2013-01-24T00:10:02 Dagmar: just fix the website for them 2013-01-24T00:10:14 I mean, not in an "official" capacity:) 2013-01-24T00:10:21 dude has a major capacity problem 2013-01-24T00:12:03 no, I mean fix the lu site 2013-01-24T00:13:32 I'll dig around if I get a chance and look into decoding the info. Right now I'm starting on retraining brian. 2013-01-24T00:15:34 wait 2013-01-24T00:15:41 how can you be an MCSE and never have insetalled windows 2013-01-24T00:15:59 Because you passed a test. 2013-01-24T00:17:25 Brain. Melting. 2013-01-24T00:18:32 Same way I can have an english degree and not be able to construct a properly formated grameticly correct scentence with no errors such as comma, splices, run on, or, #3, avoiding cliches like the plague. 2013-01-24T00:20:11 first hotmail and now I've been forced to accept a "new" myspace. Don't these people remember Coke "Classic?" Did we learn nothing? 2013-01-24T00:20:26 You don't have to accept myspace 2013-01-24T00:20:32 I've been entirely ignoring it 2013-01-24T00:20:40 can you still log into myspace with facebook? 2013-01-24T00:20:43 All the smart people are on G+ 2013-01-24T00:20:50 Dagmar: even you? 2013-01-24T00:21:00 Yes 2013-01-24T00:21:09 Wow, they fixed your thing? 2013-01-24T00:21:16 Yes 2013-01-24T00:21:21 Finally. 2013-01-24T00:21:36 How long did it take? 2013-01-24T00:21:38 Pretty much exactly because there are some of us looney enough to be using our 'nyms everywhere 2013-01-24T00:21:53 Took about a month and a half I think 2013-01-24T00:21:54 and google still won't let me have notlarry@gmail.com. 2013-01-24T00:22:18 Thousands of people know the name Dagmar d'Surreal 2013-01-24T00:22:20 Dagmar: did you have productive email exchange? 2013-01-24T00:22:20 Dagmar: I know, that is why I'm on myspace 2013-01-24T00:22:39 aestetix: Not really. I didn't get anythig but form letters back from them 2013-01-24T00:22:48 It just cleared up about the time the EFF started leaning on them hard 2013-01-24T00:22:48 Dagmar: my exchange was so backwards that I'm curious if their process has improved 2013-01-24T00:23:28 I didnt' even get the benefit of something that you could call an "exchange" 2013-01-24T00:23:51 I think they still have the account locked from when I created my google account "in the day. 2013-01-24T00:23:58 I got a warning with a time limit and a demand for proof, and got my G+ suspended before the deadline was even up 2013-01-24T00:24:21 I got *one* other email from them about it 2013-01-24T00:24:27 Huh. 2013-01-24T00:24:31 Did they just give up? 2013-01-24T00:24:48 I think they realized the lady from the EFF was about to give them a *major* black eye over it 2013-01-24T00:24:52 Heh. 2013-01-24T00:24:58 Do you know offhand who from EFF it was? 2013-01-24T00:25:04 I mean, they make their money because they understand the internet well 2013-01-24T00:25:04 That or one of you has spent the last 9 years keeping notlarry@gmail active just to fuck with me. Which I can totally apreciate. 2013-01-24T00:25:20 Started with a J I think. I thought you were the one who gave me her name 2013-01-24T00:25:25 Oh, got it. 2013-01-24T00:25:30 Yeah, I know who it was. Cool. 2013-01-24T00:26:03 Ignoring all this completely rational stuff about safety and persistent psuedonyms and anonymity being a wholly different animal was about to make them look incredibly bad 2013-01-24T00:26:45 Oh, that's ok. 2013-01-24T00:26:50 Frankly I think we should just start teaching kids to build a persistent online identity 2013-01-24T00:26:52 All their recent moves are also making them look bad. 2013-01-24T00:27:16 Dagmar: I've been trying. 