--- Log opened Wed Aug 07 00:00:04 2013
00:02 < RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP4e4vGP6oc
00:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Cars for Girls - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:02 < RangerZ> wow...
00:03 < RangerZ> thats some bad drama creating products right there... where is that nymrights thread about miazaki films and "feminsts can only be female" ....
00:04 < aestetix_> it's not a nymrights thread
00:04 < aestetix_> it's a noisebridge thread
00:04 < aestetix_> and it was fucking hilarious
00:04 < RangerZ> ahh
00:04 < RangerZ> i emailed that dude actually
00:04 < aestetix_> do not drag nymrights into this
00:05 < aestetix_> oh?
00:05 < RangerZ> linked him this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminism#Men_and_masculinity
00:05 < GateKeeper> Title: Feminism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
00:05 < RangerZ> "Male participation in feminism is encouraged by feminists and is seen as an important strategy for achieving full societal commitment to gender equality."
00:05 < aestetix_> which dude did you email
00:05 < RangerZ> ... not that _I_ was trying to spur him on to feed the trolls, the guy who said he was a feminist, and was like 'wtf lady'
00:06 < RangerZ> garrettmace
00:06 < RangerZ> thats the name
00:06 <@wilpig> holy fucking shit... 
00:06 <@wilpig> someone dispose of the husk that is mongo
00:06 < RangerZ> ?
00:07 < aestetix_> RangerZ: my take on the whole thing
00:07 <@wilpig> "did you guys run that cable for kevin?"
00:07 < RangerZ> she was trolling?
00:07 < aestetix_> anyone who engages in a topic like that is NOT trying to have a productive discussion
00:07 < aestetix_> especially on a mailing list
00:07 <@wilpig> pat: "no, we emailed them and said they need to tell us which cables we can eliminate because the cable hole is full"
00:07 < aestetix_> so I just grab popcorn
00:07 <@wilpig> mongo: "do we have a tile with a bigger hole?"
00:07 <@wilpig> me: *headdesk*
00:08 <@wilpig> How the fuck would you lift a fully populated rack, and replace a tile under it with a hole in the middle of it with a new tile?
00:08 <@wilpig> there wasn't even a thought in that hollow head
00:09 < aestetix_> RangerZ: seriously, that discussion is a game you can only win by not playing.
00:09 <@wilpig> RangerZ: that rack I pointed out to you last week in the research area with the fuckton of cable mess in it.  that one
00:09 < RangerZ> forklift
00:09 < RangerZ> ;)
00:09 <@Catonic> blip
00:10 <@Catonic> so I'm on consulting hours... gotta bill straight time for everything
00:10 <@wilpig> RangerZ: for moving the body? i'll see what I can do
00:10 <@Catonic> suddenly I don't have time for IRC or FB
00:10 < aestetix_> Catonic: too busy getting laid?
00:10 <@wilpig> Catonic: bill it out to someone as problem research
00:11 < RangerZ> both of those discussions are popcorn worthy
00:11  * RangerZ comfort Catonic
00:12 < RangerZ> wilpig: why not talk to your manager?
00:12 <@wilpig> not worth the headache
00:12 < RangerZ> i mean for the 'overall' , not just a single incident
00:12 <@wilpig> I've already got one email into him about four switches being racked but mysteriously no change filed for them, and they don't exist in inventory
00:13 < aestetix_> heh
00:13 < aestetix_> that reminds me of the time I worked for sears
00:13 <@wilpig> I have.  I got points taken off my performance review last year because of my interactions with mongo
00:13 < aestetix_> to spite my annoying manager, I ordered like 500 cans of paint
00:13 < northrup> wilpig: I always love the hardware that just shows up
00:13 < aestetix_> and just left it there :p
00:13 < RangerZ> aestetix_: what did 'they' have to do with it?
00:14 < aestetix_> RangerZ: they also just left it there
00:14 <@wilpig> northrup: my email to the manager inquired as to the legitimacy of the hardware or if it was ownerless.  if ownerless, since it doesn't exist in inventory, then there isn't an owner to miss it and I inquired it was up for grabs.
00:14 < aestetix_> literally, there were several pallets full of paint, just sitting in the middle of the store, blocking several aisles
00:14 < aestetix_> and nobody gave a shit
00:15 < aestetix_> that is what happens when how good you are doing is determined by how many orders you make
00:15 < northrup> wilpig: ahh it's all fun and games until that shit goes home to a lab ;)
00:16 < aestetix_> of course there is some poor kid in africa who can't afford a can of paint now
00:16 < RangerZ> aestetix_: that poor kid is a US grad student
00:16 < RangerZ> <<
00:16 < northrup> wilpig: reminds me of the time I worked for VU and networking got a call to "install some ports" in a closet. Show up and it's an IBM SP2 Mainframe in a broom closet.
00:17 < northrup> wilpig: people are stupid
00:17 <@wilpig> people are lazy
00:17 < northrup> well ... that too
00:18 <@wilpig> guess I best get ready to head over to the other side of campus to see about running some new cables
00:19 <@wilpig> just ready to crawl into bed.  didn't want to come to work yesterday, even less today
00:20 < northrup> I've had auditors here at my place for two weeks
00:21 < northrup> every damned day it's another request for MORE information and more fact finding
00:21 <@Catonic> poor kids in ethopia can't afford paint to graffiti with thanks to you now
00:21 < northrup> I'm to the point now where I'm done trying to cover for people, fuck it; you didn't put the testing results back in the change control system, guess it didn't get tested.
