2012-10-17T00:00:02  <CNwaV> and the hookers had all the crab legs you could eat
2012-10-17T00:01:09  <thratchen> I liked it, it was close to East Nasty, which has killer food
2012-10-17T00:01:51  <CNwaV> real phreaknicers get their sustinance from a bottle
2012-10-17T00:02:22  <CNwaV> s/sustinance/sustenance
2012-10-17T00:05:23  <thratchen> agreed, food is for when you are recovering
2012-10-17T00:07:08  <thratchen> I'll probably go to PN for Tom's rant
2012-10-17T00:07:16  <wilpig_> thratchen: the boro is just a suburb of nashville
2012-10-17T00:07:17  <thratchen> love that shit
2012-10-17T00:08:05  <thratchen> until it gets annexed, it's still the boro
2012-10-17T00:08:28  <wilpig_> it's also not the ghetto.  ;)
2012-10-17T00:09:33  <thratchen> what's ghetto? when I moved into 12th south we had a crack house one street over. but that's long gone.
2012-10-17T00:09:43  <aestetix> thratchen: and for my talk, of course :)
2012-10-17T00:09:49  <thratchen> the pimp next door moved out too
2012-10-17T00:09:57  <thratchen> much less ghetto now
2012-10-17T00:09:59  <wilpig_> thratchen: the days inn stadium was in the ghetto.
2012-10-17T00:10:05  <thratchen> oh, yea, that was.
2012-10-17T00:11:22  <thratchen> what is your talk about Aestetex? I can't really tell from the site.
2012-10-17T00:12:19  <wilpig_> did I not put a good description up there?  I'll fix later.  got a few minutes to finish a job before mongo shows up to dumb the room down
2012-10-17T00:13:35  <thratchen> Oh, I see it now
2012-10-17T00:15:06  <thratchen> Dagmar has some interesting Google plus experiences
2012-10-17T00:15:18  <aestetix> yep
2012-10-17T00:15:23  <aestetix> A lot of people do.
2012-10-17T00:15:36  <aestetix> It's not just Google Plus though. There's a really unfortunate paradigm going on right now.
2012-10-17T00:17:32  <RangerZ> https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/389550_481054775250561_850238318_n.jpg this was honestly one of the most odd transitions
2012-10-17T00:17:42  <RangerZ> i honestly don't get that weapon = married before birth
2012-10-17T00:22:54  <thratchen> I'm really not fond of Facebook's identity paradigm either.
2012-10-17T00:23:23  <RangerZ> did you see the "tattle tale on you friends" page?
2012-10-17T00:23:31  <thratchen> their paradigm == use our service for free and we make lot of crash on your data.
2012-10-17T00:23:34  <RangerZ> where you can claim that a name isn't a person's real name
2012-10-17T00:23:41  <thratchen> yep
2012-10-17T00:23:48  <thratchen> do you know why that's important to them?
2012-10-17T00:24:01  <thratchen> lots of reasons of course
2012-10-17T00:24:18  <thratchen> they make a lot of $ on big data from that data
2012-10-17T00:24:21  <RangerZ> yeah
2012-10-17T00:24:43  <thratchen> hear about any of the non-marketting uses?
2012-10-17T00:25:30  <aestetix> RangerZ: yep. They also called it snitchgate.
2012-10-17T00:26:39  <aestetix> There are a few reasons I can think of that Google and Facebook are pushing legal names, and they are all either misguided or focused on controlling people.
2012-10-17T00:26:48  <thratchen> my favorite use is that the banking industry has figured out that your friends are a better indicator to your credit trustworthiness. if you have friends with bad credit, you are likely a credit risk.
2012-10-17T00:27:20  <thratchen> So, think about that.
2012-10-17T00:27:37  <wilpig_> Using that theory they'd assume I have bad credit
2012-10-17T00:27:49  <wilpig_> or at least that I am a credit risk.  I just have many stupid friends
2012-10-17T00:27:58  <thratchen> yep
2012-10-17T00:28:33  <thratchen> yes, but if the approach is better then your credit scores, then it's useful
2012-10-17T00:28:56  <thratchen> it doesn't have to be 100% to be better then the 3 credit scores
2012-10-17T00:29:12  <thratchen> which are largely a trailing indicator
2012-10-17T00:29:41  <aestetix> At least the credit score is more transparent than, say, klout
2012-10-17T00:30:10  <thratchen> that's true
2012-10-17T00:30:23  <aestetix> It is amusing that a "reputation company" refuses to release their algorithms
2012-10-17T00:30:28  <thratchen> but, if banks start using other sources, are they transparent?
