2012-12-16T01:20:17  *** RangerZ <RangerZ!~rangerz@129.59.203.236> has joined #se2600
2012-12-16T01:36:54  <Dagmar> Wheeee
2012-12-16T01:40:00  <wilpig> ?
2012-12-16T01:41:27  <Dagmar> I just got back from taking the rest of Centennial Park
2012-12-16T01:47:31  <wilpig> lol
2012-12-16T01:47:44  <wilpig> I wish they'd let just anyone check out the map
2012-12-16T01:55:15  <Dagmar> If you scroll up you can see the copy I cut and pasted together over about an hour earlier today to get an idea.
2012-12-16T01:55:21  <Dagmar> Fuck doing it that way again.
2012-12-16T01:55:48  <Dagmar> I'll boot into Linux and figure out how to make X give me a fucking 10000x10000 display rescaled, maximize the goddamn browser, and just take one screenshot.
2012-12-16T01:56:17  <Dagmar> vagina://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/nashville_20121215.jpg
2012-12-16T02:01:13  <wilpig> wiating on it to load
2012-12-16T02:01:21  <er|c> guys i've figured out the answer to these mass shooting problems
2012-12-16T02:01:30  <Dagmar> It's kind of large.
2012-12-16T02:01:34  <Dagmar> ~13Mb or so
2012-12-16T02:01:34  <MxZBot> i don't know, Dagmar
2012-12-16T02:01:34  <er|c> there's one common element to all these events
2012-12-16T02:01:44  <er|c> people! we need to get rid of all people.
2012-12-16T02:01:51  <Dagmar> er|c: A place where people are not allowed to carry guns?
2012-12-16T02:02:09  <Dagmar> You know back in '97 a shooting spree was actually stopped by a principal who just pulled out a fucking fun of his own.
2012-12-16T02:02:13  <er|c> also we need to get rid of schools, churches, sports, and any place where people congregate.
2012-12-16T02:03:58  <Bahhumbug> Yay for that principal.
2012-12-16T02:04:07  <Bahhumbug> Give that man a fucking medal.
2012-12-16T02:10:04  <wilpig> well damn I see there is a portal just outside the commons if I had that shit I could go fuck with it
2012-12-16T02:10:54  <Dagmar> We control it now.
2012-12-16T02:10:59  <Dagmar> I think RangerZ took it earlier
2012-12-16T02:11:10  <Dagmar> http://blairhouse.homeip.net/~dagmar/tmp.jpg
2012-12-16T02:11:28  <Dagmar> I took pretty much all of Centennial and a big slice besides.
2012-12-16T02:11:45  <Dagmar> If they go down there tomorrow and retake it, I can just fucking take it back again for even more AP.
2012-12-16T02:20:08  <aestetix> ok so
2012-12-16T02:20:13  <aestetix> can anyone recommend a good email host?
2012-12-16T02:20:39  <aestetix> I'm really unhappy after the experience I've had with 1and1 and I'm thinking about leaving them.
2012-12-16T02:25:54  <Bahhumbug> 1and1 has a for-shit reputation.
2012-12-16T02:27:57  <Bahhumbug> I have a Xen vm at Equinix-Irvine with Chunk Hosting for reasonable pricing and absolutely no complaints.  http://chunkhost.com/r/gsi-1 if you're interested.
2012-12-16T02:27:58  <GateKeeper> Title: ChunkHost (at chunkhost.com)
2012-12-16T02:28:10  <aestetix> Ok.
2012-12-16T02:28:18  <aestetix> Yeah, I've called 1and1 like five times today
2012-12-16T02:28:23  <aestetix> And they kept giving me lectures on DNS
2012-12-16T02:28:25  <Bahhumbug> (Yep - it's a referal link, I get $5 USD if you decide to go with them after the 30-day trial period.
2012-12-16T02:28:29  <aestetix> I'm like "I know how DNS works..."
2012-12-16T02:29:13  <aestetix> Does chunkhost offer email hosting?
