2013-06-28T00:20:02 http://nymrights.org/2013/06/28/nymrights-info-flyer/ 2013-06-28T00:20:03 Title: NymRights info flyer! | Nym Rights (at nymrights.org) 2013-06-28T00:41:50 ok so 2013-06-28T00:42:07 the reason college tuition keeps going up is because government subsidies to education keep dropping, right? 2013-06-28T00:42:35 Sometimes yes, sometimes no. 2013-06-28T00:42:41 Wow, got up to go to the bathroom and left my wallet with my rfid in it sitting on my desk. 2013-06-28T00:42:52 oddball: well I mean in general 2013-06-28T00:42:59 all the statistics I've been reading basically say that 2013-06-28T00:43:00 Depends on the year, and that's only for state schools. 2013-06-28T00:43:20 what else causes it to rise, then? 2013-06-28T00:43:33 I'm looking at numbers from tuition from 1970 and now.... it's insane 2013-06-28T00:44:03 And most conclusions point to republicans cutting the costs at the government level 2013-06-28T00:44:25 administrators and coaches wanting raises and/or the prevailing belief that a school needs to be constantly building new facilities. 2013-06-28T00:45:02 That doesn't work for private school, since they don't get a dime from the government to begin with. 2013-06-28T00:45:37 And state schools are subsidized by the individual states, not the fed. 2013-06-28T00:46:46 Oh, from the 70's? Yeah... administrative over head has skyrocketed for one. I don't have the numbers, but I wouldn't be suprised if the schools were also spending more on sports teams as well. 2013-06-28T00:47:52 On top of that, the schools have figured out that they can bamboozal folks into believing that damn near everyone gets a scholarship, so the price tag "isn't really the price tag." 2013-06-28T00:50:08 Sorry, the fed does support colleges in a way. They hand out student loans that are bankrupt-proof. Add that to the new way of thinking that it's perfectly ok to be up to your eyeballs in debt... 2013-06-28T00:50:56 And the lie that you can't be successful without a college education/blue collar work is useless... 2013-06-28T00:51:45 It sounds like the people behind Standard Oil got into the education business 2013-06-28T00:52:05 Not as instructors, but as admin. 2013-06-28T00:52:33 Moreover, it sounds like they created a way to really market the American dream 2013-06-28T00:53:36 * oddball sees a serious problem when the football coach makes several times that of the average teacher at many of the major universities. 2013-06-28T00:53:59 like I said 2013-06-28T00:54:12 craft a narrative, raise people up in it, then sell it to them at insane rates 2013-06-28T00:54:17 *** ZeroMinuS has quit IRC () 2013-06-28T00:54:59 well, off to bed with me. 2013-06-28T00:55:41 Actually, screw it. I'll watch the last 20 minutes of "God Bless America." 2013-06-28T00:57:04 so uh 2013-06-28T00:57:13 would anyone here be interested in an @nymrights.org email account? 2013-06-28T00:57:20 especially if it's hosted through google 2013-06-28T00:58:23 heh 2013-06-28T00:59:38 the idea being we can let people use gmail hosted through the nymrights system, which is umbrellad by MIT 2013-06-28T00:59:49 so we'll have our own names policy 2013-06-28T00:59:54 and google can't force us to change things 2013-06-28T01:00:01 it's kind of a "fuck you" to google 2013-06-28T01:05:02 I'm still curious about the asshat that complianed about your name. 2013-06-28T01:05:39 My account using the name "oddball ." still hasn't had anything happen to it. 2013-06-28T01:06:34 anyone got a kick pedal for a drum set? 2013-06-28T01:07:19 Just the plastic POS that came with Garage band. 2013-06-28T01:07:49 actually, that would probably work as the trigger for the high hat 2013-06-28T01:08:15 You should be able to find one for cheap if you troll the local pawn shops. 2013-06-28T01:08:47 yeah, probably try to look around this weekend, my trigger doesn't show up till monday. 