2013-06-17T00:00:22  <Dagmar> Skydog probably ate him
2013-06-17T00:00:40  <Shadow404> heh
2013-06-17T00:01:58  <Dagmar> Tomorrow's weather... partly tornady
2013-06-17T00:02:52  <Evilpig> zoomed out to where I can only see portals lvl3 up..   resistence player count: 62, enlightened: 26
2013-06-17T00:06:01  <aestetix> http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22404404/nfl-implements-new-bag-policy-leave-the-purses-at-home
2013-06-17T00:06:02  <GateKeeper> Title: NFL implements new bag policy: Leave the purses at home - CBSSports.com (at www.cbssports.com)
2013-06-17T00:06:33  <Shadow404> damn, and i just picked up new purse i wanted to take to the next game
2013-06-17T00:07:31  <aestetix> Shadow404: to hold your tampons?
2013-06-17T00:07:41  <Shadow404> well, no, butt plugs
2013-06-17T00:07:56  <Shadow404> same application, different port
2013-06-17T00:08:48  <Dagmar> It's official.  Sports makes no sense anymore http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/blog/eye-on-baseball/22444470/cardinals-distracted-doing-pushups-get-pinned-by-marlins-lose-belt
2013-06-17T00:08:49  <GateKeeper> Title: Cardinals distracted doing pushups, get pinned by Marlins, lose belt - CBSSports.com (at www.cbssports.com)
2013-06-17T00:12:33  <aestetix> http://i.imgur.com/xr9CIar.jpg
2013-06-17T00:13:14  <Shadow404> my cat use to carry one of those
2013-06-17T00:13:16  <Shadow404> kinda fun
2013-06-17T00:17:21  <Dagmar> I remember that
2013-06-17T00:19:37  <Dagmar> Did we finally give up on Centennial being a newbie zone?
2013-06-17T00:19:50  <Evilpig> I did
2013-06-17T00:20:11  <Dagmar> Well, there's number of high level resonators there placed by players who should know better, like stickman
2013-06-17T00:20:17  <Evilpig> dunno about anyone else. The smurfs have used it as an ap farm since it's inception
2013-06-17T00:20:50  <Dagmar> I think I'm going to start back to making it my personal bitch again
2013-06-17T00:21:21  <Evilpig> didyou see where peter was again claiming not to be stickman
2013-06-17T00:21:48  <Dagmar> Well, we caught him more or less red-handed as bardwell, and he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who would dual-box
2013-06-17T00:21:53  <Evilpig> showed his picture on linked in to a few of the E folks that had met him and they all confirmed it was him
2013-06-17T00:22:57  <Dagmar> Man I need my bike working again
2013-06-17T00:23:14  <Shadow404> damn, its pouring like crazy
2013-06-17T00:23:15  <Evilpig> I caught him as stickman redhanded,  he outted himself as bardwell.  either way, brb gotta go fix the tv at teh back door
2013-06-17T00:23:20  <Shadow404> when it comes to that game
2013-06-17T00:23:32  <Shadow404> whats to stop someone from hookling their phone up in developer mode
2013-06-17T00:23:40  <Shadow404> minulating the gps input
2013-06-17T00:23:49  <Evilpig> been done
2013-06-17T00:23:52  <Dagmar> I think tomorrow night after the round-table I'll just finish up my painting on the bike parts and just put the busted nose cone back on it if I get the engine working properly before the new parts come in
2013-06-17T00:23:54  <Shadow404> and racking up points and attacking everything from their office
2013-06-17T00:24:07  <Dagmar> Shadow404: If they detect you're spoofing GPS they just ban you
2013-06-17T00:24:24  <Shadow404> yeah, hard to catch i would think
2013-06-17T00:24:26  <Evilpig> I should probably sign up for that and get my 2? 3? 4? hours of overtime for coming in on my night off
2013-06-17T00:24:28  <Dagmar> Plus, this is multiplayer.
2013-06-17T00:24:33  <Dagmar> If you cheat at it, you're just a bitch
2013-06-17T00:24:34  <Shadow404> unless you were super obvious
2013-06-17T00:24:49  <Shadow404> Dagmar: thats stop people?
2013-06-17T00:24:55  <Dagmar> Shadow404: This is a game that tracks your location while you walk around, man
2013-06-17T00:25:03  <Shadow404> yeah, i tried it
2013-06-17T00:25:09  <Shadow404> i know the idea
2013-06-17T00:25:13  <Evilpig> Shadow404: you know how we are about cheaters.  we catch em and disappear em
2013-06-17T00:25:20  <Evilpig> brb
2013-06-17T00:25:29  <Shadow404> but yeah, you could write a script to move the location like as if you were walking around
2013-06-17T00:25:55  <Dagmar> If someone's not in superb physical shape, and I find them cheating, there's not going to be any limits to the types of ridicule I'll subject their flabby ass to
2013-06-17T00:26:55  <Shadow404> yet another reason i avoid forums for anything
2013-06-17T00:27:02  <Shadow404> other than quick fixes
2013-06-17T00:27:06  <Shadow404> never been my thing
2013-06-17T00:27:12  <Dagmar> Forums?
2013-06-17T00:27:16  <Dagmar> lol
2013-06-17T00:27:24  <Shadow404> guessing that would be your attack avenue
2013-06-17T00:27:24  <Dagmar> No, I'll say this shit right to their faces.
2013-06-17T00:27:33  <Shadow404> unless you sit and wait for them to show up at the portal
2013-06-17T00:27:34  <Dagmar> I'm afraid of *no one8
2013-06-17T00:27:35  <Shadow404> and find them
2013-06-17T00:27:56  <Dagmar> Hunt 'em down, trash talk 'em on coms, and show up where they go if/when they do go out
2013-06-17T00:27:57  <Shadow404> again, if they are cheating how you gonna know their real location
2013-06-17T00:28:21  <Shadow404> and coms are coms and can be avoided
2013-06-17T00:28:21  <Dagmar> I am not above stalking someone based on their game actions in order to call them names in person
2013-06-17T00:28:25  <Shadow404> liek bullies
2013-06-17T00:28:34  <Shadow404> ok
2013-06-17T00:28:34  <Dagmar> ...and if they're not there, I have no problems reporting them
2013-06-17T00:28:38  <Dagmar> These people are not smart.
2013-06-17T00:39:23  <Evilpig> Shadow404: I've had people show up and sit outside my office now, one particular piece of shit was following my actions on comms and purposely showing up where I was
2013-06-17T00:39:58  <Evilpig> I've got three of them right now looking to catch me breaking rules because I have been pretty vigilant about calling them out on tresspassing, and other violations
2013-06-17T00:41:07  <Evilpig> and i'm an ass, as you all well know
2013-06-17T00:51:13  <Evilpig> caption this: http://sphotos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/7249_283812851765558_715887549_n.jpg
2013-06-17T00:54:43  <RangerZ> http://kotaku.com/are-these-real-answers-or-fake-questions-in-this-xbox-513600924 so i bet MS leaked this on purpose
2013-06-17T00:54:50  <RangerZ> to try and stop all the rumors
2013-06-17T01:08:44  <Evilpig> i don't know what to say
2013-06-17T01:09:09  <Evilpig> mongo showed up on time but sat down and with in 30 seconds was on youtube.  didn't even sterilize the desktop like usual
2013-06-17T01:09:32  <aestetix> http://www.businessinsider.com/bob-schieffer-edward-snowden-face-the-nation-2013-6
2013-06-17T01:09:33  <GateKeeper> Title: Bob Schieffer Rips Edward Snowden - Business Insider (at www.businessinsider.com)
2013-06-17T01:09:38  <aestetix> I tend to side with Bob on this one.
2013-06-17T01:10:03  <aestetix> If Snowden had dropped the leaks on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial or something, I would consider him a hero.
2013-06-17T01:19:39  <RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RtSGFryKwo wow... angry joe actually pushing Major Nelson hard on the 24hr checking on XBONE
2013-06-17T01:19:40  <GateKeeper> Title: Xbox One AJ Interview w/ Major Nelson - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2013-06-17T01:19:49  <RangerZ> they were NOT happy with this interview
2013-06-17T01:20:01  <Evilpig> this computer seriously needs more ram
2013-06-17T01:20:10  <Evilpig> I'm just beating the living shit out of it as is
2013-06-17T02:05:35  <Dagmar> wtf.
2013-06-17T02:05:44  <Dagmar> The Kwik-Sak was actually closed
2013-06-17T02:14:09  <Dagmar> Wilbur: Joy!  http://www.newschannel5.com/story/22605559/one-person-shot-near-downtown-nashville
2013-06-17T02:14:09  <GateKeeper> Title: One Person Shot Near Downtown Nashville - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports (at www.newschannel5.com)
2013-06-17T02:15:01  <Dagmar> Just on the other side of 12th.
2013-06-17T02:15:03  <Dagmar> "The victim was struck in the groin."
2013-06-17T02:15:07  <Dagmar> *eyepinch*
2013-06-17T02:15:21  <Dagmar> "Those injuries were not believed to be life-threatening."
2013-06-17T02:15:23  <RangerZ> nice...
2013-06-17T02:15:29  <Dagmar> That's debateable.
2013-06-17T02:16:57  <RangerZ> yeah... life not worth living...
2013-06-17T02:16:59  <RangerZ> is that a life?
2013-06-17T02:20:06  <Dagmar> I can't believe the damn Kwik Sak was closed
2013-06-17T02:20:39  <RangerZ> LOL
2013-06-17T02:20:49  <RangerZ> B/C it is sunday?
2013-06-17T02:22:25  <Dagmar> I don't think so
2013-06-17T02:22:34  <Dagmar> They've been open on Sunday nights before
2013-06-17T02:22:52  <aestetix> penis
2013-06-17T02:23:14  <Dagmar> Bad timing.
2013-06-17T02:25:08  <aestetix> vagina?
2013-06-17T02:29:10  <Dagmar> Read the link I posted.
