2013-07-26T00:03:27 and by "pick up" i mean "buy" 2013-07-26T00:03:33 but ehh 2013-07-26T00:04:41 http://allthingsd.com/20130724/googles-chromecast-lets-you-watch-tv-on-the-web-on-your-tv-guess-who-doesnt-like-that/ what led to my decision 2013-07-26T00:11:31 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-07-26T00:16:23 RangerZ: Yes, that's rather shitty of them considering that it IS cheaper than a damn HDMI cablt 2013-07-26T00:17:34 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T00:22:40 *** sasquatc3 is now known as sasquatc4 2013-07-26T00:26:05 Cheaper than prices at monoprice.com? 2013-07-26T00:28:27 Cheaper than anything I'll find around here. 2013-07-26T00:28:39 Oh, and FIND ME A WIRELESS CABLE ON MONOPRIVE 2013-07-26T00:28:43 er monoprice 2013-07-26T00:29:03 Is there a site like delishows, but for movies? 2013-07-26T00:29:15 i dunno, for 35$ doesnt really seem worth it when you can get a wd streaming box for 20$ or so more and also use your own sources 2013-07-26T00:29:30 I can use my own sources fine 2013-07-26T00:30:08 Everybody talks about how expensive hdmi cables are but looking on monoprice and they don't seem very unreasonable. My question was actually legit; I don't have a single hdmi cable around here nor have I ever ordered one so I was actually curious if they really did cost as much as that device. 2013-07-26T00:30:41 At a store, they cost mint 2013-07-26T00:30:58 ...particularly if you need a "fancy" one with the mini-HDMI connector on it, like well, every phone and tablet 2013-07-26T00:31:09 Ahh. 2013-07-26T00:31:39 so a chromecast will do 1080p streaming from your own samba or dlna shares? 2013-07-26T00:32:22 Assuming you bullshit it with a _webpage_, I'm pretty sure it will 2013-07-26T00:33:47 like i said, just seems unnecessary when you can get something you know will handle full 1080p plus dts and any other video formats you throw at it without complaining and without having to resort to hacks 2013-07-26T00:33:54 Cables. 2013-07-26T00:34:16 Fuck cables. 2013-07-26T00:34:23 yea, the wd boxes have built in wifi 2013-07-26T00:34:33 ...and yet they need power. 2013-07-26T00:34:42 ...and don't just go straight into the HDMI port 2013-07-26T00:35:05 The MK808 I have comes pretty close to doing that, but not quite 2013-07-26T00:35:17 that one of those little android pc's on a stick? 2013-07-26T00:35:49 Yeah, it's literally the size of a pack of gum 2013-07-26T00:36:01 I can fit the whole thing in my mouth easily 2013-07-26T00:37:27 We *are* at the point where this shit shoudln't need cables anymore 2013-07-26T00:37:37 I intend to eliminate the fucking things wherever I can 2013-07-26T00:38:00 actually this all reminds me to move my wdlive into the bedroom now that im running hdmi->ethernet 2013-07-26T01:09:51 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T01:17:51 *** stowbari has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-07-26T01:32:37 And the aroma of some pretty dank weed just floated up to our apartment. 2013-07-26T01:35:52 ...and you live where? 2013-07-26T01:36:20 ...cuz I'm pretty sure that's not a unique event around your neighborhood 2013-07-26T01:37:11 Around here it is, although there was one night on the way home in the evening I smelled what I can only describe as a horrible mistake with someone's hide-a-log 2013-07-26T01:37:20 Big clouds of "hickory-smoked dope" 2013-07-26T01:37:38 I smelled it from my bike with my helmet on *in the street* 2013-07-26T02:01:04 true dat 2013-07-26T02:01:24 Let's put it this way 2013-07-26T02:01:29 I have a cold and lots of congestion 2013-07-26T02:01:35 and it was so thick and dank that I could smell it 2013-07-26T02:01:51 Someone is having a *really* good night 2013-07-26T02:07:28 hey, it's aestetix_! 2013-07-26T02:11:45 heh 2013-07-26T02:16:03 sup nillas? 2013-07-26T02:16:24 hickory-smoked dope.. that's awesome. 2013-07-26T02:16:45 Yeah, I laughed my ass off 2013-07-26T02:16:54 Someone very clearly burned their entire stash 2013-07-26T02:23:42 so, willie nelson, cheech and chong get together and smoke dope together 2013-07-26T02:29:12 oh man 2013-07-26T02:29:19 someone just started dating a new gf 2013-07-26T02:29:28 it's been a while since I was able to say "stick it in her butt" 2013-07-26T02:42:43 speaking of butt 2013-07-26T02:42:46 Catonic: how you doing? 