2012-10-03T00:04:00  <er|c> sdodson: i got fedora stickers at makerfaire
2012-10-03T00:09:58  <Bahhumbug> You left out the whole beta thing.
2012-10-03T00:11:52  <sdodson> It's all beta.
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2012-10-03T00:29:33  <Bahhumbug> As much of a trainwreck as fedora is they still do have a certified GA release.  And it can't even be argued as a beta for EL any longer with the wide divergence between the two these days.
2012-10-03T00:38:59  <sdodson> it's all good
2012-10-03T00:39:42  <sdodson> There's really not much divergence, just delays due to QA and a much mor elimited package set.
2012-10-03T00:43:39  <er|c> cool story bro
2012-10-03T00:44:55  <sdodson> i know
2012-10-03T00:45:59  <er|c> you should blog about it
2012-10-03T00:46:27  <er|c> on livejournal
2012-10-03T00:46:44  <er|c> Dagmar has a livejournal
2012-10-03T00:47:16  <sdodson> er|c: do you too?
2012-10-03T00:48:35  <er|c> http://evildagmar.livejournal.com/
2012-10-03T00:48:36  <GateKeeper> Title: Adult Content Notice (at evildagmar.livejournal.com)
2012-10-03T00:48:42  <er|c> no i got tumblr
2012-10-03T00:49:07  <Bahhumbug> sysvinit vs systemd and the huge raping the latter has down to the entire ecosystem.
2012-10-03T00:49:22  <Bahhumbug> sigh, s/down/done.  I should really sleep at some point tonight.
2012-10-03T00:49:41  <er|c> yea they should have gone with SMF
2012-10-03T00:50:23  <Bahhumbug> Or, and here's a novel idea, they could have left it the fuck alone and not fixed what wasn't broken.
2012-10-03T00:50:24  <sdodson> systemd will be in rhel7 though
2012-10-03T00:50:28  <er|c> but who can argue that sysvinit isn't a pile of garbage
2012-10-03T00:50:32  <Bahhumbug> I've yet to see confirmation of that.
2012-10-03T00:50:40  <Bahhumbug> If you can provide a citation that would be wonderful.
2012-10-03T00:50:49  <er|c> SYSVINIT IS A PILE OF DOO DO
2012-10-03T00:51:45  <Bahhumbug> And even if it was determined by someone other than fuckstick Lennart that it needed to be replaced howz about not TOUCHING THE ENTIRE FUCKING DISTRIBUTION to do it?
2012-10-03T00:52:13  <er|c> why u mad bro
2012-10-03T00:52:20  <Bahhumbug> Lennart is trying to remake linux in his own image.  And it's annoying.  Especially when FESCo doesn't have the balls to tell him to fuck off.
2012-10-03T00:52:36  <er|c> true
2012-10-03T00:52:51  <sdodson> I can see that. Everyone wants parallel startup and stuff thought.
2012-10-03T00:53:13  <Bahhumbug> That's fine.  That is, however, not the drive behind systemd.
2012-10-03T00:53:17  <er|c> yea i want it hard
2012-10-03T00:53:20  <Bahhumbug> It was Hughsie and others whining about startup time.
2012-10-03T00:53:22  <sdodson> I forgot my password, but there's a groups discussion where they linked to an article of someone stating that systemd would be in rhel7.
2012-10-03T00:53:24  <Bahhumbug> On laptops.
2012-10-03T00:53:47  <Bahhumbug> I've seen RH emps make statements that it would and would not be in 7.
2012-10-03T00:54:39  <Bahhumbug> Last I heard it was still being debated with a good chance it would be systemd due to time and labor moving back and forth between fedora/systemd and el/upstart.
2012-10-03T00:54:45  <sdodson> But systemd has been in F17 and F18.
2012-10-03T00:55:02  <Bahhumbug> Not everything gets in EL that's in fedora.
2012-10-03T00:55:17  <Bahhumbug> It's going to come down to the larger clients dictating what happens, I suspect.
2012-10-03T00:55:19  <sdodson> Right, but i don't see them switching out the init system.
2012-10-03T00:55:46  <er|c> upstart is stupid
2012-10-03T00:56:14  <Bahhumbug> No argument from me on that front.
2012-10-03T00:56:26  <Bahhumbug> The RH upstart was crippled from the beginning.
