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2013-04-27T03:51:48  <aestetix_> vagina
2013-04-27T04:39:08  <wilpig_> looking like rob zombie had a dvd of the lords of salem get out
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2013-04-27T06:46:29  <Shadow404> waz up
2013-04-27T06:46:38  <wilpig_> shhhhh
2013-04-27T06:46:56  <Shadow404> does dolemite still freqent irc?
2013-04-27T06:47:22  <wilpig_> yes
2013-04-27T06:47:26  <Shadow404> cool
2013-04-27T07:26:04  <Shadow404> shit, i just had a doubletake: www.snsweather.com/google_bday.jpg
2013-04-27T07:26:30  <Shadow404> i guess it actually uses the data for your profile...hehe
2013-04-27T07:34:54  <wilpig_> makes sense
2013-04-27T07:34:59  <wilpig_> would be an easy thing to pull off
2013-04-27T07:50:27  <Shadow404> dammit, the neighbors are cooking bacon on their grill next door and i want some and they havent offered
2013-04-27T07:50:30  <Shadow404> assholes
2013-04-27T08:10:34  <Dagmar> Bingo.
2013-04-27T08:10:48  <Dagmar> Fucking both nodes down for about 55minutes before houseplant calls me
2013-04-27T08:10:59  <Dagmar> During finals change freeze
2013-04-27T08:25:07  <Dagmar> "Hey man, do we consider those web services?"
2013-04-27T08:31:39  <wilpig_> I keep sayinghe's fucking useless
2013-04-27T08:32:22  <wilpig_> when you've got notlarry saying the opposite I don't get listened to.
2013-04-27T08:40:55  <Shadow404> ok girls, calm down
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2013-04-27T09:47:31  <Corydon76-work> Shadow404: Happy birthday.  It's time for your birthday spanking.
2013-04-27T09:47:48  <Shadow404> im getting those tonight at the party
2013-04-27T09:47:52  <Shadow404> so thats taken care of
2013-04-27T09:48:10  <Corydon76-work> Why am I not surprised?
2013-04-27T09:48:58  <Shadow404> um, yeah, tis me
2013-04-27T09:49:30  <Shadow404> among other planned things.....
2013-04-27T09:49:52  <Shadow404> sorta worried about what she has planned
2013-04-27T09:50:44  <aestetix_> oh boy
2013-04-27T09:50:56  <aestetix_> SF Pridefest is getting a PR nightmare right now
2013-04-27T09:51:08  <Shadow404> for?
2013-04-27T09:51:34  <aestetix_> They posted that Bradley Manning was going to be one of the honored grand marshalls this year
2013-04-27T09:51:50  <aestetix_> And then the president of the org promptly retracted it
2013-04-27T09:51:59  <aestetix_> http://sfist.com/2013/04/26/sf_pride_backtracks_on_bradley_mann.php
2013-04-27T09:52:00  <GateKeeper> Title: Spineless S.F. Pride Backtracks On Bradley Manning As Grand Marshal: SFist (at sfist.com)
2013-04-27T09:52:52  <aestetix_> Seriously, that is the worst possible PR move to do in a region where like 90%+ of the people support Manning
2013-04-27T10:30:16  <Shadow404> your so fat that when the homicide team draws your outline, they have to go back for a second piece of chalk.
2013-04-27T10:30:31  <aestetix_> heh that's kind of funny
2013-04-27T10:56:44  <Corydon76-work> aestetix:  is it any worse than Whole Foods, which supported Romney, or Eden Foods, which is suing the White House over covering contraception?
2013-04-27T10:58:23  <Corydon76-work> Two great examples of corporations acting against their own best interests (and solely for the interests of their CEOs)
2013-04-27T11:01:37  <eryc> i'm outraged by this gay agenda against BM!
2013-04-27T11:01:46  <eryc> are there any anti-gay charities i can donate to
2013-04-27T11:02:55  <Corydon76-work> There's no agenda against bowel movements that I know of
2013-04-27T11:03:41  <aestetix_> Corydon76-work: yes, because Whole Foods does not pretend to be representative of a community.
2013-04-27T11:03:45  <aestetix_> They are a business.
