2013-05-14T00:53:04 yo 2013-05-14T00:53:10 anyone here live in atlanta? 2013-05-14T00:53:30 hugme does 2013-05-14T00:53:53 ok 2013-05-14T00:53:59 I may be going to dragoncon 2013-05-14T00:54:06 and from what I understand, the hotels are all sold out. 2013-05-14T00:54:17 talk to jonny_X about that 2013-05-14T00:54:19 ok 2013-05-14T00:54:23 he can get me a room? 2013-05-14T00:54:28 he might have a line on some space cause he's a director down there 2013-05-14T00:54:56 if you hit up cwire on facebook I'm pretty sure they have a room 2013-05-14T00:55:23 can you msg me his email address? 2013-05-14T00:55:27 as I do not use facebook :) 2013-05-14T00:55:51 yeah I have it one sec 2013-05-14T00:56:12 ok 2013-05-14T00:56:30 just gotta dig a little. 2013-05-14T00:57:22 http://www.dragoncon.org/?q=host_hotels_view 2013-05-14T00:57:23 Title: Host Hotels | Dragoncon (at www.dragoncon.org) 2013-05-14T00:57:26 all sold out 2013-05-14T01:16:45 Hell with what I hear... it just sucks down there *elbows jonny_X* 2013-05-14T01:17:17 lol, but seriously, that town is raped that week 2013-05-14T01:25:47 All of the host hotels sell out within a few hours of announcing that they're taking reservations. 2013-05-14T01:26:39 It's crazy, even the directors aren't guaranteed rooms in the hotels where their tracks are located. 2013-05-14T01:27:15 I haven't been in the same hotel as the science track since 2010. 2013-05-14T01:27:23 *** vaneck has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2013-05-14T01:28:45 *** vaneck has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T02:01:46 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-05-14T02:25:06 *** jonnyx has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T02:26:45 *** jonny_X has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-05-14T02:42:09 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-05-14T04:03:38 huh 2013-05-14T04:03:45 dragoncon soudns worse than south by 2013-05-14T04:04:00 are there any locals in the area I could crash with? :p 2013-05-14T04:04:09 (gf might want to come, in which case we'd need our own room) 2013-05-14T04:04:55 only truly local person in here atm is the_hugme. but he's asleep right now 2013-05-14T04:06:32 ok 2013-05-14T04:06:37 I thought Shadow404 was in atl a well 2013-05-14T04:06:51 although he knows better than to let me sleep inside :p 2013-05-14T04:07:06 oh he is 2013-05-14T04:07:15 he's still on channel? he's too damned quiet 2013-05-14T04:07:51 MaxieZ might be in that area too, come to think of it 2013-05-14T07:21:29 * wilpig_ conjures up a dolemite 2013-05-14T07:22:33 arise chicken arise. 2013-05-14T07:22:39 * wilpig_ stomps on the floor 2013-05-14T07:27:05 yeah, how the fuck am i gonna be awake at 4am my time and on channel? 2013-05-14T07:27:30 and ive always been an irc lurker 2013-05-14T07:27:57 I figured he'd shoot you a pm or something 2013-05-14T07:29:25 aestetix_ do something intelligent????? yep, no pm to speak of 2013-05-14T07:41:46 *** Mirage has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T07:41:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mirage 2013-05-14T08:12:29 *** brookshire has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T08:12:29 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o brookshire 2013-05-14T08:16:38 *** brookshi1e has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T08:16:42 *** rhia has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T08:16:47 *** ZeroMinuS|Work has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T08:24:04 *** rhia has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T08:24:04 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o rhia 2013-05-14T09:35:52 *** v4mp has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T09:51:08 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T09:52:09 Anyone order from dell lately? I called their purchasing number last night was fed a complete like of BS about the product in addition to a name your own price and we'll shit it 2nd day (even though it was listed on their website as not avail until next month) WTF! 2013-05-14T09:52:17 s/like/line 2013-05-14T09:52:28 s/shit/ship 2013-05-14T09:52:29 ugh 2013-05-14T09:56:56 nope but that sounds about sop lately 2013-05-14T09:57:35 i was really bummed, really want to get a U3014 30'' monitor 2013-05-14T09:58:02 *** benthemeek has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T09:58:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o benthemeek 2013-05-14T09:58:07 I like my 27" monitors so I totally understand 2013-05-14T09:58:11 im curious about this name your own price thing though haha, wonder if i could call back and get a wicked deal 2013-05-14T09:58:30 Ya im on dual 19'' right now and its really bugging me 2013-05-14T09:58:55 now that i work from home i really want to do a PLP setup with 30'' in the middle 2013-05-14T09:59:45 ugh in other news i think my SSD is toast, spinrite has been stuck on an entire cylinder for an hour trying to figure out what is wrong with it 2013-05-14T10:00:50 