2013-06-28T01:09:06 You don't want to use this thing for actual music stuff. It's known to break fairly easily. Suprised mine hasn't already. 2013-06-28T01:09:47 Oh... do we have fliers for Phreaknic? I'll be at Libertycon in Chattanooga this weekend. 2013-06-28T01:12:54 ok, movie done. I'm hitting the sack. 2013-06-28T01:15:44 aestetix_: I'll take one just to have it i the event I ever need it for anything :) 2013-06-28T01:16:51 oddball, jonny_X: I dont' have fliers. I can make something tonight though 2013-06-28T01:31:50 Bahhumbug: ok, I'll let you know when we have things set up. 2013-06-28T01:43:46 OH SHIT! 2013-06-28T01:43:54 I just had an idea that made me laugh so hard i'm coughing 2013-06-28T01:47:07 Oddball will need to snag the fliers from you, Evilpig. I'm heading down early in the morning to help with tech setup. 2013-06-28T01:48:43 np 2013-06-28T01:48:54 I've got one side done now just working the other side 2013-06-28T01:49:54 aestetix_: Thank you. 2013-06-28T01:49:59 jonny_X: good enough for one side? http://wilpig.org/temp/pn17-football.jpg 2013-06-28T01:51:12 That made me chuckle. 2013-06-28T01:52:02 it's supposed to 2013-06-28T01:52:51 :) 2013-06-28T01:55:24 well that was fun 2013-06-28T01:55:43 just finished Evangelion 2013-06-28T01:55:47 It made a lot more sense this time around. 2013-06-28T02:03:44 *** ZombieChicken has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2013-06-28T02:04:08 jonny_X: http://wilpig.org/temp/liberty-rattle.jpg 2013-06-28T02:06:21 *** ZombieChicken has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T02:06:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o ZombieChicken 2013-06-28T02:31:40 comments? http://wilpig.org/temp/PN17-Monkey-Fucking-A-Football-Flier-back.jpg 2013-06-28T02:32:22 poor rattle 2013-06-28T02:33:59 gonna print it and see how light the tissue box is. I might need to bring it forward a little more 2013-06-28T02:34:25 too much negative space on the left side too, I think 2013-06-28T02:47:37 *** v4mp has quit IRC () 2013-06-28T03:05:56 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T03:13:02 oddball, jonny_X: http://www.phreaknic.info/pn17/pn17-twosided-flier.pdf 2013-06-28T03:39:00 Evilpig: looks a little...made in 1995, but its funny, lol 2013-06-28T03:39:14 but it takes ocular ...like a full minute to render it 2013-06-28T03:39:32 is there something funky with the images in it? or something 2013-06-28T03:40:03 ohh, yeah, its ~5mb for 2 pages, thats a lot, lol 2013-06-28T03:41:49 yeah I didn't make adobe shrink it 2013-06-28T03:43:04 here i'll upload a reduced one 2013-06-28T03:46:42 vagina 2013-06-28T04:37:53 http://what-if.xkcd.com/3/ 2013-06-28T05:09:50 http://9gag.com/gag/aEww5OM 2013-06-28T06:44:22 *** mgalgoci has quit IRC (Quit: (Read error: Connection reset by peer)) 2013-06-28T07:44:56 *** rattleX has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T07:48:34 *** rattle has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-06-28T08:34:41 *** rattleX is now known as rattle 2013-06-28T08:34:47 *** rattle has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T08:34:47 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rattle 2013-06-28T08:35:08 Well, if I'm going to be a drag queen, that's the kinda drag queen to be I suppose. 2013-06-28T08:35:44 * RangerZ has no idea wtf rattle is talking about 2013-06-28T08:35:54 * RangerZ is not sure I want to know 2013-06-28T08:36:03 I need to plant a money tree 2013-06-28T08:37:15 aestetix_: let me know when I can get a sapling from that tree 2013-06-28T08:38:48 RangerZ: This one of the pig's creations.. http://wilpig.org/temp/liberty-rattle.jpg 2013-06-28T08:42:47 RangerZ: I really wish I could just opt out of social security 2013-06-28T08:42:58 aestetix_: why? 2013-06-28T08:43:11 Doesn't plan on living that long. 2013-06-28T08:43:17 its the only retirement system in the country that actually has any guarantee 