2013-07-13T00:04:27  <Evilpig> Dagmar: ping
2013-07-13T00:06:00  <Dagmar> no
2013-07-13T00:06:17  <Evilpig> fix it so I don't have to open a ticket and call you
2013-07-13T00:06:48  <Dagmar> bleh
2013-07-13T00:07:22  <Dagmar> working on it now
2013-07-13T00:07:31  <Evilpig> still trying to pretend I don't see it
2013-07-13T00:11:05  <aestetix> vagina
2013-07-13T00:11:17  <Evilpig> now that is very much make believe
2013-07-13T00:12:18  <RangerZ2> make has '--believe'  ?
2013-07-13T00:12:31  <Evilpig> smartass
2013-07-13T00:15:07  <Dagmar> All better.
2013-07-13T00:15:14  <Dagmar> We actually do need jillions of tickets on that
2013-07-13T00:15:32  <Evilpig> fine. i'll open one next time.  just in the middle of something at the moment.
2013-07-13T00:15:36  <Dagmar> ...but I will probably be having the _same_ idiotic argument with management about deploying a fix, regardless
2013-07-13T00:15:56  <Dagmar> I'll propbably wind up writing the last 100 lines tomorrow
2013-07-13T01:07:08  <oddball> god bless the folks on the xda forums
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2013-07-13T03:25:12  <Dagmar> It looks like the nightmare may soon be starting
2013-07-13T03:25:15  <Dagmar> WAGEFLATION!
2013-07-13T03:26:25  <Dagmar> Companies may have to start doing significantly better than minimum wage, and then rich people will have to go to a lot of trouble trying to make up stories about how it's actually a signifcant part of the cost of producing goods
2013-07-13T03:27:07  <Dagmar> A head of lettuce might stop costing two dollars and shoot right up to two dollars and FIFTEEN CENTS
2013-07-13T03:27:32  <Dagmar> Wal-Mart employees will still be starving, meanwhile Target employees will be able to actually shop somewhere other than Wal-Mart
2013-07-13T03:51:15  <Dagmar> Evilpig: About Cube World... disable any CJK IME you might have
2013-07-13T03:55:31  <Evilpig> CJK IME?
2013-07-13T03:56:58  <Dagmar> Yeah.  Asian input widgets.  Usually gets installed the moment you let Windows install support for Chinese or Japanese
2013-07-13T03:57:41  <Dagmar> I vaguely remember something baout it's defaults fucking with parts of DirectX that causes input to just hang things up for several to many whole clock seconds
2013-07-13T03:57:51  <Evilpig> I'd say I don't have any installed but I do remember when jay was at the apartment before we went to NOLA he was doing something with some weird ass japanese torrent
2013-07-13T03:58:16  <Dagmar> I was hunting through their support forums and a number of people are having that pausing problem and long response times on the keyboard
2013-07-13T04:00:27  <Evilpig> i'll check that when I get home in the morning
2013-07-13T04:01:15  <Evilpig> working on the logbook at the moment.  just need to do a cross browser test and make sure IE doesn't crap itself now
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2013-07-13T07:52:39  <Evilpig> Does this mean that corydon works for microsoft? http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20130621
2013-07-13T07:52:40  <GateKeeper> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del - (NSFW) Friendzoned (2013-06-21) (at www.cad-comic.com)
2013-07-13T08:23:52  <Shadow404> ok, im a little suprised, why does homedept need to open at 6am?
2013-07-13T08:24:25  <Shadow404> who the hell wakes up at 5:30 and says, "oh geee, i need to buy more sheetrock and I think ill go out and buy it right now"
2013-07-13T08:29:26  <eryc> people need to pick up supplies before getting to the jobsite at 8am
2013-07-13T08:30:50  <Shadow404> maybe
2013-07-13T08:31:26  <eryc> ...
2013-07-13T08:31:37  <Shadow404> the closest ive come to hard labor in any job is moving a pallet of end of contract desktops with a dolly
2013-07-13T09:03:56  <RangerZ2> Shadow404: you never worked construction
2013-07-13T09:04:21  <RangerZ2> if you can work 7-3 or 6-2, you DO
2013-07-13T09:05:27  <RangerZ2> especially down south
2013-07-13T09:07:29  <RangerZ2> my great grandfather would wake up at like 4:30am or some BS like that
2013-07-13T09:07:52  <RangerZ2> to do all his daily BS before work then leave the house at 6:30
2013-07-13T09:33:48  <Evilpig> Shadow404: people with real jobs
2013-07-13T09:34:11  <Evilpig> if you'r eworking outside you'd rather do it at 6am than 6pm
2013-07-13T09:40:59  <RangerZ2> OR working 6 to 12 then break from 12 to 2~3, then working 3~6
2013-07-13T09:44:17  <Evilpig> I can't begin to tell you how many of my summers all started at 5am loading the truck, getting to the lumber yard or tile warehouse and loading up the trailer and being out to the jobsite by 8
2013-07-13T09:44:45  <Evilpig> if you didn't have that fucker unloaded by 8:30 you were in for a very bad day.  that southern california sun was a motherfucker
2013-07-13T12:21:53  <Shadow404> Evilpig: yeah, im never worked a real job
2013-07-13T12:21:59  <Shadow404> all of mine have been comfy inside ones
2013-07-13T12:22:11  <Shadow404> aside from lawnmowing service when i was a minor
2013-07-13T12:22:16  <Shadow404> that shit sucked hardcore
2013-07-13T12:22:50  <Shadow404> come home bleeding from the lady with the professional garden and her damn thorn bushes
2013-07-13T12:28:28  <Shadow404> i remember "accidentally" cutting down part of the bushes
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2013-07-13T12:54:04  <Shadow404> grumman?
