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2013-05-30T03:29:13  <aestetix> man
2013-05-30T03:29:22  <aestetix> I hate server outages that happen right when I'm about to go to sleep
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2013-05-30T05:09:56  <wilpig> I hate how IE can't render a website like any other damned browser
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2013-05-30T07:16:14  <Shadow404> RangerZ: was i right about the ending?
2013-05-30T07:49:51  <frsilent> wilpig: hasLayout is the gayest thing ever
2013-05-30T07:50:16  <frsilent> try working for a company that supports ie6 too.... =(
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2013-05-30T07:57:25  <Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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2013-05-30T08:31:59  <wilpig> bah.  I hate trying to shift my sleeping schedule around
2013-05-30T08:34:41  <Dolemite> You mean you actually plan on being awake while driving here tomorrow?
2013-05-30T08:37:46  <Dolemite> wilpig: How many L1, L2, and L3 resonators do you have?
2013-05-30T08:43:18  <wilpig> next to none
2013-05-30T08:43:33  <Dolemite> Ok, I need to talk to Buster, then.  He said he could set up a honeypot for us.
2013-05-30T08:43:51  <wilpig> I've had a few run ins with restartds lately that just about completely depleated my stocks
2013-05-30T08:43:52  <Dolemite> To flip the portals for the tournament we need to set up a lot of low levels for the newbies to take over.
2013-05-30T08:44:04  <Dolemite> Won't do any good to flip half the portals to L5's
2013-05-30T08:45:21  <wilpig> doing laundry now and going to bed shortly.  gonna try to goto bed around midnight tonight
2013-05-30T08:45:39  <wilpig> reworked that stupid javascript last night.  fucking IE.  fuck it
2013-05-30T08:48:00  <frsilent> ^
2013-05-30T08:48:38  <wilpig> what was killing me was the math wasn't adding up
2013-05-30T08:48:42  <frsilent> changing innerHTML?
2013-05-30T08:49:06  <wilpig> nope.
2013-05-30T08:49:19  <wilpig> I never found the answer.  I finally just did an if IE add 17px
2013-05-30T08:49:22  <frsilent> something to do with the dom?
2013-05-30T08:49:23  <frsilent> lol
2013-05-30T08:50:23  <frsilent> was it a javascript crash or just some css not applying correctly?
2013-05-30T08:50:31  <wilpig> the more divs that were nested the further the number skewed but it wasn't by the same amount, it wasn't a padding or border size.  I just finally yelled at it and made it work
2013-05-30T08:50:42  <frsilent> lol
2013-05-30T08:51:21  <frsilent> if you have an ordertunnel.... http://media.kogan.com/files/images/ie7-tax-popup.jpg
2013-05-30T08:51:38  <wilpig> FF and IE rendering the same page were off by exactly 5 on this one div with no damn reason
2013-05-30T08:51:51  <wilpig> add another div and it jumped to 12px
2013-05-30T08:52:02  <frsilent> weird, sounds like some element might not have had the hasLayout property
2013-05-30T08:52:20  <wilpig> no idea.  but I finally made it happy
2013-05-30T08:52:47  <frsilent> glad you could find a hack-around
2013-05-30T08:52:55  <wilpig> tis the hacker way
2013-05-30T08:53:22  <frsilent> only concern I would have is different resolutions if you added static positioning values
2013-05-30T08:53:48  <wilpig> I tried it all over the place on screen sizes
2013-05-30T08:53:49  <Dolemite> wilpig: What do I need to test today?
2013-05-30T08:53:55  <wilpig> screen sizes
2013-05-30T08:54:07  <Dolemite> for what?  switches?
2013-05-30T08:54:13  <wilpig> make sure the right pane doesn't jump down below the menu or anything goofy
2013-05-30T08:54:19  <wilpig> everywhere!
2013-05-30T08:54:27  <wilpig> I made everything look the same
2013-05-30T08:54:44  <wilpig> finally got the config tabs to stop jumping around too
2013-05-30T08:55:53  <wilpig> it was a fix some things that were really just bugging the crap out of the back of my brain night
2013-05-30T08:57:06  <frsilent> wilpig: is this the phreaknic site? looks bootstrappy =D
2013-05-30T08:57:12  <wilpig> no
2013-05-30T08:57:19  <wilpig> and the phreaknic site is bootstrapy
2013-05-30T08:57:42  <wilpig> I needed something quick and didn't feel like going 100% custom again
2013-05-30T08:57:57  <frsilent> oh not a bash...bootstrap's awesome
2013-05-30T08:58:06  <frsilent> it's just that I see it everywhere
2013-05-30T08:58:08  <wilpig> and I haven't had any good creative days to work on custom graphics to smooth itout
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2013-05-30T11:39:25  <oddball> hmm.... I may have my Caddy back in time for the drive tomorrow... or I'll be driving my mom's Buick Enclave.