2013-06-28T08:43:46 RangerZ: well, for one, I don't appreciate being enrolled in something I had no choice over :) 2013-06-28T08:43:47 401k, etc are just a scam to make us play casino 2013-06-28T08:44:03 I'll also be interested to see how well it's going in 20 years 2013-06-28T08:44:11 it'll be fine 2013-06-28T08:44:25 Also, I'm becoming disinterested in paying to keep the boomers alive, since they are fucking their children over 2013-06-28T08:44:28 after the tea party fad has died away 2013-06-28T08:44:46 just tax all income, not just the first 106k $ for each person 2013-06-28T08:44:59 and it lasts into the 2200s 2013-06-28T08:45:38 also, I don't really think I should need to present a reason to want to opt out 2013-06-28T08:46:07 I'm fine with paying taxes, those support police, etc 2013-06-28T08:46:15 then become a state employee 2013-06-28T08:46:23 hmm? 2013-06-28T08:46:23 state employees don't pay SS 2013-06-28T08:46:32 they have state retirement accounts 2013-06-28T08:46:32 really? 2013-06-28T08:46:43 in ohio at least 2013-06-28T08:46:45 OPERS 2013-06-28T08:46:54 ok that's interesting 2013-06-28T08:47:04 yeah, they get less $ on average 2013-06-28T08:47:07 what about federal employees? 2013-06-28T08:47:11 b/c of bad invesments 2013-06-28T08:47:15 federal do 2013-06-28T08:47:24 they actually get their benefits 2013-06-28T08:47:32 unlike state employees 2013-06-28T08:47:44 see for me, it's less about money 2013-06-28T08:47:48 and supporting vagrants, etc 2013-06-28T08:47:56 it's much more about the identity portion of it 2013-06-28T08:48:06 identity? 2013-06-28T08:48:18 A SSN is commonly used as an identifier 2013-06-28T08:48:25 yep 2013-06-28T08:48:29 And many people mistake it for a national ID number 2013-06-28T08:48:36 just accept your barcode and be happy 2013-06-28T08:48:44 lol 2013-06-28T08:48:49 actually we DO need a national ID card 2013-06-28T08:48:52 No. 2013-06-28T08:48:57 but thats another topic entirely 2013-06-28T08:48:59 Actually... why? 2013-06-28T08:49:23 why do I have to explain myself? I just feel it would bring us together as a nation 2013-06-28T08:49:25 LOL 2013-06-28T08:49:43 but seriously, because we're basically the only nation without one 2013-06-28T08:49:45 Because I'm fundamentally opposed to a national ID card, and want to hear why having one would be good 2013-06-28T08:50:17 because we're no longer a collection of 50 'nation states' , we're 1 nation ,and 50 crappy provinces 2013-06-28T08:50:27 federalism has won 2013-06-28T08:50:30 as it should 2013-06-28T08:50:40 Wow, you're a southerner saying this? 2013-06-28T08:50:46 fuck no 2013-06-28T08:50:51 i'm from NC 2013-06-28T08:50:57 and then OH 2013-06-28T08:51:06 both were part of the Union 2013-06-28T08:51:21 (after NC realized the war was going to be lost, etc) ;) 2013-06-28T08:51:22 Ah, fair enough. 2013-06-28T08:51:27 I just assume everyone here is from nashville :p 2013-06-28T08:51:34 i am IN nashville 2013-06-28T08:51:57 but thats because Vandy doesn't have a campus outside Nashville, lol 2013-06-28T08:52:26 I can already sense you're going to invoke the supremacy clause at me :p 2013-06-28T08:52:36 nah 2013-06-28T08:52:50 Because I usually counter that with.... is it the 14th amendment? 2013-06-28T08:52:52 the federal system does work 2013-06-28T08:52:57 see gay marriage 2013-06-28T08:53:12 and marijuana 2013-06-28T08:53:17 lolz 2013-06-28T08:53:27 eryc: i counter that with the upcoming lawsuits on gay marriage 2013-06-28T08:53:34 which will force all states to legalize it 2013-06-28T08:53:43 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T08:53:45 RangerZ: I view the US as a constantly battle between federal and state 2013-06-28T08:53:55 justice scalia even admitted that 2013-06-28T08:53:56 marriage is a religious institution and the state has no part in messing with it. it was a mistake to bring that into the tax code. 2013-06-28T08:54:00 The