2012-10-01T00:12:11 lulz 2012-10-01T00:34:13 *** MrResistor has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T00:39:05 *** MrResistor has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-10-01T00:43:46 *** CNwaV has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T00:43:46 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o CNwaV 2012-10-01T00:45:12 dood... corsair makes a nice closed loop water cooling setup 2012-10-01T00:45:30 at l.east for $40 it's nice 2012-10-01T00:56:09 omg... i still hav ent booked my hotel 2012-10-01T01:01:49 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-10-01T01:22:46 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T01:23:48 *** sasquatc3 has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T01:23:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sasquatc3 2012-10-01T01:27:05 *** sasquatc4 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2012-10-01T01:35:53 *** v4mp has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T01:42:11 *** v4mp has quit IRC () 2012-10-01T02:12:00 *** MxZBot has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) 2012-10-01T02:16:30 *** Dementia has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-10-01T02:18:53 *** MaxieZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2012-10-01T02:25:13 http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Mormon-bloggers-accuse-Ann-Romney-of-not-wearing/-GvYzF1P1EGCN6mJjBvLtQ.cspx?rss=20 2012-10-01T02:25:16 wow... just wow.... wtf 2012-10-01T02:25:39 apparently the "magic underwear" joke is actually a _real_ thing 2012-10-01T02:28:19 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment 2012-10-01T02:28:20 Title: Temple garment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 2012-10-01T02:29:37 ahh, apparently they consider that derogatory, so I'm sorry, I thought it was just a bad joke, not a real thing... 2012-10-01T02:36:28 Yep, the magic underwear is a real thing. 2012-10-01T02:37:26 i had honestly never met a mormon until I cam to nashville 2012-10-01T02:37:33 and i've met quite a few down here 2012-10-01T02:39:07 I wouldn't know if I have or have not. I don't go around asking people if they're LDS :) 2012-10-01T02:52:11 they were missionairies 2012-10-01T02:52:15 kinda hard to miss 2012-10-01T02:52:54 but not as hard to miss as the Scientologists in Tampa , lol 2012-10-01T04:20:00 *** MaxieZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T04:24:47 *** MaxieZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2012-10-01T04:35:09 http://home.woot.com/offers/econo-heat-wall-heater this might be cool for anyone who is/has a cold baby 2012-10-01T04:35:10 Title: Econo-Heat Wall Heater (at home.woot.com) 2012-10-01T06:45:47 *** LastChild has quit IRC (Quit: and the monkey flips the switch) 2012-10-01T06:51:24 *** ZeroMinuS has quit IRC () 2012-10-01T07:05:54 *** ChanServ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2012-10-01T07:07:12 *** ChanServ has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T07:07:13 *** rajaniemi.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ 2012-10-01T07:52:38 *** stowbari has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T08:55:20 *** v4mp has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T09:23:14 *** v4mp has quit IRC () 2012-10-01T10:23:39 mr0nin 2012-10-01T11:01:11 http://www.walmart.com/cp/Toasters-Ovens/90774 <-- also useful for people with a cold baby 2012-10-01T11:01:17 Title: Toasters, Ovens, Small Kitchen Appliances (at www.walmart.com) 2012-10-01T11:05:25 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-10-01T11:10:27 tel:*2767&3855%23 <-- lol 2012-10-01T11:26:55 *** MaxieZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T11:28:13 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T11:28:34 *** ChanServ sets mode: +v MaxieZ 2012-10-01T11:47:10 *** xmixer has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T12:00:30 *** chronode has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T12:10:57 *** chronode has quit IRC (Quit: WeeChat 0.3.7) 2012-10-01T12:19:08 ~dre 2012-10-01T12:40:02 *** xmixer has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-10-01T13:07:45 http://porn.serverbear.com/ 2012-10-01T13:07:46 Title: Server Porn (at porn.serverbear.com) 