2013-06-17T03:08:54  <RangerZ> lol @ no remote control for the xbox one
2013-06-17T03:09:05  <RangerZ> 'you can use your voice' fuck off
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2013-06-17T03:52:31  <aestetix> I just got an awful idea
2013-06-17T03:52:52  <aestetix> Record the sound of the men's bathroom during a football game at a stadium
2013-06-17T03:53:06  <aestetix> And then play the recording to video of a war
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2013-06-17T04:49:51  <aestetix> ok
2013-06-17T04:49:51  <aestetix> https://www.coursera.org/signature/guidebook
2013-06-17T04:49:52  <GateKeeper> Title: Coursera.org (at www.coursera.org)
2013-06-17T04:49:58  <aestetix> can someone plase tell me why this is a good idea
2013-06-17T04:57:05  <Bahhumbug> Silly.  It's so Big Brother can track you more easily.
2013-06-17T04:57:10  <Bahhumbug> What's wrong with that?
2013-06-17T04:57:17  <Bahhumbug> You some kinda commie or something?
2013-06-17T04:58:33  <aestetix> Aaaaaand someone just ran their car into a bank across thes street from me.
2013-06-17T04:59:11  <aestetix> Bahhumbug: I think it's less about big brother and more coursera trying to create the impression of accredited classes to make money
2013-06-17T05:00:36  <Bahhumbug> I don't see that as being possible with their organization structure.  I think it's just a way to verify that someones claim of having 'passed' a course checks out via a trusted source.
2013-06-17T05:01:01  <Bahhumbug> Did they hit a real bank _building_?
2013-06-17T05:01:08  <Bahhumbug> Or just an enbankment?
2013-06-17T05:06:29  <aestetix> I'm not sure.
2013-06-17T05:06:59  <aestetix> By which I mean, it's definitely past the sidewalk and such
2013-06-17T05:07:09  <aestetix> I'm not sure if it actually broke any walls though, I can't see
2013-06-17T05:22:09  <Evilpig> can ancan anyone tell me where mongo is?
2013-06-17T05:28:45  <Bahhumbug> I know where I personally hope he is.
2013-06-17T05:47:31  <Evilpig> you and me both.  but that leaves the question on where the dumbshit is really.  he's been gone an hour now
2013-06-17T05:47:41  <Evilpig> I know he isn't off working because that's for those other people to do
2013-06-17T05:49:23  <Evilpig> it has returned
2013-06-17T05:49:41  <Evilpig> it came in from teh front door so I can only assume that means it went to its car to sleep for an hour
2013-06-17T05:52:04  <Evilpig> anyone want to take bets on what it does in 10 minutes when it normally goes to 'lunch'?
2013-06-17T05:54:13  <Bahhumbug> He takes his Shitty Worker pills?
2013-06-17T06:02:31  <Evilpig> heh
2013-06-17T06:09:25  <Evilpig> did I miss this?
2013-06-17T06:09:27  <Evilpig> End of Product LifecycleActive development for MySQL Database Server version 5.0 has ended. Oracle offers various support offerings which may be of interest. For details and more information, see the MySQL section of the Lifetime Support Policy for Oracle Technology Products (http://www.oracle.com/us/support/lifetime-support/index.html). Please consider upgrading to a recent version.
2013-06-17T06:09:51  <Evilpig> nm.  i'm retarded
2013-06-17T06:10:02  <Evilpig> my brain is clearly mush
2013-06-17T06:11:37  <Evilpig> okay.  this jose guy wants to use negative numbers as part of a sql index and mysql is barfing all over it and I can't find a solution
2013-06-17T06:12:12  <Evilpig> it makes an index like field1-field2  and when either is a negative number it just shits itself
2013-06-17T06:20:23  <RangerZ> Evilpig: you CAN use negative numbers for index
2013-06-17T06:20:52  <Evilpig> it's the delimeter.  it's a fuckin' - and I can't seem to find a way to change it so it stops shitting itself
2013-06-17T06:20:56  <RangerZ> i'm guessing he setup some additional constraints somewhere that say that it won't be negative, or he is putting them into uint
2013-06-17T06:21:09  <RangerZ> make sure it isn't ...u...int or some such
2013-06-17T06:21:20  <RangerZ> <<hasn't looked at mysql in forever
2013-06-17T06:21:25  <RangerZ> forgets what all it accepts
2013-06-17T06:21:31  <RangerZ> ohh
2013-06-17T06:21:34  <Evilpig> I've got the exact error.  I can duplicate it easily.  I'm annoyed right now
2013-06-17T06:21:47  <RangerZ> is the index auto inc?
2013-06-17T06:21:49  <Evilpig> the stabbing pain is back in my foot and is NOT helping things
2013-06-17T06:29:26  * Bahhumbug stabs puppet in the nuts
2013-06-17T06:30:20  <RangerZ> Evilpig: so yeah, mysql DOES allow signed/unsigned
2013-06-17T06:30:42  <RangerZ> i'm sure you would have caught that
2013-06-17T06:30:58  <Evilpig> yeah.  signed is default
2013-06-17T06:31:04  <RangerZ> http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/numeric-type-overview.html
2013-06-17T06:31:05  <GateKeeper> Title: MySQL :: MySQL 5.0 Reference Manual :: 11.1.1 Numeric Type Overview (at dev.mysql.com)
2013-06-17T06:31:21  <Evilpig> it's a problem with the delimiter being used in the index.  i'm almost 100% sure of it
2013-06-17T06:33:19  <Evilpig> I'm about to just reject this guy's idea as wtf broken and do it a way that will just work
2013-06-17T06:40:31  <RangerZ> gotta love darpa projects
2013-06-17T06:40:36  <RangerZ> 9 to 5 that starts at 11
2013-06-17T06:40:37  <RangerZ> lol
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2013-06-17T07:38:06  <Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
2013-06-17T07:38:29  <Evilpig> no
2013-06-17T07:39:12  <Dolemite> Look on the bright side - almost time to go hmoe
2013-06-17T07:39:14  <Dolemite> home
2013-06-17T07:39:22  <Evilpig> yeah well :P
2013-06-17T07:39:34  <Evilpig> might ahve to come back here tonight for a round table with the new CIO
2013-06-17T07:39:48  <Evilpig> debating on wethernot I want the extra dough to come in on my day off
2013-06-17T07:40:06  <RangerZ> wow...
2013-06-17T07:40:15  <RangerZ> TrotCon 2013
2013-06-17T07:40:36  <RangerZ> the things that need PN to show up and troll them.... wow
2013-06-17T07:40:38  * Evilpig punches RangerZ the dirty bronie
2013-06-17T07:40:56  <RangerZ> no, one of the guys from oh2600 is
2013-06-17T07:41:48  <RangerZ> https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/222410_10151641625997440_15090099_n.jpg could be a good outfit idea for notlarry
2013-06-17T07:42:09  <RangerZ> notMrsLarry might atleast enjoy it
2013-06-17T07:42:20  <Evilpig> that's the worst kind
2013-06-17T07:42:26  <Evilpig> that's a furry bronie
2013-06-17T07:46:38  <RangerZ> apparently I'm an astronaut in training http://www.cracked.com/article_18421_6-insane-coincidences-you-wont-believe-actually-happened_p2.html
2013-06-17T07:46:39  <GateKeeper> Title: 6 Insane Coincidences You Won't Believe Actually Happened | Cracked.com (at www.cracked.com)
2013-06-17T07:47:22  <RangerZ> that just cracks me up every time i see it, lol
2013-06-17T08:26:46  <Dagmar> i <3 today's XKCD
2013-06-17T08:27:17  <RangerZ> http://kxcd.com/ apparently
2013-06-17T08:27:18  <GateKeeper> Title: KXCD @USD - Christian Music That Rocks! (at kxcd.com)
2013-06-17T08:27:22  <RangerZ> is a real url
2013-06-17T08:27:27  <RangerZ> typo :/
2013-06-17T08:35:57  <RangerZ> this is really impressive
2013-06-17T08:36:10  <RangerZ> the US needs more people like this in the military: http://www.upworthy.com/boom-watch-an-angry-army-general-deliver-a-scathing-dressing-down-to-sexist-soldiers?c=bl3
2013-06-17T08:36:11  <GateKeeper> Title: BOOM: Watch An Angry Army Chief Deliver A Scathing Dressing-Down To Sexist Soldiers (at www.upworthy.com)
2013-06-17T08:44:06  <Dagmar> That's mellow
2013-06-17T08:48:01  <Bahhumbug> Not really for an Aussie.  This is going to lay the fear of god in a lot of enlisted.
2013-06-17T08:48:14  <Bahhumbug> I need breakfast.
2013-06-17T08:48:15  * Bahhumbug &
2013-06-17T08:48:43  <RangerZ> fg
2013-06-17T08:58:57  <RangerZ> aestetix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaQmyhkGNm0 wow... china wouldn't like this vid
2013-06-17T08:58:58  <GateKeeper> Title: Google+: Public Squares - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2013-06-17T09:03:37  <Evilpig> fuck
2013-06-17T09:03:46  <Evilpig> I did not miss this pain in my right foot one bit
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2013-06-17T09:11:32  <RangerZ> Evilpig: what did you do?
2013-06-17T09:11:49  <Evilpig> nothing this time
2013-06-17T09:12:15  <Evilpig> it's just creeped back in the last few days to the point where it's a real issue
2013-06-17T09:12:33  <RangerZ> i mean.. .what did you do before then?
2013-06-17T09:14:09  <Evilpig> never figured that out.  doctor  was no use on figuring it out either
2013-06-17T09:24:50  <Bahhumbug> It's cancer.
2013-06-17T09:24:57  <Bahhumbug> At least according to webmd.
