2013-06-26T00:47:13  <RangerZ> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/06/bus-co-owner-threatens-redditor-yet-again-records-users-ip-addresses
2013-06-26T00:47:14  <GateKeeper> Title: Bus co. owner threatens redditor yet again, records users IP addresses | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
2013-06-26T00:47:38  <RangerZ> cause... "....." ... yeah... I have no reason why they think is is a good idea
2013-06-26T01:08:53  <Dagmar> No... Neffi over in #WowUidev has an interesting theory about the rash of WoW account compromises
2013-06-26T01:08:57  <Dagmar> s/No/So/
2013-06-26T01:09:22  <Dagmar> It's likely peoples credentials were yoinked by Android malware
2013-06-26T01:17:45  <Evilpig> it is too damn hot to be outside messing with the air handlers
2013-06-26T01:47:22  <oddball> Dagmar: With the number of times that I've gotten notice that my long dorment WoW account has been hacked, I can only conclude that the vulnerabilities are on the server side.
2013-06-26T01:51:08  <Dagmar> RangerZ: He's logging IP addresses?  Seems to me the thing to do is for EVERYONE on Reddit to click on them
2013-06-26T01:51:14  <Dagmar> All one billion users.
2013-06-26T01:52:04  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-06-26T01:53:01  <RangerZ> so wow has been having a rash of account thefts?
2013-06-26T01:54:53  <Dagmar> They shut down the online AH interface because they're specifically related to that
2013-06-26T01:56:25  <Evilpig> wtf is wrong with the current whois database other than the fact that any registrar can currently hide who really owns a domain? http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/465895/icann_working_group_seeks_kill_whois/
2013-06-26T01:56:27  <GateKeeper> Title: ICANN working group seeks to kill WHOIS - ICANN, domain names - Computerworld (at www.computerworld.com.au)
2013-06-26T01:57:20  <Dagmar> Evilpig: Other than it's not machine parseable and only mainly serves as a way to let really stupid spammers annoy the fuck out of domain holders?
2013-06-26T01:57:57  <Evilpig> does it really need to be machine parseable?  are we doing 1000's of whois queries against domains for some ungodly reason?
2013-06-26T01:59:09  <Dagmar> It would have been handy today.
2013-06-26T02:03:26  <Bahhumbug> Much of the information that whois tracks, especially from APNIC and RIPE points, is not available except from their web pages and has been this way for a long time.
2013-06-26T02:03:53  <Bahhumbug> And the majority of users today have no clue how to use alternate searches.
2013-06-26T02:03:54  <Evilpig> agreed.  which is also why private registrations are hard to track
2013-06-26T02:04:11  <Bahhumbug> The whole private registration thing is idiotic.
2013-06-26T02:04:18  <Evilpig> a central repository would been very prone to abuse by LEA
2013-06-26T02:04:23  <Bahhumbug> And all this is going to get much worse with gTLDs
2013-06-26T02:04:25  <Evilpig> I agree with that as well
2013-06-26T02:04:48  <Evilpig> I've got all my registrations public.  always will be
2013-06-26T02:06:17  <Bahhumbug> I hate ICANN more and more every day.
2013-06-26T02:06:56  <Bahhumbug> It's irritating when various whois referal endpoint servers are unavailable when I need to pull domain  / netblock information but centralizing this is just going to a fucking trainwreck.
2013-06-26T02:13:19  <Dagmar> yeah well, they tried to mirror DNS functionality some time ago
2013-06-26T02:13:26  <Dagmar> failed _hard_
2013-06-26T02:33:35  <Bahhumbug> Jesus.  I just read the bus article above.  I fucking know that douchebag.  He was an ex-customer of mine at WWA back when he was running the bus line between Chicago and CU and was going out with a friend of mine until he started threatening her; it got to the point where I almost ball-batted his ribcage.
2013-06-26T02:33:43  <Bahhumbug> Nice to see he's still a fucking asshole.
2013-06-26T02:34:09  <Bahhumbug> I've not thought about Toeppen in years.  Thanks for that link.
2013-06-26T02:35:13  <Bahhumbug> s/was running/started running/
2013-06-26T02:43:21  <aestetix_> http://imgur.com/9cRqkg8
2013-06-26T02:43:22  <GateKeeper> Title: Im doing a project on stereotypes. I searched "black people with watermelon" and came across this. What a hair do. - Imgur (at imgur.com)
2013-06-26T02:43:25  <aestetix_> nsfw
2013-06-26T02:44:06  <Dickie> I see nothing strange about this.
2013-06-26T02:44:17  <Dickie> It's just two bros fuckin' a watermelon.
2013-06-26T02:44:26  <Dickie> You know, normal stuff.
2013-06-26T02:51:14  <aestetix_> http://imgur.com/Bk5tsg0
2013-06-26T02:51:15  <GateKeeper> Title: Yeah, I didnt want to pee anyway.. [NSFW] - Imgur (at imgur.com)
2013-06-26T02:51:17  <aestetix_> now that looks painful
2013-06-26T02:51:49  <Bahhumbug> Sigh, I need to fix the bot to ignore links from you.