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2013-07-13T14:11:22  <aestetix> fucking jehovahs witnesses
2013-07-13T14:25:36  <Corydon76-home> aestetix: were you?
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2013-07-13T14:45:49  <Bahhumbug> Heh
2013-07-13T14:48:43  <aestetix> Corydon76-home: lol
2013-07-13T14:49:04  <aestetix> I didn't know they existed in oakland
2013-07-13T14:50:35  <Bahhumbug> They exist everywhere.
2013-07-13T14:52:43  <RangerZ2> whats funny is... i almost dated one, and didn't know she was until like 2years after knowing her
2013-07-13T14:53:01  <RangerZ2> her and her family weren't preachy about it at all
2013-07-13T14:53:43  <RangerZ2> just one day in december, we went to the mall, and she ran into some friends, and they said 'ohh yeah, you don't celebrate christmas' ... and i was like...what...lol
2013-07-13T14:54:41  <RangerZ2> b/c Xmas is more of a family thing than a religious one to me... so i never thought about people not celebrating... (even the jews i knew, celebrated it as the _national secular_ holiday it is, lol
2013-07-13T14:58:45  <aestetix> "To witness Ron Jeremy have intercourse is to witness a grizzly bear eat a flamingo, or an orphan try to break into a vending machine."
2013-07-13T14:59:01  <aestetix> "He is a manifestation of the grotesque male id, jamming fingers and genitals into every orifice at every opportunity, doing all of these things simultaneously, not making sense, not following some plan, just a man bludgeoning the human body with his sexual impulses. It is like watching a chimpanzee try to open the package of an Xbox controller. "
2013-07-13T15:00:13  <Bahhumbug> Except for the fact he is, as far as I know, retired.  And compared to most of the guys in porn he was pretty vanilla.
2013-07-13T15:00:29  <aestetix> I think it's more because he's ugly.
2013-07-13T15:00:32  <RangerZ2> aestetix: you're going to the armory tonight again aren't you? for their costume parties
2013-07-13T15:00:34  <aestetix> But I dunno.
2013-07-13T15:00:44  <aestetix> RangerZ2: why, you tuning in?
2013-07-13T15:01:14  <RangerZ2> aestetix: nah, I just know where/what it is b/c of my time in town/on ther internet, lol
2013-07-13T15:01:42  <RangerZ2> though my 'people watching' would probably get the better of me at some point, and i'd go
2013-07-13T15:01:54  <RangerZ2> its like 'people of walmart' but with leather
2013-07-13T15:02:01  <RangerZ2> well.... more.... leather
2013-07-13T15:02:05  <RangerZ2> lol
2013-07-13T15:02:19  <aestetix> RangerZ2: I haven't been to the armory in a while, actually.
2013-07-13T15:02:47  <aestetix> Ultimate Surrender is fun..... the upper floor has gotten a bit.... the mood there has changed.
2013-07-13T15:03:24  <aestetix> Also, they had to stop serving alcohol there because of city restrictions
2013-07-13T15:03:34  <Bahhumbug> Oh, is that were the filmed those?  An old Armory?
2013-07-13T15:03:39  <aestetix> So I can't sip a champaigne while watching fucking anymore
2013-07-13T15:03:39  <Bahhumbug> s/were/where/
2013-07-13T15:03:47  <aestetix> Bahhumbug: yes.
2013-07-13T15:03:54  <Bahhumbug> Neat.
2013-07-13T15:04:02  <aestetix> The armoy itself is really cool
2013-07-13T15:04:18  <RangerZ2> apparently the locals were happy that someone took it over, b/c it was going abandoned before they took it up
2013-07-13T15:04:25  <aestetix> RangerZ2: some were.
2013-07-13T15:04:30  <RangerZ2> b/c the 'building' itself is really impressive
2013-07-13T15:04:32  <aestetix> Others were inflamed because of the porn
2013-07-13T15:04:43  <RangerZ2> I don't count them as 'people'
2013-07-13T15:04:45  <RangerZ2> lol
2013-07-13T15:04:45  <aestetix> The best part is there are always a bunch of teenagers skateboarding in front of it
2013-07-13T15:05:05  <aestetix> So you have to dodge the skateboarding teenagers on your way into the porn shoot
2013-07-13T15:06:05  <Bahhumbug> Is that building in Oakland or 'Frisco?
