2012-10-14T02:00:00 *** thratchen has quit IRC (Quit: thratchen) 2012-10-14T02:11:51 *** Rocketmahn_m has joined #se2600 2012-10-14T02:12:02 *** Rocketmahn_m has left #se2600 2012-10-14T02:56:43 *** Goat21 has joined #se2600 2012-10-14T02:56:43 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Goat21 2012-10-14T02:56:49 Hey all 2012-10-14T02:56:50 what's up goat 2012-10-14T02:56:56 Bored 2012-10-14T02:57:30 you? 2012-10-14T02:57:37 same. I should be sleeping off a hell of a day, instead i'm at home watching fringe and playing oww 2012-10-14T02:57:40 wow 2012-10-14T02:57:46 errr PokeWoWville 2012-10-14T02:57:47 Pfft! 2012-10-14T02:58:16 So PN is just around the corner eh? 2012-10-14T02:58:24 yeah less than a month now 2012-10-14T02:58:40 yup...was looking at old pics from PN6 just am in ago...now i 'm sad 2012-10-14T02:58:56 heh. did you see the schedule for this year? 2012-10-14T02:59:04 I don't want to..-=( 2012-10-14T02:59:12 before I left for st louis I had to fix the twitter feed because they changed the api around again 2012-10-14T02:59:41 My father-in-law is in STL right now... 2012-10-14T03:00:06 I was there 8 hours ago 2012-10-14T03:00:32 lol 2012-10-14T03:00:34 nice 2012-10-14T03:04:25 https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/60728_4344175136794_698752000_n.jpg LOL RTA = clev's bus system 2012-10-14T03:05:47 lol 2012-10-14T03:29:46 *** Goat21 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-10-14T05:21:53 vagina 2012-10-14T05:22:14 so uh 2012-10-14T05:22:30 I dunno if there is any room at phreaknic.... or maybe I could do this independently 2012-10-14T05:22:42 I'm doing a talk for the oakland cryptoparty tomorrow, I'd be happy to do it at phreaknic 2012-10-14T05:22:51 "beginner's guide to cryptography" 2012-10-14T05:23:24 assuming anyone wants to hear it... might be a decent hallway/hotel room track :p 2012-10-14T05:23:33 we could do that. 2012-10-14T05:23:45 actually once you see the atrium you're gonna wanna do stuff there 2012-10-14T05:23:47 it's echo'y 2012-10-14T05:23:56 cool 2012-10-14T05:24:13 but yeah, it is aimed at people who know no cryptography, no math, and possibly no computer stuff 2012-10-14T05:24:20 (IE it is aimed at activists :p) 2012-10-14T05:25:02 cool 2012-10-14T05:34:22 *** Goat21 has joined #se2600 2012-10-14T05:34:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Goat21 2012-10-14T05:34:34 Anyone know a good pdf torrent site? 2012-10-14T05:37:16 Goat21: I have gotten pdfs off piratebay before 2012-10-14T05:47:44 guess i'm gonna lay down 2012-10-14T05:47:52 stupid brain 2012-10-14T05:59:58 Brain's are overrated. Just ask the average Republican. 2012-10-14T06:00:18 s/\'s/s/ 2012-10-14T06:05:54 Lol, yeah, i have as well, just looking for a specfic book... 2012-10-14T06:06:04 but thanks =P 2012-10-14T09:09:42 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2012-10-14T09:17:57 *** Goat21 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-14T11:06:30 *** stowbari has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-14T12:43:47 http://www.redbullstratos.com/live 2012-10-14T12:43:48 Title: Live Broadcast | Red Bull Stratos (at www.redbullstratos.com) 2012-10-14T13:26:36 I guess this is what my friend was commenting about when he commented on facebook "Thank you for calling Red Bull, if you're about to do something stupid and would like sponsorship press 1, all other inquiries press 2." 2012-10-14T13:27:22 ware: How far you think you could throw a chair from that height? 2012-10-14T13:37:05 wilpig_: marco 2012-10-14T13:42:21 NotLarry: polio 2012-10-14T13:48:15 I know right 2012-10-14T13:49:05 Damn, came to work in my leather pants, turns out it's parents weekend. 2012-10-14T13:49:32 NotLarry: 50+ swingers will love you, what's the problem? 2012-10-14T13:51:59 your right. brb 2012-10-14T13:58:21 So he is going to fall about the distance I will drive home after work. I can make it in 40 minutes. 2012-10-14T13:59:27 he's depressurizing! 2012-10-14T14:00:34 "I'm about to step off of a perfectly good balloon at 128,000 ft, AMA" 2012-10-14T14:05:35 he's about to jump for those of you who just want to see that 2012-10-14T14:08:09 "damn, I don't think I unplugged the iron." 2012-10-14T14:08:40 oof my stomach jumped 2012-10-14T14:10:52 "one small step for maAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!" 