00:22 <@Catonic> northrup: until you have to power and cool The Lab.
00:23 < northrup> Catonic: Yeah, I already have that problem, with two racks full of gear - I don't leave it all on.
00:23 <@Catonic> I virtualized everthing and switched other machines to laptops and Alix 2d2-type PCs
00:24 < RangerZ> ok...wtf... why has ubuntu gone to shit for playing real movie DVDs
00:24 <@Catonic> problem is, I wired up a fancy thermostat and didn't wire the heat side... so now I freeze where before I didn't
00:24 < northrup> What I'm running now I'm running as virtuals for the most part
00:25 < northrup> Catonic: I'm currently looking at a fancy thermostat, but can't decide between Honeywell or the Next
00:25 <@wilpig> Catonic: on alix's boxes are you not wearing out the flash media?  what are you running on them anyhow?
00:25 < RangerZ> honeywell is 'well' known for their quality
00:25 < northrup> Catonic: mainly because I have desires of adding in an outside air exchange and dehumidifcatoin
00:26 <@Catonic> Not really, embedded, flash-aware OS
00:27 <@Catonic> northrup: next is Neat. I'd go next.
00:28 <@Catonic> Mine was like $30 or something... programmable seven day... I just keep it in hold at 75 now because I'm too lazy to change it
00:28 < northrup> Catonic: I've been thinking about the DIY Zoning project for HVAC, but every time I look at that I get tired thinking about the work load.
00:29 <@Catonic> automate everything; arduino to do the work, and link into a PC over ZigBee or something to coordinate
00:30 < northrup> that's the plan
00:30 <@Catonic> add X10 to control fans... You're on your own for the windows and blinds though
00:32 < northrup> Ehh... I was thinking something along the lines of UPB or Zwave (or something else) instead of X10
00:32 < northrup> X10 is fire and forget it, I'd like to get feedback and status information
00:33 <@Catonic> HPNA
00:33  * Catonic ducks
00:34 < northrup> Heh
00:35 <@Catonic> power company here has the meters on 900MHz... 902-928
00:35 <@Catonic> biggest mesh network around
00:36 < northrup> Yeah, they're working on rolling that out where I live on Dickson Electric (west of Nashville)
00:36 < northrup> my grip with that is that it appears that they're doing it in such a half assed bare minimum way, that they'll never expose it to the consumer.
00:37 < northrup> s/grip/gripe/
00:38 <@Catonic> I didn't say we had access to it... just that it was around
00:38 <@Catonic> networks like that aren't designed with a bearer capability unless they go fiber.
00:39 <@Catonic> I know of one place that did it and they installed a VLAN switch at the power meter... one side to the meter, one side to the pole, and two CAT5 jacks on the wall.
00:39 < northrup> I'd take an API from the power company... but that's asking a lot from a company that has static pages and shuffles you off to western union for the online bill payment.
00:39 < northrup> LOL
00:40 <@Catonic> 1200 person town and there's 100Mbit/s internets on the wall -- if you can pay $20,000 a month for it
00:40 < RangerZ> NES atleast does the charging themselves (probably WU on backend)
00:41 <@Catonic> dude, I want to make a trip to Texas, just to find the asshole that thought it was a good idea to make an AJAX/Javascript-enabled website to support the blade chasses.
00:42 <@Catonic> 200MHz processor on the controller... and they use AJAX. So of COURSE it's slow.
00:42 <@wilpig> heh
00:42 <@wilpig> but ajax is hip
00:42 < RangerZ> hehhe
00:42 < RangerZ> node.js FTW...or something like that...
00:42 <@Catonic> click on the wrong thing and you gotta go back and login in again because GASP! you have two sessions open.
00:43 <@Catonic> it's enough to make a man want to reconfigure blades to boot to serial so he can get the console over ssh instead of fighting with Java to get the remote KVM
00:44 <@Catonic> also... and this is a super-fun one... combine tools used to operate a compute cluster with control functions...
00:44 <@Catonic> Hey, look, I pulled all this data from these things concurrently!
00:44  * northrup shudders... java for KVM
00:45 < northrup> then it becomes the fun game of WHICH java do you need
00:45 < northrup> and which applications will require a different version of java
00:46 <@Catonic> and then some jackass sends out some tools to kill all non-compliant versions of java, neutralizing vendor-supplied java with $software that is no longer covered because the vendor wanted a 25-fuckton dump trunk full of money.
00:47 <@Catonic> so, yes, I've been busy.
00:48 <@Catonic> Keeping the ship righted, swapping out bilge pumps, and trying to keep the guy shovelling coal from falling into the boiler.
00:48 < RangerZ> fucking oracle buying sun screwed over any complexity of android development
00:48 <@Catonic> and on that note, it would be time to start drinking.
00:48 < northrup> Well... Sun always wanted to be DEC.. the sucedded.. :-/
00:48 <@Catonic> I used to be able to get a human when I called in...
00:49 <@Catonic> Imagine my surprise when it came time to open a Severity 1 ticket and I couldn't find a number or means of contact.
00:49 < northrup> I loved the Sun hardware and the Sun Solaris OS
00:50 <@Catonic> I didn't know what was wrong with the machine, but it apparently had a stroke. Half of everything worked.
00:50 <@Catonic> ... during a routine maintenance window.
00:51 <@Catonic> call up Soreassacle, inform them of the situation, they take my info, then transfer me to someone in the Rockies... who tries to figure out if there's a Solaris / kernel issue...