you used spinrite... on an SSD? 2013-05-14T10:00:58 ^ 2013-05-14T10:01:07 well kinda, at level 2 a read only check 2013-05-14T10:01:12 spinrite hasn't been updated since SSDs existed has it? 2013-05-14T10:01:30 i had complete crash last week and went to reinstall os last night and it crashed again 2013-05-14T10:02:11 SteveG seems to think Level 2 is fine on SSDs and good at detecting issues, but dont run above that as it will do unnecessary ware 2013-05-14T10:02:24 a friend of mine had an SSD that would zero out when fedora suspended 2013-05-14T10:02:31 nice 2013-05-14T10:02:34 wow 2013-05-14T10:02:45 I call that a safety feature 2013-05-14T10:03:21 i guess i should probably just RMA the drive :( 2013-05-14T10:03:42 reboots were fine, a suspend killed it 2013-05-14T10:03:43 RMA the drive Synx|hm 2013-05-14T10:03:43 you want a new one anyway. bigger, faster, more expensive 2013-05-14T10:03:55 ... works 2013-05-14T10:04:12 ha this is fairly new, only a few months old... SanDisk Ultra Plus 256G 2013-05-14T10:08:39 ugh, 2-3 weeks to RMA at sandisk 2013-05-14T10:09:45 *** v4mp_i has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T10:09:45 *** v4mp has quit IRC (Disconnected by services) 2013-05-14T10:24:53 is a patch panel useful for a home network? 2013-05-14T10:25:47 in the long run picture, does it make wiring all rooms easier? troubleshootingandi install wise? 2013-05-14T10:30:07 *** Mirage_ has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T10:30:07 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Mirage_ 2013-05-14T10:33:25 longrun yes it's easier 2013-05-14T10:33:36 makes everything cleaner too 2013-05-14T10:35:58 *** Synx|hm has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T10:36:11 *** Mirage has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T10:36:49 *** polerin has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T10:37:55 *** opticron_ has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T10:41:05 I still do not own an SSD O.o 2013-05-14T10:41:29 Are you finding them less reliable than presented? 2013-05-14T10:41:39 my SSD has been great 2013-05-14T10:42:06 We have had two replace the only one in my data center twice so far 2013-05-14T10:42:17 (running centOS) 2013-05-14T10:42:28 to* rather 2013-05-14T10:42:59 *** polerin_ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T10:42:59 *** opticron has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T10:43:00 *** Dickie has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T10:43:00 *** sdodson has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T10:43:09 *** MinecraftRelay has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T10:43:23 *** opticron_ is now known as opticron 2013-05-14T10:43:23 i have an OCZ SSD, what kind do you have? 2013-05-14T10:43:23 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o opticron 2013-05-14T10:43:27 are they faster? 2013-05-14T10:43:32 apparently they're more reliable 2013-05-14T10:43:36 what about heat? 2013-05-14T10:44:13 I dont remember the type. It was just suppose to run the OS (mirrored with another) while we archive about 8 TB to an array of SCSI 2013-05-14T10:44:25 its failed twice within the last 8 months 2013-05-14T10:44:46 I will have to check what brand it is 2013-05-14T10:44:56 was an appliance we bought thirdparty 2013-05-14T10:45:19 *** sdodson has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T10:45:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sdodson 2013-05-14T10:47:03 *** v4mp_i has quit IRC () 2013-05-14T10:49:54 *** Dickie has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T10:49:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dickie 2013-05-14T10:51:57 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T10:52:04 wtf is up with freenode lately 2013-05-14T10:52:13 all the normal servers i connect to keep going down 2013-05-14T10:52:52 Synx|hm: they're getting ddos'd 2013-05-14T10:52:55 I got some kind of message they were under DDOS attack yesterday 2013-05-14T10:53:06 *** MinecraftRelay has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T10:53:10 ...another reason to pirate music: Those cds you paid good money for 20+yrs ago have a ~3%-4% failure rate (as in "the physical media has decayed"), and it gets worse the older the cds are. 2013-05-14T10:53:30 Oh Wilpig I think I am coming to geeknic and bringing the wife and girls 2013-05-14T10:53:36 good deal 2013-05-14T10:53:57 we're gonna play some cards against humanity probably friday night 2013-05-14T10:54:06 I need to go book the hotel, I will try and remember tonight 2013-05-14T10:54:11 Lots of fun if you collect weird/non-mainstream stuff that quickly goes out of print. 2013-05-14T10:54:12 why would anyone want to ddos freenode? 2013-05-14T10:54:24 Synx|hm: script kiddies 2013-05-14T10:54:33 Its a win for everyone because even if I go off and leave them, they can have fun in the pool and I can assuage my guilt :) 2013-05-14T10:55:08 Jonnyx: you really should give a talk about that 2013-05-14T10:55:42 I had better get to sleep. 