2012-10-14T14:11:06 Can you hear me now? 2012-10-14T14:23:07 the best part about this is that it has 'some' good scientific uses for high alt. bailout procedures , etc 2012-10-14T14:23:33 RangerZ: you're questioning the value of the mission? 2012-10-14T14:23:43 no 2012-10-14T14:23:58 You're saying that 'some' is an understatement? 2012-10-14T14:24:46 just saying that besides being completely just badass, which is what space exploration is, and that sadly this jump will do more to inspire future astronauts than anything else lately with no space shuttles 2012-10-14T14:25:48 I hope that four years from now we, as a country, will say "Ok, time to revitalize NASA." It's not politically feasible right now though. 2012-10-14T14:26:42 Or maybe four years from now that won't be necessary as it'll be commercialized. 2012-10-14T14:27:11 Richard Branson will be having a jolly ole time in space. 2012-10-14T14:27:19 i'm actually glad for the future militarization of space, that will push us out of here 2012-10-14T14:27:34 b/c once commercialization works even slightly 2012-10-14T14:27:39 Forget drones, we got mothafuck'n lazers? 2012-10-14T14:27:44 pretty much 2012-10-14T14:28:11 pew pew! 2012-10-14T14:30:13 b/c materials science will make GIANT steps forward once we have a foundry up in space 2012-10-14T14:30:36 RangerZ: you think zero gravity will improve materials manufacturing? 2012-10-14T14:30:43 b/c i want my god damn gundamium 2012-10-14T14:31:13 yeah it will, b/c mixtures that aren't possible on earth b/c their melting temps are too different will be possible 2012-10-14T14:31:45 simple example is nitrogen infused Styrofoam like steal 2012-10-14T14:31:48 steel* 2012-10-14T14:31:54 Yeah. 2012-10-14T14:32:03 I hope styrofoam goes away though 2012-10-14T14:32:24 fungus strofoam is already viable 2012-10-14T14:32:25 http://www.ted.com/talks/eben_bayer_are_mushrooms_the_new_plastic.html 2012-10-14T14:32:26 Title: Eben Bayer: Are mushrooms the new plastic? | Video on TED.com (at www.ted.com) 2012-10-14T14:32:27 and works really well 2012-10-14T14:32:30 yeah like dat 2012-10-14T14:33:36 so its amusing to me.. that people aren't as greedy as they could be... b/c then they would invest in solar 2012-10-14T14:34:05 i can't think of 'any' thing as good as just letting a plate of solar panels just 'make' energy for me 2012-10-14T14:35:00 The return on investment isn't there. The typical photovoltaeic deployment takes 10 years to break event. 2012-10-14T14:35:13 Even with tax credits. 2012-10-14T14:35:35 I think power generation will always be an economy of scale. Just like datacenters. 2012-10-14T14:35:55 nah 2012-10-14T14:36:16 it was very economical already when the full tax credits were there 2012-10-14T14:36:30 Solar water heating makes sense. Wind power makes sense. Photovoltaeic cells don't. 2012-10-14T14:36:53 there as a family in ohio near me who had a "Farm" house, and they are scheduled to break even in 5 years 2012-10-14T14:37:03 Though, maybe zero gravity would allow them to make more efficient solar cells. :) 2012-10-14T14:37:25 They probably invested $100k and use very little electricity as it is. 2012-10-14T14:37:42 b/c they didn't go for batteries 2012-10-14T14:38:52 sdodson: given my current house and energy usage, I could generate enough power for me with a $30k investment and break even in 8-10 years 2012-10-14T14:39:10 And yes, I run multiple servers at my house 2012-10-14T14:39:35 gay porn servers don't count 2012-10-14T14:39:40 they run off the power of rainbows 2012-10-14T14:40:04 Gay porn servers also run off the power of credit card subscriptions 2012-10-14T14:40:52 Porn doesn't do for me what it once did. 2012-10-14T14:41:27 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photovoltaic#Current_developments the last paragraph is inspiring. 2012-10-14T14:41:28 Title: Photovoltaics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 2012-10-14T14:41:41 I run 0 computers 24x7 2012-10-14T14:41:57 Unless you count my roku which draws 2W when not in use. 2012-10-14T14:42:43 sdodson: the key development in photovoltaics recently has been the AC/DC converter on every panel, which allows panels to produce varied power, even when particular panels are shaded. 