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2013-01-22T00:29:50  <eryc> is wikileaks trying to make money on swartz's death
2013-01-22T00:58:22  <RangerZ> so what is the new(er) attack method where you change the return locations of stacks?
2013-01-22T00:58:41  <RangerZ> and use a programs' own code to build the code you want to run
2013-01-22T00:59:47  <RangerZ> its related to buffer overflow, but isn't that exactly.... (was going to look it up, but can't think of name)
2013-01-22T00:59:57  <aestetix> format string?
2013-01-22T01:08:21  <RangerZ> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return-to-libc_attack think this is it
2013-01-22T01:08:22  <GateKeeper> Title: Return-to-libc attack - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2013-01-22T01:08:29  <RangerZ> there is a more generic name to it, but ehh
2013-01-22T01:24:43  <wilpig> I've already burned through two label cartridges
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2013-01-22T02:08:45  <wilpig> Dagmar: ping
2013-01-22T02:08:57  <wilpig> did you say someone was purposely dumping stuff on edgehill for someone else?
2013-01-22T02:09:16  <wilpig> cause I just picked up two large piles of stuff that even had a few lvl8 bursters in them
2013-01-22T02:09:52  <Bahhumbug> Man, fuck wikileaks.
2013-01-22T02:10:04  * wilpig covers wikileaks in flour.
2013-01-22T02:10:05  <Bahhumbug> Sideways.  With a crenshaw melon.
2013-01-22T02:35:48  <wilpig> https://github.com/samilliken/openDCIM/commit/dbdf66fee0e01b2598241826db7d5b4a9e355ace
2013-01-22T02:35:49  <GateKeeper> Title: Somehow jquery reverted back to 1.7.1 from 1.9. Shenanigans are suspect... · dbdf66f · samilliken/openDCIM · GitHub (at github.com)
2013-01-22T04:40:20  <aestetix> why flour?
2013-01-22T04:40:25  <aestetix> why not tar and feathers? :)
2013-01-22T05:58:19  <wilpig> aestetix: you said to fuck it.  I was looking for the wet spot
2013-01-22T05:58:36  <wilpig> nm Bahhumbug said to fuck ti.
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2013-01-22T07:28:39  <Do|emite> freakin' BRRRR, be0tches and h0ez!
2013-01-22T07:59:25  <wilpig> lies
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2013-01-22T08:10:45  <wilpig> damnit!
2013-01-22T08:10:56  <wilpig> The following message is displayed when openDCIM attempts to upgrade our system from 1.4 to 2.0 . Could you please provide the custom fix.
2013-01-22T08:10:59  <wilpig> 
2013-01-22T08:11:02  <wilpig> This is a problem that will need a custom fix. Please email the output below to wilbur@wilpig.org
2013-01-22T08:11:04  <CNwaV> in the name of wilpig, i damn thee!
2013-01-22T08:11:05  <wilpig> Array ( [0] => 59 [SwitchDeviceID] => 59 [1] => 59-16 [KEY1] => 59-16 [2] => 2 [Count] => 2 )
2013-01-22T08:11:08  <wilpig> I was hoping that wouldn't ever come up
2013-01-22T08:12:02  <Do|emite> doh!
2013-01-22T08:13:24  <Do|emite> I applied a fix submitted by hawson that was a typo with the patch panel code
2013-01-22T08:13:44  <wilpig> I saw
2013-01-22T08:14:01  <wilpig> I have no idea how the jquery got downgraded there was no record of the act in github
2013-01-22T08:14:22  <wilpig> I think that might have been part of my problems upgrading here last night.  but I put ina fix just in case that wasn't it afterall
2013-01-22T08:16:11  <Do|emite> Oh, and the WAMP users...
2013-01-22T08:16:35  <Do|emite> You still need to authenticate, period.  I think someone replied that you could turn off authentication.
2013-01-22T08:17:47  <wilpig> I replied to them on how to set it up
2013-01-22T08:19:13  <Do|emite> Yep, and I also replied that with no user login, you're way out of the realm of supported
2013-01-22T08:19:41  <wilpig> Do|emite: syntax thsi cause i'm tired.
2013-01-22T08:20:17  <wilpig> delete from fac_SwitchConnection where DeviceID=59 and SwitchPortNumber=16;
2013-01-22T08:20:22  <wilpig> yes?  missing somethign?
2013-01-22T08:23:45  <Do|emite> Sorry, went to get hot chocolate
2013-01-22T08:24:00  <Do|emite> That is syntactically correct
2013-01-22T08:24:16  <wilpig> k.