2013-01-24T00:27:34 yer kids have been sticking with their nyms for awhile tho I thought 2013-01-24T00:28:02 That all the separation we really need 2013-01-24T00:28:24 Something that's online but just doesn't lead straight back to paychecks and a body 2013-01-24T00:28:25 Until facebook they kept the two realities seprate 2013-01-24T00:28:39 Now they have two identities online. 2013-01-24T00:28:46 Well, actually in come cases more. 2013-01-24T00:28:59 More is normal 2013-01-24T00:29:22 Most kids don't start to see the use in a persistent online identity until they've migrated from one forum to another a few times and start losing track of people 2013-01-24T00:31:20 Having to have a list of half a dozen names just to reach ONE guy on as many gaming networks... that makes it obvious 2013-01-24T00:31:55 aestetix: I learned a lesson this last week you'll find amusing 2013-01-24T00:31:56 so, if I just created a gmail account with the name Dagmar d'Surreal, how long before google shuts it off? 2013-01-24T00:32:15 Around "normal" co-workers, do not use phrases like "emergent property" and "collective intelligence" 2013-01-24T00:32:24 seriously 2013-01-24T00:32:31 It's not Google you should be afraid of. 2013-01-24T00:32:47 NotLarry: the subject of Anonymous came up at lunch last week 2013-01-24T00:32:53 People looked at me like I'd grown another head 2013-01-24T00:32:58 They get a funny look in their eyes. 2013-01-24T00:33:19 I mean fuck we've only been reading about the possibility of these things for like 20 years 2013-01-24T00:33:21 those who can not be named 2013-01-24T00:33:33 I don't see a big problem with pointing and going "Hey look, one exissts now" 2013-01-24T00:33:53 no, you have been reading about them, your coworkers have been studying for those tests that let them get those handy certs 2013-01-24T00:34:07 No largely they've been worrying about them 2013-01-24T00:34:11 They don't understand 2013-01-24T00:34:17 about anonymous? 2013-01-24T00:34:21 yes. 2013-01-24T00:34:26 They dont' get it 2013-01-24T00:34:32 tell them it is an ftp username and not to worry about it. 2013-01-24T00:34:38 They've got it in their heads as some kind of an organization 2013-01-24T00:34:55 It's almost entirely the opposite 2013-01-24T00:35:00 Tell them they don't really have to put in their real email address at the password prompt, it is more of a recomendation than a rule. 2013-01-24T00:35:30 hehe 2013-01-24T00:37:11 I think I got to see facetime on the iphone5 last week. 2013-01-24T00:37:27 *snicker* 2013-01-24T00:37:36 You know you can just *do* that with a googlephone 2013-01-24T00:37:50 Android plus wifi plus Google Talk 2013-01-24T00:37:58 Well, the part that impressed me was they were doing 80 mph and merging into my lane... 2013-01-24T00:38:00 ...or anything plus Google Talk, really 2013-01-24T00:38:06 heheh 2013-01-24T00:38:30 I may start video calling people at work 2013-01-24T00:38:43 you do and i'm going to start taking my shirt off 2013-01-24T00:38:47 Lync, IN THEORY, can do it 2013-01-24T00:39:05 Good luck getting that past the work dress-code 2013-01-24T00:39:22 Oh I'm going to be talking to McCammon tomorrow 2013-01-24T00:39:27 He'll be the perfeect canditate 2013-01-24T00:39:35 I've had "someone" use lync to vc me at work to show me something and forgot they were not wearing clothes. 2013-01-24T00:39:48 yes, well, that's wilbur for you 2013-01-24T00:40:20 damn. It needs to be miller time. 2013-01-24T00:41:51 oh, runecraft, I think I had an account there. 2013-01-24T00:42:03 I valued my eyesight 2013-01-24T00:42:17 Also, as a game it sucked 2013-01-24T00:42:48 back 2013-01-24T00:43:14 see above about "emergent property' 2013-01-24T00:44:14 Why are they afraid of that? 2013-01-24T00:44:32 Heh, I am covering Anonymous in my Shmoocon talk. This is gonna be fun. 2013-01-24T00:44:45 Probably because it's this big inscrutable thing that occasionally wreaks major havoc for reasons they don't understand 2013-01-24T00:44:57 ...but it's an emergent property. 