2013-07-15T00:07:33 hrmm. the other countries in civ don't get all irrate with you anymore when you nuke another country. weird 2013-07-15T00:16:11 civ 5? 2013-07-15T00:16:33 did they get rid of the bad DRM that was going to be on it... 2013-07-15T00:18:19 It's got horrid drm. the worst, imo. steam. 2013-07-15T00:19:00 http://store.steampowered.com/app/200710/ That's a nice deal. $5 2013-07-15T00:19:02 Title: Save 75% on Torchlight II on Steam (at store.steampowered.com) 2013-07-15T00:19:04 steam itself is DRM, but each game can have its OWN one 2013-07-15T00:19:14 yeah I voted on that one this morning 2013-07-15T00:19:58 $15 for the 4 pack is nice. I should get that and give them away as PN prizes 2013-07-15T00:20:11 yeah 2013-07-15T00:21:23 *** oddball has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T00:24:46 *** stowbari has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-07-15T00:39:26 i couldnt bring myself to vote for torchlight2, that thing is always cheap as hell, besides its gonna be 75% off later anyway so there was no point 2013-07-15T00:39:36 at least system shock2 won the previous, just barely 2013-07-15T00:41:30 poopadoop 2013-07-15T00:45:21 stupid steam. won't let me buy the four pack cause I already own it 2013-07-15T00:59:52 You should be able to purchase it as a gift still 2013-07-15T01:03:24 nope. just went through their faq. 4 packs give you one, mandatory, and three to share 2013-07-15T01:04:05 bummer 2013-07-15T01:31:11 let the stupid questions begin 2013-07-15T01:55:54 speaking of stupid 2013-07-15T01:55:58 fucking occupy oakland 2013-07-15T01:58:18 I wanna say oddball or rangerz linked that this morning in reference to you 2013-07-15T02:03:22 eh? 2013-07-15T02:04:35 the rioting in oakland 2013-07-15T02:04:52 it's a bunch of young white kids in bandanas smashing windows, using as their excuse the murder of a black kid in florida 2013-07-15T02:05:20 It's a rather simple formula. Some injustice happens anywhere in the world, they use it as an excuse to cause damage. 2013-07-15T02:05:30 did they know they were in oakland? were they lost? 2013-07-15T02:05:32 What's Occupy got to do with it? 2013-07-15T02:05:42 Dagmar: it's all the same kinds from occupy 2013-07-15T02:06:11 s/kinds/kids/ 2013-07-15T02:06:28 i'm still confused on this white kids in oakland. 2013-07-15T02:06:53 oh lol 2013-07-15T02:07:01 because oakland is the cool place to live now 2013-07-15T02:07:21 gonna stick with a big fat nope on that 2013-07-15T02:08:01 I'm not seeing any connection to Occupy tho 2013-07-15T02:08:50 Dagmar: it's the same crowd that created occupy oakland 2013-07-15T02:11:21 damn south koreans. you drop a couple of nukes on their capital city and how do they repay you? by trying to sink your carriers with a stealth bomber. the nerve 2013-07-15T02:56:36 penis 2013-07-15T03:40:39 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T03:41:37 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2013-07-15T03:50:06 heh 2013-07-15T03:50:06 I've been trying to get ahold of my friend for days, he's sucking at replying 2013-07-15T03:50:13 so I just wrote a cron job that will send him an email once an hour until I disable it 2013-07-15T03:52:08 *** northrup has quit IRC (Quit: northrup) 2013-07-15T03:53:50 am I losing my mind or is it redundant to check if a db insert is going to fail for a conflict rather than just try the insert and return the fail from there? 2013-07-15T05:02:15 *** RangerZ1 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T05:03:06 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-07-15T05:51:11 aestetix: from a friend of mine that lives near oakland 2013-07-15T05:51:20 one of these things is not like the others... http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/1000076_10201785854634729_1262560079_n.jpg 2013-07-15T05:52:15 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FClGhto1vIg&t=11 2013-07-15T05:52:16 Title: Sesame Street - One of these things - Circles - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2013-07-15T05:56:29 awww hell. I just noticed facebook has changed the header bar again 2013-07-15T05:59:33 mongo has left the building, start your timers and place your bets 2013-07-15T06:00:51 I'll take trips and fatally falls down the stairs for $500, Alex. 2013-07-15T06:04:21 I think I just found an age old sql error that's never been caught because the function hasn't ever been used 2013-07-15T06:07:31 this is missing a closing ) right? 