2013-05-30T11:40:22  <oddball> 'cause there's no way in hell we're driving Naienko's Del Sol, and the battery in the Fiero is completely dead.
2013-05-30T11:56:05  <aestetix> ok
2013-05-30T11:56:08  <aestetix> since you're the choir
2013-05-30T11:56:14  <aestetix> I got a followup email from the reporter
2013-05-30T11:56:20  <aestetix> Thanks for responding! Could you go into more detail about how online anonymity was impacted as a result of the Liberty Reserve shutdown?
2013-05-30T11:56:27  <aestetix> here's my response thus far
2013-05-30T11:56:27  <aestetix> The main impact is in public perception. A lot of people don't know very much about online anonymity, and the only times they hear about it are when bad things happen. As a result, a common answer to "why would anyone need online anonymity" is "to commit a crime," which then leads to all kinds of other questions like "why can't someone just use their legal name online?" and "what do you have to hide?"
2013-05-30T11:56:34  <aestetix> So in an event like the Liberty Reserve shutdown, a lot of people may draw the conclusion that a solution to prevent illegal activity from happening is to force people to use their legal names online, which winds up impacting all kinds of other people who *need* online anonymity.
2013-05-30T11:56:59  <aestetix> I'm trying to make it super simple, since i assume people reading are only quasi-technical
2013-05-30T11:57:00  <Dickie> Privacy does not imply guilt, and to think so is a dangerous position to take.
2013-05-30T11:57:10  <aestetix> Dickie: right
2013-05-30T11:58:07  <aestetix> how does that answer read?
2013-05-30T11:58:23  <aestetix> I figure crowdsourcing this is useful because all of you are affected by thse issues ;)
2013-05-30T11:58:52  <Dickie> For the populace, you need analogies
2013-05-30T11:59:29  <aestetix> hmm
2013-05-30T11:59:38  <Dickie> "Imagine you're a potato..."
2013-05-30T11:59:52  <Dickie> but srs, analogies
2013-05-30T12:00:03  <aestetix> the window curtain analogy usually works
2013-05-30T12:00:19  <aestetix> imagine if the government banned all window curtains so they could look into your house to make sure you weren't doing anything illegal
2013-05-30T12:00:58  <aestetix> Do you think that describes it well enough?
2013-05-30T12:01:57  <Dickie> I can see people saying "who needs online anonymity?"
2013-05-30T12:02:12  <Dickie> You're going to informative insted of persuasive.
2013-05-30T12:02:12  <aestetix> Ah, right.
2013-05-30T12:02:22  <Dickie> for informative*
2013-05-30T12:03:00  <Dickie> May want to consider forming your explanation in a way that makes people want to make a decision about the issue, using facts, of course
2013-05-30T12:03:18  <Dickie> any of that subtle manipulation and I'll pop ya
2013-05-30T12:03:23  <aestetix> lol
2013-05-30T12:04:18  <oddball> aestetix: Yeah... sadly way too many people don't see the problem with the statement "what do you have to hide?"  Me personally? Sends chills down my spine, and I want to respond with "oh, so you'd be ok with mounting public access cameras in your bedroom?  I mean... you don't have anything to hide, do you?"
2013-05-30T12:04:38  <Dickie> socially taboo interests
2013-05-30T12:05:01  <Dickie> which are perfectly legal and can amount to something simple like politics or religion
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2013-05-30T12:05:10  <Dickie> Not always crazy porn
2013-05-30T12:05:20  <aestetix> Dickie: yeah, but I don't want to mention taboos right now
2013-05-30T12:05:29  <Dickie> Erright
2013-05-30T12:05:54  <aestetix> I'm trying to think of an example that isn't inherently negative
2013-05-30T12:06:10  <aestetix> like whistleblowers and domestic abuser survivors are surrdouned by negative things
2013-05-30T12:06:38  <oddball> Transgender folks
2013-05-30T12:06:43  <Dickie> heroes usually combat the negative
2013-05-30T12:07:22  <Dickie> oddball: You see, that won't sway the populace, either. The Internet is a hotbed of alternative cultures which my grandmother strongly disapproves of.
2013-05-30T12:07:38  <aestetix> oddball: that's a little too "extreme" for mass media
2013-05-30T12:07:39  <aestetix> however
2013-05-30T12:07:49  <oddball> Oh, aestetix, have you heard of the instances where some gun bloggers have been targeted by anti-gun groups up to and including sending child services to their homes because there were guns in the same house as children?
