2012-08-20T00:40:25 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-08-20T00:41:25 WEll, small miracles. 2012-08-20T00:41:37 DiamondIP has been behaving since I beat the shit out of it this afternoon 2012-08-20T00:41:51 Clearly, it is a system that thrives on obscenity 2012-08-20T01:51:45 *** ChanServ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2012-08-20T01:55:01 holy shit! 2012-08-20T01:55:09 apparently you CAN get someone killed for only $400 2012-08-20T01:55:18 porn? fap faup 2012-08-20T01:55:35 wilpig_: that's the rate? Shit, they are not keeping up with inflation 2012-08-20T01:55:55 an eyedoctor in HSV was killed around 1987.. $400 is what his wife paid the hitman 2012-08-20T01:56:18 she's in the jail house ... now. 2012-08-20T01:56:44 http://www.wkrn.com/story/19264643/tbi-arrests-4-in-murder-for-hire 2012-08-20T01:56:46 Title: TBI arrests 4 in murder-for-hire - WKRN, Nashville News, Nashville Weather and Sports (at www.wkrn.com) 2012-08-20T01:57:06 the blonde on the bottom. that's my friend dawn that used to work at steak and shake 2012-08-20T01:57:27 and twh two guys... they were both cooks there 2012-08-20T01:58:57 http://www.tbi.tn.gov/documents/TBIchargesfourforrolesinBedfordCountyhomicide.pdf 2012-08-20T02:07:34 http://www.t-g.com/story/1880013.html 2012-08-20T02:07:35 wow 2012-08-20T02:07:39 Title: Shelbyville Times-Gazette: Local News: Murder victim identified (08/09/12) (at www.t-g.com) 2012-08-20T02:31:26 wilpig_: i'm glad she is YOUR friend and not mine... 2012-08-20T02:31:33 and i say "friend" loosely 2012-08-20T02:33:06 i'll still call her a friend. I knew her home situation was pretty bad but never saw that coming 2012-08-20T02:33:32 *** ChanServ has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T02:33:32 *** morgan.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ 2012-08-20T02:33:42 she hasn't lived there in something like six years. I wish I could talk to her to see what the deal is 2012-08-20T02:33:48 heh I missed CNwaV 2012-08-20T02:43:50 ok lets see how many bridges that last tweet will burn 2012-08-20T02:44:28 hrmm. now i'm curious 2012-08-20T02:44:44 oh yeah. I had a funny idea I need to try 2012-08-20T02:46:46 Well it's just 2012-08-20T02:47:07 aestetix: you didn't tweet merlin asking for a bagel 2012-08-20T02:47:15 that video clip was from a movie from the 1930s of shirley temple singing a cute musical number 2012-08-20T02:47:33 surrounded by a bunch of guys who must all be pedophile (they could not possibly be a men's choir) 2012-08-20T02:49:51 heh 2012-08-20T02:50:01 I just saw your link and their policy is retarded 2012-08-20T02:50:20 yep 2012-08-20T02:50:28 I was debating also posting a link to a Bing Crosby number 2012-08-20T02:50:47 in "Going My Way", where he plays a Catholic Priest teaching a boy's choir to sing 2012-08-20T02:50:57 he must have had a secret motive to suck all of their penises 2012-08-20T02:53:03 bah. picopig is hung on shutting down after applying updates 2012-08-20T02:53:18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is3OP_uvWZA 2012-08-20T02:53:19 Title: Bing Crosby "Thats What She Said" - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2012-08-20T02:53:28 this might be the first documented case of a "that's what she said" joke 2012-08-20T02:53:47 I might have found a flaw with their bios on this too. there seems to be no way to tell it not to halt on no keyboard, etc. 2012-08-20T03:09:28 ok 2012-08-20T03:09:46 so does anyone on have piedmont natural gas ? 2012-08-20T03:10:02 nay 2012-08-20T03:10:03 Yes 2012-08-20T03:10:11 b/c i do _NOT_ see a "meter number" on my monthly bill 2012-08-20T03:10:36 interesting. 2012-08-20T03:10:44 first of all wilpig_ you go "oink" 2012-08-20T03:10:57 nope. interesting. and I playing with my bear when I say it 2012-08-20T03:10:59 It's not the same as the account number? 