2013-06-26T02:52:04  <aestetix_> that ink said nsfw in it
2013-06-26T02:55:04  <Evilpig> haha
2013-06-26T02:55:15  <Evilpig> the link did say nsfw
2013-06-26T02:55:25  <Evilpig> it did come from aestetix so I assume it's nsfl
2013-06-26T02:55:28  <aestetix_> haha
2013-06-26T03:01:38  <Evilpig> aestetix_: you're becoming virgil.  are you trying to get on a reality tv show too?
2013-06-26T03:04:26  <Bahhumbug> I don't want my poor bot to have to look at such things.  It's mean.  She's a gentle soul.
2013-06-26T03:04:37  <Bahhumbug> And I sure as fuck don't want her logged doing it :)
2013-06-26T03:08:21  <Evilpig> gentle soul my ass
2013-06-26T03:08:24  <Evilpig> you just don't want the logs
2013-06-26T03:08:37  <Evilpig> it's bad enough they already saw the link in here and you're associated with it
2013-06-26T03:13:47  <Bahhumbug> @fire Evilpig
2013-06-26T03:13:47  * GateKeeper sets fire to Evilpig with the flames of a thousand suns
2013-06-26T03:13:52  <Bahhumbug> Ok, so she's not quite so gentle.
2013-06-26T03:15:19  <Evilpig> Just got a call from VUPD about that armed robbery at CVS
2013-06-26T03:21:27  <RangerZ> Bahhumbug: glad to be of service to remind of you assholes
2013-06-26T03:22:51  <Bahhumbug> I regret not crushing his ribcage.  You.  Do.  Not.  Threaten.  Women.  With.  Physical.  Injury.
2013-06-26T03:23:10  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-06-26T03:23:30  <Bahhumbug> I may be "shady" but there are certain things you just don't do.
2013-06-26T03:23:37  <RangerZ> i have a joke that i tell, "i only hit women on their ass, and only when they ask for it"
2013-06-26T03:23:40  <RangerZ> lol
2013-06-26T03:25:00  <Bahhumbug> Whatever two people are into is their business; raising a fist to someone, man or women, cause you just got dumped?  Fuck that.
2013-06-26T03:25:07  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-06-26T03:25:36  <RangerZ> I almost beat my cousin's ass last time I saw him, b/c he was just 'saying' he would slap his g/f
2013-06-26T03:25:58  <Bahhumbug> Breaking his ribs wouldn't have changed anything - he'd still be a douchebag and I would have gone to jail.  But still, it would have been worth it I think.
2013-06-26T03:26:22  <RangerZ> reddit would give you a medal now, lol
2013-06-26T03:27:11  <Bahhumbug> Just what I always wanted!!!111oneoneone
2013-06-26T03:27:22  <Bahhumbug> Think there was enough sarcasm on that?
2013-06-26T03:27:29  <RangerZ>  just enough
2013-06-26T03:27:33  <RangerZ> you did it perfectly
2013-06-26T03:29:00  <Bahhumbug> Excellent!
2013-06-26T03:29:20  <Bahhumbug> Someone needs to convince me to go to Phreaknic this year.
2013-06-26T03:29:27  <Bahhumbug> I need a reason to drive to the 'boro.
2013-06-26T03:29:39  <Evilpig> I offered you liquor last year
2013-06-26T03:29:50  <Evilpig> We'll offer you one free night with RangerZ this year.  how about that?
2013-06-26T03:30:03  <Evilpig> I hear he puts out on the first date if you liquor him up
2013-06-26T03:30:08  <RangerZ> Or Evilpig's anal virginity
2013-06-26T03:30:21  <RangerZ> well... 'almost' virginity
2013-06-26T03:30:28  <Evilpig> RangerZ: I lost that to a woman in a lead vest when I was 9
2013-06-26T03:30:40  <RangerZ> the ex had a toy she wanted to use
2013-06-26T03:30:50  <Evilpig> I was told I was slightly radioactive for a few years after that or something to that effect as well
2013-06-26T03:31:16  <Bahhumbug> This is not convincing me to go.
2013-06-26T03:31:22  <Bahhumbug> I know!
2013-06-26T03:31:29  <Bahhumbug> Let's invite Mercster!
2013-06-26T03:31:35  * Bahhumbug ducks down and hides
2013-06-26T03:31:40  * Evilpig slaps Bahhumbug across the face
2013-06-26T03:31:42  <Evilpig> that's one
2013-06-26T03:31:54  <RangerZ> ok, all kidding aside, are you being serious ? b/c you'd have had luckemia or something to get that as a real medical condition
2013-06-26T03:32:04  <Evilpig> yes very serious
2013-06-26T03:32:23  <Evilpig> I had my bowels filled with some kind of slightly radioactive dye that shows up on xrays
2013-06-26T03:32:41  <RangerZ> yeah, medical imaging dye
2013-06-26T03:32:58  <Evilpig> the intitial probe they used broke part way into the proceedure so I got penetrated a second time by a much worse one that was metal
2013-06-26T03:33:50  <Evilpig> afterwich I had to waddle to the toilet while clenching my cheeks so I didn't spew everywhere, which had already happened when the thing broke and soaked my gown which led to be laying there naked with nothing but a towel over my junk for the duration
2013-06-26T03:33:51  <Bahhumbug> @quote add <@Evilpig> the intitial probe they used broke part way into the proceedure so I got penetrated a second time by a much worse one that was metal
2013-06-26T03:33:51  <GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command  Quote #31 added.
