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2012-07-13T00:09:05  <Dagmar> Mapco is pro.  http://www.newschannel5.com/story/19014827/more-residents-find-outrageous-charges-from-mapco
2012-07-13T00:09:06  <GateKeeper> Title: More Customers Find Outrageous Charges From Mapco - NewsChannel5.com | Nashville News, Weather & Sports (at www.newschannel5.com)
2012-07-13T00:10:05  <Dagmar> nVidia... learning from the mistakes of others http://www.nvidia.com/content/forums/index.html
2012-07-13T00:10:06  <GateKeeper> Title: NVIDIA (at www.nvidia.com)
2012-07-13T00:10:34  <NotLarry> I don't have any idea why I would have taken it out of the truck.  I have to go get the bike away from the harley place tomorrow cause they are wanting to fuck me.  So I guess don't drive till Tuesday and I
2012-07-13T00:11:37  <NotLarry> and again, I post in the wrong window.
2012-07-13T00:11:47  <NotLarry> This internet thing is too strong for me.
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2012-07-13T04:15:01  <dasunt> Picked up the vacation time credit my old workplace owed me.
2012-07-13T04:15:08  <dasunt> Started chatting with my former coworker.
2012-07-13T04:15:31  <dasunt> Y'ever had a situation where you realize that quitting was the best thing ever?
2012-07-13T04:15:43  * dasunt is so happy.
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2012-07-13T07:21:35  <wilpig> krispy kreme or stay in bed?
2012-07-13T07:41:48  <Bahhumbug> krispy kreme
2012-07-13T07:41:53  <Bahhumbug> please get enough for all of us.
2012-07-13T07:42:31  <wilpig> guess I should put pants on then
2012-07-13T07:42:37  <wilpig> maybe a shirt too
2012-07-13T07:44:55  <Bahhumbug> probably a good idea seeing as they don't deliver.
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2012-07-13T07:47:55  <wilpig> theyd o have a drivethrough though
2012-07-13T07:53:50  <Bahhumbug> I would still recommend dressing.  Just imagine what it would be like if you have a fender-bender and need to get out of the car without pants.
2012-07-13T07:55:12  * wilpig gets out a pen.  Dear Penthouse...
2012-07-13T08:00:18  <MaxieZ> Today is Krispy Kreme's 75th I believe.
2012-07-13T08:00:38  <MaxieZ> Busy week.  Tesla or Krispy Kreme.  Who contributed more to humanity?
2012-07-13T08:00:49  <wilpig> alright i'm out the door.  and krispy kreme for sure
2012-07-13T08:00:54  <MaxieZ> heh
2012-07-13T08:01:04  <wilpig> tesla was some nut that had a bunch of theories that were all disproven by the genius that was edison
2012-07-13T08:01:11  <wilpig> pffffftttt tesla.  what a kook
2012-07-13T08:02:02  <Bahhumbug> don't forget
2012-07-13T08:02:05  <Bahhumbug> get enough for all of us
2012-07-13T08:22:18  <wilpig> donuts are here come and get them
2012-07-13T08:22:48  <Iyeman|Work> damn i want some donuts.
2012-07-13T08:36:30  <Bahhumbug> :/
2012-07-13T08:36:36  <Bahhumbug> You were supposed to deliver.
2012-07-13T08:37:50  <wilpig> I delivered from krispy kreme to my kitchen.  from my kitchen to my desk.  and then from my desk to my mouth.  that was already three deliveries.  you are getting greedy asking for more.   surely you can get to one of those three spots that I've already delivered to
2012-07-13T08:39:11  <Iyeman|Work> not in a timely manner from where im at. and im sure it would be weird if i just showed up in your kitchen eating your donuts.
2012-07-13T08:39:59  <wilpig> not as weird as you'd think
2012-07-13T08:44:23  * Bahhumbug restrains himself from making comments about deliveries to wilpig's mouth.
2012-07-13T08:52:45  <wilpig> since it is about that itme.  gonna go get another donut and feed it to the kraken as I crawl into bed
2012-07-13T08:57:50  <Bahhumbug> You have a personal Kraken?  Excellent!
2012-07-13T09:26:09  <Iyeman|Work> hmmm think i may acquire the eureka season finale to watch before it airs lol
2012-07-13T09:38:49  <Bahhumbug> s/season/series/
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2012-07-13T11:47:42  <Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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2012-07-13T14:51:17  <Dickie> Vajinga
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2012-07-13T17:10:10  <wilpig> where?
2012-07-13T17:10:13  * wilpig looks around
2012-07-13T17:28:05  <oddball> East of here
2012-07-13T17:31:30  <Dagmar> GODDAMN NAMESERVERS
2012-07-13T17:36:38  <Bahhumbug> Well, damning them probably won't make them want to work any better.
2012-07-13T17:36:47  <Bahhumbug> You should be nice to them.