2013-06-17T09:38:55  <Dolemite> it must be true
2013-06-17T09:39:04  <Dolemite> I think it's a tumor
2013-06-17T09:39:51  <Corydon76-work> Evilpig: have you previously hurt that foot? Might be you previously broke a bone, it healed incorrectly, and barometric pressure changes can trigger phantom pains
2013-06-17T09:40:18  <Synx|hm> Any users of FreePBX here?  I'm having terrible luck with it, need to reboot it daily to keep my trunks up
2013-06-17T09:40:28  <Synx|hm> it just stops responding to all traffic randomly
2013-06-17T09:40:29  <Synx|hm> :(
2013-06-17T09:40:49  <Synx|hm> probably need to start fresh as i have to test out TCP-TLS and SRTP today
2013-06-17T09:47:01  <Corydon76-work> I'd suggest upgrading the core Asterisk process, as FreePBX is really nothing more than a set of scripts for altering the configuration.
2013-06-17T09:47:18  <brimstone> nah, asterisk 1.2 is plenty stable
2013-06-17T09:55:06  <Synx|hm> maybe i should just ditch freepbx and configure asterisk myself?
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2013-06-17T10:03:12  <Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: I would recommend that, though I realize not everybody has the time to learn how to configure it.
2013-06-17T10:04:16  <Synx|hm> ya, right now i need a TCP-TLS / SRTP environment to test some stuff in and i need to not spend all week configuring it
2013-06-17T10:04:38  <Synx|hm> however freepbx is a mess of hacks at least thats how it seems
2013-06-17T10:11:08  <Corydon76-work> That's a good way to describe it, yes
2013-06-17T10:23:55  <Synx|hm> can't wait for lunch today, smoked a pork butt this weekend
2013-06-17T10:37:51  <Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: have you ever worked with TLS or SRTP before?
2013-06-17T10:38:10  <Corydon76-work> I have not
2013-06-17T10:38:18  <Corydon76-work> Not in connection to SIP
2013-06-17T10:38:37  <Synx|hm> well ill still ask as im not very smart on TLS anyways
2013-06-17T10:38:49  <Synx|hm> forgive me if this is stupid
2013-06-17T10:38:55  <Corydon76-work> The major problem is that the phones I have here do not support it
2013-06-17T10:39:14  <Synx|hm> I have a device that requires two things for TLS to work, a "Certificate" and a "Private Key"
2013-06-17T10:39:25  <Corydon76-work> Correct
2013-06-17T10:39:35  <Synx|hm> the team i am working with on the call manager side have 0 clue what these specifically refer to or where to get them
2013-06-17T10:40:02  <Synx|hm> I assume i need the root CA from the server i am talking to and a nother key obviously
2013-06-17T10:40:10  <Corydon76-work> Then almost certainly, they do not support TLS
2013-06-17T10:40:27  <Synx|hm> they do and its working with their phones
2013-06-17T10:40:49  <Corydon76-work> Then you're not dealing with the actual engineers
2013-06-17T10:40:52  <Synx|hm> its just all their brand equipment so all their phones either have self signed certs already working or the system is setup to auto configure them
2013-06-17T10:41:23  <Corydon76-work> Ugh, self-signed certs.  That's the way to ensure that you have nearly no actual security
2013-06-17T10:41:26  <Synx|hm> ya thats probably part of the problem, nither of us are familiar with our respective equipment to putt this all together
2013-06-17T10:41:54  <Synx|hm> agreed, but i just want this working at least for now before i bring that up
2013-06-17T10:42:02  <Corydon76-work> self-signed certs are trivially intercepted with a mitm attack
2013-06-17T10:42:20  <Synx|hm> So, this is bascially public private key crypto correct?
2013-06-17T10:42:27  <Corydon76-work> PKI, yes
2013-06-17T10:42:57  <Synx|hm> So the "certificate" i need for my equip you think that should be the root ca? or something they generate specifically for my device on their end
2013-06-17T10:43:50  <Corydon76-work> No, the certificate that you need is going to be a generated cert that is signed by a root CA.
2013-06-17T10:44:21  <Corydon76-work> and then the corresponding key generated in concert with the certificate request
2013-06-17T10:45:23  <Corydon76-work> So:  you generate a certificate request and private key, submit that cert req to a CA, get back a signed cert, signed cert and private key are what you use
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2013-06-17T10:46:54  <Corydon76-work> The signed cert gets sent over the wire to the remote end, which they can then verify against the CA and use to encrypt the symmetric key to send back to you, you use the private key to decrypt the symmetric key, which is what is used to decrypt traffic
2013-06-17T10:47:41  <Corydon76-work> decrypt voice traffic, that is
2013-06-17T10:49:19  <Corydon76-work> I don't remember if they do signed certs on both ends with separate symmetric keys for each direction or just use one symmetric key for both directions, but I suspect that's all handled for you.
2013-06-17T10:49:24  <Synx|hm> so i understand the SRTP uses a symmetric key, but the TLS connection is also using PKI to exchange symmetric keys for that instance of communications
2013-06-17T10:49:41  <Synx|hm> ?
2013-06-17T10:50:04  <Corydon76-work> That's the definition of TLS, yes.  TLS is a specific implementation of PKI.
2013-06-17T10:52:07  <Synx|hm> oh perhaps im confused by 'symmetric' then, if i have your public key and you have mine why do we need to agree upon a symmetric key that can both decrypt and encrypt our traffic
2013-06-17T10:54:01  * Synx|hm shouldn't have dropped the intro to cryptography class 1 week in on coursera
2013-06-17T10:55:49  <Corydon76-work> Because asymmetric cryptography has such longer bit lengths as the encryption/decryption takes a lot more CPU
2013-06-17T10:56:05  <Synx|hm> ok that makes sense
2013-06-17T10:56:12  <Synx|hm> figure that was the case
2013-06-17T10:56:32  <Corydon76-work> So you use it only to exchange keys, then use the simpler encryption for the actual traffic
2013-06-17T10:57:23  <Corydon76-work> Even then, because you have shorter key lengths, you also need to rekey on a regular basis, to ensure that a chosen plaintext attack doesn't compromise your symmetric keys, and TLS takes care of that, too
2013-06-17T10:57:40  <Synx|hm> which reminds me i need to register a new key with the MIT keyserver and start signing all my emails
2013-06-17T10:58:09  <Synx|hm> ahh cool i figure it would re-exchange a symmetric key on a regular basis
2013-06-17T10:59:21  <Corydon76-work> Funnily enough, the initiation for a key renegotiation is where the protocol has seen a few vulnerabilities in the past
2013-06-17T10:59:56  <Corydon76-work> Which is why TLS is at version 1.2 now
2013-06-17T10:59:58  <Synx|hm> how does this all differ from SSL?
2013-06-17T11:00:09  <Corydon76-work> TLS is essentially SSL v3
2013-06-17T11:00:28  <Synx|hm> ahh
2013-06-17T11:02:23  <Synx|hm> ok complete side step in discussion here... was reading some of the latest leak from Snowden this morning. Something to the effect of using rogue 'inet cafe' to spy on people, but it specifically said to install keyloggers
2013-06-17T11:02:37  <Synx|hm> which got me thinking, how do you go from snooping on peoples wifi to installing keyloggers
2013-06-17T11:03:04  <brimstone> metasploit
2013-06-17T11:03:23  <Corydon76-work> Or the easier way:  physical access to their machine
2013-06-17T11:03:26  <Synx|hm> ya, but aside form actually getting in that way
2013-06-17T11:03:54  <Corydon76-work> You might be surprised how many people don't lock their computers when they walk away
2013-06-17T11:03:56  <Synx|hm> im thinking man in the middle attacks, i assume its possible to get in the middle and real time inject code into downloads?
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2013-06-17T11:07:18  <Synx|hm> so for example if "they" didn't have the latest 0-day or what ever exploit it just remote in and do their bidding...
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2013-06-17T11:09:00  <Corydon76-work> If downloads are done over an insecure channel, then yes, mitm is perfectly possible
2013-06-17T11:09:08  <Synx|hm> it couldn't be too difficuly to do a MitM attack (possibly even faking/re-signing SSL keys) right at someones ISP (or inet cafe in this case) and perhaps inject code real time
2013-06-17T11:09:25  <Synx|hm> either way we know its easy to re-sign SSL keys so long as the user doesn't verify
2013-06-17T11:09:53  <Corydon76-work> If they're using PKI, then it becomes a great deal more difficult, because the application generally does the verification for them
2013-06-17T11:10:31  <Corydon76-work> Chrome and Firefox will both put up huge warnings when you compromise a secure session
2013-06-17T11:10:41  <Synx|hm> perhaps TLS doesn't fall prey to this, but i know with SSL i can just sniff out the cert the website sends back and inject my own, companys do this all over the place
2013-06-17T11:10:44  <Synx|hm> true
2013-06-17T11:12:11  <Corydon76-work> But the cert is signed, and if your replacement cert doesn't either verify for the domain or is for a different domain, the user gets a big fat warning
2013-06-17T11:12:54  <Synx|hm> well from my understanding the companys were pre-installing their own CA certs on their employees computers
2013-06-17T11:13:09  <Synx|hm> so when they got the injected cert from say "google.com" they already trusted it
2013-06-17T11:13:11  <Corydon76-work> That said, almost nobody checks their root cert pool on a regular basis to ensure it hasn't been polluted, so if you can get physical access, you can add a root cert that pollutes the pool
2013-06-17T11:14:19  <Corydon76-work> Right, so if you compromise a badly secured root cert, then you can do whatever you like with those client computer connections
2013-06-17T11:14:45  <Synx|hm> didn't that happen with a big root ca last year?
2013-06-17T11:15:01  <Corydon76-work> Yes
2013-06-17T11:15:39  <Corydon76-work> The hacker alleged that he did it with more than one, though I'm not sure if that was ever verified.
2013-06-17T11:16:01  <Synx|hm> how can we protect against this?
2013-06-17T11:16:14  <Synx|hm> we cant right, too much trust in these guys like verisign
2013-06-17T11:16:34  <Corydon76-work> You could probably write something to verify all the root certs on a machine
2013-06-17T11:18:31  <Synx|hm> ya thats a good start, but what about trusting the peole who sign and distribute ala VeriSign
2013-06-17T11:19:23  <Corydon76-work> You're welcome to go to their HQ and ask to audit the process by which they both secure their root CA, as well as verify certificate requests
2013-06-17T11:19:48  <Corydon76-work> That assumes that their root CA really is secured, however.