00:51 < RangerZ> Catonic: ... I don't know why... but that image is really funny to me right now, lol
00:51 <@Catonic> like... half the ram, half the CPUs, and half the disk aren't responsive... maybe this is a HARDWARE issue... not Solaris kernel.
00:52 < northrup> LOL
00:52 < RangerZ> yeah... .that has to be great...
00:52 < northrup> "have you tried power cycling the server"
00:52 < northrup> LOL
00:52 < northrup> WTF
00:52 <@Catonic> got a break in the phone call(s), call local support... "Guys, don't know who is on call.. but I just opened a sev 1 for a ______ that's missing half of everything. Just FYI, I'm pushing to get the ticket into the field."
00:53 <@Catonic> no shit, they had me do that.
00:53 <@Catonic> pretty sure they asked me that.
00:53 <@Catonic> "Yeah, I'm going to have to put you on hold while I go dig into the back of the machine, find out where each of the four power cords is plugged in at, and unplug them.
00:53 <@Catonic> "
00:54 < RangerZ> LOLOL
00:54 <@Catonic> mind you, this was supposed to be "routine" patching of a server that _everyone_ watches.
00:55 <@Catonic> When we do work on it, we're launching the shuttle... perfect hand-off... perfect execution....
00:56 < northrup> is it an older sun box, or a newer one?
00:56 <@Catonic> When I called the boss to give the update, I let slip that I'd already called the field to notify them to be aware of hot ticket, and that I already had a Sev 1 ticket open.
00:58 <@Catonic> christ almighty, they've EOL'd it.
00:58 <@Catonic> sweet jesus, it's sucessor is a sexy beast
00:59 < northrup> aye, but what is it?
00:59 < northrup> let me live my sun hardware dreams vicariously through you
00:59 < northrup> LOL
01:00 <@Catonic> It's the size of a V890
01:02 < northrup> Mmmm...
01:02 < northrup> I have a Sun e4500 at home.. I love that thing... it's long in the tooth now though, but still fun.
01:03 <@Catonic> 128GB of RAM
01:04 <@Catonic> 64 threads / virtual processors
01:04 <@Catonic> I wanted one of those
01:05 < northrup> I have a sun T2000 as well, that kicks ass even for being older.
01:05 <@Catonic> I passed on something sorta like it because it was big, (5' tall) and required three-phase power
01:05 <@Catonic> The T2000s are nice, but next to a T3 they are meh
01:05 < northrup> heh... I passed on taking the VU ctrvax home when it was decomissioned... had to draw the line somewhere at legacy hardware at the house.
01:06 <@Catonic> I think in about two years I've had three T5240 motherboards replaced
01:06 < RangerZ> yeah, the t3000 are nice
01:06 < RangerZ> we actually used the t2000 as our design spec for our comp arch class
01:06 <@Catonic> It was a bit of a shame, we never used it for what it did best.
01:06 <@Catonic> We could totally get into some LDOM, but the boss doesn't want to do that.
01:07 < northrup> why not?!
01:07 <@Catonic> because we scale the system to prepare for an internal slashdotting.
01:08 <@Catonic> 128GB of ram... and yes, we have 2.5*RAM in swap space.... >,<
01:08 < RangerZ> .....
01:08 < northrup> Catonic: WHY!?
01:08 <@Catonic> yes, it's 100% free.
01:09 <@Catonic> because questioning the developers makes them angry? *ducks*
01:09 < northrup> I just got done beating up the folks where I work over that. Look, you've got 256 GB of ram, if you chew through all of that, didn't notice it, and need to SWAP OUT TO DISK, we've got some pretty big problems.
01:09 < RangerZ> Catonic: are you developing the code to decode SETI ?
01:09 <@Catonic> northrup: I'm teaching a DBA about that.
01:09 < RangerZ> all AT ONCE...
01:10 <@Catonic> he decided to copy some files into /tmp one day... and leave them for a few hour...days.
01:10 < northrup> errrrrr
01:10 <@Catonic> I pop into the box for something, see we're HEAVY on swap, and start waking people up
01:11 <@Catonic> get an application owner to confirm the app is down and I'm clear for a reboot... kick it...
01:11 <@Catonic> and we have 0% in use again, and with the app up, we're not as heavy as we were.
01:11 <@Catonic> "Oh, sorry, I had some files in /tmp. I'll clean them up now."
01:12 <@Catonic> "/tmp is a memory file system that lives in memory/swap. It is cleared every time the machine reboots.
01:12 <@Catonic> "The machine has been rebooted...."
01:12 < northrup> ARGH!
01:12  * northrup *headdesk*
01:13 <@Catonic> If they're gonna be that stupid about it, I'm going to be sure it's painful.
01:13 < northrup> This is a common rant that I have... it seems to me that we are growing further and futher apart in knowledge about how the fundimentals of things work
01:13 <@Catonic> I do believe I'd pass the ticket on to a coworker just so they could get in on the fun if the user wants files from /tmp pulled from backups...
01:13 < northrup> DNS, DHCP, basic IP knowledge and routing.
01:14 < northrup> General systems constructs about how the OS works and how various architectures behave
01:14 <@Catonic> Yeah, it's fucked to point out to someone who makes twice what you do that they have a fatal error in thier apache config.
01:15 <@Catonic> omg, I about beat a coworker with Cheswick and Bellovin one day
01:15 < northrup> or to have to explain to someone that DNS isn't magic
01:15 <@Catonic> guy was telling me I didn't know my ass from a hole in the ground... and he was adminning an ISA server.