2013-01-22T08:24:24  <wilpig> CC'd you on that
2013-01-22T08:26:35  <Do|emite> We'll roll out a 2.0.1 bug fix update here in a few days
2013-01-22T08:26:38  <Do|emite> No db changes
2013-01-22T08:28:20  * sdodson_ updates Do|emite's db
2013-01-22T08:32:16  <Do|emite> truncate sdodson_
2013-01-22T08:34:40  <Do|emite> The sun has been up for 45 minutes, so the temperature has risen to a balmy 21 F.
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2013-01-22T08:41:04  <sdodson> Do|emite: there, you happy?
2013-01-22T08:42:53  <Do|emite> sdodson: die!!!
2013-01-22T08:42:56  <Do|emite> er, I mean
2013-01-22T08:42:57  <Do|emite> Hi!
2013-01-22T08:44:59  <sdodson> Do|emite: so much hostility here
2013-01-22T08:45:08  <Do|emite> It was a typo
2013-01-22T08:45:14  <Do|emite> I corrected myself
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2013-01-22T09:31:43  * wilpig pees on sdodson's left shoe
2013-01-22T09:33:17  <Do|emite> Well, shoot.  Looks like we do need a 2.0.1 db version
2013-01-22T09:33:29  <Do|emite> a table was left out from the create and upgrade files
2013-01-22T09:34:37  <wilpig> 1,2,3, not it
2013-01-22T09:34:56  <Do|emite> It was me
2013-01-22T09:34:58  <Do|emite> I take credit
2013-01-22T09:35:10  <Do|emite> It's related to the CDU templates I implemented
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2013-01-22T10:06:17  <nachoguy_> mr0nin
2013-01-22T10:09:18  <Do|emite> nacho hombre!
2013-01-22T10:09:29  <nachoguy_> heyo
2013-01-22T10:09:33  <nachoguy_> ~weather 60606
2013-01-22T10:09:37  <MxZBot> It's Scattered Clouds in River North, Chicago, Illinois. It's 1.1 F (-45 M, -17 C, 256 K).  Wind to the NNE at 1.0Mph/1.6Kph.
2013-01-22T10:09:46  <nachoguy_> 1 MPH my ass
2013-01-22T10:11:42  <nachoguy_> I see you guys have a nice warm day down there in the mountains
2013-01-22T10:13:53  <wilpig> ~weather 37212
2013-01-22T10:13:54  <MxZBot> It's Mostly Cloudy in Belmont-Hillsboro, Nashville, Tennessee. It's 21.1 F (-15 M, -6 C, 267 K).  Wind to the NW at 1.0Mph/1.6Kph.
2013-01-22T10:14:10  <nachoguy_> see, toasty warm
2013-01-22T10:15:12  <Do|emite> ~weather 37830
2013-01-22T10:15:13  <MxZBot> It's Clear in MesoWest Tower Y (Y12 PSS Tower) TN US, Oak Ridge, Tennessee. It's 23 F (-13 M, -5 C, 268 K).  Wind to the WNW at 4Mph/6.4Kph.
2013-01-22T10:15:22  <Do|emite> Heat wave!
2013-01-22T10:15:57  <nachoguy_> It's probably all the heat that the superclusters give off
2013-01-22T10:16:07  <nachoguy_> you're responsible for heating that portion of TN
2013-01-22T10:17:57  <wilpig> nachoguy_: they have the super secret government weather control laser there in the hidden miltitary weapons lab that he's not allowed to talk about
2013-01-22T10:19:13  <nachoguy_> oh, I've noticed he stopped talking when we brought it up
2013-01-22T10:19:48  <wilpig> that's just one sign that i'm right.
2013-01-22T10:20:11  <Do|emite> I can neither confirm nor deny
2013-01-22T10:21:53  <nachoguy_> http://i.imgur.com/vpVVT8F.jpg
2013-01-22T10:22:12  <Dagmar> wilpig: That drive.  Did it get degaussed and prepped to go back to HP?
2013-01-22T10:22:28  <wilpig> yar.  in the box in tom's office to shipping out
2013-01-22T10:22:37  <Dagmar> Okay cool.