2013-07-15T06:07:32 $sql="INSERT INTO fac_PanelSchedule VALUES($int_a, $int_b, 2013-07-15T06:07:33 $int_c, \"$string\" ON DUPLICATE KEY UPDATE fac_PanelSchedule 2013-07-15T06:07:33 SET NumPoles=$int, Label=\"$string\" WHERE 2013-07-15T06:07:33 PanelID=$int_b AND PolePosition=$int_c;"; 2013-07-15T06:09:13 it should be before ON wouldn't it? guess I need to test 2013-07-15T07:01:04 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T07:01:07 and mongo returns 2013-07-15T07:21:42 I'm sorry. 2013-07-15T07:25:01 as am I. nature has failed me 2013-07-15T07:37:27 *** Dolemite has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T07:37:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dolemite 2013-07-15T07:37:29 mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 2013-07-15T07:38:08 NO! 2013-07-15T07:39:27 DOH! 2013-07-15T07:39:28 Well, sadly, it is. 2013-07-15T07:40:03 https://github.com/samilliken/openDCIM/commit/848298d9965244f1f745d90bc2713e433c66fd76 2013-07-15T07:40:31 forgot I was working with the logbook earlier and had to addin my extra functions 2013-07-15T07:44:46 *** moj0e has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T07:57:58 wilpig: Nature has failed us all. 2013-07-15T08:05:32 oh, found an even better solution for the wiring on the tv 2013-07-15T08:10:15 *** stowbari has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-07-15T08:17:08 behind the mantle there is a pipe the original owner installed that runs behind the fireplace for media wires, dad was able to spot it when he came over to visit 2013-07-15T08:23:41 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T08:26:35 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-07-15T08:53:39 *** rattle has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-07-15T09:00:41 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T09:02:19 *** rattle has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T09:02:19 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rattle 2013-07-15T09:02:36 *** moj0e has quit IRC (Quit: moj0e) 2013-07-15T09:20:05 *** rattle has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-07-15T09:28:07 *** moj0e has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T09:34:28 *** moj0e has quit IRC (Quit: moj0e) 2013-07-15T09:38:26 wilpig: dood I look at that code and it makes my inner security freak cry. I know you are sanitizing it, but augh. :p 2013-07-15T10:11:09 *** rattle has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T10:11:09 *** rattle has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T10:11:09 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rattle 2013-07-15T10:11:09 *** rattle has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2013-07-15T10:11:20 *** rattle has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T10:11:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rattle 2013-07-15T10:16:08 *** v4mp has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T10:22:27 *** RangerZ1 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T10:22:38 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2013-07-15T10:44:03 *** K4k has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T10:59:19 *** sasquatc4 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2013-07-15T10:59:44 *** sasquatc4 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T10:59:44 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sasquatc4 2013-07-15T11:06:41 *** sasquatc4 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2013-07-15T11:07:11 *** sasquatc4 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T11:07:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sasquatc4 2013-07-15T11:10:08 *** ZC|Mobile has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T11:10:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ZC|Mobile 2013-07-15T11:11:05 *** x86Daddy has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T11:26:10 *** ZC|Mobile has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-07-15T11:39:59 *** Synx|hm_ has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T11:39:59 *** sasquatc4 has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2013-07-15T11:41:04 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T11:42:25 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-07-15T11:42:28 *** K4k has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.1) 2013-07-15T11:42:38 *** Synx|hm has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2013-07-15T11:55:43 holy smokes 2013-07-15T11:55:56 just totally killed asterisk 2013-07-15T11:57:57 *** Synx|hm_ is now known as Synx|hm 2013-07-15T11:58:09 doesnt like over 335 TLS connections 2013-07-15T11:58:55 I suspect you ran out of memory or something like that 2013-07-15T11:59:03 tcptls.c:299 ast_tcptls_server_root: Accept failed: Too many open files 2013-07-15T11:59:16 Ah, too many open files, that'll do it, too 2013-07-15T11:59:22 file descriptor limit? 2013-07-15T11:59:29 Read your ulimit manpage 2013-07-15T11:59:49 thanks 2013-07-15T11:59:49 Max open files defaults to 1024 on all Unix systems 2013-07-15T12:00:24 I'd suggest 32768, but make sure that your kernel will support that many (sysctl) 2013-07-15T12:00:43 just ran ulimit and it says unlimited but i need to read the manpage to understand exactly how it works 2013-07-15T12:01:00 The limit is per process 2013-07-15T12:01:12 You have to set that limit before you start Asterisk 2013-07-15T12:01:23 So, in the init script, if possible 2013-07-15T12:01:35 *** sasquatc4 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T12:01:35 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sasquatc4 2013-07-15T12:02:22 yup i see now 1024 ok ill research how to set this in ubuntu 2013-07-15T12:02:23 thanks 2013-07-15T12:02:43 ulimit -n 32768 2013-07-15T12:03:03 but you have to be root to increase it 2013-07-15T12:03:36 odd i cant sudo it 2013-07-15T12:03:57 and i cant su to root in ubuntu have to sudo everything as far as i know 2013-07-15T12:04:39 ill add that ulimit to the startup script and see if that works 2013-07-15T12:08:55 ok let see if this worked :) 2013-07-15T12:09:15 *** K4k has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T12:09:45 *** moj0e has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T12:09:53 Synx|hm: sudo su - 2013-07-15T12:10:25 oh 2013-07-15T12:10:26 ha 2013-07-15T12:10:37 sudo gets you root, and su from root doesn't need a password 2013-07-15T12:11:00 use it wisely though 2013-07-15T12:11:20 :) 2013-07-15T12:13:26 Corydon76-home: new error 2013-07-15T12:13:28 chan_sip.c:2503 sip_threadinfo_create: Could not create sip alert pipe in tcptls thread, error Too many open files 2013-07-15T12:14:28 didn't hard crash asterisk this time though 2013-07-15T12:15:56 Same basic error 2013-07-15T12:16:00 ya 2013-07-15T12:16:08 wonder if that thread is running as a different user 2013-07-15T12:16:13 *** moj0e has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-07-15T12:16:14 i upped the limit only for root 2013-07-15T12:16:31 That's why I said you should set it in your init script? 2013-07-15T12:16:44 well asterisk is running as root iirc 2013-07-15T12:16:45 Or in a file that is sourced from that init script 2013-07-15T12:16:51 i just set it system wide right now as a test 2013-07-15T12:17:02 Doesn't matter. It's set per process, not per user 2013-07-15T12:17:36 Users have defaults, but the process inherits whatever limit from its parent 2013-07-15T12:17:39 doesn't it get set when you start the process based on the user settings though right 2013-07-15T12:17:54 No, that's only a login setting 2013-07-15T12:18:05 oh 2013-07-15T12:18:08 When you start an init script, there's no login that is done 2013-07-15T12:18:51 quit 2013-07-15T12:18:52 err 2013-07-15T12:19:01 True, if you start an init script after the fact, that's how it occurs, but if you do a restart, it depends upon how the restart is done 2013-07-15T12:19:13 got ya 2013-07-15T12:19:20 ok ill have to add it to the init script then i guess 2013-07-15T12:19:40 If the restart is done with a signal to the process, then it won't change that setting. If the restart is done with a stop, then a start, then it will inherit the environment of the user invoking the init script 2013-07-15T12:19:41 oh man i just fucked bash too haha xmalloc crash 2013-07-15T12:20:58 *** x86Daddy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2013-07-15T12:21:03 might be a good idea to get on vsphere and see if im having mem issues too 2013-07-15T12:21:04 Critch: my boss has gotten me out of the habit of using "sudo su -" and instead just using sudo in front of any command I need to run as root. It means every privileged operation goes into the log 2013-07-15T12:21:23 Hence, more auditable 2013-07-15T12:22:29 Corydon76-home: yup ok so sudo service asterisk restart caused it to inherit the ulimit and now its working 2013-07-15T12:23:17 Good news 2013-07-15T12:23:29 now i need to add it to the init script and i should be good to go 2013-07-15T12:23:34 going to up the ram on this vm too while im here 2013-07-15T12:24:05 *** RangerZ1 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T12:25:08 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2013-07-15T12:25:10 Corydon76-home: hence the comment about use it wisely 2013-07-15T12:27:00 vagina 2013-07-15T12:36:06 time to get serious 2013-07-15T12:36:15 500 SIP TLS/SRPT calls going through asterisk 2013-07-15T12:36:16 here we go 2013-07-15T12:36:21 at the same time 2013-07-15T12:40:10 opps 2013-07-15T12:40:18 wrong phone number fuck haha 2013-07-15T12:46:04 ha just killed my call generator with that 2013-07-15T12:46:11 100% cpu and mem 2013-07-15T12:47:56 Someone's phone is officially "blowed up" then 2013-07-15T12:48:09 ya haha 2013-07-15T12:48:18 500 calls to the same number would probably murder any normal ACD 2013-07-15T12:49:45 ya im only doing local hairpin testing off asterisk thank god 2013-07-15T12:50:01 id hate to opps that out a sip trunk and have to pay for the opps 2013-07-15T12:58:31 Cool. I'm going to see one of my ex gf's tomorrow night 2013-07-15T12:58:53 Considering she's 6"1' I'm half wondering if I should accidentally let slip to Opheria about that 2013-07-15T12:58:54 heheh 2013-07-15T13:12:40 is she hot? 2013-07-15T13:14:33 Maybe. She used to be real hot but she's what I'd expect from a 40+ woman now 2013-07-15T13:14:47 why is hackaday for sale? 2013-07-15T13:14:50 She's almost certain to ask me where I've been feeding on virgins. 2013-07-15T13:15:02 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T13:15:11 Dagmar: you've been hanging out with Elonka, duh. 2013-07-15T13:15:21 huh? 2013-07-15T13:15:29 aestetix: Dagmar: http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/ we might have a new winner in the low power sub 100$ cost battle 2013-07-15T13:15:30 Title: $99 ARM-based PC runs either Ubuntu or Android | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) 2013-07-15T13:15:39 dual ethernet ports on it already 2013-07-15T13:15:52 hey when does the dragoncon 2013 schedule get released 2013-07-15T13:15:55 I wanna know when my talk is 2013-07-15T13:16:02 nevermind, just found it 2013-07-15T13:16:08 aestetix: you got cancelled 2013-07-15T13:16:11 aestetix: What' Elonka got to do with anything 2013-07-15T13:16:23 *** oddball has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2013-07-15T13:16:50 oh wow 2013-07-15T13:16:58 dragoncon actualy has a fairly impressive lineup 2013-07-15T13:17:05 Dagmar: the blood of virgins :p 2013-07-15T13:17:53 http://eff.dragoncon.org/2013-schedule/ 2013-07-15T13:18:11 RangerZ: dual eth and dual hdmi 2013-07-15T13:18:18 *** oddball has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T13:18:47 who is K`Tetch 2013-07-15T13:19:38 brimstone: nice catch, i overlooked that at first 2013-07-15T13:28:59 Completely unheard of wireless chipset so... GOOD LUCK with that 2013-07-15T13:41:53 *** RangerZ2 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T13:43:17 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2013-07-15T13:48:14 *** v4mp has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-07-15T13:53:17 *** x86Daddy has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T13:54:08 *** Dolemite has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2013-07-15T14:26:57 I just got a call from a fake loan office... they put up a bunch of websites and are trying to scam people. 2013-07-15T14:27:01 www.goloanz.com 2013-07-15T14:29:04 there's a company here that's doing the check loan with insane interest rates here 2013-07-15T14:29:09 -here 2013-07-15T14:29:14 (in huntsville) 2013-07-15T14:29:53 I get angry every time I get one of their mailings 2013-07-15T14:30:45 Dude, that's basically _all_ those places. 