2013-05-30T12:07:54  <aestetix> someone who is asking questions about being queer who doesn't want their parents to find out
2013-05-30T12:07:58  <aestetix> that might work
2013-05-30T12:08:16  <Dickie> socially taboo interests
2013-05-30T12:08:18  <Dickie> Gah
2013-05-30T12:08:24  * Dickie flips a table
2013-05-30T12:08:34  <aestetix> Thanks to Obama, queerness is way less of a taboo now
2013-05-30T12:08:48  <Dickie> One more reason to vote Republican!
2013-05-30T12:08:53  <Dickie> aaaaaaand I'm out
2013-05-30T12:08:56  <Dickie> tip your waitress
2013-05-30T12:09:20  <opticron> just the tip
2013-05-30T12:09:48  <aestetix> For example, imagine you're a teenager who is gay, but not out to your parents, and trying to find a support group. Using onliny anonymity might be the safest way to get the community you need.
2013-05-30T12:09:50  <oddball> Oh, and the story a little while ago where a parent posted a picture of their 13(?) year old with his birthday present... a .22 AR-15 look alike rifle.  Some called the cops on them for giving their kid "a machine gun."
2013-05-30T12:10:46  <oddball> Cops showed up and threatened to take away the kid unless they could search the house without a warrant.  They finally left when the home owner wouldn't be bullied.
2013-05-30T12:12:17  <aestetix> For example, imagine you're a gay teenager who is in the closet and exploring your identity for the first time. Is it really the government's responsibility to out you?
2013-05-30T12:13:06  <aestetix> responsibility doesn't seem like the best word
2013-05-30T12:14:18  <oddball> Also, frankly, either we, as a society, need to loosen the fuck up or college kids need to use non-"real" names when posting pictures of frat parties online.
2013-05-30T12:14:34  <aestetix> yeah
2013-05-30T12:14:36  <aestetix> there is that too
2013-05-30T12:14:49  <oddball> Because it seems a lot of older folks seem to have very selctive memories about their college days.
2013-05-30T12:16:13  <oddball> I still contend that it should be the burden of the folks pushing real names to prove that it's a significant benifit to the users, since psuedonyms have been working for, what, 20+ years now?
2013-05-30T12:16:41  <aestetix> ok how's this
2013-05-30T12:16:47  <aestetix> For example, imagine you're a gay teenager who is in the closet and using online advice forums to explore your identity for the first time. Is it really the government's responsibility to out you?
2013-05-30T12:18:33  <aestetix> maybe Should the government be able to out you?
2013-05-30T12:20:02  <aestetix> ok I think I'm good now
2013-05-30T12:21:08  <aestetix> The main impact is in public perception. A lot of people don't know very much about online anonymity, and the only times they hear about it are when bad things happen. As a result, a common answer to "why would anyone need online anonymity" is "to commit a crime," which then leads to all kinds of other questions like "why can't someone just use their legal name online?" and "what do you have to hide?"
2013-05-30T12:21:15  <aestetix> So in an event like the Liberty Reserve shutdown, a lot of people may draw the conclusion that a solution to prevent illegal activity from happening is to force people to use their legal names online, which winds up impacting all kinds of other people who *need* online anonymity. For example, imagine you're a gay teenager who is in the closet and using online advice forums to explore your identity for the first time. Should the government be able to out
2013-05-30T12:21:21  <aestetix> that should work
2013-05-30T13:23:54  <aestetix> ok
2013-05-30T13:23:55  <aestetix> So in an event like the Liberty Reserve shutdown, a lot of people may draw the conclusion that a solution to prevent illegal activity from happening is to force people to use their legal names online, which winds up impacting all kinds of other people who *need* online anonymity. For example, imagine you're a gay teenager who is in the closet and using online advice forums to explore your identity for the first time. Should the government be able to reve
2013-05-30T13:24:01  <aestetix> that reads better
2013-05-30T13:37:07  <RangerZ> or rape victim
2013-05-30T13:37:12  <RangerZ> seeking advice
2013-05-30T13:37:28  <RangerZ> news wont even tell the name of suspected victims anymore
2013-05-30T13:37:29  <RangerZ> which is good
2013-05-30T13:39:47  <RangerZ> [whistle-blowers of "waste, fraud, and abuse"] would get conservatives to back you, lol
2013-05-30T13:40:13  <aestetix> ugh
2013-05-30T13:40:30  <aestetix> it seems like there are a million ways to accidently hurt womens feelings
2013-05-30T13:41:08  <RangerZ> "you're lucky i was able to eat any of your parents food at all" didn't work out so well for me
2013-05-30T13:41:29  <aestetix> lol
2013-05-30T13:41:38  <RangerZ> i was MEANING that they had food that was actually edible where as other family's hadn'
2013-05-30T13:41:41  <RangerZ> hadn't
2013-05-30T13:41:47  <RangerZ> she didn't take it that way
2013-05-30T13:52:41  <aestetix> ok
2013-05-30T13:52:46  <aestetix> anyone here good with mysql replication?
