2013-01-31T00:25:10 You hate a dream? 2013-01-31T00:25:15 Why? What did the dream do to you? 2013-01-31T00:28:09 *** sync|Win8 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-01-31T00:35:08 vagina 2013-01-31T00:36:31 wilpig: The new Kevin Bacon show, The Following, has potential. 2013-01-31T00:38:53 * sdodson slaps Synx|hm with a large trout 2013-01-31T00:39:22 Bahhumbug: thank you I've been telling him that 2013-01-31T00:40:13 dsds 2013-01-31T00:40:19 err, sorry 2013-01-31T00:44:34 Ricky Gervais' new show isn't bad either 2013-01-31T01:14:44 *** Bahhumbug has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2013-01-31T01:51:08 *** Bahhumbug has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T01:51:08 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Bahhumbug 2013-01-31T02:14:44 *** vaneck has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2013-01-31T02:15:36 Bahhumbug: yeah LastChild has been telling me to watch it as he said. I've been a slacking fuck and not done it 2013-01-31T02:16:12 *** vaneck has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T02:22:12 I was quite surprised by it. It's Kevin Bacon so I didn't go into it expecting much of anything, really. But it was _really_ good. I've only watched the pilot but I'm very much looking forward to this past Monday's episode when I can get around to it. 2013-01-31T02:28:21 *** Iyeman has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2013-01-31T02:41:09 https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7 2013-01-31T02:41:11 Title: Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government (at petitions.whitehouse.gov) 2013-01-31T02:41:27 so apparently over 50k people have already signed this petition in just a week 2013-01-31T02:50:21 I think this is one of the more pointless petitions on whitehouse.gov. I don't see the Librarian of Congress changing his ruling. 2013-01-31T02:50:55 actually 2013-01-31T02:50:57 he can't 2013-01-31T02:51:11 but, bringing awareness to the issue is all i'm hoping for 2013-01-31T02:51:39 * Bahhumbug shrugs 2013-01-31T02:51:51 He made the ruling. Why can't he unmake it? 2013-01-31T02:52:12 (No, I have no idea at all of the procedures / policies behind such an act. Nor do I really care enough to go read up on it.) 2013-01-31T02:59:01 he can only declare rules for 3 year cycles 2013-01-31T02:59:28 he (if it is a he now, was a she for a while) is only able to start/stop them once every 3 years 2013-01-31T03:02:15 Ahh. Ok so it's even more pointless of a petition then. Gotcha. 2013-01-31T03:02:35 I wish people would not misuse that site the way they do. 2013-01-31T03:02:45 There are so many frivilous petitions on there :/ 2013-01-31T03:02:58 Not necessarily this one, as it is bringing an issue to light. 2013-01-31T03:03:03 But still... 2013-01-31T03:03:29 The secession petitions were a prime example of what I mean. 2013-01-31T03:05:24 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-31T04:24:58 *** LstChld has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T04:26:15 *** LastChild has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-01-31T04:30:13 *** LstChld is now known as LastChild 2013-01-31T04:30:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o LastChild 2013-01-31T05:57:00 *** LastChild has quit IRC (Quit: and the monkey flips the switch) 2013-01-31T06:05:05 oh this is pretty nifty 2013-01-31T06:05:12 yup yup 2013-01-31T06:16:19 Ok then. 2013-01-31T07:09:22 dolemite is hiding this morning. wise move on his part 2013-01-31T07:32:13 *** Iyeman has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T07:41:02 *** Iyeman has quit IRC (Quit: Bye) 2013-01-31T07:41:17 *** Iyeman has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T07:41:28 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Iyeman 2013-01-31T07:56:11 *** Dolemite has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T07:56:11 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dolemite 2013-01-31T07:56:20 mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 2013-01-31T08:03:12 * Dolemite pokes the Wilpig 2013-01-31T08:04:27 oh, well. I'm off to Charlotte for the next 3 days. Later, kids! 2013-01-31T08:04:35 *** Dolemite has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2013-01-31T08:16:06 son of a bitch! 2013-01-31T08:16:11 I missed the fucker 2013-01-31T08:17:51 *** CNwaV has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T08:20:48 He's hiding from you in Charlotte. 2013-01-31T08:21:09 You absolutely should drive over there and call him out on his use of printf. 