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2013-03-19T01:55:47  <aestetix_> So
2013-03-19T01:55:48  <aestetix_> sdodson: maybe
2013-03-19T01:56:02  <aestetix_> Does anyone know.... mysql to mariadb number conversions
2013-03-19T01:56:11  <aestetix_> because there is apparently a mariadb 5.2
2013-03-19T02:10:10  <aestetix_> nevemind
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2013-03-19T07:36:23  <RangerZ> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130318/23033422370/expose-blatant-security-hole-ats-servers-get-35-years-jail.shtml
2013-03-19T07:36:24  <GateKeeper> Title: Expose A Blatant Security Hole In ATT's Servers, Get 3.5 Years In Jail | Techdirt (at www.techdirt.com)
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2013-03-19T07:43:27  <Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
2013-03-19T07:57:40  <wilpig> NO
2013-03-19T07:57:48  <wilpig> THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU
2013-03-19T07:59:52  <wilpig> so dolemite... I hear tale that you guys have an excess of gold just laying around in the datacenter.  i'll come take it off your hands
2013-03-19T08:12:03  <wilpig> don't ignore me dolemite...  I know you have gold.  we all want our cut!
2013-03-19T08:12:25  <Dolemite> I gold plated my toilet
2013-03-19T08:12:34  <wilpig> that's a shitty use for it
2013-03-19T08:12:46  <wilpig> I'll take mine in bar form, kthx
2013-03-19T08:13:15  <Dolemite> I think I can shit some bars for you
2013-03-19T08:13:25  <Dolemite> They already look like a Baby Ruth
2013-03-19T08:13:27  <wilpig> eat more fiber
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2013-03-19T08:27:04  <Dolemite> I see that Andreas has closed out his suggestion on the tags after looking further into it.
2013-03-19T08:27:18  <Dolemite> Have you added my Unit of Measurement to the config page yet?
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2013-03-19T09:44:50  <wilpig> I'll do it tonight.  did you see that he submitted a code suggestion for the units?
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2013-03-19T13:40:23  <peacebyfire> anyone here tried golang?
2013-03-19T13:40:34  <peacebyfire> go rather
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2013-03-19T13:45:05  <opticron> peacebyfire, I've seen some things about it
2013-03-19T13:45:13  <opticron> haven't really done anything in it myself
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2013-03-19T14:11:07  <peacebyfire> Just thought it might be fun to play with, just wanting opinions
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2013-03-19T15:07:29  <K4k> I'm trying to lock down Firefox so my users can't muck it up anymore on our remote desktop server (thanks Mozilla for allowing normal users to update Firefox without admin rights). Has anyone figured out how to remove the "update now" button from the help menu? I've got auto update disabled but now this pops up and I know my users are going to find it and update anyway...
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2013-03-19T16:12:55  <jim_ec2> K4k: lrn 2 policy?
2013-03-19T16:45:52  <Bahhumbug> +1
2013-03-19T17:52:31  <aestetix_> man
2013-03-19T17:52:38  <aestetix_> there is drama breaking out in almost every mailing list I am on
2013-03-19T17:52:54  <aestetix_> I wonder why everyone is so charged
2013-03-19T17:53:14  <aestetix_> (and I lurk on most of them, so it's not my fault)
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2013-03-19T18:13:29  <Bahhumbug> I blame you as the common denominator.
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2013-03-19T19:13:03  <sdodson> aestetix_: no i don't know anything about xtradb
2013-03-19T19:13:41  <sdodson> aestetix_: https://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-compatibility/
2013-03-19T19:13:45  <GateKeeper> Title: MariaDB versus MySQL - Compatibility - AskMonty KnowledgeBase (at kb.askmonty.org)
2013-03-19T19:13:59  <sdodson> K4k: fedora does that by default
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2013-03-19T19:26:10  <eryc> mariadb sucks
2013-03-19T19:26:56  <eryc> shit doesn't compile on solaris and if you want to get uppity you should fucking use postgres anyway
2013-03-19T19:37:24  <sdodson> eryc: can i get uppity in other ways?
2013-03-19T19:44:51  <eryc> yes
2013-03-19T19:54:21  <sdodson> eryc: do, as a professional, have any suggestions for how I may get uppity?
2013-03-19T20:33:02  <wilpig> sdodson: I think you need to start with the reverse process that michael jackson was getting
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2013-03-19T22:05:14  <aestetix_> eryc: uh
2013-03-19T22:05:25  <aestetix_> eryc: I'd be using a recompiled binary
2013-03-19T22:05:37  <aestetix_> And I have a hard time believing it sucks given that it's more up to date than mysql
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2013-03-19T22:12:49  <Bahhumbug> More up to date than the reference?
