2012-11-18T00:04:41  <opticron> gonna have to side with aestetix on this one
2012-11-18T00:05:28  <RangerZ> I have a second for the motion is there a third? I give third to the motion, we will now put the motion up to vote before the council
2012-11-18T00:08:20  <wilpig> I move that aestetix is full of shit and there is no vagina present.
2012-11-18T00:10:40  <frsilent> any rifle owners? looking to get something along the lines of a remington 700 but came across this http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_93/1046011_Low_Budget_308_rifle_Heavy_barrel__485.html
2012-11-18T00:10:41  <GateKeeper> Title: Low Budget 308 rifle Heavy barrel $485 - AR15.COM (at www.ar15.com)
2012-11-18T00:13:30  <RangerZ> problem is how much 'work' has he done to it... and was it 'right'
2012-11-18T00:15:08  <frsilent> yeah I was looking at a bit of that; good thing with private sellers is I can talk to him on the phone probably & find out if he knows what he's doing
2012-11-18T00:15:37  <frsilent> I was a designated marksman overseas so know enough at least to know if someone's full of it
2012-11-18T00:15:46  <RangerZ> i'm not knowledgeable enough to tell if others really are, or making up BS
2012-11-18T00:15:54  <RangerZ> i just stick with people i know are good
2012-11-18T00:16:06  <frsilent> mhmm
2012-11-18T00:16:15  <frsilent> I'm pretty wary of it but could be a cheap starter rifle
2012-11-18T00:16:20  <frsilent> just miss shooting bolt
2012-11-18T00:16:30  <frsilent> & a LR rifle
2012-11-18T00:54:49  <RangerZ> god posting to craigslist has become a PITA
2012-11-18T00:55:15  <RangerZ> "OMG someone might sell sex" ugh
2012-11-18T00:57:15  <frsilent> lol
2012-11-18T01:03:39  <Dagmar> Fuck
2012-11-18T01:03:51  <Dagmar> http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20121117/16492521084/that-was-fast-hollywood-already-browbeat-republicans-into-retracting-report-copyright-reform.shtml
2012-11-18T01:03:52  <GateKeeper> Title: That Was Fast: Hollywood Already Browbeat The Republicans Into Retracting Report On Copyright Reform | Techdirt (at www.techdirt.com)
2012-11-18T01:10:07  <RangerZ> finally made a craigslist for these 42u/20u racks i have , and this 1u server, that i'm selling off to make room, get some $    http://nashville.craigslist.org/sys/3417752701.html
2012-11-18T01:10:08  <GateKeeper> Title: 42u, 20u Racks & a 1u server for sale (at nashville.craigslist.org)
2012-11-18T01:10:59  <RangerZ> if you know anyone in nashville area who might be interested, please pass it along
2012-11-18T01:46:33  <wilpig> well I got me a 32gb wii-u
2012-11-18T01:46:52  <wilpig> walmart near my apt got in 4.  all four sold right at midnight
2012-11-18T01:57:04  <RangerZ> thats cool
2012-11-18T01:57:33  <RangerZ> i really had not intention of getting one, but hopefully it turns out to be worth it in the future for me
2012-11-18T01:58:52  <wilpig> i'll let you know how it works out
2012-11-18T02:11:43  <aestetix> haha
2012-11-18T02:43:49  <wilpig> but not you liar liar vagina on fire
2012-11-18T02:47:16  <RangerZ> it really depends on the online system and the games that come out for it
2012-11-18T02:47:27  <RangerZ> since it has the power to push the video now... and HDMI
2012-11-18T02:50:34  <wilpig> the games are looking good for launch at least
2012-11-18T02:50:49  <wilpig> the video is what I am curious on because the details on that have been very scarce
2012-11-18T02:51:06  <wilpig> I'll hook it up when I get home this morning and see just how much integration it will really do
2012-11-18T03:06:31  <Dagmar> [Wow's 8th Anniversary]
2012-11-18T03:06:45  <wilpig> is that tonight?  sad
2012-11-18T03:07:00  <wilpig> guess I should log in and get that
2012-11-18T03:07:28  <wilpig> I did just make a really neat timezone selector for this opendcim thing.
