2012-10-15T01:36:52 halt 2012-10-15T01:38:17 Abort, Retry, Fail? 2012-10-15T01:41:53 ....in the name of love? 2012-10-15T01:50:33 *** sync350 has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T01:50:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sync350 2012-10-15T03:31:49 *** polerin has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-10-15T03:40:01 *** polerin has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T04:30:10 *** sync350 has quit IRC (Quit: Screw you guys, I'm goin home) 2012-10-15T06:30:55 *** LastChild has quit IRC (Quit: and the monkey flips the switch) 2012-10-15T07:45:08 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-10-15T07:52:06 *** nachoguy has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-10-15T07:52:43 *** nachoguy has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T08:05:49 *** Iyeman|Work has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-15T09:48:27 *** alyawn has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T10:56:48 *** alyawn has quit IRC (Quit: which is nice...) 2012-10-15T10:57:03 *** alyawn has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T11:08:28 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-10-15T11:13:20 *** alyawn has quit IRC (Changing host) 2012-10-15T11:13:20 *** alyawn has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T11:16:18 *** alyawn has quit IRC (Quit: which is nice...) 2012-10-15T11:16:33 *** alyawn has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T11:16:33 *** alyawn has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T12:21:00 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T12:34:01 *** _dink <_dink!~andrew@70-88-8-126-east-tennessee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T12:35:37 <_dink> ok guys "There will be a whole hog, plenty of side dishes, and for the vegetarians, we'll have some bottled water" this was probably wilpig's verbiage. really guys? surely you can do better than bottled water. I do appreciate the irony though. 2012-10-15T12:36:04 <_dink> just skip the bacon in the beans and we'll call it even :-) 2012-10-15T12:36:27 _dink: I think that was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek. I suspect that we'll have soy patties, cooked on a *separate* grill 2012-10-15T12:36:29 just strain it out 2012-10-15T12:36:50 <_dink> yeah i took it as a joke, but just in case..lol 2012-10-15T12:37:05 <_dink> you never know living in the south 2012-10-15T12:37:06 and I'm not opposed to getting several cans of vegetarian baked beans 2012-10-15T12:37:44 Actually, Glory makes a heap of greens cooked without meat that is REALLY good. 2012-10-15T12:38:03 If people tasted it, they may never put pork in their greens again 2012-10-15T12:38:04 <_dink> that would be awesome 2012-10-15T12:38:26 <_dink> yeah even when i did eat meat, i never understood the put too much salted crap in the veggies theory 2012-10-15T12:38:50 Well, the greens are healthy, but they are rather bitter 2012-10-15T12:40:28 About 10 years ago, I started having aversion therapy to sweets, in the respect that eating sweets caused my stomach to go on fire. I'm more appreciative of nonsweet foods now. 2012-10-15T12:49:14 ok so 2012-10-15T12:49:19 I could be reading the gawker story wrong 2012-10-15T12:49:27 but this Violentacrez thing 2012-10-15T12:49:50 While he seems to have pissed off a lot of people, I don't see any evidence that he actually *hurt* anyone 2012-10-15T12:51:16 aestetix: you don't view reposting pictures as copyright infringement? 2012-10-15T12:51:17 <_dink> so basically gawker failed to learn the first rule of trolls… don't pay them any attention 2012-10-15T12:51:59 (It IS copyright infringement, even if the resulting penalties are non-existent.) 2012-10-15T12:52:36 Corydon76-home: the gawker article didn't really focus on that. 2012-10-15T12:52:47 No, I know it didn't. 2012-10-15T12:53:01 And right now that article is my entire context for this :p 2012-10-15T12:53:26 In terms of reposting photos.... my best answer is "it depends". Where are they from, how were they licensed, etc 2012-10-15T12:53:38 That article noted that in specific, and I have some understanding of copyright law, since my paycheck depends upon it 2012-10-15T12:53:41 I don't think reposting copyrighted photos would be grounds for articles like that though. 