2012-10-01T13:07:48 SFW. 2012-10-01T13:07:52 :) 2012-10-01T13:09:57 i'm setting up a 96GB server at work 2012-10-01T13:10:03 this was a spare too 2012-10-01T14:53:12 *** alyawn has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T14:59:03 *** alyawn has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-01T15:00:11 *** alyawn has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T15:01:27 *** oddball_ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) 2012-10-01T15:03:03 *** oddball has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T15:23:46 *** oddball has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-10-01T15:30:34 *** oddball has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T15:58:27 *** oddball has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-10-01T16:00:28 *** oddball has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T16:00:36 *** dogatlarge has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T16:07:54 *** dogatlarge has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-10-01T16:35:14 *** oddball has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-10-01T17:16:09 Dagmar: I heard you were at datacenter world today. 2012-10-01T17:28:00 alright time to head out. I was told conference room 13 @ 5 2012-10-01T17:58:11 You were greivously misinformed. 2012-10-01T17:58:13 n 2012-10-01T17:58:29 That'll teach him to surf free porn: http://cheezburger.com/6613223168 2012-10-01T17:58:30 Title: Parenting Fails: My Parents are Famous! - Cheezburger (at cheezburger.com) 2012-10-01T18:06:03 * Dagmar calls the NOC. 2012-10-01T18:06:26 "Yes, I'm starting instant change 24381, deletion of the internets" 2012-10-01T18:06:36 Pat doesn't even blink at that. 2012-10-01T18:07:30 I scripted that shit into a cron job hours ago 2012-10-01T18:07:44 The only thing I could't script was the phone call, and I'm working on that 2012-10-01T18:08:35 If I can find a way to do it, you can bet I'm going to start completely automating changes right down to the phone call 2012-10-01T18:09:06 automation is for lazy people. 2012-10-01T18:09:11 Ding! 2012-10-01T18:09:12 Dagmar: just WORK HARDER 2012-10-01T18:09:30 That's why I scripted it. 2012-10-01T18:09:33 So that I could work less. 2012-10-01T18:09:52 That chnage would have happened if I were in a coma 2012-10-01T18:09:57 kids these days. 2012-10-01T18:10:42 Anyway, it be COFFEE TIME. 2012-10-01T18:11:35 Oh, BTW, Android Market has a couple of apps for 25 cents in honor of having more downloads than Microsoft could ever dream of seeing on their app marketplace 2012-10-01T18:11:51 ...including, FINALLY, a tablet version of Adobe Sketch Pro\ 2012-10-01T18:12:13 Finally I can use my tablet for finger-painting. YAY! 2012-10-01T18:26:28 *** oddball has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T18:35:10 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2012-10-01T18:35:41 *** brimstone has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2012-10-01T18:35:41 *** opticron has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-10-01T18:46:17 this is a tough maze https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc6/251154_10151052479777267_1303090292_n.jpg 2012-10-01T18:47:14 *** FNG has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T18:47:18 *** opticron has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T18:47:18 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o opticron 2012-10-01T18:47:22 *** `Genphlux <`Genphlux!~Genphlux@c-76-107-190-85.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T18:59:13 That's evil. 2012-10-01T19:15:10 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T19:31:55 *** FNG has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2012-10-01T19:32:53 *** `Genphlux <`Genphlux!~Genphlux@c-76-107-190-85.hsd1.tn.comcast.net> has quit IRC () 2012-10-01T19:47:29 *** brimstone has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T19:47:30 *** brimstone has quit IRC (Changing host) 2012-10-01T19:47:30 *** brimstone has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T19:47:30 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o brimstone 2012-10-01T20:08:04 can i just go around the outside? 