2012-12-16T02:29:27  <Bahhumbug> It's a Xen VM, you set things up how you want.
2012-12-16T02:29:37  <aestetix> Got it.
2012-12-16T02:29:41  <Bahhumbug> I don't know if they have hosted offerings or not to be honest.
2012-12-16T02:29:50  <aestetix> It's all good. Yeah, I don't see any.
2012-12-16T02:29:59  <aestetix> The whole point of this is so I don't have to set things up.
2012-12-16T02:30:06  <aestetix> (I know how to, it's just time consuming)
2012-12-16T02:30:18  <Bahhumbug> Indeed.
2012-12-16T02:31:17  <aestetix> But yeah. 1and1 was claiming that it would take 48 hours to fully propagate DNS.
2012-12-16T02:31:42  <aestetix> And I'm like "Ok, then why does the MX record show up fine when I run dig from two different systems as well as from your own control panel?"
2012-12-16T02:31:54  <aestetix> "Our monitoring tools have not shown it as updated yet"
2012-12-16T02:31:57  <Dagmar> They have a TTL of 160000
2012-12-16T02:32:05  <Dagmar> ...maybe?
2012-12-16T02:32:28  <Dagmar> The negative cache value would have to be ill-advisedly high for that to be an issue
2012-12-16T02:33:18  <aestetix> The thing that really got me is that I was looking at my MX being correct from their own fucking system, and yet the tech was telling me it wasn't updated yet.
2012-12-16T02:34:03  <Bahhumbug> Not to belittle your hosting too much, but we routinely would point and laugh at 1and1 in #centos when people would complain about them.  They are a low-cost yet greedy outfit with poorly trained support staff and a questionable engineering department.
2012-12-16T02:34:35  <aestetix> Bahhumbug: ahem, soon-to-be-former hosting :)
2012-12-16T02:36:09  <aestetix> Bahhumbug: any opinion on 01.com?
2012-12-16T02:36:13  <aestetix> Someone just recommended them on twitter
2012-12-16T02:36:15  <Bahhumbug> Never heard of it.
2012-12-16T02:36:27  <Bahhumbug> Which is likely a good thing.
2012-12-16T02:36:29  <Dagmar> HOSTNAMES SHOULD NOT BE FUCKING NUMBERS.
2012-12-16T02:36:37  <er|c> this is interesting
2012-12-16T02:36:38  <er|c> In the Reconstruction era case of United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875), the defendants were white men who had killed more than sixty black people in what was known as the Colfax massacre and had been charged with conspiring to prevent blacks from exercising their right to bear arms. The Court dismissed the charges, holding that the Bill of Rights restricted Congress but not private individuals. The Court concluded, "[f]or their protection
2012-12-16T02:36:43  <aestetix> Dagmar: yes, that is true.
2012-12-16T02:36:43  <Dagmar> That's straight up a violation of RFC.
2012-12-16T02:36:46  <er|c> The Court stated that "[t]he Second Amendment...has no other effect than to restrict the powers of the national government...." Likewise, the Court held that there was no state action in this case, and therefore the Fourteenth Amendment was not applicable:
2012-12-16T02:36:47  <Bahhumbug> Most of the companies I know off the top of my head these days are ones that sell fake centos.
2012-12-16T02:36:50  <er|c> The fourteenth amendment prohibits a State from depriving any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; but this adds nothing to the rights of one citizen as against another.
2012-12-16T02:36:54  <aestetix> Dagmar: my favorite hostname is "localhost"
2012-12-16T02:37:18  <er|c> if the root servers delegate 01.com then it's not a violation and RFCs are meaningless
2012-12-16T02:37:20  <Dagmar> they really should know better than to have even registerd that
2012-12-16T02:37:40  <Dagmar> ...and may their registrar burn in hell for letting them.
2012-12-16T02:37:49  <aestetix> What about 2600.com? :p
2012-12-16T02:37:52  <er|c> that's not how the internet works
2012-12-16T02:38:03  <Bahhumbug> He's got you there :)
2012-12-16T02:38:26  <Bahhumbug> Um.  I know that building in Chicago.