2012-10-14T14:43:12 If you have DC coming off each panel, then if one panel is shaded, the whole array performs poorly 2012-10-14T14:43:17 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/35/Best_Research-Cell_Efficiencies.png I wonder which of those are 'commercially viable' 2012-10-14T14:45:51 I think currently, PV cells are mostly a green status symbol. Perhaps 10 years from now they'll be real contributors. 2012-10-14T14:46:22 their benefit is no moving parts 2012-10-14T14:46:29 and just 'make power' 2012-10-14T14:46:32 just being there 2012-10-14T14:46:42 For best efficiency they should track the sun. 2012-10-14T14:47:04 or have curved collection mirrors above them 2012-10-14T14:47:09 to handle that 2012-10-14T14:47:12 The processes to make them aren't free either. :) And often involve very hazardous manufacturing procedures. 2012-10-14T14:47:38 It's like making a prius. Sure it gets good gas milage but you're sitting a atop 1000lbs of lead and acid. 2012-10-14T14:48:38 Yes, but we have good recycling for the lead already 2012-10-14T14:48:59 I wonder how low powered computing will affect things. I guess computers don't account for most power draw anyway so it's not a significant contributor. 2012-10-14T14:49:23 AC units account for most in the US for home users 2012-10-14T14:49:31 I thought it was refrigerators? 2012-10-14T14:49:49 Looks like the commercial market currently is in the 14-15% efficiency rating 2012-10-14T14:50:27 sdodson: nah, my AC unit accounts for 30A. Fridge is only 15A. 2012-10-14T14:50:50 True, I run my fridge year round, but my AC unit only 8 months of the year 2012-10-14T14:53:17 http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=96&t=3 22% cooling, 14% lighting, 9% water heating, 7.3% refrigeration 2012-10-14T14:53:18 Title: How is electricity used in U.S. homes? - FAQ - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) (at www.eia.gov) 2012-10-14T14:53:42 i've honestly waited for a while now for someone to combine the water heater and the fridge 2012-10-14T14:53:54 computers 3.6%, TVs and set top boxes 6.8%. I've heard DVRs takeas much as a refrigerator. 2012-10-14T14:54:00 and put those ceramic plates that direct heat 2012-10-14T14:54:03 I'm sure lighting is based upon incandescents... I'm sure that will drop significantly as CFLs and LEDs become more prominent. 2012-10-14T14:54:05 (forgets name) 2012-10-14T14:54:29 DVRs should only take as much as a computer 2012-10-14T14:54:29 Yeah, what did obama ban? incandescents under 150W? 2012-10-14T14:54:38 no 2012-10-14T14:54:44 just efficieny, no banning 2012-10-14T14:54:59 Obama didn't ban anything. That law was signed by Bush. 2012-10-14T14:55:11 actually there are incandescents that are now under the efficiency rates 2012-10-14T14:55:37 so you can buy incandescents that only use like 20w for "100w" light 2012-10-14T14:55:55 RangerZ: I think those are technically halogens. 2012-10-14T14:56:38 perhaps 2012-10-14T14:56:50 didn't really care, so i left it at that 2012-10-14T14:56:58 Are LEDs the most cost effective option right now or CFLs? 2012-10-14T14:57:10 Given the cost per unit and life span. 2012-10-14T14:57:20 LEDs are becoming more cost effective as the price drops, yes 2012-10-14T14:57:32 I have a few that are around $10/bulb 2012-10-14T14:57:46 There's a huge LED manufacturer and research firm here in Raleigh so the entire city is going LED. 2012-10-14T14:57:46 the 15$ mutlicolor ones are pretty interesting too 2012-10-14T14:58:18 No longer are the LED bulbs all $30-$50, as they were when they first emerged on the market 2012-10-14T14:58:18 I think within the next five years all traffic and street lights within the city limits will be LED. 2012-10-14T14:58:37 sdodson: so you don't have a problem with snow? 2012-10-14T14:58:47 http://www.amazon.com/Fun-Max-Multicolor-Light-16-Color-Remotes/dp/B005OKL3MA/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=21Q9PLILJKU57&coliid=I3FC0XZ1HO8UAD 2012-10-14T14:58:53 i want to get these, and test them out 2012-10-14T14:59:17 Corydon76-home: not really, It snows 2-3 times a year here with at most about 