2013-03-22T01:23:28  <RangerZ> PhreakNic theme, see who can do the craziest shit and get away with it while blaming dagmar
2013-03-22T01:23:29  <RangerZ> ?
2013-03-22T01:24:13  <RangerZ> I personally Enjoyed the "put condoms under every door and a note saying 'with love from Dagmar', call me at ##############"
2013-03-22T01:30:08  <Dagmar> Very bad idea
2013-03-22T01:39:40  <aestetix_> RangerZ: you should make a fake Dagmar twitter account and tweet sexist things at the Ada Initiative
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2013-03-22T07:24:09  <Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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2013-03-22T08:28:47  <sdodson> aestetix_: i have no idea what ddate is
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2013-03-22T08:36:41  <NotLarry> Corydon76-work: you here
2013-03-22T08:36:48  <NotLarry> wilpig: ping
2013-03-22T08:45:18  <Dagmar> yuck
2013-03-22T08:45:24  <Dagmar> STILL running a goddamn fever
2013-03-22T08:47:58  <Dagmar> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-ZoYKakPr9U0/US1PEQWEGCI/AAAAAAAAfcQ/JyJVM_W4F2Y/s1600/00000.gif
2013-03-22T09:16:59  <wilpig> NotLarry: whats up?
2013-03-22T10:16:39  <wilpig> whoa... cern speaks up on the mailing list
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2013-03-22T12:38:12  <aestetix_> ok so
2013-03-22T12:38:17  <aestetix_> what does "wincest" mean?
2013-03-22T12:38:23  <aestetix_> I know what "twincest" is (unfortunately)
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2013-03-22T13:18:02  <NotLarry> wilpig: ping
2013-03-22T13:43:01  <aestetix_> dongle
2013-03-22T14:01:25  <peacebyfire> anybody going to the Frightened Rabbit show Sunday in Nashville?
2013-03-22T16:17:56  <aestetix_> so
2013-03-22T16:18:06  <aestetix_> I think the meeting I just sat through wins the award for most boring and useless meeting ever
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2013-03-22T16:21:40  <RangerZ> what is the 'frightened rabbit' show? lol
2013-03-22T16:28:19  <K4k> dongledongledongle
2013-03-22T16:37:13  <peacebyfire> RangerZ: scottish band, playing at 3rd and lindsley. I love them
2013-03-22T16:37:24  <peacebyfire> I also second aestetix_
2013-03-22T16:37:29  <peacebyfire> 's statement
2013-03-22T16:39:23  <RangerZ> aestetix_: the darpa meeting i just sat through...  probably won
2013-03-22T16:39:30  <RangerZ> no robots or killer AI
2013-03-22T16:39:35  <RangerZ> so a slacker darpa meeting
2013-03-22T17:10:23  <peacebyfire> it's been a while. whats a cheap way to get a registered domain name pointing to my home network?
2013-03-22T17:10:30  <peacebyfire> just dyndns?
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2013-03-22T17:40:52  <Dagmar> Pretty much
2013-03-22T17:43:15  <aestetix_> hey
2013-03-22T17:43:20  <aestetix_> apparently nyms are a niche issue
2013-03-22T17:43:20  <aestetix_> http://mail.idecosystem.org/pipermail/mgmtcouncil_idecosystem.org/2013-March/000449.html
2013-03-22T17:43:21  <GateKeeper> Title: [Mgmtcouncil] Greetings from Nymrights, and some questions (at mail.idecosystem.org)
2013-03-22T17:45:20  <Dagmar> Shit I gotta send them that form back still
2013-03-22T17:46:10  <Dagmar> That response is crap
2013-03-22T17:46:33  <Dagmar> "WE're not paying anyone, but this would leave us short of manpower, so I'm going to get in the way"
2013-03-22T17:46:55  <aestetix_> yep
2013-03-22T17:47:25  <Dagmar> I suppose the thing to do is to simply keep pounding that drum in the privacy committee until they back a change
2013-03-22T17:47:44  <aestetix_> nope
2013-03-22T17:47:54  <aestetix_> we had a lot meeting with the privacy committee
2013-03-22T17:47:57  <Dagmar> ...as in back a chance to form a new committee
2013-03-22T17:47:58  <aestetix_> they don't fucking get it at all
2013-03-22T17:48:02  <Dagmar> s/chance/change/
2013-03-22T17:48:09  <Dagmar> Keep beating the drum
2013-03-22T17:48:13  <Dagmar> Drown things out
2013-03-22T17:48:14  <aestetix_> no, I'm keeping the group status in limbo until we get a committee
2013-03-22T17:48:20  <Dagmar> k
2013-03-22T17:50:24  <aestetix_> basically, at the last idesg plenary, we had a 4 hour meeting with the privacy committee chair
2013-03-22T17:50:37  <aestetix_> which resulted in my shmoocon talk, because we spent the entire time debunking myths
2013-03-22T17:50:54  <aestetix_> these people don't have a fucking clue, and they are trying to determine an online identity policy to push onto everyone
2013-03-22T17:56:01  <Dagmar> jesus it's only friday
2013-03-22T17:56:35  <aestetix_> Dagmar:
2013-03-22T17:56:35  <aestetix_> http://mail.idecosystem.org/pipermail/mgmtcouncil_idecosystem.org/2013-March/000450.html
2013-03-22T17:56:36  <GateKeeper> Title: [Mgmtcouncil] Greetings from Nymrights, and some questions (at mail.idecosystem.org)
2013-03-22T17:56:39  <aestetix_> this response is even worse
2013-03-22T17:57:21  <Dagmar> What a fuckhead
2013-03-22T17:59:15  <Dagmar> His argument basically comes down to "If I'm a member of a committee, I want to be able to determine the validity of someone's argument based on outside factors, such as whether or not they're gay, without having to put forth the effort to carefully weigh their arguments and search for any flaws."