2013-04-27T11:04:15  <Corydon76-work> SF Pride isn't representative of a community, either; they're a festival
2013-04-27T11:04:46  <Corydon76-work> Any such claim otherwise is just marketing
2013-04-27T11:05:10  <aestetix_> I think that's a new reality that's hitting a lot of people right now.
2013-04-27T11:05:38  <eryc> the wording of her statement was pretty funny
2013-04-27T11:05:44  <Corydon76-work> Nah, only the younger people who bought into the marketing
2013-04-27T11:06:08  <eryc> ONLY 15 PEOPLE VOTED FOR THIS (out of how many?) AND BIG LISA IS WHIPPING HER COCK OUT AND PUTTING A STOP TO IT
2013-04-27T11:06:16  <Corydon76-work> I remember being disappointed at one time at how corporate Nashville Pride got gotten
2013-04-27T11:06:50  <aestetix_> Corydon76-work: to be fair, Pride has gotten to be a lot less about Pride in the last few years.
2013-04-27T11:07:07  <eryc> what's it about now
2013-04-27T11:07:13  <aestetix_> Example: I worked the main stage at Pride.... 2010? We had to shut down the stage 30 minutes early because someone got shot in the crowd.
2013-04-27T11:07:16  <Corydon76-work> but the reality is that the festival is a business, albeit one with more in common with Calendar Kiosks than regular businesses
2013-04-27T11:07:55  <aestetix_> And the past few years, there have been a lot more... bros and drinking going on
2013-04-27T11:08:30  <Corydon76-work> There's always drinking going on... Budweiser is one of the sponsors
2013-04-27T11:08:45  <aestetix_> Corydon76-work: but the big thing is that a hell of a lot of people in the bay area are very pro-Bradley Manning
2013-04-27T11:09:04  <aestetix_> I'll be really interested to see how this plays out.
2013-04-27T11:09:15  <Corydon76-work> I'm neither pro- nor anti-
2013-04-27T11:09:26  <aestetix_> Not suggesting you are
2013-04-27T11:09:34  <eryc> aestetix_: you should get everyone to dress up in army fatigues with manning patches
2013-04-27T11:09:58  <Corydon76-work> and I suspect that most people are, in fact, like me... they have bigger things to worry about than whether he's convicted or not
2013-04-27T11:10:15  <eryc> everyone is just like you
2013-04-27T11:10:17  <Corydon76-work> I'm ashamed of our nation for mistreating him after his arrest
2013-04-27T11:10:20  <aestetix_> Corydon76-work: the people who really have to worry about that are journalists.
2013-04-27T11:11:45  <eryc> welcome to the new military state
2013-04-27T11:11:46  <aestetix_> http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/27/bradley-manning-sf-gay-pride
2013-04-27T11:11:48  <GateKeeper> Title: Bradley Manning is off limits at SF Gay Pride parade, but corporate sleaze is embraced | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk (at www.guardian.co.uk)
2013-04-27T11:11:55  <aestetix_> eryc: it's been like this for a while.
2013-04-27T11:12:05  <aestetix_> However, technology is making more people realize it.
2013-04-27T11:12:36  <eryc> it's nice that people are acknowledging it now
2013-04-27T11:13:01  <aestetix_> Corydon76-work: I suspect that because of the type of marketing Pride does, a lot of people are going to take this personally.
2013-04-27T11:13:26  <Corydon76-work> Yep, a really bad PR mistake all around
2013-04-27T11:13:33  <eryc> all this talk about makers and takers, and the military is one big welfare system with guns pointed at everyone to keep up with the payments
2013-04-27T11:13:50  * aestetix_ nods
2013-04-27T11:13:58  <aestetix_> eryc: yep!
2013-04-27T11:14:20  <aestetix_> eryc: as a friend once pointed out, the US government's two biggest debtors are the American people and china.
2013-04-27T11:14:29  <aestetix_> We have nukes pointed at China. And you saw how Occupy went.
2013-04-27T11:15:00  <aestetix_> Corydon76-work: like I said, this will be interesting to watch. I'll be really impressed if Pride can recover from this unscathed.