2012-10-01T20:13:03 *** oddball has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2012-10-01T20:16:58 Dagmar: I assure you there was someone at datacenter world introducing himself as you 2012-10-01T20:17:05 are you sure it wasn't you? 2012-10-01T20:41:31 *** LastChild has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T20:41:31 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o LastChild 2012-10-01T20:51:21 *** kive has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T20:51:22 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o kive 2012-10-01T21:06:08 wilpig: I'm quite sure it wasn't me, but I wouldn't suprised to hear reports that I've suddenly gained 30 pounds and now have long, greying hair and a goatee. 2012-10-01T21:06:20 er be surprised 2012-10-01T21:07:19 I spent a good portion of the day in the office quietly mulling oevr possible ways to assemble a script that will diagnose and bitchslap DiamondIP on it's own 2012-10-01T21:19:33 *** sasquatc3 has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-10-01T21:25:59 *** sasquatc4 has joined #se2600 2012-10-01T21:25:59 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o sasquatc4 2012-10-01T21:52:59 Heh. This is nifty http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/skywall/Eshk/pet 2012-10-01T21:53:00 Title: Pets & Mounts - Community - World of Warcraft (at us.battle.net) 2012-10-01T21:53:33 This is fucking HILARIOUS tho http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/skywall/Eshk/feed 2012-10-01T21:53:34 Title: Activity Feed - Community - World of Warcraft (at us.battle.net) 2012-10-01T22:07:41 Glenn Beck thinks that goons, esp goons who play EvE, are undercover CIA agents .... hilarity ensues 2012-10-01T22:09:14 i think you need some vitamin d 2012-10-01T22:09:51 just commenting on the insanity 2012-10-01T22:10:45 http://raymii.org/cms/p_Small_Linux_PCs_overview 2012-10-01T22:10:46 Title: Small Linux PCs overview - Raymii.org (at raymii.org) 2012-10-01T22:13:31 http://www.glennbeck.com/2012/09/17/is-the-obama-administration-covering-up-scandalous-details-in-libya-attack/ 2012-10-01T22:13:32 Title: Is the Obama administration covering up scandalous details in Libya attack? Glenn Beck (at www.glennbeck.com) 2012-10-01T22:14:16 Sean is probably rightfully laughing his ass off right about now 2012-10-01T22:16:16 the saddest thing is he is now making more money from being off the air 2012-10-01T22:17:02 but atleast he isn't putting mason/nazi/celtic/soviet/etc symbols all together and saying that obama is all of them at once.... 2012-10-01T22:17:07 atleast not on TV 2012-10-01T22:20:09 he's trying to get headlines again off of a someone's death, thing is, that someone has friends 2012-10-01T22:20:23 * wilpig pokes rhia 2012-10-01T22:20:33 it's about time the goons went after Beck 2012-10-01T22:21:56 sometimes i wish anonymous had a paramilitary unit 2012-10-01T22:22:14 special forces booger sniper squad ten? 2012-10-01T22:25:17 screw beck. I wanna see some goons go after nancy grace 2012-10-01T22:25:50 RangerZ: yeah, there are a bunch of old Red Russkies that could have a few things to say to Beck about lumping them in with the Nazis 2012-10-01T22:27:16 rhia: true 2012-10-01T22:27:59 hell some catholics who lived through the "troubled times" would give him a good 'ol time 2012-10-01T22:28:08 irish* catholics 2012-10-01T22:28:15 tired of dealing with idgits who claim that Obama is a fascist-liberal-socialist-communist-KGB-plant-Manchurian candidate-Kenyan-muslim 2012-10-01T22:28:38 hell, just any northern irishman over the age of 60.... etc 2012-10-01T22:28:45 dude is a centrist corporatist, just like the Clintons 2012-10-01T22:29:02 thats my biggest issue with him 2012-10-01T22:29:05 the problem is, he's ... shhhhh, "black" 2012-10-01T22:29:10 RangerZ: +1 2012-10-01T22:29:17 his DOJ other than cantor is all RIAA/MPAA lawyers 2012-10-01T22:29:32 mine is Afghanistan and the bloody drones and NOT reversing Bush's power grabs 2012-10-01T22:29:54 Bahhumbug: +1 as well 2012-10-01T22:30:09 i don't agree on afghanistan... b/c we need to actually set up a SEMI functional government (which we have done in parts of the country) 2012-10-01T22:30:14 Da BEARS! 2012-10-01T22:30:15 but the power grabs +1 2012-10-01T22:30:51 I love seeing Romo pout while he's laying on the ground. 