2013-01-22T10:22:39  <wilpig> even pointed it out to him this morning to make sure it went out
2013-01-22T10:22:47  <Dagmar> Thank you very much sir
2013-01-22T10:22:52  <wilpig> np
2013-01-22T10:23:06  <Dagmar> HP is hassling me in email wanting a 5 day return.  lol
2013-01-22T10:23:31  <wilpig> the ups sticker on it said it wanted it back in 5 days
2013-01-22T10:23:46  <Dagmar> Yep.  What they're going to get it five _buiness_ days
2013-01-22T10:24:34  <Dagmar> Either way the damn thing came in on Friday and the idea of getting someone to approve a change for it without large quantities of bullshit involved means Monday was the soonest it was getting handled
2013-01-22T10:25:10  <Dagmar> Until they stop behaving like retarded dumbasses, I'm not "attending" their asinine change meetings, virtually or otherwise.
2013-01-22T10:25:37  <Dagmar> I'm just going to put in changes, and if they want the shit to be repaired, they'll just click the fucking accept button
2013-01-22T10:26:26  <Dagmar> People in ITS are being just jaw dropping fuckin' stupid lately and I'm tired of dealing with it
2013-01-22T10:26:46  <wilpig> I hear that
2013-01-22T10:27:40  <Dagmar> Sean is apparently trying to make a game of making other people say exactly the right words to describe waht's going on inside the LTMs before he admits there is something not behaving as expected
2013-01-22T10:27:52  <Dagmar> I'm going to make him fuckin' pay for that shit
2013-01-22T10:28:29  <Do|emite> Wait.  They're wanting you to submit a change for a hardware repair?
2013-01-22T10:28:55  <Dagmar> Dolemite: Since the re-org and Troy and I getting traded to EAI, everyone over there has been exactly that stupid
2013-01-22T10:29:02  <Dagmar> You can't go into the datacenter without a change number.
2013-01-22T10:29:27  <Do|emite> So they want a break/fix to be treated like a change.  Yep, that's myopic and asinine.
2013-01-22T10:29:34  <Dagmar> We've got about 10 connections a minute or so being dropped between the SMTP servers and Exchange
2013-01-22T10:30:06  <Dagmar> ...which is almost certainly the LTM.  It was dipshit Hare that reported the problem to me, and I eventually closed the ticket because I didn't get a single reponse from him in email about it
2013-01-22T10:30:56  <Dagmar> Johnson is being equally thick about the LTMs role in this, probably because they planned to have it rejecting connections when it "overloads"
2013-01-22T10:32:09  <Dagmar> ...which is dumb because the only things connecting through there are the SMTP servers.  It's not like they can be malicious.
2013-01-22T10:32:24  <Dagmar> ...but they can architect a solution that needelessly delays email delivery.
2013-01-22T10:32:26  <Dagmar> So fuck them.
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2013-01-22T10:37:02  <wilpig> Do|emite: change number or a magic ticket to go into the datacenter now
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2013-01-22T10:37:24  <Do|emite> Do I need to request a change to schedule a tour?
2013-01-22T10:37:46  <wilpig> I don't think we do tickets for tours but we might
2013-01-22T10:37:48  <opticron> probably one for you and one for each person on the tour
2013-01-22T10:38:11  <Do|emite> Heh, and people said that I was a rules nazi when I was there.  lol
2013-01-22T10:38:47  <wilpig> that was part of the change for the itar compliance stuff
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2013-01-22T10:55:57  <Dagmar> They've gone completely off hte deep end since Bain did their audit/analysis
2013-01-22T10:56:29  <Dagmar> Suddenly every pissant middle-manager and do-nothing boot-licker are terrified they'll be downsized if they don't justify their existance by getting in the way of as many things as possible
2013-01-22T10:56:49  <Do|emite> International Traffic in Arms Regulation?
2013-01-22T10:57:02  <Dagmar> ...and seeing how they don't really *pay* people here, we've been accumulating mainly just those kinds of people.
2013-01-22T10:57:06  <Dagmar> Dolemite: Yep
2013-01-22T10:57:17  <Dagmar> ISDE and ISIS
2013-01-22T10:57:43  <Dagmar> You don't want space to invade the earth and take it over, do you?
2013-01-22T10:59:00  * Do|emite shakes his head and then bangs it against the desk
2013-01-22T10:59:30  <Do|emite> Apparently VU Legal has been reading between the lines
2013-01-22T10:59:51  <Dagmar> Actually, ITAR auditors if I'm not mistaken
2013-01-22T10:59:51  <wilpig> crap.  I can't waive at any of those people now?