2013-01-31T08:47:52 *** Synx|hm has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2013-01-31T09:00:33 blahrarhhaghafh 2013-01-31T09:00:46 Indeed 2013-01-31T09:01:55 at least I work near centennial park, nothing to work against around my house. Everything's too high level :P 2013-01-31T09:16:09 *** Bahhumbug has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-01-31T09:20:53 *** Bahhumbug has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T09:20:54 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Bahhumbug 2013-01-31T09:42:43 *** Genphlux has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T09:46:50 *** K4k has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T09:46:51 *** K4k has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T09:49:24 *** Bahhumbug has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-31T09:57:08 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T09:57:12 *** Synx|hm is now known as Synx|wk 2013-01-31T10:14:51 There is no such thing as "too high level" 2013-01-31T10:15:32 It's not about taking over everything you see. If you try to do that, you'll be just as out of materials with nothing to show for it as the majority of the people 2013-01-31T10:20:02 Lantizia: Nope. 2013-01-31T10:25:25 Dagmar: let me rephrase, there's not much there that I can actually do much damage too 2013-01-31T10:25:50 You don't need to do damage to 2013-01-31T10:26:00 If you're coming to the meeting tomorrow, I will explain a great deal there 2013-01-31T10:26:01 *** Bahhumbug has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T10:26:02 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Bahhumbug 2013-01-31T10:26:07 and from a quick look at the map (didn't examine closely) nothing that I can actually help with too 2013-01-31T10:26:12 Wrong again. 2013-01-31T10:26:21 No way I can make it, I've been super super super slammed. 2013-01-31T10:26:25 http://ingressfieldguide.com/content/action-points-ap-leveling 2013-01-31T10:26:27 Title: Action Points (AP) & Leveling | Ingress Field Guide (at ingressfieldguide.com) 2013-01-31T10:26:38 THat doesn't explain everything, and it definitely doesn't explain the things I'm about to say but... note the values 2013-01-31T10:26:41 between derby and work, I'm scheduled out for like 5 weeks :P 2013-01-31T10:26:45 yeah I did 2013-01-31T10:26:50 Destroying things yeilds, at best, half the points that building things does 2013-01-31T10:26:59 yeah, I saw that yesterday. 2013-01-31T10:27:12 The game is perpetually in play, so if the only thing people do is blow away portals and take them back, no one gets ahead of anyone else. 2013-01-31T10:27:24 but there's not much around anywhere I'm at on a regular basis that I can change. You took out love circle ;p 2013-01-31T10:27:35 However, the things you do which are *not* just blowing away portals and deploying new resonators make *all* the differnece. 2013-01-31T10:27:38 Keys == points 2013-01-31T10:28:00 You get keys from hacking portals at about a 20-30% drop rate, and they don't make a sound in the activity log 2013-01-31T10:28:23 yeah I've been paying attention to that, I've got two. 2013-01-31T10:28:26 Save keys until you have enough to make a control field, and you don't get just 313 points for each link, you get 1250 EXTRA AP 2013-01-31T10:28:53 I've made like five links that didn't make control fields since I started playing 2013-01-31T10:29:38 So basically, you can get keys at practically any time (although the drop rate seems higher when you knock down an enemy link) and keys are the big source of points next to deploying shields 2013-01-31T10:30:53 yeah, got that.. but they are potential points, not actual, and neither west end nor antioch are exactly friendly to resistance right now. 2013-01-31T10:30:54 The majority of the time you'll just be walking around hacking portals, recharging hte friendly ones, and biding your time. 2013-01-31T10:30:59 ...or in your case, rollerblading around. 2013-01-31T10:31:04 .. 2013-01-31T10:31:07 Oh you're resistance? 