2012-10-01T22:30:54 we don't need _another_ "charlie wilson's war" b/c we didn't help afganis rebuild their coutnry 2012-10-01T22:31:03 RangerZ: we should have Never gone into Afghanistan - period ... you don't fight ideas with a full scale army, 2012-10-01T22:31:11 ohh i agree 2012-10-01T22:31:20 you don't go after flies with a shotgun 2012-10-01T22:31:25 You mean the Russian Disaster didn't teach us anything? 2012-10-01T22:31:26 but in jan 09... the 'best' bad choice is about what we did 2012-10-01T22:31:35 yeah, i know 2012-10-01T22:31:44 Bush didn't have the fucking balls to do what was necessary and make the tough decisions. 2012-10-01T22:31:54 Obama said "Go fucking kill the SOB." 2012-10-01T22:31:57 i remember ~shudder~ that Palin thing 2012-10-01T22:32:32 all told, tho, all that is just window dressing 2012-10-01T22:33:07 yeah, but the bin laden raid cemented the fact that the GOP couldn't say shit about him being weak on foreign policy, etc 2012-10-01T22:33:13 we went into Afghan and Iraq, one with a good excuse, one with a bad one, both excuses, to bookend Iran 2012-10-01T22:33:43 saddest part is that iran is the most western nation in the middle east 2012-10-01T22:33:48 when we SHOULD have been making friends with the Iranian people to help overthrow the mullahs they don't even want 2012-10-01T22:33:48 Iraq was a bid to make Jr look relevant and not a disappointed to Daddy and to help Daddy wipe the egg off his face. 2012-10-01T22:33:59 err, disappointment. 2012-10-01T22:34:22 and if we hadn't set up the puppet gov't there that got overthrown... then they would be our biggest ally 2012-10-01T22:34:46 that is what the west has always done, played the persians vs the arabians 2012-10-01T22:34:53 We fucked the entire middle east up the ass with a sandpaper condom. 2012-10-01T22:34:55 Bahhumbug: that helped motivate the little monkey, but that's not why Wolfawitz (sp) and Rumsfeld and Cheney et al wanted to go in 2012-10-01T22:34:55 we're just on the other side now 2012-10-01T22:35:12 Cheney saw $$ signs. 2012-10-01T22:35:14 the "100 years of war in the middle east" 2012-10-01T22:35:35 to hold neo-con wars to hold neo-con policy at home 2012-10-01T22:37:47 RangerZ: yes, they are, and the people would much rather have us help them politically and financially to make the religious idgits in charge of them irrelevant 2012-10-01T22:38:13 but that doesn't play into our neo-con chicken hawks MIC mindset 2012-10-01T22:38:26 we should have listened to Ike 2012-10-01T22:39:18 i graduated right after 9-11 and was never asked to join the military 2012-10-01T22:39:26 now that says something... 2012-10-01T22:40:07 * rhia is sick and tired of nation building other nations to make a handful of neocon millionaires and billionaires richer when our own infrastructure is falling apart 2012-10-01T22:41:27 speaking of our infrastructure. heard winn swartau(sp?) this morning talking about how vulnerable we are as a nation because we built all the infrastructure together. take out a train in the right place and you not only take out that track but you get power and communications as well 2012-10-01T22:42:13 the weakness isn't the connectivity, its the arrogant apathy 2012-10-01T22:42:29 "i wish the american army would invade the US and then build the nation up and gain the hearts and minds of the people" 2012-10-01T22:42:39 or however the quote goes 2012-10-01T22:43:13 that was part of his argument. we built on the easiest places because it was convenient and that just made us vulnerable and nobody is paying attention to just how vulnerable 2012-10-01T22:52:18 seems pointless to worry about 2012-10-01T22:52:28 we can build a new railroad track in a day 2012-10-01T22:53:27 i didn't vote for the hope & change dude, i voted against caribou barbie, and this time, i'll vote against the Ayn Randians .... just wish we had a viable better option 2012-10-01T22:53:28 the EMF bombs would render all that useless anyway 2012-10-01T22:53:53 EMP? 2012-10-01T22:53:58 ya those 2012-10-01T22:54:21 caribou barbie... lol 2012-10-01T22:54:37 not necessarily, you can shield computers from EMP 2012-10-01T22:54:51 just expensive, you have to wrap them in copper... and other stuff... 