01:15 < northrup> that a forward and a reverse name are different
01:15 < RangerZ> ...yes it is...
01:15 < RangerZ> dns IS magic ;)
01:16 < northrup> as in MS ISA
01:16 <@Catonic> I did not build two ISPs from the ground up and make some really bastardized routers out of PCs to have some MS weenie tell me I don't know how firewalls work.
01:16 <@Catonic> Excuse me. Three ISPs. I forgot about a consulting gig.
01:16 < northrup> people who run ISA servers are in denial, that's the ONLY way you could put a windows box at the edge and sleep at night.
01:19 <@Catonic> Yeah... Imagine my surprise when someone comes and kills a fail-over ethernet link on a Linux box because of a traffic storm...
01:19 < northrup> say WHAT
01:19 <@Catonic> come to find out it's ISA's interaction with the network fabric, and the immense liberties they took with RFCs and 802.11.
01:20 <@Catonic> "Oh, so you mean the reason why Nagios reports the ISA firewall has been returning DUPs to pings for the last two years is this?"
01:21 <@Catonic> Why, oh why, didn't I take the blue pill and do ITSEC instead.
01:21 < northrup> ohhh... now there's a real crackerjack group right there...
01:21 < northrup> "this is insecure" ... "why do you think it's inssecure?" ... "Because I said it was!"
01:21 <@Catonic> probably because I've come close enough to dating LEOs and being friends with LEOs to know that some of them aren't to be trusted...
01:21 <@Catonic> and they aren't the bad ones.
01:22 <@Catonic> northrup: I've heard stories like that.
01:23 <@Catonic> "Hey, this came up on the report. Your box be haxX0rin'. Esplain plz."
01:23 <@Catonic> Person doesn't have a fucking clue what is explained on the paper in front of them.
01:24 <@Catonic> Just... "Explain. Provide documentation of mitigation strategy/plan."
01:24 < northrup> I've always been on the other side of that argument. The "oh it is, please prove that to me"
01:24 <@Catonic> Yes, IT is full of the idiots now.
01:24 < northrup> that right there is generally where it breaks down, and you get the "well... umm... my scanner flagged it..."
01:24 <@Catonic> It's been an exciting seven years so far.
01:25 <@Catonic> "You did what? Dude, you're not supposed to do that. Ever. EVER. Christ, how to we get out of this one..."
01:26 <@Catonic> If I'd bothered to leave town earlier, I'd be making more money than my friend the lawyer was.
01:26 <@Catonic> northrup: yeah, that's a nice position to have.
01:27 <@Catonic> I generally aim for a few people I know are the smart cookies.
01:27 <@Catonic> ITSEC is pretty smart... the dumber ones don't tend to stick around
01:27 <@Catonic> well-educated too.
01:27 <@Catonic> I'm just over carrying a pager and being on call 24x7x365
01:28 < northrup> Indeed... I did not work this hard for this long to go back to that
01:28 < northrup> however - I don't know if my life got better...
01:29 < northrup> I got off of the oncall rotation when I became an architect... but then I've worked here long enough to be the damned compnay 'cleaner'
01:29 <@Catonic> ITSEC has forensics requirements, response team crap, cloak and dagger, etc.
01:29 <@Catonic> amen
01:30 < northrup> it seems now that I don't have an oncall rotation, I get MORE calls at strange hours for various bizare bullshit.
01:30 <@Catonic> I've been in my team the longest; the last guy with seniority died of a heart attack at lunch one day.
01:30 < northrup> it was easier to defend against in the early days when the NOC called with "I'm not the EOC, please contact him first"
01:30 <@Catonic> So many of the big boxes, I turned off personally, and built the new systems.
01:31 < northrup> yeah, the company that I'm at now I've built the IT (and the data center) from the ground up.
01:31 <@Catonic> Emergency Operations Center? LOL... that's a term from my ham radio background
01:31 < northrup> well, in this case I was using it was Engineer on Call
01:31 <@Catonic> my boss did that before me. :)
01:32 < RangerZ> Catonic: you liking your 3D printer?
01:32 < northrup> next year I'll have been here 10 years... fuck, where does time go?
01:33 <@Catonic> yeah, most of ours is "recover the system, getting it up and running, and then waking people up to do work rather than wait on us to be done."
01:33 <@Catonic> northrup: got kids?
01:34 < northrup> Catonic: not personally, nieces and nephews...
01:34 <@Catonic> RangerZ: there's one around here somewhere, but I personally don't have one or access to it
01:35 < RangerZ> ohh, nvm, i thought you had one
01:35 < northrup> Catonic: why for you ask?
01:35 <@Catonic> because no one who has kids asks that question.
01:37 <@Catonic> I'm the only single guy left in three or four departments. Well, I don't know about this other guy, because he doesn't talk about his personal life at work.
01:37 <@Catonic> Though Alabama is more tolerant than Russia at the moment.
01:38 <@Catonic> The married guys have this ... oh, you better have some stories, you fucker...
01:38 <@Catonic> look from time to time... like ... "I'm living in married hell right now with two kids, two cars, a house, a pool, a dog and ..."
01:39 < RangerZ> we had Motorola's "MakeWithMoto" van at vanderbilt this week, and that damn van has 2x 120k$ 3D printers in it, was really nice
01:40 <@Catonic> that reminds me, I need to get lost on campus again.
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01:42 < northrup> Catonic: over in the basements of the MRB bulidings that connect to the library and math buildings... some pretty good places to get turned around.
01:42 < RangerZ> lost?