2013-05-30T13:52:48  <aestetix> having an annoying issue
2013-05-30T13:56:06  <RangerZ> i know the graph theory issues that are the root cause of the problem
2013-05-30T13:56:16  <RangerZ> but never worked with administering mysql that much
2013-05-30T13:57:46  <frsilent> aestetix: I could take a look if you pastebin a log or something; Not really strong with it though.
2013-05-30T13:59:21  <aestetix> ahhh
2013-05-30T13:59:28  <aestetix> frsilent: here's the basin issue
2013-05-30T13:59:30  <aestetix> basic
2013-05-30T13:59:34  <aestetix> I have master/slave replication going
2013-05-30T13:59:47  <aestetix> both systems have a binary log file, and a position number
2013-05-30T14:00:01  <aestetix> so, I've been making backups off the slave, to ease off CPU load for the master
2013-05-30T14:00:16  <aestetix> the problem is, the backups are recording the binary log/positions of the slave, not of the master
2013-05-30T14:00:28  <aestetix> I just ran into this when I was trying to sync up a new slave from backup, to the master
2013-05-30T14:00:38  <aestetix> wondering if there's an easy way to translate the numbers
2013-05-30T14:01:02  <aestetix> since it is the same data, just a different log number
2013-05-30T14:01:19  <aestetix> and of course, if I get it off by even a single number, bye bye data integrity
2013-05-30T14:10:37  <frsilent> sorry 1 sec, asking my buddy
2013-05-30T14:13:31  <aestetix> cool
2013-05-30T14:13:32  <aestetix> thanks
2013-05-30T14:13:39  <frsilent> idk, would be surprised if there's not something on http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/replication-howto.html
2013-05-30T14:13:40  <GateKeeper> Title: MySQL :: MySQL 5.0 Reference Manual :: 16.1.1 How to Set Up Replication (at dev.mysql.com)
2013-05-30T14:13:53  <frsilent> asked him because I knew he'd set something up *similar* but he didn't remember
2013-05-30T14:14:20  <aestetix> got it
2013-05-30T14:16:02  <frsilent> oh he just got back to me
2013-05-30T14:16:10  <frsilent> said you have to lock the master & dump it to add a new slave
2013-05-30T14:16:28  <frsilent> idk...not my subject matter at all
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2013-05-30T14:18:41  <frsilent> oddly enough I'm looking through my company's internal wiki since they had a nearly identical problem
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2013-05-30T14:22:00  <aestetix> ok
2013-05-30T14:22:18  <aestetix> yeah, I'm trying to avoid dumping the master :)
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2013-05-30T14:31:16  <eryc> i use xtrabackup
2013-05-30T14:32:11  <eryc> if you want to clone a slave just lock tables and record the master_pos
2013-05-30T14:32:27  <eryc> or just shut it down and tar it up
2013-05-30T14:35:58  <aestetix> ok
2013-05-30T14:36:00  <aestetix> so I have the lsn
2013-05-30T14:36:26  <aestetix> trying to figure out a few things here
2013-05-30T15:02:22  <RangerZ> aestetix: http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/05/in-wake-of-liberty-reserve-bust-mt-gox-will-require-user-verification/
2013-05-30T15:02:23  <GateKeeper> Title: In wake of Liberty Reserve bust, Mt. Gox will require user verification | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
2013-05-30T15:02:39  <RangerZ> because your SQL can wait ;) lol
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2013-05-30T15:29:15  <aestetix> oh jesus
2013-05-30T15:30:01  <aestetix> wait a second
2013-05-30T15:30:27  <aestetix> mt gox was taken down by the government
2013-05-30T15:30:33  <aestetix> and it's back up and requiring verification
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2013-05-30T15:30:50  <aestetix> haven't we learned already that if someone goes down and comes right back up with a slight change, it's probably not trustworthy?
2013-05-30T15:50:57  <Dickie> You can trust us, $FIRST_NAME. We have only your best interest in mind.
2013-05-30T15:52:35  <RangerZ> personally MtGox should have never gone down
2013-05-30T15:52:45  <RangerZ> govt should have just took it over
2013-05-30T15:59:49  <frsilent> anyone interested in this? http://mashable.com/2013/05/29/national-day-civic-hacking/
2013-05-30T16:11:41  <RangerZ> technically i'm not allowed to do those types of things without the dept chair's approval first
2013-05-30T16:11:46  <RangerZ> no "2nd" jobs
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2013-05-30T16:29:52  <Bahhumbug> Uh...  That nonsense isn't enforceable.
2013-05-30T16:30:25  <Bahhumbug> DNCs are, but "no second jobs" crap isn't.
2013-05-30T16:30:50  <Dickie> At-will employment state?
2013-05-30T16:30:59  <Dickie> Everything's enforceable!