2013-06-17T11:21:01  <Corydon76-work> It's perfectly possible that they have their real root CA in another, insecure location, and they have infrastructure set up for the purpose of passing the audits
2013-06-17T11:23:28  <Synx|hm> i dont trust anyone anymore
2013-06-17T11:30:15  <Synx|hm> never trusted my windows installs, but im having a hard time trusting anything these days :(
2013-06-17T11:31:47  <Synx|hm> it really is a sad feeling, i was on a flight right after all the leaks hit and news, and while i alway "knew" this was going on, it really caused me to feel sad and bummed out for the world and our future, i spent the entire flight listening to depressing music and being in despare for the world
2013-06-17T11:33:25  <brimstone> don't trust it unless you've written it youself
2013-06-17T11:33:27  <brimstone> *yourself
2013-06-17T11:35:34  <Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: got another TLS question for ya
2013-06-17T11:36:50  <Synx|hm> brimstone: i think that extends to the hardware now too :( so even if i trust and only run software/os/bios ive coded myself i cant trust the physical hardware, even network hardware
2013-06-17T11:37:05  <brimstone> go Team Hermit!
2013-06-17T11:37:15  <Synx|hm> yup
2013-06-17T11:37:42  <Synx|hm> lets start up a new world network, but one on which we require only audited code/hardware
2013-06-17T11:37:51  <Synx|hm> and encrypt all of the traffic
2013-06-17T11:47:18  <Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: so at the begining of a TLS conversation (in regards to our previous conversation) i send you unencrypted the signed cert (basically my public key signed by you) i got from you previously, which you then verify and use to encrypt the symmetric key you want to use and send back to me
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2013-06-17T12:27:20  * Corydon76-work is still waiting for the question
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2013-06-17T12:27:39  <Synx|hm> ha
2013-06-17T12:27:56  <Synx|hm> sorry, it was more of a statement, wanting to see if my understanding is correct
2013-06-17T12:28:10  <Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: so at the begining of a TLS conversation (in regards to our previous conversation) i send you unencrypted the signed cert (basically my public key signed by you) i got from you previously, which you then verify and use to encrypt the symmetric key you want to use and send back to me
2013-06-17T12:30:11  <Corydon76-work> Yep, that's basically it.
2013-06-17T12:32:17  <Synx|hm> ok in that context of the phone with certs talking to a call manager i think i understand it
2013-06-17T12:32:52  <Synx|hm> but, how does this all work in the context of a web browser session... as the web browser i dont have any certs to send to you (the server) first
2013-06-17T12:35:57  <Corydon76-work> The server sends its certificate, which you use to sign the public key that you generated at the time of the request
2013-06-17T12:36:42  <Corydon76-work> The server can then use its private key to verify that the certificate it received was signed with the same key
2013-06-17T12:37:35  <Corydon76-work> and the client knows that the public key that it received from the server was legitimately from the server, because the domain name of the server is embedded in the certificate and the certificate is signed with a known good (root) certificate
2013-06-17T12:38:19  <Corydon76-work> Thereafter, all responses to the server will be secured from mitm attacks
2013-06-17T12:39:22  <Synx|hm> ahh thats logical :)
2013-06-17T12:40:22  <Synx|hm> so the basic diff is the previous dicsussed method is a way to verify the end user is trusted, and latter (web) simply just verifys the traffic is secure but we dont care who the end user is
2013-06-17T12:41:08  <Corydon76-work> No, the end user is not necessarily trusted, just that the communication between the server and the requestor is secured.
2013-06-17T12:41:43  <Corydon76-work> As long as the requestor makes use of the required verifications that they're talking to who they think they're talking to, the channel is secure
2013-06-17T12:42:48  <Synx|hm> then why have devices that need the key/cert pair pre-configured then?
2013-06-17T12:43:13  <Corydon76-work> Most likely because they lack the requisite CPU power to generate them in a timely manner
2013-06-17T12:43:22  <Synx|hm> ahh
2013-06-17T12:43:40  <Corydon76-work> Many embedded devices don't have a good source of randomness from which to generate keys
2013-06-17T12:43:44  <Synx|hm> hey thank you btw for taking the time to explain this all to me
2013-06-17T12:46:13  <Corydon76-work> Peaches just let me know of an interesting trick.  If you buy a Walmart gift card in the store, the Walmart gas pumps will give you $.10/gallon in additional discount.
2013-06-17T12:47:33  <Corydon76-work> So basically, buy a $20 gift card, use it to put $20 in your tank, and you get more without giving Walmart any additional info about you
2013-06-17T12:48:09  <Synx|hm> great idea
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2013-06-17T12:55:28  <Dolemite> Corydon76-work: Home Depot Fuel in Smyrna did that, too
2013-06-17T12:55:57  <Dolemite> Plus if you own a home, it's hard not to spend money at Home Depot that qualified for an additional $0.10/gallon discount
2013-06-17T12:56:35  <Corydon76-work> I know why they do it; they're trying to glean additional info about the purchasing decisions of people who normally pay in cash
2013-06-17T12:56:52  <oddball> I know folks that buy gift cards to places they normally shop at from Krogers so they get the points for discounts at Kroger's gas stations.
2013-06-17T12:57:23  <Dolemite> We used to double/triple dip at Home Depot.  We'd buy the gift cards from the Home Depot Fuel market, using a credit card that gave 10x points for purchases at gas stations
2013-06-17T12:57:32  <Dolemite> Then we'd pay for our gas using the gift cards
2013-06-17T12:57:40  <Dolemite> And, of course, use our Home Depot points
2013-06-17T12:58:01  <Dolemite> Alas, no Home Depot Fuel around here.
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2013-06-17T13:20:05  <Synx|hm> http://twit.tv/show/security-now/408
2013-06-17T13:20:06  <GateKeeper> Title: Security Now 408 | TWiT.TV (at twit.tv)
2013-06-17T13:20:19  <Synx|hm> Steve talking about PRISM
2013-06-17T13:21:14  <brimstone> i can't stand listening to steve gibson
2013-06-17T13:21:37  <Synx|hm> oh i agree he is terrible to listen to and Leo on top makes me want to pull my hair out
2013-06-17T13:21:50  <Synx|hm> but he's quite smart and i enjoy his ideas/opinions
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2013-06-17T13:47:20  <Synx|hm> Anyone recall the foriegn govt investigation into Echelon or what it was called?
2013-06-17T13:48:02  <RangerZ> nope
2013-06-17T13:48:05  <RangerZ> no such thing existed
2013-06-17T13:48:16  <RangerZ> no NSA Echelon existed in 2005~2006
2013-06-17T13:48:31  <RangerZ> thank you very much for your concern, citizen
2013-06-17T13:48:35  <Synx|hm> ;)
2013-06-17T13:51:44  <Synx|hm> ahh yes i believe this was it
2013-06-17T13:51:47  <Synx|hm> http://cryptome.org/echelon-ep-fin.htm
2013-06-17T13:51:48  <GateKeeper> Title: European Commission Final Report on Echelon (at cryptome.org)
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2013-06-17T14:56:33  <aestetix> Bahhumbug: just so you know
2013-06-17T14:56:39  <aestetix> I walked by the bank today
2013-06-17T14:56:46  <aestetix> the car did indeed smash part of the window
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2013-06-17T15:18:49  <Shadow404> quick trivia question
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2013-06-17T15:19:03  <Shadow404> how many people have walked on the moon?
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2013-06-17T15:19:44  <Corydon76-work> Less than 10, I believe
2013-06-17T15:19:46  <Shadow404> 12, random facts brought to you by Shadow404
2013-06-17T15:20:02  <RangerZ> and most of them are from Ohio
2013-06-17T15:20:03  <RangerZ> LOL
2013-06-17T15:20:10  <Shadow404> yep, thats what made me think about it
2013-06-17T15:20:13  <Shadow404> that link you sent
2013-06-17T15:20:16  <Synx|hm> how many NSA agents have ready your email today
2013-06-17T15:20:31  <RangerZ> John Glenn was a badass senator
2013-06-17T15:20:32  <Shadow404> Synx|hm: did you possibly watch the hearings for that?
2013-06-17T15:20:36  <Shadow404> the senate hearings?
