 < deadcell_> never heard that one
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22:23 <@Dagmar> The moment the rules are ignored, the contract is no longer being followed, and the government is then ruling over instead of on the behalf of.
22:24 <@eryc> hail to the chief baby
22:24 < deadcell_> Dagmar: agreed
22:24 <@eryc> or was that king
22:24 <@eryc> hail to the king baby
22:24  * eryc goes off to play some Duke Nukem Forever
22:26 <@Dagmar> This is supposed to be a representative democracy.  For the government to abandon the terms of that agreement is totalitarianism.
22:27 <@Dagmar> It doesn't matter that the difference to most citizens is minor, it is _wrong_.  It is wrong because at any moment the will of the government may be completely in opposition to the will of it's people without repercussion.  This is _unfair_ and _unworthy_
22:28 < aestetix> Dagmar: uhhhh
22:28 < aestetix> What about what Nixon said during Frost Nixon
22:28 < aestetix> "If the president does something, then it's not illegal."
22:29 <@Dagmar> We have fought wars and people have died defending _this_ contract.  Not a lie told to the people to keep them quiescent, but the Constitution
22:29 <@Dagmar> aestetix: What of it?  It's entirely bullshit.
22:29 <@Dagmar> If it weren't bullshit, there could never be any impeachment proceedings.
22:29 < aestetix> Well, I realize that.
22:30 < aestetix> But, I'm pretty sure that mentality has driven every president *since* Nixon
22:30 <@Dagmar> Bush the Younger was apparently at least marginally aware of it
22:30 <@Dagmar> "It's not a crime to lie to the American people.  I kinda wish it was but it's not."
22:31 <@Dagmar> Right on the front lawn he said this, to CNN.
22:31 <@Dagmar> I saw this shit myself
22:32 <@oddball> And then he admited to being part of criminal activity (warrentless wiretapping), and congress not only failed to nail him on it, but decided that it needed to be legal.
22:33 <@oddball> And then Obama decided to run with it.
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22:38 <@Dagmar> He may have spun this line more htan once
22:38 <@Dagmar> When I saw it it was about two weeks after they'd been saying that the US gov't doesn't torture people, and then about two weeks later we found out otherwise, and they were asking him about it on the white house lawn
22:39 <@Dagmar> Shit like this is part of the reason he started being on vacation so often, and why they basically stopped having press conferences where the press could actually ask questions.
22:39 <@Dagmar> There were still reporters asking questions like "Weren't you lying about that?"
22:40 <@Dagmar> ...because let's face it... the idea of it taking over a _year_ to redecorate the press room is just silly.
22:41 <@Dagmar> You can fucking build one from the ground up in that time.
22:44 <@Dagmar> but hey, maybe there were "security considerations"... Like perhaps it took awhile for all the trees used to make the planks go to through detailed background checks to make sure they were not in fact Al Queda spies
22:45 <@Dagmar> For sure you can't trust formica and pressboard.
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23:02 <@Dagmar> It's at times like this I can't help but wonder... If Microsoft learned how to actually perform filesum checks and config diffs, how many millions of man hours would be saved by Steam users in one month.
23:02 < Evilpig_> lol
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23:02 <@oddball> heh
23:03 <@oddball> Oh... it's released... isn't it?
23:03 <@Dagmar> It is in the unpacking phase
23:04 < Evilpig_> que?
23:04 <@Dagmar> ...and just transitioned to "Ready to  install Microsoft V++ Runtimes... again motherfucker"
23:04 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Saint's Row IV
23:05 <@Dagmar> MISANTHROPY, HO-OOO!
23:05 <@Dagmar> Amusingly, the EULA resembles the main Steam website rather closely
23:07 <@oddball> yes it does
23:08 <@oddball> Yay!  Missing executable!
23:09 <@Dagmar> Normal.
23:09 <@Dagmar> Exit the steam client, then restart it
23:10 <@Dagmar> I like the menu transitions
23:11 <@oddball> yep
23:14 < Evilpig_> wtf is this?  like a rts crossed with rainbow six? http://store.steampowered.com/app/65930/
23:14 < GateKeeper> Title: The Bureau: XCOM Declassified on Steam (at store.steampowered.com)
23:19 <@Dagmar> "More fun, less mercy killing,"
23:19 <@Dagmar> Words to live by, right there.
23:29 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Well, yes.
23:29 < Evilpig_> lame.  pass
23:31 < Evilpig_> "If set to OptIn, only 'Switch' devices assigned to a tag of 'Report' will be included. If set to OptIn, all switches except those tagged with 'NoReport' will be included."  Sometimes dolemite just makes me shake my head and sigh
23:34 < aestetix> https://github.com/al3x/sovereign
23:36 < Evilpig_> aestetix: interesting
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