2012-08-20T03:11:03 nope 2012-08-20T03:11:24 Oh, it's on the second sheet 2012-08-20T03:11:27 meter # can be at most 7 digits ( i was trying to sign up for their site crap to sign up direct payment withdrawl 2012-08-20T03:11:49 Right under the "Current Reading" header 2012-08-20T03:12:03 ahh 2012-08-20T03:12:14 god i should have done this in the morning and not now when tired 2012-08-20T03:12:55 I'm headed to bed 2012-08-20T03:13:47 night 2012-08-20T03:14:06 i'm looking for a file in 1080 that I can try on this computer 2012-08-20T03:16:04 night 2012-08-20T03:16:16 wilpig_: btw you taking any vandy classes this sem.? 2012-08-20T03:16:39 the networking security with Dr. Xue appears to have some openings 2012-08-20T03:18:13 nay 2012-08-20T03:18:48 I think i'm allowed to sit in on them. but with my schedule what it is, I don't even consider it 2012-08-20T03:19:34 you're allowed for credit 2012-08-20T03:19:48 atleast if you get the same benefits as staff engineers 2012-08-20T03:20:00 ahh. yeah I am 2012-08-20T03:20:48 starting my 7th year of college this wed... and still looking forward to the classes i'm taking, lol 2012-08-20T03:21:05 one day. someone will catch up to me and probably kill me. 2012-08-20T03:21:54 mercy killing? 2012-08-20T03:22:14 pure hate 2012-08-20T03:31:17 heh 2012-08-20T03:31:26 college is too structured for me :) 2012-08-20T03:31:40 this movie needs to hurry and finish downloading so I can test this 2012-08-20T03:40:47 *** ChanServ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2012-08-20T03:56:11 nah, just have to play the game well 2012-08-20T03:57:02 as an undergrad i had a shared office(the same size as the prof's offices (but no on the no-window isle) that i shared with 2 other undergrads (who never used it) 2012-08-20T03:58:07 taking naps (and not being afraid of people coming and fucking with my stuff, or 'cumming' in inappropriate ways... was very reassuring, lol) 2012-08-20T04:00:13 1080p smooooooth 2012-08-20T04:00:39 I can say for sure that this little machine at $200 is excellent 2012-08-20T04:21:30 *** ChanServ has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T04:21:30 *** morgan.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ 2012-08-20T07:30:52 *** brimstone has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-08-20T07:36:25 *** brimstone has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T07:36:25 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o brimstone 2012-08-20T07:38:35 *** Iyeman has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-08-20T09:03:10 *** CNwaV has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T09:03:21 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o CNwaV 2012-08-20T10:43:13 Tony Scott died. Apparently killed himself. 2012-08-20T10:43:30 Director of Enemy of the state, top gun, true romance 2012-08-20T10:43:38 Sad. 2012-08-20T10:51:11 Jumped offa bridge even 2012-08-20T10:55:06 Yeah. 2012-08-20T10:55:35 I generally view his involvment as a + when watching a movie. 2012-08-20T10:55:40 viewed. 2012-08-20T10:56:31 True Romance is probably still my favorite film. Granted, a lot of people made that a great movie. 2012-08-20T10:58:04 james gandolfini++ 2012-08-20T10:59:29 Yeah. The cast is crazy in that movie. Written by Tarantino (before he got famous) 2012-08-20T11:07:53 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-08-20T11:32:47 *** daswork has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T11:41:47 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T12:23:24 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-08-20T12:38:21 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T13:41:39 *** RangerZ1 has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T13:45:24 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2012-08-20T14:03:46 *** ChanServ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2012-08-20T14:24:23 *** daswork is now known as dasunt 2012-08-20T14:32:57 *** ChanServ has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T14:32:57 *** morgan.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ 2012-08-20T14:39:00 *** ChanServ has quit IRC (*.net *.split) 2012-08-20T14:40:33 http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/assange-to-be-tempted-from-embassy-with-trail-of-secrets-2012082038528 2012-08-20T14:40:34 Title: Assange to be tempted from embassy with trail of secrets (at www.thedailymash.co.uk) 2012-08-20T14:41:48 ^- WTF? 2012-08-20T14:42:23 are they going to print out cables and lay them face down like breadcrumbs in front of the embassy? 2012-08-20T14:42:34 Oh, humor site. 2012-08-20T14:42:35 "gonna catch me an assange!" 