2013-07-26T03:13:12 good 2013-07-26T03:18:09 http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/25/us/new-york-madison-square-garden-relocation/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 2013-07-26T03:18:10 Title: Madison Square Garden gets 10 years to find new location - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com) 2013-07-26T03:24:23 huh 2013-07-26T03:29:07 swag yolo 2013-07-26T03:31:07 UP is firing up a Big Boy 2013-07-26T03:42:23 so whats this about barnaby jack dieing? 2013-07-26T03:43:41 vagina 2013-07-26T04:17:16 http://i.imgur.com/r1uZF.gif 2013-07-26T04:17:19 just for wilpig 2013-07-26T04:17:21 and probably nsfw 2013-07-26T04:43:06 ewwwwww 2013-07-26T05:07:35 tp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loEa7YJQSgo 2013-07-26T05:07:37 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loEa7YJQSgo 2013-07-26T05:07:43 this video is fucking hlarious 2013-07-26T05:07:45 and sfw 2013-07-26T05:48:53 *** rattle has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2013-07-26T06:27:27 what rhymes with "hugme"? 2013-07-26T06:30:24 *** psyiode has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T06:30:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o psyiode 2013-07-26T06:32:44 what 2013-07-26T06:35:08 howdy 2013-07-26T06:35:35 psyiode: what up nilla 2013-07-26T06:35:56 devs trying to figure out deployment issues... 2013-07-26T07:28:21 *** Dolemite has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T07:28:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dolemite 2013-07-26T07:28:23 mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 2013-07-26T07:51:46 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T07:59:26 psyiode: g'morning 2013-07-26T07:59:45 mornin sir 2013-07-26T07:59:56 How's it hanging? 2013-07-26T08:00:32 hoping to wrap up soon... otherwise things are well 2013-07-26T08:00:35 Hey, did you hear that McNabb is working as a dev pod admin for twitter now? Moved out to 'frisco some months back. 2013-07-26T08:00:44 oh nice! 2013-07-26T08:00:48 Indeed. 2013-07-26T08:00:52 I'm happy for him. 2013-07-26T08:01:04 I'll should try to touch base with him... will be in town next month 2013-07-26T08:01:06 He's been underselling himself in the talent department for a long time; he needed this jump. 2013-07-26T08:01:12 no doubt 2013-07-26T08:01:32 things been good for you? 2013-07-26T08:01:34 He's on facebook, I don't have an active email for him these days. 2013-07-26T08:01:39 Unless he's still uses cafes' 2013-07-26T08:01:46 I continue to wake up daily. 2013-07-26T08:01:48 It could be worse. 2013-07-26T08:01:54 hehe, thats good 2013-07-26T08:02:23 Good to see you. 2013-07-26T08:02:30 I just noticed you here and wanted to say hi. 2013-07-26T08:02:42 I need to get out of here, have a good one :) 2013-07-26T08:02:51 take care sir! good to see ya 2013-07-26T08:46:44 *** rattle has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T08:49:56 *** rattle has quit IRC (Changing host) 2013-07-26T08:49:56 *** rattle has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T08:49:56 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rattle 2013-07-26T09:01:42 *** stowbari has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-07-26T09:07:54 *** psyiode has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-07-26T10:52:40 *** Dolemite has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2013-07-26T11:02:15 *** vaneck has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-07-26T11:10:28 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-07-26T11:12:49 *** vaneck has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T11:41:20 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T11:43:56 *** vaneck has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-07-26T11:44:19 *** vaneck has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T12:03:06 *** ZombieChicken has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-07-26T12:03:46 *** ZombieChicken has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T12:03:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ZombieChicken 2013-07-26T12:12:18 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/26/hacker-death-idUSL1N0FW0HW20130726 2013-07-26T12:12:19 Title: UPDATE 2-Hacker Barnaby Jack dies in San Francisco | Reuters (at www.reuters.com) 2013-07-26T12:49:29 "No details", huh. 2013-07-26T12:49:37 Could anything be more suspicious? 2013-07-26T12:54:37 The details might be embarrassing. 2013-07-26T12:59:56 Infact, I'd venture it's more likely the details are embarrassing rather than suspicious.. 