2013-07-15T14:30:49 Like, every single one. 2013-07-15T14:31:07 national college is like... fucking scam IMHO 2013-07-15T14:31:23 It's a given you're not going to be using those unless you both a) have no other options and no credit and b) not enough money to sue when they fuck you over. 2013-07-15T14:31:27 i was 'literally' in my last month at YSU... and they sent me a 'come get a degree' crap 2013-07-15T14:32:37 opticron: It was a title loan place literally two miles down the street that I went into eyes blazing about five years ago because some bitch had gotten into my car, and since there wasn't anything of immediate value in it, decided to steal the title and registration from my glove box. 2013-07-15T14:32:55 whoa 2013-07-15T14:33:11 opticron: I could have shot fire from my damn eyes when I got a call from a collector claiming a defaulted loan on my own fucking completely-paid-for beater car. 2013-07-15T14:33:12 that's fucked up 2013-07-15T14:33:25 first of all... are you suppose to carry your title in the car in TN? 2013-07-15T14:33:46 or just bad timing? 2013-07-15T14:34:04 RangerZ: You're not required to, but it's not forbidden either 2013-07-15T14:35:17 opticron: The office manager wanted to give me a bunch of bullshit about "we have signed paperwork" and so on, and I simply made it very clear that either the problem be disposed of _immediately_ and my title returned to me or my next stop would be the police to talk about recieving stolen goods and fraud. 2013-07-15T14:35:55 They absolutely did not check shit properly. 2013-07-15T14:35:56 this isn't an actual loan office 2013-07-15T14:36:06 This whole company is a scam 2013-07-15T14:36:12 yeah we got that 2013-07-15T14:36:27 It's not particularly different from any other "quick loan" office 2013-07-15T14:37:07 it's a little different... the quick loan office has to actual register with the state as a real company 2013-07-15T14:38:02 There is an actual trail if you want to go after them... this place is not, the "parent company" is "United Leadgen LLC" and it doesn't exist in any state 2013-07-15T14:40:45 I imagine the FTC would be very interested in hearing about those people 2013-07-15T14:55:57 Corydon76-home: ive now run out of ports haha 2013-07-15T14:59:56 Depending upon what you mean by 'run out of ports', you might need to use a larger range in /etc/asterisk/rtp.conf 2013-07-15T15:00:22 *** RangerZ1 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T15:00:32 The default of 10000-20000 is enough for 5000 streams 2013-07-15T15:01:21 Two ports are used for each media stream, because each direction uses a separate port 2013-07-15T15:01:23 *** RangerZ2 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-07-15T15:02:55 Corydon76-home: ya im only doing 500 concurrent calls so i should in theory only need 1000 ports 2013-07-15T15:03:10 does asterisk free up ports right after call disconnect? 2013-07-15T15:03:49 about 20min into a 500 concurrent call (redial every 7 seconds or so) i started getting res_rtp_asterisk.c:1760 ast_rtp_new: Oh dear... we couldn't allocate a port for RTP instance '0x637110b8' 2013-07-15T15:03:53 No, it's typically 32 seconds that it needs to wait before reusing ports 2013-07-15T15:03:56 then failed authentications 2013-07-15T15:04:07 and rejecting secure audio stream without encryption errors 2013-07-15T15:04:41 ahh so im guessing thats the issue then, port usage will continue to grow at my calls per second rate 2013-07-15T15:04:46 32 seconds is based upon the T1 timeout which defaults to 500ms 2013-07-15T15:04:48 im doing around 10-15 CPS 2013-07-15T15:05:31 And this is all off the top of my head; I'd need to look at the source to know for sure 2013-07-15T15:06:31 handle_tcptls_connection: FILE * open failed! 2013-07-15T15:06:39 yikes something else is going on here maybe? 2013-07-15T15:06:41 The minimum time to elapse is 64 times the T1 timeout, to ensure that packets from a previous call cannot be received on a new call 2013-07-15T15:07:27 TCP is also a different beast. I think TCP requires something like 2 minutes before a port is reused 2013-07-15T15:07:37 Probably longer 2013-07-15T15:07:54 hrm something is broken for sure here 2013-07-15T15:08:05 ill give this a few min to cool down and try and place some more calls 2013-07-15T15:08:24 The FILE * open is based upon fdopen with a socket. 