2012-08-20T14:42:55 i thought it was "the daily mail.co.uk" too 2012-08-20T14:43:04 So, speaking of Assange, what's the conspiracy theorist's answer to the question "if the US really wanted him, why didn't he get deported from the UK?" 2012-08-20T14:44:59 b/c the UK didn't want bad press for the olympics 2012-08-20T14:45:07 why do you think all this is only happening now 2012-08-20T14:45:25 and that isn't conspiracy theorist's aswer 2012-08-20T14:45:31 thats the real politics answer 2012-08-20T14:46:27 But wouldn't the Olympics overshadowing it be a good time to do that, while everyone is distracted? 2012-08-20T14:47:05 The US is still hoping to get lucky in that some of us won't go *ballistic* if they try to snatch Assange 2012-08-20T14:47:29 AFAICT, most Americans don't care. 2012-08-20T14:47:48 We can make them care 2012-08-20T14:48:17 Right now there's not much to care about 2012-08-20T14:48:35 Probably not. He's a terr'ist, or at least that would be the spin. 2012-08-20T14:49:41 We could dispel that pretty easily 2012-08-20T14:49:55 The _truth_ is not a tool of terrorism, or we are *all* pro-terrorism 2012-08-20T14:49:58 I'm still not seeing why it would be easier to deport him from Sweden. 2012-08-20T14:50:22 None of the other countries are really buying into the idea 2012-08-20T14:50:26 b/c then there wouldn't be any other legal requirements for him to be deported out of the US 2012-08-20T14:51:21 isn't 'much' but it is just that sweeden has had a hard on for these charges beyond what most people thought was legitimate 2012-08-20T14:51:44 the two girls said they started having sex with him of their own free will, but near the end decided to change their minds 2012-08-20T14:51:53 But the non-CT's answer is going to be "Assange's publicity over wikileaks brought these cases to light." 2012-08-20T14:51:54 i am not a fan of assange 2012-08-20T14:52:06 so i'm going to assume that he had them tied up and thats why they couldn't stop him 2012-08-20T14:52:07 but ehh 2012-08-20T14:52:13 Nope 2012-08-20T14:52:22 putting people in harms way.. 2012-08-20T14:52:25 If there'd been bondage involved, that would have certainly made the press 2012-08-20T14:52:43 yeah, thats true 2012-08-20T14:52:59 Seems more like a matter of he was fucking two different women and when they found out about that they were pissed 2012-08-20T14:53:08 there is such thing as responsible disclosure 2012-08-20T14:53:52 RangerZ1: IIRC, it wasn't rape, just sexual misconduct. 2012-08-20T14:54:23 is it like ohio where any position other than missionary is still legally a crime? 2012-08-20T14:54:35 Kinky beyond the call of duty 2012-08-20T14:54:42 i think a BJ is illegel in KY 2012-08-20T14:54:56 ...but drive-thru beer is just fine 2012-08-20T14:55:23 RangerZ1: I thought one was a case of sleep sex, and the other was a case of "of course I'm using a condom". 2012-08-20T14:55:55 bull shit, both parties can tell if the guy has a condom on or not 2012-08-20T14:57:40 Either way, it's mainly a matter of very poor taste 2012-08-20T14:58:02 yeah 2012-08-20T14:58:20 A man in his position shoud probably stick to fucking hookers, who can at least be paid to keep their mouths shut 2012-08-20T14:58:48 Y'know, I can't find many details about the case at all. 2012-08-20T14:59:13 Anyways, from what I remember from previous /. discussions on it (here's a grain of salt) it's something like a $250 fine if he's found guilty. 2012-08-20T15:00:02 RangerZ1: I don't think you can tell whether the other person is wearing a condom or not. It really doesn't feel any different to the party on the receiving end. 2012-08-20T15:00:24 unless it's one of those weird condoms with bumps or something 2012-08-20T15:01:12 Okay, here's a story about this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/19/world/europe/19assange.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1345489228-W3i5JuV+oNml0hp0hgYa9g 2012-08-20T15:01:20 "One woman said that Mr. Assange had ignored her appeals to stop after a condom broke. The other woman said that she and Mr. Assange had begun a sexual encounter using a condom, but that Mr. Assange did not comply with her appeals to stop when it was no longer in use." 2012-08-20T15:02:40 *** ChanServ has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T15:02:40 *** morgan.freenode.net sets mode: +o ChanServ 2012-08-20T15:03:11 I'm not convinced that it wasn't a political charge. If there was a problem, Assange should have been arrested _before_ he left Sweden, not several months later. 