2013-04-27T11:15:08  <Corydon76-work> The more you expose the corporatist agenda, though, the better off it will be come election time
2013-04-27T11:15:20  <Corydon76-work> I think the 2012 election proved that
2013-04-27T11:15:23  * aestetix_ nods
2013-04-27T11:15:55  <Corydon76-work> In many ways, the corporate funding of election ads actually backfired during 2012
2013-04-27T11:16:08  <aestetix_> Corydon76-work: there's another element to it, though.
2013-04-27T11:16:21  <aestetix_> A lot of those ads were targeted at TV. I think Obama targeted social media way more.
2013-04-27T11:16:27  <aestetix_> Which seems to be where all the kids are these days.
2013-04-27T11:16:35  <Corydon76-work> Yeah, I don't see TV ads much anymore
2013-04-27T11:17:17  <Corydon76-work> 2016 is going to be a whole other landscape, what with the Koch brothers buying the Tribune Company
2013-04-27T11:17:27  <aestetix_> The other thing playing against Romney was that whites are becoming a minority.
2013-04-27T11:18:07  <Corydon76-work> While that's part of it, the fact that Romney wholly embraced being a corporate shill really did him in
2013-04-27T11:18:34  * aestetix_ nods
2013-04-27T11:18:39  <Corydon76-work> Corporations are entities that people love to hate, even if they depend upon them on a daily basis
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2013-04-27T11:18:51  <aestetix_> Well, unsure how much of that was the picture painted by the Obama campaign.
2013-04-27T11:19:15  <Corydon76-work> It wasn't, in large part, but rather Romney's own ineptitude
2013-04-27T11:19:34  <Corydon76-work> "Corporations are people, my friend."
2013-04-27T11:21:02  <aestetix_> Hmm.
2013-04-27T11:21:15  <Corydon76-work> btw, I had to check my paperwork after HVTN 525 was stopped.  Not the vaccine I received.
2013-04-27T11:21:29  <aestetix_> One way I could see Pride recovering from this.... if that Lisa woman steps down, and Pride issues a new statement saying that x% of donations will go to manning's legal fees.
2013-04-27T11:21:56  <aestetix_> Since that removes the villan, and creates the impression of supporting manning, when really all they are doing is helping him have a fair trial.
2013-04-27T11:22:57  <aestetix_> And traitor or not, he's an American and deserves that much.
2013-04-27T11:25:10  <Corydon76-work> I think a far more likely scenario is that Pride will have a diminished crowd this year, SF Pride will declare it a financial success, because of all the corporate funding, and next year, they will suffer from corporations declining to fund the festival, because they don't want to be associated with a brand that caused a controversy, leading Pride to declare Chapter 11
2013-04-27T11:25:36  <aestetix_> Agreed.
2013-04-27T11:25:39  <aestetix_> Which is sad.
2013-04-27T11:25:48  <Corydon76-work> The board will blame the volunteer who released the initial statement, and the community will blame the backtrack
2013-04-27T11:25:51  <aestetix_> I'm just saying, there are ways out of this.
2013-04-27T11:26:00  <Corydon76-work> Not easily
2013-04-27T11:26:22  <aestetix_> I mean, the reality of what just happened
2013-04-27T11:26:34  <Corydon76-work> They're going to offend some subgroup which they previously had been able to keep together by avoiding controversy
2013-04-27T11:26:37  <aestetix_> Pride's rosy image just shattered for the entire new generation of queer people
2013-04-27T11:26:44  <eryc> besides the one blog entry on sfist, is there more intrage somewhere else?
2013-04-27T11:26:47  <aestetix_> https://twitter.com/search?q=%40sfpride&src=typd
2013-04-27T11:26:48  <GateKeeper> Title: Twitter / Search - @sfpride (at twitter.com)
2013-04-27T11:26:58  <aestetix_> eryc: I linked to the guardian article about it
2013-04-27T11:27:02  <aestetix_> and twitter is blowing up
2013-04-27T11:27:03  <Corydon76-work> Eh, that shattering happens every couple of years.  It's a generational thing
2013-04-27T11:27:42  <aestetix_> Corydon76-work: I realize that. This one linked a few big things together though.