2013-07-26T13:00:30 It's very sad to hear about.. I didn't know him personally, but I most certainly knew of his work and respected it. 2013-07-26T13:42:08 *** jonnyx has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-07-26T13:42:49 *** jonnyx has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T13:58:34 uggh, must stop reading ars discussions on video games, they devolve into discussions which are not relevant, PC memory architecture/OS != embedded architecture/OS 2013-07-26T14:08:53 rattle: the fact that the SF Medical Examiner's Office is even involved is a sign that the death was suspicious. They don't get involved in routine deaths from natural causes. 2013-07-26T14:09:40 "Those deaths that are due to the sequelae of natural disease are not reportable to the Medical Examiner, and the responsible treating physician can properly complete the Death Certificate. However, all deaths in which there is some reason to believe that the death is not due to a natural disease process, is a homicide, suicide, accident or one of the many types of deaths mentioned by law, must be reported to the office." 2013-07-26T14:10:35 They're probably being cagey because there's an open investigation, and they don't want to compromise that investigation. 2013-07-26T14:10:58 Ok, so a suicide or some kind of drunken craziness still figures in, which is my theory. (sadly) 2013-07-26T14:11:00 http://sfgsa.org/index.aspx?page=942 2013-07-26T14:11:01 Title: City and County of San Francisco : Office of the Medical Examiner (at sfgsa.org) 2013-07-26T14:44:16 sasquatc4: computer arch discussions ARE relevant to any discussion, just ask my research lab mates, lol 2013-07-26T14:51:33 RangerZ: lies 2013-07-26T14:52:09 ? 2013-07-26T15:05:07 vagina 2013-07-26T15:05:34 Fuck I hope it's not a suicide. 2013-07-26T15:08:40 probably is 2013-07-26T15:08:56 most cases that come out like this are 2013-07-26T15:10:06 *** jonny_X has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T15:11:28 *** jonnyx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2013-07-26T15:12:10 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-07-26T15:15:46 Honestly 2013-07-26T15:15:58 I can't help but wonder if there was some federal investigation pending against him 2013-07-26T15:17:25 Unlikely. DAs are even bigger ego whores than hackers. If there was an investigation, they would have been trumpeting it all over the place. 2013-07-26T15:18:23 True, true. 2013-07-26T15:18:34 And god that is scary to think about. 2013-07-26T15:20:57 Given who he was, I wouldn't be surprised if he was out drinking, bragging that he could kill a guy with a pacemaker from 30 yards, and someone took it as a threat. 2013-07-26T15:22:37 Or worse, just a random mugging. 2013-07-26T15:23:20 Just because his death was suspicious doesn't mean his death had anything to do with his work. 2013-07-26T15:23:31 * aestetix_ nods 2013-07-26T15:36:18 Corydon76-work: thats a good point sadly we many never know the "real" story of what happened 2013-07-26T15:36:51 Oh, I disagree. We absolutely will know what happened, when the investigation is closed. 2013-07-26T15:37:18 At least, we will know if the investigation is closed successfully and doesn't go cold-case 2013-07-26T15:38:37 It's way, way too early to say that we will never know what happened. If you don't hear anything in 3 months, it's highly likely it's cold case. 2013-07-26T15:39:17 The bigger the entity they're investigating, the longer it will take. I suspect, though, that we'll know something in a week or two. 2013-07-26T15:39:43 lol I am sure there are a few hackers who are Alex Jones fans already coming up with their own ""thoeries" as to how he came to pass. But you are right it is to early to tell.. 2013-07-26T15:40:43 So, I just flew first class for the first time. 2013-07-26T15:40:50 We'll know more by inference the moment his body is released to his family. 2013-07-26T15:41:16 The difference between first class and coach is like going to a fancy restaurant versus being in a herd of cattle 2013-07-26T15:41:17 aestetix_: how was it? never flew first class. 2013-07-26T15:41:21 If the medical examiner still says nothing at that point, then suicide and accident are likely ruled out. 2013-07-26T15:41:48 Rather, suicide is definitely ruled out and accident is likely ruled out 2013-07-26T15:41:49 Corydon76-work: we will have to watch it and see what happens 2013-07-26T15:43:03 It's a great time to employ logic and show that the lack of a statement is a statement, in itself. 