2013-01-31T10:31:07 LOL 2013-01-31T10:31:14 did you just imply I rollerblade 2013-01-31T10:31:31 I looked at the map, took the side that seemed like it was getting it's ass beat :D 2013-01-31T10:31:31 If you'd rather do it on foot, that's all you 2013-01-31T10:31:39 They're getting ass-beat for a reason 2013-01-31T10:31:49 nah, it's that rollerblades are for people who can't skate quads. :D 2013-01-31T10:31:53 Thinking things like "I can't hack anything because it's all green" 2013-01-31T10:32:07 ...and "I HAVE TO BLOW UP ALL THE THINGS" 2013-01-31T10:32:14 everything around me is blue :/ 2013-01-31T10:32:35 oh hell no, I've been hitting the nodes in the area like that, but I'm really (cough) green, and limited on time 2013-01-31T10:32:40 well, the control field, not sure where the portals are 2013-01-31T10:33:11 but it's a lil cold for skating right now. 2013-01-31T10:34:16 That's true 2013-01-31T10:34:31 brimstone: www.ingress.com/intel 2013-01-31T10:34:44 portals are toooo far away 2013-01-31T10:34:50 polerin: Keep hacking the portal 2013-01-31T10:34:54 er portals 2013-01-31T10:35:01 yeh. 2013-01-31T10:35:09 polerin: Hell, at low levels you should be glad everything's controlled by the other side 2013-01-31T10:35:17 heh 2013-01-31T10:35:21 100AP per hack is more than I can scrape together without a lot of crap 2013-01-31T10:35:54 I went days and days without making any AP until they added AP for recharging and resonator upgrades. 2013-01-31T10:36:05 ...and it's not even that much AP but it's better htna nothing. 2013-01-31T10:36:14 mostly it is trying to get my feet in the low game, and dislikeing being ineffective. But that's what low levels are in every game anyway 2013-01-31T10:36:22 As a low level player, hoarding keys is even more important because you can remotely recharge resonators if you have the key for that portal 2013-01-31T10:36:37 oh? 2013-01-31T10:36:43 Yes 2013-01-31T10:36:49 10AP each time you push the Recharge button 2013-01-31T10:36:54 that is not apparent in the game 2013-01-31T10:37:02 i'mm push the shit out of some recharge buttons 2013-01-31T10:39:49 If you've not figured this out already, unless your scanner is full of XM when you go somewhere (ANYWHERE) turn that thing on and just leave the phone going in yer pocket when you get in the car 2013-01-31T10:40:10 i fill up before leaving the street when i do that 2013-01-31T10:40:16 If your scanner IS full of XM, then you should be asking yourself if you've checked all your keys to see which things can be charged up 2013-01-31T10:40:59 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T10:41:02 Most people can scrape up four tanks of XM without spending more than about ten minute actively pushing buttons, just from trips to/from work and to/from lunch 2013-01-31T10:42:01 Plus--and this is an incredibly ignored thing--every time you push Recharge, that's going to be 1-3 more bursters the enemy will HAVE to use in order to take that portal away 2013-01-31T10:42:38 Consideirng how much XM you soak up from just coming up on a new portal, compare that to how much you could possibly get from hacking it 2013-01-31T10:43:07 Think of recharging as "anti-bursters" and it becomes easier to see how the side that IS recharging things will quickly start kickiing the asses of the side that isn't. 2013-01-31T10:43:11 oh I figured that out before I even got the new phone that let me actually... PLAY 2013-01-31T10:43:14 They start to win on a materials surplus 2013-01-31T10:43:35 For my part I was really taking advantage of the blue laziness 2013-01-31T10:43:37 my g2 was.. borked 2013-01-31T10:43:54 do you share the same account on multiple devices? 2013-01-31T10:43:56 I wouldn't hit anything that wasn't at least half-discharged 2013-01-31T10:43:59 yeah, I got that even earlier 2013-01-31T10:44:18 You can play on multiple devices, but more than one at the same time might cause "issues" 2013-01-31T10:44:26 That could certainly be exploited 2013-01-31T10:45:03 I could stash used phones with wifi around key parts of vandy and have nearly unlimited XM at my disposal if that were allowed 2013-01-31T10:47:23 Jesus 2013-01-31T10:47:28 Fuck these TLD registrars 2013-01-31T10:47:30 Goddamn whores 2013-01-31T10:57:17 Somewhere there has to be a place to start a fucking investigation on this .name registration which is very much not a fucking persons name 2013-01-31T10:57:26 Dagmar: nah, the g2 is gone now. I just had to get a new phone. 