2013-07-13T15:06:14  <aestetix> San Francisco
2013-07-13T15:06:23  <Corydon76-home> There are ways to get rid of the skateboarders... "Hey, boys, wanna make some extra money?"
2013-07-13T15:06:23  <Bahhumbug> I always assumed LA.
2013-07-13T15:06:45  <aestetix> It's in the Mission, actually.
2013-07-13T15:07:00  <aestetix> When Noisebridge first started, about half the members worked there :p
2013-07-13T15:07:17  <aestetix> Which is why it's hilarious to me that there are all these "family friendly" idiots there now
2013-07-13T15:07:50  <Bahhumbug> Heh
2013-07-13T15:08:29  <Bahhumbug> You should redefine that term to mean "conducive to breeding and creating a family".
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2013-07-13T15:08:57  <aestetix> I generally define it to mean "prudish and unwilling to be around things that make them slightly uncomfortable"
2013-07-13T15:09:08  <aestetix> since last I checked, sex is an integral part of breeding :p
2013-07-13T15:09:18  <Bahhumbug> Pretty much, yes.
2013-07-13T15:09:25  <RangerZ2> and aestetix i didn't figure you went there, so my question was meant to be a joke, but *shrugs*
2013-07-13T15:09:32  <aestetix> RangerZ2: oh haha
2013-07-13T15:09:41  <aestetix> RangerZ2: it's been a while.
2013-07-13T15:11:05  <RangerZ2> "George R. R. Martin Audio Book Collection" OHH... thats a grb
2013-07-13T15:11:08  <RangerZ2> grab*
2013-07-13T15:11:14  <Bahhumbug> Where?
2013-07-13T15:11:27  <RangerZ2> private tracker , lol
2013-07-13T15:11:50  <RangerZ2> Bahhumbug: PMed
2013-07-13T15:11:51  <Bahhumbug> That's fine, when you get it you can send it to me.
2013-07-13T15:12:11  <Bahhumbug> Sorry, I don't take messages from un-authenticated users.
2013-07-13T15:12:13  <Bahhumbug> Let me go fix.
2013-07-13T15:12:34  <RangerZ2> ohh yeah, i need to fix that myself
2013-07-13T15:13:09  <Bahhumbug> Ok, it should be fixed.
2013-07-13T15:17:53  <RangerZ2> Bahhumbug: get invite?
2013-07-13T15:19:32  <RangerZ2> http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2013/04/scienceshot-heavy-stubble-makes-.html
2013-07-13T15:19:33  <GateKeeper> Title: ScienceShot: Heavy Stubble Makes Men More Attractive - ScienceNOW (at news.sciencemag.org)
2013-07-13T15:19:42  <RangerZ2> science... doing the important things
2013-07-13T15:28:24  <Bahhumbug> Grey-listed, it'll get here eventually :)
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2013-07-13T15:55:30  <Bahhumbug> RangerZ2: Got it - thank you :)
2013-07-13T15:55:41  <RangerZ2> 20gb too
2013-07-13T15:55:45  <RangerZ2> fairly big collection
2013-07-13T16:07:25  <RangerZ2> farely(sp?)
2013-07-13T16:07:30  <RangerZ2> ehh
2013-07-13T16:08:56  <Bahhumbug> fairly :)
2013-07-13T16:09:06  <Bahhumbug> Sigh, honey_dew_this_now time :/
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2013-07-13T16:27:49  <oddball> jonny_X: ping?
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2013-07-13T16:42:40  <Dagmar> lol
2013-07-13T16:43:41  <oddball> What?  I know he's not on here often, but I thought I'd at least try. :p
2013-07-13T16:44:44  <Dagmar> No, someone in Ingress...
2013-07-13T16:44:57  <oddball> ah
2013-07-13T16:45:03  <Dagmar> "[secure[ 8bitwizard: @Dagmar you the same dagmar in #se2600?"
2013-07-13T16:45:16  <Dagmar> "[secure] Dagmar: If I weren't, I'd be gunning for me"
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2013-07-13T17:09:38  <Dagmar> evilpig: So Pratchett is saying they banned some people... and Wyatt is grey now
2013-07-13T17:09:57  <Dagmar> Daniel and Kayla only show on one portal
2013-07-13T17:10:15  <Dagmar> I wonder if Niantic did finally drop the boom on the asshat pack
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2013-07-13T20:12:52  <Evilpig> Dagmar: I am very curious about that myself
2013-07-13T20:13:11  <Evilpig> I had noticed the last few days there hasn't been any activity out of a few of them
2013-07-13T20:15:38  <Evilpig> wow.  http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2013-07-13/story/state-attorney-angela-corey-fires-information-techonology-director-who
2013-07-13T20:15:39  <GateKeeper> Title: State Attorney Angela Corey fires information techonology director who raised concerns in Trayvon Martin case | jacksonville.com (at jacksonville.com)
2013-07-13T20:15:53  <Evilpig> Get ready for a mistrial declaration
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2013-07-13T20:23:46  <oddball> Evilpig: Oh... yeah... if he's convicted, the defense has plenty of reasons for either a mistrial or an appeal.