2013-04-27T11:27:56  <Corydon76-work> All festivals aim to be in the black, whether the profit goes anywhere or not, and it's always a difficult balancing act
2013-04-27T11:28:02  <aestetix_> What actually scares me
2013-04-27T11:28:12  <aestetix_> I'm kind of worried for that Lisa woman's safety now.
2013-04-27T11:29:13  <Corydon76-work> Nah, the people who care are more likely to resort to blacklisting her in housing and employment than anything else
2013-04-27T11:29:18  <eryc> does she have a good dongle?
2013-04-27T11:29:21  <aestetix_> heh
2013-04-27T11:30:02  <Corydon76-work> In time, she'll accept a job in the mid-West, and people will forget about her bad judgement
2013-04-27T11:30:09  <aestetix_> haha
2013-04-27T11:30:49  <Corydon76-work> LIfe goes on.  In the grand scheme of things, this is a minor blip in her career
2013-04-27T11:31:03  <Corydon76-work> She'll probably be allowed to bow out gracefully at the end of her term
2013-04-27T11:31:18  <aestetix_> I hope so. I know that both Violet and Valerie were getting death threats and endless harassment as a result of the Bsides stuff
2013-04-27T11:31:25  <aestetix_> And we all saw what happened with donglegate
2013-04-27T11:31:38  <Corydon76-work> Yeah, but that's still just talk
2013-04-27T11:32:00  <Corydon76-work> That's a far cry from somebody showing up at their doorsteps with a gun or knife
2013-04-27T11:32:04  <aestetix_> True.
2013-04-27T11:32:14  <aestetix_> Although that kind of talk has driven several people to suicide.
2013-04-27T11:32:28  <aestetix_> oh boy
2013-04-27T11:32:30  <aestetix_> http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2013/04/27/sf-pride-president-capitulates-to-military-groups-announces-bradley-manning-wont-be-honored/
2013-04-27T11:32:36  <aestetix_> it just hit firedoglake
2013-04-27T11:32:40  <Corydon76-work> Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem
2013-04-27T11:33:05  <eryc> its on abcnews.com too
2013-04-27T11:33:48  <eryc> and politico
2013-04-27T11:33:48  <aestetix_> really?
2013-04-27T11:34:11  <eryc> http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/wikileaks-suspect-named-sf-pride-parade-marshal-90695.html http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/wikileaks-suspect-named-sf-pride-parade-marshal-19054391
2013-04-27T11:34:12  <GateKeeper> Title: Wikileaks suspect will not be named San Francisco Pride parade marshal - Associated Press - POLITICO.com (at www.politico.com)
2013-04-27T11:34:25  <aestetix_> oh boy
2013-04-27T11:34:32  <Corydon76-work> and, in other news (top story on Google): http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/27/feds-make-arrest-in-case-ricin-laced-letter-sent-to-obama/
2013-04-27T11:34:33  <GateKeeper> Title: Feds make arrest in case of ricin-laced letter sent to Obama | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com)
2013-04-27T11:34:45  <eryc> was it elvis?
2013-04-27T11:35:09  <aestetix_> as much as I hate to say it
2013-04-27T11:35:15  <Corydon76-work> Nope, dropped charges against him
2013-04-27T11:35:27  <aestetix_> It seems like all these situations could be averted if people would just read more science fiction
2013-04-27T11:35:31  <eryc> right, but another elvis
2013-04-27T11:35:40  <aestetix_> Since asimov/heinlein/etc addressed all these social issues years ago
2013-04-27T11:36:03  <eryc> so elvis should sue the government right?
2013-04-27T11:36:26  <Corydon76-work> Elvis should probably sue the news organizations
2013-04-27T11:37:20  <Corydon76-work> He has a good case for libel
2013-04-27T11:38:58  <eryc> http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/27/perry-blasts-california-newspaper-for-cartoon-depicting-texas-plant-explosion/?intcmp=trending
2013-04-27T11:38:59  <GateKeeper> Title: Perry blasts California newspaper for cartoon depicting Texas plant explosion | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com)
2013-04-27T11:41:05  <eryc> this has some juicy details on elvis and douchey http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/26/ricin-suspect_n_3161909.html?utm_hp_ref=politics
2013-04-27T11:41:06  <GateKeeper> Title: Everett Dutschke, Man Named In Ricin Mailing Case, Goes Into Hiding (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
2013-04-27T11:41:08  <aestetix_> http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/apr/27/san-francisco-gay-pride-bradley-manning?CMP=twt_fd
2013-04-27T11:41:09  <GateKeeper> Title: San Francisco gay pride rescinds honour for Bradley Manning | World news | guardian.co.uk (at www.guardian.co.uk)
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2013-04-27T20:39:09  <sdodson> Dagmar, wilpig_ : everyone here is up at arms about a family w/ three kids all playing on the same side. The kids are all under 18, some under 13 which is apparently a violation of TOS. Whatya say? It sort of sucks because it's a roaming 5 player level 8 storm of distruction.