2012-10-01T22:55:10 i'm not following 2012-10-01T22:55:16 wilpig: the idea that that ... female ... might be one McCain away from being the President? hell, i voted to save that old dude's life 2012-10-01T22:55:26 which our military did for a long time in the cold war 2012-10-01T22:55:31 RangerZ: faraday cage 2012-10-01T22:55:56 yeah, but F-cage+1 for EMP 2012-10-01T22:55:59 right so the stuff that has its own power plants and faraday cages will still work 2012-10-01T22:56:01 need copper in there for some reason 2012-10-01T22:56:20 *shrugs* but w/e 2012-10-01T22:56:27 but they have an idea now 2012-10-01T22:56:31 how* 2012-10-01T22:56:34 but the other 99.99% of infrastructure that wilpig's propaganda is fuding about is going to break 2012-10-01T22:56:38 RangerZ: connectivity 2012-10-01T22:56:44 rhia: don't forget the part where by building other nations, it creates a reason for our intelligence agencies to stay in existence :) 2012-10-01T22:56:56 ^ 2012-10-01T22:57:11 * Catonic wanders to sleep 2012-10-01T22:57:38 aestetix: no, we have ample reasons to keep out intelligence communities, its the gobstoppingly overwhelming US OFFENSE dept that needs justification 2012-10-01T22:57:38 * Catonic should rpboably leave the office beofre sleeping. 2012-10-01T22:58:17 aestetix: our army didn't find bin laden, intelligence did, we just used a razor thin surgical strike team to take him out 2012-10-01T22:59:05 Which we should have done in '02. 2012-10-01T22:59:11 we could have done just as well with an answering machine and a few flyers in pakistan 2012-10-01T22:59:14 keep our intelligence, not out (trying to eat and fend off an Alzheimer kitty and type) 2012-10-01T22:59:40 Bahhumbug: Cheney et al didn't want to, it didn't suit their agenda 2012-10-01T23:00:00 the "intelligence" pigfuckers only stir up trouble 2012-10-01T23:00:15 Yeah, I'm not all that concerned with what that douchebag wanted to be perfectly blunt. 2012-10-01T23:00:23 I mean, you _are_ right. 2012-10-01T23:00:26 rhia: I was more referring to the cycle of keeping bases to justify having the CIA and nowadays DHS.... IE the marshall plan 60 years later 2012-10-01T23:00:28 But still. Fuck Cheney. 2012-10-01T23:00:55 * Bahhumbug goes back to the Bears game. 2012-10-01T23:01:27 Bahhumbug: not on a million dollar bet, who knows what that cylon might be infected with 2012-10-01T23:01:35 cheney didn't want to piss off the arabs before he could ink the oil pipeline deals 2012-10-01T23:03:01 also killing bin laden didn't really have an impact besides a psychological one for americans 2012-10-01T23:03:21 pakistan tookover running those groups a long time ago 2012-10-01T23:03:43 er|c: Yemen 2012-10-01T23:03:58 Pakistan is the affluent middleman 2012-10-01T23:04:11 growing fat on the money we send them 2012-10-01T23:05:17 you think yemen is the mastermind? 2012-10-01T23:05:29 and we won't crack down on Yemen because we want the ports, so, back to ME badminton , hey, America, watch the birdie! 2012-10-01T23:05:53 is yemen even a 4th world country yet? 2012-10-01T23:05:57 no, not esp 2012-10-01T23:06:31 but there is a bunch of AQ upper middle management there acting like the wild west, 2012-10-01T23:07:11 and it doesn't even hit our MSM radar 2012-10-01T23:07:12 they gotta get their oppression on somehwere 2012-10-01T23:08:38 only reason we stay so fucking involved there is oil dependency, gee, which neocons keep voting to keep us so dependent on ME oil? 2012-10-01T23:09:27 idk if thats true 2012-10-01T23:10:56 but the MIC needs to bleed everyone elses oil pits dry before our own so that we'll have total supremacy 2012-10-01T23:11:56 we got rid of free equal time for political candidates in exchange for paid for political advertising about the same time we went from the press being the fouth estate to it being a 24/7 profit driven machine 2012-10-01T23:12:23 i told you television was the devil's work 2012-10-01T23:12:30 fire and brimstone! 