2013-07-13T20:24:24  <oddball> Including the judge demanding that the defense give proof that text messages from Martin's phone were actually made by Martin.
2013-07-13T20:25:03  <Evilpig> that's utterly impossible to do
2013-07-13T20:25:32  <Evilpig> even with langauge foresics there would still be doubt as to if a message was from a particular person
2013-07-13T20:26:43  <oddball> Yeah... if the simple fact that it was his phone... which was locked, and his text messaging had a second password on it... isn't enough proof, then what is?
2013-07-13T20:27:37  <oddball> I saw a vid clip of the precedings dealing with that and the defense lawyer actually threw his hands into the air and had to seriously stifle a "for fuck's sake."
2013-07-13T20:33:33  <Evilpig> resonable doubt.  I could make an argument that a friend might know my passwords to a phone
2013-07-13T20:33:45  <Evilpig> I knew ashley's
2013-07-13T20:39:10  <Dagmar> But still, there's a ton of people who talk gangsta shit who are jsut idiots
2013-07-13T20:39:22  <Dagmar> On the other hand, we have a guy who was instructed by the police to NOT STALK A GUY
2013-07-13T20:39:24  <Dagmar> ...and he did it anyway
2013-07-13T20:39:44  <Dagmar> He was _being_ "gansta"
2013-07-13T20:39:44  <Evilpig> that's been my sticking point on the whole thing as well
2013-07-13T20:43:07  <Dagmar> Someone was asking me if Martin wasn't casing someone's home, why was he in their backyard
2013-07-13T20:44:25  <Dagmar> My answer to that was in ttwo parts, the first being that it was irrelevant if he was casing someone's home or not, the second being it's equally likely he figured out someone was stalking him and went there to get the drop on the motherfucekr
2013-07-13T20:45:01  <Dagmar> Hell, whether or not Martin talked thug in SMS doens't even fucking matter because he wasn't the person *packing heat* and stalking people
2013-07-13T20:49:45  <RangerZ2> zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter easily
2013-07-13T20:50:02  <RangerZ2> he probably didn't 'plan' to kill the kid, but he's directly responsible
2013-07-13T20:50:45  <Corydon76-home> The question is only whether he gets one of the exceptions or not
2013-07-13T20:50:47  <Bahhumbug> Yeah, well... Stand Your Ground :/
2013-07-13T20:50:58  <Bahhumbug> He's going to get off on this.
2013-07-13T20:51:25  <Corydon76-home> The fact that he pulled the trigger is not in dispute.  Whether he had the right to do so, is.
2013-07-13T20:51:41  <RangerZ2> they didn't use 'stand your ground' at all as a defense
2013-07-13T20:51:49  <Bahhumbug> Really?
2013-07-13T20:51:58  <Bahhumbug> I've not been following it at all.  It'll just make me mad.
2013-07-13T20:52:03  <RangerZ2> b/c it would have opened up a can of worms apparently
2013-07-13T20:52:06  <RangerZ2> legally
2013-07-13T20:52:28  <Corydon76-home> Yeah, they're going with justifiable homicide
2013-07-13T20:53:32  <Corydon76-home> That Zimmerman has none of Martin's blood on him is for me enough proof that he's lying
2013-07-13T20:54:01  <Bahhumbug> I'm not quite so how that was justifiable...  but like I said, it'll just piss me off.
2013-07-13T20:54:08  <Bahhumbug> s/so /sure /
2013-07-13T20:55:10  <Corydon76-home> Supposing it happened exactly as Zimmerman said, that Martin was on top of him, beating his head into the concrete.  Since he has no way of retreating, using deadly force would be justifiable to stop the beating he was receiving
2013-07-13T20:55:13  <Evilpig> RangerZ2: nancy grace has been harping on stand your ground all week.  so it did come up
2013-07-13T20:55:19  <oddball> They're arguing that it was self defense because Martin was on top of him beating his head against the sidewalk.
2013-07-13T20:55:35  <Dagmar> That's a damn shame
2013-07-13T20:55:39  <oddball> Evilpig: nope.  Stand your ground was not used in the case.
2013-07-13T20:55:42  <Dagmar> He had a fucking gun, and he was the aggressor
2013-07-13T20:55:51  <Bahhumbug> ^ that
2013-07-13T20:55:54  <Dagmar> If Martin had killed Zimmerman, then it would be self-defense
2013-07-13T20:56:19  <oddball> Dagmar: Not necessarily.
2013-07-13T20:56:21  <Bahhumbug> Except he was black and it's FL.