2013-07-15T15:08:33 ahh 2013-07-15T15:08:48 So if the socket failed to open, then the FILE * would also fail 2013-07-15T15:09:51 ive got 5000 ports for RTP btw 2013-07-15T15:27:38 Corydon76-home: Generally you just set SO_REUSE when you bind the socket if you want to get around that 2013-07-15T15:28:08 If a socket fails to open and you didn't check for error, then fuck your code right in it's eyes 2013-07-15T15:28:16 omg so much hate for that 2013-07-15T15:28:20 Dagmar: that code is buried deep within openssl 2013-07-15T15:28:41 It's not Asterisk which is responsible for allocating the socket directly 2013-07-15T15:29:52 Or at least, I don't think it is. I'm relying upon memories of the code which are months old 2013-07-15T15:36:17 What the fuck 2013-07-15T15:36:50 something is borked 2013-07-15T15:36:53 They're actually considering filing criminal civil rights charges against ZImmerman now? 2013-07-15T15:37:03 i waited over 10min and i still cant place a call 2013-07-15T15:37:09 Okay I have to just say it... That is fucking racist 2013-07-15T15:38:04 i dont pretend to have a good understanding of what happened there, but if someone was trying to bash my head into the ground and i had a guy id use it too 2013-07-15T15:38:19 not implying who started that mess or who needs to be at fault 2013-07-15T15:38:21 Dagmar: federal charges, not state 2013-07-15T15:38:44 I would have the good sense to keep a nice long distance between myself and the mark because that's the fucking risk you take when you stalk someone through the streets at night 2013-07-15T15:38:49 If Zimmerman was in prison on the state charges, they wouldn't bother spending any federal money on him 2013-07-15T15:39:09 Corydon76-home: Yes but how is this not double-jeapordy? 2013-07-15T15:39:23 Different act 2013-07-15T15:39:34 ...and that's why I figure it's more than a bit racist. 2013-07-15T15:39:49 This doesn't appear to have a fucking thing to do with the fact the kid was black. 2013-07-15T15:39:52 It's just a footnote. 2013-07-15T15:40:07 ...but they're sure as hell trying to turn it into a race-hate crime 2013-07-15T15:40:19 I'll bet Martin used the word "nigger" a lot more often than "Zimmerman" 2013-07-15T15:40:40 Doesn't have to be. They can also prosecute it as a sex-discrimination 2013-07-15T15:40:56 They should really be going to FL prosecutors and saying "After this epic fuckup, please explain why you should keep your jobs." 2013-07-15T15:41:11 Federal can't fire state officers 2013-07-15T15:41:39 I don't mean the feds. 2013-07-15T15:42:23 Something went off the rails when they _allowed_ the jury to discard consideration of a manslaughter charge in order to pursue a 2nd degree murder charge they coudln't agree on 2013-07-15T15:42:42 Corydon76-home: something must be dicked with openssl because after i restart asterisk i cant even connect to a port anymore 2013-07-15T15:42:47 have to reboot entire server 2013-07-15T15:42:56 The manslaughter charge would have been straightforward 2013-07-15T15:44:05 Proving that Z was responsible for the situation leading up to M's death is literally all they needed, which they had in adbundance 2013-07-15T15:44:35 The only thing they'd need to prove beyond that was that M died as a result of being shot. Easy-mode. 2013-07-15T15:45:30 I say this because I have personally been in Martin's shoes and almost yanked someone clean out of their car 2013-07-15T15:45:59 If you're stalking someone and they turn on you, tough shit for you 2013-07-15T15:46:14 Take the beating like a man or be ready to explain your shit real fast 2013-07-15T15:46:20 Self-defense doesn't apply 2013-07-15T15:47:42 so would they only need proving that M feared for his life because of stalking Z 2013-07-15T15:48:52 Yep 2013-07-15T15:49:09 I can't believe that simple thing got fucked up 2013-07-15T15:50:12 The jury was given the option for the manslaughter charge and I'm baffled as to how they weren't instructed to go with it if they coudln't come to a decision on 2ndM, since they'd already been given enough evidence to show manslaughter. 