2012-08-20T15:03:14 *** dasunt has quit IRC (Changing host) 2012-08-20T15:03:14 *** dasunt has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T15:03:14 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o dasunt 2012-08-20T15:03:32 I think Assange's publicity was a large factor. 2012-08-20T15:04:05 CNwaV: you around? :) 2012-08-20T15:05:10 Given the 'he said, she said' nature of sexual relations, the fact that all parties agree that it started consensually means it's a very difficult case to prove. 2012-08-20T15:05:40 Yep. 2012-08-20T15:05:41 oh boy what did I walk in on 2012-08-20T15:05:50 Assange 2012-08-20T15:05:53 I don't think the police were going to press charges until the story leaked to the Swedish press. 2012-08-20T15:06:19 Then they decided "oh shit, this story's getting a ton of publicity, we gotta act like we're doing something." 2012-08-20T15:06:39 I don't think the women had a complaint until they realized who he was and what he might pay to make the allegations go away 2012-08-20T15:07:18 And the police probably picked up on that. 2012-08-20T15:08:06 aestetix: yeah 2012-08-20T15:08:15 CNwaV: you were calling yesterday? :) 2012-08-20T15:08:27 * aestetix loves to get gentleman callers 2012-08-20T15:09:43 yeah, was trying to catch you get that stuff setup for you to test 2012-08-20T15:09:51 Corydon76-home: AFAIK, both women knew who he was. 2012-08-20T15:10:20 CNwaV: cool, is it still available? 2012-08-20T15:10:22 This isn't something the police would normally bother with too hard 2012-08-20T15:10:26 I would love to test it :) 2012-08-20T15:10:45 Probably the main reason they're bothering is US authorities desperate to seize upon an excuse to hinder and trap Assange 2012-08-20T15:11:52 Anyone else annoyed when you go to a website to find IT jobs and it doesn't work under your OS/browser? 2012-08-20T15:12:04 hehe, well that was why i was trying to catch you on saturday and sunday.... i am always swamped at the beginning of the week, so i won't be able to do it today 2012-08-20T15:12:13 ok 2012-08-20T15:12:21 shows they need more "IT" which now a days means web design at a lot of places 2012-08-20T15:12:25 Dagmar: they could just as easily get an extradition from Britain, though 2012-08-20T15:12:33 i will have to see how things pan out tuesday and wednesday 2012-08-20T15:12:39 anyone else have a cisco asa (or as it turns out junper or anything else that can make a tunnel) 2012-08-20T15:12:51 CNwaV: I'm gone after wednesday for a week and a half :p 2012-08-20T15:13:42 * dasunt updates his browser just to see if that fixes it. 2012-08-20T15:13:57 well that is no fun 2012-08-20T15:14:15 CNwaV: oh it is lots of fun 2012-08-20T15:14:22 I'm amazed how easy it is for website "developers" to fuck up a simple form. 2012-08-20T15:14:31 at least for me 2012-08-20T15:19:00 Oh, and I'm not sure why all links require javascript that breaks when trying to open in a new tab. 2012-08-20T15:21:54 Anyways. 2012-08-20T15:21:57 * dasunt stops ranting. 2012-08-20T15:23:03 * dasunt returns to ranting. 2012-08-20T15:47:27 I'm more or less convinced that the online application process for IT positions is designed to weed out the easily frustrated. 2012-08-20T16:29:41 Dagmar: wilpig_ http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2012/08/blizzard-to-extend-diablo-iii-endgame-with-100-new-character-levels/ 2012-08-20T16:29:42 Title: Blizzard to extend Diablo III endgame with 100 new character levels | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) 2012-08-20T16:30:09 probably b/c of guild wars 2 2012-08-20T16:35:59 probably because the end game killed the game 2012-08-20T16:36:36 we knew they'd put out a level 100 eventually we just figured they'd wait for an expansion 2012-08-20T16:43:25 *** frenzy33 has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T16:45:33 CNwaV: let me know if you get free time 2012-08-20T16:45:34 :) 2012-08-20T16:49:17 aestetix: you should just leave it as "tag" 2012-08-20T16:49:50 dasunt: if this is truly the case, people shouldn't apply for IT jobs. 2012-08-20T16:50:33 i will, i might be able to find some tomorrow or wednesday... 