2013-01-31T11:00:04 The round of gtlds where they got .name created I was UNDER THE IMPRESSION was granted because they purported to be enforcing the "persons name" restriction 2013-01-31T11:00:07 Clearly this isn't happening 2013-01-31T11:02:46 We should look into applying for .bullshit 2013-01-31T11:03:08 .herpies 2013-01-31T11:03:15 Or better yet, .stupidlandrush 2013-01-31T11:03:40 Something that might piss off and embarrass ICANN into acutally enforcing this shit 2013-01-31T11:07:21 I want a .moonbase 2013-01-31T11:09:51 I'm wasting hte time of a remote support rep for Verisign now 2013-01-31T11:10:18 I am really tired of seeing DNS abused like this 2013-01-31T11:11:28 *** x86Daddy has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T11:30:48 *** Synx|wk_ has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T11:33:57 *** Synx|wk has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-01-31T11:35:46 *** Synx|wk has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T11:39:09 *** Synx|wk_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-01-31T11:44:48 Hardware usb drive encryption worth the extra $? 2013-01-31T11:45:07 Depends on if you're not smart enough to figure out TrueCrypt 2013-01-31T11:46:02 that was my next question. not super familiar with truecrypt 2013-01-31T11:46:14 ZaDeaux: find whitepapers where they explain which encryption they use 2013-01-31T11:46:23 if you can't, i wouldn't spend the money on it 2013-01-31T11:48:57 truecrypt it is 2013-01-31T11:50:36 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-01-31T11:51:05 Well, you can either fucking learn about TrueCrypt, or you can spend money on hardware protection you still won't know fuck all about. 2013-01-31T11:51:47 *** ZeroMinuS|AFK has quit IRC (Quit: ( www.nnscript.com :: NoNameScript 4.22 :: www.esnation.com )) 2013-01-31T11:52:24 familiar enough with several encryption packages.. but mainly on the corporate side of things like bitlocker and mcafee where key management is done for you in a way 2013-01-31T11:54:04 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T11:54:16 not like I'm running a mcafee ePO in my house with endpoint encryption 2013-01-31T11:57:43 *** [1]CNwaV <[1]CNwaV!~CNwaV@68.208.149.253> has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T11:58:42 So you had a salesperson come and explain to you how they work? 2013-01-31T11:58:54 Let's just skip ahead a few steps 2013-01-31T11:59:06 Don't deploy things you don't understand properly. 2013-01-31T11:59:16 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-31T11:59:16 *** [1]CNwaV is now known as CNwaV 2013-01-31T11:59:40 wut? 2013-01-31T11:59:43 ...and never listen to a fucking thing a salesperson tells you unless it's a accompanied by a sizeable acceptance of liability agreement holding htem responsible if the mechanism fails. 2013-01-31T12:00:32 pretty passionate about this I see 2013-01-31T12:00:38 *** Synx|wk has left #se2600 2013-01-31T12:01:37 Odd. I think BitchX just dropped some lines from the buffer 2013-01-31T12:02:00 (repeating) ...and never listen to a fucking thing a salesperson tells you unless it's a accompanied by a sizeable acceptance of liability agreement holding them responsible if the mechanism fails. 2013-01-31T12:02:06 got that one 2013-01-31T12:03:21 *** Zero-|Work has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T12:04:06 pretty passionate about this I see (just in case it dropped that one) 2013-01-31T12:04:31 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T12:05:07 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-31T12:05:15 thankfully I don't know enough about either of the forementioned products to deploy them in an enterprise. I'd hate to be an ePO guy 2013-01-31T12:05:32 sorry if any of you are ePO guys 2013-01-31T12:06:59 can't wait for yubico and google to make their annoucement in the next few days! 2013-01-31T12:07:04 *** Synx|hm is now known as Synx|wk 2013-01-31T12:07:46 Synx: Are we finally going to be able to get yubikeys for login? 2013-01-31T12:07:55 I'm not talking about the thumbdrive with Chrome in it 2013-01-31T12:08:36 Dagmar: google is working on some new way to do single signon with yubikeys in a new and innovative way 2013-01-31T12:09:02 Dagmar: i think its going to be a modification of the firmware on the NEO key so NFC!!, but you'll have to get a new key from them 2013-01-31T12:09:14 i've got a non NFC on that i use with LastPass 2013-01-31T12:09:22 ZaDeaux: Literally millions of people are misusing cryptography because they're too lazy to look at what they're doing and marketing departments are far too quick to slap a lock icon onto something along with a premium price and declare "OOO IT R SEKURE!" 