2013-03-19T22:13:11  <Bahhumbug> The version skew with mariadb and mysql is going to get interesting.
2013-03-19T22:15:45  <aestetix_> Bahhumbug: yes.
2013-03-19T22:16:00  <aestetix_> Bahhumbug: from what I understand, ever since Oracle bought mysql, it's stagnated.
2013-03-19T22:16:09  <aestetix_> Which is why FC has ditched mysql in favor of mariadb.
2013-03-19T22:17:47  <Bahhumbug> There is no FC anymore, btw - it's been just Fedora since F6 :)
2013-03-19T22:18:42  <aestetix_> Meh ask sdodson, he works at Redhat, not me.
2013-03-19T22:54:24  <aestetix_> sdodson: any comments on this? https://t.co/RpYwjZtgr2
2013-03-19T22:54:27  <GateKeeper> Title: Bug 823156 Reintroduce ddate into Fedora (at t.co)
2013-03-19T22:54:48  <aestetix_> The developer Karel Zak seems like a bigot.
2013-03-19T23:02:29  <Dagmar> WHy the fuck would you take that out in the first place?
2013-03-19T23:02:51  <aestetix_> Because he's a religious bigot, I guess.
2013-03-19T23:03:18  <Dagmar> Sounds like he's a fucking Greyface to me
2013-03-19T23:03:32  <aestetix_> What's a greyface?
2013-03-19T23:03:43  <aestetix_> oh, right
2013-03-19T23:04:21  <aestetix_> I also read through the redhat mailing list archives on this
2013-03-19T23:04:27  <aestetix_> https://t.co/XCKT06VUxF
2013-03-19T23:04:28  <GateKeeper> Title: The devel August 2011 Archive by thread (at t.co)
2013-03-19T23:04:38  <aestetix_> Every single argument they made in favor of removing ddate was bullshit.
2013-03-19T23:05:19  <aestetix_> This is actually something that would keep me from ever using Fedora.
2013-03-19T23:05:31  <aestetix_> Not because I actively use ddate, but because that's fucking insulting.
2013-03-19T23:05:39  <Dagmar> I feel like I should just set up an account to post "Slackware still has ddate, and probably will forever"
2013-03-19T23:05:52  <aestetix_> Ubuntu has it.
2013-03-19T23:06:04  <Dagmar> It's not like the fucking thing is exploitable
2013-03-19T23:06:06  <aestetix_> or did
2013-03-19T23:06:27  <aestetix_> huh, it must have been removed from ubuntu as well :/
2013-03-19T23:06:36  <Dagmar> What the fuck is there to "maintain"?
2013-03-19T23:06:45  <aestetix_> it's in 10.04 LTS, but not 12.04 LTS
2013-03-19T23:07:08  <Dagmar> The Discordian Calendar, if anything, is _less_ complex by far than the Gregorian Calendar
2013-03-19T23:07:13  <aestetix_> Yep.
2013-03-19T23:07:19  <aestetix_> Today is actually a holiday.
2013-03-19T23:08:07  <Dagmar> Today is Pungenday, the 5th day of Discord in the YOLD 3179
2013-03-19T23:08:07  <Dagmar> Celebrate Mojoday
2013-03-19T23:09:24  <aestetix_> I'm confused. It must have been removed from the new ubuntu repo.
2013-03-19T23:09:59  <Dagmar> Greyfaces.
2013-03-19T23:10:06  <Dagmar> They don't understand it, so of course it has to go
2013-03-19T23:10:27  <aestetix_> "It's silly."
2013-03-19T23:10:43  <aestetix_> Show me a religion that *isn't* silly on some level.
2013-03-19T23:12:19  <aestetix_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/util-linux/+bug/988925
2013-03-19T23:12:21  <GateKeeper> Title: Bug #988925 “util-linux no longer provides ddate” : Bugs : “util-linux” package : Ubuntu (at bugs.launchpad.net)
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2013-03-19T23:13:26  <aestetix_> And more chatter
2013-03-19T23:13:26  <aestetix_> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=650321
2013-03-19T23:13:29  <aestetix_> how did I miss this
2013-03-19T23:13:30  <GateKeeper> Title: #650321 - util-linux: ddate missing from util-linux 2.20.1 - Debian Bug report logs (at bugs.debian.org)
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2013-03-19T23:19:56  <aestetix_> https://plus.google.com/111319147897550904359/posts
2013-03-19T23:20:03  <aestetix_> this guy does not look like a greyface, wtf
2013-03-19T23:23:02  <Dagmar> Just becuase he's a longhair doesn't mean he's not a humorless drone
2013-03-19T23:23:08  <Dagmar> mwah
2013-03-19T23:23:15  <Bahhumbug> He's friends with Lennart.
