2013-03-18T00:20:17  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: So, Fedora 19 is named "Schrodinger's Cat", guess what's not escaped in grub.cfg and what completely screws things up?
2013-03-18T00:41:07  <Bahhumbug> The config stanza titled "LennartOS"?
2013-03-18T00:41:25  <Bahhumbug> I didn't know the name was finalized yet.
2013-03-18T00:41:54  <Bahhumbug> I wonder how fucked up anaconda will be for 19.
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2013-03-18T02:43:00  <aestetix_> vagina
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2013-03-18T07:31:50  <Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
2013-03-18T07:31:55  <wilpig> NO
2013-03-18T07:32:57  <Dolemite> Don't I wish that were true
2013-03-18T07:33:04  <Dolemite> This week is HELL WEEK
2013-03-18T07:33:54  <wilpig> what frat are you rushing?
2013-03-18T07:34:07  <wilpig> lambda lambda lambda?
2013-03-18T08:01:14  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: should be marvelous
2013-03-18T08:01:35  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: i didn't use it in F18, did you?
2013-03-18T08:22:36  <Bahhumbug> anaconda does not install a working LennartOS system on the vm instances I tried it on (vmware workstation and xen).
2013-03-18T08:31:48  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: oh come on, you're being juvenile with the whole LennartOS thing
2013-03-18T08:32:36  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: If two years from now everyone is on Systemd is that a success of the design or just the success of Red Hat's ability to force everyone to follow their lead?
2013-03-18T08:33:20  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
2013-03-18T08:33:26  <aestetix_> btw, can someone msg me an email to contact jonnyx?
2013-03-18T08:33:35  <wilpig> good luck on that
2013-03-18T08:33:44  <aestetix_> or.... any way to contact him?
2013-03-18T08:33:58  <aestetix_> sdodson: FC 19 is shrodinger's cat?
2013-03-18T08:34:04  <wilpig> I've texted, emailed, left voicemail for the last two weeks and gotten no response
2013-03-18T08:34:05  <sdodson> aestetix_: yes
2013-03-18T08:34:15  <aestetix_> that's..... kind of amazing
2013-03-18T08:34:31  <Bahhumbug> It's a failure of the release engineering teams of the distributions in question in not being willing to put a leash on Lennart and say "No, Lennart.  You can NOT turn this into your personal dream platform."
2013-03-18T08:34:40  <aestetix_> That's way cooler than natty narwhal and shit
2013-03-18T08:34:54  <aestetix_> Maybe FC 20 could be Heisenberg Uncertainty? :p
2013-03-18T08:35:07  <Bahhumbug> Assuming there is an F20.
2013-03-18T08:35:20  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: why on earth wouldn't there be?
2013-03-18T08:35:27  <Bahhumbug> If they continue to break shit they will shed users faster than they already are.
2013-03-18T08:35:36  <aestetix_> heh
2013-03-18T08:35:50  <sdodson> You know this happens every few years right?
2013-03-18T08:35:51  <aestetix_> I don't use FC.... however, I was impressed by the decision to kick mysql for mariadb
2013-03-18T08:35:54  <Bahhumbug> F18 is an embarrassment that should never have seen the light of day.
2013-03-18T08:36:05  <aestetix_> Bahhumbug: like Windows Vista?
2013-03-18T08:36:15  <wilpig> WinME
2013-03-18T08:36:19  <Bahhumbug> aestetix_: they are breaking the mysql -> mariadb.
2013-03-18T08:36:21  <aestetix_> oh god
2013-03-18T08:36:25  <Bahhumbug> There are conflicts all over the place.
2013-03-18T08:36:31  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: why are you using vmware and xen? those are two degenerate platforms anyway.
2013-03-18T08:36:31  <aestetix_> WinME, the only os where the beta was more stable than the final
2013-03-18T08:36:33  <Bahhumbug> It's a trainwreck.
2013-03-18T08:36:41  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: conflicts during a clean install?
2013-03-18T08:36:50  <Bahhumbug> Because I have no reason to want to touch kvm?
2013-03-18T08:37:27  <Bahhumbug> fedora-devel, look at some of Kofler's recent posts in the mariadb thread, he points out some of the conflicts.
2013-03-18T08:38:06  <sdodson> oh sorry, i didn't notice that was specifically in relation to mariadb.
2013-03-18T08:38:24  <Bahhumbug> They should just Obsoletes: mysql in the mariadb spec, gut mysql from the package metadata and be done with it.
2013-03-18T08:38:29  * sdodson off to work at Lennart Inc.
2013-03-18T08:38:36  <Bahhumbug> You laugh.
2013-03-18T08:38:47  <Bahhumbug> It's rapidly becoming Len and Kay's OS.
2013-03-18T08:38:51  <sdodson> AFAIK ther'es no desire to remove MySQL.
2013-03-18T08:38:59  <Bahhumbug> And therein lies the problem.
2013-03-18T08:39:03  <aestetix_> sdodson: wasn' the desire based on mysql no longer being maintained?
2013-03-18T08:39:05  <sdodson> Why?