2013-05-14T10:55:44 Ben: Possibly, maybe a lightning talk. 2013-05-14T10:56:12 Well your story of hunting down the tracks you are looking for I find interesting anyway 2013-05-14T10:56:27 I'd rather do the vinyl scanner/archiver talk, but I've definitely got enough data for the cd stuff. 2013-05-14T10:56:49 I must admit my music tastes are not specific enough to ever have that problem 2013-05-14T10:57:40 I have also sold out and bought a subscription to spotify. I have yet to want to listen to anything they dont have 2013-05-14T10:59:17 The reason I track down specific releases (for more mainstream stuff; the really obscure or oddball stuff usually only has one or two releases) is because cd mastering (for most US releases, anyway) has gotten progressively shittier since the mid-1990s. 2013-05-14T11:00:22 Here's the main reason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war 2013-05-14T11:00:23 Title: Loudness war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 2013-05-14T11:01:32 * wilpig_ pokes oddball. Hehe jonnyx wants your "stuff". 2013-05-14T11:01:42 A lot of older cds (1980s, early 1990s) actually sound better than more recent remasters; more dynamic range, for starters. 2013-05-14T11:05:32 Best example I can think of offhand (for "good original cd release, terrible remaster later on") would be Iggy & the Stooges "Raw Power". 2013-05-14T11:05:50 I want oddball's stuff? 2013-05-14T11:09:02 (back to loudness war) As for cds that were originally so bad when initially released (from a technical/mastering standpoint) that the label had to re-issue a decently remastered version, the worst offenders I can think of were the RHCP's "Californification" and Metallica's "Death Magnetic". 2013-05-14T11:11:08 If you rip the original versions to a wav or flac image or some other lossless format & then open the file in audacity (with clipping set to on or visible), you can't even see the original waveform due to all of the red clipping lines. 2013-05-14T11:14:09 I've got the initial David Bowie mastered version of Raw Power and Iggy's 1999 remaster, with spectrograms and waveforms of each version; I need to put em together in an animated gif, plus do some sound samples of one version fading into the other & back again. Hearing the difference and seeing the data analysis as well really drives the point home. 2013-05-14T11:14:30 brb 2013-05-14T11:16:20 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T11:18:02 *** vaneck_ has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T11:19:43 *** Synx|hm has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T11:23:52 *** vaneck has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2013-05-14T11:29:31 MF!!!*$%@ another problem rip (Sonic Youth, Anagrama (aka SYR 1)) synch errors 2013-05-14T11:30:11 3rd out of the most recent batch of 50 so far (Skinny Puppy through Sonic Youth) 2013-05-14T11:30:56 teh inarwebz are my backup 2013-05-14T11:35:24 Oh, another reason to snag specific cds (ie - not just for a particular mastering job, but for cds pressed at specific plants - exterior packaging may be identical for releases with different matrix codes, so you have to have the physical disc to examine or, if buying a used copy, a knowledeable seller and/or a scan of the cd data side): The labels aren't going to tell you if a disc is flawed, 2013-05-14T11:35:24 or if the audio is taken from an inferior source. 2013-05-14T11:38:26 "Roxanne" by the Police - EVERY cd version ever pressed uses essentially a needledrop (ie - the audio came from a vinyl copy of Outlandos d'Amour) for about half the song. Except for one batch of cds pressed at a specific plant in Japan in the mid-1980s. 2013-05-14T11:39:46 "This has been your Audio Hour with jonnyx. Tune in next week when jonnyx details tips and tricks for identifying the tape used in 8-tracks at yard sales." 2013-05-14T11:40:39 The Japanese release has a full and cleanly mastered version of the song from the original multi-track tapes. Then the tapes were damaged prior to the US/UK/EU pressings, so they (the engineers at the label) slapped a record on a turntable and sampled the missing bits from vinyl. 2013-05-14T11:41:30 are you falling asleep too brimstone? 2013-05-14T11:41:58 i apparently know nothing about music and have been listening to monkeys beat on rocks for the last ~30 years 2013-05-14T11:42:58 Take a spectrogram of the track or look at the waveform in audacity (for the subsequently released version) and you can see the splice points, which for some reason have never been removed (or why the hell didn't they just use the digial version from the Japanese pressing?). If you know what to listen for, you can hear the transition from digital to needledrop & back again on a decent stereo 2013-05-14T11:42:58 system. 2013-05-14T11:44:39 Hey, if I'm shelling out $$$ I don't want something partially taken from a record I already bought & thought I was "upgrading" from & then have the media decay later on & have to buy yet another copy with a crappy mastering job that sounds worse than the cassettes I used to dub in highschool. 