2013-06-26T03:33:58  <Bahhumbug> I had to do that.
2013-06-26T03:34:03  <Bahhumbug> I know you'll understand.
2013-06-26T03:34:05  <Evilpig> not one of my fonder memories
2013-06-26T03:34:11  <Evilpig> yeah I know.
2013-06-26T03:34:21  <Bahhumbug> Yeah, that doesn't sound like a lot of fun.
2013-06-26T03:34:41  <Bahhumbug> @quote remove 31
2013-06-26T03:34:41  <GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: By your command
2013-06-26T03:34:43  <RangerZ> yeah that makes my 500+ needle allergy shot test at age 8 suck a little less
2013-06-26T03:34:46  <Bahhumbug> It's gone.
2013-06-26T03:35:06  <Bahhumbug> My wife went through that at a young age as well.  That's not a lot of fun, either.
2013-06-26T03:35:10  <Evilpig> doesn't bother me one way or the other.  it happened.  I hate doctors, I refuse any and all probes of my anus now
2013-06-26T03:35:27  <Bahhumbug> I've not been to a real doctor in years.
2013-06-26T03:35:47  <Bahhumbug> Last time I went they had me shitting bricks for days because they told me I had TB.
2013-06-26T03:36:04  <Evilpig> It takes alot to make me go but i'll go
2013-06-26T03:36:05  <Bahhumbug> Turned out their xray machine was fux0red.
2013-06-26T03:36:09  <Bahhumbug> I won't.
2013-06-26T03:36:25  <Bahhumbug> My ex-sister-in-law is an LPN; I don't need anything past that.
2013-06-26T03:37:16  <RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrQ0qMRZ_1Q
2013-06-26T03:37:17  <GateKeeper> Title: The 300 Series: The Next Generation is Now - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2013-06-26T03:37:22  <Evilpig> heh.  I can call my aunt, uncle, or sister.  They're all nurses.  if I need drugs to the doc I go though
2013-06-26T03:37:32  <RangerZ> so apparently this is 'in engine' and 'in game art assets'
2013-06-26T03:37:54  <RangerZ> makes all the shit we saw at E3 look like mid 90s games
2013-06-26T03:37:55  <RangerZ> lol
2013-06-26T03:37:58  <Bahhumbug> Heh, Lisa's an LPN - she's got 'script pad.
2013-06-26T03:42:19  <Evilpig> The grad student and a friend were sitting at the bus stop at 17th Ave South and Edgehill Ave, when a black male approached them, pointed a handgun at them and demanded money. The student and his friend stated that they did not have any money.  The three then walked to the CVS Pharmacy located at 21st Ave. S. and Scarritt Pl. to withdraw money from an ATM inside the store. When the student and his friend entered the pharmacy, the suspect stayed outside. They to
2013-06-26T03:42:26  <Evilpig> The suspect is described as black male, approximately 18-20 years of age, 5’10-5’11, 140 lbs, wearing a  blue/white plaid hoody, gray or light color jeans, Nike athletic shoes. He was last seen running down the alley between 19th Ave. S. and 21st Ave. S.
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2013-06-26T04:08:32  <RangerZ> ok
2013-06-26T04:08:53  <RangerZ> thank god he was... but wtf... how stupid do you have to be to think the guys in the cvs wouldn't call the cops, etc
2013-06-26T04:11:32  <aestetix_> I scroll up and see people talking about Evilpig's anal virginity.
2013-06-26T04:14:22  <Evilpig> aestetix_: you missed it many years ago
2013-06-26T04:21:10  <aestetix_> One night at PhreakNIC?
2013-06-26T04:21:40  <Evilpig> that'd be a less embarrassing story
2013-06-26T04:23:25  <aestetix_> Something about a flute?
2013-06-26T04:24:24  <Evilpig> nope.  you've got scrollback, whore
2013-06-26T04:49:22  <Evilpig> mongo out: 3:49a
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2013-06-26T05:41:26  <aestetix_> vagina
2013-06-26T05:41:58  <aestetix_> Evilpig: wow, that guy must be incredibly stupid
2013-06-26T05:45:26  <Evilpig> aestetix_: he isn't exactly bright
2013-06-26T06:00:20  <Evilpig> Mongo has returned
2013-06-26T06:00:45  <Evilpig> wow... lunch is now an hour and 10 minutes.  creepin on up there
2013-06-26T06:15:07  <aestetix_> how long does he get?