2013-01-31T12:09:29 http://www.yubico.com/blog/ 2013-01-31T12:09:30 Title: Yubico (at www.yubico.com) 2013-01-31T12:09:55 Synx: At the moment I wouldn't touch NFC for something like that. It would be the weak link. 2013-01-31T12:10:53 If they're about to start selling anonymous hard tokens, that'll be pretty good 2013-01-31T12:11:02 Dagmar: i understand your concern, heres my thinking... if you have physical access to someones yubikey well then you have physical access so you could plug it in and generate the OTP, NFC is designed to severly limit range and in application we are talking inches maybe even less 2013-01-31T12:11:05 We'll just have to find grey market places to buy them tho 2013-01-31T12:11:07 Dagmar: I agree with you on that 2013-01-31T12:11:19 Sync: 1. Cantennas 2013-01-31T12:11:34 meeting tomorrow still a go? 2013-01-31T12:11:45 2. How the fuck does NFC offer anything over _physical control of the token_ 2013-01-31T12:11:50 peacebyfire: Always 2013-01-31T12:11:55 Dagmar: i think thats where they are going, Stina of Yubico says she wants you to be able to go to 711 and get a token that in that case would then be anon 2013-01-31T12:12:04 dagmar: just making sure 2013-01-31T12:12:12 Unless you hear us yelling "WINTERGEDDON IN PROGRESS. RUN AWAY." on the mailing list they'll always be on 2013-01-31T12:12:30 Synx: Problem there is 7-11 and Walgreen's both video record 2013-01-31T12:12:38 Dagmar: you have any whitepapers on NFC and external antennas? Its useful in that you can use it on your cell too!! 2013-01-31T12:12:48 They're also persnickety about letting you buy VISA gift cards with cash. 2013-01-31T12:13:05 Synx: There was a rather nice one from Blackhat you should read 2013-01-31T12:13:12 ya, its a pipe dream in our civilization but at least its a step in the right direction 2013-01-31T12:13:23 the se2600 mailing list is still around? 2013-01-31T12:13:28 Took me fucking ages to get a clean burner phone 2013-01-31T12:13:32 pay a homeless guy to pay a kid to pay another homeless guy to go into the 711 and get me my token 2013-01-31T12:13:52 Gotta sit on the fucking things for six months to be reasonably sure the video rolled off 2013-01-31T12:14:03 ZaDeaux: Yes 2013-01-31T12:14:15 Occasionally I even read it 2013-01-31T12:14:44 Synx: The main problem I have is unless this token is like, immortal, it can be lost. 2013-01-31T12:14:50 Dagmar: haha, i 100% believe the gov knows exactly what communication devices we are using no matter how hard we try to be sneaky 2013-01-31T12:15:09 So these identities tied to tokens may have an annoyingly finite lifespan 2013-01-31T12:15:32 Synx: Dude, this is exactly why I got a burner 2013-01-31T12:15:38 I don't need a _reason_ to have it. 2013-01-31T12:15:48 just that it was a major bitch to get 2013-01-31T12:15:55 Dagmar: thats the real issue i have too, and like that Mat Honn (sp?) hack, we all know its not the passwords/2factor that is the weaklink, its the f'ing 'password reminders/security questions' and the social engineering over the phone with companies like apple and amazon that is the weak link 2013-01-31T12:16:19 Doesn't even really matter if I say "I have a phone that can't be traced to me" because well, it can't be traced to me 2013-01-31T12:16:39 ;) 2013-01-31T12:17:04 Good for one use otherwise it should be obvious that it'll be leaving a trial of data of it's own 2013-01-31T12:17:29 s/trial/trail/ 2013-01-31T12:17:53 Synx: Oh and the homeless might be unreliable witnesses in court, they also bribe real easy 2013-01-31T12:18:13 Probably not a good idea to use 'em as temps 2013-01-31T12:18:57 true true 2013-01-31T12:19:06 Dagmar, quick Ingress question. For large parts of the game, you physically need to be somewhere, right? 2013-01-31T12:19:16 Yes. 2013-01-31T12:19:22 Why not use the android emulator that allows you to spoof gps? 2013-01-31T12:19:23 *** x86Daddy has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-01-31T12:19:30 GPS spoofing is doable, but lame as fuck because it breaks everything 2013-01-31T12:19:33 they're not stable 2013-01-31T12:19:34 fair enough 2013-01-31T12:19:49 If you can GPS spoof the entire game becomes pointless and trivial. 2013-01-31T12:20:07 yeah, that was kinda my point 2013-01-31T12:20:32 so you don't do it, because it's less fun that way 2013-01-31T12:20:55 they still tringulate signal 2013-01-31T12:21:02 The game literally collapses 2013-01-31T12:21:10 it doesn't just become less fun, it becomes meaningless 2013-01-31T12:21:15 oh shit, i didn't see you are tlaking about ingress 2013-01-31T12:21:18 disregard 2013-01-31T12:21:38 Sync: Yeah I *could* GPS spoof and so could RangerZ, but everything's value is based on time and travel 2013-01-31T12:22:02 If you can warp around instantaneously or simply even be anywhere with zero effort expended, the entire everything comes right apart 2013-01-31T12:22:17 Dagmar: ya i thought you were still talking about being untraceable, disregard 2013-01-31T12:22:29 Synx: That's why you use the phone once and only once. 2013-01-31T12:22:40 It's _assumed_ the thing can be tracked. 