2013-01-24T00:45:01 Sure. 2013-01-24T00:45:24 A distributed, communal intelligence that makes decisions, forms plans, and enacts them 2013-01-24T00:45:49 Also, a very alien intelligence for most people 2013-01-24T00:45:56 You mean like Borg? 2013-01-24T00:46:02 Nope. 2013-01-24T00:46:06 The BOrg has _one_ goal. 2013-01-24T00:46:09 Assimilation. 2013-01-24T00:46:09 Well, a lot of organizations are like that, but it's not communal. 2013-01-24T00:46:45 Anonymous's goals are making whatever is bothering anonymous today change 2013-01-24T00:46:48 Dagmar: it sounds like what you're getting at is effectively memetics. 2013-01-24T00:46:53 Yes. 2013-01-24T00:47:12 At some point some psychologist is going to take it seriously and write one hell of a paper 2013-01-24T00:47:22 So, can I offer a current example of what's going on? 2013-01-24T00:47:28 Cryptoparty. 2013-01-24T00:47:28 Shore 2013-01-24T00:47:33 Yep 2013-01-24T00:47:42 Asher_Wolf comes up with the idea, it runs and becomes its own thing. 2013-01-24T00:47:53 When she emoquit, it didn't actually matter because it was already its own thing. 2013-01-24T00:47:55 How you think we wound up continually having PN 2013-01-24T00:47:58 hahah 2013-01-24T00:48:18 The only reason we have set leaders is paperwork 2013-01-24T00:48:23 By finding some sucker to keep taking the blame for the annual debauchery? :) 2013-01-24T00:48:31 Not quite, but close 2013-01-24T00:48:40 to put a face on it so we can interact with everyone else 2013-01-24T00:48:48 Right. 2013-01-24T00:49:02 It's a need. We can all see it. People do what they can. 2013-01-24T00:49:27 Ok, so I have a question for you now. 2013-01-24T00:49:41 We see each other enough that we dont particularly communicate ad hoc through meme images 2013-01-24T00:49:46 Yes, with time that rash will go away. 2013-01-24T00:49:48 Do you think the recent moves by Google/Facebook/etc is also an attempt to curb or destroy emergent properties? 2013-01-24T00:50:07 Facebook is trying to just monetize things. I don't think they get it at all. 2013-01-24T00:50:11 Google is _trying_ to get it 2013-01-24T00:50:25 I'd argue that Google is trying to control it. 2013-01-24T00:50:27 It's not exactly something you can put a framework around tho', because it's an emergent property 2013-01-24T00:50:40 Well sure. 2013-01-24T00:50:57 I could be wrong tho 2013-01-24T00:51:05 Google sort of represents classic sanity 2013-01-24T00:51:27 Anon has about as much resemblance as the average person on ten hits of triple-dip 2013-01-24T00:51:50 hahah 2013-01-24T00:52:04 I'm not even jokin' there 2013-01-24T00:52:06 You've done LSD 2013-01-24T00:52:10 Right, right. 2013-01-24T00:52:15 not having a lot of luck googling triple-dip 2013-01-24T00:52:21 You know how you literally spend the last half just putting your mind back together 2013-01-24T00:52:35 Right. The whole regrounding bit. 2013-01-24T00:52:42 nope, never, that is what allows me to have these clear conversations with people who are not listening to me. 2013-01-24T00:52:44 There's thought processes in your head the whole time, but they don't match up to anything like sanity 2013-01-24T00:53:00 Wait, you put it back together? What a novel idea. 2013-01-24T00:53:05 hhe 2013-01-24T00:53:10 NotLarry: be quiet and run phreaknic or something 2013-01-24T00:53:11 :p 2013-01-24T00:53:19 You might have told me that back in like 79 or something 2013-01-24T00:53:39 You put it back together or you spend the rest of your life trying not to tip over and spill orange juice out of your head. 2013-01-24T00:53:51 That sounds like me. 2013-01-24T00:54:15 hehe 2013-01-24T00:54:17 There were rumors of just such a delusion coming from people in Atlanta 2013-01-24T00:54:21 the technical term for that is "psychotic break" 2013-01-24T00:54:26 Oh yes 2013-01-24T00:54:36 And god fucking damnit those are not fun to deal with 2013-01-24T00:54:47 So, your saying that, had someone ever done LSD, that from that point foward their existance as they know it is mearly a construct? 