2013-05-30T16:33:13  <aestetix> sweet
2013-05-30T16:33:16  <aestetix> payday came a day early
2013-05-30T16:43:18  <Dagmar> Speaking of payday... I just told a Craiglist troll to bring his ass to PhreakNIC if really thinks he's superior to me
2013-05-30T16:43:25  <aestetix> hahaha
2013-05-30T16:43:56  <Dagmar> So, we *might* have a Horrible Testicle Kicking Incident this year if we're lucky
2013-05-30T16:44:03  <Dagmar> I'll make sure he won't breed.
2013-05-30T16:44:41  <Dagmar> I'll crush one testicle because he's a blight on humanity, and the other testicle because of his stupid neg bot
2013-05-30T16:45:57  <Dagmar> Some guy had posted about not being able to get his external USB wifi adapter working, mentioned he uses it because it's both high-gain and directional... I know what he's probably doing but I don't judge, but someone else wanted to do their usual and run off into hte weeds talking about how the antennas in laptop screens are almost always sufficient
2013-05-30T16:46:17  <aestetix> speaking of testicles
2013-05-30T16:46:22  <aestetix> do we have a vagina mode on the website yet?
2013-05-30T16:46:32  <Dagmar> I pointed out to this dude that if someone's using a cantenna, there's generally a very inescapable reason, so there's little point in talking about how great the built in antennas are
2013-05-30T16:46:46  <Dagmar> smack_dat_ho pulls his usual and anonymously chews me out for it
2013-05-30T16:47:02  <Dagmar> I'll kick that guy so hard his five lowest spinal segments will fuse into one
2013-05-30T16:47:21  <Dagmar> I will br suprised indeed if his head does not break a ceiling tile
2013-05-30T16:50:31  <Bahhumbug> Ok, if you can promise me such live entertainment I'll go to Phreaknic this year.
2013-05-30T16:51:09  <aestetix> That's almost as entertaining as watching ware take it in the butt from a bull
2013-05-30T16:51:35  <Dagmar> Bahhumbug: I think this is the motherfucker who used to plague GL under the nym "meg" and claimed to work for Kodak
2013-05-30T16:51:44  <Dagmar> ...which, if that's the case, they live in Atlanta.
2013-05-30T16:51:49  <Dagmar> You could always bring me him as a present
2013-05-30T16:51:56  <Dagmar> It's on your way, right?
2013-05-30T16:52:08  <Bahhumbug> Heh, no.  I'm in Manchester :)
2013-05-30T16:52:14  <Dagmar> pOh darn
2013-05-30T16:52:35  <Bahhumbug> Must
2013-05-30T16:52:36  <Bahhumbug> Have
2013-05-30T16:52:37  <Bahhumbug> Life
2013-05-30T16:52:39  <Bahhumbug> Entertainment
2013-05-30T16:52:42  <Bahhumbug> sigh, Live
2013-05-30T16:52:47  <Bahhumbug> Although Life sorta fits as well.
2013-05-30T17:07:07  <Dagmar> Damn the tzdata guys are into some extreme pedantry
2013-05-30T17:07:17  <Dagmar> "The Macquarie Island was uninhabited between years 1919 and 1948. This update introduces a new time type with a "zzz" abbreviation, which distinguishes uninhabited regions from the inhabited ones."
2013-05-30T17:07:26  <Dagmar> "The Macquarie Island belongs to Australia. This updated modifies the /usr/share/zoneinfo/zone.tab file accordingly."
2013-05-30T17:07:57  <Bahhumbug> Jesus.  THATS the recent tzdata update?
2013-05-30T17:07:57  <Dagmar> What I'd like to know is if they expect me to take them seriously when they say "Red Hat Network has determined that the following advisory is applicable to one or more of the systems you have registered"
2013-05-30T17:08:05  <Dagmar> Yeah, it's some obscure shit
2013-05-30T17:08:26  <Dagmar> Like, I'm pretty sure we can safely ignore this one until the next comprehensive catching up
2013-05-30T17:08:33  <Bahhumbug> I stopped caring about tzdata pushes years ago; it's one of those packages that I see and just push out when it comes down the pipe.
2013-05-30T17:09:13  <Bahhumbug> There was a time a couple years(?) or so ago that there were like 10 updates to that in a very short time span.
2013-05-30T17:09:41  <Dagmar> Yeah it's not like it could break anything, but they're getting really fucking meta when we're talking about distinguishing a time zone by "zzz" to denote that no one fucking lived there then
2013-05-30T17:09:45  <Bahhumbug> May have been el4 days.  Memory is foggy.  But it got to the point that reviewing the updates was just too annoying.
2013-05-30T17:10:11  <Dagmar> It's like "If a time zone changes in the forest, and no one is there to give a shit, doesn't anyone really care?"  "zzzz..."