2013-07-13T20:56:49  <Corydon76-home> I keep going back and forth on it.  I think Zimmerman should definitely face some punishment, but that's a gut reaction, not based upon the law as written
2013-07-13T20:56:49  <Dagmar> So what.  Z is hispanic, so he's probably a meth smoking gang banger
2013-07-13T20:56:54  <oddball> If Martin started the fight and was beating his head into the sidwalk, that's reasonable cause to think "shit, this guy's going to kill me."
2013-07-13T20:57:26  <Dagmar> The moral there is: Don't fucking stalk people after hte cops have told you not to.  They might decide you're trying to do them in and jump you
2013-07-13T20:57:34  <oddball> And no... someone following you is not starting a fight under the law.
2013-07-13T20:57:45  <Corydon76-home> And I think everybody's gut reaction is for Zimmerman to face jail time, because he took a life.  But again, gut, not law.
2013-07-13T20:58:17  <Evilpig> I want him to see jailtime because he stalked and gunned down a kid
2013-07-13T20:58:36  <Corydon76-home> I don't envy the jury.  They're being asked to make a decision where it's impossible to know what really happened.
2013-07-13T20:59:45  <Evilpig> we know the important bits. The cops told him not to approach/follow the suspect.  He did, end of story.  he created teh situation.  martin didn't drag him out of his vehicle or try to carjack him.  period the end.
2013-07-13T20:59:53  <Corydon76-home> "If only there were cameras everywhere and we had independent verification of the events of that night..."  ;-)
2013-07-13T21:00:40  <oddball> Evilpig: Nope... sorry... a 911 operator telling someone "you don't have to do that" is not a police order.
2013-07-13T21:01:47  <Evilpig> it's common fucking sense.  we're defending a moron that created a situation that led to the death of a possibly innocent person.  if he hadn't followed martin, if he hadn't gotten out of his vehicle woudl this have happened?
2013-07-13T21:01:51  <Evilpig> that is the question that needs to be answered
2013-07-13T21:02:07  <Corydon76-home> Yeah, but you're framing the events of the evening in too short a frame.  Oddball, I assume, goes everywhere with his handgun concealed on his person.  If he got out of his car with his handgun, you're making the assumption that he started a confrontation
2013-07-13T21:02:43  <Evilpig> I'm making the assumption that he got out of his car to follow martin after calling in a suspicious person to 911
2013-07-13T21:02:53  <Corydon76-home> It's possible that Zimmerman started the confrontation, and it's possible he did not.  We don't know.
2013-07-13T21:03:01  <oddball> Corydon76-home: right
2013-07-13T21:03:54  <Corydon76-home> If a confrontation did not occur that evening, as it probably did not happen on hundreds of other evenings, him getting out of his car to follow a suspicious individual would never have been a crime
2013-07-13T21:04:59  <Corydon76-home> Think about it.  It's your gut reaction, not a judgement based upon the law that Zimmerman should face sanction.
2013-07-13T21:05:33  <Corydon76-home> But you have to read the law and try to consider exactly what he did, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it was criminal
2013-07-13T21:06:22  <Corydon76-home> Again, what convinces me is the lack of blood on Zimmerman's clothes, which means he's lying about where he was when the gun was fired.
2013-07-13T21:06:22  <oddball> The real question, as far as the law is concerned, is who threw the first punch/shoved first/etc.
2013-07-13T21:06:56  <Corydon76-home> Because if he's lying about Martin being on top of him, he's probably lying about every other detail that isn't independently verified
2013-07-13T21:07:18  <RangerZ2> Corydon76-home: he's lied about a TON of small things
2013-07-13T21:07:34  <RangerZ2> changing his story as he goes to 'make' the 'perfect' self defense
2013-07-13T21:07:47  <Corydon76-home> RangerZ2: and that, in my opinion, not any judgement about his frame of mind, is precisely enough to convict
2013-07-13T21:08:30  <oddball> From the wounds Zimmerman had when the cops showed up (busted nose, lacerations on the back of his head), I believe that there was a fight and that he was at the losing end for at least part of it.  It's the question of who started it.  And simply following someone doesn't count.
2013-07-13T21:09:05  <Corydon76-home> oddball: no, but where Zimmerman was when the shot was fired; if he's lying about that, that's enough to convict
2013-07-13T21:09:49  <RangerZ2> he had ~80lbs on the kid too, its funny as hell that he was getting his ass beat
2013-07-13T21:09:50  <oddball> possibly.
2013-07-13T21:10:03  <Corydon76-home> If a guy is on top of you, close enough to be beating your head in, and you fire a round through his heart, some of his blood is going to get on you
2013-07-13T21:10:16  <RangerZ2> they fucking had his self defense teacher in the trial... saying how he sucked at fighting, lol
2013-07-13T21:11:33  <oddball> RangerZ2: Well, the kid was a football player, and there's evidence that he had been involved in arranged fights.  It's not unreasonable to believe that a 17 year old in good shape with training could beat the shit out of an out of shape 30 something.