2012-08-20T16:51:01 well we're doing the test tomorrow 2012-08-20T16:51:06 so no worries 2012-08-20T16:51:47 yeah, i have a planning meeting for our hackerspace tonight so i will be tied up with that 2012-08-20T16:52:20 The problem is that IT jobs, making money, tend to have a lot of applicants 2012-08-20T16:52:36 so HR tries to weed out the non-fitting appliancts 2012-08-20T16:52:37 CNwaV: yep 2012-08-20T16:52:42 and the applicants suck 2012-08-20T16:53:12 I remember one time at a former company, we hired a guy that I pushed for based on one company he'd worked at 2012-08-20T16:53:28 he turned out to be really smart tech wise, but a total idiot in every other way 2012-08-20T16:53:35 yeah, my company just posted a position and i was gonig through the resumes..... i am not sure that some of these people understood the job description... 2012-08-20T16:54:23 I make good fast food and speaking some language, I will be doing Internet security engineering soon, yes? 2012-08-20T16:54:53 you're already a liar because you said "good fast food" 2012-08-20T16:55:08 damn, perhaps politics, instead 2012-08-20T16:55:41 And there is good fast food. Did none of you eat at In-N-Out at DefCon? :) 2012-08-20T16:55:58 in and out is a whole other realm of fastfood 2012-08-20T16:56:08 We're on the same page, then. 2012-08-20T16:56:16 they got the formula right. do something well and only that, do not deviate 2012-08-20T16:58:26 http://goo.gl/Pr0b 2012-08-20T16:58:27 Title: The Burger Lab: The Ins-n-Outs of an In-N-Out Double-Double, Animal-Style | A Hamburger Today (at goo.gl) 2012-08-20T16:58:48 Totally plan on trying that with a few people sometime. 2012-08-20T16:59:28 I introduced a few analysts to In-N-Out this year -- they had never been. I think by the end of Black Hat/B-SidesLV/DefCon, everyone had gone a few times and started going off-menu. ;) 2012-08-20T17:02:05 *** CNwaV has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-08-20T17:02:14 started going off menu? you mean you let them just order menu to begin with? 2012-08-20T17:02:37 everone I sent I tell them you want an animal style double double. 2012-08-20T17:02:45 that is the proper introductin to in-n-out 2012-08-20T17:04:30 I went to in-n-out while at defcon and got the double double animal style. 2012-08-20T17:04:43 I would rather have a 5 guys burger, but it was good. 2012-08-20T17:05:02 Could be it was too built up. 2012-08-20T17:05:22 I'll take in-n-out over five guys any day 2012-08-20T17:05:57 there is just something about them. could be the bread, or the crack they grind in with the meat 2012-08-20T17:06:20 I tend to tell em to get one of each -- but you know how animal style is. Once you go there, you never go back. 2012-08-20T17:07:08 heh 2012-08-20T17:07:08 Five Guys is pretty good, true -- but both the wait and price separate that from fast food for me. 2012-08-20T17:07:13 It's just a cheap diner with a small menu 2012-08-20T17:07:15 whereas I will not be going back to defcon, ever 2012-08-20T17:07:18 huh? 2012-08-20T17:07:39 bad experience at defcon or something? 2012-08-20T17:07:41 bsides on the other hand, they rock 2012-08-20T17:07:54 kive: the paradigm/attitude of defcon has changed in a direction I don't like 2012-08-20T17:08:23 left? 2012-08-20T17:08:26 http://aestetix.com/2012/08/12/everything-that-rises-must-converge/ if you want to know details 2012-08-20T17:08:28 Title: Everything that Rises must Converge � aestetix (at aestetix.com) 2012-08-20T17:08:39 cool cool, will give it a read. 2012-08-20T17:13:04 Man, I wish you'd done DefCon earlier -- DC10 was already way down the evolutionary spiral, but folks evolve, too -- I haven't done more than one panel per year since DC8 2012-08-20T17:13:22 I think it was 8, anyway. I might have been drinking. 