2012-10-15T12:54:32 *** _dink <_dink!~andrew@70-88-8-126-east-tennessee.hfc.comcastbusiness.net> has left #se2600 2012-10-15T12:55:32 well that turned into a dumb conversation 2012-10-15T12:56:10 I'm just really confused. 2012-10-15T12:56:27 It seems like he danced a thin line, but didn't actually do anything really reprehensible. 2012-10-15T12:56:35 What, grounds for unmasking a troll? 2012-10-15T12:57:02 Corydon76-home: well, according to a new post that just showed up on reddit... 2012-10-15T12:57:05 Being a troll is grounds for unmasking. 2012-10-15T12:57:19 http://www.reddit.com/r/pointandclick/comments/11dkn9/tea_break_escape/c6msdo3 2012-10-15T12:57:20 Title: mbrutsch comments on Tea Break Escape (at www.reddit.com) 2012-10-15T12:57:35 Corydon76-home: I would argue it depends on who you unmask the troll to. 2012-10-15T12:58:15 *** NotLarry has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-10-15T12:58:36 Anonymity only works on the Internet when people at least attempt to be cordial. 2012-10-15T12:59:18 Corydon76-home: I disagree with that statement in many, many, many ways :p 2012-10-15T12:59:32 Misunderstandings will happen, and it's best to retain anonymity even in the face of accidental misunderstandings 2012-10-15T12:59:42 I'm reserving judgement though, because I'm still reading up on what happened here. 2012-10-15T12:59:51 But trolling is intentional abuse of the ability to be anonymous 2012-10-15T13:00:13 It's tricky though. I mean, that reddit post I just linked to.... I draw two independent conclusions 2012-10-15T13:00:21 1. the gawker article just ruined that guy's life 2012-10-15T13:00:27 2. the guy is a modern day andy kaufman 2012-10-15T13:01:13 So I have no sympathy for the guy at all. If you do on the Internet what you wouldn't do in the public square, not because you're afraid of the government, but because you're afraid the entire town would be against you, you probably shouldn't be doing that on the Internet. 2012-10-15T13:01:14 *** NotLarry has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T13:01:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o NotLarry 2012-10-15T13:01:43 Kaufman didn't hide behind anonymity 2012-10-15T13:02:03 Corydon76-home: I disagree with that. 2012-10-15T13:02:16 If he had heavily trolled using his REAL identity, I'd agree with you. 2012-10-15T13:02:21 For a few reasons. I don't think the analogy of internet to public square fully works. 2012-10-15T13:02:29 They have a different set of expectations. 2012-10-15T13:02:38 It works to a limited extent. 2012-10-15T13:02:57 Second, I reject the notion of a real identity. Rather, in this case, he's had a reddit identity and a legal identity linked together, and it's going to cause him issues in his personal life. 2012-10-15T13:03:23 If you can't stand the heat... 2012-10-15T13:03:50 Are you guys talking about potato anus? 2012-10-15T13:04:11 aestetix: the difference is, you use Aestetix as your identity in your daily life. 2012-10-15T13:04:33 Can someone post the original article you guys are talking about? I couldn't spot it in the scroll back. 2012-10-15T13:04:47 There are people who call me Corydon in real life... 2012-10-15T13:04:50 Corydon76-home: I'm having a conversation (not in here) right now with someone who apparently knows this guy personally, and knows him by violentacrez 2012-10-15T13:04:53 http://gawker.com/5950981/unmasking-reddits-violentacrez-the-biggest-troll-on-the-web 2012-10-15T13:04:54 Title: Unmasking Reddit's Violentacrez, The Biggest Troll on the Web (at gawker.com) 2012-10-15T13:05:00 thanks 2012-10-15T13:06:00 Corydon76-home: I also don't think it's fair to set a paradigm of "online" and "offline", when you can assume multiple personas in different manners online, some are linked to offline paradigms, others aren't. 2012-10-15T13:06:58 aestetix: you can assume multiple personas in real life, as well 2012-10-15T13:07:06 Corydon76-home: sure. 2012-10-15T13:07:22 And in many cases, there are reasons people keep them separated. 