2012-11-18T03:17:05  <wilpig> nice of them to send a 1hr buff for that
2012-11-18T03:17:36  <wilpig> too bad my main doesn't get xp or rep from kills anymore
2012-11-18T03:21:00  <Dagmar> You get a buff thingy that has to be used in the next two weeks, and it makes your tabard a WoW tabard for the duration
2012-11-18T03:21:29  <Dagmar> Pilgrim's BOunty also starts in another 40m, like anyone cares about it
2012-11-18T03:25:49  <wilpig> the food you get from that isn't bad
2012-11-18T03:25:55  <wilpig> % based food is always nice
2012-11-18T03:38:44  <Dagmar> Archaeology gives a lot of stuff
2012-11-18T03:39:25  <Dagmar> Today I got the flying hubcap, the quilen hound trinket, a polearm I can't use, a clockwork gnome, the Innkeeper's Daughter hearthstone, and a shitload of achievements
2012-11-18T03:40:40  <Dagmar> I think I've almost convinced most of the guild they don't need to automatically say grats after every little achievement
2012-11-18T03:41:01  <Dagmar> Some of them were trying to raid and I was tripping one off about every two minutes for the last few hours
2012-11-18T03:45:26  <wilpig> I have the trinket, never gotten the damned gnome
2012-11-18T03:45:49  <wilpig> I want to say i've gotten the hearthstone but trashed it cause it shared a cooldown with the regular one?
2012-11-18T03:46:05  <Dagmar> It summons a ghostly dwarf girl
2012-11-18T03:46:13  <wilpig> guess I didn't then
2012-11-18T03:46:33  <Dagmar> So, it's basically a hearthstone with a graphical side effect
2012-11-18T03:47:00  <wilpig> I should do more dwarf digging.  never really did much of those
2012-11-18T03:47:48  <aestetix> ugh
2012-11-18T03:48:02  <aestetix> I'm so used to games that autosave, it really sucks when I forget to save and a game crashes
2012-11-18T03:48:10  * aestetix waves good bye to about 30 minutes of progress
2012-11-18T03:48:17  <wilpig> http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/mal%27ganis/Evilpig/achievement#169:15071:a5470
2012-11-18T03:48:19  <GateKeeper> Title: Achievements - Community - World of Warcraft (at us.battle.net)
2012-11-18T03:48:53  <wilpig> I'm close to differest.
2012-11-18T03:48:58  <wilpig> diggerest
2012-11-18T03:51:36  <Dagmar> Sweet.  WAlking Deed EP5 is coming out on Wednesday
2012-11-18T03:51:40  <Dagmar> (the video game)
2012-11-18T04:46:04  <wilpig> I want to strangle the windows admins that can't set reasonable times for the windows patching in nagios
2012-11-18T04:46:20  <wilpig> I'm tired of hearing "host down", "service critical", etc
2012-11-18T05:14:43  <aestetix> haha
2012-11-18T05:14:55  <aestetix> I can't imagine administering windows systems
2012-11-18T05:15:01  <aestetix> that would be such a nightmare
2012-11-18T06:56:49  <Dagmar> It's kinda sad they're not smart enough to set the hosts into maintenance mode
2012-11-18T07:57:18  <MaxieZ> Did you see Mitnick's tips for Macafee?  I like, "Don't hack Shimamora.  He may need a new book deal
2012-11-18T08:16:27  <wilpig> son of a bitch!  I've been hunting this weird ass bug for the last hour and was stumped by an L
2012-11-18T08:16:56  <wilpig> $PDUList  != $PDUlist   the difference was so small that it didn't even register
2012-11-18T08:17:08  <MaxieZ> Sorry.  I get it.
2012-11-18T08:17:36  <scribbles> How was attendance at PN16?
2012-11-18T08:17:40  <MaxieZ> I had a regext the other day that was like O'v0 or something and just knew it was the quote fucking me up.
2012-11-18T08:18:05  <MaxieZ> and that one was fine, the one below had an unescapped ? and that was the problem the whole time.
2012-11-18T08:18:45  <MaxieZ> scribbles: I don't have numbers, but it seemed good.
2012-11-18T08:19:18  <MaxieZ> At dc404, Scott Moulton gave his skydogcon talk.  Someguy was like, "Skydogcon?  Isn't that the one everybody hates?"
2012-11-18T08:19:21  <MaxieZ> heh
2012-11-18T08:19:42  <wilpig> scribbles: uhhhhh I need to get with Corydon76-home and get an actual figure for that
2012-11-18T08:21:32  <wilpig> https://github.com/samilliken/openDCIM/blob/fec30b4086af7660846ba8018b4dcd95f7f07ab2/power.inc.php#L397  <-- that line was the cause of so many dead brain cells
2012-11-18T08:21:33  <GateKeeper> Title: openDCIM/power.inc.php at fec30b4086af7660846ba8018b4dcd95f7f07ab2 · samilliken/openDCIM · GitHub (at github.com)
2012-11-18T08:22:10  <wilpig> I had an error log full of "PHP Warning:  Creating default object from empty value in" because of that
2012-11-18T08:28:53  <scribbles> nice
2012-11-18T09:12:32  <Dagmar> I can't believe they're going to continue to sell the Wii
2012-11-18T09:12:52  <Dagmar> I guess $130 is a pretty fucking low barrier to market tho
2012-11-18T09:24:47  <wilpig> initial thoughts on the wii-u.