2013-07-13T21:12:22  <oddball> Corydon76-home: I'd have to do some testing to see how fast that happens if the guy is wearing a t-shirt and a hoodie.  It is a bit suspicious, though.
2013-07-13T21:12:53  <Corydon76-home> oddball: yes, but as anybody can attest who has been in that situation, once you get the adrenaline of that situation going through you, it's anybody's guess what he would have done
2013-07-13T21:13:08  <oddball> absolutely.
2013-07-13T21:13:13  <Corydon76-home> I know what I'd do:  turn tail and run, because it's happened to me before
2013-07-13T21:13:39  <oddball> Which, frankly, is the smart thing if you have that as an option.
2013-07-13T21:13:42  <Corydon76-home> I can't fight for shit, either, and I've even been in arranged sparring matches
2013-07-13T21:14:20  <Corydon76-home> My best chance for success in a fight is to get someone into a hold and choke them out.
2013-07-13T21:15:22  <oddball> Of ocurse, that also brings up that I don't think Zimmerman knows exactly what happened.
2013-07-13T21:16:34  <oddball> s/ocurse/course
2013-07-13T21:16:35  <Corydon76-home> Oh, I think he does know what happened; I think it's been playing in a loop ever since
2013-07-13T21:16:55  <Corydon76-home> He may not know why it went down exactly the way it did, though
2013-07-13T21:17:17  <oddball> He probably remembers the exact moment that he shot the kid, but before and after are probably a bit fuzzy.
2013-07-13T21:17:50  <Corydon76-home> Any time adrenaline starts through your veins, you remember every single detail.  At least, that's how it is for me
2013-07-13T21:18:37  <Corydon76-home> I can be sitting down and the other person sitting down, and if there's a confrontation, I remember everything said and the way someone looks at me
2013-07-13T21:18:58  <Corydon76-home> It fades over time, sure, but it's rock solid for the next several days
2013-07-13T21:20:28  <oddball> There is that.  I'm thinking about the head injuries he had.
2013-07-13T21:21:20  <Corydon76-home> I've had my head beaten like that, too.  The adrenaline overcompensates for that
2013-07-13T21:21:43  <Corydon76-home> If there were any real danger from the head injuries, there'd be a medical report of a concussion
2013-07-13T21:22:02  <Corydon76-home> You don't walk away and stay living a year later if a concussion occurred
2013-07-13T21:22:41  <oddball> ok.  I've had serious adrenaline dumps before, but not in conjuction with minor head trauma.
2013-07-13T21:22:44  <Corydon76-home> If there was a concussion, chances are Zimmerman would have gone to sleep that night and never woken back up
2013-07-13T21:23:54  <Corydon76-home> What I think actually happened is that Zimmerman went after him, insulted the kid, Martin punched him in the nose, and Zimmerman drew his gun and fired.
2013-07-13T21:24:46  <Corydon76-home> Ironically, if it occurred exactly that way, then under Stand Your Ground, Zimmerman would be not guilty
2013-07-13T21:25:26  <Corydon76-home> Once he started lying in the courtroom about what actually occurred, it's anybody's guess and the evidence of him lying is enough to convict
2013-07-13T21:25:28  <oddball> Yeah... a lot of folks in the gun community were rather shocked when he decided not to use Stand Your Ground.
2013-07-13T21:27:19  <Corydon76-home> Well, if it occurred the way he says, then SYG would never apply in the first place
2013-07-13T21:28:05  <RangerZ2> hell... the jurry is still deliberating at 9:30 pm
2013-07-13T21:28:09  <oddball> Yeah... if it did happen the way he says it did, then it is a fairly clear cut self defense case.
2013-07-13T21:28:35  <Corydon76-home> Because unlike in other states, where he has the duty to flee, if Martin was on top of him, he had no chance to flee
2013-07-13T21:29:01  <RangerZ2> i don't even care if it 'was' self defense at THAT point... its manslaughter b/c he's responsible for FOLLOWING when 911 operator told him that he wasn't needed to follow the person
2013-07-13T21:29:25  <Corydon76-home> Again, though, I think the evidence shows he's lying about the way it happened.
2013-07-13T21:29:43  <RangerZ2> i agree, but i think that just shows how much 'more' guilty he is
2013-07-13T21:29:44  <oddball> RangerZ2: Doesn't suprise me at all.  I'm guessing there is at least one jurrior that was convinced he was guilty and one that was convinced he was innocent before the case started.
2013-07-13T21:30:36  <Corydon76-home> RangerZ2: but you don't need to go to that extreme to convict.  Evidence that Martin was not on top of him when the shot was fired means he's lying about the case.  That's enough to convict.
2013-07-13T21:30:42  <RangerZ2> apparently this jurry has decided at _every_ chance to not stop, and get this over with, i'm hoping they are just systematically going through 'every' piece of evidence, etc
2013-07-13T21:31:11  <RangerZ2> which would take the time
2013-07-13T21:31:39  <oddball> Yeah... and there's a shit ton of stuff to go through.  They have apparently asked if there was a comprehensive list of eveidence that they could see.