2012-10-01T23:12:47 and, gee, that's about the same time frame as the rise of the neocons and the moral majority 2012-10-01T23:14:06 iow, we done been played, now what's our next step back? 2012-10-01T23:15:46 rhia: I think an important step has been a statement I made during occupy 2012-10-01T23:16:00 "It doesn't matter what the occupiers are saying, what matters is they have started realizing they can say it." 2012-10-01T23:17:18 if a thousand trees fall in the woods and no one is there to hear it, what consequence does it have? 2012-10-01T23:17:31 but they did get heard 2012-10-01T23:17:40 and they are actually doing a lot of good right now 2012-10-01T23:17:48 er|c: if you say something in the woods and nobody hears it, and you realize this, and move to another part of the woods where someone *does* hear it... 2012-10-01T23:17:49 they are buying up debt at auctions 2012-10-01T23:17:52 and nullifying it 2012-10-01T23:17:58 By doing something, you learn and improve what you do and say. 2012-10-01T23:17:59 for pennies on the dollar 2012-10-01T23:18:08 like medical bills/etc 2012-10-01T23:18:45 RangerZ: that's pretty cool. where's that happening? 2012-10-01T23:18:47 aestetix: where occupy fucked up is precisely where the teaparty excelled - $$$$ backers 2012-10-01T23:19:13 rhia: I wouldn't say occupy fucked up at all. 2012-10-01T23:19:30 They shifted the overton window, and forced the wealth disparity into the national conversation. 2012-10-01T23:19:43 Groups like occupy, IMHO, are not created to last. 2012-10-01T23:19:50 the teaparty has the Kochs, and Adelson, etc etc, occupy never quite made the argument to get the philantropists attention 2012-10-01T23:20:22 honestly i don't know offhand 2012-10-01T23:20:33 aestetix: i say they did, they had a movement, they allowed it to be denigrated by the press 2012-10-01T23:20:47 i saw one of their main speaking heads talking about it on up w/ chris hayes 2012-10-01T23:21:03 rhia: I would argue that they learned a lot from their experiences. 2012-10-01T23:21:29 plus if you take it into comparison, the civil rights movement took 5yrs to even get marches really going 2012-10-01T23:21:30 I mean, a lot of those kids (college age, 18-22ish) have never been allowed to make their own mistakes. 2012-10-01T23:21:40 aestetix: which is why they're headlining the nightly news like the teaparty did? 2012-10-01T23:21:59 so they have been more productive within the first 1 yr than most other movements 2012-10-01T23:22:04 rhia: I'm not denying that the press destroyed them, almost as badly as the police did. 2012-10-01T23:22:19 but they changed the tone of disccusion 2012-10-01T23:22:25 and raised awareness 2012-10-01T23:22:25 aestetix: they ALLOWED the press to destroy them 2012-10-01T23:22:29 But it revealed things about both our press and our police state that are much harder to deny now. 2012-10-01T23:22:42 fuck i'm from near kent ohio 2012-10-01T23:22:48 and EVERYONE knows kent for 1 thing.... 2012-10-01T23:22:58 SUPERMAN! 2012-10-01T23:22:59 never heard of kent 2012-10-01T23:23:04 aestetix: talk to my dad, it didn't make nearly as much as impact as we would like to believe it did 2012-10-01T23:23:13 RangerZ: yeah, Kent St 2012-10-01T23:23:21 well... 2... "Kan't read, ken't write, kent state" 2012-10-01T23:23:39 that was their LEGIT slogan for a while to promote reading and writing..... 2012-10-01T23:23:40 remember watching that on TV (yes, yes, i'm that old, get over it) 2012-10-01T23:23:54 *** stowbari has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-10-01T23:23:57 but you aged well, like a fine irish whiskey 2012-10-01T23:24:12 i've had profs who were there 2012-10-01T23:24:19 and friends of family who were there, etc 2012-10-01T23:24:19 so where did superman grow up 2012-10-01T23:24:25 RangerZ: more like a good wine vinegar 2012-10-01T23:24:25 iowa 2012-10-01T23:24:38 rhia: well, what do you think would have been a better way to handle what Occupy did wrong? 2012-10-01T23:25:13 Keep in mind, I'm not disagree with you fundamentally. And I'm probably biased because I live near one of the strongest and last occupy holdouts. 2012-10-01T23:25:18 we can't give advice to domestic terrorists 2012-10-01T23:25:56 from the getgo, NOT push away the like minded old timers who fought for civil rights, who fought for Roe v Wade, the ones who had a few ideas about what works 2012-10-01T23:26:16 The tea party excelled? 2012-10-01T23:26:38 but occupy fell into the arrogance of "but we're NEW!" 2012-10-01T23:26:43 rhia: interesting. That didn't happen in Oakland. 