2012-10-03T00:57:32  <er|c> they should copy SMF
2012-10-03T00:57:38  <er|c> that shit is tight
2012-10-03T00:58:00  <Bahhumbug> I would much prefer SMF over systemd.  SMF doesn't redefine every single aspect of the core system.
2012-10-03T00:58:44  <Bahhumbug> At this point they should just shitcan fedora.  It's really nothing more than a lesser ubuntu at this stage with the direction it's going.
2012-10-03T00:58:44  <er|c> finish up LXC too
2012-10-03T00:58:54  <Bahhumbug> That's moving along.
2012-10-03T00:59:11  <Bahhumbug> Should be fully supported in EL7 as lots of big names are supposedly clammering for it.
2012-10-03T00:59:26  <Bahhumbug> (Rumor, of course.)
2012-10-03T01:00:16  <er|c> yea idk it seemed kinda stalled to me but i haven't checked recently
2012-10-03T01:00:34  <er|c> they need to copy smartos zones
2012-10-03T01:00:44  <er|c> THAT SHIT IS TIGHT
2012-10-03T01:01:04  <er|c> and then
2012-10-03T01:01:14  <er|c> copy FMA and get some real mgmt tools
2012-10-03T01:01:24  <er|c> then i'll stop using solaris, maybe
2012-10-03T01:01:29  <sdodson> ahh, that discussion is a customer asking if it would include it
2012-10-03T01:01:51  <Bahhumbug> And the answer is "To be determined."?
2012-10-03T01:02:04  <Bahhumbug> Because if not it's not likely to have public exposure.
2012-10-03T01:02:10  <er|c> sdodson: how do i check the status of my bonded interface on linux?
2012-10-03T01:02:20  <er|c> cat /proc/net/bond/bond0
2012-10-03T01:02:23  <er|c> lame shit
2012-10-03T01:02:27  <Bahhumbug> Unless Redhat is totally changing the way they handled feature exposure on new releases.
2012-10-03T01:03:16  <Bahhumbug> bleah - going back to watching my favorite serial killer.
2012-10-03T01:03:27  <er|c> wait 1 more
2012-10-03T01:03:30  <Bahhumbug> I've done far too much work today.  Time to relax.
2012-10-03T01:03:32  <sdodson> er|c: that's the way i know how, there's probably also information exposed via ethtool
2012-10-03T01:03:40  <er|c> how do i see what's on the scsi bus?
2012-10-03T01:03:44  <er|c> cat /proc/scsi/scsi
2012-10-03T01:03:48  <er|c> stupid
2012-10-03T01:04:11  <er|c> why the hell would it be in ethtool
2012-10-03T01:04:48  <er|c> yea its not
2012-10-03T01:09:27  <sdodson> bummer
2012-10-03T01:14:57  <RangerZ> https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-W2pdj47P6to/UGvGYuyj4pI/AAAAAAAAFhs/KiLsqeFfuII/s536/12+-+1 my friend's home made geiger counter
2012-10-03T01:15:12  <RangerZ> i keep telling him to make it say "you're fucked" after a certain dose
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2012-10-03T02:52:25  <aestetix> vagina
2012-10-03T05:57:41  <aestetix> man
2012-10-03T05:57:48  <aestetix> gmail javascript sucks
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2012-10-03T10:24:56  <Bahhumbug> s/ javascript//
2012-10-03T10:29:00  <timoguin> gmail changed the webmail game, mothafuggaaaa
2012-10-03T10:29:53  <brimstone> i don't play the webmail game
2012-10-03T10:30:40  <Bahhumbug> The webmail game is zero-sum.
2012-10-03T10:31:06  <Bahhumbug> To each their own, of course, but I have an issue with google having access to my mail for some reason.
2012-10-03T10:32:12  <Bahhumbug> Sigh.  This day is already sucking.
2012-10-03T10:32:14  * Bahhumbug &
2012-10-03T10:34:47  <timoguin> Bahhumbug: I do as well.
2012-10-03T10:55:36  <sasquatc4> grrr itunes, i have a feeling anything encoded in newer itunes no longer plays in my car cause of fucked up characters and stuff they put in the metadata, all old ripped stuff plays fine, new not so much
2012-10-03T10:57:31  <brimstone> submit a patch
2012-10-03T10:57:34  <brimstone> OH WAIT
2012-10-03T10:59:25  <sasquatc4> yea, i never use itunes myself, its just what the gf uses
2012-10-03T10:59:56  <sasquatc4> its too bad no one makes large size mp3 players anymore, only real choice at the time for her was either ipod or zune
2012-10-03T11:01:52  <timoguin> have any of you used clementine? was looking it up yesterday, based on amarok 1.4
2012-10-03T11:01:58  <timoguin> i looove amarok back in the day.