2013-04-27T20:42:19  <Dagmar> Well, as long as the parents aren't letting the kids run around loose on the streets... that one's up to Google
2013-04-27T20:42:42  <Dagmar> I would have a *major* problem if they were just letting schoolkids run all over the city on their own or something
2013-04-27T20:43:08  <wilpig_> ToS said nobody under 18. honestly doesn't matter which side disable the accounts for those under 18
2013-04-27T20:43:43  <Dagmar> Well, like I said, that's up to Google
2013-04-27T20:43:54  <Dagmar> Let Google make the call on the under 18 thing
2013-04-27T20:44:11  <Dagmar> ...but I would make them aware of it
2013-04-27T20:44:57  <Dagmar> Blizzard's ToS says a bunch of stuff about age, but they have exceptions for guardian-sponsored play
2013-04-27T20:45:14  <Dagmar> Google may be assuming that, they may not
2013-04-27T20:45:35  <Dagmar> That having been said, it's _effectiveness_ is doubtless
2013-04-27T20:45:52  <Dagmar> The smurfs here are generally hopeless until a bunch of them get together at once
2013-04-27T20:49:37  <sdodson> Resistance used to rule the land here, enlightened have done a bunch of recruiting and leveling lately and now I find it a big frustrating dealing with them taking my daily farm portal back every few days.
2013-04-27T20:49:56  <sdodson> I wish it were a more defensive game.
2013-04-27T20:50:48  <Dagmar> Ya'll gotta reach out to them and point out that the game turns shitty and boring for _both_ sides when it swings wildly out of baalnce like that
2013-04-27T20:51:03  <Dagmar> The bigger smurfs are starting to get that clue here
2013-04-27T20:51:16  <Dagmar> E already figured it out
2013-04-27T20:51:40  <Dagmar> When it gets lopsided it doesn't even matter which side controls everything.  People start quitting out of boredom on both sides
2013-04-27T20:51:48  <wilpig_> sdodson: every few days?  oh hell.  I can't keep my daily farming portal up for more than a fucking hour so I said I quit
2013-04-27T20:52:24  <Dagmar> Also, you're going to want to read this about Google Glass https://plus.google.com/+Scobleizer/posts/ZLV9GdmkRzS
2013-04-27T20:52:55  <Dagmar> wilpig: Someone finally got through to callrw
2013-04-27T20:53:13  <Dagmar> The only reason he was through yesterday was he had an L6 in tow
2013-04-27T20:53:16  <sdodson> I try not to read anything by Scoble
2013-04-27T20:53:31  <Dagmar> Yeah but he's given the glasses a pretty thorough testing
2013-04-27T20:53:38  <Dagmar> Like *really* thorough heheh
2013-04-27T20:53:48  <Dagmar> Is now swearing he'll never take them off again
2013-04-27T20:53:55  <sdodson> heh
2013-04-27T20:53:57  <sdodson> i'll read it later
2013-04-27T20:54:13  <sdodson> I didn't know he works at Rackspace.
2013-04-27T20:54:45  <Dagmar> Yeah he's stayed busy
2013-04-27T20:56:01  <wilpig_> jason and I were discussing rogue the other night
2013-04-27T20:56:45  <wilpig_> do you know what the official vandy policy is for being on the campus at night? because I couldn't find it online, jason was gonna ask the vupd next time he has to call them
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2013-04-27T21:02:19  <wilpig_> interesting review on glass
2013-04-27T21:05:44  <Dagmar> As far as I know he's a student, but they don't have a policy about it since it's right in the middle of the city
2013-04-27T21:06:26  <Dagmar> All I know is they don't consider it a "closed" campus.  If you're not stirring up shit you're not their problem
2013-04-27T21:07:04  <wilpig_> he's not a student
2013-04-27T21:07:21  <wilpig_> he was a belmont student.