2013-01-31T12:22:47 ya 2013-01-31T12:22:50 Use once, discard reasonably securely. 2013-01-31T12:23:02 Keep off and battery out at all other times 2013-01-31T12:23:14 lunch times 2013-01-31T12:26:37 Dagmar: gotta run too, but i cant find anything on NFC and cantenna, also while an understandable issue, how big of a deal is it really, thats the point of the token, it generrates a OTP that is useless after one use, so long as its the 2nd factor and not the only factor, i guess if an attacker knew your 1st factor and just sat across from you in starbucks with a cantenna they could keep pulling your token for the 2nd factor 2013-01-31T12:26:54 but that attack exists just the same on any computer without NFC 2013-01-31T12:27:12 off to lunch, ill re-engage with you when i get back, this is very interesting to me 2013-01-31T12:30:01 *** CNwaV has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T12:34:28 anyone here go to the atlanta 2600 meeting in lenox? 2013-01-31T12:41:25 not I butI like that area. Is there usually a good turnout? 2013-01-31T12:46:08 didn't think anyone went 2013-01-31T12:48:52 dc404 seems pretty hoppin' it could be that 2600 in atlanta went that way 2013-01-31T13:56:04 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-31T14:02:35 Dagmar: im back, care to continue discussion on NFC as it relates to OTP tokens 2013-01-31T14:31:38 *** CNwaV has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T14:36:13 I'm not worried about the OTP tokens so much as I am about the sudden burst of attention to NFC at the present time 2013-01-31T14:36:35 Honestly the fuzzing attempt in the Blackhat presentation should not have resulted in as many failures as it did. 2013-01-31T14:37:09 Whether or not they're obviously exploitable barely matters over the fact that the crashes make it obvious the code needs more auditing 2013-01-31T14:37:36 If it were written with the same mindset that airplane controls are made with, it couldn't crash 2013-01-31T14:38:18 We're too likely to see an actual exploitable vulnerability turn up to go 'round yelling "HEY EVERYONE LET'S TURN ON NFC FOR EVERYTHING" 2013-01-31T14:38:36 NFC is a very good idea, but the acutal implementations are just all over the place stilll 2013-01-31T14:42:53 ya i agree 2013-01-31T14:43:09 google walet skimming makes me very nervous 2013-01-31T14:43:16 wallet 2013-01-31T14:44:12 At least the majority of the NFC-capable devices are newer ones where Google has been making it clear to vendors that if they fuck around about updates, Google will call them to the mat over it 2013-01-31T14:44:32 ya 2013-01-31T14:44:40 wonder if thats why wallet wont install on my note2 2013-01-31T14:44:55 well there are ways to install/use it but its not supported by google 2013-01-31T14:45:03 Could be 2013-01-31T14:45:43 I don't even want to draw attention to it right now because little things like that are hinting to me that Google may know something (which means they're working on fixing it) about specific vendor's implementations 2013-01-31T14:46:13 ya like the exnyos gaping security hole!?!?!?! 2013-01-31T14:47:20 Yes. 2013-01-31T14:47:29 ...although maybe not quite that eye-watering 2013-01-31T14:47:42 It's more likely they found some exploitable surfaces in the NFC hardware drivers 2013-01-31T14:47:58 Thats where things get dangerously sensitive 2013-01-31T14:48:18 They can't easily just push out an application-level update through Google Play to fix thta 2013-01-31T14:49:04 ya 2013-01-31T14:51:30 Cell vendors are giant shits, but as long as none of the NFc issues come to a head _just this minute_ there's still a change Google can continue convicing the companies to acutally do more updates 2013-01-31T14:53:17 you seem to have quite the wealth of knowledge on this ;) 2013-01-31T14:56:49 you listen to SecurityNow on TWIT? 2013-01-31T14:57:04 lol 2013-01-31T14:58:19 que? 2013-01-31T15:02:06 welp. I'm quickly discovering that it's really annoying to be low level and not have keys. XD 2013-01-31T15:02:15 I'm watching shit get torn up in the vandy area. 2013-01-31T15:06:14 yeah, NFC stuff makes me sorta nervious. :P 2013-01-31T15:10:04 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-01-31T15:10:39 *** x86Daddy has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T15:12:09 *** Synx|wk has left #se2600 2013-01-31T15:12:12 *** Synx|wk has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T15:12:45 my contacts are really bugging me today, they keep rotating around and things keep going out of focus 2013-01-31T15:24:16 Dagmar: Google will call vendors to the mat for sitting on updates? When are they going to start yelling at ATT? 2013-01-31T15:30:42 They've already been pushing back against those vendors as it is 2013-01-31T15:31:00 That's part of why they finally went back to saying "Eff you guys--we're just going to sell phones straight to users again 2013-01-31T15:35:19 and why most of the google apps appeared in the market 2013-01-31T15:48:27 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T15:50:49 damn it! how did i get insurance added to my cell bill for my note2 2013-01-31T15:50:57 those fucker are always sneaking shit on to the bill 2013-01-31T15:52:26 If you're on contract still it's probably something they justified based on the fact that technically they still own part of the phone 2013-01-31T15:52:56 ...like a bank requiring heavy insurance on a home used as collateral for it's own mortgage 2013-01-31T15:53:53 *** benthemeek has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T15:53:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o benthemeek 2013-01-31T15:54:37 however they try to justify it, its not right, if i drop the thing i dont get to walk away and say your loss Sprint 2013-01-31T15:56:34 i still have to either buy a new phone or pay their ETF or pay for a contract without a phone 2013-01-31T15:56:37 shrug 2013-01-31T16:01:48 Then what's the insurance for, exactly? 2013-01-31T16:02:03 What were they supposedly insuring? 2013-01-31T16:02:35 the 3rd party would get me a replacement for a fee, i think its $50 or similar 2013-01-31T16:02:49 have you ever had to deal with cell phone insurance, i made that mistake one 2013-01-31T16:03:13 vagina 2013-01-31T16:03:31 <_< 2013-01-31T16:03:32 >_> 2013-01-31T16:03:37 I don't generally gamble like that. 2013-01-31T16:03:45 aestetix, where? 2013-01-31T16:03:57 So basically, they set up an insurance policy on the phone without telling you. 2013-01-31T16:04:01 Lame but probably legal. 2013-01-31T16:04:13 i've got enough savings to cover a new phone if i do something stupid, id rather not deal with assureon or what ever their name is 2013-01-31T16:04:23 I never do anything crazy to break my phones 2013-01-31T16:04:25 Dagmar: well ya, one that i was paying for 2013-01-31T16:04:45 Hence, I ignore the policy unless they're talking about theft insurance or something 2013-01-31T16:05:14 I figure the police report will probably be enough of a hassle if someone tries to mug me for the phone and doesn't handle things "just so" 2013-01-31T16:05:50 so you do have insurance on your phone? 2013-01-31T16:05:55 "Majority of broken cell phone was lodged in attempted perpetrators neck. Contact Baptist Hospital to reclaim." 2013-01-31T16:06:16 i'm really starting to wish i hadn't subsidized (spelling?) this note2, i hate being stuck in contracts 2013-01-31T16:06:18 If I htink they're being cool about it, I'll give the phone 2013-01-31T16:06:28 haha 2013-01-31T16:06:29 If I think they're being amateurish and stupid, well... I don't deal with amateurs well. 2013-01-31T16:06:51 I'll either throw the phone into a storm drain, or smash it and then stab them with the pieces 2013-01-31T16:07:14 id probably just wimper and hand it over 2013-01-31T16:09:36 The last time I was "successfully" mugged I gave the guy the $23 from my wallet with my blessing. 2013-01-31T16:09:45 He wanted to take the rest of the wallet. 2013-01-31T16:10:07 I calmly explained that nothing else in there would do him any good, and he would have to be watching his back in this town for the rest of his life. 2013-01-31T16:10:30 I was having a really shitty night and was mainly hoping HE could have fun with the money because it wasn't doing me any good. 2013-01-31T16:10:43 haha 2013-01-31T16:10:51 I would have been just as fine with grabbing him by the throat and literally biting his face right off his skull. 2013-01-31T16:11:06 bathsalts much? 2013-01-31T16:11:23 I was like 'Pay bills, buy beer, do whatever makes you happy man. No crime even took place here because this is my gift to you. You clearly need it." 2013-01-31T16:11:37 ...but I was totally ready to just murder him. 2013-01-31T16:11:48 I have "moods" sometimes. 