2013-03-22T17:59:32  <aestetix_> He just made IDESG look really bad.
2013-03-22T17:59:56  <Dagmar> With people like that in charge they won't get anywhere
2013-03-22T18:00:00  <aestetix_> yep
2013-03-22T18:00:07  <Dagmar> It's fundamentally broken to have him there at all
2013-03-22T18:00:12  <Dagmar> He's already made all of his decisions.
2013-03-22T18:00:30  <aestetix_> Agreed.
2013-03-22T18:00:43  <Dagmar> "There is an asymmetry of communication and power, ironically in favour of the anonymous participant"
2013-03-22T18:00:44  <aestetix_> That's why we're setting up some land mines for them to walk over :)
2013-03-22T18:01:00  <Dagmar> In other words, he doesn't like that the anonymous person could call him out for being gay, while he can't do the same
2013-03-22T18:01:00  <aestetix_> I like this though. My identity talk was getting tired of the quotes from zuckerberg and google
2013-03-22T18:01:04  <aestetix_> I have some new quotes now :)
2013-03-22T18:01:09  <Dagmar> I gotta send that form in
2013-03-22T18:01:17  <Dagmar> I would tear this guy a new asshole
2013-03-22T18:02:53  <Dagmar> Let me rephrase that, I *will* tear that guy a new asshole once I get the form sent in
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2013-03-22T18:15:09  <aestetix_> I'm just thinking
2013-03-22T18:15:16  <aestetix_> these people are so scared of groups like anonymous
2013-03-22T18:15:16  <Dagmar> well, awesome
2013-03-22T18:15:22  <aestetix_> it really doesn't make sense to insult anonymous
2013-03-22T18:15:55  <Dagmar> One of the websites I was asked to remove on Wednesday turns out to have been a mistaken ticket
2013-03-22T18:16:14  <Dagmar> I dont' see anyone pointing out that the site was removed by request, which means they're probably blaming me for it
2013-03-22T18:18:01  <Dagmar> They're scared of groups like anonymous because they don't have any _leverage_ over them
2013-03-22T18:18:08  <Dagmar> This is why these people want "real" names.
2013-03-22T18:18:31  <Dagmar> It's so they can expand the scope of the argument and try to get "at" their opponent through means unrelated to the argument
2013-03-22T18:19:02  <Dagmar> They're used to being able to find a way to weild their power to get their way, regardless of the strength of their ideas.
2013-03-22T18:19:22  <Dagmar> This does not work against a faceless, amorphous collection of information.
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2013-03-22T20:07:58  <wilpig> Dagmar: what site did you remove?
2013-03-22T20:12:15  <aestetix_> Dagmar: yep
2013-03-22T20:12:35  <aestetix_> The funny thing is that you can actually identify someone who is pseudonymous
2013-03-22T20:12:41  <aestetix_> You just don't know their *legal* name.
2013-03-22T20:26:23  <aestetix_> "I do not buy in to the argument that someone can be an anonymous or pseudonymous member of a member-based organization. By becoming a member, you give up that privilege - and in *this* context, it is a privilege, not a right. Every member must have equal rights in the organization - and that extends to knowing who all the other members are."
2013-03-22T20:26:52  <aestetix_> That's words from someone who clearly has no idea what he's talking about.
2013-03-22T20:31:21  <Dagmar> Yes, the key to dismanting his argument is in asking why it would matter if you know "who" the other person is, outside the scope of the current group
2013-03-22T20:31:32  <Dagmar> wilpig: www.v.e/nursing
2013-03-22T20:31:54  <Dagmar> Lacy put in a ticket to remove it, in among about 40 I did on Wednesday
2013-03-22T20:33:00  <wilpig> going from the note on the board I am guessing that some dumbshit in the noc has been calling you and troy about cert warnings and storage warnings instead of just emailing?
2013-03-22T20:34:12  <Dagmar> Dunno.  Probably
2013-03-22T20:34:28  <Dagmar> It's more likely there might have been a monitor on the cert the iDev people let lapsse
2013-03-22T20:34:49  <Dagmar> Wednesday morning I was sick as a dog but just wasn't showing a fever
2013-03-22T20:35:11  <Dagmar> idev managed to let one of their certs expire, and *none of  them knew how to correctly replace it*
2013-03-22T20:35:44  <Dagmar> If it had been Brewer&Co instead of the indian girls, I'd have just let them stew