2012-11-18T09:25:06  <wilpig> setup was straight forward, much easier than the 3ds.
2012-11-18T09:25:29  <wilpig> it wasnice that it copied my Mii from my 3ds but would have been nicer if it would have offered to copy from one of my wiimotes instead
2012-11-18T09:25:48  <wilpig> needs a system update right out of the box, expected but annoying.
2012-11-18T09:26:15  <wilpig> the update is done via the main controller, which came almost completely dead so it is on the charger now.
2012-11-18T09:27:00  <wilpig> the tv remote is lacking heavily.  it did find my off brand tv and cable box easily though.  it doesn't give you an option to control sound on a device other than the tv.
2012-11-18T09:27:22  <Dagmar> Where'd you get yours from?
2012-11-18T09:27:26  <wilpig> and there is no option to retrain a command via an existing remote so that you could override such nonsense
2012-11-18T09:27:34  <Dagmar> People are already trying to scalp the things on Craigslist
2012-11-18T09:27:36  <wilpig> walmart at midnight last night.  the one at 100 oaks
2012-11-18T09:27:56  <Dagmar> I figure Nintendo is going to do like with the Wii and just make sure shitloads of them are available
2012-11-18T09:28:28  <wilpig> the wii had shortages, this will have them too but nintendo said they have put out doube the amount of wii-u's than they did wii's
2012-11-18T09:28:50  <Dagmar> It took a *while* for the Wii's to all sell out
2012-11-18T09:29:11  <wilpig> well walmart had four of these last night and all four left at midnight.  I got #4
2012-11-18T09:29:26  <Dagmar> Best buy will probably get in a pallet
2012-11-18T09:29:28  <wilpig> they only got in two copies of super mario-u
2012-11-18T09:29:56  <wilpig> call around and see.  but I wouldn't bet on it
2012-11-18T09:30:17  <wilpig> supposedly gamestop only got two extra to sell over here other than their pre-orders
2012-11-18T09:32:15  <wilpig> I found it slightly odd that the sound defaulted to stereo instead of surround when it detected it was connected via hdmi
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2012-11-18T11:22:42  <RangerZ> most HDMI is right into TVs now, not surround sound systems
2012-11-18T11:22:53  <RangerZ> so that makes sense
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2012-11-18T14:34:22  <peace> omg my employer just sent me my username and password
2012-11-18T14:34:25  <peace>  in plaintext
2012-11-18T14:34:30  <peace> what fucking newbs
2012-11-18T14:34:31  <brimstone> that's so nice of them
2012-11-18T14:34:35  <brimstone> you don't have to crack it now
2012-11-18T14:34:57  <peace> I haven't even started work yet. Is it too early to file a complaint?
2012-11-18T14:35:10  <brimstone> how else could they have gotten you the password?
2012-11-18T14:35:17  <brimstone> print it and leave it at your desk?
2012-11-18T14:35:29  <peace> they shouldn't be giving me a fucking password at all
2012-11-18T14:35:50  <peace> if I created the account it's my responsiblity to keep up with the information
2012-11-18T14:36:02  <peace> if they made me a temp password, fine
2012-11-18T14:36:45  <peace> absolutely no one should have unhashed password tables
2012-11-18T14:36:56  <peace> with no exception
2012-11-18T14:51:06  <Corydon76-home> peace:  I'd add to that "or without random salts of sufficient length"
2012-11-18T14:52:18  <Corydon76-home> The first job at which I had control of password storage, I had a manager tell me, "I _like_ being able to see passwords."
2012-11-18T14:52:52  <Corydon76-home> Unfortunately, she's still working in IT at a major university.
2012-11-18T14:59:54  <RangerZ> anyone want that 20u rack for 60$ ? before i sell it off for 75$ (i'd rather it go to the community)
2012-11-18T15:00:59  <RangerZ> 75
2012-11-18T15:01:11  <RangerZ> whoops
2012-11-18T15:02:30  <peace> Corydon76-home: email already sent. I just said use Sha-3. I was sending it to the HR lady anyway
2012-11-18T15:02:39  <peace> she's not going to have a clue what I'm talking about
2012-11-18T15:03:22  <Corydon76-home> I'd have to look up SHA-3, as well.  What's the bit length of the hash?