2012-12-16T02:38:28  <Dagmar> aestetix: I've acutally spoken to EG about that and given him the raised eyebrow
2012-12-16T02:38:42  <er|c> there was also a "requirement" in the RFC to not allow less than 3 char domains
2012-12-16T02:38:51  <Dagmar> At least it's used as www.2600.com
2012-12-16T02:38:53  <er|c> but thats long since been discarded and ignored
2012-12-16T02:39:25  <Bahhumbug> 2600.com still has an A
2012-12-16T02:39:48  <Bahhumbug> Before 3com domains didn't start with a number, either.
2012-12-16T02:39:56  <Bahhumbug> No one bothers to enforce the RFCs anymore.
2012-12-16T02:40:09  <Dagmar> Yep.  There may be resolvers out there that will handle it improperly as well.
2012-12-16T02:40:15  <er|c> so according to that case i quoted the States are free to ban all firearms
2012-12-16T02:40:25  <Dagmar> 2600.nashville.tn.us used to fail hard for the same reason.
2012-12-16T02:40:40  <Bahhumbug> Internationalized domains are going to cause much breakage.
2012-12-16T02:40:41  <aestetix> Which building in chicago?
2012-12-16T02:40:42  <Dagmar> "Four dots?  Check.  First part is all numbers?  Check.  It's an IP address.  No need to resolve it.  FAIL."
2012-12-16T02:41:01  <Dagmar> i18n domains are insane
2012-12-16T02:41:03  <Bahhumbug> 333 W North Avenue.  Address on the registration for 01.com
2012-12-16T02:41:10  <Dagmar> That's going to be just a fucking nightmare.
2012-12-16T02:41:12  <er|c> those computers shouldn't be on the internet anyway
2012-12-16T02:41:14  <aestetix> oh
2012-12-16T02:41:21  <Bahhumbug> Dagmar: yep.
2012-12-16T02:41:37  <Dagmar> They will not be able to keep the greedy fucking registrars from selling lookalike domains, so basically, I expect that shit to wind up just blacklisted.
2012-12-16T02:41:38  <Bahhumbug> Add in the new corporate TLDs and it's a god damned fucking train wreck.
2012-12-16T02:42:06  <er|c> you guys are old
2012-12-16T02:42:11  <Dagmar> We'll just have to start a new DNS network up for IPv6 and say "Fuck you non-engineers"
2012-12-16T02:42:27  <er|c> you should go back to books and magazines and get off the internet
2012-12-16T02:42:30  <Bahhumbug> Yeah, let me know when ipv6 actually means something.
2012-12-16T02:42:33  <aestetix> So, does anyone recommend a service for email hosting? :)
2012-12-16T02:42:50  <er|c> gmail
2012-12-16T02:42:54  <aestetix> That isn't google
2012-12-16T02:42:57  <Dagmar> He hates them.
2012-12-16T02:42:59  <er|c> yahoo
2012-12-16T02:43:07  <aestetix> Hmm.
2012-12-16T02:43:11  <er|c> hotmail
2012-12-16T02:43:13  <Dagmar> You could just get a linode I suppose
2012-12-16T02:43:18  <aestetix> I can't believe I'm actually about to consider yahoo.
2012-12-16T02:43:19  <er|c> outlook.com
2012-12-16T02:43:45  <er|c> yahoo gets hacked all the time
2012-12-16T02:43:50  <Bahhumbug> I've used linode in the past, most recently during the olympics so I could proxy BBC coverage from London.
2012-12-16T02:43:58  <Bahhumbug> I've nothing, at all, bad to say about them.
2012-12-16T02:44:11  <er|c> he asked for an email host not a vps retard
2012-12-16T02:44:23  <Bahhumbug> For what you get, pricing is quite nice.
2012-12-16T02:44:31  <Dagmar> I don't know of anyone doing email hosting entirely properly.