2013-05-30T17:10:24  <Bahhumbug> heh
2013-05-30T17:20:45  <RangerZ> aestetix: http://www.ted.com/talks/gary_kovacs_tracking_the_trackers.html
2013-05-30T17:20:46  <GateKeeper> Title: Gary Kovacs: Tracking the trackers | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com)
2013-05-30T17:21:39  <aestetix> ok
2013-05-30T17:27:56  <aestetix> RangerZ: oooh. that talk was very well framed.
2013-05-30T17:31:09  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-05-30T17:31:17  <RangerZ> http://www.ted.com/talks/avi_rubin_all_your_devices_can_be_hacked.html here is a scary one too
2013-05-30T17:31:18  <GateKeeper> Title: Avi Rubin: All your devices can be hacked | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com)
2013-05-30T17:31:30  <RangerZ> your pace maker...  we can hack that
2013-05-30T17:31:38  <RangerZ> i've read a lot of papers on that topic
2013-05-30T17:32:22  <aestetix> yep
2013-05-30T17:32:38  <RangerZ> there is one device that would when a 4 byte burst to an insulin injector would tell it to inject ALLLLLL the insulin into the patient
2013-05-30T17:33:30  <RangerZ> disable the breaks on a car , only after the car is going 55 mph
2013-05-30T17:33:37  <RangerZ> i've read that paper
2013-05-30T17:34:37  <aestetix> this is interesting
2013-05-30T17:34:37  <aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbMlHGEICuY
2013-05-30T17:34:38  <GateKeeper> Title: The Times they are a Changin - Bob Dylan - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2013-05-30T17:34:43  <aestetix> that clip in the beginning of the song
2013-05-30T17:34:51  <aestetix> that looks a hell of a lot like the human mike from occupy
2013-05-30T17:36:24  <RangerZ> actaully that 'i have a dream' clip is owned by the King family
2013-05-30T17:36:36  <RangerZ> but thats not really important, ... lol
2013-05-30T17:37:50  <aestetix> I jsut found that interesting because everyone said the human mic was a new thing
2013-05-30T17:37:57  <aestetix> and it looks like it's actually quite old
2013-05-30T17:38:40  <RangerZ> thats actually an old black(also southern) church 'call and response'
2013-05-30T17:38:45  <RangerZ> its where rap got it from
2013-05-30T17:39:02  <RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_and_response
2013-05-30T17:39:03  <GateKeeper> Title: Call and response - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2013-05-30T17:39:08  <aestetix> oh interesting
2013-05-30T17:39:10  <aestetix> I did not know that
2013-05-30T17:39:23  <RangerZ> " Can I get an Amen?" >> "Can I get an what what?"
2013-05-30T17:39:40  <RangerZ> lol
2013-05-30T17:39:53  <RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Call_and_response_(music)
2013-05-30T17:39:53  <aestetix> wow, that makes occupy using it even more profound
2013-05-30T17:40:00  <aestetix> given the master/slave roots
2013-05-30T17:40:14  <RangerZ> nah, not really
2013-05-30T17:40:19  <RangerZ> its much older than that too
2013-05-30T17:40:46  <RangerZ> its one of those 'this works well for getting your audience involved' types of things that people have figured out all over the world
2013-05-30T17:41:21  * aestetix nods
2013-05-30T17:41:29  <RangerZ> the human mic aspect of it, was just like the internet 'routing around damage'
2013-05-30T17:43:51  * aestetix nods
2013-05-30T17:47:24  <RangerZ> aereo is the same thing... its basically just 'routing around damage' in our legal system
2013-05-30T17:49:12  <RangerZ> i've been thinking about that a lot lately
2013-05-30T17:50:13  <RangerZ> I could (and have) design protocols for securely subscribing to content to be distributed over the internet on android platforms
2013-05-30T17:51:20  <RangerZ> but the problem is... most people that would use that now are likely going to be subscribing to copyright material... i mean... thats not why I thought it up one night... to subscribe to the manga, books, tv episodes, etc .... or anything....
2013-05-30T17:51:51  <RangerZ> so just like the bank that the feds seized, that wasn't doing account tracking, it would have awesome legit uses
2013-05-30T17:52:05  <RangerZ> but they would instantly be dwarfed by non legit uses
2013-05-30T17:53:56  <RangerZ> and as a service operator, i'd have go full MEGA, but with client side keys, etc
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2013-05-30T19:59:37  <aestetix> Surprisingly her mom was almost laughing her ass out and both tried to calm her. At one moment she even showed her mom her vagina and opened wide her legs and asked me to try again to see if I could see it (yup everything in front of her mom). Going through further despair as I couldn't find the damn thing (sticking your hand in your gf vagina while her mom is watching is kind of embarassing).