2013-01-22T11:00:20  <wilpig> we still haven't officially been given any itar training
2013-01-22T11:01:06  <Do|emite> And auditor's job is to recommend changes, even if everything looks fine
2013-01-22T11:01:13  <Do|emite> That's why everybody hates them
2013-01-22T11:01:21  <Do|emite> They're worse than users
2013-01-22T11:02:03  <wilpig> houseplants are worse than users
2013-01-22T11:02:18  <wilpig> if I was at work i'd be pointing at the corner where the plants grow
2013-01-22T11:02:21  <Do|emite> Set up an LSA.  Install a cage from floor to ceiling, and put the LSA designated equipment inside.  Set up separate security controls for that one area.  Done.
2013-01-22T11:02:39  <wilpig> since i'm at home i'm gonna go lay a gentleman's egg then point at it instead
2013-01-22T11:02:50  <Dagmar> So... How many managers would you like involved in the designing of the cage
2013-01-22T11:03:04  <Dagmar> ...because right now, even Taj would insist that she has a stake in it.
2013-01-22T11:03:12  <wilpig> Dagmar: you need a plant engineer in on that as well
2013-01-22T11:03:14  <Dagmar> I like wilbur's plan.
2013-01-22T11:03:33  <Do|emite> So what's the role of the data center manager in this?
2013-01-22T11:03:41  <wilpig> I think traffic and parking might have something to say because it might look like a parking spot in there
2013-01-22T11:04:05  <wilpig> Do|emite: he absorbs email but doesn't respond to it.  he's kind of like a bot that's broken
2013-01-22T11:04:17  <Do|emite> wilpig: That explains a lot
2013-01-22T11:04:37  <Do|emite> I'm sure HR would want to get involved, because people working inside a cage might get hurt feelings
2013-01-22T11:04:39  <Dagmar> He needs to man up
2013-01-22T11:04:54  <Dagmar> Tell some other people to shut the fuck up if they can't be bothered to think
2013-01-22T11:04:58  <Dagmar> In that, he has failed.
2013-01-22T11:05:29  <Dagmar> Somehow or other someone convinced him that running the change meetings means he can't have any input into whether or not what another manager just said was unbelievably stupid
2013-01-22T11:06:04  <Do|emite> That was half the fun!
2013-01-22T11:06:14  <Dagmar> You would have loved Taj then
2013-01-22T11:06:40  <Do|emite> I guess people don't view him as the authority to make the final decision
2013-01-22T11:06:48  <Dagmar> I put in a change where I'd gotten sick of them asking me dumbass questions about the obvious, so for downtime issues I wrote "There will be and can be no downtime associated with this event"
2013-01-22T11:06:49  <Do|emite> Well, second to final
2013-01-22T11:06:57  <Dagmar> It was a very simple patching of a config.
2013-01-22T11:07:00  <Do|emite> Zafar always had the right to convince me otherwise
2013-01-22T11:07:15  <Do|emite> But he had the courtesy to convince me, rather than tell me
2013-01-22T11:07:28  <Dagmar> Taj determined this to mean I was saying "we cannot afford any downtime from this because it would be disastrous" and called it off
2013-01-22T11:07:32  <wilpig> Do|emite: he is no authority
2013-01-22T11:07:51  <Dagmar> She failed at simple English.
2013-01-22T11:07:58  <Dagmar> Peter didn't call her on it.
2013-01-22T11:08:14  <Dagmar> I didn't call her on it because I was trying to make my goddamn headset behave and missed hearing what specifically she said
2013-01-22T11:08:26  <Dagmar> ...which is probably good because I wouldn't have been nice baout it
2013-01-22T11:09:02  <Dagmar> Nevermind that Taj had exactly zero stake in the system in question
2013-01-22T11:09:15  <Dagmar> Kill them all I would
2013-01-22T11:09:43  <wilpig> i've proposed a solution but the sprinkler system would probably save them
2013-01-22T11:10:05  <Dagmar> ...but what I really want is for some provost or dean to get all bent out of shape about their email being delayed by hours for no reason.
2013-01-22T11:10:28  <wilpig> the noc has complained about that for two years now
2013-01-22T11:10:51  <Dagmar> ...because now I'll be able to say "yes, I investigated this two months ago, came to the conclusion with proof that the problem was not in our SMTP servers, notified both of the other parties involved, who did nothing."