2013-06-17T15:20:39  <RangerZ> literally NO ONE could say shit to him
2013-06-17T15:20:45  <RangerZ> lol
2013-06-17T15:20:50  <Shadow404> RangerZ: not always a good thing
2013-06-17T15:21:04  <Synx|hm> Shadow404: i didn't, i should though
2013-06-17T15:21:13  <Shadow404> Synx|hm: reason i say that, is yes, i think it sucks they "can" get access easily when needed
2013-06-17T15:21:22  <RangerZ> yeah, but he was actually a good sen. and did good work, unlike our current house of lunitics
2013-06-17T15:21:25  <Shadow404> but do you know how much legal red tape they have to complete to do so
2013-06-17T15:21:48  <Synx|hm> oh ya, im sure its completely legal at this point to do what they are doing
2013-06-17T15:22:04  <Shadow404> yes, the one or two rogue assholes that do shit without oversight may be an issue
2013-06-17T15:22:09  <RangerZ> and YAY... FINALLY ... DHL sucks... USPS a ...week... later has my OUYA out for deliver
2013-06-17T15:22:13  <RangerZ> delivery*
2013-06-17T15:22:30  <Shadow404> but but for the most part the legal process requires so much oversight its crazy
2013-06-17T15:22:49  <Shadow404> the fact they made deals behind our back with the major social and email companies is kinda fucked up
2013-06-17T15:22:58  <Shadow404> but the reason and the process they have to go through is pretty crazy
2013-06-17T15:22:59  <Synx|hm> well... oversight by a rubber stamp court but ya i know what ya mean
2013-06-17T15:23:10  <Shadow404> now the security of such info banks is another thing
2013-06-17T15:23:18  <RangerZ> Shadow404: i don't think it was 'deals' yahoo and google both sued to stop it, but they lost in "secret court"
2013-06-17T15:23:21  <Shadow404> and the transmission of the requested data also antoher concern
2013-06-17T15:23:30  <Shadow404> RangerZ: yep, which sucks
2013-06-17T15:23:37  <Shadow404> glad they now have public backing
2013-06-17T15:23:38  <Synx|hm> well here's something interesting, Steve Gibson argues that they dont have access to Google, Facebook, etc aside from the already known court orders
2013-06-17T15:23:42  <Shadow404> i think we should have voted on it
2013-06-17T15:23:45  <RangerZ> as far as i know... MS is the only one who didn't fight back
2013-06-17T15:23:51  <RangerZ> MS and apple
2013-06-17T15:23:52  <RangerZ> which is odd
2013-06-17T15:23:53  <Shadow404> of course they didnt
2013-06-17T15:24:02  <Shadow404> oh want to know something funny
2013-06-17T15:24:02  <RangerZ> and peoplechat, or w/e that other one was
2013-06-17T15:24:09  <Synx|hm> he argues that the very name PRISM implys what they are doing, just like Room 641A that uses  fiber taps, how does one tap fiber... with a prism
2013-06-17T15:24:14  <Shadow404> speaking of a rip on ms$
2013-06-17T15:24:33  <Shadow404> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA
2013-06-17T15:24:34  <GateKeeper> Title: Official PlayStation Used Game Instructional Video - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2013-06-17T15:24:35  <Synx|hm> so perhaps they are simply tapping googles, microsofts, facebooks providers and seeing all traffic there
2013-06-17T15:24:44  <Shadow404> psx ripping on xbox
2013-06-17T15:24:54  <Shadow404> Synx|hm: not quite
2013-06-17T15:25:10  <Shadow404> they have ways to get to the data banks and do tyh searches they need to
2013-06-17T15:25:18  <Corydon76-work> Synx|hm: they wouldn't see any traffic sent, for example, from Gmail to Gmail and which is read via SSL
2013-06-17T15:25:24  <Synx|hm> oh im not saying he is right or wrong, but i think its an interesting look into the name of the program
2013-06-17T15:25:39  <Synx|hm> Corydon76-work: true and he says that as well
2013-06-17T15:25:41  <Shadow404> the likelyhood of *your* email being read is low
2013-06-17T15:25:49  <Shadow404> unless your really under investigation
2013-06-17T15:25:59  <Synx|hm> well its being stores for future use thats for sure
2013-06-17T15:26:09  <Shadow404> so your gay pron forums notificatio emails should be safe
2013-06-17T15:26:13  <Corydon76-work> Yes, but probably for less than 2 weeks
2013-06-17T15:26:31  <Shadow404> Corydon76-work: yes, but how many people archive their email
2013-06-17T15:26:39  <Shadow404> for example, those 15gb google email accounts
2013-06-17T15:26:55  <Synx|hm> listen if google can store all my emails and most of my files im sure the NSA can do it too
2013-06-17T15:26:57  <Corydon76-work> Incriminating shit?  They'll probably delete it
2013-06-17T15:27:10  <Corydon76-work> though it may stick around in the Trash for 30 days
2013-06-17T15:27:33  <Shadow404> true, but im sure if your under investigation, and you are still doing the shit they are looking for, they are just gonna monitor live
2013-06-17T15:27:34  <Synx|hm> either way i thought it was a interesting look at how the program may have gotten its name
2013-06-17T15:27:38  <Shadow404> and wait to see something
2013-06-17T15:27:39  <Corydon76-work> Until recently, the NSA didn't have the capacity to store that much data for very long
2013-06-17T15:27:53  <Corydon76-work> Remember, they're also interested in voip calls
2013-06-17T15:28:00  <Synx|hm> ya and i wonder why they are trying to get more and more capacity to store
2013-06-17T15:28:09  <Shadow404> but the long story is for the white hat security groups
2013-06-17T15:28:14  <Shadow404> they have to get approval
2013-06-17T15:28:25  <Synx|hm> with current day codecs voip traffic isn't all that much bw
2013-06-17T15:28:27  <Shadow404> and they dont just do shit for no reason
2013-06-17T15:28:34  <Shadow404> or huge searches for a large group
2013-06-17T15:28:38  <Shadow404> its pretty specific
2013-06-17T15:28:42  <Corydon76-work> Approval is so easy to get that it would border on incompetence for them not to get approval
2013-06-17T15:29:00  <Corydon76-work> and once they get approval from the FISA court, it's nominally legal
2013-06-17T15:29:08  <Shadow404> of coruse, you get corrupt power enabled fuckers
2013-06-17T15:29:12  <Shadow404> but thats gonna be the rarity
2013-06-17T15:29:30  <Shadow404> Corydon76-work: yep, but even then, the search boundaries are well defined
2013-06-17T15:29:45  <Shadow404> im sure alot of stuff will be de-classified on how the parameters are filed
2013-06-17T15:30:10  <Shadow404> not saying i agree with the way its done, but it has to be done at some level for security
2013-06-17T15:30:12  <Corydon76-work> At least until now, I don't know of any cases where the NSA had someone looking into something for personal gain
2013-06-17T15:30:28  <Shadow404> Corydon76-work: not saying personal gain persay
2013-06-17T15:30:38  <Corydon76-work> Or political gain
2013-06-17T15:30:39  <Shadow404> more so wide boundary-less searchers
2013-06-17T15:30:42  <Shadow404> *searches
2013-06-17T15:30:57  <Shadow404> now political gain, i worry about
2013-06-17T15:31:00  <Shadow404> like blackmailing
2013-06-17T15:31:04  <Shadow404> that worries me
2013-06-17T15:31:17  <Corydon76-work> I don't have as great of a problem about the wide net searches, as long as the bulk of the filtering is done automatically
2013-06-17T15:31:56  <Corydon76-work> That's why I keep any of my innermost secrets either within my own brain or I expose them to y'all
2013-06-17T15:32:21  <Corydon76-work> If there are no secrets I am not willing to have exposed, I cannot be blackmailed
2013-06-17T15:33:24  <Synx|hm> well ive got a few i dont want anyone to know about and you could probably figure it out from my inet searches
2013-06-17T15:33:40  <Synx|hm> ... fine... its my love of butt play
2013-06-17T15:33:46  <Shadow404> hey
2013-06-17T15:33:48  <Synx|hm> that was easy come at me NSA!
2013-06-17T15:33:49  <Shadow404> i love butt play too
2013-06-17T15:34:02  <Shadow404> so yeah
2013-06-17T15:34:13  <Shadow404> i would be interested in a poly test
2013-06-17T15:34:17  <Corydon76-work> Shadow404:  the things I learn about you
2013-06-17T15:34:24  <Synx|hm> Shadow404: nope nope nope and nope
2013-06-17T15:34:35  <Shadow404> just to see what would happen
2013-06-17T15:34:50  <Corydon76-work> poly test?  Polygraph?  Or polyamorous?
2013-06-17T15:34:53  <Shadow404> Corydon76-work: alot has changed in recent years
2013-06-17T15:35:01  <Synx|hm> well in that respect then, a susposed way to cheat a poly is be clenching your ass muscle
2013-06-17T15:35:08  <Shadow404> Corydon76-work: polyamory is fun, but does get stressful
2013-06-17T15:35:18  <Shadow404> im back to monogomous now
2013-06-17T15:35:21  <Corydon76-work> Communication is key
2013-06-17T15:35:31  <Shadow404> yeah, for sure, but still alot more work
2013-06-17T15:35:36  <Corydon76-work> But that's true for any relationship
2013-06-17T15:35:42  <Shadow404> communication wasnt the issue
2013-06-17T15:35:45  <jonnyx> fwiw - ten years ago google kept all email, chat and web searches, period. As in, never deleted their copies (even if you deleted yours). Reason was, the more they "knew" about you (ie - the more data their systems had to crunch), the better they could target their adwords, & the more they could make via advertising rates.
2013-06-17T15:35:59  <Shadow404> jonnyx: they still do
2013-06-17T15:36:16  <Shadow404> like google searches that i did months ago, still keep coming up in adwords placements
2013-06-17T15:36:47  <Shadow404> like why would i see plastic blowup animal ads from a search i did months ago
2013-06-17T15:36:54  <Shadow404> maybe not years anymore
2013-06-17T15:37:17  <jonnyx> Probably. When I worked there, I could say it with certainty. Haven't worked there in a while, though. Dunno 'bout google voice, but it wouldn't surprise me (I'd be surprised if they didn't at least keep the calling records, if not the recorded calls).
2013-06-17T15:37:19  <Shadow404> Corydon76-work: time and relationship boundaries was teh issue
2013-06-17T15:37:46  <Shadow404> jonnyx: hrmmm, wonder what the fcc rules are for using that data for marketing?
2013-06-17T15:37:54  <jonnyx> my $0.02
2013-06-17T15:38:08  <Shadow404> since that is partly their jurisdiction once it hits a pots switching center
2013-06-17T15:40:15  <jonnyx> Google has had an ex-NSA guy as head of HWops (Hardware Ops, ie - the engineering division that does all of the hands-on work for the servers, routers & switches) since 2004. Nothing would surprise me.
2013-06-17T15:40:15  <Synx|hm> what if it never hits the PSTN
2013-06-17T15:40:42  <jonnyx> This is why I consider google an NSA asset.
2013-06-17T15:41:04  <Synx|hm> what if google is the NSA
2013-06-17T15:41:28  <Synx|hm> and we've all opted into their collection
2013-06-17T15:41:30  <Synx|hm> FML
2013-06-17T15:41:44  <Shadow404> Synx|hm: so like google number to google number over the google leased circuits....