2012-12-16T02:44:49  <Dagmar> Frankly, one's best bet is probably to get a vhost and just run the shit yourself
2012-12-16T02:44:49  <er|c> pobox.com
2012-12-16T02:44:50  <Bahhumbug> I'm actually considering getting back in the field.
2012-12-16T02:45:02  <er|c> aestetix: pobox.com
2012-12-16T02:45:04  <Bahhumbug> Nothing major, just hosting for various people.
2012-12-16T02:45:13  <er|c> in all seriousness
2012-12-16T02:45:28  <Bahhumbug> I already do so at the house for free, but I could always use a few bucks spending money for the month doing it for others.
2012-12-16T02:45:47  <aestetix> Dagmar: I'm trying to avoid that because of all the maintenance issues.
2012-12-16T02:46:03  <Dagmar> Yes, one the one hand we have botheration.
2012-12-16T02:46:05  <Bahhumbug> Dagmar: since '85 or thereabouts I've always done my own hosting for mail.
2012-12-16T02:46:11  <Dagmar> On the other hand we have paying someone else to deal with the botheration
2012-12-16T02:46:13  <Bahhumbug> I've never trusted anyone else to do it for me.
2012-12-16T02:46:34  <er|c> all the perl guys on cpan use pobox.com
2012-12-16T02:46:48  <aestetix> So basically there are two qualifers to a good host for
2012-12-16T02:46:48  <aestetix> me
2012-12-16T02:46:49  <er|c> and a bunch of other folks
2012-12-16T02:46:58  <aestetix> 1. they get up and running easily 2. they fix stuff fast when it breaks
2012-12-16T02:47:04  <aestetix> 1and1 just failed 2. with flying colors
2012-12-16T02:47:12  <er|c> they offer mutt access too
2012-12-16T02:47:14  <Dagmar> Twelve nines of availability, and prescient support staff.
2012-12-16T02:47:16  <wilpig> 1and1 are so bad
2012-12-16T02:47:41  <Dagmar> Dreamhost does a non-suck job at that, but it's all virtual hosts
2012-12-16T02:47:42  <aestetix> pobox actually looks kind of cool
2012-12-16T02:47:42  <Bahhumbug> wilpig: +1 to that
2012-12-16T02:47:54  <er|c> dreamhost is a piece of shit
2012-12-16T02:48:08  <er|c> aestetix: just go with them, honestly
2012-12-16T02:48:13  <Dagmar> Our shit's up when *I* look at it, and that's all I care about
2012-12-16T02:48:17  <aestetix> er|c: have you used them much?
2012-12-16T02:48:18  <wilpig> hey dag, pop into #reddit-nashville and tell those jokers what all ways notlarry and I nearly got ourselves killed by you from minecraft
2012-12-16T02:48:25  <er|c> aestetix: i run an isp, so no
2012-12-16T02:48:28  <Bahhumbug> People rave about dreamhost all the time yet never seem to talk about their downtime.
2012-12-16T02:48:37  <Bahhumbug> It's like it gets swept under the rug.
2012-12-16T02:48:43  <aestetix> er|c: let me rephrase: have you heard much about them?
2012-12-16T02:48:56  <er|c> yes i know several people who do or have worked there
2012-12-16T02:48:59  <aestetix> But yeah. Today was not the day to lose my email.
2012-12-16T02:49:30  <aestetix> Between a few meetups I was attending, a party I wanted to go to tonight, and shmoocon acceptance/rejection letters
2012-12-16T02:49:49  <er|c> Bahhumbug: i monitor dreamhost with pingdom, and their shit goes down all the time
2012-12-16T02:50:12  <er|c> i can forward you the email alarms if you like
2012-12-16T02:50:17  <aestetix> Althouhg none of that was as bad as being on the phone with a so-called support agent telling me DNS would take 48 hours to propagate when I was looking at it updated in their system already, but not working.
2012-12-16T02:50:18  <Dagmar> It's because we're not terribly picky
2012-12-16T02:50:30  <Dagmar> DH's system is really easy to work with, and it's seldom down when *we're* using it.