01:42 < RangerZ> northrup: just wait for the "one engineering/science building to rule them all" they are going to build, fucker will be 9 stories and eat up most of the lawn area or something
01:43 < northrup> RangerZ: well... I mean Olin in sinking into the ground, that heavy fucker..
01:43 < northrup> and they never built the second one, so it just looks dumb
01:44 < RangerZ> *dunno*
01:44 < RangerZ> i live over on 16/17th in the "ISIS area that was formerly known as Music Row"
01:45 < northrup> Origionally there were supposed to be *two* of them, spaced apart and facing each other as mirror images. Which would have been cool.
01:45 < northrup> Oh yeah, I've got friends that work at ISIS
01:49 <@wilpig> northrup: the tunnels aren't hard to get around in.  they pretty much only run one way
01:51 < northrup> wilpig: heh... true enough...
01:52 < northrup> I always liked the tunnels
01:52 <@wilpig> I was just down in them.  headed back in a few minutes after I label these cables
01:53 <@Catonic> lol
02:00 <@Catonic> I don't do confined spaces. Working under a 2' raised floor is my limit
02:00 < RangerZ> Catonic: that IS a confined space
02:00 < RangerZ> lol
02:00 <@wilpig>  the tunnels aren't confied
02:00 <@wilpig> confined.  they're pretty open actually
02:01 < northrup> any of you been under the raised floor in Bryan building?
02:02 <@wilpig> yup
02:02 < northrup> wilpig: :D
02:03 < northrup> that there is a raised floor. LOL
02:03 <@wilpig> 18" ?  it's no big thing
02:04 < northrup> maybe we speak of different spaces.  The raised floor under the former telecom space was an 8' deep/tall raised floor
02:04 < northrup> as it historicaly was a battery hold for the telephone switches
02:04 <@wilpig> must be.  cause the datacenter over there with the telco stuff is just 18"
02:05 < northrup> Bryan's the one over by the coal plant, yes?
02:05 <@wilpig> yup
02:05 < northrup> huh..
02:06 < northrup> that's odd... because I know I've been down in them, there was even a ladder at the edge of the room that came up through the raised floor.
02:06 < RangerZ> that coal plant is shutting down thankfully
02:06 < northrup> ... things change...
02:07 < northrup> well, the coal plant served VU well over the years, it's gotten them out of some financial jams.
02:08 < RangerZ> well now the coal dust is getting too expensive
02:08 < northrup> not the plant directly, but through having the plant they would buy coal futures and coal reserves, and then sell it back and make profit
02:08 < RangerZ> ahh
02:09 < northrup> alrighty gents (and ladies if you're out there) I must head for the hills of home.
02:09 < RangerZ> well, basically, my understanding is that its costing them too much now
02:09 < northrup> it's been great talking to you all
02:09 < northrup> RangerZ: I can well belive that.
02:09 <@wilpig> iles
02:09 <@wilpig> lies
02:09 < RangerZ> but what can you consider from Vandy's great Accountants, lol
02:10 < northrup> oh sweet jebus don't get started on them...
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02:21 <@wilpig> alright back to stevenson for me
02:26 <@Catonic> lols\
02:26 <@Catonic> been busy shitting my brains out
02:26 <@wilpig> you didn't need them anyway
02:26 <@Catonic> something I ate came out hot... must be something artificial, because peppers don't bother me like that anymore
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04:12 <@wilpig> jesus christ man.  general admission on the floor, no seats, $99. http://www.bridgestonearena.com/events/detail/nine-inch-nails
04:12 < GateKeeper> Title: Bridgestone Arena :: Nine Inch Nails (at www.bridgestonearena.com)
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06:30 < RangerZ> yeah ticket prices and merch are where the big bands make their money
06:31 < RangerZ> trust me, you'd pay 2x that if they were seated, b/c you'd have to buy from scalpers, etc
06:38 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not a big Kid Rock fan, but I am definitely a fan of his $20 ticket prices this summer, including $20 merchandise.
06:53 < RangerZ> yeah
06:54 < RangerZ> hell, i'd pay the 35$ tickets, b/c sadly the best tickets for TSO are the non-floor seats, i've pretty much decided that 'arena' seats should always be non-floor
06:55 <@Bahhumbug> TSO?  Trans-Siberian Orchestra?
06:58 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:04 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: yes
07:04 <@Bahhumbug> Best concert I've ever seen.
07:04 < RangerZ> TSO used to start every touring season with 1 of the 2 touring groups in Youngstown, was a great show and local
07:06 <@Dolemite> wilpig: At one end of the Bryan data center it goes to 5' or 6' deep.  It's only 18" for part of it.
07:06 <@wilpig> well there ya go. I've only dealt with the 18" bits
07:06 <@Dolemite> Yeah, the end closest to the dock doors is the deep end.
07:23 <@wilpig> Dolemite: so I take it you did finally get to look over the security changes I made?
07:27 <@wilpig> one last gripe before I hit the bricks
07:28 <@wilpig> I looked at the DC admin page and knew that one of the nd&e guys was back there.  I asked if he had left when I wasn't looking and mongo replied "no, I removed him when blah blah was trying to get in cause you and I hit the page at the same time.
07:28 <@wilpig> keep in mind it has a popup that says are you sure you want to do this, it has the person's name and picture on the screen as well.  I hate that useless lump of shit
07:29 <@wilpig> I'm beginning to think he would even fail at being fertilizer.
07:29 <@Dolemite> wilpig: Some, but not thoroughly.  I do remember what I'd wanted to discuss with you about your method of doing the javascript lookups in the scripts...