2013-01-24T00:54:58 I think he's suggesting we dose the water supply at Google 2013-01-24T00:55:07 No, but they might understand the concept afterwards 2013-01-24T00:55:16 There were no "psycotic breaks" listed in my recent background check. 2013-01-24T00:55:36 Dagmar: have you read much Jung? 2013-01-24T00:55:41 Nope. 2013-01-24T00:55:43 I *love* his definition of rational and irrational 2013-01-24T00:55:48 I actually tried to avoid reading a lot of stuff like that 2013-01-24T00:55:53 heh 2013-01-24T00:56:14 I saw people who did and were kind of stuck defining everything in the terms of one guy or another's framework 2013-01-24T00:56:19 Rational to him is putting your own order to things. Irrational are things you haven't put order to. 2013-01-24T00:56:25 ...which seems remarkably short-sighted to me. 2013-01-24T00:56:31 oh right right 2013-01-24T00:56:51 Where you say something and someone is like "oh that sounds like wittgenstein" and you go "er ok sure" 2013-01-24T00:57:02 I have a fairly solid understanding of a lot of things now that I wouldn't had I been stuck in someone's definition framework 2013-01-24T00:57:34 "sounds like" should be translated as "I don't fucking care about this" 2013-01-24T00:57:50 haha 2013-01-24T00:58:21 Another analogy I might make 2013-01-24T00:58:21 Invariably it's just a vague similarity or small subset of common features, from which they attempt to make a whole lot of deductions which are almost entirely wrong due to them ignoring other factors 2013-01-24T00:58:30 Anonymous is the digital equivalent of a James Joyce book 2013-01-24T00:58:44 Look at it with an open mind, figure it out, come to more usable conclusions. 2013-01-24T00:58:45 It breaks all the rules, and makes just enough sense that you can't dismiss it 2013-01-24T00:59:56 Actually, I wouldn't even say breaks. 2013-01-24T01:00:04 Try reading Anathem 2013-01-24T01:00:06 Exists outside of or without them 2013-01-24T01:00:12 heh. It's on the shelf 2013-01-24T01:00:16 lol 2013-01-24T01:00:19 I took a break from Stephenson after the Baroque Cycle though 2013-01-24T01:00:21 It figures 2013-01-24T01:00:35 My mom wanted me to give them some book recommendations for Dad for Christmas 2013-01-24T01:00:52 I had to tell her that lately I've been reading books so weird even *I* have trouble keeping up with them 2013-01-24T01:01:02 They wouldn't know what to make of something like Anathem 2013-01-24T01:01:11 Let alone Rule 34. 2013-01-24T01:01:20 There's a book for rule 34 now? 2013-01-24T01:01:29 Looks like there are some neutral portals in Warrior Alabama. I double dare you... 2013-01-24T01:01:33 No ther'es a book *named* Rule 34 2013-01-24T01:01:42 huh 2013-01-24T01:01:42 Thankfully it's part of a series 2013-01-24T01:01:50 I read the one before it before I would even consider looking at it 2013-01-24T01:01:55 There is a rule 34 for that book as well. 2013-01-24T01:02:37 The reason it's called Rule 34 is because it centers around near-future police officers who are basically just trying to keep the worst of the internet off of it 2013-01-24T01:02:52 off of what? 2013-01-24T01:02:55 They're the Rule 34 division 2013-01-24T01:03:01 Off of the internet. 2013-01-24T01:03:07 I'm trying to sign up now. 2013-01-24T01:03:14 They're mainly supposed to be fighting "classic" cybercrime 2013-01-24T01:03:23 Child pornography, bestiality, that sort of thing 2013-01-24T01:03:41 Except they're welsh 2013-01-24T01:04:08 So in addition to being hard to understand, internet crime is *fucking weird* and incredibly convoluted in Charles Stross' books 2013-01-24T01:04:39 Cops are pretty much wearing lifecasters all the time when they're on duty 2013-01-24T01:05:44 They get called in to deal with some theft 2013-01-24T01:05:51 Stolen gold 2013-01-24T01:05:57 Not _real_ gold. Game currency. 