6" of accumulation. What's the problem with snow? 2012-10-14T15:00:04 Most traffic lights have sun shields above them, so you can see the color of the lit indicator when the bulb is lit 2012-10-14T15:00:21 Unfortunately, those shield catch snow. Incandescents melted the snow. LEDs don't. 2012-10-14T15:00:48 Oh, yeah that's probably not a problem here. 2012-10-14T15:01:14 So not a problem for the green indicator, but a problem for the yellow and red. 2012-10-14T15:01:31 We don't drive when it snows anyway. :) 2012-10-14T15:02:28 We brine the streets for days before the slightest sign of snow and ice which means I have to wash my car continuously. 2012-10-14T15:02:36 Another way to deal with that might be to move the indicators to diagonal, instead of vertical. You don't want to go completely horizontal, because that makes life difficult for the color-blind drivers. 2012-10-14T15:02:50 Corydon76-home: yeah thats actually an issue a lot of people up north have with them 2012-10-14T15:03:01 they don't melt the snow/ice on the light posts in people's yards 2012-10-14T15:04:13 I wonder if a small heating element would remedy that without blowing away your savings. 2012-10-14T15:04:24 It's possible. 2012-10-14T15:04:50 You're still going to have the problem of yet another piece/part that needs to be replaced, though 2012-10-14T15:05:30 Yeah, LEDs have like 20 year lifecycle, another reason they're keen to replace them here is to reduce maintenance costs. 2012-10-14T15:05:39 That was one of the draws of LEDs... you could lose an entire group of city workers whose sole job it is to replace burnt-out bulbs, but a heating element means you need to keep them. 2012-10-14T15:06:12 Well, you assume the heating elements fail with regularity. I'm sure it's longer life than the filament in a bulb. 2012-10-14T15:06:26 Though if all you do in the LEDs is to replace the green with LED and keep the incandescent for red and yellow, you're still going to save about 50% power. 2012-10-14T15:06:45 sdodson: not really, they're based upon the same technology 2012-10-14T15:07:02 But the heating element is much thicker than a filament. 2012-10-14T15:07:39 Well, you also have to deal with thermostats to detect when it needs to be turned on... 2012-10-14T15:09:38 I think physically repositioning the signals to be diagonal or just replacing the green with LED are going to be less expensive over the long run. 2012-10-14T15:11:09 You could always make the lights different shapes. 2012-10-14T15:11:34 green = circle, yellow = triangle, red = square or hexagon. 2012-10-14T15:11:34 Triangular for green, octagonal for red? 2012-10-14T15:12:11 Yeah, yellow does make more sense for triangle 2012-10-14T15:12:39 I think a square is easier to tell from a circle than a hexagon would be. 2012-10-14T15:12:48 I'm just thinking that using the same shape as a stop sign for the red would make sense 2012-10-14T15:13:20 *** CNwaV has joined #se2600 2012-10-14T15:13:20 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o CNwaV 2012-10-14T15:13:43 Maybe cars will just audibly tell people what it is as they approach a yellow or red light. 2012-10-14T15:14:13 Corydon76-home: what do you run servers for? 2012-10-14T15:14:37 sdodson: I have a phone server for various things, various services for testing 2012-10-14T15:14:47 you still work for digium? 2012-10-14T15:15:01 Nope 2012-10-14T15:15:38 But I still run toll-free numbers for various organizations 2012-10-14T15:17:07 and I'm contributing a chapter or two to the 4th edition of the O'Reilly Asterisk book 2012-10-14T15:17:36 wow, not many people can say that they contributed to an orielly book... 2012-10-14T15:17:38 Corydon76-home: what do you do these days? 2012-10-14T15:18:07 CNwaV: I was thanked second in the second edition 2012-10-14T15:18:23 nice... 2012-10-14T15:18:33 I work in a consulting position, doing a combination of programming and system administration 2012-10-14T15:18:49 so that begs the question... where the fuck were you when the 3rd edition was being written? lazy bastard 2012-10-14T15:18:52 I need to figure out my next career move in about a year. 2012-10-14T15:19:18 CNwaV: I could make all sorts of excuses, but there's nothing more than, yep, I'm a lazy bastard. 