2012-10-15T13:07:36 And if people from those multiple personas cross paths, a world of hurt can result 2012-10-15T13:07:44 I have the great fortune that if my legal and other names are linked, it does not hurt me. 2012-10-15T13:08:19 However, I don't think VA had that privilege. 2012-10-15T13:08:28 And it seems like Adrian Chen might have just fucked him over. 2012-10-15T13:08:42 But that's because you've adopted the stance that you aren't going to do things with one persona that would cause problems for the other 2012-10-15T13:09:12 The reporter simply reported on the news. 2012-10-15T13:10:09 acutally, that's not true. I have done many things in one persona that could cause problems in the others. 2012-10-15T13:10:12 Is this related to the creepshots thing? 2012-10-15T13:10:23 The question is "what kinds of problems would it cause" and "how can I avoid it causing those problems" 2012-10-15T13:10:25 Yes 2012-10-15T13:10:38 I have a great deal of agency in filtering how those personas are linked. 2012-10-15T13:10:44 And this guy did not get that agency. 2012-10-15T13:10:51 Good. I'm glad that guy got outed 2012-10-15T13:10:57 I can think of a few things where if a reporter did a gawker story on me, I would be fucked. 2012-10-15T13:11:15 I'm pretty sure that's the case for *everyone*. 2012-10-15T13:11:16 (this may be unpopular here, but what they are doing is fucked up) 2012-10-15T13:11:17 Then maybe you should rethink those things 2012-10-15T13:11:39 polerin: they got closed with the publication of that gawker article 2012-10-15T13:11:43 Corydon76-home: or maybe the people who would get upset at me should think about why those things would upset them. 2012-10-15T13:11:50 * polerin shrugs 2012-10-15T13:12:11 them getting closed doesn't harm them, it doesn't do anythign other than provide a "tisk tisk naughty" 2012-10-15T13:12:36 guy's a douche 2012-10-15T13:12:52 '"People take things way too seriously around here," Violentacrez said.' 2012-10-15T13:12:58 aestetix: Okay, so people might get upset. But would it actually cause you harm? 2012-10-15T13:13:08 Corydon76-home: define "harm". 2012-10-15T13:13:40 frsilent: agreed. There are many people who use the Internet as a safe haven, away from their very hurtful lives. 2012-10-15T13:13:42 Would anyone be killed? No. Would I stop getting invited to things? Sure. Would I get strange looks in places, and become "that guy"? Would there be a social stigma in some places? Yes. 2012-10-15T13:13:45 They were exposing people's public presentation in one sphere and exposing it to a completely different type of public scrutiny. Outing them is a reversal of that paradigm, and that is fine by me. 2012-10-15T13:14:00 Speaking as someone who's BEEN doxed because someone disagreed with me, fuck that douche. 2012-10-15T13:14:03 Polerin: that is a fair point 2012-10-15T13:14:41 Corydon76-home: but again, I am basing my opinion on my own biases and a single article I've read. I don't know anything else about this guy. 2012-10-15T13:14:48 And it's definitely a point that you, Aestetix, need to address. Why is it okay when Violentacrez does it to someone else, but NOT okay, when someone does it to him? 2012-10-15T13:15:27 Where has VA outed others? 2012-10-15T13:15:42 All I saw in the article was that he was hitting triggers. 2012-10-15T13:16:04 He took photos that were meant to be shared amongst a limited group and exposed them to a much different group, sexualizing vulnerable teens 2012-10-15T13:16:18 Seems that he was completely disconnected from reality. Just because it's the internet does not make it okay to trivialize rape/incest/etc where there are very real victims 2012-10-15T13:16:36 So the reporter took his identity and exposed it to a different context, same basic idea. 2012-10-15T13:16:41 which he did by posting offensive material & just stating that people "took it too seriously" 2012-10-15T13:16:45 Corydon76-home: oh, ok. I missed that part of the article. 