2013-07-26T15:44:15 yeah...I have been dealing with L1 web hosting clients all day. Logic has gone out the window for me until tomorrow when I can forget that I dealt with First teir hosting issues 2013-07-26T15:44:55 only some many times I can tell someone front page extesions will not work...as we do not support front page 2013-07-26T15:45:20 NexL: I got that impression that if you wanted to go take a shit, one of the attendants would come in and wipe your ass, followed by a "very good, sir" 2013-07-26T15:46:07 aestetix_: i do not know how I would handle that much fancy, hell I am used to the simple things. Steel Reserve after work and a hang over the next morning 2013-07-26T15:46:21 yeah, I kinda had a similar reaction 2013-07-26T15:46:46 aestetix_: not to say I would not like to try it at least once to say i had been there and done that 2013-07-26T15:50:36 I'm sure I'll get lots of opportunity with that when I'm older, as an invalid in a nursing home. I have no wish to try it sooner. 2013-07-26T15:51:46 Corydon76-work: nor I, I am a big boy and can wipe my own butt, but I would love to fly first class at list once. Make me feel like a big shot, until they check tickets and realize I should be in couch 2013-07-26T15:52:33 of course I am sure my attire would be a clear indication of that. a guy walking in wearing a notacon shirt with a got root hat may be a bit of a indicator 2013-07-26T15:54:28 I don't view what the common carriers consider to be first class worth paying for. If I'm going to fly first class, I either want to be in the cockpit, with my hands controlling the plane, or I want to be on a corporate jet. 2013-07-26T15:54:50 and maybe both 2013-07-26T15:55:31 Plus several thousand dollars worth of flying lessons 2013-07-26T15:55:31 can't argue with that, but no one in there right mind would like me touch the controls....... 2013-07-26T15:56:10 Hell I don't evn let me touch the control of flight simulator...i always have this obsession with making a 474 try and do a barrel roll. 2013-07-26T15:56:14 My understanding is that flying is really easy. Training is necessary for all of the various things that can go wrong. 2013-07-26T15:56:18 747 rather 2013-07-26T15:57:09 and then there's take offs and landings that are slightly more difficult than just flying the thing. 2013-07-26T15:57:25 well i would think taking off would be much much more easier then landing. 2013-07-26T15:58:06 of course one would havw o take into consideration the plane you are operating, size of the strip as well as the power of the engines I would assume, for take off that is 2013-07-26T15:58:16 Not having the experience, I don't know. Certainly, the smoothest landing takes some experience at the controls 2013-07-26T15:58:35 yeah, I would have to agree 2013-07-26T15:59:44 I know enough about it to know that you take off and land into the wind, and that you need a certain airspeed (depending upon the size and weight) to take off. 2013-07-26T16:00:21 see i did not know about the taking off into the wind, landing that is a bit understandable 2013-07-26T16:00:30 Beyond that, there's the knowledge that flight plans are an intrinsic part of ensuring safety for sharing the flightspace. 2013-07-26T16:01:45 I find that understanding why regulations exist are excellent reasons to know why it's important to obey them. 2013-07-26T16:02:41 On a completely different topic, I've dealt with housing codes. The whole reason is safety. If you comply with electrical codes, you will avoid the possibility of a fire. 2013-07-26T16:03:39 That's government regulation at its finest, and any place where I'd be changing electrical wires, I absolutely want to avoid a fire. 2013-07-26T16:05:49 Ooops, I've been ranting. 2013-07-26T16:07:17 How good first class is completely depends on the airline. Business class on a good airline is better than first class on a shitty one. 2013-07-26T16:07:37 All the US airlines are "meh" in my opinion. My favorite is Singapore Airlines. 2013-07-26T16:08:05 Even business class on Singapore is fucking the tits. 2013-07-26T16:09:03 They maintain a 1:6 ratio of staff to passengers in business, 1:2 in first. The food is actually good. You get real silverware, including a knife that actually has an edge. 2013-07-26T16:09:14 The booze is all free, and the selection is vast. 2013-07-26T16:09:52 There is one size dress available to the flight attendants. Part of the job qualification is fitting into the dress. 2013-07-26T16:11:00 I prefer male flight attendants, though, preferably in skin-tight pants. ;-) 2013-07-26T16:12:14 And you can probably request that in first? When you fly first, you can have them pre-prepare the food you want when you book your flight. 2013-07-26T16:12:38 And they have a fairly extensive selection. 