2012-10-14T15:19:26 My two options where I'm at are to move into management or into enterprise architecture. 2012-10-14T15:20:18 hmmm... so i am trying to figure out if i should bring beer or liquor to pn this year... 2012-10-14T15:20:19 Honestly, with those two choices, I'd move into management. 2012-10-14T15:20:25 ...hmmm... maybe both 2012-10-14T15:20:28 Pays better 2012-10-14T15:20:39 CNwaV: bring ruphies for Corydon76-home 2012-10-14T15:20:44 we should getr sailor jerrys to sponser us... 2012-10-14T15:21:23 sdodson: why would he want to have sex with me? There's plenty of fresh meat at the local college. 2012-10-14T15:21:24 no need, cwilbur is gonna be my little slut this year, right? 2012-10-14T15:22:00 haha, i don't thinkn anybody has to worry about me sleeping with anybody... i have absolutely NO game... 2012-10-14T15:22:09 I should go this year, I can't remember when I went to the last one. 2012-10-14T15:22:17 and all you really need is a box of condoms and an account on Craigslist. 2012-10-14T15:22:33 yeah, but that scares me 2012-10-14T15:22:39 Oh, I went twice while in RDU so it wouldn't been october 2007 tha i went last. 2012-10-14T15:22:44 Why does that scare you? 2012-10-14T15:22:59 My new car being significantly more fun to drive through the mountains than my first car. 2012-10-14T15:23:18 craigslist is scarey... i might get raped and dismembered 2012-10-14T15:23:34 wow... i cannot spell today 2012-10-14T15:23:50 Pffft. You might get raped and dismembered by visiting the local grocery store, too 2012-10-14T15:24:04 what the hell kind of grocery stores do you go to? 2012-10-14T15:24:19 The CL rapist was one city and one guy 2012-10-14T15:24:20 At least when it happens at phreaknic you know it's someone who knows the OSI layers. 2012-10-14T15:24:21 rape-mart? 2012-10-14T15:24:43 You can be assaulted literally anywhere, even your own home 2012-10-14T15:25:15 I don't find it a big risk for me. 2012-10-14T15:25:29 http://www.cuttingedge.org/n1033.html this is hilarious 2012-10-14T15:25:30 Title: A CHRISTIAN REVIEWS HALLOWEEN, THROUGH THE PRISM OF THE COMING NEW WORLD ORDER - Christian Updates - New World Order. . (at www.cuttingedge.org) 2012-10-14T15:25:32 yeah, i dont think i have to worry about being assaulted in my own hoem 2012-10-14T15:25:39 What's odder are the people who respond to ads on CL, fantasizing about you raping THEM. 2012-10-14T15:25:50 Cutting Edge sounds like a magazine for emos. 2012-10-14T15:26:11 I got one of those responses within the last week. I said no. 2012-10-14T15:26:43 I'm into seduction, not violent rape fantasies. 2012-10-14T15:27:06 i dont know if telling them "no" would mean anything... no doesn't always mean no to them... 2012-10-14T15:27:19 CNwaV: he was a submissive 2012-10-14T15:28:00 oh, that was your ad that i responded to?\ 2012-10-14T15:28:12 Another one wanted me to tie him up. Again, no. 2012-10-14T15:28:58 I don't want guys who want to get away and can't. I want guys who could get away and choose to stay. 2012-10-14T15:30:20

2012-10-14T15:30:20 you should have agreed to do it... then shown up with velcro shoes and pretend that you don't know how to tie a knot 2012-10-14T15:30:48 lol 2012-10-14T15:31:08 or just tie them up, and then just leave 2012-10-14T15:31:12 If anyone shows up wearing velcro shoes I'm leaving. 2012-10-14T15:31:15 with their computer stuff 2012-10-14T15:31:44 I think I have a dental appointment first thing in the morning tomorrow but i'm not sure. :( 2012-10-14T15:32:02 With their crotch exposed, and the window open to let in the cold air? 2012-10-14T15:32:39 well you dont want to be mean 2012-10-14T15:32:48 just a guy trying to get his nut 2012-10-14T15:32:58 wow.... http://rt.com/usa/news/us-debt-collector-disabled-veteran-372/ 2012-10-14T15:32:59 Title: ‘You should’ve served US better and died!’ Debt collector berates disabled veteran RT (at rt.com) 2012-10-14T15:33:15 i saw that on reddit earlier today... WTF 2012-10-14T15:33:34 the sad this is that there were some comments calling veterans freeloaders 2012-10-14T15:33:57 Well, they are, according to Mitt 2012-10-14T15:33:59 most of the comments were in support of veterans... but there are always a few assholes... 