2012-10-15T13:17:09 aestetix: even if he was "just" taking photos of random women in his environment, that's still similar. 2012-10-15T13:17:13 Or misread it or something else. All I saw was that he was posting legal photos of teens to a thread called jailbait. 2012-10-15T13:17:46 aestetix: again, that's where copyright infringement comes into play 2012-10-15T13:18:01 And the article doesn't seem to touch on that very much, unless I missed it. 2012-10-15T13:18:05 There's a good _reason_ why that's copyright infringement. 2012-10-15T13:18:14 Even if the statutory penalties are nil. 2012-10-15T13:18:38 The article doesn't. It's basic law. 2012-10-15T13:19:23 The teens in question gave Facebook a license to publish and display when they uploaded those photos. A similar license was not provided when they were reposted to Reddit 2012-10-15T13:19:57 Ok, in that case, sure. 2012-10-15T13:20:08 I asked if he regretted anything he had posted, now that he'd be found out. No, he said. "I would stand by exactly what I've done." 2012-10-15T13:21:07 If just _one_ of those photos that he reposted were registered with the Copyright Office, he'd be looking at $150,000 in civil damages. 2012-10-15T13:21:26 Because with that statement from the article, it's clear that the infringement was _willful_ 2012-10-15T13:21:28 'He asked a number of times if there was anything he could do to keep me from outing him.' 2012-10-15T13:21:30 Corydon76-home: so by violating that license he actually did cause harm. 2012-10-15T13:21:36 so he contradicts himself 2012-10-15T13:22:10 In which case, while it is a sort of "eye for an eye", he's not totally innocent here. 2012-10-15T13:22:25 aestetix: yes, but without registration, the harm is limited to actual damages, which, in a noncommercial context, is nil. 2012-10-15T13:23:36 He's not innocent. Not at all. 2012-10-15T13:23:43 So there you go. 2012-10-15T13:24:16 So my opinion is now... I don't agree with what Chen did, but I also don't agree with what VA did. 2012-10-15T13:24:31 just because the idea of oogling women is allowed if not exactly accepted, whereas there is a semi-accepted idea of personal privacy regarding an assumed identity, that does not make the violation of privacy expectations any less real. 2012-10-15T13:24:33 Now, was anything that he did _criminal_. I suspect not. But causing disrepute upon your employer is definitely grounds for termination. 2012-10-15T13:24:34 The free speech argument only works if you respect the licenses that people have released stuff under. 2012-10-15T13:25:05 I stand by my previous statements about identities being forcibly linked, though. 2012-10-15T13:25:13 and the thing is that there is NO formal way to punish him for that 2012-10-15T13:25:39 partially because things like that are really really common 2012-10-15T13:25:58 polerin: well, the lesson is, if you publish any photos on the Internet that you might find embarassing in another context, register them with the Copyright Office beforehand. 2012-10-15T13:26:00 not prevelant mind you, but common enough that it is hard to stop it. 2012-10-15T13:26:14 Corydon76-home: or be very careful about how you license/filter them. 2012-10-15T13:26:22 Because then damages are significant to the offending party. 2012-10-15T13:26:31 See, I take it differently. Don't Objectify Women if you don't want to be punched back. 2012-10-15T13:26:48 aestetix: doesn't matter. Infringement is infringement, and your original license doesn't matter. 2012-10-15T13:27:17 Corydon76-home: I'm not arguing against that. 2012-10-15T13:27:22 polerin: I objectify men, and I have no problem with being objectified. 2012-10-15T13:27:36 polerin: there is a phrase I like: "consentual objectification" 2012-10-15T13:27:52 aestetix: see that's fine 2012-10-15T13:27:57 but that's not what I'm talking about 2012-10-15T13:28:41 polerin: and this is where I stop discussing this topic, because it's too loaded :) 2012-10-15T13:28:51 I took this to an odd extreme earlier in my coming out process, where I thought if I wanted to fuck guys in the ass, I would have to let them do the same to me. Turns out, there are guys who don't like topping. 