2012-12-16T02:51:16  <Bahhumbug> aestetix: their system looks at their nameservers.  if ttl's are high the rest of the world won't see it anytime soon :)
2012-12-16T02:51:20  <er|c> DH's admin panel is a pile of garbage with shit smeared into it
2012-12-16T02:51:24  <Bahhumbug> So he _might_ have been accurate in what he was telling you.
2012-12-16T02:51:31  <Bahhumbug> Reading from his script.
2012-12-16T02:52:28  <Dagmar> Wilpig: How do you feel about Bruce?
2012-12-16T02:52:52  <wilpig> seems nice enough, but I haven't really had any real interactions with him just chatted a few times
2012-12-16T02:53:06  <Dagmar> OKay, definitely not the Bruce I was talking about
2012-12-16T02:53:12  <Dagmar> I thought you were in the Brawler's Guild
2012-12-16T02:53:26  <Dagmar> Fucking gator that bites your ass for 300k a pop
2012-12-16T02:53:41  <Dagmar> I beat him because I keep him too busy *EATING MY PETS* to get to me
2012-12-16T02:53:47  <Dagmar> Eating my TANKING pets
2012-12-16T02:54:18  <Dagmar> The first time I just had this vision of him snatching my dwarf up at the ankles and gulping him down whole it was so fast
2012-12-16T02:55:12  <aestetix> er|c: does pobox.com do monthly, or just annual?
2012-12-16T02:55:12  <Dagmar> Pretty much the first time you fight most of those things, unless you have DBM dropping you hints, or you are *very quick* to react to a new gambit, you're just going to die.
2012-12-16T02:55:34  <Dagmar> One of them actually hits you so fucking hard you get knocked offline.
2012-12-16T02:55:41  <Dagmar> ^-- not a joke
2012-12-16T02:56:01  <Dagmar> Some of those fights have mechanics you absolutely MUST avoid, or you fucking die.
2012-12-16T02:56:02  <aestetix> Oh btw, the other super sketchy thing about 1and1
2012-12-16T02:56:12  <aestetix> They wanted my password to help troubleshoot my email
2012-12-16T02:56:22  <Dagmar> WTf
2012-12-16T02:56:26  <Dagmar> Hell no
2012-12-16T02:57:10  <er|c> aestetix: i'm assuming they would pro-rate your service if you cancelled early, but you'd have to ask them about a monthly option
2012-12-16T02:57:27  <aestetix> er|c: ok.
2012-12-16T02:57:54  <er|c> $50 isn't a whole lot
2012-12-16T02:58:17  <er|c> i pay $50/mo to my hackerspace
2012-12-16T02:58:21  <aestetix> It is a lot when it's a week from christmas :p
2012-12-16T02:58:23  <Dagmar> "Keep my money and never call me again, and I won't come down there and rape your housepets;"
2012-12-16T02:58:35  <er|c> aestetix: there's the 30 day free trial
2012-12-16T02:58:48  <aestetix> Oh right.
2012-12-16T02:59:04  <aestetix> But seriously.
2012-12-16T02:59:07  <Dagmar> Change your credit card number to "5".  Just in case.
2012-12-16T02:59:11  <aestetix> Who fucking asks you for your password over the phone?
2012-12-16T02:59:39  <Dagmar> If they're that incompetent they might pull a Funcom and "accidentally" bill you for three months after you cancel
2012-12-16T02:59:41  <er|c> would you prefer they store it in plaintext for any CSR to look up
2012-12-16T03:00:05  <Dagmar> Like encrypting it with a short password is going to be any fucking use
2012-12-16T03:00:24  <er|c> perhaps they could force a password reset every time you cal
2012-12-16T03:00:38  <aestetix> er|c: I would assume they have their own way to check my account :p
2012-12-16T03:01:26  <er|c> honestly you're paying them for the same shit you could setup on a vps
2012-12-16T03:01:40  <Dagmar> If you used a VPS you could at least go in there and mount shit over encfs or something
2012-12-16T03:01:40  <aestetix> er|c: I'm paying them to *maintain* it
2012-12-16T03:01:47  <er|c> and postfix and dovecot don't have an CSR mode feature
2012-12-16T03:02:24  <er|c> you'd be surprised how little you have to do to maintain your own email software
2012-12-16T03:02:50  <er|c> but, i agree, setting it up is a pain in the arse
2012-12-16T03:02:54  <Dagmar> That's something.  It's definitely not much.