2013-01-22T11:11:03  <wilpig> I believe the exact complaint we've filed repeatedly is "why are we calling admins about x, when they get the email 15 - 45 minutes BEFORE we do"
2013-01-22T11:11:24  <Dagmar> That's a problem of group mailboxes being the suck
2013-01-22T11:11:37  <Dagmar> ...which is probably related to "IMAP performance is shit"
2013-01-22T11:11:39  <wilpig> that's a problem of using a public folder vs a real mailbox
2013-01-22T11:12:06  <Dagmar> ...which are both subsets of "No one expects the Exchange admins to do anything useful or productive aside from occasionally restore someone's email spool."
2013-01-22T11:17:24  <Do|emite> Oh, well.  Time for lunch
2013-01-22T11:17:35  <Do|emite> I'm sure wilpig's about to fall asleep, too
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2013-01-22T14:40:06  <Dagmar> HOLY SHIT
2013-01-22T14:40:18  <Dagmar> Channel 5 finally updated their website layout slightly
2013-01-22T16:06:46  <aestetix> penis
2013-01-22T16:33:45  <polerin> If. You require a developer. to hold your entire framework in their head. At all times. To write the simplest code. YOUR FRAMEWORK BLOWS
2013-01-22T16:34:10  <polerin> configuring layer after layer after layer is NOT HELPING
2013-01-22T16:34:36  <polerin> especially when your fucking directory structure blows balls, and encourages people to put code WHERE THE FUCK EVER THEY WANT
2013-01-22T16:34:50  <polerin> which is the only other reason to use a goddamn framework
2013-01-22T16:34:57  <polerin> 1) MAKES SHIT EASIER
2013-01-22T16:35:09  <polerin> 2) MAKES YOU BE MORE DISCIPLINED
2013-01-22T16:35:20  <polerin> one or the other... or on a good day, both.
2013-01-22T16:35:22  <polerin> jesus.
2013-01-22T16:38:07  <Dagmar> Jesus cannot help you with this problem.
2013-01-22T16:38:16  <polerin> I wish he could.
2013-01-22T16:38:23  <polerin> come knock some sense into people
2013-01-22T16:38:39  <polerin> people obsessed with patterns drive me up the wall
2013-01-22T16:39:13  <polerin> Paterns are an observation and a suggestion.  if you hold to them as THE WAY FORWARD your shit is going to break.  BReak break break break be fragile as crap and hard to work with and BREAK
2013-01-22T16:55:33  <aestetix> polerin: isn't the point of having a framework to not need the remember it all?
2013-01-22T16:55:48  <aestetix> to remember*
2013-01-22T16:56:36  <aestetix> although that leads to other issues
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2013-01-22T17:59:28  <Dagmar> Okay, perhaps some parts of perl are _really_ faster than I expected.
2013-01-22T18:00:48  <Dagmar> Two versions of the same program that read a part of syslog for a five minute window of time
2013-01-22T18:01:07  <Dagmar> Both have to repeatedly invoke timelocal, which converts form the array of time bits into epoch time.
2013-01-22T18:01:33  <Dagmar> This is somewhat computationally busyish, and I just noticed a timelocal_nocheck that is supposed to be less busy, and assumes you're feeding it sane dates (which we are)
2013-01-22T18:01:51  <Dagmar> The first few test runs, the version with the safeties off took longer to run
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2013-01-22T18:25:48  <Dagmar> Holy fuck
2013-01-22T18:25:58  <Dagmar> I have twenty-two fuckin' keys for this one portal now.
2013-01-22T18:28:27  <Iyeman> lol
2013-01-22T18:28:58  <Iyeman> dont think thats enough
2013-01-22T18:42:04  <nachoguy_> one key opens many locks: master key.  Many keys open single lock: shitty lock
2013-01-22T18:51:36  <Dagmar> Iyeman: Considernig that objects dropped are suopposed to decay in 12 hours but aren't I really don't know how to get rid of all the goddamn things.
2013-01-22T18:51:55  <Dagmar> This is for the portal outside my office window that I hit 6-8 times a day
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2013-01-22T19:57:04  <wilpig> Dagmar: there are several bursters and resonators over on belmont's campus.  I saw them on my way in but didn't have time to drive over and scoop em up
2013-01-22T19:59:31  <Dagmar> Yep.  That was w2warren ditching his inventory
2013-01-22T19:59:37  <Dagmar> I think he's switching sides, I'm not sure
2013-01-22T20:00:02  <Dagmar> I saw 'em last night from in front of Bongo and just said "Too damn cold to walk all the way over there"
2013-01-22T20:00:13  <Dagmar> There's another stash near the Belcourt
2013-01-22T20:00:34  <wilpig> someone, i assume banderling, dumped a shitton of media on edgewood there in front of the university school.  it was this huge blur of blue
2013-01-22T20:00:47  <Dagmar> Seeing as how things arne't decaying like they should I'll take a whack at 'em tomorrow night
2013-01-22T20:00:54  <wilpig> I got one of the ones near the belcourt.