2012-10-15T13:29:15 Corydon76-home: there is a significant quantitative difference in the outcomes of the objectification of men and of women in our culture 2012-10-15T13:29:33 but that's a WHOLE different discussion. 2012-10-15T13:29:48 polerin: do you mean the broader culture, or the lgbt culture, because you could mean either. 2012-10-15T13:30:17 wider. Work calls though 2012-10-15T13:39:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpMPu5p_QXU 2012-10-15T13:39:31 Rap News 16 2012-10-15T13:42:16 We should all stop bothering with labels and just drop acid together. It makes life so much more peaceful. 2012-10-15T13:43:02 Only if you drop it in a city's water distribution grid. 2012-10-15T13:54:18 i've seen this movie 2012-10-15T14:51:28 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2012-10-15T15:27:28 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T15:36:20 So, Corydon76-home, I think I figured out why this issue was bothering me so much. 2012-10-15T15:36:34 Yes? 2012-10-15T15:36:41 While I see how Adrian was totally justified in outing the person, bridging contexts and such.... 2012-10-15T15:37:00 It also hits on a bigger issue, where there is an ongoing effort to demonize "pseudonyms" 2012-10-15T15:37:34 That's irrelevant to the discussion, as we're talking about a clear case of a person abusing anonymity 2012-10-15T15:37:37 And the discussion, to me, carries the feeling that because this guy used a name to violate a boundary, that most people use names to do that. 2012-10-15T15:38:12 I think people are smarter than that, especially in the broader context of considering legislation 2012-10-15T15:38:13 I'm simply explaining why it was bothering me. I was seeing it in a larger context where there is a big battle going on. 2012-10-15T15:38:32 Ah 2012-10-15T15:38:54 The facebook/google battle, where there are major political players trying to demonize people not using their legal names. 2012-10-15T15:39:02 And somehow saying people would be "better behaved" 2012-10-15T15:39:09 In that case, you may wish to condemn ViolentAcrez for making your political opponents' case. 2012-10-15T15:39:20 Right. 2012-10-15T15:39:48 Well, I'm also annoyed at Adrian for failing to disambiguate the issues, although I'm having a hard time figuring out a good way to do it myself. 2012-10-15T15:40:24 It's one of those.... by condemning one thing, he (IMHO) condemned another, and the challenge is whether it's possible to disambiguate it in the larger discussion. 2012-10-15T15:40:31 Or, the "separate" discussion. 2012-10-15T15:40:32 I don't think Adrian addressed the issue, because the article is about an abuser of anonymity, not about the larger context of pseudonyms 2012-10-15T15:40:46 Right, but it still registers on the map. 2012-10-15T15:41:10 Like I said, I haven't figured out a better way to address the issue yet. 2012-10-15T15:41:26 and Redditors are clearly being unreasonable in their response. 2012-10-15T15:42:27 Basically, when I get into identity discussions, I can easily see this coming up. 2012-10-15T15:42:55 And the devil's advocate view would be "if reddit forced people to use their legal names this never would have happened" 2012-10-15T15:45:29 (there is another issue going on right now on the sidelines of this regarding facebook privacy settings, where the leader of an LGBT facebook group added a few people to it, and it posted an update on their facebook wall, basically outing them to their parents) 2012-10-15T15:49:42 this is not a new issue 2012-10-15T15:49:51 and it's a huge one to the trans community 2012-10-15T15:49:56 polerin: yep 2012-10-15T15:51:47 polerin: it's not new, but the growth of online social networks is making it messier 2012-10-15T15:55:02 well, what I mean is that the issue of anonimity vs "real world" name is a very old one for us 2012-10-15T15:55:17 * aestetix nods 2012-10-15T15:55:19 and the question of "what is a trans person's 'real' name" 2012-10-15T15:55:25 is *very* loaded 2012-10-15T15:55:25 yep 2012-10-15T15:56:18 and it's not just social networks that are making it messy.. the ease of access to general information about someone's history has serious implications 2012-10-15T15:56:26 I still say "psuedonyms are the way we've been doing it for years. Don't like it? Get off our lawn!" 2012-10-15T15:56:27 see my own issue with getting doxed 2012-10-15T15:56:29 The whole "real" name issue is a big problem, honestly. 