2012-10-17T00:30:54  <aestetix> So, one of the big issues I have with credit in general is lack of agency.
2012-10-17T00:31:05  <thratchen> agreed
2012-10-17T00:31:17  <thratchen> very little transparency
2012-10-17T00:31:21  <aestetix> By which I mean... let's say you work at a bank and someone asks you if they can take out a loan.
2012-10-17T00:32:00  <aestetix> How much of the decision do you actually get to make, and how much does an algorithm make for you?
2012-10-17T00:33:02  <aestetix> A lot of other issues come into this. Another example: let's say you're a schoolteacher, and then one day one of your students discovers you were in porn 10 years ago, and shows it to the principal, causing you to get fired.
2012-10-17T00:33:09  <thratchen> the data and algorithm makes the decission
2012-10-17T00:33:54  <aestetix> The bank example is about outsourcing decisions to algorithms, the teacher example is more privacy/transparency issues that connectivity brings.
2012-10-17T00:34:08  <aestetix> One is reason without emotion, the other is emotion without reason :)
2012-10-17T00:35:47  <thratchen> they are using algorithms today with the credit bureaus. So, that's really does happen today.
2012-10-17T00:36:38  <thratchen> the issue is at least there are laws around that data and the related score. with other sources of data, I'm not sure if that transparency is really required (e.g. why was I denied etc.)
2012-10-17T00:37:12  <aestetix> There is that too.
2012-10-17T00:37:22  <aestetix> I mean, it's a really, really loaded topic.
2012-10-17T00:37:29  <thratchen> agree
2012-10-17T00:37:31  <thratchen> agreed
2012-10-17T00:37:33  <aestetix> There are some areas I will touch, others I won't ;)
2012-10-17T00:38:26  <aestetix> What's really upsetting me right now is that in the midst of things like the gawker/reddit debacle, people are drawing mislead conclusions about the influence/impact of non-legal names.
2012-10-17T00:38:45  <thratchen> the problem is this. big data enabled huge data abuse of free social data and it can be abused to remove the real decision from the equation and process. So, will we be denied for some reason we will never know in the future for loans and what not.
2012-10-17T00:40:54  <aestetix> thratchen: sounds like you'll enjoy the talk :)
2012-10-17T00:41:30  <wilpig_> haha "Bacon is a fruit and salad is what food eats"
2012-10-17T00:42:55  <wilpig_> Corydon76-home: okay so back to the earlier top of the credit card thing.  single color print is easy and I have a design that will work.  the thing there says "colorprint" is that still the screen printing or is that something else?
2012-10-17T00:43:38  <Corydon76-home> You'd have to ask Diane
2012-10-17T00:44:17  <wilpig_> k.  well I will call her again in the morning and get her artwork.  did you see what i meant about 33?
2012-10-17T00:45:16  <Corydon76-home> I'm missing the context.
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2012-10-17T01:04:27  <wilpig_> anyone know of any HR policies that discuss things like clipping your fingernails at your desk or in common areas?
2012-10-17T01:18:11  <CNwaV> The first rule of clipping your fingernails at your desk or in common areas, is you don't talk about clipping your fingernails at your desk or in common areas.
2012-10-17T01:19:05  <CNwaV> The second rule of clipping your fingernails at your desk or in common areas, is YOU DON'T TALK ABOUT  clipping your fingernails at your desk or in common areas.
2012-10-17T01:19:53  <CNwaV> latez
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2012-10-17T03:15:53  <RangerZ> http://bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com
2012-10-17T03:15:54  <GateKeeper> Title: Binders Full Of Women (at bindersfullofwomen.tumblr.com)
2012-10-17T03:30:53  <wilpig_> I was lI was laughing at that during the debate
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2012-10-17T07:23:38  <wilpig_> if at first a windows service does not start correctly or keeps dying just start it again.
2012-10-17T07:23:41  <wilpig_> ...
2012-10-17T07:23:58  <wilpig_> there is a reason that fucker has died repeatedly this morning... take the time to do your job you lazy cunt
2012-10-17T07:45:14  <wilpig_> howto get fired?  let someone into one of the boss's office with just the guy's word that he was supposed to come work on a laptop
2012-10-17T08:20:42  <ware> care-o-meter: negative give a fucks
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2012-10-17T08:52:44  <opticron> wilpig_, did someone socially engineer their way in there?