2012-10-03T11:02:02  <timoguin> until amarok 2
2012-10-03T11:02:07  <timoguin> since then i've been unhappy
2012-10-03T11:02:20  <brimstone> i really only use live streams or pandora anymore
2012-10-03T11:02:27  <timoguin> me too
2012-10-03T11:02:29  <timoguin> but it's because i'm lazy.
2012-10-03T11:02:38  <brimstone> if i want to listen to something specific, and it's not in my pianobar cache, i go to youtube
2012-10-03T11:02:41  <brimstone> cuz i'm that lazy
2012-10-03T11:02:47  <timoguin> i miss having a well-organized music library
2012-10-03T11:02:53  <timoguin> i do the samething now brimstone
2012-10-03T11:02:55  <timoguin> but i don't want to.
2012-10-03T11:03:14  <timoguin> MPD used to be fun, but I remember it not supporting tags.
2012-10-03T11:03:30  <timoguin> file-based music organization gets way too shit when your library grows
2012-10-03T11:16:41  <MaxieZ> I used to work on the mpd project.  It had the mp3 libraries, so I'm sure they could add it.  Not sure if they ever did though.
2012-10-03T11:16:47  <MaxieZ> I left years ago.  Like 2005.
2012-10-03T11:19:14  <nachoguy> mr0nin
2012-10-03T11:27:57  <timoguin> that's cool MaxieZ
2012-10-03T11:28:12  <timoguin> looks like it's still a flat-file database on the server side
2012-10-03T11:28:18  <timoguin> but some clients have built-in tag editors
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2012-10-03T11:43:29  <timoguin> http://www.nongnu.org/keepassc/
2012-10-03T11:43:30  <GateKeeper> Title: KeePassC (at www.nongnu.org)
2012-10-03T11:43:38  <timoguin> ^^ ncurses-based keepass
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2012-10-03T12:22:16  <sasquatc4> grrr, now time to find a way home through debate traffic, i think i get screwed no matter which way i take
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2012-10-03T16:33:12  <NotLarry> http://imgur.com/r/funny/YWCik
2012-10-03T16:33:13  <GateKeeper> Title: Wait... Didnt we try this once? - Imgur (at imgur.com)
2012-10-03T17:12:20  <nachoguy> http://cdn.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/8025514416_8c0ebd4b30.jpg  <-buttchugger
2012-10-03T17:19:17  <NotLarry> Dagmar: ping
2012-10-03T17:27:34  <sasquatc4> w00t, time to test the onlive
2012-10-03T17:28:33  <NotLarry> wtf?
2012-10-03T17:29:09  <NotLarry> I've been drinking for a long time and I got news for you college boys, if your sticking that shit up your ass yoru doing it wrong.
2012-10-03T17:29:29  <NotLarry> s/yoru/you're
2012-10-03T17:29:40  <NotLarry> s/yoru/you\'re
2012-10-03T17:30:22  <NotLarry> .The false reports have depicted me in a shameful light, and this has severely and permanently tarnished my reputation,.
2012-10-03T17:30:35  <NotLarry> good call
2012-10-03T17:34:39  <timoguin> NotLarry: That's like saying in-the-vag is the only right kind of sex.
2012-10-03T17:34:44  <timoguin> racist!
2012-10-03T17:35:39  <Dickie> I'll have you know there's nothing wrong with intaking alcohol through your butthole. The key is moderation.
2012-10-03T17:35:45  <Dickie> That's what we're not teaching these kids.
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2012-10-03T17:44:40  <timoguin> Dickie: concur
2012-10-03T17:49:22  <aestetix> vagina
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2012-10-03T17:52:15  <er|c> http://www.collegehumor.com/video/6830834/mitt-romney-style-gangnam-style-parody
2012-10-03T17:52:16  <GateKeeper> Title: Mitt Romney Style (Gangnam Style Parody) - CollegeHumor Video (at www.collegehumor.com)
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2012-10-03T18:35:41  <NotLarry> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_SbSF6q4Yg
2012-10-03T18:35:42  <GateKeeper> Title: Tony Hawk 900 in Sweden - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2012-10-03T18:39:53  <er|c> doesn't seem that impressive
2012-10-03T18:45:07  <NotLarry> Yeah, anybody could do it:)
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2012-10-03T18:46:32  <NotLarry> But at 52?  Fuck, you're not even going to live that long.