2012-10-15T16:06:08 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-10-15T16:06:15 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T16:07:34 well, I've not worked to keep my identities seperate tbh, instead I work to make sure that whatever I do will be consistant with how I need the world to view me for whatever reasons... but that is REALLY restrictive 2012-10-15T16:08:00 but I don't have much choice.. if I give an attacker something to hurt me with, it *will* get used. 2012-10-15T16:08:09 * aestetix nods 2012-10-15T16:08:50 The only thing she could get was my old name, and the fact that I skate with NRG, but even there she tried to get me kicked out of the league 2012-10-15T16:10:19 polerin: did you see that I got 'doxed' a week or two back? 2012-10-15T16:10:39 They actually had the audacity to suggest that I needed to contact them to 'make arrangements' 2012-10-15T16:11:01 heh 2012-10-15T16:11:02 no 2012-10-15T16:11:08 which I interpreted as 'Pay us to stop posting the link' 2012-10-15T16:11:33 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-10-15T16:13:14 nah. I mean, there's not much "harmful" about anything anybody can find. see above. I try to be consistently .. me. 2012-10-15T16:13:32 I'm in Chapter 13, so even if they managed to get ahold of my SSN, it literally does them no good. There's a court watching my credit, and any application for credit _should_ be denied straight away without approval by the court. 2012-10-15T16:17:15 I also made a report to the IC3 when they did it, so even if they managed to screw with my credit, I can point the court to the IC3 report and say "Wasn't me, look there" 2012-10-15T16:19:12 Yeah it wasn't that kind of thing for me. She was spreading my old name around and trying to use it as a weapon. As I was still doing freelance stuff at that time, she couldn't come at me through an employer, so at least there was that. 2012-10-15T16:19:31 She? 2012-10-15T16:30:18 long story. Person who took offense to the idea that trans women deserve respect and rights. She was doxing people left and right, outing them every way that she could. 2012-10-15T16:30:54 I was one of several people that stood up to her, and that was the result. I knew it was a possibility going in 2012-10-15T16:31:42 Report her activities to her employer? For much the same reason that ViolentAcrez was fired, she might have suffered the same fate 2012-10-15T16:31:58 not that easy 2012-10-15T16:32:07 she's a lawyer and was trolling for people to sue 2012-10-15T16:32:10 in part 2012-10-15T16:32:15 Activities that bring her employer into disrepute are actionable. 2012-10-15T16:32:25 and she's a full partner in her firm 2012-10-15T16:32:58 Ah, yeah, not easy, but still possible, especially if there's more than 2 partners. 2012-10-15T16:33:10 There were people who did that though. It ... didnt' work. 2012-10-15T16:33:41 on the other hand I was asked to keep quiet about her by NRG because my actions DO reflect on the league. Which is true enough... 2012-10-15T16:33:54 but my league told her to go jump off a cliff other than that 2012-10-15T16:34:20 Oh, a jealous athlete? 2012-10-15T16:34:46 got cut from the team in favor of a TG woman, and she's pissed? 2012-10-15T16:39:54 Stay classy, Republicans... http://rt.com/usa/news/koch-brothers-obama-vote-501/ 2012-10-15T16:39:55 Title: Koch brothers threaten to fire employees if Obama wins RT (at rt.com) 2012-10-15T16:45:54 no, a radical feminst. 2012-10-15T16:47:02 Well, that's ridiculous. In fact, I can't think of anything more pro-feminist than a person with male privilege who is willing to give that up to live as a woman. 