2013-07-26T16:13:35 But you're going to pay for that, of course. 2013-07-26T16:14:03 It's all part of the first-class service. And yes, you fucking pay for it, big time. 2013-07-26T16:14:18 Well, unless you can get your company to pay for it. 2013-07-26T16:15:08 At this point in my life, I'm almost good with taking a bus once again. 2013-07-26T16:16:33 Not great for international travel, but it's cheap, and it'll get you there reliably 2013-07-26T16:17:06 and if something goes terribly wrong, I'll still be alive afterwards. 2013-07-26T16:17:10 http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/flying-with-us/first-listing/newfirstclass/ 2013-07-26T16:17:19 Title: First Class (at www.singaporeair.com) 2013-07-26T16:18:14 That's completely insane. 2013-07-26T16:19:11 http://www.singaporeair.com/en_UK/flying-with-us/singaporegirl/ 2013-07-26T16:19:19 Title: Singapore Girl - You're a Great Way To Fly (at www.singaporeair.com) 2013-07-26T16:19:52 rattle: that looks more like an apartment with wings 2013-07-26T16:20:01 Dude, it's insane. 2013-07-26T16:20:01 s/apartment/condo/ 2013-07-26T16:20:06 sooo...any world-weary programmers have advice for young fledgling college grads? Just got my first job offer with great compensation...like amazing. But it's contract-to-hire for 6 months & then a 20k pay jump & permanaent role 2013-07-26T16:20:43 frsilent: is it through a contractor who is not the employer? 2013-07-26T16:20:58 aestetix_: no I would be working with a team of ~6 2013-07-26T16:21:06 startup funded by some rich people 2013-07-26T16:21:11 ohhhhh 2013-07-26T16:21:24 http://us.menupad.com/ 2013-07-26T16:21:25 Title: MenuPad United States (at us.menupad.com) 2013-07-26T16:21:31 frsilent: remember that job loyalty is not rewarded in our culture anymore. 2013-07-26T16:22:10 Corydon76-work: you mean I'm rightfully worried about maybe not having a job in 6 months time? 2013-07-26T16:22:13 If you get a better offer, take it 2013-07-26T16:22:14 Remember the first 5 years of your career are solely about getting experience. That's it. Good experience. Learning everything you can't be fought in a classroom. 2013-07-26T16:22:31 Next five years is about getting developing instinct. 2013-07-26T16:22:34 Then you get the money. 2013-07-26T16:22:59 rattle: yeah that's kind of what I was thinking but this job would definitely be something to go on a resume; like a lot of freedom for a junior developer 2013-07-26T16:23:16 freedom for a junior developer == working insane hours 2013-07-26T16:23:26 =( 2013-07-26T16:23:26 which might not be a bad thing for you 2013-07-26T16:23:51 A risky career is a financially rewarding career. Playing it safe means you'll retire on a 5-figure salary. 2013-07-26T16:23:51 yeah, I'm still pretty young & excited about code so I figured taking a risk while I was starting out wouldn't be so bad 2013-07-26T16:23:52 which is why I've settled into a role right now where I work about 30 minutes a day, and everyone else works 10 hours a day :p 2013-07-26T16:24:24 I had a mentor way back when who told me it was important to remember that until I had been practicing for ten years, I didn't know shit. It took until about 7 years in, that I realized he was right. I wish I listened at the time, and I would have escaped the prima donna phase of my career. 2013-07-26T16:24:31 Rattle has had his career ups and downs, with far more risks than I've been willing to take. As a result, Rattle is paid more than I am, despite being younger. 2013-07-26T16:24:35 rattle: sounds about right 2013-07-26T16:24:53 It also depends on where you focus passions. 2013-07-26T16:25:03 I was taught specifically to keep passion and work separated. 2013-07-26T16:25:42 However, I also haven't been to the office in weeks. 2013-07-26T16:25:52 Corydon76-work: yep 2013-07-26T16:26:15 I disagree with that. I think it's important to be passionate about your work. Something has to keep you going. 2013-07-26T16:26:15 Of course, work/life separation has always been something I've had issues with. :) 2013-07-26T16:26:20 And I also work in a location with a lower cost of living. 2013-07-26T16:26:38 rattle: that's useful until you're stuck working for a company or a manager that is NOT passionate about your work 2013-07-26T16:26:49 There's a big one. When you're offered a better job with more money in a different area, ALWAYS check cost of living. 2013-07-26T16:27:15 Because more money could wind up being a pay cut, if you don't watch it. 2013-07-26T16:28:14 also, fuck equity 2013-07-26T16:28:24 Or at least, don't depend on equity. 