2012-10-01T23:27:03 Bahhumbug: see 2010 elections, the TP bastards swept 2012-10-01T23:27:10 yea old people are good as human shields for tear gas 2012-10-01T23:27:13 aestetix: oakland is not occupy 2012-10-01T23:27:23 rhia: I meant occupy oakland 2012-10-01T23:27:43 Unless you're strictly defining scope as the NYC group :) 2012-10-01T23:27:45 and by the time oakland came on scene, occupy was OFF MSM's radar 2012-10-01T23:27:55 I'm sorry, I don't consider what those assholes have done as "excelling", 2012-10-01T23:27:56 rhia: until we got tear-gassed. 2012-10-01T23:28:17 By "we" I mean oakland, since I'm a bit too old now to be part of the core occupy group ;) 2012-10-01T23:28:27 aestetix: talk to my aunts, your grandparent's friends, they don't even know that happened 2012-10-01T23:28:34 Playing off the ignorance of mostly under-educated evangelical idiots != excelling. 2012-10-01T23:28:59 rhia: do they know about the UC Davis episode? 2012-10-01T23:29:16 Bahhumbug: they swept the 2010 elections with ignorant assholes like Joe Walsh and Alan West 2012-10-01T23:29:31 at this point to accomplish anything in this country it will at some level involve playing off the ignorance of mostly under-educating idiots 2012-10-01T23:29:33 aestetix: that's just it, no, they don't 2012-10-01T23:29:47 I'm tempted to suggest this also says something about a generation gap in media attention. 2012-10-01T23:29:58 they had to hear about the million dollar settlement 2012-10-01T23:30:11 Most of the under-30 crowd I know get their news from twitter. 2012-10-01T23:30:15 Bahhumbug: i don't consider that as excelling, but damned if it wasn't efficient and damned if it didn't fuck us all 2012-10-01T23:30:18 Hardly anyone I know watches TV anymore. 2012-10-01T23:30:26 Which may mean I have a select circle :p 2012-10-01T23:30:32 i only watch a few shows 2012-10-01T23:30:35 i hate twitter 2012-10-01T23:30:46 aestetix: and most of the people in power think of twitter as that thing that gets people in trouble 2012-10-01T23:31:04 RangerZ: what I am getting at is more.... the younger generation is less reliant on broadcast media. 2012-10-01T23:31:11 not saying it's right, just saying, for another decade, that it is 2012-10-01T23:31:24 i only watch MSNBC honestly, b/c at least they aren't lying to me like fox nor telling me 'both sides' like CNN... I'm sorry...water being wet doesn't need both sides 2012-10-01T23:31:36 if you look at population pyramids the largest age group in america right now is 40-49 year olds 2012-10-01T23:31:43 Which has the upside of in theory encouraging independent discourse, and has the downside of eliminating the common knowledge for everyone watching the same channel. 2012-10-01T23:31:48 er|c: i don't think so 2012-10-01T23:31:54 rhia: agreed. 2012-10-01T23:31:55 well you're wrong 2012-10-01T23:32:17 i thought it was under 25, but ehh 2012-10-01T23:32:19 hell, i only watch the local news, DIY, and the food channels .... i get all my national et al news online 2012-10-01T23:32:27 i looked it up last week 2012-10-01T23:32:46 ahh 2012-10-01T23:33:03 once we get rid of the baby boomers then social security is fine 2012-10-01T23:33:07 but i'm also atypical for my age group 2012-10-01T23:33:09 medicare....now thats just fucked 2012-10-01T23:33:31 we need single payer like every other major nation 2012-10-01T23:33:36 omg rhia lives 2012-10-01T23:33:41 we should ship all the old folks to canada like cuba did with their prisoners 2012-10-01T23:33:49 RangerZ: social wouldn't be on the radar if they doubled or eliminated the idiotic arbitrary cap 2012-10-01T23:34:00 yeah 106,001 should be taxed too 2012-10-01T23:34:14 sdodson: nope, just another delusion 2012-10-01T23:34:32 sdodson: who is this rhia person/thing/place you are talking about? 2012-10-01T23:35:08 some old fogie from canada-lite 2012-10-01T23:35:27 so washington stae? 2012-10-01T23:35:29 state* 2012-10-01T23:36:02 b/c i thought canada was northern montana 2012-10-01T23:36:03 yeah, we landed here after Verizon sold Drag0n off to Frontier 2012-10-01T23:36:10 rhia: I'm torn. One of the "successes" of occupy to me, I think it gave a lot of people their "coming of age" experiences, and allowed a lot of people to network together. 