2012-12-16T03:03:16  <aestetix> Well the other thing
2012-12-16T03:03:28  <Dagmar> Keep it from eating all the disk, keep it's logs from eating all the disk... Turtle up the rest of the host and call it a day.
2012-12-16T03:03:33  <aestetix> If things break, sometimes it's nice to be able to e yell at someone else :)
2012-12-16T03:03:36  <aestetix> heh
2012-12-16T03:03:55  <Bahhumbug> yelling at someone else only means something if it does any good :)
2012-12-16T03:04:00  <Dagmar> If your email is down you can just write yourself a nasty email.
2012-12-16T03:04:08  <Dagmar> It'll be just like emailing someone else about it.
2012-12-16T03:04:10  <er|c> you'll pay $15-30/month for 1 VPS, which for redundancy for email you'd want 2
2012-12-16T03:04:16  <Bahhumbug> heh
2012-12-16T03:04:17  <er|c> so thats like $60/month
2012-12-16T03:04:34  <er|c> $720/year for email
2012-12-16T03:04:38  <Dagmar> TWO PROVIDERS ENTER.
2012-12-16T03:04:46  <Dagmar> ONLY ONE WILL PREVAIL.
2012-12-16T03:04:57  * aestetix sets up pobox.com
2012-12-16T03:40:23  <RangerZ> I just use Dagmar and Wilpig for my email providers
2012-12-16T03:40:27  <RangerZ> much easier that way
2012-12-16T03:43:02  <Corydon76-home> Who pays $15 per month for a VPS anymore?
2012-12-16T03:43:20  <Corydon76-home> I'm paying $3.49 and that's high.
2012-12-16T03:45:52  <er|c> dear internet
2012-12-16T03:45:56  <er|c> this is the gun
2012-12-16T03:45:57  <er|c> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEKSVXno4D8
2012-12-16T03:45:58  <GateKeeper> Title: Semi Auto Bushmaster .223 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2012-12-16T03:47:02  <Dagmar> That's the type that are illegal in a lot of place.
2012-12-16T03:47:04  <Dagmar> Pistol stock.
2012-12-16T03:47:09  <Dagmar> er places
2012-12-16T03:47:47  <er|c> it says he's in florida
2012-12-16T03:48:05  <er|c> are you saying its not the right gun?
2012-12-16T03:49:23  <er|c> same gun used by the DC sniper
2012-12-16T03:51:19  <er|c> http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=TEKSVXno4D8&p=n#/2;3
2012-12-16T03:51:20  <GateKeeper> Title: InfiniteLooper - Semi Auto Bushmaster .223 (at www.infinitelooper.com)
2012-12-16T03:53:10  <RangerZ> isn't that the one that was used recently in ONE of the recent shootings too?
2012-12-16T03:54:14  <er|c> besides the one that killed 20 kids?
2012-12-16T03:54:25  <RangerZ> yeah
2012-12-16T03:54:45  <RangerZ> he HAD a rifle of some kind, but he only took 4 hand guns into the school
2012-12-16T03:54:55  <RangerZ> 'only'
2012-12-16T03:56:18  <er|c> each kid was shot between 3 and 11 times with the rifle
2012-12-16T03:56:46  <er|c> and the rifle was found beside him
2012-12-16T03:56:53  <er|c> no other guns
2012-12-16T03:57:11  <RangerZ> ok, not what i heard, but *ehh*
2012-12-16T03:57:21  <RangerZ> who knows
2012-12-16T03:57:34  <RangerZ> anyways, he had handguns and a rifle of some sorts
2012-12-16T03:58:21  <er|c> actually this says he killed himself with one of the two pistols
2012-12-16T03:58:42  <er|c> but the kids were still all shot with the rifle
2012-12-16T03:58:55  <er|c> which may as well be a machine gun
2012-12-16T03:59:17  <Corydon76-home> I'm not sure what discussing it is going to help
2012-12-16T03:59:50  <er|c> we're going to ban assault rifles
2012-12-16T04:00:28  <Corydon76-home> And you're going to get that through the House of Representatives, how?