07:29 <@Dolemite> When we were calling an external file to return a JSON result, it was actually having a side effect of letting us build an API
07:30 <@Dolemite> But by putting it all within the devices.php (etc) scripts, that's no longer happening
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07:37 <@Bahhumbug> wilpig: It's very difficult to fail at being fertilizaer.
07:37 <@Bahhumbug> I think that's one thing even the plant could excel at.
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09:29 < Synx|hm_> how the f do i un-glue/stick HHD magents from their mounts
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09:58 <@Dagmar> I'm afraid you're going to have to explain what the fuck "HHD magnets" are
09:59 < Synx|hm> the stationary rare earth magnets used to index the voice coil inside a modern hard drive
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10:04 < Synx|hm> wtf internet
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10:07 < Synx_hm> hrm
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10:50 < Synx_hm> i need a good home safe
10:50 < Synx_hm> documents and hhd or two
10:50 < Synx_hm> fireproof
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11:05 <@wilpig>  this drive is not wanting to clone.  not a happy camper this morning\
11:07 <@wilpig> messaging the ex on her birthday would be the best time to demand she pay back the loan now right?
11:08 < Synx_hm> ya if you dont plan on actually getting paid back
11:08 <@wilpig> I highly doubt that ho is ever gonna pay me back anyway
11:09 <@wilpig> I've been looking at it as keeping her away insurance
11:09 < Synx_hm> loans to family or sexual partners are more gifts than loans
11:09 <@wilpig> as long as she owes me money she'll avoid me
11:09 < Synx_hm> which reminds me i need to keep paying my dad for the car loan
11:10 <@brimstone> wilpig: i got one for you, boss wants guest access to the openDCIM instance
11:10 <@wilpig> dcim / dcim
11:10 <@wilpig> opendcim.wilpig.org
11:10 <@brimstone> no, to mine
11:10 <@wilpig> after we're done with the rights rework, you'll be able to set him as a global read
11:10 <@wilpig> but right now that wouldn't get him much
11:10 <@brimstone> no, not his account, a guest account that anyone can use
11:10 < Synx_hm> man i tweaked my neck lifting a 12pack of beer last night :( ive been taking muscel realxors every 3 hours and its not helping :(
11:11 <@wilpig> oh. uhhh.. welll.. fuck a duck.  we never really designed it around that
11:11 <@brimstone> Synx_hm: life's hard in the first world
11:11 <@wilpig> same principle would apply, make a user called dcim and let them use that as the guest account
11:12 <@brimstone> yeah, i'll have to setup apache with a split auth or something then
11:13 <@wilpig> with the way we're changing the rights around, we'll be set to make an actual api at somepoint.  not that it helps you now
11:13 <@brimstone> yeah, i was curious about an api
11:13 <@brimstone> it's possible we might build a PXE system in with this
11:13 <@brimstone> then slap config management ontop of it
11:14 <@wilpig> that's a good ways off.  but the latest thing I submitted that dolemite is testing is the data for the objects are filtered when they get populated from the DB so whatever is getting the data doesn't have to worry about showing something it shouldn't, etc
11:15 <@brimstone> so, when are you going to use a real framework?
11:17 <@wilpig> I've got a hammer
11:17 <@wilpig> we'll use a real framework when someone wants to go back through and rewrite everything to use one. :P
11:18 <@wilpig> I consider it a victory to get a code submit from Dolemite with {} in it
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11:32 <@wilpig> Dolemite: the links are fixed. pull
11:37 < Synx_hm> hrm i need to edit a bunch of pictures to roll the metadata taken date/time into the future, the camera had reset date/time to 2006 and i need it corrected so it sorts correctly in lightroom
11:38 < Synx_hm> write a perl script to open the files for binary access and offset the date tags myself?
11:38 < Synx_hm> oh exiftool can do it
11:38 <@brimstone> you could just take a magnet and a needle and fix the bits on the platter also
11:38 <@wilpig> that would be easiest.  open file -> read date -> +x -> save -> repeat
11:39 <@wilpig> avg warranty on seagate drives?  3yrs?
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11:41 <@wilpig> better question might be where did I buy this drive from and not when
11:42 <@brimstone> i think seagate has 5
11:43 <@brimstone> but i'm not sure
11:43 <@brimstone> you'd RMA it via seagate anyway
11:43 <@wilpig> that would make my day
11:43 <@wilpig> yeah but sometimes the manufacture date can be two or three years older than a purchase date
11:43 <@wilpig> the difference for warranty purposes
11:44 <@brimstone> yup
11:44 <@wilpig> don't see it in my newegg or tigerdirect histories.
11:44 <@wilpig> maybe it will finish cloning soon and I can pull the serial and check
11:56 <@Dagmar> I just run their damn tool and let it tell me who to call
11:57 <@Dagmar> Synx: You only need to give a shit about binary mode in perl IF YOU'RE USING WINDOWS
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12:05 <@wilpig> default IP for a surfboard is 192.168.100.1 right?
12:05 < Synx_hm> yes last i checked wilpig
12:05 <@critch> yep
12:05 <@wilpig> bah.  I've got something not right somewhere then
12:06 <@critch> But they tend to not answer if the cable side is not right
12:06 <@wilpig> I shoudl get the admin page though to tell me the cable side isn't right
12:06 <@critch> nope
12:06 <@wilpig> wha?  that's dumb
12:06 < Synx_hm> sweet got the time exact on these photos now, they called my son's birth 20seconds late
12:06 < Synx_hm> haha
12:07 <@wilpig> well then maybe I do have it right.  