2013-05-30T19:59:43  <aestetix> I love reddit
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2013-05-30T20:08:46  <aestetix> this one is good
2013-05-30T20:08:47  <aestetix> 1. After a night of heavy new year's eve drinking I took a girl home which isn't really like me. Sexy time commences, she starts blowing me when I hear a funny sound and she stops. I ask her why she stopped but she doesn't answer just gets up and casually walks out of my room. I'm confused as duck at this point so I go to get up and realize she puked all over me. It was chunky. 2. A couple weeks later. Not as bad as the first story. Unfortunately the sam
2013-05-30T20:14:46  <aestetix> oooh here's another one
2013-05-30T20:14:47  <aestetix> I was silly drunk and had sex with a girl on her period but it was dark and I didn't realize she was on it... I proceeded to lick her out have sex with her etc, without a condom. At one point I was so drunk I went flaccid and protested the only way to get it back up was for her to suck my dick, which she reluctantly did... in the morning my face was covered in blood and there was a pretty bloody tampon on my floor and a lot of shame in that room, by the
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2013-05-30T20:56:19  <RangerZ> "Soooo...we thought you’d like to know that your OUYA is en route to your doorstep" yays
2013-05-30T21:09:52  <LastChild> Nice I look forward to hearing your eval of that.  I have been talking to the wife about acquiring one of those
2013-05-30T21:25:38  <RangerZ> i got it for the gaming partially
2013-05-30T21:25:43  <RangerZ> but i want it for video streaming
2013-05-30T21:25:49  <RangerZ> and other stuff
2013-05-30T21:29:00  <RangerZ> plus, if it looks nice, and i can make it into a ROKU++++ I'll get one for my mom, etc
2013-05-30T21:29:08  <RangerZ> plus it will run skype, etc
2013-05-30T21:29:27  <LastChild> yeah that's exactly what I was pushing toward my wife was the streaming and messaging with the children from a central location as well
2013-05-30T21:30:18  <LastChild> to coin an imprecise term it's like a $99 googleTV
2013-05-30T21:31:52  <RangerZ> plus, the ENTIRE thing is open source, including the board
2013-05-30T21:32:08  <RangerZ> which is really impressive, even RMS can't bitch about it
2013-05-30T21:32:10  <RangerZ> lol
2013-05-30T21:33:05  <RangerZ> i heard they had horrible sticking with the buttons on the alpha test units
2013-05-30T21:33:09  <RangerZ> which they say they fixed
2013-05-30T21:33:36  <RangerZ> so we'll see, and its an official XBMC device (as 2/3 of the XMBC team backed OUYA)
2013-05-30T21:33:39  <LastChild> like the controller buttons?
2013-05-30T21:34:09  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-05-30T21:34:30  <LastChild> ah, if anything nothing a very fine grit sandpaper wouldn't fix
2013-05-30T21:34:37  <RangerZ> there was a huge uproar about how OUYA was 'dead' b/c of that
2013-05-30T21:34:46  <LastChild> LOL
2013-05-30T21:34:49  <RangerZ> which i thought was silly
2013-05-30T21:34:56  <LastChild> yeah that's a moot point
2013-05-30T21:35:39  <RangerZ> don't get me wrong, i doubt it'll rival xbox/playstation
2013-05-30T21:35:48  <RangerZ> but i do think it will be awesome for those who get it, etc
2013-05-30T21:37:08  <LastChild> well, it's not meant to compete with those consoles.  That reminds me of when everyone bitched about the graphic quality of the Wii in comparison to the 360 and PS3.  That wasn't it's purpose either
2013-05-30T21:37:36  <RangerZ> yeah
2013-05-30T21:39:14  <RangerZ> despite the fact that the best games to come out in years was ...the last ps2 game... and 3DS games
2013-05-30T21:39:24  <RangerZ> which shows graphics isn't anything
2013-05-30T21:41:54  <LastChild> Well just a warning that in about 2 or 3 weeks after you've fiddled with it.  I will be bombarding you with questions lol
2013-05-30T21:43:45  <RangerZ> lol
2013-05-30T21:44:13  <RangerZ> yeah, i'm curious if i can make it a nice media PC
2013-05-30T21:44:23  <RangerZ> with an external HDD on it
2013-05-30T21:44:25  <RangerZ> or something
2013-05-30T21:48:28  <LastChild> yeah I would be curious if theres a storage cap on usb host mode
2013-05-30T21:49:25  <RangerZ> if it becomes nice, i could see AMMO (the DARPA project I'm working on) becoming REALLY useful
2013-05-30T21:49:50  <RangerZ> a way to synchronize messages (&media) among many android devices
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2013-05-30T22:57:23  <aestetix> it is impressive how worthless rackspace's tech support is
2013-05-30T23:24:37  <Dagmar> RangerZ: PS2 developers are somewhat notorious for finding new ways to deploy smoke & mirrors
2013-05-30T23:25:06  <RangerZ> rogue galaxy and Persona 4 for the PS2 were amazing for what they are running on
2013-05-30T23:25:22  <Dagmar> I'm thinking the more extreme cases, like God of War 2.