2013-01-24T01:06:18 ...but it happens because of this *other* crime that's being committed 2013-01-24T01:06:40 ...which leads to a bigger thing, which dovetails in with the other seemingly unrelated thing 2013-01-24T01:07:02 Dagmar: this should be interesting. I'm addressing Anonymous in my Shmoocon talk. I'm still trying to figure out how to explain stuff to them. It's DC, full of feds. 2013-01-24T01:07:02 ...and it's all very goddamn strange and it doesn't help that since they're welsh a lot of it isn't too far from being Anathem. 2013-01-24T01:07:22 aestetix: May I suggest a change of clothes 2013-01-24T01:07:24 Let's just say Google is leaps and bounds more clueful. 2013-01-24T01:07:30 lol 2013-01-24T01:07:33 Into what 2013-01-24T01:07:34 Something that makes you look very boring and not like yourself at all 2013-01-24T01:07:49 Something you can put on and get the fuck away on a bus if you need to 2013-01-24T01:08:08 lol 2013-01-24T01:08:34 Emergent property 2013-01-24T01:08:49 How do you react when someone tries to tell you what they think you are? 2013-01-24T01:09:22 Information, misinformation, miscommunication... 2013-01-24T01:09:39 Unless things go blisteringly swimmingly, you might want to limit interaction about it after the presentation 2013-01-24T01:11:42 Thankfully it's still just people 2013-01-24T01:12:09 Not quite as risky as casually whipping out the real Necronomicon and casually ringing up C'thulu in the bath. 2013-01-24T01:12:50 Or bringing up Richard Nixon during sex 2013-01-24T01:13:07 not that I'd do that 2013-01-24T01:13:08 I wound't say that's risky so much as guaranteed to kill the mood 2013-01-24T01:13:30 If the talk starts to go bad, just bring up Richard Nixon 2013-01-24T01:13:55 If it can generate enough genuine disinterest, you'll be safe. :) 2013-01-24T01:14:31 You'll just have to run like hell from the dozen or so feminists if you explain the Nixon connection 2013-01-24T01:16:09 THere you go. Your "fleeing" suit should probably be a Manchester United shirt and ball cap, trackies with a stripe down the side, and a good pair of running shoes 2013-01-24T01:16:57 I expect to eventually do a little jogging just for saying that 2013-01-24T01:17:03 At least some brisk walking away 2013-01-24T01:19:27 haha 2013-01-24T01:20:19 One thing that's interesting to me 2013-01-24T01:20:40 It seems that you can fracture elements of Anonymous by publicly outing them 2013-01-24T01:20:55 IE linking their legal name to their anonymous name, in public 2013-01-24T01:21:29 Which is why I suggest that by forcing people to use a type of name, you control relationships. 2013-01-24T01:28:32 In that case yes becuse the relationships are suddenly a lot more relevant 2013-01-24T01:28:43 * aestetix nods 2013-01-24T01:28:50 Sort of floating around on the internet things are more fluid by far 2013-01-24T01:28:53 So one important element there 2013-01-24T01:29:04 While you *can* use name control to control or break Anonymous 2013-01-24T01:29:13 You also control and break other things, like free speech. 2013-01-24T01:29:16 You'd have to use a LOT of nmes 2013-01-24T01:29:32 Which is precisely what Google and Facebook have done. 2013-01-24T01:36:08 It just means they won't coalesce or whatever there 2013-01-24T01:38:57 I am of the opinion that it requires fluidity of social groups beyond what that facilitates 2013-01-24T01:40:05 ...like the long and winding chains of stuff you find on 4-chan 2013-01-24T01:40:12 No persistent egos 2013-01-24T01:40:46 Heh. 2013-01-24T01:42:54 Savage that may be, it's definitely something 2013-01-24T01:43:13 ...and most people have an equal level of savagery going on inside their own heads all the time. They just self-censor 2013-01-24T01:44:23 There's no need to self-censor in a fully anonymous group 2013-01-24T01:44:56 * aestetix nods 2013-01-24T01:45:04 All the gruesome comes out to play, it's just limited by whether or not anyone gives a fuck 2013-01-24T01:45:36 ...an entirely different mechanism from self-censorship in order to appear "civilized" 2013-01-24T01:45:48 Hance, insane. 