2013-01-31T16:12:16 I don't need bath salts to be a psycho 2013-01-31T16:13:07 ya i feel ya, i can get the same way, but im not scary looking at all, and have zero ninja skills 2013-01-31T16:15:00 At the time I was still going clubbing five nights a week 2013-01-31T16:15:22 If there had been an "incident" I probably would have beat him against a wall like a stick 2013-01-31T16:15:32 i'm not as scary looking as I used to be, but I can still make green hills mall residents inch away from me 2013-01-31T16:17:33 and as a bonus, my legs are strong enough now that I can do squats while carrying someone else XD 2013-01-31T16:18:53 :) 2013-01-31T16:20:24 skating ~10 hours a week and lifting twice a week has it's benefits 2013-01-31T16:20:24 heh 2013-01-31T16:20:36 Yep 2013-01-31T16:20:57 drinking 7 nights a week has it downsides 2013-01-31T16:21:21 If I tried that with squats my knees would make a noise like a dog chewing gristle and I'd need an ambulance. 2013-01-31T16:21:39 Good thing I prefer crescent kicsk 2013-01-31T16:23:41 *** Synx|wk is now known as Synx|afk 2013-01-31T16:27:24 *** sasquatc3 has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T16:27:24 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sasquatc3 2013-01-31T16:29:53 *** sasquatc4 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-01-31T16:37:08 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-01-31T16:40:51 *** Synx|afk has left #se2600 2013-01-31T16:41:51 The Hill reported in 1997 that Jackson Lee had asked NASA officials whether the Mars Pathfinder photographed the U.S. flag that Neil Armstrong had planted on Mars. When this incident was reported, her chief of staff wrote a letter to the editor suggesting that it had been racist to point out the congresswoman's error. 2013-01-31T16:42:34 stupidity and ignorance know all races equally well 2013-01-31T16:44:30 yep. I remember that 2013-01-31T16:44:43 Lady was the kind of dumb that transcends mere skin color 2013-01-31T16:51:22 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T16:58:33 *** [1]CNwaV <[1]CNwaV!~CNwaV@68.208.149.253> has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T17:00:34 *** Zero-|Work has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2013-01-31T17:01:08 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-31T17:03:47 *** [1]CNwaV <[1]CNwaV!~CNwaV@68.208.149.253> has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-31T17:16:03 *** K4k has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2) 2013-01-31T17:16:45 *** K4k has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T17:16:45 *** K4k has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T17:38:47 *** CNwaV has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T17:40:53 *** K4k has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.9.2) 2013-01-31T17:44:30 *** [1]CNwaV <[1]CNwaV!~CNwaV@216.59.46.254> has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T17:47:42 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) 2013-01-31T17:47:42 *** [1]CNwaV is now known as CNwaV 2013-01-31T18:10:07 *** Synx|hm has joined #se2600 2013-01-31T18:17:40 *** Genphlux has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-01-31T18:20:15 ugh, so happy this is my last night in the apartment, flying people on the 3rd floor above me think its cool to let their kids play basket ball 2013-01-31T18:20:26 at least thats what it sounds like 2013-01-31T18:20:39 at least it stops around 10 2013-01-31T18:22:39 *** x86Daddy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2013-01-31T18:30:37 *** benthemeek has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2013-01-31T18:50:46 http://pornharms.com/mim/oprahs-network-supporting-bdsm-lifestyle/ 2013-01-31T18:50:49 Title: ACTION: Oprahs Network Telling Women To Accept Violent, Torturous Sex Culture (at pornharms.com) 2013-01-31T18:52:16 I need a new gigabit switch, one that can handle a VLAN trunk from ESX and that i can assign ports to those specific VLANS, at this point i dont think i need one that can do inter-vlan routing becauase i will have pfsense do that 2013-01-31T18:52:32 also needs to either be fanless or very quite, and support link aggregation 2013-01-31T18:52:52 jumbo frames on the vlan would be really nice too 2013-01-31T18:54:42 i was thinking a HP Procurve 1810g in either 16 or 24 ports, but its been discontinued and i think there were some issues with jumbo frames in combination with vlans 2013-01-31T18:55:57 oh and rackable 2013-01-31T19:01:41 The new netgear 10G stuff looks promising.. around $125 to $175 per port 2013-01-31T19:01:49 ... if you want to move to 10g 2013-01-31T19:03:56