2012-11-18T15:03:32  <brimstone> isn't that the new one?
2012-11-18T15:04:15  <peace> brinstone: yes
2012-11-18T15:05:42  <Corydon76-home> Even MD-5 is still secure for passwords.  The problem with it has nothing to do with the security of the hash; it's in the ability of the ability to generate two different documents with the same hash.
2012-11-18T15:05:57  <peace> Corydon76-home: 1600bit max if I understand correctly
2012-11-18T15:06:55  <Corydon76-home> That's a mite bit abusive.  SHA-512 should be sufficient for the maximum life of a password
2012-11-18T15:09:19  <peace> which is how long?
2012-11-18T15:11:08  <Corydon76-home> For a password of sufficient length, it's not unreasonable to suggest that it could last as long as 10 years.
2012-11-18T15:13:07  <peace> I'd shoot for security in perpetuity
2012-11-18T15:13:34  <Corydon76-home> For documents, perhaps, but passwords only need to be secure for as long as they're in use
2012-11-18T15:13:55  <Corydon76-home> and security in perpetuity is an impossible goal.
2012-11-18T15:14:47  <Corydon76-home> Refer to MC Frontalot.  "You can't hide secrets from the future with math."
2012-11-18T15:14:51  <peace> thats why I said shoot for
2012-11-18T15:15:16  <peace> err on the side of paranoia
2012-11-18T15:15:34  <peace> pascal's wager that shit nigga
2012-11-18T15:16:31  <Corydon76-home> What we've learned from quantum computing means that as soon as that becomes a practical reality, we're going to have to seriously rethink many of our encryption algorithms.
2012-11-18T15:17:30  <peace> that's true
2012-11-18T15:17:50  <Corydon76-home> 10 years is a reasonable timeframe to plan for, maybe 25 years at the longest.  Anything longer than that is a fool's wager.
2012-11-18T15:18:39  <peace> lol nice riposte
2012-11-18T15:44:47  * sdodson_ ups the encryption on his secret messages to Corydon76-home 
2012-11-18T15:45:30  <Corydon76-home> They're so secret, even I don't know about them!
2012-11-18T15:45:49  <sdodson_> I only encrypted them with my key.
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2012-11-18T16:28:12  <peace> Sloppy dicks! This sunday is boring as hell
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2012-11-18T17:07:40  <RangerZ> http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/11/romney-campaign-got-its-it-from-best-buy-staples-and-friends/
2012-11-18T17:07:41  <GateKeeper> Title: Romney campaign got its IT from Best Buy, Staples, and friends | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
2012-11-18T17:07:41  <RangerZ> lol
2012-11-18T17:12:04  <sdodson_> Bain invested in Staples. Dunno aboot Best Buy.
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2012-11-18T18:58:13  <aestetix> well duh
2012-11-18T18:58:20  <aestetix> Staples employees are elite
2012-11-18T20:14:56  <wilpig> http://pastebin.com/T14rqDz5   <-- LOL
2012-11-18T20:14:57  <GateKeeper> Title: GRIFFIN v. JONES, ET AL; Case No. 5:12cv-163 - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
2012-11-18T20:15:01  <wilpig> Fry fat boy, fry.
2012-11-18T20:31:51  <brimstone> Cisco Acquires Enterprise Wi-Fi Startup Meraki For $1.2 Billion In Cash http://t.co/fKJBqKz5
2012-11-18T20:31:52  <GateKeeper> Title: Cisco Acquires Enterprise Wi-Fi Startup Meraki For $1.2 Billion In Cash | TechCrunch (at t.co)
2012-11-18T20:36:52  <aestetix> vagina
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2012-11-18T20:54:40  <sdodson_> brimstone: is that who you work for?
2012-11-18T20:54:51  <brimstone> nope
2012-11-18T20:55:37  <sdodson_> brimstone: don't lie
2012-11-18T20:55:42  <brimstone> k
2012-11-18T20:55:45  <brimstone> still not though
2012-11-18T20:55:52  <sdodson_> I mean, unrelated to the present conversation.
2012-11-18T20:55:53  <brimstone> never worked for a company that got bought
2012-11-18T20:55:55  <brimstone> :/
2012-11-18T20:56:21  <sdodson_> It's just a good principle to live by.