only national ID card we need is a passport, and we have it. 2013-06-28T08:54:00 Which in general I would say is a good thing 2013-06-28T08:54:08 RangerZ: right 2013-06-28T08:54:11 er, rattle 2013-06-28T08:54:22 aestetix_: so do i, which is generally a bad thing , b/c of "the south" etc 2013-06-28T08:54:37 hey rattle, what's liberty island like this time of year? 2013-06-28T08:54:38 Evilpig: marriage is good for the economy 2013-06-28T08:54:46 "lets get rid of voting rights act b/c the south has changed" 2013-06-28T08:54:51 umm... no... not it hasn't 2013-06-28T08:55:01 RangerZ: I admit I haven't read through the decision (yet) 2013-06-28T08:55:05 eryc: I agree that it is. but for the taxcode,etc we should have civil unions and not an institution based in the church 2013-06-28T08:55:07 paula deem or w/e her name is 2013-06-28T08:55:23 Evilpig: but we do have civil unions 2013-06-28T08:55:23 RangerZ: well I think that's less about racism and more about political correctness 2013-06-28T08:55:32 deen* 2013-06-28T08:55:36 Not saying n*gger doesn't make you not racist 2013-06-28T08:55:39 it just censors you 2013-06-28T08:55:58 Of course, there is an argument that that censorship is a good thing 2013-06-28T08:55:59 she should have said vagina 2013-06-28T08:56:02 haha 2013-06-28T08:56:09 that vagina put a gun to my head! 2013-06-28T08:56:21 rattle: so you going to come get your standee this year? 2013-06-28T08:56:21 see much better 2013-06-28T08:56:55 RangerZ: he has a more important job of welcoming immigrants in NY. ;) 2013-06-28T08:57:21 I have to admit 2013-06-28T08:57:23 the south fascinates me 2013-06-28T08:57:27 I guess I better get a quick shower and head over to get my oil changed 2013-06-28T08:57:38 It was the fucking bastion of american freedom until nixon fucked it up 2013-06-28T08:57:40 i've sufficiently broken the fuck out of what I was working on 2013-06-28T08:57:52 well, for white people, at least 2013-06-28T08:58:19 Evilpig: is that what the kids call it these days? 2013-06-28T08:59:00 not sure what else they would call it. a lube job maybe? it's been about 4000 miles I think 2013-06-28T08:59:23 kinky 2013-06-28T08:59:35 take pictures 2013-06-28T09:00:36 so tired 2013-06-28T09:00:40 hmm I should get shit together and submit a talk to phreaknic 2013-06-28T09:00:49 title: "what the kids are calling it these days" 2013-06-28T09:02:42 Evilpig: Well, now that immigration reform is happening especially! 2013-06-28T09:02:54 It's not clear yet if I can make it to PhreakNIC this year. 2013-06-28T09:03:29 that's not good. I might run out of jokes 2013-06-28T09:03:52 Somehow I doubt that. 2013-06-28T09:05:25 rattle: if you don't make PhreakNIC this year, you'll have to figure out what I'm going to do to your cutout the hard way 2013-06-28T09:05:39 also, you should bring that andrea chick 2013-06-28T09:06:12 Protip: Don't refer to the reporter is a "chick". :) 2013-06-28T09:06:34 rattle: yeah its interesting now that the gay stuff doesn't have to be in the bill, the gop have less and less to say about it 2013-06-28T09:06:36 lol 2013-06-28T09:06:38 Andrea would enjoy PhreakNIC, I'm sure. 2013-06-28T09:06:51 Oh, the GPO will live to fight another gay. 2013-06-28T09:06:55 rattle: girl? woman? 2013-06-28T09:06:58 yeah 2013-06-28T09:07:04 * rattle is proud of his pun. 2013-06-28T09:07:06 andrea mitchell, his g/f 2013-06-28T09:07:11 * aestetix_ backs off 2013-06-28T09:08:28 has anyone mocked skydick lately for lack of website? 2013-06-28T09:08:40 or more directly reuse of previous website 2013-06-28T09:09:08 *doesn't think websites have to change every year...