12:08 <@wilpig> no link light at the switch.  that'd do it
12:09 <@wilpig> bad patch cable
12:11 < Synx_hm> they typically issue out a .100.x IP if they dont have a link on the WAN
12:12 <@wilpig> that's what I was looking for.  got old modem working, new modem setup along side it.
12:12 <@wilpig> just hvae to call comcrap and swap service between them now
12:13 <@wilpig> wow.  it's already noon? 
12:14 < v4mp> ^
12:19 <@rattle> Everytime I hear the phrase "Internet of Things" I puke up a little in my mouth.
12:20  * opticron pukes a little in his mouth
12:21 <@opticron> it's the new "the cloud"
12:22 < aestetix_> dongle
12:29 <@Dolemite> wilpig : You mean there was a code problem with the map links, not a PEBCAK problem on my end?
12:33 <@wilpig> yar.  
12:33 <@wilpig> spare " in a sql statement
12:35 <@Dolemite> Ok, I'll pull, upload, and test
12:37 <@wilpig> if i'm reading the date on this drive right and it's 5 yr i'll be in luck
12:38 <@wilpig> and the desktop is back to living again too
12:40 <@wilpig> wooo!
12:40 <@wilpig> In Warranty  
12:40 <@wilpig> Expiration 09-Feb-2014
12:40 <@Dolemite> Score!
12:40 <@wilpig> brimstone was correct
12:42 <@brimstone> 5 years?
12:42 <@wilpig> yar
12:42 <@brimstone> yay \o/
12:42 <@brimstone> i'm good for something!
12:43 <@wilpig> datecode: 09304
12:43 <@wilpig> I'm assuming that is march of 09
12:43 <@brimstone> but it's 93, not 03
12:43 <@Corydon76-home> brimstone: how much are you good for?  Because I'll be good for nothing.
12:43 <@Dolemite> brimstone:  How much of the site does your boss want with guest access?  There's a lot of stuff that you probably wouldn't want people to know too much of.
12:44 <@brimstone> Dolemite: no idea, just "can you enable read-only guest access for everyone?"
12:44 <@Dolemite> Well there's already a global read user right.  You could just add that one account like Wilpig mentioned and give that out, but that's just bad practice.
12:45 <@brimstone> yeah, your app requires a username passed to it from apache
12:45 <@wilpig> and for a $1 hold on my CC the replacement is on the way.
12:46 <@wilpig> brimstone, now that I think of it.  the way we're rewriting the security it could be done to give any user that can authenticate read
12:47 <@wilpig> cause we assume if they have a login then they can read the contents of a rack, but not necessarily the details of a machine
12:48 <@wilpig> btw have both modems online now.  no telling what comcast is thinking right htis minute
12:48 <@Dolemite> brimstone: Then give out the url of https://dcim:dcim@brimstone.luvs.big.racks.com
12:48 <@brimstone> Dolemite: yup
12:48 <@wilpig> one has my static ip, the other is from their random pool
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13:12 < aestetix_> vagina
13:17 < Synx_hm> team em
13:18 <@wilpig> fuckin' comcast
13:19 <@wilpig> dude is saying he can't put my static ip on anything but the netgear or the smc modem that they provide.
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13:21 <@wilpig> might be time to just double modem this bitch. ;)  pfsense with dual public connections?
13:23 < Synx_hm> do it!
13:24 <@Corydon76-home> wilpig:  can't you change your MAC address on the other device to match the device they provided?
13:25 <@wilpig> nope
13:25 <@wilpig> they way they assign statics is kinda retarded
13:26 <@wilpig> for single addresses instead of just having a large pool and assigning an address form that pool to me, they actually issue me a /30
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13:26 <@wilpig> dude claims the sb6121 won't support a real router config and will only take a traditional static ip.
13:27 < aestetix_> penis
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13:33 <@wilpig> http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showpost.php?s=83a1d4dc9f7a7d6d4ae2aab008b55185&p=947802&postcount=9
13:53 <@Catonic> brimstone: guest account... that anyone can use? Yeah, that's a total security violation.
13:54 <@Catonic> set up a seperate instance with objects that look like prod but go to 127.0.0.1
14:04 <@rattle> Hey everyone, saddle up, and watch me do a Chuck Norris style spin-kick, wacking two heads of the NSA and three congressional committees in one maneuver:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/08/07/why-a-former-nsa-chief-just-made-a-big-mistake-by-dissing-hackers/
14:04 < GateKeeper> Title: Why a former NSA chief just made a big mistake by dissing hackers (at www.washingtonpost.com)
14:06 <@wilpig> yup, rattle, that dude done goofed
14:06 <@wilpig> if there is anything that should have been learned over the last few years is DO NOT PISS OFF THE INTERNET
14:06 <@wilpig> that's like designing something and claiming it idiot proof. 
14:07 <@wilpig> idiots are engenius when it comes to fucking up
14:21 <@Corydon76-home> I suspect in under a month, his entire private email history and archive will be made public.
14:22 <@Corydon76-home> Watch Snowden say, "Oh, I've had those emails for months now" and release them himself.
14:22 <@Corydon76-home> Hayden's going to piss himself when he realizes he just kicked a hornet's nest.