2012-08-20T17:13:54 I kinda wish so too 2012-08-20T17:14:01 But DC10 still had some of it. 2012-08-20T17:14:09 But I think you might like to research some history sometime -- look at the basis for Black Hat, the open invitation to the feds (we even make sport of them), etc... 2012-08-20T17:14:20 DC20, did, too. We just aren't obvious as hell about it, heh 2012-08-20T17:14:46 kive: the invitation to feds isn't a big deal. I mean, As I understand it, DC is open to anyone 2012-08-20T17:14:53 provided they don't hurt others, etc 2012-08-20T17:15:05 However, when you provide visible favoritism to a speaker like DT did 2012-08-20T17:15:08 And yes, it has changed and toned down -- we used to be doing nothing but breaking the hotel and Vegas, and now we have day jobs and talk about our kids. 2012-08-20T17:16:04 a) remember DT's day job history, b) consider DT has been trying to get the person in that office for a VERY LONG TIME 2012-08-20T17:16:07 It's not even that. 2012-08-20T17:16:13 DT as conference organizer should have been proud and couldn't have done it any other way 2012-08-20T17:16:47 I felt personally insulted by the way the NSA director was handled. 2012-08-20T17:17:25 It sounds like you're not disagreeing with my observations, though :) 2012-08-20T17:18:32 And I respect that -- I see it differently. I don't like the kid gloves, and I'm not in awe, but it's hardly the first time we've seen stuff like that -- and that piece doesn't really bother me in and of itself. Really, I think you're reading more into it than is there, but I might also be guilty of not having seen much of it (never saw the guy but for ten seconds -- just heard second-hand) 2012-08-20T17:19:19 Dunno, if I had your experiences, I might think differently -- but from the observations I have, seems like nothing more than a "Huh" moment to me 2012-08-20T17:19:37 Without saying too much: as someone who has been personally negatively affected by our surveillance state, I'm pretty unhappy when DefCon got a great opportunity to open a discussion about it, and decided not to. 2012-08-20T17:20:38 Yeah, that part I agree with -- good for conference attendance and being able to say we did it, but I'd rather put the guy in the middle of a crowd and unleash the dogs 2012-08-20T17:20:52 Dunno. He's a better speaker for Black Hat, honestly 2012-08-20T17:21:05 And so seeing a bunch of people who are aggrandizing this sort of celebrity culture, I think that I will spend my time elsewhere in the future. 2012-08-20T17:21:05 He didn't say anything interesting, did he? 2012-08-20T17:21:09 I don't have my DVD set yet 2012-08-20T17:21:24 kive: from what i heard, he gave a job pitch with the tone like he was talking to childeren. 2012-08-20T17:21:37 Does DC really need help getting more people to show up? 2012-08-20T17:21:59 Oh excellent, so maybe this was all a big mistake and DT meant to send him to the DefCon Kids track. Pretty awesome if the NSA thinks the kids are worth hiring in only the second year of that track. ;) 2012-08-20T17:22:37 aestetix: for the current direction, I'd assume so. Do we need a price increase is really the same question, right? 2012-08-20T17:23:02 I'll tell you what. When DefCon has the director back, and people are able to openly ask him questions about the 2703d orders, about their illegal surveillance, about the definition of "intercept", or if they could get a lincoln-douglass style debate between Binney and DIRNSA, I'll be back in a heartbeat :) 2012-08-20T17:24:03 kive: well, if the question is "will a price increase improve the quality of the conference" I think you've already answered your own question :) 2012-08-20T17:24:09 Though I'm fine either way -- I like exposing new folks to cool stuff, hacker culture, etc... and there's plenty of the old guard still around that I enjoy seeing each year and getting drinks with. So huge hacker con is still fine -- smaller ones still exist and all. ;) 2012-08-20T17:24:29 aestetix: that money was needed this year from what I'd heard. Just for equipment upgrades alone. 2012-08-20T17:25:01 But yeah 2012-08-20T17:25:11 Having huge names like that isn't gonna help unless the price skyrockets 2012-08-20T17:25:18 $200 is a reasonable price to see the crystal method in vegas. :P 2012-08-20T17:25:39 kive: and if DefCon turns into a big party, well, I have plenty of parties I can choose form :) 2012-08-20T17:26:40 sure, but then you have to view it through that filter, not the leet haxor with a progressive/anarchist bent 2012-08-20T17:26:42 don't forget the badges :) 2012-08-20T17:26:54 I never have time to screw around with my badges at con. :P 2012-08-20T17:27:01 I mean the cost of the badges. 