2013-01-22T20:01:00  <Dagmar> wlipig: Yeah that was also where the long line of keys was
2013-01-22T20:02:32  <wilpig> banderling and stickman were kind enough to make some fields off of shadow and substance here on campus.  gonna walk over there later and blow the living shit out of it.
2013-01-22T20:03:00  <wilpig> that'll take down 6 links and 2 fields
2013-01-22T20:03:54  <Dagmar> oooh big points!
2013-01-22T20:05:11  <wilpig> http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/01/22/netflix-vs-world-everyone-pays-for-ultimate-video-expert-says/
2013-01-22T20:05:12  <GateKeeper> Title: Netflix vs. the world: Everyone pays for the ultimate video, expert says | Fox News (at www.foxnews.com)
2013-01-22T20:05:18  <wilpig> despite the fauxnews link
2013-01-22T20:05:47  <wilpig> WTF?!  netflix wants a subsidy to stay competetive?
2013-01-22T20:06:54  <Dagmar> All the big media companies are doing it.
2013-01-22T20:07:06  <Dagmar> Why should they be any different
2013-01-22T20:08:47  <Dagmar> I do not mean that entirely sarcastically, either.
2013-01-22T20:12:39  <aestetix> haha
2013-01-22T20:12:40  <aestetix> http://www.skypeopenletter.com/draft/
2013-01-22T20:12:41  <GateKeeper> Title: Open Letter to Skype (at www.skypeopenletter.com)
2013-01-22T20:12:48  <aestetix> I emailed nadim asking to have "aestetix" on there
2013-01-22T20:12:53  <aestetix> he replied saying no psuedonyms
2013-01-22T20:13:01  <aestetix> so I sent him "Luther Bissett" instead
2013-01-22T20:13:10  <aestetix> Apparently a real looking name works well enough :p
2013-01-22T20:13:58  <aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_Blissett_%28nom_de_plume%29 <-- for reference
2013-01-22T20:13:59  <GateKeeper> Title: Luther Blissett (nom de plume) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
2013-01-22T20:17:50  <wilpig> Fedora project is considering dropping mysql from 19
2013-01-22T20:19:52  <aestetix> wilpig: in favor of postgres?
2013-01-22T20:20:20  <wilpig> mariadb
2013-01-22T20:20:42  <wilpig> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTI4MDY
2013-01-22T20:20:43  <GateKeeper> Title: [Phoronix] Fedora Looks To Replace MySQL With MariaDB (at www.phoronix.com)
2013-01-22T20:21:53  <wilpig> MariaDB is a fork of MySQL that maintains API/ABI compatibility and was started by some of the original MySQL developers.
2013-01-22T20:23:34  <aestetix> huh
2013-01-22T20:23:40  <aestetix> I'm unfamiliar with it
2013-01-22T20:23:49  <aestetix> Any idea how it's different?
2013-01-22T20:23:54  <wilpig> never heard of it til now. looking at it a bit closer.  doing shift change
2013-01-22T20:25:33  <aestetix> http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-57565293-93/instagram-account-crackdown-alarms-members-who-think-theyve-been-hacked/
2013-01-22T20:25:35  <GateKeeper> Title: Instagram account crackdown spreads panic, fear of hacking | Internet & Media - CNET News (at news.cnet.com)
2013-01-22T20:25:38  <aestetix> another example of people doing stupid things on the internet
2013-01-22T20:25:49  <aestetix> Facebook is apparently demanding IDs from people to get their instagram accounts back
2013-01-22T20:30:38  <wilpig> https://kb.askmonty.org/en/mariadb-versus-mysql-compatibility/
2013-01-22T20:30:42  <GateKeeper> Title: MariaDB versus MySQL - Compatibility - AskMonty KnowledgeBase (at kb.askmonty.org)
2013-01-22T20:31:26  <wilpig> This means that for most cases, you can just uninstall MySQL and install MariaDB and you are good to go. (No need to convert any datafiles if you use same main version, like 5.1).
2013-01-22T20:31:29  <wilpig> We do monthly merges with the MySQL code base to ensure we keep up our compatibility and get any and all features and bug fixes Oracle adds.