2013-06-26T06:27:14  <aestetix_> oh wow I didn't realize DragonCon and PhreakNIC are so close together
2013-06-26T06:43:53  <aestetix_> I wonder how many silly nym-pun titles I can come up with for talks
2013-06-26T06:47:52  <Evilpig> 30 min
2013-06-26T06:58:33  <Bahhumbug> heh.  Is he just trying to get fired to collect unemployment or something?
2013-06-26T06:58:53  <Bahhumbug> Of course, for all his shit he'd just get terminated for cause.
2013-06-26T07:02:36  <Evilpig> He can't get fired when the boss refuses to acknowledge it as an issue
2013-06-26T07:03:03  <Evilpig> to me he's lieing on his timesheet which is a firable offense around here but getting the boss to look into it is impossible
2013-06-26T07:10:50  <Evilpig> and here's the best part.  he just got his lunch out of his desk and is headed to the breakroom to put it in the fridge
2013-06-26T07:31:35  <Evilpig> and mongo is gone again.  this time after getting a phone call from ed.
2013-06-26T07:31:44  <Evilpig> no clue where the fucker is, don't care either though
2013-06-26T07:36:34  <aestetix_> on a whim I just started watching evangelion
2013-06-26T07:36:39  <aestetix_> I haven't seen that series in 12 years
2013-06-26T07:36:47  <aestetix_> makes a lot more sense now
2013-06-26T07:39:55  <Bahhumbug> It's not just a fireable offense but it is quite likely considered as fraud as well.
2013-06-26T07:40:03  <Evilpig> evangelion!  I've been trying to think of that damn name since I saw the preview for pacific rim
2013-06-26T07:40:43  <Evilpig> aestetix_: if you have the time to sit through it I still say Lain: Serial Experiments is one of the best
2013-06-26T07:42:27  <aestetix_> heh
2013-06-26T07:42:35  <aestetix_> Evilpig: I also saw Lain 12 years ago
2013-06-26T07:42:41  <aestetix_> Actually I think I saw lain closer to 10 years ago
2013-06-26T07:42:48  <aestetix_> and yes, it is one of the best
2013-06-26T07:44:31  <aestetix_> There was once a time when I was a bored college student and able to sit around for long periods of time doing nothing but watching anime
2013-06-26T07:44:36  <aestetix_> And now I'm a bored sysadmin... :p
2013-06-26T07:46:38  <Evilpig> you can work on the UI for openDCIM
2013-06-26T07:46:45  <aestetix_> fuck no
2013-06-26T07:46:57  <Evilpig> why the fuck not? you said you were bored
2013-06-26T07:47:15  <aestetix_> dude I have like 26 episodes of this cartoon to watch
2013-06-26T07:48:52  <Evilpig> but there's javascript to taint
2013-06-26T07:49:20  <aestetix_> One thing I did not notice 12 years ago
2013-06-26T07:49:31  <aestetix_> There are diagrams of the sephiroth in Evangelion's opening credits
2013-06-26T07:49:35  <aestetix_> which makes it very interseting to me
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2013-06-26T08:56:01  <aestetix_> so, I am now facing a telltale sign of "getting old"
2013-06-26T08:56:08  <aestetix_> I need to get glasses :/
2013-06-26T09:02:52  <Evilpig> so i've been old since I was 12?
2013-06-26T09:04:03  <opticron> same
2013-06-26T09:04:10  <opticron> probably younger
2013-06-26T09:04:13  <opticron> 8ish
2013-06-26T09:04:21  <opticron> my eyes are shit
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2013-06-26T09:15:17  <aestetix_> haha
2013-06-26T10:03:05  <RangerZ> doma just got struck down
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2013-06-26T10:16:14  <Bahhumbug> About fucking time those idiots ruled sanely on something.
2013-06-26T10:25:59  <aestetix_> oh wow
2013-06-26T10:26:06  <aestetix_> that ruling is going to make a lot of my friends happy
2013-06-26T10:26:29  <Bahhumbug> Good :)
2013-06-26T10:26:46  <aestetix_> including my cousin, who is getting married in new york next month
2013-06-26T10:26:51  <aestetix_> to her partner
2013-06-26T10:27:09  <Bahhumbug> Good :)
2013-06-26T10:34:15  <aestetix_> also, vagina
2013-06-26T10:35:40  <aestetix_> no "Good :)" for that?
2013-06-26T10:39:15  <Mirage_> Finally I see something posted to Twitter that I actually agree with:
2013-06-26T10:39:19  <Mirage_> Oh god, they are actually making Taken 3. At what point does this guy finally say "Fuck it, you can keep them."?  I feel like at this point it would be less of a hassle just to remarry and raise a whole new kid.
2013-06-26T10:39:35  <Mirage_> That's a comment I can really get behind.
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2013-06-26T10:40:21  <Dickie> looking forward to reading the dissenting opinion on the DOMA case
2013-06-26T10:40:51  <Bahhumbug> RangerZ: The appeal to toss out Prop-8 in Cali was just dismissed by the Court as well.