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2012-10-17T09:02:52  <wilpig_> opticron:  think they guy was legit.  but yeah anyone could have done it this morning past mongo
2012-10-17T09:02:56  <wilpig_> that shit doesn't work on me
2012-10-17T09:04:57  <opticron> so mongo is finally gone?
2012-10-17T09:06:27  <wilpig_> still there
2012-10-17T09:07:02  <opticron> D:
2012-10-17T09:07:04  <wilpig_> like i said apparently the dude was legit.  my manager probably doesn't realize that mongo just let the dude in before getting approval or doesn't care
2012-10-17T09:08:32  <wilpig_> heh i've got two cracked out cats this morning.  gave them each a full catnip leaf
2012-10-17T09:08:50  <wilpig_> penny is all paranoid now and eve is hyper as shit.
2012-10-17T09:17:30  <Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
2012-10-17T09:18:21  <wilpig_> no u
2012-10-17T09:18:46  <wilpig_> Dolemite: had a request to add a max temp to device template / device screen
2012-10-17T09:20:58  <Dolemite> Max temp?
2012-10-17T09:21:18  <Dolemite> It's called ASHRAE TC9.9 standard
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2012-10-17T09:21:50  <Dolemite> Or are they wanting to track the maximum temperature that has been picked up by the sensors?
2012-10-17T09:22:07  <Dolemite> er, wait, this is at the device level.  we're not gathering temp info at that level.
2012-10-17T09:24:30  <wilpig_> ashrae is what he asked for.  I asked wtf he was asking for and he said max temp
2012-10-17T09:30:00  <Dolemite> But ASHRAE TC9.9 isn't specific to devices.  It says that all devices should be good operating with input temperatures within the range dictated by the standard.
2012-10-17T09:39:09  <wilpig_> I dunno.  don' much care either to be honest.  PokeWoWville and PN have me pretty busy right now
2012-10-17T09:49:02  <Dolemite> If someone wants to make note of the maximum temperature that a temperamental device can handle, that's what the Notes field is for.
2012-10-17T09:50:28  <Dolemite> Regarding PokeWoWville - I paid for the Cataclysm expansion, and pretty much didn't play any of the content beyond starting up a new goblin toon and leveling up to around 15-20.
2012-10-17T09:56:15  <Dolemite> I had another person ask me about displaying front and back of cabinets, which I said no to.  They wanted to track the front/rear slots of blade chassis, which I told them was already a feature.  I'd hate to think of how they would be tracking vertical blades on a horizontal plane representing the back of the cabinet.
2012-10-17T09:56:38  <Dolemite> A lot of adjusting going from spreadsheets to the database, that's for sure
2012-10-17T09:56:56  <wilpig_> yeah
2012-10-17T09:58:02  <Dolemite> czechbone.net.  Sounds like an exotic porn site.
2012-10-17T09:58:28  <Dolemite> Looking at who all is surfing the web page.  Definitely more foreign than domestic these days.
2012-10-17T10:15:48  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
2012-10-17T10:42:18  <nachoguy> mr0nin
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2012-10-17T14:05:51  <NotLarry> yes, it is morning
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2012-10-17T14:14:25  <Iyeman|Work> anyone know if there is a PN shoot this year?
2012-10-17T14:14:59  <NotLarry> Yes, I do belive so.
2012-10-17T14:15:25  <NotLarry> I talked to oddball and he said the range we normally use is close to the new hotel
2012-10-17T14:39:15  <oddball> Iyeman|Work: The real question is "is there any interest?"
2012-10-17T14:40:38  <oddball> I'm always up for punch holes in paper at high velocity at distance, but we had 3 people last year (Catonic, Rattle, and myself).  Rattle's not making it sue to baby, and Catonic has been luke warm about it.
2012-10-17T14:41:19  <timoguin> I'll go shoot shit
2012-10-17T14:41:33  <oddball> Ok, cool
2012-10-17T14:43:24  <oddball> There's also the question of do we want to go to the one that we've gone to in the past (state run, cheap, outdoors) or do we want to go to an indoor range.  There's a private range down the street from the new hotel, but it's significantly more expensive and is essentially pistol only.
2012-10-17T14:45:58  <oddball> And just to clarify, Google maps claims that the old range is 26 minutes away from the new hotel, which is about what it was from the old one.
2012-10-17T14:47:37  <Dolemite> That may be a question best left up to the weather
2012-10-17T14:48:23  <oddball> hmm... shit.  The nearby indoor place is haveing a carry class that Sunday, so I'm not sure what the availability of lanes will be.