2013-05-14T11:46:14 yeah, most of us dont listen that closely 2013-05-14T11:46:28 ir have the ability too 2013-05-14T11:47:03 The examples I've given are just for stuff I really like and have bothered to research (or in the case of the RHCP & Metallica, the very worst offenders); "Bob" only knows how many other butchered recordings are out there. And don't get me started on the fake non-redbook-compliant cds out there with flaws intentionally introduced to "prevent" cd ripping/backups. 2013-05-14T11:49:38 Most people these days are listening in their cars (lots of background noise), on ipods or equiv with earbud headphones (not the best speakers) and/or less than 320k mp3s (less than cd quality - even FM radio stations only bc the equiv or 160k stereo). 2013-05-14T11:50:19 Listen on a decent component stereo system with decent speakers (NOT desktop computer speakers) & you'll hear the difference. 2013-05-14T11:53:34 You don't need a super highend system either; something in the $500 to $1000 range (add another $500 if you want a good turntable) can blow away just about anything connected to a computer or a tv. 2013-05-14T11:58:33 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T11:58:36 ugh 2013-05-14T11:59:40 jonnyx: what.cd? 2013-05-14T12:03:09 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T12:06:59 Synx: haven't bothered yet (probably should, though I hear that keeping a decent ratio, even for regular uploaders, can be tricky due to the eiltes with seedboxes on fat pipes); most of the what.cd stuff seems to wind up on (or in some cases originate from) rutracker, bitsnoop & demonoid (back when it was still online) 2013-05-14T12:07:17 *** Bevalent has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T12:07:42 for live stuff, I (ab)use dimeadozen 2013-05-14T12:08:43 ...though some artists are ok with non-profit trading; archive.org has a lot of good stuff (which is added to all the time) 2013-05-14T12:09:37 Mojo Nixon fans can google "Mojo's Bootleg Shack" - haven't been there in a while, so I don't know if the funny anti-RIAA & anti-Metallica audio rant is still on the fron page 2013-05-14T12:10:03 jonnyx: im elite and seed out of my home connection 2013-05-14T12:10:23 though i did have a seedbox for a about 6months a few years ago 2013-05-14T12:10:45 it you just leave your torrent client open it shouldn't be too hard 2013-05-14T12:11:46 For Sonic Youth, there's always http://sonicyouth.utkonos.org/ (last time I checked there were 80+ soundboard, fm & pre-fm shows there, in addition to some dj-only stuff and a buttload of audience recordings) 2013-05-14T12:11:47 Title: SONIC YOUTH Live Recordings Archive (at sonicyouth.utkonos.org) 2013-05-14T12:15:12 Synx: Really? Some of the reviews/complains I read a while back when I was thinking of joining were from uploaders on standard DSL/cable line; the gist seemed to be that the uploads were snatched by the highspeed seedboxes & the seedbox owners got 99% of the ratio credit, while the lower-speed original uploaders rarely got more than 1:1.01 2013-05-14T12:16:40 Some were having to upload 15-20 cds (of new material that wasn't already available) just in order to dl 1 cd and still maintain ratio. 2013-05-14T12:19:59 So what's the story? Can you, as a home user w/o a seedbox, maintain ratio by seeding (as long as you don't go crazy with dls and contribute the occasional ul)? 2013-05-14T12:22:35 Whoops, looks like utkonos was recently compromised: http://www.google.com/safebrowsing/diagnostic?site=http://sonicyouth.utkonos.org/&hl=en 2013-05-14T12:22:35 Title: Google Safe Browsing diagnostic page for sonicyouth.utkonos.org (at www.google.com) 2013-05-14T12:35:05 Jumpin Jesus onna pogo stick - stuff like this is why dimeadozen should be a UN-protected heritage site: Muddy Waters: Cambridge, MA, Club 47, Aug. 24th. 1966, 2nd Gen sbd 2013-05-14T12:35:59 (I cannot wait to get back on the air) 2013-05-14T12:41:00 when is this / where? 2013-05-14T12:44:59 WRFN (107.1) and WMTS (88.3), West Nashville and Murfreesboro, this summer for both 2013-05-14T12:47:16 Lots of new noise, lots of commercially unavailable stuff, lots of SubGenius-inspired weirdness, plus some interview shows (Mark Griffin, aka MC 900' Jesus, and the Screaming Blue Messiahs, for starters) 2013-05-14T12:47:20 jonnyx: sry been on a conf call 2013-05-14T12:48:14 jonnyx: so, first off as a new users with less that 5GB of download the required ratio is 0 2013-05-14T12:48:28 Synx: no prob, I'm moving back & forth from ripping cds to working on my car 2013-05-14T12:48:46 from 5-10gb its .15 and as an example 100+ gb is 0.6 2013-05-14T12:49:28 i've been sitting right around 2.18-2.20 ratio with my home setup and 135.98GB of downloaded music/other random shit 2013-05-14T12:50:03 i would say staying a user isn't too hard so long as you keep a folder for origionally downloaded stuff and continue to seed 2013-05-14T12:50:15 Hmm, has that changed recently? IIRC, I last looked at their requirements sometime late last year & don't recall them being as generous. 