* 2013-06-28T09:09:17 so, i'll leave that one alone 2013-06-28T09:09:43 Evilpig: also, i PMed jonny_X "Have you still got prizes in your room?" 2013-06-28T09:10:09 RangerZ: when you hardcode your dates into your graphics... yeah you need a new design 2013-06-28T09:10:17 RangerZ: that's changed 2013-06-28T09:10:25 Evilpig: There needs to be a reason to mock him? Can't he just be mocked for mocking's sake? 2013-06-28T09:10:45 it's generally better to mock with something tangible 2013-06-28T09:10:54 anyone, i'm out. bbl 2013-06-28T09:12:43 BOEHNER: "The House is not going to take up and vote on whatever the Senate passes" 2013-06-28T09:13:18 is it wrong of me to want it to get really close to passing 2013-06-28T09:13:33 rattle: so yes, get her to come 2013-06-28T09:13:44 but then the gop stop it, and then in 2014 the house flips b/c of all the minorities being that pissed off 2013-06-28T09:14:15 its like taking one for the team 2013-06-28T09:14:32 and it would get passed in 2015 anyways then, lol 2013-06-28T09:14:38 aestetix_: I'll mention it next time I talk to her. 2013-06-28T09:14:53 cool 2013-06-28T09:15:05 rattle: tell her about nymrights, actually 2013-06-28T09:15:14 if she wants to do a story on that, I'd like to chat with her 2013-06-28T09:16:12 You can reach out to her directly. You've met, it wouldn't be strange. 2013-06-28T09:16:38 msg me her info? 2013-06-28T09:20:47 wow 2013-06-28T09:21:01 reddit topic: what's the worst permanent life decision you've made 2013-06-28T09:21:02 "Cutting the majority of my penis off with scissors when I was about 4. I had chicken pox and my dick was so itchy that apparently I decided it was a good idea to just cut it off. I can't pee in urinals, I have to sit on the toilet and reach behind my back and pull my balls back to pee correctly. And yes I can still fap." 2013-06-28T09:21:21 ugh 2013-06-28T09:21:59 that makes me hurt 2013-06-28T09:22:04 guy just did the same thing b/c he was on shrooms in ohio 2013-06-28T09:23:14 I did the same thing. It was called getting married. 2013-06-28T09:23:24 rattle: you stopped getting laid after getting married? 2013-06-28T09:23:37 No, I can still fap. j/k 2013-06-28T09:23:53 Can't a guy be facetious around here? Shesh! 2013-06-28T09:24:42 lol 2013-06-28T09:50:21 *** jonnyx has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T09:51:02 *** jonny_X has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-06-28T09:59:02 wow 2013-06-28T09:59:04 this is amazing 2013-06-28T09:59:04 http://i.imgur.com/ApM0oMb.jpg 2013-06-28T09:59:05 nsfw 2013-06-28T09:59:15 that must have hurt a lot 2013-06-28T10:19:42 rattle donated his balls to the smithsonian after he said his vows. 2013-06-28T10:21:10 Actually, it was more like what happened to artifacts in Egypt. They were stolen, then later dedicated. 2013-06-28T10:21:20 Only it wasn't the British, it was the Chinese. 2013-06-28T10:21:33 rattle: did you experience mummification? 2013-06-28T10:21:39 All jokes aside, my balls are quite intact, thank you. 2013-06-28T10:22:11 they are just in a metal cage with the wife's lock on 'em 2013-06-28T10:22:26 TSA gives him hell 2013-06-28T10:31:36 aestetix_: that guy had better have a bananna bonner with curve 2013-06-28T10:31:45 other wise it wouldn't look right 2013-06-28T10:32:02 s/ / 2013-06-28T10:32:25 * rattle is very happy with his new workstation and all 24 of its cores. 2013-06-28T10:32:45 can i do that use substitute to remove a space? 2013-06-28T10:34:27 rattle: we all saw the pictures of your sex trophy. we agreed that your genetic material was worth replicating 2013-06-28T10:36:04 Synx|hm: s/\ // 2013-06-28T10:36:22 I use that on millicode all the time 2013-06-28T10:40:30 Evilpig: I am honored. 2013-06-28T10:40:33 Corydon76-home: http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/q71/1010246_10152949961495092_70246638_n.jpg 2013-06-28T10:40:36 http://imgur.com/gallery/LOAwgst 2013-06-28T10:42:20 Goddamnit 2013-06-28T10:42:45 Dagmar: did you smoke pot too? 2013-06-28T10:47:16 No. SOme fucktard broke both www4 nodes and I can't fix them because my fucking windows admin account expired 2013-06-28T10:59:11 Heh - that's really quite amusing. 