2013-07-26T16:28:29 right 2013-07-26T16:28:42 Depends upon the type of equity 2013-07-26T16:28:52 It's not helpful to have stock options for companies that no longer exist. 2013-07-26T16:29:02 Equity is good, very good. That's the only way you're ever going to become a millionaire working as an engineer.. But don't count on it, and don't make decisions solely based on it. 2013-07-26T16:29:28 And that's coming from someone who's gone from being a millionaire on paper to homeless in two months. 2013-07-26T16:29:41 Yeah, don't make assumptions on what the stock market will do. The stock market is inherently irrational. It only works in the abstract, not in the specific. 2013-07-26T16:30:27 hm 2013-07-26T16:30:37 rattle: fwiw, I think everyone has to go through the prima donna phase 2013-07-26T16:30:43 I know I'll have stock options but I think it will be successful 2013-07-26T16:31:00 funder of the project is well-known 2013-07-26T16:31:13 I've been at a company with excellent fundamentals whose stock price plummeted from $10/sh to $2/sh in a year, for no other reason than a bunch of assholes deciding to plow an airplane into a building. 2013-07-26T16:31:19 aestetix_: Some people fall into the trap more than others.. 2013-07-26T16:31:20 at least in the area, founder of Outback Steakhouse 2013-07-26T16:31:54 Stock options mean nothing if you can't live month to month 2013-07-26T16:32:36 rattle: also, the separation has helped me to deal with the stress when things break 2013-07-26T16:33:01 Stock is intended to motivate you over the long term, and the appropriate amount of long term is longer than 3-5 years. Anything shorter than that, and you're fooling yourself. 2013-07-26T16:33:01 If a company has an equity plan, I'd always aggressively negotiate for a good allocation.. But never at the cost of base salary. That's just dumb. 2013-07-26T16:33:11 "Is this going to cost the company money? No? Well, then, fuck it." 2013-07-26T16:33:49 lol 2013-07-26T16:34:08 Or maybe I've gotten jaded :p 2013-07-26T16:34:18 thanks a ton guys, now I just wish this douche would hurry up & email me the details 2013-07-26T16:34:30 aestetix_: I'm so used to being on 24/7 call at some level of escalation or another that I don't even think about it anymore. For me, it's all about how much shit is actually hitting me after hours and on the weekend rather than if I'm on the hook or not. 2013-07-26T16:34:32 frsilent: it's worth asking to see the capsheet 2013-07-26T16:34:33 On your job offer? 2013-07-26T16:34:50 You won't get anything in writing until you accept the offer 2013-07-26T16:35:26 Remember, you're under no obligation to take the job when you "accept" the offer. It's another advance in bullshittery 2013-07-26T16:35:36 And _never_ put in notice at a job without having an offer letter. 2013-07-26T16:35:50 rattle: yep! 2013-07-26T16:35:55 Yep 2013-07-26T16:36:00 rattle: an ex worker recently did that 2013-07-26T16:36:18 Thankfully he wound up getting another offer about two weeks later 2013-07-26T16:36:42 Not only did he put notice, but he went around bragging to everyone about how he was "escaping" 2013-07-26T16:37:07 Yeah. Not smart. 2013-07-26T16:37:44 I think it's very important to leave a place in a respectful manor, even if it's a shithole and you are escaping. It's just good form. 2013-07-26T16:38:12 yep 2013-07-26T16:38:51 "Don't burn your bridges" 2013-07-26T16:39:40 ALSO 2013-07-26T16:39:51 Also, if HR ever tells you you're on "probation", that's legal talk for informing you that it's time to start looking for another job in earnest 2013-07-26T16:40:12 if your day job requires you to work on the linux kernel, do not join the lkml and scold Linus for bad language 2013-07-26T16:40:18 hrm 2013-07-26T16:41:07 I hated my last job but got this one from my boss recommending me to his brother & friend who are both devs there 2013-07-26T16:41:12 so I hear you guys on the bridges 2013-07-26T16:41:50 Over my entire career, I've only had one job that didn't come through some kind of personal connection, and it was during the height of the dot-com boom. 2013-07-26T16:42:01 Yep, you never know when a future employer may be listening, and if you bad talk an old employer, that's the impression they're left with as to how you leave a company 2013-07-26T16:42:03 heh 2013-07-26T16:42:08 my last 3-4 jobs I got through irc 2013-07-26T16:42:13 despite my being on irc 2013-07-26T16:42:23 lol 2013-07-26T16:42:25 also, vagina 2013-07-26T16:42:49 I try to be as diplomatic as possible 2013-07-26T16:42:50 aestetix_: Yes, yes, yes. We all know you are a cunt. 2013-07-26T16:43:43 I was laid off from my last job, and my boss convinced my current place to give me an offer 2013-07-26T16:43:55 Boss at the old job, that is 2013-07-26T16:44:03 Also, do not sleep with coworkeres 2013-07-26T16:44:21 Or if you do, make sure they are expendible. 