2013-01-24T01:46:32 I just came up with an interesting analogy for Anonymous. 2013-01-24T01:46:46 At the macroscopic level they bear no relationship to "sane" thought processes, but they are a process for collective cogitaion 2013-01-24T01:46:48 Comparing it to a black box. It has some buttons, and when you press them, they do various things. 2013-01-24T01:46:50 er cogitation 2013-01-24T01:47:13 You reach into the box and pull out a component. But you have no way of knowing whether the buttons will do anything different. 2013-01-24T01:47:34 And you have no way of knowing whether new componenets will generate inside the box. 2013-01-24T01:47:34 ...and memes keep spewing out the sides anyway. :) 2013-01-24T01:47:39 hahah 2013-01-24T01:47:52 Do you think that analogy works? 2013-01-24T01:48:02 A bit, yeah 2013-01-24T01:48:21 Good way of outlining what an emergent property looks like 2013-01-24T01:48:23 I especially like it because of black-box security testing 2013-01-24T01:48:40 We can see all the pieces, still have no idea what it's doing 2013-01-24T01:48:45 Just that it's doing something. 2013-01-24T01:49:38 that sounds like translating a language you don't know into another language you don't know 2013-01-24T01:50:03 Only if it means you are accidentally generating haiku for no apparent reason 2013-01-24T01:50:08 haha 2013-01-24T01:50:11 Well I mean 2013-01-24T01:50:21 if you have a sheet that tells you what all the words/letters translate to 2013-01-24T01:50:27 you can see all the pieces, you still have no idea what they do 2013-01-24T01:50:45 You're turning A into B, where A->B is a complex task, and wind up with B and C sitting there grinning merrily 2013-01-24T01:51:01 Right. 2013-01-24T01:51:42 A bit like Gallagher+ 2013-01-24T01:51:50 So how about this. You have a massive machine with some buttons on it, and a ton of parts, and you have no idea how any of it works. Just that sometimes pushing buttons makes things happen. 2013-01-24T01:52:20 There was a science fiction story about a guy who was an engineer who had a tendency to make whiz-bang shit only after drinking himself to blackout 2013-01-24T01:52:38 he's wake up, and have this "device" which made no sense to him at all and did a bunch of things 2013-01-24T01:52:55 ...and needed desperately to work out why he'd built it and what the fuck it was supposed to do 2013-01-24T01:53:23 He figures out how to power it up, metal tubes come out, start hoovering up his back yard 2013-01-24T01:53:46 Makes a large and perfectly cubic hole 2013-01-24T01:54:01 Problem: Where is the dirt going 2013-01-24T01:54:25 He had decided he needed a swimming pool. 2013-01-24T01:54:58 Build a machine capable of digging the hole, as well as automatically sorting matter and breaking it down into base elements for it's own use as power 2013-01-24T01:55:06 Hahaha. 2013-01-24T01:55:09 ...which is pretty close to what he was supposed to be designing anyway 2013-01-24T01:55:33 A machine literally made of emergent properties as far as he can tell at first 2013-01-24T01:56:14 * aestetix nods 2013-01-24T01:56:40 He was Gallager, a moderately decent engineer. Blackout drunk Gallagher was Gallagher+ that made the bizarre machines 2013-01-24T01:57:00 Interesting. 