2013-07-15T15:50:34 Doesn't matter. Florida law only provides that Z feared for his life for him to use deadly force, even if he started the confrontation himself 2013-07-15T15:51:04 Yes but a manslaughter charge would still apply, even in that case 2013-07-15T15:51:09 And Martin, being 17, didn't have a legal right to use a gun, being underage. 2013-07-15T15:51:17 'cept Martin didn't have a gun 2013-07-15T15:51:33 Dagmar: nope, it's still self-defense. Manslaughter is excluded 2013-07-15T15:52:09 That's why my position is that the self defense law being able to be invoked anywhere is simply bad law. 2013-07-15T15:53:25 You should ONLY be able to invoke self defense if you're in a protected area (home, vehicle) and you're defending yourself against a person who has no right to be there. 2013-07-15T15:54:16 Florida law (and Tennessee law, unfortunately) is that you can be literally anywhere and invoke the self-defense law, even against someone who has the legal right to be there. 2013-07-15T15:54:34 Manslaughter isn't incompatible with self-defense 2013-07-15T15:56:49 That depends upon the particular wording and precedent in state law. I'm not an attorney, nor do I play one on TV 2013-07-15T15:57:28 http://news.yahoo.com/zimmerman-jury-asks-for--clarificaton--on-manslaughter-charge-221141455.html 2013-07-15T15:57:30 Title: Zimmerman jury asks for 'clarification' on manslaughter charge (at news.yahoo.com) 2013-07-15T15:57:42 They actually lay out the bullet points quite clearly. No pun intended 2013-07-15T15:58:24 I had to look into this shit pretty closely while I was still deeply concerned that I was going to accidentally kill someone just because they surprised me at the wrong time 2013-07-15T15:59:11 The jury could have found him on manslaughter and simply let him go based on self-defense if they wanted to 2013-07-15T15:59:29 2nd degree murder requires maliciousness which is much harder to prove 2013-07-15T15:59:36 It was a massive fuckup 2013-07-15T16:01:38 Nah, the prosecution was political from the outset. The original DA refused to press charges at the outset, because it was such a weak case. The state attorney chose to press forward with an outside prosecutor due to the public outcry 2013-07-15T16:02:27 So I got from the prosecutor afterwards that they fully expected to lose. 2013-07-15T16:03:18 They should have steered the jury towards manslaughter and let him off that way then 2013-07-15T16:03:18 Corydon76-home: Did you see that the state fired the guy that informed the defense that the prosecution was fucking deleting possible evidence? 2013-07-15T16:03:26 Basically, "we know it's a weak case, but if you want us to prosecute him that badly, so be it... We'll do it." 2013-07-15T16:03:27 oddball: I hope like fuck he sues 2013-07-15T16:03:51 oddball: not deleting, just not turning it over. 2013-07-15T16:04:03 They put him between a rock and a hard place 2013-07-15T16:04:13 If Zimmerman was convicted, and it wasn't turned over, it would have been a reason to overturn 2013-07-15T16:04:16 Say nothing, and when the defense finds out, leave him holding the bag 2013-07-15T16:04:20 Say something, and they fire him? Fuck that 2013-07-15T16:05:02 The reason they fired him was complete payback for being blindsighted in court 2013-07-15T16:05:14 Corydon76-home: He was alerted when they made noises about deleting the info. They ended up not, but... 2013-07-15T16:05:43 If they didn't want to be blindsided then maybe they should have made the defense explain all their questions in advance 2013-07-15T16:05:47 It wasn't his damn fault 2013-07-15T16:05:59 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o oddball 2013-07-15T16:06:23 oddball: my reading of the story is that they had a team go over the phone, that got turned over. Then he went over it, found some additional evidence, and that wasn't turned over until his attorney made the defense aware of it 2013-07-15T16:06:58 What I was reading was that he went over it and found 4,000 things, but the defense was only given 2,000 things 2013-07-15T16:07:04 right 2013-07-15T16:07:14 ...not that he went over it later 2013-07-15T16:07:15 No, two different investigations of the phone 2013-07-15T16:07:46 He's not a forensic investigator, just an IT admin who knew something about cell phones 2013-07-15T16:08:04 Oh well, A shame their own people sucked so hard 2013-07-15T16:08:14 And then the judge was stating that the extra info was inadmissable because the defense couldn't prove that messages sent from Martin's phone that required two passwords was sent by Martin. 