2012-10-17T14:54:28  <Dolemite> In the event of rain, go bowling, instead!
2012-10-17T14:55:14  <Iyeman|Work> i would have gone last year but i had not gotten into shooting yet. plus i didnt go to bed until 9am sunday morning
2012-10-17T14:55:50  <oddball> heh, understood on that second one.
2012-10-17T14:56:17  <oddball> As for the not gotten into shooting... I guess I should ask for requests now that you're interested. :)
2012-10-17T14:57:22  <oddball> I own... ummm... well... if the police decide they need to raid my house for some reason, I'll end up on the news as "crazy man with arsenal."
2012-10-17T15:13:00  <Iyeman|Work> yeah ive acquired 9 firearms since december lol. granted they arent your high end stuff but they are fun to shot. have a Concealed carry license for GA, and a C&R ffl because the old WW2 and WW1 rifles i really like. Historic value and fun to shoot.
2012-10-17T15:13:55  <oddball> I like you're apparent interpretation of "one gun a month."
2012-10-17T15:14:41  <oddball> And I guess it's a bit late for me to warn you about buying guns being addictive. :)
2012-10-17T15:16:59  <oddball> Also, I share your love for the old battle rifles.
2012-10-17T15:29:53  <Iyeman|Work> yeah to late for that warning
2012-10-17T15:31:24  <oddball> So, are you more of a rifle guy, or a pistol guy?
2012-10-17T15:33:32  <Iyeman|Work> dont have a preference yet, though if i go to the range for more than an hour ill spend a few hours on the ruger 10/22, probably because it is cheap to shot. but i do like to get some time in on my 9mm's when i have the ammo to go through.
2012-10-17T15:41:59  <oddball> cool.  Well, if we're going to the outdoor range, bring both rifles and pistols.  I prefer shooting rifles, but the rifle range gets a bit busy this time of year as the hunters come out to zero their sights.
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2012-10-17T16:07:51  <sasquatc4> anyone tried the xbmc android port out?  just wondering what some good hardware might be for it
2012-10-17T16:08:07  <sasquatc4> or if its better to find some comparable cheap mini-linux box to run it on
2012-10-17T16:12:29  <oddball> As in to run a server on it? no.
2012-10-17T16:13:20  <Iyeman|Work> ive played around with the raspberry pi port raspbmc but not an android version.
2012-10-17T16:13:29  <timoguin> Iyeman|Work: how is that?
2012-10-17T16:13:44  <timoguin> I saw the videos of XBMC on the pi, but I'm skeptical of the actual performance.
2012-10-17T16:14:20  <timoguin> sasquatc4: most systems will run xmbc fine. would you be storage files locally? just streaming?
2012-10-17T16:14:23  <sasquatc4> oddball, naw just a box to use for playback, i keep all the content elsewhere
2012-10-17T16:14:26  <sasquatc4> streaming
2012-10-17T16:14:34  <Iyeman|Work> well its still in development but the last version i used was about a month ago and the laq was reduced quite a bit over the previous version. it streamed big bang theory in HD from the free cable plugin pretty nicely
2012-10-17T16:14:58  <sasquatc4> so it doesnt need much storage, thats why i started lookin at the pivos box they used for android development, but didnt know if there were similar nettops or something on the cheap that might work better
2012-10-17T16:15:06  <timoguin> sasquatc4: yea, i used to have a small form factor asus barebones that i used as my XBMC frontend. that was like 5 years ago
2012-10-17T16:15:08  <oddball> Ah, ok.  I think wizardPC runs a client on his phone.  I've been using Plex for that sort of thing.