2013-06-28T11:04:00 guess it's bedtime. night all 2013-06-28T11:32:21 *** x86Daddy has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T12:07:28 *** x86Daddy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-06-28T12:28:54 Someone fucked up large. 2013-06-28T12:29:16 Evilpig: Someone has made an E account using the name 'wilpig' 2013-06-28T12:29:45 They were active on the map this morning. 2013-06-28T12:42:46 betcha we know who it is 2013-06-28T12:48:43 you're on to me 2013-06-28T12:54:55 Corydon76-home: you around this afternoon? 2013-06-28T12:55:02 Yes 2013-06-28T12:55:06 more specifically available 2013-06-28T12:55:13 No 2013-06-28T12:55:15 for some asterisk question 2013-06-28T12:55:16 ok 2013-06-28T12:55:42 I'm rewriting a search engine to use a package that actually is maintained 2013-06-28T12:55:55 cool 2013-06-28T12:55:57 From Lucene to Lucy 2013-06-28T12:56:10 thats above my head 2013-06-28T12:57:10 You know, this is funny. 2013-06-28T12:57:32 I'm reading some academic papers on online identity, and discovering that my defined vocabulary is flying in the face of a large body of research 2013-06-28T12:57:52 That said, it's ok with me, because most of the research is wrong. 2013-06-28T12:59:19 Turning Republican, I see, aestetix_. 2013-06-28T12:59:23 lol 2013-06-28T12:59:31 rather than wrong, maybe "incomplete" 2013-06-28T12:59:57 If science doesn't agree with you, deny the science has legitimacy. 2013-06-28T13:00:17 I don't deny science itself, I am contesting their methodology :) 2013-06-28T13:01:15 *** Synx|hm has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2013-06-28T13:01:43 In other words, defining fundamental axioms when those axioms can actually be broken down way way deeper. The "scientists" are basically not analysing their theories deeply enough. 2013-06-28T13:20:02 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T14:01:22 What the hell is going on in here now? 2013-06-28T14:01:46 aestetix_: what are your scientific qualifications? 2013-06-28T14:03:48 Dickie: I ask questions :) 2013-06-28T14:04:46 Isn't that standard scientific methodology? 2013-06-28T14:04:51 yep! 2013-06-28T14:05:02 * Dickie rubs his temples 2013-06-28T14:08:02 Dickie: is that a good enough qualification for you? :) 2013-06-28T14:08:12 Nothing is good enough for me. 2013-06-28T14:08:18 Surely you understand the feeling. 2013-06-28T14:09:12 *** anarchival has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T14:10:12 Then why did you ask :p 2013-06-28T14:14:26 Nothing is good enough for Dickie. That's why he's married with kids 2013-06-28T14:18:28 Couldn't be less happy. 2013-06-28T14:21:51 *** x86Daddy has joined #se2600 2013-06-28T14:28:38 hey Dagmar I have a present for you 2013-06-28T14:28:39 http://mail.idecosystem.org/pipermail/standards_sc_idecosystem.org/2013-June/000897.html 2013-06-28T14:28:42 enjoy 2013-06-28T14:30:55 "Define 'bind'" 2013-06-28T14:31:22 LIke. that' 2013-06-28T14:31:39 That is the thing htat will completely fuck over this idea that identities need something bound to them 2013-06-28T14:31:46 Make them define what exactly "bind" means. 2013-06-28T14:31:53 Does it mean sufficient to prove a connection? 2013-06-28T14:32:05 Does it mean sufficient to disprove a connection to an unrelated entitty? 2013-06-28T14:32:26 Does it mean that looking at the credential uniquely identifies the identity associated with it? 2013-06-28T14:32:28 Dagmar: join the list 2013-06-28T14:32:57 I'm workibng on it 2013-06-28T14:33:05 well that list you can just join 2013-06-28T14:33:08 you don't have to send anything in 2013-06-28T14:33:15 Ohhh... Okay 2013-06-28T14:33:46 it is a mailman list :) 2013-06-28T14:33:52 Maybe someone should warn these people about me, but they'll figure it out 2013-06-28T14:34:33 I think this way is more fun. 2013-06-28T14:34:38 Then again, I'm a sadist. 