2012-10-14T15:34:28 Only guy in the world who can insult his most ardent supporters and still expect to get their vote. 2012-10-14T15:35:15 he isn't the black guy 2012-10-14T15:35:24 well i am not going to vote for either of the major candidates... 2012-10-14T15:35:34 HuffPo had an article that suggested that an auto accident earlier in Mitt's life caused short term memory loss. It would certainly explain a lot of stuff on the campaign trail. 2012-10-14T15:35:43 I don't understand how Romney can be so clearly against the middle class yet they're willing to vote for him. 2012-10-14T15:35:57 sdodson: cognitive dissonance 2012-10-14T15:36:06 sdodson: because he's willing to say literally anything that his audience wants to hear 2012-10-14T15:36:11 people don't vote their own interests all the time , b/c of lots of reasons 2012-10-14T15:36:22 My girlfriend's argument centers around Obama not delivering on all his promises yet when I ask what Romney and Ryan are even promising she can't name anything they're saying they'll do. 2012-10-14T15:36:32 He's made so many promises that he better not get elected; it would be impossible to fulfill them all. 2012-10-14T15:37:02 i'd rather have a person who tries to deliver on promises, but can't, than someone who is just a person with working digits for grover norquist 2012-10-14T15:37:15 Romney and Ryan have no plans, their whole argument is that Obama sucks, which I'm fully willing to admit that Obama hasn't impressed me, but wtf. 2012-10-14T15:37:30 i don't like obama after he kow-towed to wallstreet almost immediately... and i cannot support mitt because he wants to continue to deprive americans of basic rights... 2012-10-14T15:37:55 If North Carolina weren't so important I'd be voting for a third party. 2012-10-14T15:37:56 sdodson: what's truly staggering is that Ryan is one of the people in Congress actively working to foil Obama's plans 2012-10-14T15:38:26 Doesn't make any difference who I vote for in Tennessee; we're solidly red in the polls. 2012-10-14T15:38:31 and to redefine personhood as fertilization 2012-10-14T15:38:52 which has a GREAT consequence which no one has mentioned a lot yet 2012-10-14T15:38:53 My sperms look a bit like "Beanie" yet I kill those by the million every day. 2012-10-14T15:39:04 if they are a person at ferilization "on us ground" 2012-10-14T15:39:15 It'd be cool if Ryan told us that masturbation should be illegal too. 2012-10-14T15:39:31 does that mean that if a visitor has sex, their child is a us citizen? 2012-10-14T15:39:39 So my Libertarian friends may be right; this may be the year to vote for Gary Johnson, and push him to a significant percentage. 2012-10-14T15:39:46 since they got pregnant on us soil 2012-10-14T15:39:52 In the solidly red states, that is 2012-10-14T15:40:14 if you're going to vote for mitt otherwise, sure 2012-10-14T15:40:15 Corydon76-home: I'd throw away a vote for Gary Johnson to get a third party to the 5% but I can't do that this year given North Carolina being so close. 2012-10-14T15:40:24 sdodson: understood 2012-10-14T15:40:27 wheredoistand.com 2012-10-14T15:40:37 i stood with the green party canidate more than anyone 2012-10-14T15:40:49 but i'm registered in Ohio 2012-10-14T15:40:57 so my vote actually matters 2012-10-14T15:41:08 Yes, it does 2012-10-14T15:41:12 (which is fucking BS in the first place that diff states matter differently 2012-10-14T15:41:35 sending out my request for an absentee ballot tomorrow 2012-10-14T15:41:52 i honestly could care less if the econmy is in the shitter... i can go another 4 years with a shitty economy, i don't want to go 4 years more my my fellow americans suffering or being persecuted for their sexual orientation... 2012-10-14T15:41:56 Although, I'm hoping that a few more red states choose to break up their electoral colleges and wipe out winner-take-all. That would make it even more impossible for Republican candiates to win on the national stage. 