2013-05-14T12:50:49 where i see people have issues is those who want to modify the files (which i do as well) so they cant continue to seed them, or those who refuse to keep a torrent client up all da 2013-05-14T12:50:52 day 2013-05-14T12:51:34 not sure when they last changed but ive been on what since the begining when Oink went away and its never really been that hard 2013-05-14T12:52:00 what i do is keep a seperate server (VM on ESXi host) running 24hrs that runs rtorrent and caches on my fileserver 2013-05-14T12:52:22 i also send all torrent traffic over VPN over the pond 2013-05-14T12:55:03 jonnyx: also for building ratio if poweruser and elite ever become a goal, its quite simple to find releases already on what in flac and encode them to one of the top 3 (mp3 v0, mp3 v2, mp3 320), infact there is a php page that lists all releases that are missing one of those formats 2013-05-14T12:55:34 well thats for building number of torrents uploaded, but works somewhat for ratio as well 2013-05-14T12:55:54 *** jonny_X has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T12:56:04 ha 2013-05-14T12:57:06 how much ya miss? 2013-05-14T12:58:44 *** jonnyx has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-05-14T12:59:25 *** jonnyx has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T13:00:07 *** jonny_X has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2013-05-14T13:00:42 ...aaaaaaand we're back 2013-05-14T13:03:05 ha 2013-05-14T13:04:49 work is fucking kicking my ass today :( 2013-05-14T13:12:52 Yea, late-1990s "cd copy protection" - no "compact disc digital audio" mark anywhere on the packaging, rip speed drops to exactly 2.8x; usually multimode disc with junk files. 2013-05-14T13:13:28 didn't panasonic make a huge stink about that in the 90's and ban them from using CD 2013-05-14T13:16:14 Yep. IIRC, it was Phillips (who actually owns the mark and a lot of the basic patents); the "copy protected" cds weren't/aren't redbook compliant, meaning technically they weren't audio cds but computer cd-roms. 2013-05-14T13:18:05 thats right phillips 2013-05-14T13:18:08 Problem at the time was that a lot of in-dash cd players with anti-skip tech and high-end cd players for studios & radio stations (with advanced/on-the-fly speed synch, search, etc) worked like cd-rom drives & buffered audio. The non-redbook "cds" wouldn't play reliably on those drives, so customers started returning them as defective... 2013-05-14T13:19:00 ...and make a hufge stink when (as frequently happened) vendors wouldn't accept the returns, and the labels wou;dn't replace them because they weren't "defective". 2013-05-14T13:19:49 Whole think went to court & a judge ruled against the labels for selling fraudulently-labeled merchandise. 2013-05-14T13:21:00 The real kicker for the labels was that radio djs started having trouble playing the discs too, so it was the drop in airplay on new (at the time) discs more than customer complaints or even the court case that maked them change. 2013-05-14T13:21:05 they continually find a way to fuck themselves 2013-05-14T13:22:07 Of course, the "change" was to get hw makers to update cd player firmware (and in some cases mechanical guts) while dropping the cd mark from all non-redbook discs. 2013-05-14T13:23:47 Prbelm became mostly a non-issue (as within a few months/years depending on the manufacturer) dvd drives became more common than cd, and dvd drives had (usually) built-in firmware to deal with the non-redbook cds (as do most modern cd drives). 2013-05-14T13:25:22 jesus, lunch time and a fucking wall of emails just came in with piles of work all top priority to be done now 2013-05-14T13:25:25 fml 2013-05-14T13:26:42 I got burned by this once toward the end of my WRVU days. "Berlin Babylon" by Einsturzende Neubauten had just been released, and I had an early copy held for me at Tower Records by the import buyer, who I was friends with. It was airsafe & I planned on playing it from start to end on my show that night, as I would be one of the first djs in the Us to have it. Unfortunately, it used the early 2013-05-14T13:26:42 copy protection & the brand spanking new professional cd players in the recently renovated WRVU studio would not play it... 2013-05-14T13:29:18 WTF is up with citrix rdp clients 2013-05-14T13:29:26 stupid fucking thing cannot deal with multi monitor setups 2013-05-14T13:30:18 Saw Neubauten in Atlanta a few years later (their 2004 tour, and the last time they said they would tour the US until the ClearChannel patent on "record your live performance & sell the cds after the show" patent bs was resolved), wound up hanging out with them backstage for a while & mentioned the Berlin Babylon disc. They said that's why they don't use that label anymore. 2013-05-14T13:30:38 9 years is a few 2013-05-14T13:31:20 *** benthemeek has quit IRC (Quit: benthemeek) 2013-05-14T13:31:28 Berlin Babylon was mid to late 2000 IIRC, tour was spring 2004. Fourish? 