2013-07-15T16:08:30 Hello Barnum and Bailey 2013-07-15T16:08:43 Yeah, but it's moot, once he was found not guilty 2013-07-15T16:09:02 They only really care enough to pursue if he was convicted 2013-07-15T16:09:03 In this case, yes. 2013-07-15T16:09:18 Any way you slice it, someone's probably going to take a good solid poke at Zimmerman in the next six months 2013-07-15T16:10:00 Dagmar: look at the last link I posted to my Facebook. If they're smart, nobody is going to go after Zimmerman, unless they catch him fully unaware 2013-07-15T16:10:20 Motherfucker better buy some eye-shadow and a CRX and start learning Chinese if he wants to hide 2013-07-15T16:10:30 With the constant amount of death threats, he can shoot anybody who merely looks at him funny 2013-07-15T16:10:32 Corydon76-home: The dude failed at a simple trail-the-suspect operation 2013-07-15T16:10:43 Failed against a guy in a _white hoodie_ 2013-07-15T16:11:21 Whether or not he might be able to say shooting someone else was justified later isn't going to matter if someone just plugs his ass without wasting time monologuing 2013-07-15T16:11:31 It's entirely reasonable, under the law, to shoot a guy who looks like he might be carrying, if you just got off a murder rap, and half the country wants you dead. 2013-07-15T16:12:31 That said, he's probably going to need to pawn all his bullets and his gun in the next 2 years, because really, who would want to hire him now? 2013-07-15T16:12:56 No one who isn't running a reality show they want to tape someone getting shot to death on 2013-07-15T16:13:09 *kofkof* 2013-07-15T16:13:50 Corydon76-home: Unfortunately, no one's going to pay much for the gun he was carrying. KelTec PF-9s aren't exactly sought after guns. 2013-07-15T16:14:32 oddball: are you kidding? He can put it on ebay and get top dollar from collectors wanting a gun used in a nationally televised case 2013-07-15T16:15:04 The gun itself may be worthless, but the cachet of owning that particular gun is huge 2013-07-15T16:15:17 That's true... whip up a certificate of authenticity, and *bam.* $5k. 2013-07-15T16:15:31 At least 2013-07-15T16:15:47 (instead of the... oh... $150 that he'd otherwise get) 2013-07-15T16:18:15 He could probably also pawn the passport he tried to retain when the court required to hand over his passport 2013-07-15T16:18:15 Remember that debacle? 2013-07-15T16:18:15 Also, that's not the gun that a "big man with a gun" would carry. 2013-07-15T16:18:15 Oh god.. yeah... I remember that. 2013-07-15T16:19:51 *** sdodson has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2013-07-15T16:20:19 *** sdodson_ has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T16:20:19 *** RangerZ2 has joined #se2600 2013-07-15T16:20:29 and by pawn, I mean, "auction off for an obsene amount of money" 2013-07-15T16:21:29 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2013-07-15T16:21:32 By the way, apparently the first defense lawyer was going to bring in Massad Ayoob (*big* gun guy that pretty much makes a living as a professional gun/gun law expert). He's stated that he's going to write up his thoughts on the case now that it's over. Should be an interesting read. 2013-07-15T16:21:37 I wonder how many people named "George Zimmerman" are in the process of changing their names due to the publicity 2013-07-15T16:22:24 yeah, i dunno... 2013-07-15T16:25:08 DOJ might try him under Civil Rights violations 2013-07-15T16:25:48 which has a lower standard of proof, and would have a federal jury pool, not just stanford(sp?) FL one 2013-07-15T16:25:53 gahhhh 2013-07-15T16:26:08 Yep... I was just reading that. 2013-07-15T16:26:32 basically "did the person Die (for any reason) b/c you were being racist... yes/no" 2013-07-15T16:26:40 why is it team leads always wait till the end of the shift to give you a time consuming task 2013-07-15T16:26:55 Shadow404: that way you can't bother them with questions 2013-07-15T16:27:01 PHB tactic 2013-07-15T16:27:11