2012-10-17T16:15:27  <sasquatc4> timoguin, some of the guys here at work all got pi's and had xbmc running on it
2012-10-17T16:15:40  <sasquatc4> faired pretty well but was a bit laggy for my taste, but that was also a few months ago when it first came out
2012-10-17T16:17:37  <sasquatc4> just thinkin about gettin some new hardware for it since the original xbox died and i miss my xbmc, the wdtv is alright but nowhere near as good
2012-10-17T16:18:07  <timoguin> sasquatc4: I'd go for a shuttle barebones kit or something
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2012-10-17T16:26:40  <sasquatc4> k, was just hopin to find somethin in the 1-200 range, dont need a full box, thats why the pivos had me interested
2012-10-17T16:50:37  <nachoguy> sasquatc4: a roku and plex may do what you want
2012-10-17T16:50:45  <nachoguy> depending upon what it is that you want
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2012-10-17T17:02:17  <sasquatc4> just something that can stream over a network with mkv@1080p
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2012-10-17T17:48:45  <nachoguy> not sure if it does mkv
2012-10-17T17:49:17  <timoguin> xmbc does
2012-10-17T17:49:25  <timoguin> plex should too
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2012-10-17T17:50:21  <timoguin> just read that mkv works in plex but has bad performance
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2012-10-17T17:58:46  <NotLarry> FiM++
2012-10-17T18:02:06  <sasquatc4> well ill prolly just go for the pivos, they have a linux only build now that works perfect anyway, and once the actual xbmc android port gets better i can just revert back to that if i want
2012-10-17T18:02:19  <sasquatc4> for 100$ sorta hard to beat
2012-10-17T18:09:31  <oddball> You looking at streaming to your TV?
2012-10-17T18:10:29  <oddball> I'm fairly positive that I've streamed mkv@1080p to my roku through plex.
2012-10-17T18:20:52  <RangerZ> the ra-pi works well with XBMC @720p
2012-10-17T18:21:24  <RangerZ> tried 1080p, but it had issues, it might be b/c of my sdcard is rated 4, and i was using external usb HDD
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2012-10-17T18:37:21  <oddball> Ok... So it appears that my HP printer is wanting to use port 6881.... which Google says is for bittorrent.
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2012-10-17T18:55:10  <brimstone> but anything above 1024 doesn't matter
2012-10-17T18:56:03  <oddball> Well, it's not getting it.  It shouldn't be talking to strangers anyhow.
2012-10-17T19:10:38  <brimstone> ug, google wallet
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2012-10-17T19:39:30  <sdodson> brimstone: apple passbook is so much bettar?
2012-10-17T20:04:44  <NotLarry> wilpig_: ping
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2012-10-17T20:37:19  <RangerZ> "you can't be the ref if you are the moderator"
2012-10-17T20:37:36  <RangerZ> what... isn't that EXACTLY what the moderator is there for...
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2012-10-17T20:55:33  <wilpig_> Corydon76-home: ping
2012-10-17T20:58:17  <LastChild> wilpig_: I'm gonna hold off on bringing you that database until closer to PN I've been adding at least 2 or 3 entries per day to it, and that way you'll have a more complete list.  Do you want me to include the "manager" executable since all the entries have meta data that can be searched or filtered?
2012-10-17T20:59:33  <brimstone> sdodson: what's apple passbook? i just want proper bank transfers to be a thing in this country
2012-10-17T21:00:53  <wilpig_> np
2012-10-17T21:01:03  <wilpig_> whatever it needs to be usable.
2012-10-17T21:01:29  <wilpig_> alright just sent off the printing info for the speaker gifts.
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2012-10-17T22:42:33  <Dagmar> Well...
2012-10-17T22:42:56  <RangerZ> Dagmar: so over 6000 people have signed up for the POSA course schmidt is offering
2012-10-17T22:44:41  <RangerZ> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtwY9VGXDn0
2012-10-17T22:44:43  <GateKeeper> Title: Vanderbilt joins Coursera - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2012-10-17T22:52:37  <er|c> is Dagmar ignoring me
2012-10-17T22:52:57  <wilpig_> er|c: we all are
2012-10-17T22:53:42  <er|c> meanie
2012-10-17T22:53:50  <wilpig_> at least I told you
2012-10-17T22:53:58  <er|c> true
2012-10-17T22:54:10  <er|c> thank you for telling me
2012-10-17T22:54:32  <er|c> i'll go find some porn links for you
2012-10-17T22:54:43  <wilpig_> sweet!
2012-10-17T22:58:10  <er|c> http://i.minus.com/ibyxGmaXZtLXIJ.jpg
2012-10-17T22:58:47  <wilpig_> that's kinda like porn but not quite there
2012-10-17T23:00:05  <RangerZ> nice pic though....
2012-10-17T23:00:29  <opticron> mmmhmmm.
2012-10-17T23:40:25  <er|c> hmm
2012-10-17T23:40:55  <er|c> i can't find any porn i think the internet is out of it
2012-10-17T23:42:03  <er|c> oh i did find this http://www.eporner.com/hd-porn/143752/Two-Pussies-And-Only-One-Dick/
2012-10-17T23:42:04  <GateKeeper> Title: Two Pussies And Only One Dick - EPORNER Free HD Porn Tube (at www.eporner.com)
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