2013-06-26T10:41:00  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-06-26T10:41:02  <RangerZ> watching
2013-06-26T10:41:12  <Bahhumbug> It's a good day for America.
2013-06-26T10:41:22  <RangerZ> yes/no
2013-06-26T10:41:29  <RangerZ> voting rights act is still HUGE
2013-06-26T10:41:55  <Bahhumbug> That was yesterday; this is today.  I'll consider today a win.
2013-06-26T10:42:13  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-06-26T10:42:23  <Bahhumbug> (I am not downplaying the voting rights act fiasco in any way, however - you're right, it's huge and it sucks.)
2013-06-26T10:42:44  <Bahhumbug> But with the current bench I'll take what I can get when I can get it and be happy.
2013-06-26T10:43:00  <aestetix_> The current bench seems to kind of resemble /dev/urandom
2013-06-26T10:43:08  <Bahhumbug> hahaha
2013-06-26T10:43:48  <RangerZ> nope
2013-06-26T10:43:51  <RangerZ> not random at all
2013-06-26T10:44:07  <RangerZ> 5 conservatives and 4 liberals, and 2 of the conservatives are willing to cross over
2013-06-26T10:44:25  <aestetix_> ok, pseudo-random
2013-06-26T10:44:33  <Dickie> Why are they harping about jurisdiction?
2013-06-26T10:44:38  <RangerZ> so 1/3 of america has gay marriage (or will in weeks)
2013-06-26T10:44:58  <Bahhumbug> DOMA was not tossed out in its entirety, parts still stand.  But the federal benefits thing is big and sets a good precedent for a change.
2013-06-26T10:50:32  <aestetix_> well this is fucked up
2013-06-26T10:50:52  <aestetix_> The facebook security vulnerability apparently also affects people without a facebook account
2013-06-26T10:50:56  <aestetix_> http://www.zdnet.com/firm-facebook-bug-worse-than-reported-non-users-also-affected-7000017318/
2013-06-26T10:50:58  <GateKeeper> Title: Firm: Facebook bug worse than reported; non-users also affected | ZDNet (at www.zdnet.com)
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2013-06-26T11:26:06  <jonnyx> Funny pic my mom showed me: (caption on top, over image of tea party protesters holding 'impeach the marxist muslim' signs) "Don't worry, silly bigots, you'll have a white president again soon." (caption on bottom, under a pic of Hillary Clinton) ":)"
2013-06-26T11:39:05  <Dagmar> We should probably start a "Racist Moron Recycling Program"
2013-06-26T11:44:31  <RangerZ> oh damn it
2013-06-26T11:44:35  <RangerZ> i didn't watch fox news
2013-06-26T11:44:41  <RangerZ> i should have turned it on to see them cry
2013-06-26T11:44:58  <RangerZ> so apparently there are skype bots going around now too
2013-06-26T11:45:05  <RangerZ> friend's work is getting hit hard with them
2013-06-26T11:52:36  <RangerZ> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130622/22485623584/leaked-document-shows-eu-approach-to-cybercrime-is-completely-misguided.shtml
2013-06-26T11:52:37  <GateKeeper> Title: Leaked Document Shows EU Approach To Cybercrime Is Completely Misguided | Techdirt (at www.techdirt.com)
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2013-06-26T17:23:26  <aestetix_> it's amazing how much government people will argue about bullet points on a proposal for a project that has no chance of getting implemented in the first place
2013-06-26T17:24:23  <aestetix_> this is an actual sentence from an email I got
2013-06-26T17:24:25  <aestetix_> "We may need to establish some criteria for what qualifies as a reportable issue, but I'm hoping we can avoid having to generate a lot of detailed procedures."
2013-06-26T17:25:27  <aestetix_> Trying to set up procedures for how to handle issues, someone realized that nobody was clear on what an "issue" is
2013-06-26T17:26:04  <aestetix_> and each time a procedure is defined, it's given a wordy formal name, and of course it's referred to by the acronym for that name
2013-06-26T17:43:44  <Dagmar> Super awesome
2013-06-26T17:44:08  <aestetix_> Dagmar: you mean SA
2013-06-26T17:44:14  <Dagmar> Our apache-ldap issue appars to be bugs in the authnz_ldap module that are not pressent in the auth_ldap module.
2013-06-26T17:44:29  <aestetix_> also, given that someone said awsome before, your comment is actually SA-2
2013-06-26T17:57:41  <aestetix_> http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/article/1268819/hong-kong-minister-rejects-us-accusations-deliberately-delaying
2013-06-26T17:59:34  <Dagmar> Man they're kidding themselves
2013-06-26T17:59:58  <Dagmar> China has been treating bureacracy as an art form since before the US was even formed.
2013-06-26T18:01:14  <Dagmar> They can literally stonewall for _years_
2013-06-26T18:01:48  <Dagmar> Afaik he actually applied for refugee status, which currently has a backlog of a year and a half and completely blocks extradition attempts until that has been reviewed.
2013-06-26T18:03:08  <Dagmar> I doubt China even views this as stonewalling, since the DoJ hasn't even managed to fill out the forms correctly.