2013-05-14T13:31:39 *** benthemeek has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T13:31:39 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o benthemeek 2013-05-14T13:36:47 The Clear Channel patent took 'em by surprise, as it's essentially a software patent & not legal in the EU. Clear Channel sued them partway through their tour, and the EN guys were understandably pissed when some company they had no business relation with suddenly said "pay us money to sell copies of your own concerts, using hardware and software made in Europe". Since they had planned on 2013-05-14T13:36:47 financing a good chunk of their tour with cd sales, this caused a problem. 2013-05-14T14:38:53 *** stowbari has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-05-14T15:12:21 *** ZeroMinuS|Work has quit IRC () 2013-05-14T16:20:26 Note to self - Once I've taken over the world & have brought about the Glorious Nanotech Future (c)(tm), mandate cleanroom conditions in all non-wilderness areas. I can't believe how much @#%*!!! dust has accumulated inside the case of the computer I'm working on (gotta replace two fans that failed; a thorough cleaning & wd-40 in the bearings did nada). 2013-05-14T16:22:22 haha 2013-05-14T16:24:52 GOD DAMN IT 2013-05-14T16:25:10 this fucking guy got on a server last week and removed the license i installed for our software and put an old one back on there 2013-05-14T16:25:21 then sent me 5 fucking emails wondering why nothing was working again 2013-05-14T16:26:17 lol 2013-05-14T16:26:28 you use licensed warez 2013-05-14T16:27:04 our licensing system is so fucked up anways its such a pain in the ass to keep up with 2013-05-14T16:27:14 every fucking tiny feature needs a new license 2013-05-14T17:14:42 What software? 2013-05-14T17:17:13 Its callcenter VoIP testing software 2013-05-14T17:22:04 jonnyx: you be around later or tomorrow? 2013-05-14T17:42:30 Synx: Yep 2013-05-14T18:09:31 jonnyx: wow, I didn't realize dragoncon was such a clusterfuck for getting a hotel 2013-05-14T18:11:15 *** benthemeek has quit IRC (Quit: benthemeek) 2013-05-14T18:12:02 unrelated 2013-05-14T18:12:10 how does someoen spend $200 a month on board games 2013-05-14T18:12:22 apparnently my friend and his SO broke up over that 2013-05-14T18:22:21 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130514/01371723077/saudi-arabian-telco-asks-pro-privacy-researcher-to-help-them-spy-citizens-hilarity-then-seriousness-ensues.shtml an interesting story about the issue of responsible disclosure. 2013-05-14T18:22:22 Title: Saudi Arabian Telco Asks Pro-Privacy Researcher To Help Them Spy On Citizens, Hilarity Then Seriousness Ensues | Techdirt (at www.techdirt.com) 2013-05-14T18:27:35 is that moxie's thing? 2013-05-14T18:33:36 aestetix_: you could easily spend 200$ if it was something like warhammer where you build collectable tabletop figures, etc 2013-05-14T19:34:20 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-05-14T20:41:37 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T20:51:14 *** LastChild has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T20:51:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o LastChild 2013-05-14T20:51:30 aestetix: re: DCon - yeah, it's because the con has grown so large, especially within the last 5yrs. With ~60k+ ppl expected, every room in every hotel within several MARTA stops gets taken. Add in unrelated sports events (we had NASCAR and I think a home baseball game the same weekend) & it gets...challenging. 2013-05-14T20:53:15 $200 a MONTH on boardgames? I can see spending that on ONE game, over time, but every month? What games was he buying? 2013-05-14T20:53:47 he was buying "board games" that's what he and the dealer decided to call it 2013-05-14T20:59:02 http://www.27bslash6.com/brochure.html 2013-05-14T20:59:03 Title: "Dropshadows lift the type off the page as if they are 3D. You probably don't even know how to do them." (at www.27bslash6.com) 2013-05-14T21:05:44 * wilpig_ head desks 2013-05-14T21:06:04 Synx|hm: Demonoid gets DDoSed when little skiddies get pissed when the channel and network staff won't let them get their way spamming, harrassing others, etc. This past one may or may not have been the same fuckers that took out dreamhost yesterday as well; their is (or at least was late last night) that there was some likelihood of a connection. 2013-05-14T21:06:16 (Yeah, it's a way late reply.) 2013-05-14T21:07:18 Hey man, Settlers of Cataan Collectors Editions are pricey 2013-05-14T21:08:13 My freeloading (now ex-)brother-in-law was spending almost $400/mo on "board games" before I kicked him out of my mom's house. 2013-05-14T21:10:16 jonnyx: Their is a site which is supposedly "demonoid 2" at http://www.d2.vu. They do seem to have a copy of the old users database as set of credentials did log me in. 2013-05-14T21:10:20 s/Their/There/ 2013-05-14T21:10:40 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2013-05-14T21:13:21 Bahhumbug: That's interesting. Where did you get the info? 2013-05-14T21:13:52 It's been on ycombinator. 