2012-10-01T23:37:00 so perhaps you're right its time to rebrand 2012-10-01T23:37:03 aestetix: and yet, they coulda/shoulda been MUCH more, since, unlike the teaparty, they actually did have the concerns of the majority 2012-10-01T23:37:12 just like blackwater 2012-10-01T23:37:22 Well, one thing I noticed 2012-10-01T23:37:29 boobies? 2012-10-01T23:37:31 er|c: XE, or, whatever the hell they call themselves this week 2012-10-01T23:37:34 I was fairly active back in 2003 when we invaded Iraq.... doing a lot of protests, etc. 2012-10-01T23:37:42 The Iraq protests fizzled after a month or so. Occupy did not. 2012-10-01T23:37:43 sell off the old stocks of occupy teddy bears and order some new acadami ones 2012-10-01T23:38:01 er|c: the uber patriotic mercenaries who moved their base of operations to Dubai, them, yeah 2012-10-01T23:38:11 But yeah, there were major issues. 2012-10-01T23:38:29 I actually walked away from the occupy SF tech list after a disagreement over how to store user data. 2012-10-01T23:38:33 RangerZ: everyone notices boobies 2012-10-01T23:38:46 where's that occupy boobies tumblr 2012-10-01T23:38:50 esp. girls, don't let lie to you 2012-10-01T23:38:55 aestetix: and therein lies the problem 2012-10-01T23:39:32 (the occupysf.com site was controlled by a 20 year old kid who didn't want to let anyone else touch his system) 2012-10-01T23:40:32 http://hotchicksofoccupywallstreet.tumblr.com/ 2012-10-01T23:40:56 It was also kind of amusing, whenever anyone would say "I don't know about this idea, I think we should run it through consensus" I would just counter with "but isn't the whole point of occupy about individual empowerment?" 2012-10-01T23:42:48 (so the devil's advocate response to my "coming of age" statement is usually "right, but do you really want to go through those experiences again and get a new set of scars when you've already learned your lessons?" 2012-10-01T23:42:50 aestetix: occupy proved that pure democracy ("the consensus") doesn't work scaled up, same as pure communism doesn't -- both top out at about 100 -150 people 2012-10-01T23:43:00 rhia: right, Dunbar's number ish 2012-10-01T23:44:03 the teaparty, being from and of an authoritarian bent, quickly kowtowed and obeyed a few leaders, who worked directly for the big money backers 2012-10-01T23:44:52 occupy didn't need to go that far, but being egalitarian, they held on to that idea far, far too long past their, at the time, growing popularity 2012-10-01T23:45:05 rhia: I would argue that a structureless society (like Occupy) has implicit structures which are only maintained through oral tradition and apprenticeship. So when that stops working, the structure breaks down. 2012-10-01T23:45:18 It does beg interesting questions about the role of leadership. 2012-10-01T23:45:20 they would have done MUCH better to have settled into a representative system 2012-10-01T23:45:34 because that has turned out so well for america 2012-10-01T23:45:38 elected, even short turn 2012-10-01T23:45:47 er|c: it did for 200 yrs 2012-10-01T23:45:55 it did? 2012-10-01T23:46:02 then we discovered reality tv 2012-10-01T23:46:14 s/reality tv/watergate/ 2012-10-01T23:46:54 aestetix: no, i was more thinking survivor and snooki and all those real ______ of _______ shows 2012-10-01T23:47:00 I know :p 2012-10-01T23:47:26 adlibs! I love these 2012-10-01T23:47:58 you know that we're fucked when our politicians weighed in on how "cute" is snooki - and NONE of them said "Gah, gutter trash" 2012-10-01T23:48:01 i was thinking the other day we should build a 3rd branch of congress and call it the House of Commons 2012-10-01T23:48:26 wilpig: real (noun) of (place) ;) 2012-10-01T23:48:30 give it more power than the other 2 and a fixed ratio of people to represantives 2012-10-01T23:48:49 er|c: how does that differ from HouseofR? 2012-10-01T23:48:53 dog, house! 2012-10-01T23:49:00 a house is a place and a noun. ;) 2012-10-01T23:49:06 rhia: are you advocating that american officials be bullies? 2012-10-01T23:49:19 since when is it okay to call a woman gutter trash 2012-10-01T23:49:25 is she? 2012-10-01T23:49:40 is this supposed woman gutter trash? 2012-10-01T23:49:41 election day is a paid day off with mandatory voting - you don't get paid unless you vote 2012-10-01T23:49:53 rhia: I would be in favor of that. 2012-10-01T23:50:03