2013-06-17T15:41:48  <Shadow404> hmmmm
2013-06-17T15:42:10  <Shadow404> not sure, good question
2013-06-17T15:42:26  <Shadow404> its sorta like a microsoft communicator ip voice call to antoher desk phone
2013-06-17T15:42:59  <jonnyx> Even in 2004, google exceeded the NSA in terms of raw processing power and storage capacity; google was #1 in the world, NSA a distant #2. After ex-NSA guy took over HWops, the big data retention lawsuit between google & the US gov't was quietly settled. Connect the dots, follow the money, etc.
2013-06-17T15:43:09  <Synx|hm> ya, i guess what defines the fcc's world, circuit switched? if thats the case im guessing lots of phone traffic is not circuit switched anymore
2013-06-17T15:45:37  <Synx|hm> unless in that the last feet my voip lines moves to copper circuit switching grandfathers me into fcc rules
2013-06-17T15:46:58  <Dagmar> LOOOL
2013-06-17T15:47:00  <Synx|hm> if thats the case im connecting all my google voice lines to my PAP3 right now
2013-06-17T15:47:28  <Synx|hm> and going file a complaint with google
2013-06-17T15:47:43  <aestetix> jonnyx: any idea why the "real names" policy happened?
2013-06-17T15:47:45  <Dagmar> Despite me saying "Annoyingly, Apache doesn't log connections with no request in them" netsec has requested our logs for a specific time window on a host with 200+ vhosts
2013-06-17T15:47:53  <Synx|hm> s/PAP3/PAP2
2013-06-17T15:47:53  <aestetix> since it seems unorthodox to the rest of the company
2013-06-17T15:47:58  <Dagmar> Presumably so they can tell me about hte issue I reported to them
2013-06-17T15:48:21  <Dagmar> Now sending email containing tar.gz with over 500 gzipped access_log segments in it to a Windows user.
2013-06-17T15:49:16  <jonnyx> Synx: good luck with that; wonder what would happen if google just starting deleting the accounts of people who complain & banning access to their services...
2013-06-17T15:49:38  <Synx|hm> my world would be ruined
2013-06-17T15:49:44  <Dagmar> There'd be a lot less spurious bullshit from blog authors who use Google
2013-06-17T15:49:45  <Synx|hm> i use google for everything
2013-06-17T15:50:16  <Synx|hm> i ported my cell number to google years ago and use the GV integration on my sprint phone
2013-06-17T15:50:27  <jonnyx> aestetix: nope, sorry; after my time
2013-06-17T15:50:28  <Synx|hm> use google apps to manage my domain and a few other GV numbers too
2013-06-17T15:50:33  <aestetix> jonnyx: I figured
2013-06-17T15:50:54  <Shadow404> i dont think the nsa monitors real time
2013-06-17T15:50:57  <Dagmar> jonnyx: Following the money reveals that someone other than Google also bought a fuckload of disks
2013-06-17T15:51:18  <Synx|hm> ugh i need coffee
2013-06-17T15:51:46  <Dagmar> Synx: My favorite thing is Sprint's "Visual Voicemail"
2013-06-17T15:52:00  <Dagmar> It's a voicemail transcription "service" which is an additional fee per month.
2013-06-17T15:52:19  <Dagmar> Every time you reflash a Sprint image, it'll hassle you about trying their premium service for free
2013-06-17T15:52:27  <jonnyx> aestetix: try checking with one of the (former) se2600 folks who still works there, assuming they haven't been completely absorbed by the Collective
2013-06-17T15:52:37  <Dagmar> Apparently when I last reflashed this GS3, I must have accidentally accepted it
2013-06-17T15:52:56  <Dagmar> A few minutes later I got an email from Google confirming moving my voicemail over to Google voic
2013-06-17T15:53:14  <Dagmar> So basically, these fuckers charge you to turn your Google Voice mail notifications into an SMS
2013-06-17T15:53:30  <aestetix> jonnyx: I haven't been able to get a straight answer from anyone about it.
2013-06-17T15:53:38  <jonnyx> Dag - that would be the NSA; right before google went public, we realized we were competing with them for some of the same hardware.
2013-06-17T15:53:50  <aestetix> Every response has been a piece of bullshit that can be ripped apart in about five minutes
2013-06-17T15:54:54  <Dagmar> jonnyx: I know.  As I put it to someone at Bongo the other day, "I'm pretty sure the NSA has enough disks.  Looking into how many disks Google buys from Seagate and Western Digital, they would be a line-item on the quarterly reports.  Yet, strangely, they're not."
2013-06-17T15:57:04  <jonnyx> We (google) were trying to buy ~50% of the mobos and hard drives produced by a couple of vendors that quarter (Asus and Western Digital, IIRC), and were getting some pushback. Turns out the NSA was trying to buy ~33% of the quarterly volume of some of the same hardware. Vendors were reluctant to sell to both of us at the same time as it would have made their footprint in the commercial world
2013-06-17T15:57:04  <jonnyx> extremely small for the next several months (leading into Xmas season).
2013-06-17T15:58:27  <Synx|hm> jonnyx: what did you do at google?
2013-06-17T15:58:59  <Synx|hm> Dagmar: haha i had a hunch they were using GV for their backend what a joke
2013-06-17T15:59:47  <aestetix> Hmm.
2013-06-17T16:00:01  <aestetix> I'm actually really curious now what percentage of phone users use google voice
2013-06-17T16:00:15  <aestetix> Since IIRC one of the terms of using google voice is that google can monitor/save all your conversations
2013-06-17T16:00:15  <jonnyx> HWops, specifically datacenter buildout in Atlanta. I wound up playing with the big routers mostly before I left, though I also worked on their OOB serial comm stuff too (and wrote some docs that they apparently still use).
2013-06-17T16:00:54  <Synx|hm> cool, what caused to you leave?
2013-06-17T16:03:16  <jonnyx> internal politics (somewhat literally) involving a manager with no real management experience (or people skills), and a change in the way contractors/employees-to-be were treated after they went public
2013-06-17T16:03:22  <RangerZ> aestetix: google only uses your recordings for voice recognition training if you specifically add a transcription and recording to the set for them to use
2013-06-17T16:03:47  <RangerZ> i use google voice a lot, and I really enjoy it, makes life so much easier , etc
2013-06-17T16:03:47  <Dagmar> Do tell?
2013-06-17T16:03:55  <Dagmar> How does one submit thta?
2013-06-17T16:04:21  <RangerZ> on the website, say if a transcription was useful or not
2013-06-17T16:04:29  <RangerZ> and then it gives you an option to submit it
2013-06-17T16:04:38  <Dagmar> Ahh
2013-06-17T16:05:13  <Dagmar> Lopeppeppy: This is exactly why you need to "mistakenly" sing slightly altered versions of the songs
2013-06-17T16:05:14  <aestetix> RangerZ: and how long do they store that data for?
2013-06-17T16:05:18  <Synx|hm> RangerZ: so nothing in the EULA about they recording and maintaining calls?
2013-06-17T16:05:21  <aestetix> And what happens if they get subpoenas for one?
2013-06-17T16:05:34  <RangerZ> 6 months after you delete it , via fed. retention laws
2013-06-17T16:05:35  <jonnyx> I did get an apology from them ~6 weeks later and an offer to return (if I was willing to relocate to another facility), but declined it. Apology/offer were partially prompted by the suicide of another coworker and subsequent investigation into the Atlanta management.
2013-06-17T16:06:08  <Synx|hm> wow sorry to hear that jonnyx
2013-06-17T16:06:27  <aestetix> jonnyx: seems like there are a lot of managers like that
2013-06-17T16:06:32  <jonnyx> Google wasn't used to people quiting in protest and/or blowing their brains out due to work stress, apparently. I have zero interest in finding out if things have changed since.
2013-06-17T16:06:39  <RangerZ> they don't record calls, unless it is a voice mail, or you specifically tell it to record it (via pressing 4 during a convo)
2013-06-17T16:07:07  <RangerZ> jonnyx: i'm pretty sure it has, i have friends at both pitt and mountainview
2013-06-17T16:07:15  <RangerZ> but 'ehh'
2013-06-17T16:07:25  <Synx|hm> ive always been curious how the call routing works, if i make a call using my sprint cell that goes out with caller id of my GV number do i actually hit google servers
2013-06-17T16:08:36  <jonnyx> RangerZ - I'm sure it has, due if nothing else to their growth & people who were there at the start cashing out.
2013-06-17T16:09:11  <RangerZ> anyways
2013-06-17T16:09:17  <RangerZ> did my 8hrs at work today already
2013-06-17T16:09:28  <RangerZ> going home to play with OUYA that was delivered today, lol
2013-06-17T16:09:36  <RangerZ> bbiab all
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2013-06-17T16:12:30  <jonnyx> Problem was, at the time I was there you could be working under someone who in 2003 was working in a team with 2 other people, managing a dozen or so racks in shared datacenter space; a year later they have 50+ people working under them (and more each month) and are co-managing a couple of datacenters that stared at 0 google servers & grew to 100k each within six months, with even faster growth
2013-06-17T16:12:30  <jonnyx> expected in 2005.
2013-06-17T16:13:14  <Synx|hm> the number of systems operated by the likes of google and amazon blows my mind
2013-06-17T16:13:38  <Synx|hm> i cant even fathom attempting to come up with a strategy to manage that many systems
2013-06-17T16:14:21  <jonnyx> Rigid standardization + lots of low-paid grunts to replace bad parts & move cables.
2013-06-17T16:14:50  <jonnyx> Keep multiple copies of data in physically separate locations.
2013-06-17T16:18:01  <jonnyx> Set things up properly the first time (hw & sw), keep as few people as possible from fucking with it, have redundant systems for everything.
2013-06-17T16:18:22  <Synx|hm> how about logon credentials at that level
2013-06-17T16:18:30  <Synx|hm> i guess its all linked to a domain of sorts
2013-06-17T16:18:33  <Synx|hm> nm
2013-06-17T16:18:38  <jonnyx> Which level?