2013-06-26T18:03:33  <aestetix_> speaking of technicalities
2013-06-26T18:03:54  <aestetix_> if the ecuador embassy picked up snowden from the airport and drove him to their building
2013-06-26T18:04:15  <aestetix_> since he never legally went through border patrol, could russia still say he was technically in the legal bounds of the airport?
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2013-06-26T19:06:16  <notlarry> Ok, I need some sushi.
2013-06-26T19:38:16  <Corydon76-home> I'm predicting that Snowden eventually sneaks back into the country, and they find him in 40 years living in suburbia with a wife and kids.
2013-06-26T19:40:24  <Dagmar> He could probably stay in China for years with the way they're throwing up roadblocks for extradition
2013-06-26T19:40:46  <Dagmar> ...but considering the recent "exploding reporter" incident, it's probably best he not be in any specific place people know about right now.
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2013-06-26T20:21:10  <Synx|hm> Corydon76-home: you familiar with converting files in asterisk, or better yet a good batch tool to convert from wave to G711U and G729, i know and have done it on my asterisk server been need to be able to do it from windows without jumping through the terrible hoops of compiling asterisk in cygwin
2013-06-26T20:21:51  <Corydon76-home> You're not going to be able to batch convert with g729, since it's a patent-encumbered codec
2013-06-26T20:23:35  <Corydon76-home> That said, you can script Asterisk with "asterisk -rx 'cli command here'"
2013-06-26T20:23:51  <Synx|hm> actually i, perhaps wrongly, found a free g729 codec for asterisk and did a shell script using -rx
2013-06-26T20:24:21  <Synx|hm> i was just curious if you knew of a OSS or shareware software for win that might do similar
2013-06-26T20:24:44  <Synx|hm> i tried audacity on some 711u files and it kept inducing some terrible clicking that was only noticable if you played the files back to back
2013-06-26T20:25:01  <Synx|hm> http://imgur.com/a/UDICw/noscript OMG SO CUTE
2013-06-26T20:25:02  <GateKeeper> Title: Ruptured Air Sac - Update - Imgur (at imgur.com)
2013-06-26T20:25:18  <Synx|hm> its picture of a baby bird btw
2013-06-26T20:25:24  <Synx|hm> SFW but it does look a bit like a penis in some photos
2013-06-26T20:25:50  <Corydon76-home> That supposedly free codec is licensed for academic use only
2013-06-26T20:26:36  <Corydon76-home> If you use it commercially without paying a licensing fee ($10 per concurrent license from Digium), you can be on the hook for hundreds of thousands of dollars.
2013-06-26T20:27:17  <Synx|hm> yikes good to know, i played with it for fun for personal use but was about to use it to convert work files
2013-06-26T20:27:20  <Synx|hm> ill pay the license fee
2013-06-26T20:28:20  <Corydon76-home> Yeah, $10 is really a no-brainer in terms of licensing fees
2013-06-26T20:28:37  <Corydon76-home> Or you can wait until the end of 2014, when the last patent on the codec expires
2013-06-26T20:29:04  <Synx|hm> agreed, i have no desire to cheat someone of their money
2013-06-26T20:29:19  <Synx|hm> though if it were only for personal use id just skip it
2013-06-26T20:29:46  <Synx|hm> 7:30 and the people in the room next to me a banging HARD
2013-06-26T20:32:43  <Dagmar> Reasonable flat licencing terms and low cost?  Fuckin' TAKE my money
2013-06-26T20:37:00  <Synx|hm> so, is it even remotly possible to get old PGP public keys off of keyservers?  I was stupid enough in the early 2000's to not set expiration to my keys
2013-06-26T20:37:25  <Synx|hm> ofcourse i do not have the private keys anymore, or at least have no idea where the backups might be
2013-06-26T20:38:23  <Dagmar> Nope.
2013-06-26T20:38:31  <Dagmar> I've got a few out there muself
2013-06-26T20:39:48  <Corydon76-home> Sure, you can get public keys off the key servers.  But without the private keys, they won't do you much good.