2013-07-13T21:32:15  <Corydon76-home> At this stage, though, there's no chance of a verdict being given until Monday morning.
2013-07-13T21:32:28  <Corydon76-home> Court won't meet this late, and they won't convene on a Sunday
2013-07-13T21:32:53  <RangerZ2> even if I felt he was guilty, i'd want to go through all the evidence, piece by piece
2013-07-13T21:33:09  <RangerZ2> to 'prove' to myself
2013-07-13T21:33:26  <RangerZ2> ohh fuck... they casey anthony case too...
2013-07-13T21:33:39  <RangerZ2> central FL... they all felt the jury came back too quick...
2013-07-13T21:33:55  <RangerZ2> so yeah... they are going through ever part...this could take days
2013-07-13T21:33:56  <oddball> I would have been shocked if they came back with a verdict last night, and not terribly suprised that they haven't yet today.
2013-07-13T21:34:54  <oddball> Of course, there's also a fairly high chance of rioting if they come back with a "not guilty."
2013-07-13T21:35:21  <Corydon76-home> My prediction is that Zimmerman is dead in 6 months, either way.
2013-07-13T21:36:03  <oddball> Yeah... I'll go with that prediction.
2013-07-13T21:36:46  <RangerZ2> i'm fine with that
2013-07-13T21:36:48  <RangerZ2> lol
2013-07-13T21:37:16  <RangerZ2> well... i'm fine with that accessment , not the conclusion
2013-07-13T21:37:18  <Corydon76-home> In fact, the only possible tragedy out of that is that if he dies while an appeal is underway, the conviction is vacated.
2013-07-13T21:38:11  <RangerZ2> if he goes to jail... he'd go to protective custody
2013-07-13T21:38:31  <RangerZ2> b/c he'd be a target...
2013-07-13T21:38:47  <Corydon76-home> Sure, until the warden feels like he's no longer under threat
2013-07-13T21:40:00  <Corydon76-home> Doesn't take long in general population until a lifer takes him out, JUST for him being a white man who killed a brotha'
2013-07-13T21:40:53  <Corydon76-home> Or he could pull a Dan White
2013-07-13T21:41:41  <Corydon76-home> (Suicide, after a remarkably short prison sentence, if you're unfamiliar)
2013-07-13T21:43:07  <RangerZ2> anyone know of _good_ wireless speakers?
2013-07-13T21:43:22  <RangerZ2> for listing to audio in the kitchen from my desktop, etc
2013-07-13T21:44:12  <Corydon76-home> I rather like the bluetooth speakers that Bed Bath & Beyond sells for the iPad
2013-07-13T21:44:27  <Corydon76-home> They're small but powerful with excellent clarity
2013-07-13T21:45:02  <Corydon76-home> I don't know if the distance from your desktop to the kitchen is within range of Bluetooth, though
2013-07-13T21:46:39  <Corydon76-home> http://www.bedbathandbeyond.com/product.asp?SKU=203195
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2013-07-13T21:49:17  <RangerZ2> they have a verdict for zimmerman
2013-07-13T21:49:25  <RangerZ2> ~15min til we know what
2013-07-13T21:49:33  <Corydon76-home> Holy crap
2013-07-13T21:50:11  <RangerZ2> b/c both sides are all in the building already
2013-07-13T21:53:29  <RangerZ2> range from PC to kitchen is like 15ft , but through 1 wall(or through open door) down 10ft hallway, and then 5ft 'into' kitchen
2013-07-13T21:53:48  <RangerZ2> so really... just through an inner wall, is all I really need
2013-07-13T21:54:00  <RangerZ2> oddball: they able to do that?
2013-07-13T21:55:16  <oddball> Able to do what?  Return a not guilty verdict?
2013-07-13T21:59:22  <RangerZ2> sorry
2013-07-13T21:59:26  <RangerZ2> the speakers
2013-07-13T21:59:30  <RangerZ2> http://www.zahipedia.net/2010/01/28/online-msnbc-news-live-msnbc-live-news/
2013-07-13T21:59:34  <RangerZ2> if you wanna watch without TV
2013-07-13T21:59:46  <Evilpig> not guilty?  really?  that's bullshit
2013-07-13T22:00:22  <RangerZ2> doesn't matter, he'll end up dead in 6months
2013-07-13T22:04:15  <oddball> Apparently the evidence that the jury was shown pointed to self defense.
2013-07-13T22:04:55  <oddball> Now... he needs to get another gun, change his name, and flee that part of the country.  Not necessarily in that order.