2013-01-24T01:57:57 I've no idea what book it's from 2013-01-24T01:58:04 I read literally thousands of sci fi books 2013-01-24T01:58:39 All I can be sure of was that it was published before 1982 2013-01-24T02:11:33 I'll spend a bit more time thinking about this. 2013-01-24T02:12:29 It's amazing how hard it is to simplify things without losing context. The diagrams I made for PhreakNIC took me like a month and a half to figure out. 2013-01-24T03:51:05 wait, where is Dolemite 2013-01-24T03:51:06 I owe him a hug 2013-01-24T04:50:27 don't hug him. hump him 2013-01-24T04:50:35 just two letters different 2013-01-24T06:12:58 *** LastChild has quit IRC (Quit: and the monkey flips the switch) 2013-01-24T06:16:54 *** K4k has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 264 seconds) 2013-01-24T06:47:47 *** K4k has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T07:43:18 *** Dolemite has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T07:43:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dolemite 2013-01-24T07:43:40 mr0ning, be0tches and h0ecicles! 2013-01-24T07:45:53 Man, you sluts in Nashville get to miss out on the ice storm that's heading our way tonight 2013-01-24T08:17:21 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-24T08:28:56 you keep your ice 2013-01-24T08:29:06 Dolemite: you saw my email about the jquery nonsense? 2013-01-24T08:34:56 I did. Why did you upgrade jQuery, anyway? Did you implement new functions? 2013-01-24T08:35:10 Can we just stick with the older version for now? 2013-01-24T08:35:55 I had used one of the new methods a while back and just hadn't noticed it wasn't working. the migration plugin handles all the issues that came up 2013-01-24T08:36:41 everything is fixed with the last commit I did last night. it even fixed the tag support in IE8. 2013-01-24T08:40:03 *** CNwaV has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T08:54:27 flight to istanbul turkey $900 flight to seoul south korea 1600. wtf? 2013-01-24T08:54:57 the ticket itself for turkey was like $300 the rest was taxes and fees 2013-01-24T08:57:00 You doing an around the world trip? 2013-01-24T09:04:14 just looking at possibilities 2013-01-24T09:04:32 looks like jay is getting a job in turkey, and I currently have a friend in south korea 2013-01-24T09:04:59 both would be neat trips to take 2013-01-24T09:05:44 Avoid the Turkish jails. 2013-01-24T09:06:12 Seoul is extremely expensive. Just warning you. 2013-01-24T09:06:53 But in that respect, trying to go out to eat in Tokyo makes Seoul look like eating off of the McDonald's Extra Value Menu. 2013-01-24T09:07:39 I've wanted to go to Turkey, never got to really do much mainland Europe/Eurasia travel 2013-01-24T09:08:36 I'd like to visit Turkey, Czech Republic, and the Austrian portion of Germany in one trip 2013-01-24T09:09:30 Oh, and Budapest 2013-01-24T09:10:05 she's not in seoul but that is the nearest airport 2013-01-24T09:11:05 Well, South Korea in general is expensive 2013-01-24T09:11:23 But if you have a local to help you, it might not be so much 2013-01-24T09:11:29 gwangju is where she is 2013-01-24T09:11:32 What's vorshi going to be doing in Turkey? 2013-01-24T09:11:44 are you sitting down? 2013-01-24T09:12:02 yes 2013-01-24T09:12:05 teaching. 2013-01-24T09:12:10 Motivational Speaking? 2013-01-24T09:12:11 lol 2013-01-24T09:12:13 teaching... english 2013-01-24T09:12:20 Teaching English as a Second Language? 