2012-10-14T15:42:10 Well, part of the mattering is that we're on the line. If Obama had 75% of the vote wrapped up I'd gladly vote for Gary Johnson. It's not really as simple as certain states mattering more. 2012-10-14T15:42:17 s/my my/with my 2012-10-14T15:42:49 being against "minorities" is going to make the republican party like the whigs 2012-10-14T15:43:01 only centered in the bible belt 2012-10-14T15:43:08 Their stance in that arena is only supported by fear. 2012-10-14T15:43:14 so? 2012-10-14T15:43:21 i don't care why people do things 2012-10-14T15:43:25 our founding fathers would roll in their graves... we should just have the choice of two parties... 2012-10-14T15:43:25 i only care what they do 2012-10-14T15:43:26 And I hope 4 or 8 years from now that will no longer be an issue. 2012-10-14T15:43:28 CNwaV: I'm not so much about that as I am in making sure that gay youth survive until 18. Once you're 18, you can get out of a situation and into a better one 2012-10-14T15:43:43 sdodson: it will be 2012-10-14T15:44:11 people still say "Sand Ni....." to refer to middle easterners and blacks sometimes 2012-10-14T15:44:13 Corydon76-home: you see this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4geTMvTwE8 2012-10-14T15:44:14 Title: It Gets Better - Red Hat - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2012-10-14T15:44:22 sdodson: nice 2012-10-14T15:44:25 those are good 2012-10-14T15:45:42 we are still a few generations away from race being not an issue in the US, at the earliest 2012-10-14T15:46:08 You think race or orientation will be ignored first? 2012-10-14T15:46:35 The guy who did that video does all of the videos for the customer portal. He's a great videographer. 2012-10-14T15:46:36 race 2012-10-14T15:46:36 orientation , by non.religious 2012-10-14T15:46:48 It's a good question. I think orientation. I already see signs of reentrenchment of racist attitudes. 2012-10-14T15:46:51 the evangelicals will ensure that orientation continues to be an issue 2012-10-14T15:47:20 Bahhumbug: did you see the Pew report on that? 2012-10-14T15:47:24 nope 2012-10-14T15:47:27 me neither 2012-10-14T15:47:48 Americans are becoming less religious, entirely due to the churches being antigay. 2012-10-14T15:47:56 Not down here. 2012-10-14T15:48:02 Yeah, I think orientation will continue to matter more as peole can point to the church as a source for their biases. 2012-10-14T15:48:03 even down here 2012-10-14T15:48:08 but they don't admit it 2012-10-14T15:48:12 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wayne-besen/gay-bashing-by-churches-is-why-a-new-pew-poll-shows-america-losing-its-religion_b_1951650.html 2012-10-14T15:48:13 Title: Wayne Besen: Gay Bashing by Churches Is Why a New Pew Poll Shows America Losing Its Religion (at www.huffingtonpost.com) 2012-10-14T15:48:37 Religion won't change, but people will reject the church. 2012-10-14T15:48:47 Don't buy it. 2012-10-14T15:49:03 I see too many young kids with church too far up their ass for their own good down here. 2012-10-14T15:49:20 it happens up north too 2012-10-14T15:49:27 with baptists in particular up there 2012-10-14T15:49:29 And I know kids of friends of mine up north that are as brainwashed. 2012-10-14T15:49:38 Well, as I've said to others, the most radical political act that young people can do is coming out of the closet. 2012-10-14T15:49:53 I don't argue that. 2012-10-14T15:49:57 There's apparently a movement within baptist churches to accept gays. Baptist, not southern baptist. 2012-10-14T15:50:08 Once you know and like someone who is gay, you're much less inclined to vote against them or tolerate ministers who preach against them. 2012-10-14T15:50:31 good thing none of us like any of the gay people we know 2012-10-14T15:50:31 religion is too inbred in most in the south. 2012-10-14T15:50:34 ;) 2012-10-14T15:50:51 I can see it losing its stigma up north. 2012-10-14T15:50:54 Not down here. 2012-10-14T15:50:59 Not in my lifetime. 2012-10-14T15:51:03 Bahhumbug: we're seeing evidence of tolerance even in small communities 2012-10-14T15:51:12 it really already has, but not as much as it needs to 2012-10-14T15:51:26 Blacks are actually among the most anti gay 2012-10-14T15:51:35 for lots of reasons 2012-10-14T15:51:41 RangerZ: they can be... but not necessarily so 2012-10-14T15:51:45 machismo matters there 2012-10-14T15:51:54 "evidence of tolerance", meh. It needs to be tolerated. Period. And as long as the fuckers on the pulpits get their way that's not about to change for most people. 