2013-07-26T16:44:39 Becoming a master of office politics and controlling narratives is a mandatory prereq for success in management. Even in environments that aren't particularly bureaucratic. 2013-07-26T16:44:54 rattle: soemone once gave me good advice 2013-07-26T16:44:56 Sleeping with coworkers is fine, as long as a) there's no possibility of drama, and b) there's no possibility of either of you being put in a supervisory position over the other. 2013-07-26T16:45:08 "If you want to learn how offices work, watch 16 year old girls. Same fucking dynamics" 2013-07-26T16:45:56 Not holding grudges is important. Eventually everyone gets screwed. 2013-07-26T16:46:10 I slept with a female coworker at one of my previous jobs. There was never a problem. 2013-07-26T16:46:32 Corydon76-work: I didn't know you slept with women 2013-07-26T16:46:53 I've always been bi, but I have a preference for men. 2013-07-26T16:47:46 Mostly because it's a hell of a lot easier to get them into bed, and it's far less likely to be a problem when you aren't sleeping with them anymore. 2013-07-26T16:47:49 I don't see a problem with it unless the people are in each other's chain of command. 2013-07-26T16:48:08 Like, if a programmer is fucking someone in sales, not an issue. 2013-07-26T16:48:27 But if someone is sleeping with someone who works for them, it's bad. 2013-07-26T16:48:59 For senior management/execs, screwing someone in the office is basically bad in all cases. 2013-07-26T16:49:20 I've never seen that work out well. The more senior person always winds up having to leave the company. 2013-07-26T16:49:33 yep 2013-07-26T16:49:35 Or if you advance to director of software development, and you were previously sleeping with a coworker who is now under you, that has the possiblity of causing problems 2013-07-26T16:49:42 That recently happend with Keith Rabois at Square, actually 2013-07-26T16:50:24 Corydon76-work: HR generally will not allow that situation to occur. Sleeping with a coworker in the same group basically means no advancement within the company.. 2013-07-26T16:51:14 Or if it does, the coworker is transferred laterally so they're no longer under you 2013-07-26T16:52:13 Oh yeah, here's an important one.. If you absolutely positively must tell someone to go fuck themselves (or other occasionally mandatory attitude readjustment actions that require the usage of frank language), do it in person. Never in email. 2013-07-26T16:52:41 Another reason to be diplomatic. 2013-07-26T16:52:43 Unless you're Linus Torvalds. 2013-07-26T16:53:23 and especially never in email that is publically archived. 2013-07-26T16:54:02 Like the IDESG quotes about online identity I will be putting in my OHM talk 2013-07-26T16:54:11 which is another lesson: never piss off the guy with the mic 2013-07-26T16:54:28 You'd think that would be straightforward. 2013-07-26T16:55:11 Oooh, here's my lesson. Even if you've been over the same story, same basic issue that you've examined 10 times already and determined to be user idiocy, always examine a reported issue and try it out before labeling the user an idiot, because crow is not very tasty. 2013-07-26T16:56:06 Now I'm remembering a company I used to work for where the CEO was arrested for rape. That was fun. 2013-07-26T16:56:28 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T16:56:50 aestetix_: random rape or rape of someone under him? 2013-07-26T16:57:00 He raped an employee 2013-07-26T16:57:11 Lead to all kinds of drama. 2013-07-26T16:58:45 huh? 2013-07-26T16:58:53 the sac. mayor? 2013-07-26T16:59:00 nope 2013-07-26T16:59:04 sacramento* 2013-07-26T16:59:13 frsilent: Find a mentor where you work. A good mentor can be extremely valuable. I wish I took advantage of good opportunities I had in that regard when I was younger, but I was fairly confident I knew everything. :) 2013-07-26T16:59:15 Tips for a guy directly out of school 2013-07-26T16:59:30 Yes, don't rape anyone. 2013-07-26T17:00:26 So much about being successful as an engineer has to do with working with people. As nice as it would be if it was all about technical skills, it's not. Someone who's worked for 10+ years has learned many hard lessons in that regard that are very hard to learn in any way other than getting good advice, and having a good sounding board. 