2012-08-20T17:28:00 oh, totally 2012-08-20T17:28:22 Do people actually use "pstree" frequently? 2012-08-20T17:29:01 dasunt: yes 2012-08-20T17:29:07 aestetix: Hmmm. 2012-08-20T17:29:12 I never actualy used it before. 2012-08-20T17:30:11 Ran across it on an online linux skills test. 2012-08-20T17:30:15 it's nice 2012-08-20T17:30:20 I tend to stick with "ps". 2012-08-20T17:30:21 pstree -a and -p are useful 2012-08-20T17:30:34 I've used it especially to see what cron jobs are running 2012-08-20T17:30:46 had never heard of pstree. cool 2012-08-20T17:30:46 Didn't really do too badly on the linux skills test, but the redhat specific questions were annoying. 2012-08-20T17:30:56 I think redhat lowered my score. 2012-08-20T17:31:00 :( 2012-08-20T17:31:29 But otherwise, not bad. 2012-08-20T17:31:43 The windows one totally sucked, since it was one of those tests you do very, very well on after receiving the training. 2012-08-20T17:32:02 Stuff like "What of the following is a new feature in Win 2008 server..." 2012-08-20T17:32:28 Or "what are the minimum installation requires for Win 2008 server..." 2012-08-20T17:32:35 WEll, Microsoft *is* mainly marketing 2012-08-20T17:32:54 Dagmar: I know. But it makes online skills testing totally sucky for me. 2012-08-20T17:33:18 C'mon those are easy questions 2012-08-20T17:33:30 Four cores and "how much money does your company have again?" 2012-08-20T17:33:34 Heh. 2012-08-20T17:34:16 I was just thinking, as I stared at that question, "Why the fuck would I ever install a server on a system with the *minimum* hardware requirements?" 2012-08-20T17:34:44 That's rather like going on the interstate with a car that does the minimum speed limit needed. 2012-08-20T17:35:09 Especially knowing Microsoft has a tendency to *lie* about minimum spec 2012-08-20T17:35:31 Yep. 2012-08-20T17:36:24 So anyways, 20th percentile on the Windows 2008 admin test. 2012-08-20T17:36:26 :( 2012-08-20T17:36:42 Sounds like you're ready to start adminning then 2012-08-20T17:36:51 LOL. 2012-08-20T17:37:04 So at my old job, they got a tech school graduate. 2012-08-20T17:37:18 He was sure that more icons on the desktop = more programs running = slower computer. 2012-08-20T17:37:38 There's people like htta posting to the Craigslist linux forum 2012-08-20T17:37:43 I show them no mercy. 2012-08-20T17:37:58 At least once a week I call people out for just making shit up 2012-08-20T17:39:34 *** frenzy33 has quit IRC (Quit: frenzy33) 2012-08-20T17:39:42 Lulz. 2012-08-20T17:40:04 I hope the job place doesn't look at my score and freak. 2012-08-20T17:40:06 But heh. 2012-08-20T17:43:13 *** Iyeman has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T17:43:13 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Iyeman 2012-08-20T17:43:22 dasunt: if it makes you feel any better I bombed a linux assessment for a damn good job last Saturday 2012-08-20T17:43:34 Had a bunch of regex questions, and I haven't done regex in 5+ years 2012-08-20T17:44:16 linux assessment? 2012-08-20T17:44:47 it was a timed test 2012-08-20T17:44:57 I hope that's not where you get docked points because you prefer /etc/init.d/service to service servicename 2012-08-20T17:46:01 i prefer /etc/init.d/service because i can tab complete it 2012-08-20T17:46:30 nah, it was mostly written questions and an SSH login with some files. some permissions questions and specific server administration questions. 2012-08-20T17:46:39 Yep. 2012-08-20T17:46:51 and quite a bit of sed/regex etc. like, "How do you swap the first two column of $fileonserver" 2012-08-20T17:47:11 Oh, some of the commands asked about on my test were not stock debian commands, AFAIK. 2012-08-20T17:47:12 and "How do you change the phone numbers in $fileonserver to xxx-xxx-xxx format" 2012-08-20T17:47:29 brimstone: also, if something is going wrong, you can cat/less the file to find out what 2012-08-20T17:47:32 Stuff like if "desc" or "list" were valid commands. 