2013-05-14T21:14:25 BTW - ATTN GUN FOLKS - Who's doing the 3d printable gun stuff at PhreakNIC this year? 2013-05-14T21:14:45 http://news.ycombinator.com <-- like Reddit and Slashdot had a child that rebelled by going conservative and banning Imgur on general principle 2013-05-14T21:14:46 Title: Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) 2013-05-14T21:15:07 Dag - Thanks. Did a quick check on torrentfreak & slashdot & didn't see any news re: demonoid2 2013-05-14T21:15:24 I generally check HNN daily 2013-05-14T21:18:15 Also, ATTN PN - Keith Watson has volunteered to do a wall of sheep (same basic setup as he does at DCon) as well as do a talk/workshop/etc on honeypots, botnets & other researchy stuff he does at GA Tech. Who do I point him towards for coordination with PN netops (Wilpig?)? Suggestions for talks/topics/demos y'all would like to see? 2013-05-14T21:18:32 Mirage 2013-05-14T21:18:58 We have to get with the hotel to avoid the duh huh of last year and them having their camera system on the public network 2013-05-14T21:19:30 when we replaced the firewall we cut off a mystery person on the outside of the hotel's ability to remotely access teh cameras 2013-05-14T21:19:51 I still need to turn my notes into a real network diagram. 2013-05-14T21:20:10 I don't honestly recall where I came across it other than it was from some channel here on freenode. 2013-05-14T21:21:37 Yay. Come back after being away all damned day and there is a 0 day against el6 kernels. 2013-05-14T21:21:49 fuuu-uuuu- 2013-05-14T21:22:01 Yes. Fuck me. 2013-05-14T21:22:19 RH is taking their usual long time QAing the fucking update. 2013-05-14T21:22:26 You have no idea what kind of shit our network has thrown at us in the last seven days 2013-05-14T21:22:42 CentOS has unofficial kernels out pending official upstream releases. 2013-05-14T21:22:45 I am totally fine with waiting another day or two before explaining we need to reboot teh everything 2013-05-14T21:23:21 I have to be in Atlanta this weekend for DCon stuff, then I have two family weddings and my mom's bday to deal with. 2nd weekend in June (or weekday, whichever works for me, as long as I have some lead time to plan appropriately) sound good for a meet and walkthrough at the con hotel? 2013-05-14T21:23:25 Run oracle and get their no reboot needed crap they bought that I am too drain bead to recall. 2013-05-14T21:23:49 Umm... no. 2013-05-14T21:23:55 Fuckers. 2013-05-14T21:24:00 Fucking Ellison. 2013-05-14T21:24:35 I do not with for package manageemnt to become a shell script from the 80's that calls a java program to create another shell script which then verifies the signature on a zip file (badly) in order to run another java program to write a shell script and run it 2013-05-14T21:24:52 Not only no, but _fuck no_. 2013-05-14T21:24:53 ksplice. that's it. 2013-05-14T21:24:55 With sprinkles. 2013-05-14T21:25:09 We could kexec that but fuck it 2013-05-14T21:25:37 ksplice worked. but I still wouldn't trust it on mission critical servers. 2013-05-14T21:25:41 We've got a goddamn load balancer and it'll at least kill off all the screwball Turkish Spinning processes our users generate 2013-05-14T21:26:03 Everyone's WordPress theme needs to grab parts of itself over HTTP. 2013-05-14T21:26:09 I dislike users as much as I dislike Ellison. 2013-05-14T21:26:21 Oh. And fuck wordpress. 2013-05-14T21:26:23 It makes an otherwise boring job into daily excitement and adventure. 2013-05-14T21:26:28 I really need a new career path. 2013-05-14T21:26:46 Yeah, I can do without that type of excitement and adventure. 2013-05-14T21:26:49 Like just last week we learned what happens when a server iteratively fetching itself is allowed to talk to the "real" servers over a load balancer. 2013-05-14T21:26:54 Too old for that crap these days. 2013-05-14T21:26:55 TERRIFYING EFFICIENCY. 2013-05-14T21:27:04 hehehehe 2013-05-14T21:27:09 I shit you not, mysql's load jumped to >133 in seconds. 2013-05-14T21:27:14 hehe 2013-05-14T21:27:17 Sorry. 2013-05-14T21:27:18 I have never yanked a vhost out of a server so fast 2013-05-14T21:27:21 But that's... funny. 2013-05-14T21:27:26 Oh it was hilarious 2013-05-14T21:27:48 It's not often I can say I've typed six lines at a root prompt with no typos before I could finish saying "Oh shit." 2013-05-14T21:27:55 Heh 2013-05-14T21:28:19 I just hope we can figure out WTF is going on with our SAN storage tomorrow. 2013-05-14T21:28:37 Can you blame the houseplant for the SAN problems? 2013-05-14T21:28:38 Today one of the units decided it deeply admires the lacadasical pace of the early 90's. 2013-05-14T21:28:48 i can blame the houseplant 2013-05-14T21:28:53 Bahhumbug - genetic engineering of infectious diseases; less stressful than IT, and there's some leadtime before the scriptkiddies get the ability to use 3d printers to manufacture airborne ebola crossed with weaponized anthrax. 2013-05-14T21:29:10 Thanks for that bright ray of sunshine. 