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2013-01-22T21:01:22  <sdodson> Dolemite: you drive a motorcycle?
2013-01-22T21:01:46  <sdodson> wilpig: apparently fedora is looking at moving to MariaDB next release.
2013-01-22T21:02:00  <sdodson> wilpig: nevermind, you just said that
2013-01-22T21:02:24  <sdodson> aestetix: it's MySQL - Corporate Oracle Greed + Innovation
2013-01-22T21:09:03  <wilpig> sdodson: dolemite and I were just discussing that in WoW
2013-01-22T21:10:14  <sdodson> Play wow, talk about Fedora?
2013-01-22T21:10:23  <sdodson> Facebook loves them some MariaDB.
2013-01-22T21:10:36  <wilpig> play wow discuss whatever comes up.
2013-01-22T21:11:18  * sdodson just waiting for NC State to lose the game so his GF will stop staring at her phone
2013-01-22T21:12:27  <sdodson> not that i want them to lose, but i want her to put town her iphone
2013-01-22T21:12:49  <wilpig> lol
2013-01-22T21:12:53  <Bahhumbug> Unless something's changed FB is still running a 100% strictly mysql infrastructure as far as I know.  Have they migrated to maria?
2013-01-22T21:13:08  <brimstone> or some nosql nonsense?
2013-01-22T21:15:34  <Bahhumbug> Not as far as I've heard.  Still caching 90% of everything in memcached with a mysql backend.  But they may have switched to maria and I've just not heard.
2013-01-22T21:15:41  <aestetix> so
2013-01-22T21:15:58  <aestetix> would mariadb be recommended over say mysql 5.5?
2013-01-22T21:16:22  <sdodson> aestetix: you have a web browser right?
2013-01-22T21:17:55  <aestetix> sdodson: no, I just take in the raw http responses
2013-01-22T21:17:56  <Bahhumbug> I would trust Monty and his team over anything Oracraple maintains.
2013-01-22T21:18:33  <Bahhumbug> Oracle's track records for innovation and maintenance / security updates is, shall we say, lacking?
2013-01-22T21:19:29  <Bahhumbug> My google-fu is weak or there is nothing to be seen for FC migrating off mysql.
2013-01-22T21:19:38  <Bahhumbug> Err FB.
2013-01-22T21:20:01  <brimstone> FC looks like Fedora Core
2013-01-22T21:21:27  <sdodson> From many of their posts it looks like their model is to use and extend MySQL and submit all those patches to MariaDB.
2013-01-22T21:22:09  <aestetix> Hmm.
2013-01-22T21:22:20  <aestetix> It looks like all you have to do is replace the binaries for mysql.
2013-01-22T21:22:35  <Dickie> Sounds hot
2013-01-22T21:22:38  <Bahhumbug> sdodson: That would make the msot sense, yes.
2013-01-22T21:23:06  <Bahhumbug> There is no love lost between FB and Oracraple / Ellison.
2013-01-22T21:23:30  <Bahhumbug> aestetix: If you're running a "modern" mysql that should be all that is needed, yes.
2013-01-22T21:23:43  <aestetix> Bahhumbug: what is modern?
2013-01-22T21:23:49  <aestetix> I think we're running 5.1.64
2013-01-22T21:23:54  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: ready for rhel7 beta?!
2013-01-22T21:24:03  <Bahhumbug> Heh, that's not modern, that's EL.
2013-01-22T21:24:11  <aestetix> I was planning to upgrade to 5.5 though
2013-01-22T21:24:13  <Bahhumbug> sdodson: I'm not touching it.
2013-01-22T21:24:14  <sdodson> 5.5 is really minimum to be considered modern.
2013-01-22T21:24:15  <aestetix> oh heh
2013-01-22T21:24:26  <sdodson> 5.6 is still beta afiak.
2013-01-22T21:24:26  <Bahhumbug> I'll be done with EL after 6 is EOLd.
2013-01-22T21:24:34  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: why?
2013-01-22T21:24:37  <Bahhumbug> Lennart.
2013-01-22T21:24:44  <Bahhumbug> He's fucked up everything he's touched.
2013-01-22T21:24:49  <Bahhumbug> And I'm not playing that game.
2013-01-22T21:24:54  <sdodson> So, what if everyone in the whole world moves to systemd?
2013-01-22T21:25:04  <Bahhumbug> Then I'll roll my own.
2013-01-22T21:25:25  <sdodson> I'm sure Slackware will uses SysV init for the next 40 years.