2012-08-20T17:47:37 * dasunt hadn't heard of either of them. 2012-08-20T17:47:40 aestetix: or bash -x it 2012-08-20T17:47:42 how do you give $user access to $file without adding her to the accounting group, etc. 2012-08-20T17:47:46 sure 2012-08-20T17:48:16 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving.) 2012-08-20T17:48:18 timoguin: chmod 777 the file 2012-08-20T17:48:21 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T17:48:34 aestetix: Ha ha! 2012-08-20T17:48:52 Probably not the answer. 2012-08-20T17:48:59 it does answer the question 2012-08-20T17:49:07 Sure it does. 2012-08-20T17:49:25 heh, without giving ever other user access... 2012-08-20T17:49:48 can you touch the accounting group at all? 2012-08-20T17:50:04 huh, my service reports 0.91-ubuntu1 on debian sid, but sysvinit-utils reports 2.88dsf-28 2012-08-20T17:50:14 I also wonder if you can get around that with a symlink 2012-08-20T17:50:23 no 2012-08-20T17:50:35 aestetix: I don't remember. Don't think it would allow me to edit the accounting group 2012-08-20T17:50:38 symlinks ignore permissions 2012-08-20T17:50:41 ok 2012-08-20T17:50:54 can you grant the user access to a program that has access to the file? 2012-08-20T17:51:01 * timoguin shrugs 2012-08-20T17:51:28 was there an answer given? :) 2012-08-20T17:51:38 Nope, but I'm sure I could ask the guy 2012-08-20T17:52:19 Also, maybe you could open the file in screen session, and then grant the user access to the screen session 2012-08-20T17:52:37 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-08-20T17:52:53 just give the user sudo access 2012-08-20T17:52:59 NOPASSWD 2012-08-20T17:53:57 Well goddamnit I suppose that would have worked 2012-08-20T17:54:48 brimstone: you coul do that too 2012-08-20T17:55:04 i mean what could go wrong? 2012-08-20T17:55:32 in fact, just use usermod to change their uid to 0 2012-08-20T17:55:33 done 2012-08-20T17:55:49 the 0 is for "0 problems" 2012-08-20T18:07:03 or 0day :p 2012-08-20T19:18:58 Well shit, think I have a court date tomorrow but for the life of me can not find any information on it. 2012-08-20T19:22:16 NotLarry: you really should not have brought all those teenagers to PN last year 2012-08-20T19:30:00 NotLarry: isn't your lawyer supposed to call you the day before to make sure you remember to show up? 2012-08-20T19:31:03 Don't have a lawyer for this. Don't have the money for legal representation. 2012-08-20T19:56:16 brimstone: *grrrrr* 2012-08-20T19:59:34 *ICK* 2012-08-20T20:00:01 Make a note: Before you try to glug-glug-glug sake that's been sitting in the cabinet over the fridge for god only knows how long... SMELL IT FIRST 2012-08-20T20:00:28 One of these bottles is ready to be sprinkled over a salad. *blech* 2012-08-20T20:11:09 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T20:11:53 lol 2012-08-20T20:12:12 Thankfully I have four other bottles. 2012-08-20T20:12:21 ...and now I'm probably done with my "drinking" for tonight 2012-08-20T20:12:27 I suck at alcoholism 2012-08-20T20:15:53 Me, too. 2012-08-20T20:16:00 I've not drank in over a week. 2012-08-20T20:17:31 http://games.slashdot.org/story/12/08/20/1515258/review-new-super-mario-bros-2-illustrates-nintendos-greatest-problem <-- this dude nails the new super mario brothers almost precisely. it has been most disappointing 2012-08-20T20:17:32 Title: Review: New Super Mario Bros. 2 Illustrates Nintendo's Greatest Problem - Slashdot (at games.slashdot.org) 2012-08-20T21:06:31 *** frenzy33 has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T21:12:08 *** Dolemite has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T21:12:15 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dolemite 2012-08-20T21:57:27 *** unixfg has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2012-08-20T22:26:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGjY3csXHn4 2012-08-20T22:26:52 Title: brazilian gameshow chick 11 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2012-08-20T22:33:27 *** unixfg has joined #se2600 2012-08-20T22:33:27 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o unixfg 2012-08-20T22:34:39 is she pantyless? 2012-08-20T22:34:50 ohh nvm 2012-08-20T22:36:00 knowing two brazilians... and them being both pretty cute girls... i can say this video doesn't entirely surprise me, lol, they focus a lot more on a nice ass down there than chest 2012-08-20T22:36:04