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14:50 < aestetix_> actually rattle msg
14:55 < RangerZ2> http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/the-lessons-of-defcon-21/
14:55 < GateKeeper> Title: DefCon 21: Four lessons from hacker heaven | Digital Trends (at www.digitaltrends.com)
14:55 < aestetix_> wilpig: yes
14:55 < aestetix_> especially do not piss off twitter
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14:55 < aestetix_> because god the bee stinks from that will hurt
14:55 < aestetix_> there are some things I simply won't talk about on twitter
15:15 < RangerZ2> aestetix_: vagina?
15:22 < aestetix_> actually yes
15:23 < RangerZ2> ohh come on... we all know you want to deal with "males can't be feminists" posts ;)
15:24 < RangerZ2> i swear... the bay area has its own set of "special" problems, lol
15:24 <@Catonic> rattle: are you gonna start throwing your leg over the chair before you sit down?
15:25 < aestetix_> oh man
15:25 < aestetix_> RangerZ2: yes yes it does
15:25 <@Catonic> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVIGhYMwRgs
15:25 < aestetix_> RangerZ2: the word "special" comes to mind
15:25 < GateKeeper> Title: Riker sits down - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:26 < aestetix_> so
15:27 < aestetix_> https://github.com/aestetix/FIPS/commit/b1c02d6a3971fdb0b9d14f6813c88efa23f3d433
15:27 < aestetix_> any comments?
15:27 < aestetix_> I don't actually agree with the whole thing, but it's a start
15:29 <@Catonic> aestetix_: your mom says Hi. And you should call her sometimes.
15:29 <@Catonic> *sometime.
15:29 <@brimstone> wtf's a nym?
15:30 < aestetix_> Catonic: no need, if you're handling her for me
15:30 <@rattle> Catonic: I can't do that.  My giant balls hang down too low.
15:30 < RangerZ2> short for pseudonym
15:30 < aestetix_> RangerZ2: maybe you should get that checked out
15:30 < aestetix_> er, rattle
15:30 < RangerZ2> i LIKE my giant balls thank you very much
15:32 < RangerZ2> aestetix_: instead of "that you would normally introduce+yourself as" it should be "that someone would introduce you as, and it relevant"
15:32 < RangerZ2> b/c like at PN, i don't go around calling myself RangerZ
15:32 < aestetix_> sure
15:33 < RangerZ2> but I got introduced that way
15:33 < aestetix_> so, there are two definitions of real name I've encountered
15:33 < aestetix_> one... which is "true legal name" I think is bullshit
15:33 < aestetix_> the other one is more "the name you use in real life"
15:33 < RangerZ2> legal name is important for contracts, etc
15:33 < RangerZ2> but not Internet
15:33 < aestetix_> well
15:34 < aestetix_> it's important for places where you need legal accountability
15:34 < aestetix_> but not totally necessary
15:36 < RangerZ2> also... the entire 'party' thing
15:37 < RangerZ2> hmm... probably better to be "a name that others would uniquely identify you with"
15:38 < aestetix_> RangerZ2: do you have github?
15:38 < RangerZ2> aye
15:38 < aestetix_> make those suggestions :)
15:38 < RangerZ2> and i 'could' pull, and then push
15:38 < RangerZ2> but i'm lazy
16:02 <@Shadow404> question
16:03 <@Shadow404> i have a pretty small yard, nothing more than an acre plot
16:03 <@Shadow404> should i buy a gas mower or electric corded
16:03 <@Shadow404> thinking gas, as i can just see me mowing over the cable and shocking or cutting the cord
16:03 <@Shadow404> same price
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16:30 <@Shadow404> now i remember what i hated craigs list so much
16:46 < aestetix_> why
16:52 <@Shadow404> people take days to respond
16:52 <@Shadow404> anywho
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18:10 < RangerZ2> Shadow404: i'd say gas, but thats just me
18:13 <@Shadow404> cool
18:14 <@Shadow404> yeah, picked up a barely used gas self propelled one, just now
18:32 <@wilpig> RangerZ2: but I go around and am addressed as pig or wilpig
18:32 < RangerZ2> but when random women at even places like kroger are calling you 'pig' it is for OTHER reasons
18:35 <@wilpig> not always
18:35 <@wilpig> the chick at kroger calls me pig
18:35 <@wilpig> but I tend to see her at least once or twice a week and she knows me
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18:52 < aestetix_> did she call you pig before she knew you?
18:58 <@wilpig> nope
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20:18 <@Shadow404> woot woot
20:19 <@Shadow404> thought i bought a dud lawnmower, worked for like 20 minutes then starting cutting out randomly
20:20 <@Shadow404> found the fuel filter was clogged after a bit of tinkering, got some compressed air to clean it out and bam, purrs like a well fucked wet kitten
20:21 <@Dagmar> TMI kitten-fucker
20:21 <@Shadow404> yeah, well they were gonna die when i masturbated anyway
20:21 <@Shadow404> might as well put them to good use
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20:27 <@Dagmar> http://www.break.com/video/wrong-address-cops-don-t-care-2503609 <-- the lesson to be learned, don't show weakness
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20:59 < RangerZ1> THIS is why I was talking about having a [break down-proof] door
21:08 <@notlarry> ssh 10.0.0.666
21:08 <@notlarry> wrong window
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22:08 < stowbari> Anyone listen to the Protomen? They're a band from the Nashville/Murfreesboro area that does music about Megaman. It's probably a long shot, but it would be awesome if we could get them to play at Phreaknic.
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22:51 <@Mirage> wilpig: oink!
22:54 <@Catonic> squee
22:56 <@Catonic> Dagmar: yeah, don't open the door, period.
22:56 <@Catonic> If they break down the door, then they have an illegal entry... if you open the door... then they can come in anyway.
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