2012-10-14T15:51:58 I hope that I am wrong. 2012-10-14T15:52:09 intolerance makes me want to punch people in the throat. 2012-10-14T15:52:27 Where I see tolerance being the biggest problem is in the Midwest. 2012-10-14T15:52:39 I lived there. I cry foul. 2012-10-14T15:52:50 especially states like Idaho, Montana, Nebraska 2012-10-14T15:52:55 Well, Chicago != 'Midwest', really. 2012-10-14T15:53:26 Big cities are generally all very tolerant 2012-10-14T15:53:38 You've never been to the Southside of Chicago :) 2012-10-14T15:53:49 All you have to do is look at Salt Lake City, UT 2012-10-14T15:53:50 hell even nashville is like the NYNY of the south 2012-10-14T15:54:09 nashville seems to shut down on sunday mornings 2012-10-14T15:54:27 It's hard to get a drink before noon on a sunday! 2012-10-14T15:55:36 And there's a natural reason why big cities tend to be more tolerant. In intolerant states, gay people move to the city once they're able to leave the smaller, less-tolerant towns 2012-10-14T15:55:54 inverse white flight 2012-10-14T15:55:56 lol 2012-10-14T15:56:22 we should name it... "Jazz hands migration"? 2012-10-14T15:56:29 But, I help run a gay chatroom for youth, and the big thing is a safe place for the youth, not only of America, but across the world 2012-10-14T15:56:48 We had a kid from the UK who was gay-bashed, lost some teeth. 2012-10-14T15:57:08 And because the local cops did nothing, his friends tracked down the basher and kicked his teeth in 2012-10-14T15:57:16 See... That makes me want to punch people in the throat and watch them writhe around on the ground unable to breath. 2012-10-14T15:57:17 That would've happened anyway, just a matter of time, all brits lose teeth. :) 2012-10-14T15:57:22 (breathe, even) 2012-10-14T15:57:31 Way for his friends :) 2012-10-14T15:57:51 Yep 2012-10-14T15:57:59 friggin' cat on my lp, unable to tupe.l 2012-10-14T15:58:08 tuples 2012-10-14T15:58:15 heh 2012-10-14T15:59:44 Speaking of the chat, I'm supposed to be having a Council meeting right now 2012-10-14T15:59:56 but no sign of the guy running the meeting. 2012-10-14T17:30:21 ok, who wants a hug? 2012-10-14T17:30:55 * CNwaV puts on a sign *FREE HUGS AND METH* 2012-10-14T17:31:18 * CNwaV crosses out "HUGS AND" 2012-10-14T18:34:23 wilpig: the clarion says they are overbooked for that weekend 2012-10-14T18:47:13 you've got to be kidding me? 2012-10-14T18:50:11 brimstone: you did tell them under group Phreaknic right? 2012-10-14T20:29:24 yeah 2012-10-14T20:29:32 she couldn't find phreaknic 2012-10-14T20:30:00 whoa... walmart employees threatening to strike on black friday... 2012-10-14T20:30:13 they should 2012-10-14T20:30:16 dooooooooo it 2012-10-14T20:32:18 walmart wasn't unionized when i was there and there was a lot of heavy handed stuff done to prevent us from unionizing. 2012-10-14T20:32:23 Perhaps it varies by state. 2012-10-14T20:33:19 I have a funny story about that actually... the manager at the local walmart was a douche, and told my mom, who came into the store to do an intendant audit of marketing materials, to go dive into the dumpster to get the packing slip that ..HE.. was suppose to keep, "if she wanted it" ... that was a week before the 360 launched, and then I went to the store to see If i could get one at the midnight launch... He was being a dick again.. 2012-10-14T20:33:26 whoa..block of text... 2012-10-14T20:34:29 but anyways.... after saying that... someone grabbed his shoulder from behind and he was pulled off the block he got up to talk from... and got his ass handed to him by the crowd... 2012-10-14T20:36:21 me and my friend saw that then basically ran out of the damn store... and passed the sheriff deputies and local police run past us.. (it was kinda gratifying in a family karmic sense, lol) 2012-10-14T20:50:33 *** LastChild has joined #se2600 2012-10-14T20:50:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o LastChild 2012-10-14T20:58:24 Walmart is not unionized anywhere as far as I know. And there are walkouts any various stores around the country at this moment. It won't amount to anything. The instant they can't get staff coverage for shifts they will fire the strikers and hire replacements. 2012-10-14T20:58:34