2013-01-22T21:25:33  <Bahhumbug> Heh, probably.
2013-01-22T21:25:45  <Bahhumbug> Lennart's latest is systemd-cron.
2013-01-22T21:25:48  <Bahhumbug> Seriously.
2013-01-22T21:25:55  <sdodson> whazzat do?
2013-01-22T21:26:03  <Bahhumbug> There is a scalpel with his name on it and a roll of plastic sheeting.
2013-01-22T21:26:30  <Bahhumbug> He wants to take over yet another subsystem and merge it into his ego-driven shit.
2013-01-22T21:27:06  <sdodson> Debian GNU/Linux has packages for systemd in the "testing" branch.[12] There is reluctance amongst developers to make systemd the default, since Debian GNU/kFreeBSD will not work with systemd.[13]
2013-01-22T21:27:29  <sdodson> wikipedia links to a doc from Tim Burke saying it'll be in rhel7.
2013-01-22T21:27:39  <Bahhumbug> I can't find the gnome dev conference where he goes off the rails :/
2013-01-22T21:28:14  <Bahhumbug> Until it's confirmed in the beta it's just words.
2013-01-22T21:28:30  <Bahhumbug> I don't know what the current state of that is as I no longer have RHEL entitlements.
2013-01-22T21:29:02  <Bahhumbug> But I, along with many others, are about done with EL.
2013-01-22T21:29:28  <Bahhumbug> Lennart is being permitted to run rough shod over everything and FESCo has all of one person that is willing to tell him to fuck off.
2013-01-22T21:29:40  <Bahhumbug> (Toshio)
2013-01-22T21:29:52  <Bahhumbug> Everyone else just sits back and takes it.
2013-01-22T21:31:33  <sdodson> I'm a bit surprised how subdued Bill Nottingham is
2013-01-22T21:32:11  <Bahhumbug> I think he's on xanax or something.,
2013-01-22T21:32:21  <Bahhumbug> notting isn't the same guy he was a few years back.
2013-01-22T21:32:39  <sdodson> yeah, he used to be like linville
2013-01-22T21:32:47  <Bahhumbug> Which is actually good because he used to be a raging prick.
2013-01-22T21:32:48  <sdodson> well i don't know if linville has ever been agressive publicly
2013-01-22T21:33:08  <sdodson> Dave Airlie and Ajax can be brutal.
2013-01-22T21:33:08  <Bahhumbug> notting still gets uppity in FESCo meetings.
2013-01-22T21:33:49  <Bahhumbug> So can Richard Jones when he wants to be.  As well as some of the Euros.
2013-01-22T21:34:04  <Bahhumbug> s/some of the/some of the other/
2013-01-22T21:34:11  <sdodson> Richard Jones is cool.
2013-01-22T21:34:17  <Bahhumbug> For the most part.
2013-01-22T21:34:25  <Bahhumbug> He has his bitchy side.
2013-01-22T21:34:39  <Bahhumbug> I wish I had 1/100th of his intellect, however.
2013-01-22T21:35:00  <Bahhumbug> Meh, time to clean litter boxes.
2013-01-22T21:35:02  <Bahhumbug> Back later
2013-01-22T21:35:03  * Bahhumbug &
2013-01-22T21:40:06  <wilpig> Bahhumbug: http://www.litter-robot.com/
2013-01-22T21:40:07  <GateKeeper> Title: Litter-Robot | Self Cleaning Litter Box (at www.litter-robot.com)
2013-01-22T21:41:09  <sdodson> Bahhumbug: his guest fish stuff is awesome
2013-01-22T22:10:28  <Bahhumbug> sdodson: It is extremely cool, yes.
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2013-01-22T23:19:58  <Dagmar> doh
2013-01-22T23:20:06  <Dagmar> Started messaging NotLarry by mistake
2013-01-22T23:20:38  <sdodson> I sometimes sext him by mistake.
2013-01-22T23:22:44  <aestetix> I went to the doctor for a check-up the other day. He told me I needed to stop masturbating. I asked him "why?" And he said, "I'm trying to examine you."
2013-01-22T23:23:09  <Dagmar> oh gawd
2013-01-22T23:23:32  <sdodson> aestetix: true story?
2013-01-22T23:23:41  <aestetix> sdodson: I could never tell a lie.
2013-01-22T23:24:18  <sdodson> It's redeeming to see one of the highest level players recharge things just after you finish taking out some resonators.
2013-01-22T23:24:46  <aestetix> sdodson: was that a euphamism?
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