2013-07-13T22:15:10  <RangerZ2> WTF
2013-07-13T22:15:40  <RangerZ2> the prosocuters didn't say SHIT about 'why' did he get out of the car
2013-07-13T22:16:16  <RangerZ2> well no fucking wonder the verdict is what it is
2013-07-13T22:16:23  <RangerZ2> << didn't watch the case... obviously
2013-07-13T22:22:28  <Dagmar> Cue the rioting
2013-07-13T22:25:11  <RangerZ2> nah, won't be rioting
2013-07-13T22:25:24  <RangerZ2> blacks just feeling less and less represented
2013-07-13T22:25:39  <Evilpig> I support rioting as long as nancy grace is a victim of the insuing violence
2013-07-13T22:25:47  <RangerZ2> ^
2013-07-13T22:26:05  <eryc> reports of burning cars in miami
2013-07-13T22:30:15  <Bahhumbug> Fuck FL
2013-07-13T22:30:20  <Bahhumbug> Useless fucking state.
2013-07-13T22:30:32  <oddball> Evilpig: I... think that trade is acceptable.
2013-07-13T22:30:34  <Bahhumbug> Casey Anthony and now this?
2013-07-13T22:30:52  <Dagmar> wait so they fired an IT guy involved in this for doing his job?
2013-07-13T22:30:57  <Dagmar> Wow.  Wrongful termination suit
2013-07-13T22:31:19  <Evilpig> I'm still sticking with at least with anthony you know if you knocked her up you wouldn't have to worry about paying child support.
2013-07-13T22:31:42  <oddball> eryc: Really?  You got a link?
2013-07-13T22:31:59  <Bahhumbug> Hope the entire state burns.
2013-07-13T22:32:31  <Dagmar> I think perhaps gentlement, you're looking at it the wrong way
2013-07-13T22:32:54  <Dagmar> Florida is now clearly a pro-vigilante state.
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2013-07-13T22:33:09  <Batman> i'm moving to florida
2013-07-13T22:33:24  <Dagmar> I see a very productive two-week vacation in my near future
2013-07-13T22:33:45  <Bahhumbug> Too bad Dexter is fictional.
2013-07-13T22:33:49  <Batman> All I need is a gun and a list of teenagers that wear hoodies
2013-07-13T22:33:55  <Bahhumbug> Otherwise I suspect Zimmerman would end up on his table.
2013-07-13T22:42:42  <RangerZ2> so 5 white and 1 hispanic woman on the jury... yeah... racially diverse
2013-07-13T22:43:46  <Dagmar> I'm just impressed they managed to find 12 people who were mentally disabled in one jury pool
2013-07-13T22:50:17  <RangerZ2> 6
2013-07-13T22:50:23  <Dagmar> Okay.  BAskin-Robbins' large shake is too large
2013-07-13T22:50:41  <RangerZ2> only need 6 for a jury in a non-murder 1 case in FL
2013-07-13T22:52:38  <oddball> Dagmar: Or the prosecution just completely failed to make its case (which is what I've read/seen)
2013-07-13T22:52:46  <Bahhumbug> I think I said this already, but if not: Fuck FL.
2013-07-13T22:57:36  <RangerZ2> central FL in particular
2013-07-13T22:58:13  <RangerZ2> its like the Babylon 5 of white gun owners  in FL"the last best hope for white peace"
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2013-07-13T23:03:38  <oddball> RangerZ2: Thank you for being honest that you believe that "white gun owners" are a bunch of racist murders.
2013-07-13T23:03:58  <RangerZ2> i own a gun
2013-07-13T23:04:10  <RangerZ2> but I agree that 'most' are racists, yes
2013-07-13T23:06:48  <Bahhumbug> That's a gross generalization.
2013-07-13T23:07:48  <eryc> do you own a gun Bahhumbug
2013-07-13T23:08:21  <eryc> ?
2013-07-13T23:10:27  <Bahhumbug> Yes.
2013-07-13T23:10:46  <Bahhumbug> And I am neither racist nor a murderer.
2013-07-13T23:12:06  <eryc> huh?
2013-07-13T23:14:09  <eryc> just answer the questions Bahhumbug no need to adlib
2013-07-13T23:14:22  * eryc requests that Bahhumbug's racist statement be stricken from the record
2013-07-13T23:15:05  <eryc> your witness RangerZ2
2013-07-13T23:17:20  <RangerZ2> Bahhumbug: are you pretending to not be a racist because you know that will help your friend's argument ?
2013-07-13T23:17:34  <RangerZ2> or are you pretending to be a gun owner?
2013-07-13T23:18:10  <RangerZ2> Bahhumbug: are you pretending to be a human being?
2013-07-13T23:30:36  <Batman> https://twitter.com/RobDenBleyker/status/356244549997301761
2013-07-13T23:30:37  <GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / RobDenBleyker: With Colorado legalizing weed ... (at twitter.com)
2013-07-13T23:30:51  * Bahhumbug shrugs
2013-07-13T23:31:01  <Bahhumbug> Trollboy asked me a question.  I answered it.
2013-07-13T23:42:58  <RangerZ2> lol
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2013-07-13T23:45:52  <aestetix> penises
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2013-07-13T23:56:35  <aestetix> donkey punch?
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2013-07-13T23:58:02  <oddball> you two sharing a room for Phreaknic?