2013-06-26T20:40:15  <Synx|hm> you know what just struck me too, its easy to track all my old and current email accounts with all these damn keys haha
2013-06-26T20:40:26  <Synx|hm> damn it Corydon76-home  you know what i ment
2013-06-26T20:40:30  <Synx|hm> revoke the certs
2013-06-26T20:42:39  <Corydon76-home> No, certs are irrevocable once they're posted
2013-06-26T20:43:18  <Corydon76-home> That's the whole point of a public keyserver; you don't want anybody else to be able to make your keys disappear (and possibly substitute their own)
2013-06-26T20:44:00  <Synx|hm> ya i know, just bugs me a bit
2013-06-26T20:44:16  <Corydon76-home> and the keys should all expire on their own by default.  I don't think you can create public keys without an expiration date
2013-06-26T20:44:20  <Synx|hm> that all these old certs are out there for me
2013-06-26T20:44:38  <Corydon76-home> You need to keep better backups in the future
2013-06-26T20:44:57  <Corydon76-home> So you don't lose your private keys
2013-06-26T20:44:58  <Synx|hm> Corydon76-home: all mine say nothing for expiration, in GnuPG today i created a new cert for work and had to specifically turn on expiration
2013-06-26T20:45:02  <Synx|hm> oh ya
2013-06-26T20:45:32  <Synx|hm> ya young and stupid and i had no idea what PGP was for the first few keys i posted haha
2013-06-26T20:45:57  <Corydon76-home> I only ever created PGP keys when I actually needed them
2013-06-26T20:46:07  <Corydon76-home> and thus, I still have those keys
2013-06-26T20:46:18  <Synx|hm> that whould have been the ideal way to do it eh
2013-06-26T20:46:58  <Synx|hm> god damn it, gnupg uploaded my new key on its own wtf
2013-06-26T20:47:34  <Corydon76-home> That's SOP
2013-06-26T20:48:07  <Synx|hm> shrug at least i set an expiration for this one, when the keys expire do they drop off the keyserver?
2013-06-26T20:49:14  <Corydon76-home> No, they remain there in perpetuity
2013-06-26T20:49:46  <Corydon76-home> They need to, so you can verify old messages and signatures
2013-06-26T20:49:54  <Corydon76-home> Or rather, so others can.
2013-06-26T20:50:44  <Synx|hm> oh duh
2013-06-26T20:56:30  <Synx|hm> Corydon76-home: you said something about Tor the other day where an attacker would have to control the first (closest to you) node to be able to really attack, not sure if thats what you said/ment or just what i understood
2013-06-26T20:57:24  <Corydon76-home> In the case of Tor, that's correct.  If the initial node to which you connect is compromised, then Tor offers you no anonymity
2013-06-26T20:57:46  <Synx|hm> im curious why it was the first node only, i assume before i ever connect to any node ive gotten each nodes public key ahead of time so node one or 2 shouldn't be able to see anything or have any idea where im going
2013-06-26T20:58:06  <Synx|hm> or is it that i connect to node one and then negotiate a key with node 2
2013-06-26T20:58:21  <Synx|hm> so node 1 could hijack
2013-06-26T21:00:22  <Corydon76-home> Because if node 1 is compromised, they know who you are simply based upon how you're connecting to them
2013-06-26T21:01:05  <Synx|hm> yes but they dont know where you are going correct?
2013-06-26T21:01:07  <Corydon76-home> Beyond that point, due to the procotol, even if 99% of the nodes were compromised, it would do them no good
2013-06-26T21:02:17  <Synx|hm> everyone in the world including node 1 knows you are connecting to them, i thought the point was that beyond that it was very hard to figure out where you exited, timing attacks and other special attacks aside
2013-06-26T21:03:21  <Corydon76-home> The only reason other nodes don't know where you're going is that you're anonymized from the point of the connection forward.  All that nodes 2-n know is what node connected to them.
2013-06-26T21:03:55  <Synx|hm> yes but i thought all node 1 knows is that ive connected to it and ive got encrypted traffic for node 2
2013-06-26T21:04:06  <Synx|hm> it doesn't know who node 3 is though
2013-06-26T21:11:13  <Dagmar> All you need to know is that node 3 was carefully selected and deployed in a datacenter somewhere that compies with NSA regulations for redundancy and automatic failover to ensure continuous availability to four nines.
2013-06-26T21:12:21  <Synx|hm> ha
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2013-06-26T21:13:59  <Dagmar> I'll know when the NSA makes a move on Sprint because 4G will actually start working reliably
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2013-06-26T21:15:37  <Corydon76-home> Synx|hm: in many cases, though, the government simply knowing that you're connecting to a Tor service is all they really need to know to either a) compromise your machine, or b) in the case of the Chinese government, go ahead and preemptively arrest you
2013-06-26T21:16:12  <Dagmar> ...or in the case of the NSA, log your traffic indefinitely until such time as they find the keys to look at it.
2013-06-26T21:16:32  <Corydon76-home> So it's important to hide that you're connecting to Tor, by ensuring that the first node is not compromised
2013-06-26T21:17:21  <Dagmar> Since we're still racing against brute force attacks in a matter than dictates a machine built next year will actually win against a machine built last year, even with the two-year lead, they just store everything and probably utilize a lead pipe technique to compromise the keys
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2013-06-26T21:27:31  <Synx|hm> im still confused Corydon76-home, by node 1 are we talking a Tor Node or some sort of vpn first, any connection to a Tor node 1 directly from your IP is highly likely to be easily identifiable as Tor as there is a public listing of tor nodes
2013-06-26T21:28:29  <Synx|hm> so no matter if node 1 is compromised or not your ISP, the NSA with taps, and anyother asshole who routes and logs your traffic on its way to Node 1 knows you are connected and routing on or over Tor
2013-06-26T21:29:09  <Synx|hm> even if node 1 is attempting to break Tor they still have no idea who the 3rd node is in the chain
2013-06-26T21:29:16  <Corydon76-home> and if they're able to retrieve your keys at a later date, you're hosed.