2013-03-19T23:23:16  <Dagmar> wrong @#$@ window
2013-03-19T23:23:18  <Bahhumbug> 'nuf said.
2013-03-19T23:24:31  <aestetix_> lol
2013-03-19T23:27:28  <aestetix_> huh
2013-03-19T23:27:38  <aestetix_> it's in ubuntu 11.10, but not 12.04 LTS
2013-03-19T23:35:00  <Dagmar> Ugh.  Don't feel like doing any trig right now
2013-03-19T23:35:25  <Dagmar> I got enough data points from some carefully placed bursters to get solid data on XMP damage falloff
2013-03-19T23:35:47  <aestetix_> whew
2013-03-19T23:35:50  <aestetix_> that workaround worked
2013-03-19T23:35:59  <aestetix_> I'm gonna work on getting ddate on my production systems now
2013-03-19T23:36:15  <Dagmar> It's not like it's a complex bit of code
2013-03-19T23:36:21  <aestetix_> it really isn't
2013-03-19T23:36:26  <Dagmar> It could probably stand to have more 5's in it tho
2013-03-19T23:36:40  <Bahhumbug> It's also not like it actually offers any utility value for 99.99999% of humanity :)
2013-03-19T23:37:01  <Dagmar> It serves as a reminder that a lot of us are still complete lunatics.
2013-03-19T23:37:11  <Bahhumbug> You need to be reminded?
2013-03-19T23:37:33  <Dagmar> I don't need to be reminded, but clearly "normal" people do
2013-03-19T23:37:40  <Bahhumbug> Ahh.
2013-03-19T23:37:41  <aestetix_> Bahhumbug: because programming is totally intended for 99.9999999% of humanity
2013-03-19T23:37:49  <Dagmar> Exactly.
2013-03-19T23:38:03  <Dagmar> Some have said there is a fine line between genius and insanity.
2013-03-19T23:38:08  <aestetix_> Also, who said everyone uses the Gregorian Calendar?
2013-03-19T23:38:14  <Dagmar> Those who would know, know there is no line.
2013-03-19T23:38:30  <aestetix_> Bahhumbug: the thing is, it takes more effort to remove it than not to remove it.
2013-03-19T23:38:44  <aestetix_> And if you put forth that effort, according to the utility logic, there must be a reason.
2013-03-19T23:39:34  <aestetix_> It has all the appearances of, say, a new manager coming into an office, and trying to force everything to work the way his old office did.
2013-03-19T23:41:25  <aestetix_> If that Zak guy just looked at it, thought "lol silly" and ignored it, that would have taken very little effort.
2013-03-19T23:42:02  <Dagmar> I'm figuring it was just the curse of greyface
2013-03-19T23:42:10  <aestetix_> Yeah, very likely.
2013-03-19T23:42:19  <Dagmar> I mean, kicking it out because _you don't understand it_?
2013-03-19T23:42:23  <Dagmar> That's greyface shit there
2013-03-19T23:42:26  <aestetix_> Yep.
2013-03-19T23:42:42  <aestetix_> If it had been using up like a gig, had memory leaks, or security holes, I could see it being an issue.
2013-03-19T23:42:50  <Dagmar> Right.
2013-03-19T23:43:13  <Dagmar> It was a rinkydink binary that barely takes up an inode, and wasn't bothering anyone.
2013-03-19T23:43:37  <Dagmar> Next thing you know they'll start dropping fortune
2013-03-19T23:43:48  <Dagmar> Then we make it a kernel module.
2013-03-19T23:44:13  <Dagmar> mknod /dev/fortune and screw you if you don't like it
2013-03-19T23:45:47  <aestetix_> At the risk of being inflammatory
2013-03-19T23:46:07  <aestetix_> "I went to school to learn about computers to make money. Now I have a good job, but I am finding things in the system that don't fit in my world-view"
2013-03-19T23:46:25  <aestetix_> (yes, I know that's strawmanning....)
2013-03-19T23:47:04  <Bahhumbug> systemd-fortune
2013-03-19T23:47:16  <Bahhumbug> You chuckle now.  But you know it's coming.