2013-05-30T23:25:27  <Dagmar> Can the hardware actually do that?  Hell no.
2013-05-30T23:25:38  <RangerZ> you mean ps3?
2013-05-30T23:25:43  <Dagmar> ...but they did an awesome job of making it look like it was doing far more than it does
2013-05-30T23:26:04  <RangerZ> GoW is only PS3
2013-05-30T23:26:12  <aestetix> Dagmar: sounds like they're prepping to work for the government
2013-05-30T23:26:18  <Dagmar> RangerZ: Nope.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_of_War_II
2013-05-30T23:26:19  <GateKeeper> Title: God of War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2013-05-30T23:26:29  <Dagmar> I got it like two months before I actually got my Ps3.
2013-05-30T23:26:39  <RangerZ> huh
2013-05-30T23:26:42  <RangerZ> odd
2013-05-30T23:26:45  <RangerZ> didn't realize
2013-05-30T23:26:49  <RangerZ> figured they were all ps3
2013-05-30T23:26:54  <RangerZ> never played any of them
2013-05-30T23:27:32  <Dagmar> They were talking about it on the gaming review show specifically because it was sort of "last gasp" for the platform before the PS3 was due, and those devs made that little thing do incredible tricks even veteran gamers found surprising
2013-05-30T23:27:49  <Dagmar> There's a long tradition of that kind of shit
2013-05-30T23:28:24  <Dagmar> Particularly with respect to Psygnosis, who started as _pirates_ on the C=64, making demos and intros more elaborate and technically impressive than the games they were pirating
2013-05-30T23:28:50  <Dagmar> Can a C=64 do a shitload of trig in a hurry?  Absolutely not, but you wouldn't know it from looking at your screen
2013-05-30T23:28:50  <RangerZ> lol
2013-05-30T23:29:26  <Dagmar> RangerZ: In case you don't remember, Psygnosis are the guys who made WipeOut
2013-05-30T23:29:39  <RangerZ> ahh
2013-05-30T23:30:34  <Dagmar> iAsiaWorks actually moved into their old offices in SF
2013-05-30T23:30:43  <Dagmar> I think I still have some of their internal demo and test discs around here
2013-05-30T23:31:00  <Dagmar> They left a machine behind and SOMEONE WIPED THE GODDAMN DRIVES before we knew whose machine it was
2013-05-30T23:31:34  <Bahhumbug> RangerZ: http://stuff.gerdesas.com/images/rms.jpg
2013-05-30T23:31:40  <Bahhumbug> Just sayin'
2013-05-30T23:31:50  <RangerZ> nice
2013-05-30T23:31:52  <RangerZ> very nice
2013-05-30T23:32:05  <RangerZ> i'm afraid he'd be at geeknic
2013-05-30T23:32:06  <RangerZ> lol
2013-05-30T23:32:39  <Bahhumbug> Hope the hotel has a really good ventilation system.
2013-05-30T23:34:22  <sdodson> meep meep
2013-05-30T23:50:06  <wilpig> view-source:http://www.rockypointcopperstills.com/index_files/StillsforSale.htm     holy shit...  that burns my brain
2013-05-30T23:50:07  <GateKeeper> Title: Stills For Sale (at www.rockypointcopperstills.com)
2013-05-30T23:50:45  <oddball> For.. ummm... "decorative purposes" only, I'm sure.
2013-05-30T23:52:27  <Dagmar> Someone spent some time unfuxoring the output from MS Office there
2013-05-30T23:53:18  <Dagmar> A shame they didn't spent any time worrying about the typography
2013-05-30T23:53:24  <wilpig> I have a feeling I might be one degree separated from these guys via someone I went to HS with
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2013-05-30T23:55:14  <RangerZ> i was amazed to find out that people still make swill backwater moonshine
2013-05-30T23:55:28  <RangerZ> especially in the carolinas
2013-05-30T23:55:37  <wilpig> distilleries are popping up all over western ky
2013-05-30T23:56:30  <Bahhumbug> There's still quite a bit of moonshining out near Mont Eagle.
2013-05-30T23:58:20  <RangerZ> legit ones aren't the problem
2013-05-30T23:58:31  <RangerZ> its the issue of making them out in the woods under tents
2013-05-30T23:58:36  <RangerZ> with rats and shit getting into them
2013-05-30T23:58:54  <wilpig> thems the flavor bits
2013-05-30T23:59:50  <RangerZ> wilpig: thats why you are single