2013-06-17T16:19:24  <Synx|hm> i dont even know what level im talking about haha, i was just trying to think if was responsible to thousands of servers, how would i keep them secure from employee turn over and how would i make sure they are all maintained
2013-06-17T16:19:31  <Synx|hm> but any corporation has these issues
2013-06-17T16:23:23  <jonnyx> If outside the google.com networks, ssh into the google.com domain, login + pw + one of those one-time-pad calculator thingies, then login + pw to your relevant *.google.com subdomain, iirc
2013-06-17T16:23:55  <jonnyx> ,,,and SecOps watches all...
2013-06-17T16:24:11  <Synx|hm> so what ever happend to that BIG announcement Yubico was going to make about a partner ship with Google
2013-06-17T16:24:22  <Synx|hm> they got me all excited and then said nothing
2013-06-17T16:24:32  <jonnyx> who/what is yubico?
2013-06-17T16:24:52  <Synx|hm> www.yubico.com
2013-06-17T16:25:07  <Synx|hm> its a OTP secure token similar to an RSA token
2013-06-17T16:25:26  <Synx|hm> except its got USB and looks like a keyboard to your computer
2013-06-17T16:25:32  <jonnyx> "Ah," and "beats me"
2013-06-17T16:25:39  <Synx|hm> ;)
2013-06-17T16:28:36  <Synx|hm> hrm if i answer my cell too quick from a GV call i never get connected
2013-06-17T16:28:38  <Synx|hm> :(
2013-06-17T16:29:16  <Dagmar> They're not publicly traded, either.
2013-06-17T16:29:24  <Dagmar> _Very_ annoying, that.
2013-06-17T16:29:57  <Synx|hm> Yubi? you dont like them being so closed doors?
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2013-06-17T16:40:31  <Dagmar> No, I don't like that I can't throw money at them.
2013-06-17T16:41:11  <Dagmar> They're established enough that they're a solid company, and I don't see them collapsing anytime soon, but a partnership with Google would make their stock go up considerably.
2013-06-17T16:45:37  <aestetix> http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2013/jun/17/supreme-court-arizona-voter-id?guni=Network%20front:network-front%20main-3%20Main%20trailblock:Network%20front%20-%20main%20trailblock:Position1
2013-06-17T16:45:39  <GateKeeper> Title: US supreme court strikes down Arizona's voter registration law | Law | guardian.co.uk (at www.guardian.co.uk)
2013-06-17T16:45:43  <aestetix> This is *very* interesting
2013-06-17T16:45:53  <Synx|hm> wtf, why does google wallet now need a copy of my SSN card, my drivers license, and a utility bill dated with in 60days for me to use the wallet app on my cell
2013-06-17T16:46:11  <aestetix> Also, it's scary when I agree with Scalia
2013-06-17T16:46:31  <Synx|hm> Dagmar: oh ya me too id invested in them too if they went public
2013-06-17T16:46:36  <Synx|hm> cats out of the bag now though
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2013-06-17T16:50:40  <opticron> Synx|hm, when did this happen?
2013-06-17T16:50:45  <opticron> the google wallet stuff
2013-06-17T16:51:00  <opticron> mine hasn't requested that
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2013-06-17T16:53:06  <jim_ec2> i still can't get it :(
2013-06-17T16:57:14  <aestetix> google wallet is the new version of google checkout right?
2013-06-17T16:57:24  <aestetix> where they are trying to get people to send money through gchat and such
2013-06-17T16:57:32  <RangerZ> tasting rainbows
2013-06-17T16:57:37  <RangerZ> herding cats
2013-06-17T16:57:42  <Synx|hm> opticron: not sure i may have induced it... i had to hack my gwallet app a while back to get it to work, lately its been not working so someone told me to "validate" my account on the website, so i tried that and it first asked there for the info
2013-06-17T16:57:43  <RangerZ> downloading the awesomesauce
2013-06-17T16:57:56  <RangerZ> all of OUYA's patcher's notificaitons, LOL
2013-06-17T16:57:58  <opticron> Synx|hm, weird
2013-06-17T16:58:17  <Synx|hm> since ive done that, i dont get a 'failed to connect' error any more on my android, i get a please provide us your validation which is ssn proof of address and license
2013-06-17T16:58:38  <Synx|hm> im going to complete whipe my cell now anyways, ill see if it comes back
2013-06-17T16:58:58  <Synx|hm> i dont really feel like giving google all those details even though they probably aready have them... i get my bills in email
2013-06-17T16:59:35  <jim_ec2> yeah because they care about the content in your email
2013-06-17T17:00:15  <Synx|hm> ok ok fine
2013-06-17T17:00:53  <Synx|hm> its the same shit mtgox pulled
2013-06-17T17:01:15  <Synx|hm> but i guess they (the federal govt) require it ?
2013-06-17T17:01:35  <opticron> not for me, apparently
2013-06-17T17:01:41  <opticron> I gave them credit card info and nothing else
2013-06-17T17:01:41  <jim_ec2> yeah the "know your account holder" rule
2013-06-17T17:01:54  <jim_ec2> if it's an exchange or bank account
2013-06-17T17:02:07  <Synx|hm> opticron: i did the same before and i still think i can use google checkout, ill have to test it
2013-06-17T17:02:28  <Synx|hm> the guy i called on the phone couldn't tell me what changed for them to require the info from me
2013-06-17T17:02:47  <jim_ec2> checkout is going away
2013-06-17T17:03:04  <jim_ec2> basically they aren't going to be a gateway anymore
2013-06-17T17:03:14  <Synx|hm> oh right they are going to third party processors right?
2013-06-17T17:03:29  <jim_ec2> yup, they reccomend some
2013-06-17T17:03:47  <jim_ec2> to switch to before they close checkout
2013-06-17T17:04:19  <jim_ec2> which only sucks for any e-commerce sites that use/allow google checkout
2013-06-17T17:05:38  <Synx|hm> hrm so whats going to happen to the hulu account i got for my grandparents that i dont have the slighest clue what the password is and keeps hitting my google wallet each month
2013-06-17T17:06:16  <jim_ec2> wallet still exists
2013-06-17T17:06:27  <jim_ec2> they are only getting rid of checkout
2013-06-17T17:06:40  <Synx|hm> ya isn't checkout how hulu is processing my charges?
2013-06-17T17:07:02  <Synx|hm> maybe i dont get the diff
2013-06-17T17:07:51  <Synx|hm> hey Dagmar you ever make that Sprint NSA logo?
2013-06-17T17:09:17  <jim_ec2> did you basically pay for it by logging into your google account and picking a payment method that way?
2013-06-17T17:09:29  <Synx|hm> yup
2013-06-17T17:10:47  <jim_ec2> yeah, you'll need to setup a different payment method soon
2013-06-17T17:11:10  <jim_ec2> november is when it shuts down
2013-06-17T17:11:15  <Synx|hm> so what can google wallet do without checkout?  just store my NFC creds on my android?
2013-06-17T17:11:38  <jim_ec2> yup and facilitate charging
2013-06-17T17:12:06  <Synx|hm> so on normal web checkouts i wont be able to use my google account anymore?
2013-06-17T17:12:14  <jim_ec2> lol i just googled google checkout, clicked the link, it asked me to sign in, now it wants me to agree to wallet TOS
2013-06-17T17:12:16  <Synx|hm> aside from the playstore i guess
2013-06-17T17:12:23  <jim_ec2> right
2013-06-17T17:12:28  <Synx|hm> ahh
2013-06-17T17:12:57  <jim_ec2> lol i clicked agree and got a service unavailable page
2013-06-17T17:13:44  <jim_ec2> hmmm, yeah they are just redirecting checkout to wallet
2013-06-17T17:13:58  <jim_ec2> but it imported all my old checkout invoices/purchases
2013-06-17T17:14:59  <jim_ec2> wow, it doesn't use my google account info at all
2013-06-17T17:15:15  <jim_ec2> i haven't used checkout since I lived in hendersonville
2013-06-17T17:16:14  <jim_ec2> damn, it's failing to save my updated info
2013-06-17T17:16:28  <jim_ec2> i haven't seen this low of quality from google in a while
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2013-06-17T17:22:42  <RangerZ> got the OUYA, system UI is MUCH more responsive, etc than the first videos of it, and games are responsive too, don't have time to play with it, but i'm waiting more for XBMC than anything else
2013-06-17T17:23:17  <Synx|hm> RangerZ: i had never heard of it until you said something a few hours back
2013-06-17T17:23:20  <Synx|hm> its a game console?
2013-06-17T17:23:25  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-06-17T17:23:32  <RangerZ> kickstarter'd one
2013-06-17T17:23:41  <RangerZ> pretty nice little SOC
2013-06-17T17:23:44  <RangerZ> tegra3
2013-06-17T17:24:10  <RangerZ> controller is blutooth and pretty nice
2013-06-17T17:24:19  <Synx|hm> hdmi?
2013-06-17T17:24:29  <RangerZ> has a 360 esk controller with touchpad on top like new ps4 controller
2013-06-17T17:24:35  <RangerZ> yes, HDMI and wifi and ethernet
2013-06-17T17:24:39  <frsilent> RangerZ: I held off on getting one because I didn't see many games
2013-06-17T17:24:39  <Synx|hm> gigabit?