2013-06-28T14:35:01 Nah. There is "stick", which is typically a non-edible material, and "non-stick" or "candy" which is edible of you're doing it wrong. 2013-06-28T14:35:04 wrong chan 2013-06-28T14:44:21 :( Asterisk is not responding to my sip client Invite messages, not even showing up in the CLI with debug logging however TCP dump shows the packets 2013-06-28T14:46:16 * opticron blames the configurator 2013-06-28T14:47:10 are the ports right? 2013-06-28T14:47:13 listening address? 2013-06-28T14:48:14 Dagmar: oh wow, I didn't realize that guy was with NIST 2013-06-28T14:48:24 So he does this IDESG shit for his day job. That is scary. 2013-06-28T14:55:22 Holy crap what a day. 2013-06-28T14:55:42 Someone just had a major seizure in the middle of the office. 2013-06-28T14:55:56 rattle: please tell me it was James Clapper 2013-06-28T14:56:12 No, it was a very nice woman in sales. 2013-06-28T15:04:23 yup, tcp dump on the asterisk box is fine 2013-06-28T15:15:44 well fuck me 2013-06-28T15:15:55 its Jitsi, asterisk doesn't like its INVITEs 2013-06-28T15:26:14 its all the codecs Jitsi is passing in SDP with the INVITE, if i turn off everything buy mu-law the invite gets responded to by Asterisk 2013-06-28T15:26:26 if i leave all the codecs on nogo 2013-06-28T15:41:28 uhhhh 2013-06-28T15:41:41 that doesn't make a lot of sense 2013-06-28T15:42:08 and asterisk should NEVER just ignore the INVITE 2013-06-28T15:42:57 agreed the folkes in #asterisk had no clue 2013-06-28T15:43:10 what version? 2013-06-28T15:43:46 11.4.0 2013-06-28T15:43:50 lates LTS 2013-06-28T15:43:56 yeah, that should be fine 2013-06-28T15:44:16 can you pastebin a working vs non-working invite from jitsi? 2013-06-28T15:44:22 sure 2013-06-28T15:44:25 hang on a sec 2013-06-28T15:44:27 sure 2013-06-28T15:44:37 have to get it from TCP dump as it doesnt show up in Asterisk at all with sip set debug on 2013-06-28T15:46:08 and there's nothing on the CLI even with verbosity/debug turned up? 2013-06-28T15:46:16 not when all the codecs are on 2013-06-28T15:46:21 weird 2013-06-28T15:46:55 http://pastebin.com/MKB0Vwr2 2013-06-28T15:46:58 theres a bad invite 2013-06-28T15:47:35 pffft, that's not even a lot of codecs 2013-06-28T15:47:49 * opticron sets it up in SIPp 2013-06-28T15:48:56 http://pastebin.com/fDnmUJLm good INVITE 2013-06-28T15:49:46 oh and btw in my sip.conf i turned on disallow=all and allow=ulaw but even without that nogo 2013-06-28T15:50:58 try leaving all the codecs on but turning off video 2013-06-28T15:51:11 on the jitsi side 2013-06-28T15:51:26 one sec 2013-06-28T15:54:26 sry im on like 4 phone calls right now haha 2013-06-28T15:54:57 yup 2013-06-28T15:54:58 its the video 2013-06-28T15:56:08 still, that shouldn't cause asterisk to completely ignore the invite 2013-06-28T15:58:09 you are correct 2013-06-28T16:01:21 by the time it gets to SDP parsing, it *should* be spitting something to the CLI 2013-06-28T16:01:28 do you have logger.conf setup properly? 2013-06-28T16:01:39 ack no idea 2013-06-28T16:01:41 hadn't touched it 2013-06-28T16:01:58 install the default one, then open it up and tack ",debug" to the end of the console line 2013-06-28T16:02:09 ok one sec 2013-06-28T16:05:58 you want me to go back into sip set debug on too? 2013-06-28T16:06:07 yep 2013-06-28T16:06:23 and "core set debug 5" 2013-06-28T16:06:27 k 2013-06-28T16:07:03 done see anything for the invite 2013-06-28T16:07:06 s/done/dont 2013-06-28T16:07:10 :/ 2013-06-28T16:07:22 I tried it on my end and I see a message 2013-06-28T16:07:35 you care to share the sip.conf? 2013-06-28T16:07:40 odd, with jitsi? 2013-06-28T16:07:44 sure one sec 2013-06-28T16:07:54 Synx|hm, that exact invite raw into the UDP socket 2013-06-28T16:07:57 so close enough 2013-06-28T16:08:14 *** K4k has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.4.0) 2013-06-28T16:08:25 oh haha 2013-06-28T16:08:34 ? 2013-06-28T16:08:48 that was in reponse to your response 2013-06-28T16:08:51