2012-12-16T04:00:30  <RangerZ> no we aren't , b/c too many tea party people exist in the senate and the house
2012-12-16T04:00:48  <er|c> the states can ban them first
2012-12-16T04:00:55  <RangerZ> hell.. i'm in favor of banning guns from colleges, schools, bars
2012-12-16T04:01:04  <Corydon76-home> The solution is far easier:  don't bother banning the guns, ban the bullets
2012-12-16T04:01:07  <RangerZ> but ohio is doing the fucking stupid thing... and allowing you to carry into a bar
2012-12-16T04:01:12  <RangerZ> as long as you don't drink....
2012-12-16T04:01:29  <RangerZ> and debating allowing CCW on college campuses
2012-12-16T04:01:35  <RangerZ> which is NOT going to help anything
2012-12-16T04:01:49  <Corydon76-home> Guns last nearly forever.  Bullets are one-shot-and-done.
2012-12-16T04:02:32  <Corydon76-home> Ban their sale or import, and the problem disappears inside of a year
2012-12-16T04:02:35  <er|c> that seems kind of pointless and dumb to say
2012-12-16T04:03:02  <Corydon76-home> Why?  It's explicitly not banning a firearm, so it's an end-run around the 2nd Amendment
2012-12-16T04:03:17  <er|c> you don't know anything about the 2nd amendment
2012-12-16T04:03:39  <er|c> you don't even own a gun
2012-12-16T04:04:01  <Corydon76-home> "A well-regulated militia being necessary...the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
2012-12-16T04:05:55  <Corydon76-home> By not banning lead pellets or gunpowder, persons are welcome to make the bullets that they fire from their own guns
2012-12-16T04:06:29  <Corydon76-home> and hobbyists and true enthusiasts will be able to do that
2012-12-16T04:06:35  <er|c> go read the wiki page on the second amendment and then lets talk
2012-12-16T04:06:52  <er|c> so at least we can have an informed discussion
2012-12-16T04:07:01  <Corydon76-home> I wasn't aware that the Constitution was editable via a wiki
2012-12-16T04:07:14  <RangerZ> actually it always has
2012-12-16T04:07:23  <RangerZ> via the ammendments system
2012-12-16T04:07:27  <RangerZ> lol
2012-12-16T04:07:41  <RangerZ> just their "wiki" took horses and such to travel
2012-12-16T04:08:00  <Corydon76-home> Their Wiki also requires 3/4ths of the states to approve all edits
2012-12-16T04:08:05  <er|c> exactly which is why we should pass a new amendment to ban all guns outside of state militias and national military
2012-12-16T04:10:24  <er|c> we can also go back to using the uniform militia act which requires everyone to serve, and include civil service as an option
2012-12-16T04:10:43  <er|c> send people to other countries to see what the world is like elsewhere
2012-12-16T04:11:01  <RangerZ> actually er|c thats not goign to solve things
2012-12-16T04:11:12  <er|c> then maybe their shallow retarded monkey brains can comprehend the problems they're ignoring
2012-12-16T04:12:08  <er|c> because i can tell you with certaintly that putting god in the pledge of allegiance is not going to do fuckall for the next batch of kids who get shot with an assault rifle
2012-12-16T04:12:48  <Corydon76-home> The real solution is single payer health care that covers mental health.