2012-10-15T16:48:08 What it really sounds like is that she hates women. She hates her own body. She hates that she was born female. She hates anybody who tolerates or even wishes to be female. 2012-10-15T16:48:46 That's not a feminist; that's a chauvinist. 2012-10-15T16:53:58 It's a long long story 2012-10-15T16:54:39 relying mostly on second wave feminist theory regarding gender roles 2012-10-15T17:26:11 http://www.dailydot.com/news/violentacrez-reddit-troll-fired-gawker-profile/ 2012-10-15T17:26:12 Title: Daily Dot | Reddits most notorious troll loses job after Gawker profile (at www.dailydot.com) 2012-10-15T17:35:24 "It has been discovered that users with aol address are not recieving the invitation." 2012-10-15T17:35:29 Working as intended. 2012-10-15T17:35:37 *** sasquatc4 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-10-15T17:37:32 *** sasquatc4 has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T17:37:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sasquatc4 2012-10-15T17:42:36 Dagmar: which ivona voice do you use? 2012-10-15T17:44:46 i have Amy UK now.. she's decent 2012-10-15T17:45:26 and i have the Voice Notify app so literally every event on my phone gets announced 2012-10-15T17:45:50 is that better/more useful than tasker? 2012-10-15T17:46:03 Tasker seems neat, but I haven't had much time to muck about with it 2012-10-15T17:46:19 i haven't gotten around to setting up tasker 2012-10-15T17:46:33 does it do tts too? 2012-10-15T17:46:46 yeah 2012-10-15T17:47:20 cool 2012-10-15T17:47:48 voice notify is pretty simple and does one thing 2012-10-15T17:49:46 i told it to only announce sms and social media tho 2012-10-15T17:50:03 and i filtered out my gf's texts 2012-10-15T17:58:18 so your sexts aren't read aloud? 2012-10-15T17:58:38 "Did you shit on the bathroom floor again?" 2012-10-15T17:59:45 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T18:02:40 exactly 2012-10-15T18:41:52 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T18:53:48 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-10-15T19:20:50 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T20:06:42 lol http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/ 2012-10-15T20:06:43 Title: Penny Arcade - Granularity (at www.penny-arcade.com) 2012-10-15T20:42:22 *** LastChild has joined #se2600 2012-10-15T20:42:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o LastChild 2012-10-15T20:43:04 brimstone: call teh hotel back and they will straight it out. I heard from the scheduling girl today that has no idea why they told you that 2012-10-15T20:43:38 ok 2012-10-15T20:43:41 thanks! 2012-10-15T20:43:49 so there's plenty of rooms in the block still? 2012-10-15T20:44:09 yes 2012-10-15T20:44:15 there are still 37 rooms in the block free 2012-10-15T20:44:17 good good 2012-10-15T20:44:30 any two bed rooms? 2012-10-15T20:44:57 or do you know? 2012-10-15T20:44:57 should be plenty. I didn't ask that specifically. I think the block originally only had doubles with the exception of like 5 kings 2012-10-15T20:45:10 ok sweet, thanks 2012-10-15T20:55:50 fuck 2012-10-15T20:55:59 twitter is down, where am I going to go to bitch that twitter is down 2012-10-15T20:56:07 facebook 2012-10-15T20:56:09 identi.ca? 2012-10-15T20:56:12 app.net? 2012-10-15T20:56:21 diaspora? 2012-10-15T20:56:25 tent.io 2012-10-15T20:56:27 no, lol, no one uses diaspora 2012-10-15T20:57:23 haha. I picture dagmar in this. http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/identity.png 2012-10-15T20:57:40 I heard that. 2012-10-15T20:57:41 or #se2600 2012-10-15T20:57:56 Not too far from the truth tho 2012-10-15T21:42:27 http://actually.org/ this is amusing video 2012-10-15T21:42:28 Title: Actually (at actually.org) 2012-10-15T23:07:12 *** stowbari has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-10-15T23:07:30 Pro fact-checking: http://i.imgur.com/59rw6.jpg 2012-10-15T23:09:34 That is awesome 2012-10-15T23:48:15 Dagmar: did you leave a book on a load balancer in the NOC?