2013-03-18T08:39:05  <Bahhumbug> There is no reason to not gut it.
2013-03-18T08:39:12  <Bahhumbug> aestetix_: +1
2013-03-18T08:39:35  <Bahhumbug> It will grow stagnant with no maintainers and therefore no security and other updates.
2013-03-18T08:39:39  <aestetix_> This is actually important for me to know, because I've been thinking about whether to move mysql to mariadb or postgres :p
2013-03-18T08:39:57  <Bahhumbug> Oracle was talking about perhaps maintaining the fedora mysql packages but wtf trusts Oracle?
2013-03-18T08:40:02  <sdodson> aestetix_: do you want o be able to hire a dba or do it yourself?
2013-03-18T08:40:15  <aestetix_> sdodson: I do most of that stuff mysql.
2013-03-18T08:40:20  <aestetix_> er, myself
2013-03-18T08:40:30  <aestetix_> But it's useful to have a guiding dba in case something goes wrong
2013-03-18T08:40:59  * Bahhumbug heads off to find breakfast.
2013-03-18T08:41:09  <aestetix_> sdodson: why do you ask?
2013-03-18T08:41:25  <sdodson> aestetix_: Because it's far easier to hire MySQL talent than it is Postgres.
2013-03-18T08:41:33  <aestetix_> Hmmm.
2013-03-18T08:41:37  <aestetix_> That's a good point.
2013-03-18T08:41:45  <aestetix_> How similar is MySQLQ to MariaDB?
2013-03-18T08:42:04  <sdodson> There's a few millian people in India who are certified MySQL DBAs.
2013-03-18T08:42:06  <aestetix_> IE would a mysql dba be able to navigate mariadb?
2013-03-18T08:42:10  <sdodson> AFAIK it's a drop in replacement.
2013-03-18T08:42:17  <wilpig> ^
2013-03-18T08:42:27  <wilpig> from what I was reading it's a binary swap
2013-03-18T08:42:33  <aestetix_> So it's basically mysql with performance improvements, bugfixes, etc?
2013-03-18T08:42:38  <sdodson> like down to being binary compatible with the db during migration.
2013-03-18T08:42:40  <sdodson> Yes.
2013-03-18T08:42:55  <sdodson> MySQL + fixes - Oracle.
2013-03-18T08:42:59  <aestetix_> haha
2013-03-18T08:43:14  <aestetix_> everyone in the bay area swears by postgres
2013-03-18T08:43:27  <aestetix_> that said, nobdoy outside of the bay area seems to know what postgres is
2013-03-18T08:44:34  <aestetix_> sdodson: do you know the difference between mariabdb and xtradb?
2013-03-18T08:44:41  <aestetix_> I think the latter is percona's db...
2013-03-18T08:53:28  <frsilent> I thought mariadb was basically mysql 6.0
2013-03-18T08:53:41  <frsilent> made by the latter's old developers
2013-03-18T09:00:25  <frsilent> lol antec http://store.antec.com/catalog/AddToCart.aspx?sku1=0-761345-15238-9&sku2=ARTPAN-GW207
2013-03-18T09:14:18  <wilpig> server error?
2013-03-18T09:20:55  <frsilent> bad code
2013-03-18T09:21:29  <wilpig> .net what do you expect?
2013-03-18T09:21:36  <frsilent> my thoughts exactly
2013-03-18T09:21:53  <aestetix_> so
2013-03-18T09:22:00  <aestetix_> weev might be going to jail today
2013-03-18T09:22:01  <wilpig> that's like pointing at a stop sign and saying "someone's eventually gonna not stop"
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2013-03-18T09:40:36  <aestetix_> you know what i hate
2013-03-18T09:40:44  <aestetix_> one character typos that prevent a script from working
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2013-03-18T16:30:46  <Synx|hm> You guys ever seen a computer slow to a halt with nothing really using the CPU in windows
2013-03-18T16:30:49  <Synx|hm> ?
2013-03-18T16:30:56  <Synx|hm> I may have just encountered it in spinrite too
2013-03-18T16:31:04  <Synx|hm> going to run a memtest and then try spinrite again
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2013-03-18T17:23:48  <wilpig> Synx|hm: check the system log and see if it has an errors there
2013-03-18T17:24:00  <wilpig> i've seen shit like that when HDs decide to die
2013-03-18T17:29:35  <Synx|hm> ya
2013-03-18T17:30:03  <Synx|hm> need to do that trying to image the hd first, but FOG says its complete and left me with a 8GB file, no way thats the full image
2013-03-18T17:30:12  <Synx|hm> looks like ill have to run spinrite all night and see where we get
2013-03-18T17:30:16  <Synx|hm> maybe time for an ssd
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2013-03-18T20:58:31  <Dagmar> Umm... no.
2013-03-18T20:58:37  <Dagmar> Spinrite?  Just... no.
2013-03-18T20:59:02  <Dagmar> put smartctl to use.  Tell it to run the long offline test.
2013-03-18T22:37:02  <aestetix_> vagina