2013-04-27T21:07:31  <sdodson> Are many state schools closed campuses?
2013-04-27T21:07:36  <sdodson> I guess Vandy isn't a state school.
2013-04-27T21:07:54  <wilpig_> any school with dorms typically get a little more restrictive at night around the dorms
2013-04-27T21:08:04  <sdodson> I've never even thought about it not being right to walk around NC State, for one my office is currently located on campus.
2013-04-27T21:09:11  <sdodson> I don't know where the dorms are versus where they aren't, I believe they're sprinkled all over the place, NC State has two main campus areas, one that's urban'ish and like 5 blocks x 10 blocks. The other is suburbanish and that's where my office is.
2013-04-27T21:09:18  <sdodson> It's got a public golf course and shit
2013-04-27T21:09:38  <sdodson> June 7th however we're no longer on campus, my team is the last team to remain in the old building.
2013-04-27T21:10:11  <wilpig_> I know where the dorms are and I avoid those areas just because I don't want any kind of possible trouble
2013-04-27T21:10:30  <wilpig_> doctor who was interesting tonight
2013-04-27T21:13:26  <wilpig_> Dagmar: I finally got traps in gnomoria and they make a world of difference in fending off attacks
2013-04-27T21:15:49  <sdodson> wilpig_: you're so anti-creeper
2013-04-27T21:16:00  * sdodson packs for St.Louis
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2013-04-27T21:17:32  <aestetix_> dongle
2013-04-27T21:21:12  <wilpig_> aestetix_: sexist
2013-04-27T21:21:16  <Dagmar> UNfortunately they don't ever really kill anything
2013-04-27T21:21:27  <wilpig_> they've been killing goblins for me
2013-04-27T21:21:36  <Dagmar> Must be unarmored goblins
2013-04-27T21:21:47  <wilpig_> I have a maze that is 1 wide that shit has to come through to get to me and it's lined with traps
2013-04-27T21:21:55  <wilpig_> anything that makes it through has been bleeding already
2013-04-27T21:21:59  <Dagmar> i'm currently plowing through another winter with the doors shut, now that I have some mechanical walls
2013-04-27T21:22:45  <Dagmar> The last trader that came through just got paid in slightly used iron armor
2013-04-27T21:22:57  <Dagmar> >500 steel ingots
2013-04-27T21:23:18  <Dagmar> Not much need to worry about trying to turn all that into steel when there's so much gold and platinum ore to be smelted
2013-04-27T21:23:35  <wilpig_> I haven't even seen gold ore yet
2013-04-27T21:23:40  <wilpig_> guess I need to go deeper
2013-04-27T21:25:59  <Dagmar> Buy it
2013-04-27T21:26:09  <Dagmar> Traders bring it and platinum ore
2013-04-27T21:26:10  <wilpig_> haven't seen any on merchants yet
2013-04-27T21:26:21  <wilpig_> gonan save this here and goto dinner.  bbl
2013-04-27T21:27:21  <Dagmar> Ah... You have to have a trading post thingy up, and they'll show up on day 5 of spring/summer/fall shortly after dawn
2013-04-27T21:48:52  <wilpig_> I have four merchant stalls, they just haven't brought gold or anything like that
2013-04-27T21:50:56  <wilpig_> I'm almost 100% positive that comcrap is limiting my outbound again.  http://blueboy.wilpig.org/mrtg/127.0.0.1_eth0.html
2013-04-27T21:50:57  <GateKeeper> Title: Traffic Analysis for eth0 -- blueboy.wilpig.org (at blueboy.wilpig.org)
2013-04-27T21:55:55  <Dagmar> Yep.  Sure looks like it
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2013-04-27T23:01:31  <eryc> guys i just bought 5 cell phones so i can be the best at ingress
2013-04-27T23:01:41  <eryc> i'm going to level each account to the maxed
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