2012-10-03T18:51:14  <Dagmar> There's a movie on Crackle with "Oppai" in the title.
2012-10-03T18:51:23  <Dagmar> That's all you need to know.
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2012-10-03T19:17:05  <RangerZ> Dagmar: thank god for incognito mode... i can search for things without completely poisoning my google history...
2012-10-03T19:17:34  <wilpig> hehe you think incognito isn't tracking you
2012-10-03T19:18:49  <Bahhumbug> Just use any of the 987346598346598234659872345987234650234957230457345 open proxies that are published daily.
2012-10-03T19:26:19  <Dagmar> I could care less what's in my browser history.  This is the silliest kung fu movie I've ever seen
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2012-10-03T19:36:53  <Bahhumbug> You could care less than you do what's in your browser history?
2012-10-03T19:57:55  <Dagmar> Yes, doing so would take work.
2012-10-03T19:58:10  <Dagmar> Just like the reason I don't kick you for failing at pedantry.
2012-10-03T19:58:56  * Catonic tilts his head
2012-10-03T20:51:32  <wilpig> oh damn
2012-10-03T20:51:46  <wilpig> SuperTorrents.org is currently down due to a raid at PRQ, where our site is hosted.
2012-10-03T20:51:49  <wilpig> ST was definitely not a target of the raid, we received this email from PRQ at 6PM EST on Wednesday - http://pastebin.com/czBTC7mw.
2012-10-03T20:51:52  <wilpig> ETA is still unknown but we will be back soon.
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2012-10-03T21:15:22  <Dagmar> Amazing.  Romney can talk for three and a half minutes, continuously, without ever stopping to tell the truth
2012-10-03T21:29:33  <er|c> he wants to kill big bird!
2012-10-03T21:31:36  <Dagmar> You heard him.  It's not worth borrowing money from China for.
2012-10-03T21:33:19  <RangerZ> yeah... we wouldn't want poor children to be able to read anymore...
2012-10-03T21:37:46  <Dagmar> LOL
2012-10-03T21:37:51  <Dagmar> "It's time to end it!"
2012-10-03T21:38:41  <RangerZ> ummm
2012-10-03T21:38:55  <RangerZ> tesla is growing very fast, and is in contract with toyota
2012-10-03T21:39:01  <Dagmar> Yep
2012-10-03T21:44:56  <Dagmar> http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2012/09/server-room-nightmares?pid=273
2012-10-03T21:44:57  <GateKeeper> Title: Server Snuff: 7 Videos of a Sysadmins Worst Nightmares | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com (at www.wired.com)
2012-10-03T21:49:31  <Dagmar> The next to last one is my favorite
2012-10-03T22:17:39  <RangerZ> damn... and here i forgot people dreamed of having no health insurance
2012-10-03T22:18:21  <er|c> I HAVE A DREAM!
2012-10-03T22:18:28  <er|c> of dying in an alley somewhere
2012-10-03T22:18:55  <er|c> Dagmar: nice link
2012-10-03T22:25:47  <Bahhumbug> Jesus...
2012-10-03T22:25:59  <Bahhumbug> I fucking want to curb stomp Romney SO bad.
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2012-10-03T22:32:23  <Bahhumbug> Jeez...  what a lying cunt.
2012-10-03T22:32:40  <Dickie> That's not nice.
2012-10-03T22:32:51  <Bahhumbug> No shit.
2012-10-03T22:32:59  <Dagmar> I feel like we should be apologizing to politifact
2012-10-03T22:34:48  <Bahhumbug> I want to wipe that smarmy grin off his face.
2012-10-03T22:35:37  <Bahhumbug> Is it against the debate rules for Obama to just say "Ok, that's enough.  Stop right there.  Stop you're fucking lying and tell the truth.  Just one time."?
2012-10-03T22:35:44  <Bahhumbug> err, your
2012-10-03T22:35:48  <Bahhumbug> whatever
2012-10-03T23:15:39  <Corydon76-home> He can say whatever he wants.  But he's in the lead right now, and he won't do anything that could potentially piss off the moderate independents, who determine the results of the election.
2012-10-03T23:50:54  <NotLarry> er|c: Your not the only one that dreams of you dying in an alley somewhere...