2013-06-17T17:24:46  <RangerZ> honestly don't know
2013-06-17T17:25:01  <frsilent> any news on that? ie did it pick up more games, make games easier to port for it, etc
2013-06-17T17:25:22  <RangerZ> Networking and Wireless:10/100 Ethernet (8P8C)[25][29], 802.11 b/g/n, Bluetooth LE 4.0
2013-06-17T17:25:46  <Synx|hm> ahh
2013-06-17T17:26:08  <RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouya
2013-06-17T17:26:09  <GateKeeper> Title: Ouya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2013-06-17T17:26:12  <Synx|hm> i really want a device with gigabit, having network performance issues getting raw bluray to stream on my boxee, (though im guessing its shitting boxee)
2013-06-17T17:26:20  <RangerZ> but only 4.5w power usage
2013-06-17T17:26:50  <RangerZ> and it runs android 4.1
2013-06-17T17:26:59  <RangerZ> overall, it has pretty much everything i want
2013-06-17T17:30:44  <aestetix> RangerZ: cool
2013-06-17T17:30:58  <RangerZ> i really just want a good video playback box
2013-06-17T17:31:02  <RangerZ> and games are 'nice'
2013-06-17T17:31:11  <RangerZ> especially for mom, friends, etc
2013-06-17T17:31:17  <RangerZ> i got an extra controller for 30$
2013-06-17T17:31:21  <RangerZ> which are now 50$
2013-06-17T17:36:27  <aestetix> fucking 600 meg download
2013-06-17T17:36:30  <aestetix> thank god for torrents
2013-06-17T17:47:10  <Dagmar> Whazzit... the MK-303 or something
2013-06-17T17:47:45  <Dagmar> I've got this little gumstick thing, but it's got HDMI output
2013-06-17T17:50:14  <Shadow404> dammit
2013-06-17T17:50:26  <Shadow404> this on and off rain is pissing me off and slowing down my house move
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2013-06-17T17:51:16  <Dagmar> ...and just think, if you were to take bold, authoritative action and start a campaign to put an end to the abuses of weather, people would call you a madman!
2013-06-17T17:51:38  <Shadow404> inorite?
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2013-06-17T17:52:19  <Shadow404> like i step outside and it starts
2013-06-17T17:52:26  <Shadow404> go in and pack more and it stops
2013-06-17T17:52:36  <Shadow404> go to load the vehicle with more and rains again
2013-06-17T17:52:44  <Shadow404> so now i have more packed boxes than space
2013-06-17T18:10:45  <Dagmar> You should probably stop packing rain, then.
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2013-06-17T18:30:04  <Shadow404> gah, i need to load the flatscreen
2013-06-17T18:30:50  <RangerZ> do it in the rain
2013-06-17T18:30:52  <RangerZ> protip
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2013-06-17T19:04:37  <aestetix> well
2013-06-17T19:04:44  <aestetix> looks like I just toasted that flash drive. oops
2013-06-17T19:08:12  <aestetix> sales interns = 21 year old hot chicks
2013-06-17T19:08:22  <aestetix> and the workplace does not have an anti-dating policy
2013-06-17T19:08:45  <RangerZ> aestetix: where do i send my resume?
2013-06-17T19:09:46  <aestetix> I will simply say this
2013-06-17T19:09:57  <aestetix> coworker dating directly contributed to some drama we had about 6 months ago
2013-06-17T19:22:46  <Shadow404> that'll happen
2013-06-17T20:08:32  <aestetix> ok
2013-06-17T20:08:37  <aestetix> disk utility, format, etc all failed
2013-06-17T20:08:42  <aestetix> time for my last resort, dd
2013-06-17T20:11:55  <Shadow404> have you tried hitting it with a hammer?
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2013-06-17T20:38:27  <Shadow404> did you check the whisper drive and reboot the matrix?
2013-06-17T20:47:24  <Shadow404> did you invert the diagnostic array to check for quantime worm holes?
2013-06-17T20:47:51  <Shadow404> was there any spare energy around the vortex conduit?
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2013-06-17T21:16:45  <Evilpig> aestetix: take one of the hot interns and pack her up in a crate and ship her here.  interns aren't humans so they don't have any rights to worry about. ;)
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2013-06-17T21:21:53  <Dagmar> aestetix: Is is showing up in syslog when you plug it in?  If not, it's dead.  If it is, dd'ing it with zeros will probably sort it out.
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2013-06-17T21:22:07  <Dagmar> ...and stop trying to use fdisk on thumbdrives.  It fucks up some of the older ones (don't ask me how)
2013-06-17T21:22:26  <Shadow404> Evilpig: i like your suggestion
2013-06-17T21:22:52  <Evilpig> Shadow404: just so we're clear.  my idea, I get first dibs.
2013-06-17T21:22:53  <Shadow404> but make sure you get a pre-paid return label in case shes ugly
2013-06-17T21:23:52  <Evilpig> I trust aestetix's judgement.
2013-06-17T21:24:23  <Shadow404> wow, really?
2013-06-17T21:24:34  <Shadow404> i mean this is the guy that says penis at least once a day on irc
2013-06-17T21:24:59  <Evilpig> yup.  he also knows hot women
2013-06-17T21:25:03  <Shadow404> ok
2013-06-17T21:25:07  <Shadow404> so i got a query on that
2013-06-17T21:28:42  <Shadow404> ok, waiting results....
2013-06-17T21:30:18  <Evilpig> I'm about ready to go visit my new upstairs neighbor and instruct them on how to walk
2013-06-17T21:30:52  <Evilpig> that or I'm gonna go pick up some subs and mount them to my ceiling and start blasting the brown note at them
2013-06-17T21:31:05  <Shadow404> lawl
2013-06-17T21:31:17  <Shadow404> ok, so who has experience with tv wall mounts?
2013-06-17T21:31:17  <Dagmar> You really want to wobble the center frequency between 11hz and 14hz and keep the volume relatively low
2013-06-17T21:31:37  <Dagmar> Start at silent and then turn it up a bit until you're creeped out
2013-06-17T21:31:45  <Evilpig> heh
2013-06-17T21:31:52  <Shadow404> and walk away for coffee
2013-06-17T21:32:04  <Dagmar> Get it right and you'll be able to cause a sense of unease and night terrors
2013-06-17T21:32:30  <Dagmar> ...and nice and low like that keeps it from being discernable as coming from the floor
2013-06-17T21:32:54  <Dagmar> Worst case scenario, people will dismiss it as distant trucks going by
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2013-06-17T21:34:38  <Dagmar> Note that regardless of the reported frequency response, any 12" sub (which doesn't have a built in low-pass filter) is perfectly capable of generating 11hz-14hz tones
2013-06-17T21:39:10  <Evilpig> I've got to confess to watching this first season of redneck island. commence mocking.
2013-06-17T21:40:27  <Evilpig> I've also realized, I met the gay dude before he went on that show.  He had come into the store ashley was working in a few years ago looking for a cowboy hat to take on that show.
2013-06-17T21:40:52  <Corydon76-work> Evilpig:  did you really need to see your family members that badly?
2013-06-17T21:41:27  <Evilpig> Corydon76-work: I was looking for real rednecks they would have been funny.  half of these people said they'd never fired a bow before
2013-06-17T21:41:52  <Dagmar> Not much room for that in the trailer park
2013-06-17T21:41:55  <Corydon76-work> In other words, trailer trash
2013-06-17T21:42:01  <Corydon76-work> Yah
2013-06-17T21:42:11  <Evilpig> nah, just southerners
2013-06-17T21:42:38  <Corydon76-work> I grew up in Pennsylvania, and I've messed with a bow before
2013-06-17T21:42:47  <Evilpig> one of them was from columbia, sc.  just because it was in the south that doesn't make em a redneck
2013-06-17T21:43:05  <Corydon76-work> Thurston Howell III
2013-06-17T21:44:24  <oddball> Evilpig: There's also the issue that if they used real red necks, the producers would have decided that they needed to add subtitles.
2013-06-17T21:44:36  <oddball> Which they did for that moonshiner's show.
2013-06-17T21:45:21  <Evilpig> heh.  it would have been entertaining though.  I have said before I don't understand the need for teh subtitles on the moonshiners.  I understand them clearly
2013-06-17T21:46:14  <Corydon76-work> The 2008 election could have benefited from subtitles when Palin spoke
2013-06-17T21:49:11  <Evilpig> "spell the word vermin"  contestant: vermin? what is that? i've never heard that.
2013-06-17T21:50:43  <Evilpig> they just asked the blonde "the current flag of the united states has 52 stars.  true or false?"   she doesn't know
2013-06-17T21:51:53  <oddball> Ah... so they just found some stupid people who happened to be from the south and labeled them rednecks.
2013-06-17T21:52:00  <Evilpig> ding ding ding
2013-06-17T21:52:23  <Evilpig> they had maybe three or four real rednecks and they cracked me up.
2013-06-17T21:52:40  <LastChild> Only true redneck was the host
2013-06-17T21:52:57  <Evilpig> steve austin? yeah that fits
2013-06-17T21:53:44  <Evilpig> bobo was a redneck.  he opened a beer with his teeth.  not just popped the tab, but pulled the whole top of the can off.
2013-06-17T21:55:11  <oddball> That'll do
2013-06-17T21:55:28  <Corydon76-work> Peaches just made sweet water with 4 tea bags when he should have used 12
2013-06-17T21:56:02  <Evilpig> Corydon76-work: you can fix that.  just brew up some more really strong and mix
2013-06-17T21:56:25  <Corydon76-work> The 3 quart pitcher is almost full right now
2013-06-17T21:56:55  <Evilpig> I think i'll make some tea here in a bit as well
2013-06-17T21:57:04  <Corydon76-work> So he'll have to drink some before I can do that
2013-06-17T22:29:28  <notlarry> Dave Chappelle is at the Ryman Sunday?
2013-06-17T22:31:27  <Corydon76-work> Okay, repaired the tea.  I can't wait until he tries some tomorrow
2013-06-17T22:34:05  <Corydon76-work> Y'know, what I probably should do is use the mortar & pestle on a few tablets of No-Doz and dissolve them in the tea
2013-06-17T22:47:02  <oddball> Corydon76-work: Do you want me to just hang on to the projector until the July meeting?
2013-06-17T22:47:25  <Corydon76-work> Sure, that's fine
2013-06-17T22:49:23  <oddball> cool
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2013-06-17T23:42:01  <RangerZ> https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/393432_10150436221011840_1704210376_n.jpg
2013-06-17T23:42:17  <RangerZ> amused me greatly
2013-06-17T23:44:08  <RangerZ> mostly b/c he has the same beard as Evilpig, lol