2012-11-18T20:59:45  <wilpig> heh.  alton brown + mythbusters = thanksgiving meal cooked by engine block
2012-11-18T21:13:58  <ZombieChicken> Not impressed. I'll be impressed if they cook it with liquid nitrogen
2012-11-18T21:19:35  <wilpig> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/internet/9684797/David-Cameron-orders-new-curbs-on-internet-porn.html    Lame
2012-11-18T21:19:36  <GateKeeper> Title: David Cameron 'orders new curbs on internet porn' - Telegraph (at www.telegraph.co.uk)
2012-11-18T21:19:38  <wilpig> "The new measures will mean that in future anyone buying a new computer or signing up with a new internet service provider (ISP) will be asked, when they log on for the first time, whether they have children. If the answer is "yes", the parent will be taken through the process of installing anti-pornography filters, as well as a series of questions on how stringent they wish the restrictions to be, according to a newspaper."
2012-11-18T21:28:50  <wilpig> wtf.  I exit out of firefox and the memory and processor usage of it go up
2012-11-18T21:31:07  <RangerZ> well... it has to garbage collect
2012-11-18T21:31:21  <RangerZ> so its probably cleaning up cache/etc
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2012-11-18T22:29:56  <RangerZ> so anyone else a big gamer (or former one)
2012-11-18T22:29:57  <RangerZ> ?
2012-11-18T22:30:46  <frsilent> eh, kind of
2012-11-18T22:30:59  <frsilent> when I was in high school I was really into competitive counter-strike
2012-11-18T22:31:02  <RangerZ> I'm really intrigued by the progress of Star Citizen, its progressing mush farther than I thought it would, already passed 5million in crowd funding support
2012-11-18T22:31:06  <frsilent> but don't have much time to game anymore these days
2012-11-18T22:31:47  <RangerZ> yeah, me neither, i play Assassin's creed, and thats about it
2012-11-18T22:32:25  <RangerZ> I bought Diablo 3  and played the hell out of it for a month or so...then 'shelved' it, it got boring and i'll just play again in the future, lol (yay for F2P games)
2012-11-18T22:32:54  <frsilent> same thing with me & GW2; figure it'll be fun when I have time
2012-11-18T22:33:20  <frsilent> finally installed Fallout 3 after having it on steam for a year so getting to play that this week since I took off of work
2012-11-18T22:33:39  <RangerZ> but yeah... you should look at what all they have done for Star Citizen, the game looks sickeningly good (atleast to me)
2012-11-18T22:34:08  <RangerZ> space sim fighting game, with exploration/trading/bounty hunting/ pirating
2012-11-18T22:34:27  <RangerZ> boarding enemy ships, FPS combat inside/outside the ship
2012-11-18T22:34:49  <RangerZ> all possible b/c they are using the crytek3 engine
2012-11-18T22:35:07  <RangerZ> so they get the FPS/'vehicle' stuff all for free
2012-11-18T22:35:16  <frsilent> hm, I might
2012-11-18T22:35:25  <frsilent> I'm not a big "mmo" or epic gamer though
2012-11-18T22:35:34  <frsilent> generally like small 5v5 type games like cs or dota
2012-11-18T22:35:45  <RangerZ> its not an MMO, it has single player, you can host your own server
2012-11-18T22:36:03  <RangerZ> there is just a persistant game that they will host themselves too
2012-11-18T22:36:33  <RangerZ> but yeah, i know what you mean "session" playing in SC2 is very helpful for self limiting , lol
2012-11-18T23:21:41  <wilpig> wow
2012-11-18T23:22:05  <wilpig> so I was just talking with the operators and heard a story about a guy that was "strictly dickly"
2012-11-18T23:27:58  <LastChild> Please clarify that the story didn't come from me
2012-11-18T23:28:12  <RangerZ> wtf is that...
2012-11-18T23:28:15  <wilpig> haha
2012-11-18T23:28:37  <wilpig> it was the other operator talking about her prom date being gay
2012-11-18T23:28:54  <RangerZ> ahh urban dictionary to the rescue
2012-11-18T23:29:19  <wilpig> we also learned that "friend friend" is code for fuck buddy
2012-11-18T23:29:59  <aestetix> vagina
2012-11-18T23:31:23  <wilpig> aestetix: i'll send you my address so you can have one delivered, kthx
2012-11-18T23:31:38  <LastChild> ship it COD
2012-11-18T23:36:16  <RangerZ> maybe you can Amazon it
2012-11-18T23:36:45  <RangerZ> and have it delivered to a local staples amazon locker for him
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2012-11-18T23:41:05  <wilpig> oh god.  lol.  I just destroyed two clowns in wow.
2012-11-18T23:41:25  <wilpig> warrior and not sur what the other was but he died with like three hits.  it was ridiculous