2013-01-24T09:12:51 Yeah, there's so much demand for ESL teachers that will embed in foreign countries, they'll take pretty much anybody that agrees 2013-01-24T09:12:52 first, second, I dunno. he's hard enough to understand usually him teaching any kind of english is alarming 2013-01-24T09:13:16 I'm thinking that we'll start getting a bunch of tourists in 10 years that sound like Lurch 2013-01-24T09:14:10 lol 2013-01-24T09:14:33 You should see if it's cheaper to fly through Hong Kong than direct to Seoul 2013-01-24T09:14:43 I did that trick a bunch when I was with Sun 2013-01-24T09:14:52 No visa is required for Hong Kong, either 2013-01-24T09:14:53 that was through tokyo I think 2013-01-24T09:15:07 oh, damn, that's one of the most expensive places to fly through 2013-01-24T09:15:09 just half ass looking for now 2013-01-24T09:15:10 stay away from Tokyo 2013-01-24T09:15:28 I once got a round trip from Nashville to Honk Kong for < $300 2013-01-24T09:15:34 Hong\ 2013-01-24T09:15:47 heh. Honk Kong 2013-01-24T09:15:50 she was talking about visiting turkey cause he will be over there. I could see both with one flight 2013-01-24T09:16:20 Yeah, that would work out well 2013-01-24T09:17:02 the three of us in a foreign country, together. nothing could go wrong there. noooooooo 2013-01-24T09:17:06 Well if you ever get the chance, go visit Hong Kong. You can pick up some tailor made clothes, and a lovely, subservient wife for very little cash. 2013-01-24T09:18:19 Although Shanghai is really the better place for the custom tailoring, since that's where the silk market is 2013-01-24T09:18:44 crazy ass egyptians, cooking bugs, urine and nail clippings then mixing them with wine to make a love potion 2013-01-24T09:21:31 So I had been looking at phpgrid.com as a new way to do reports, but their lite version (the free one) doesn't quite do enough 2013-01-24T09:21:44 I'm also not too keen on including non OSS software 2013-01-24T09:21:56 So if you find anything comparable to that, let me know 2013-01-24T09:22:18 k i'll keep an eye out 2013-01-24T09:22:52 I've figured out phpexcel to where we can at least dump an export easily, so I can keep down that path 2013-01-24T09:23:11 I was just hoping to find one solution that did both the screen and export - phpgrid lets you export to HTML, PDF, and Excel 2013-01-24T09:26:03 I may go with my original idea of using DataTables www.datatables.net for the visual and phpExcel for the export 2013-01-24T09:26:46 Flexigrid look usable, too 2013-01-24T09:31:00 Ah, DataTables has a plug-in for export in CSV or PDF. That will do. 2013-01-24T09:35:17 *** frsilent has quit IRC (Read error: No route to host) 2013-01-24T09:37:01 *** frsilent has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T10:13:00 mr0nin 2013-01-24T10:20:39 *** Genphlux has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T10:30:08 *** mog has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2013-01-24T10:33:42 *** sync|Win8 has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T10:35:44 *** sync has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2013-01-24T10:57:20 *** mog has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T10:57:20 *** mog has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T10:57:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o mog 2013-01-24T11:33:47 *** Dolemite has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2013-01-24T11:34:41 *** K4k has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2013-01-24T12:25:49 *** frsilent has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2013-01-24T12:26:06 *** frsilent has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T12:45:25 *** Husky has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T12:45:25 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Husky 2013-01-24T13:10:53 *** sync350 has quit IRC (Quit: Screw you guys, I'm goin home) 2013-01-24T13:28:08 *** v4mp has joined #se2600 2013-01-24T13:46:50 man, I can't get to it from work, can someone get my 2013-01-24T13:46:50 The Chronic by Dr. Dre please please please? 2013-01-24T13:47:00 me* 2013-01-24T14:00:00 *** Genphlux has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2013-01-24T14:02:47 nvm, just remembered my seedbox has vnc 2013-01-24T14:29:23