2012-12-16T04:12:48  <RangerZ> mandatory military service (conscientious observer status is fine) where they are trained in gun safety, maint, etc . for ALL us  , including mormons and amish
2012-12-16T04:12:57  <RangerZ> would solve a LOT of problems
2012-12-16T04:12:59  * Bahhumbug decides to unignore to see what this is all about
2012-12-16T04:13:30  <er|c> Bahhumbug: no one cares what you think dimwit
2012-12-16T04:13:40  <Bahhumbug> blow me, troll
2012-12-16T04:13:56  <er|c> ask Corydon76-home thats his job
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2012-12-16T04:16:42  <Corydon76-home> My job isn't blowing any guy who comes along
2012-12-16T04:18:37  <RangerZ> thankfully Bahhumbug isn't just 'any guy' lol
2012-12-16T04:29:55  <Bahhumbug> Corydon76-home: Don't feed the trolls.  Let them starve under their bridges, rot, and stop polluting our planet.
2012-12-16T04:30:36  <wilpig> that'll never happen, fox news has too many sponsors
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2012-12-16T09:01:32  * blackmath wakes up. 
2012-12-16T09:01:52  <wilpig> lies
2012-12-16T09:02:06  <blackmath> heh
2012-12-16T09:02:19  <wilpig> so how is blackmath different from whitemath?
2012-12-16T09:02:38  <blackmath> Not much different. Maybe just a shade.
2012-12-16T09:03:23  <blackmath> Or several.
2012-12-16T09:05:23  <blackmath> speaking of different, I dug the new hotel for PN this year
2012-12-16T09:07:17  * blackmath wonders if the hotel felt them same about PN
2012-12-16T09:07:23  <wilpig> so so
2012-12-16T09:07:33  <wilpig> we have a few points still to iron out
2012-12-16T09:19:07  <blackmath> cool. no flying chairs or pink-bubbled pool, at least.
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2012-12-16T09:30:42  <wilpig> yeah.  having the children around might have prevented at least one of those
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2012-12-16T15:22:58  <Dagmar> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIKv1AXUmOk
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2012-12-16T18:34:09  <sdodson_> blackmath: what's black math?
2012-12-16T18:34:52  <sdodson_> I see that this question has just been asked.
2012-12-16T18:34:58  <sdodson_> well, just 9 hours ago
2012-12-16T19:38:45  <er|c> its math with 50 shades of grey
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2012-12-16T19:56:47  <sdodson_> er|c: is that book good?
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2012-12-16T23:25:43  <RangerZ> Dagmar: I linked the heck out of the area near the science center and the graveyard (had to be careful where i walked there....)
2012-12-16T23:31:27  <wilpig> graveyard?
2012-12-16T23:37:02  <RangerZ> "the nashville graveyard" apparently there is a specific one named that
2012-12-16T23:37:36  <RangerZ> where they buried the confederates after the "ass whooping the south deserved"
2012-12-16T23:37:38  <RangerZ> *cough*
2012-12-16T23:37:42  <RangerZ> sorry, civil war
2012-12-16T23:37:49  <RangerZ> lol
2012-12-16T23:43:53  <wilpig> lol
2012-12-16T23:47:35  <sdodson_> The south will rise again!
2012-12-16T23:47:37  <sdodson_> just you wait!
2012-12-16T23:47:53  <sdodson_> I'm not even sure if North Carolina is considered the south.
2012-12-16T23:49:02  <RangerZ> nope
2012-12-16T23:49:11  <RangerZ> it switched sides 1/2 through the war
2012-12-16T23:49:25  <wilpig> so it's a state full of traitors?
2012-12-16T23:49:27  <RangerZ> so NC is the only 'southern' state that 'won'
2012-12-16T23:49:41  <RangerZ> they didn't care for war either way
2012-12-16T23:49:50  <wilpig> Benedict Dodson
2012-12-16T23:50:05  <sdodson_> beenadick?
2012-12-16T23:50:15  <wilpig> or that  haha
2012-12-16T23:50:20  <sdodson_> I've only ever beenadick to Dagmar
2012-12-16T23:50:29  <sdodson_> well, and others, but i was young back then
2012-12-16T23:52:52  <wilpig> dodson there are kids on your lawn
2012-12-16T23:53:14  <sdodson_> I have .08 acres of land, not much lawn to be had.