2013-07-26T17:01:16 And anyone who is worthy of mentoring, should find it an honor to do so. 2013-07-26T17:02:23 Early in a career, you need a mentor. Later in a career, you just need a person who's safe to "vent" with. :) 2013-07-26T17:04:44 I find that venting here is fine, as long as you aren't too specific with information that could prove embarrassing later 2013-07-26T17:04:44 I can't wait to get to BH/DC. 2013-07-26T17:05:08 See: "be diplomatic" 2013-07-26T17:05:46 Anyone here going to BH/DC this year? 2013-07-26T17:08:10 Latest from the San Jose Mercury: "Barnaby Jack died on Thursday, although the cause of death is still under investigation, San Francisco Deputy Coroner Kris Barbrich said." 2013-07-26T17:08:19 2016 is likely the first year I'd be able to go to anything like that 2013-07-26T17:08:35 rattle: that's one of the reasons I'm hesitant about this job; another place I interviewed with said they're holding on hires for at least a month (gov contract) 2013-07-26T17:08:59 but he was like...one of those guys that would explain things thoroughly when I answered wrong or inaccurately in the interview 2013-07-26T17:09:03 frsilent: take the job. You can leave in a month if necessary 2013-07-26T17:09:13 Corydon76-work: yeah, thinking the same =D 2013-07-26T17:09:43 Just don't make it a habit of leaving after a month. You should always take a job with the intent of staying at least a year or for whatever the contract term is, if shorter. 2013-07-26T17:09:56 The good thing about contract positions is there's nothing about about only being at one for a few months. Staff positions, you really gotta stay for a minimum of a year or it looks really bad. 2013-07-26T17:10:51 But if you contract for six months, you really want to stay six months unless there is a really compelling reason not to. 2013-07-26T17:10:54 Worst thing that can happen to you is being labeled a job hopper. 2013-07-26T17:11:03 No matter which way you swing it, you generally get shit on for about two years. 2013-07-26T17:11:22 After having a good solid five years of experience, things start to open up. 2013-07-26T17:11:41 The idea is two jobs over the course of five years. Each for at least a year.. 2013-07-26T17:11:46 That looks best on a resume. 2013-07-26T17:13:12 rattle: yeah I've heard similar from a lot of resources 2013-07-26T17:13:34 I got hit with the job hopper thing because I did a series of rapid jobs because of a combination of company failures, buyouts, etc.. 2013-07-26T17:14:45 My career has been weird and unrepeatable. A good guideline, is don't do anything I did before 2007 or so. 2013-07-26T17:16:16 rattle: I don't know; I think doing what you did, which was to take risks and jump at opportunities BEFORE you were anchored with a wife, a baby, and a house was a good thing. 2013-07-26T17:16:48 You certainly would not be where you are now were it not for all that experience 2013-07-26T17:18:56 oh what the fuck, ads in my gmail now? 2013-07-26T17:18:56 gay 2013-07-26T17:18:56 I want my free stuff without ads 2013-07-26T17:18:56 True to a degree. I think the only real mistake I made, wasn't going immediately back to school in 2001-2 when it was clear my career was in ruins after the dot-com collapse. 2013-07-26T17:18:56 frsilent: yeah, in a corporate job, don't use words like "gay" as pejoratives. You'll get an unscheduled appointment with HR when you do that. 2013-07-26T17:18:56 ++++ ^^^ tgat 2013-07-26T17:18:57 Corydon76-work: I understand 2013-07-26T17:18:57 ++++ ^^^ that rather 2013-07-26T17:19:06 I did 6 years with the Marines before school so can temper myself for the most part 2013-07-26T17:19:28 but still...ads in my gmail 2013-07-26T17:19:32 :( 2013-07-26T17:19:39 You'll learn to ignore them in time 2013-07-26T17:20:02 frsilent: MOS? 2013-07-26T17:20:10 0321 2013-07-26T17:20:49 That's recon, right? 2013-07-26T17:21:14 yeah for my primary 2013-07-26T17:21:42 had a secondary of 2311 & some random ones 2013-07-26T17:22:37 E-3, E-4? 2013-07-26T17:23:36 E-5 2013-07-26T17:24:17 Alright sarge... 2013-07-26T17:24:34 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2013-07-26T17:28:23 I got out in 2011, doesn't seem that long though 2013-07-26T17:29:16 Where were you stationed? 2013-07-26T17:29:33 I was with 4th recon bn in smyrna, ga 2013-07-26T17:29:40 deployed with 3rd force out of mobile 2013-07-26T17:31:45 3rd force, so that means you served in Iraq, correct? 2013-07-26T17:32:19 no 2013-07-26T17:32:35 el stan 2013-07-26T17:33:10