2013-05-14T21:29:22 Houseplant is innocent in this. 2013-05-14T21:29:29 At least, until we find the toothmarks on the fiber. 2013-05-14T21:29:42 I was thinking more like sitting on a stool in the entrance to the local Walmart greeting people I would rather see turning into food. 2013-05-14T21:30:02 I have a feeling that tomorrow the storage guy will be reporting back that that unit has been reporting code 0xFUCKYOU since about 9am 2013-05-14T21:30:32 It's got me so keyed up I'm sitting here with top running on the mysql server 2013-05-14T21:30:34 Just in case 2013-05-14T21:31:44 Dagmar - still trying to wrap my head around your TERRIFYING EFFICIENCY incident; that's beautiful in a twisted way. 2013-05-14T21:32:43 Worst backfire I've had in years 2013-05-14T21:32:46 brainpix = Ralph Steadman drawing of Dagmar as Hunter S. Thompson in "Fear and Loathing" 2013-05-14T21:33:07 I was thinking that maybe if the servers could get whatever the fuck they were trying to retrieve in a satisfactory fashion they'd cache it and stop. 2013-05-14T21:33:08 NOPE. 2013-05-14T21:33:29 Just the look of sheer horror on HST's face... 2013-05-14T21:34:22 The sad thing is that other people have engineered their own mechanized self-ddoses much more effectively 2013-05-14T21:34:25 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5703758 2013-05-14T21:34:26 Title: Linux local privilege escalation 0day, 2.6.37 - 3.8.10 | Hacker News (at news.ycombinator.com) 2013-05-14T21:34:35 This day will start getting better at some point, I'm sure. 2013-05-14T21:34:57 Maybe it's time to go back to AmigaOS... 2013-05-14T21:35:06 (this may be the 2.6.32 exploit if it's been backported) 2013-05-14T21:35:17 Oh hell yes 2013-05-14T21:35:28 Our shit is too old 2013-05-14T21:35:46 Define "too old". 2013-05-14T21:35:59 over 19? 2013-05-14T21:36:11 hehe 2013-05-14T21:36:26 Hopefully not backported into 2.6.32 2013-05-14T21:36:35 Fuck. Nevermind. 2013-05-14T21:38:34 http://people.centos.org/hughesjr/c6kernel/2.6.32-358.6.1.el6.cve20132094/ in the event you get heat about it. 2013-05-14T21:38:35 Title: Index of /hughesjr/c6kernel/2.6.32-358.6.1.el6.cve20132094CentOS People (at people.centos.org) 2013-05-14T21:38:38 fuck yes 2013-05-14T21:38:45 re: phreaknic doing a printable gun 2013-05-14T21:38:53 That's not going to end well. 2013-05-14T21:39:54 Bahhumbug: We can purge and patch. I'm just not looking forward to filling out the change management paperwork 2013-05-14T21:40:58 Requsted Change: Prevent assholes from pwning us. 2013-05-14T21:41:05 Requested Change Date: Yesterday 2013-05-14T21:41:13 Er, I was thinking of a talk, not a demo. With the Freeside Atlanta folks there doing 3d printer stuff anyway, plus some possible FBI interest/sponsorship (the agent I'm talking with is a family friend), we could put together an interesting panel discussion if nothing else. 2013-05-14T21:41:14 Requested Changer Scope: STFU and let me do my job. 2013-05-14T21:41:34 Bahhumbug: I have a strong suspicion that most hackers would run screaming after they see what our users are doing 2013-05-14T21:41:35 jonnyx: Ok, that makes more sane sense. 2013-05-14T21:41:58 Nah. They'd pop a beer, sit back, and laugh at you and your coworkers fighting fires. 2013-05-14T21:42:06 Hell, that's pure entertainment right there. 2013-05-14T21:42:11 I think we have a twitter stream for that 2013-05-14T21:42:14 You work for an EDU. 2013-05-14T21:42:20 There is always stupid shit occuring. 2013-05-14T21:42:36 You know. 2013-05-14T21:42:37 Beer. 2013-05-14T21:42:38 I bought new slacks tonight because the new CIO will be in tomorrow and I should look nice to offset the language I will be using most of the day. 2013-05-14T21:42:46 It sounds really, really good right about now. 2013-05-14T21:42:53 Umm. 2013-05-14T21:42:54 CIO? 2013-05-14T21:42:55 Hi. 2013-05-14T21:42:57 You're an EDU 2013-05-14T21:43:03 Yeah go figure 2013-05-14T21:43:05 new cio. gotcha, shit on desk in the morning. 2013-05-14T21:43:08 * Bahhumbug shudders 2013-05-14T21:43:08 OK, I haven't run PN in a while; what's the official policy on guns, especially wrt recently passed laws? 2013-05-14T21:43:22 jonnyx: if I don't see em, I don't have a policy 2013-05-14T21:43:22 "Please no." 2013-05-14T21:43:39 jonnyx: People should be deeply afraid of what will happen should they present them to the populace in the wrong light 2013-05-14T21:43:56 As in "remember those kids I almost killed that one time?" 2013-05-14T21:44:02 You just know some idiot will be flexing and waving one around. 2013-05-14T21:44:06 jonnyx: if your name sounds like hever and you show up, the cops will be called and reports filed saying you were brandishing a firearm in an unsafe manner 2013-05-14T21:44:18 Unless that kid is kludge I'll drop a chair on him 2013-05-14T21:44:18 Hehehehe 2013-05-14T21:44:35 If you must bring them (I'm thinking for post con trip to firing range), keep 'em locked in the car or in a locked case in your hotel room if you aren't going to leave them in your vehicle? 2013-05-14T21:44:51 IIRC the rooms had safes 2013-05-14T21:44:52