2013-06-26T21:29:33  <Synx|hm> oh maybe i should ask the NSA for my PGP key backups
2013-06-26T21:30:30  <Corydon76-home> It's unlikely they'd have it
2013-06-26T21:30:52  <Corydon76-home> especially if you lost your keys more than 5 years ago
2013-06-26T21:31:13  <Synx|hm> ya
2013-06-26T21:31:23  <Corydon76-home> You're probably better off just generating new keys
2013-06-26T21:31:48  <Corydon76-home> and to be quite honest, the NSA probably isn't interested in you... or me... or really, anybody in this channel
2013-06-26T21:32:13  <RangerZ> well me
2013-06-26T21:32:21  <RangerZ> but i work for DARPA project
2013-06-26T21:32:36  <Corydon76-home> That's the big caveat about all the NSA spying.  Yes, they could watch your every move, but really, you're not that important.
2013-06-26T21:32:38  <RangerZ> but I have nothing to hide, so I don't care about snooping on me
2013-06-26T21:32:46  <RangerZ> ;)
2013-06-26T21:32:48  <Synx|hm> possible
2013-06-26T21:33:01  <RangerZ> *makes aestetix_ cringe at that statement*
2013-06-26T21:33:26  <Corydon76-home> The big thing you have to realize is that with all this data collection, managing that data is a bear.  This was COMPLETELY true, even in 2001.
2013-06-26T21:34:08  <Corydon76-home> We ACTUALLY had enough information to prevent the 9/11 attacks in 2001.  We could've prevented those attacks.  Why didn't we?  Because we had a massive backlog.  Too much information.
2013-06-26T21:34:56  <Corydon76-home> Yes, the NSA can log everything on the Internet, but unless they trash the information about people they don't care about, they're never going to get to the good stuff when it will matter.
2013-06-26T21:35:27  <RangerZ> too much noise to signal ratio
2013-06-26T21:36:12  <Corydon76-home> That's the problem.  We all are noise.  We can drop keywords and maybe make the NSA's job more difficult, but at the end of the day, we're chaff, not signal
2013-06-26T21:45:34  <eryc> heh
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2013-06-26T22:52:51  <Dagmar> So on the "letters from Comcast" fron, I just opened the thing I got last week from "Xfinity" which turns out to be a letter telling me there's been a billing error and they are going to start charging me rental fees for my cablemodem (which I own) and for the EMTA for the phone service I don't have.
2013-06-26T22:52:56  <Dagmar> Fuckers.
2013-06-26T22:54:56  <RangerZ> yeah, i'm dropping comcast entirely except for just internet
2013-06-26T22:55:01  <RangerZ> and buying my own modem
2013-06-26T22:55:05  <RangerZ> b/c this shit is fucked
2013-06-26T22:55:22  <RangerZ> not sure what model "modem" i should buy though
2013-06-26T22:58:21  <Dagmar> Motorola SB6xxx series
2013-06-26T22:58:25  <Dagmar> Supports IPv6.
2013-06-26T23:02:48  <RangerZ> so what does " eight downstream channels and four upstream channels " vs 4:4 channels ....actually... mean
2013-06-26T23:11:59  <RangerZ> so Dagmar i have 2 drive in theaters back home
2013-06-26T23:12:24  <RangerZ> and 1 will have Monsters Univ. and Despicable Me 2 in one showing
2013-06-26T23:12:34  <RangerZ> so I think I know what I'll be doing the night of the 3rd, lol
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2013-06-26T23:49:27  <notlarry> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/992968_440630429377703_855358407_n.jpg
2013-06-26T23:50:29  <RangerZ> notlarry: +1
2013-06-26T23:51:57  <notlarry> So, I hit a 100lb deer head on at 50mph and the insurance company feels $2100 shold just about cover the repairs...
2013-06-26T23:51:59  <RangerZ> http://it.slashdot.org/story/13/06/27/0047255/hackers-steal-opera-signed-certificate-through-infrastructure-attack
2013-06-26T23:52:00  <GateKeeper> Title: Hackers Steal Opera-Signed Certificate Through Infrastructure Attack - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org)
2013-06-26T23:52:21  <RangerZ> notlarry: is that gonna come close to fixing your ...bike?...
2013-06-26T23:53:09  <RangerZ> so... am I the only one who thinks that their should be an air gap of any/all important signing certs like that.... *shrugs*
2013-06-26T23:53:09  <notlarry> parts are $1600.  My big question is don't they think it would be wise to have a mechanic look at the front end to see if there is any damage?  I mean, before I get back on the interstate at 70mph.
2013-06-26T23:54:43  <Evilpig> Dagmar: they are trying to charge extra shit all over the place.  I called in last night to bitch and complain and get my bill reduced but mysteriously their billing database was down for maint
2013-06-26T23:55:43  <notlarry> http://i.imgur.com/CUowEOP.jpg
2013-06-26T23:56:44  <notlarry> That engine guard should be sticking forward about 9 degrees