2012-07-13T17:36:52  <Bahhumbug> Compliment them.
2012-07-13T17:37:28  <Dagmar> So... Isilon storage units do a cool thing.
2012-07-13T17:37:30  <Bahhumbug> Now, is it _really_ the name servers or whatever front end / idiots making changes that are really at fault?
2012-07-13T17:37:40  <Dagmar> They load balance by running their own little retarded nameserver.
2012-07-13T17:37:52  <Bahhumbug> Sounds hackish.
2012-07-13T17:37:59  <Dagmar> A retarded nameserver that hands out an A record for the node they want the request to go to.
2012-07-13T17:38:07  <Dagmar> It hands out just an A record.
2012-07-13T17:38:19  <Dagmar> ...and it's in it's own zone.
2012-07-13T17:38:45  <Dagmar> So I spent about 20 minutes just wigging the fuck out, because this basically makes the NS records from the parent zone that point to it... DISAPPEAR.
2012-07-13T17:39:44  <Bahhumbug> I can't help but think this is a VERY VERY bad idea.
2012-07-13T17:39:50  <Dagmar> I'm sitting there LOOKING at the goddamn parent zone file with NS records in it, and I can query the thing and *get the A record for root of the child zone* but if I query for the NS records that got me there, they just don't exist anymore.
2012-07-13T17:39:58  <Bahhumbug> You know... the whole caching thing and all.
2012-07-13T17:40:10  <Dagmar> Bahhumbug: Technically the NS records from the parent zone are glue
2012-07-13T17:40:16  <Bahhumbug> Right.
2012-07-13T17:40:25  <Dagmar> They stay there, and they override things for the nameserver itself, but you don't get to see them
2012-07-13T17:40:47  <Dagmar> ...and when it asks the other nameserver about the A record for the root of that zone, it gets the A record and SOA but no NS records.
2012-07-13T17:41:10  <Dagmar> ...because the NS records are technically not required by RFC.
2012-07-13T17:41:23  <Bahhumbug> Which is arguably wrong.
2012-07-13T17:41:37  <Dagmar> Well, they're not needed in this case, but it's CONFUSING AS FUCK
2012-07-13T17:41:46  <Bahhumbug> Of course it is.
2012-07-13T17:42:12  <Dagmar> I forgot you have to define the zone via FQDN or even worse shit happens
2012-07-13T17:42:35  <Bahhumbug> But additionally I was looking at it from a point of operational stability; client-side will cache that A and not every resolver is the same.  I can't picture this being a good solution for load balancing.
2012-07-13T17:42:44  <Dagmar> If you just do `hostname IN NS evil.fucking.nameserver` it will fuck up *all* the records
2012-07-13T17:42:48  <Bahhumbug> Of course, I've also had no sleep since yesterday so my brain isn't all here.
2012-07-13T17:43:16  <Dagmar> `hostname.fucking.nameserver. IN NS evil.fucking.nameserver` works fine
2012-07-13T17:43:24  <Dagmar> er with one more dot at the end
2012-07-13T17:44:36  <Dagmar> I "respectfully request[ed] [the vendor] add NS record transmission to the functionality of [their] [special-purpose] hack of BIND to keep from freaking out any more admins"
2012-07-13T17:45:37  <Dagmar> One of their own people was running `host isilon.evil.nameserver.shit` and it will give you the A record, and then just to drive you batty will also report an NXDOMAIN error
2012-07-13T17:45:51  <Bahhumbug> Did EMC buy Isilon or is it an internal division?
2012-07-13T17:46:10  <Dagmar> I don't know
2012-07-13T17:46:24  <Dagmar> Probably a different, more expensive division
2012-07-13T17:47:55  <Bahhumbug> Quick glance at it and it looks nice on the surface.
2012-07-13T17:48:07  <Bahhumbug> If one has the $$ for it anyway.
2012-07-13T17:49:22  <Bahhumbug> Ok, I think I'm done with this crap for today.  Some asshat is trying to tell me that journald is a good idea and my blood pressure is too high as it is.  Time to go plkay with the kitties.
2012-07-13T17:53:05  <Dagmar> Well, you could always just never bother cleaning up the journal.
2012-07-13T18:01:37  <Bahhumbug> In reference to Puttering's systemd journaling syslog retardary.
2012-07-13T18:02:26  <Dagmar> Ohh...
2012-07-13T18:02:32  <Dagmar> Yes, THAT is an assfuck
2012-07-13T18:02:45  <Dagmar> An incredibly crap solution to problems no one has.
2012-07-13T18:03:40  <Dagmar> "Why use text-files and simple escaping of non-printables when you can have UTTERLY INTRACTABLE BINARY BLOBS!"
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2012-07-13T18:04:22  <Dagmar> Let's not carefully solve the problem... Let's just come up with a whole NEW set of problems and fucking solve all of those!  YAY!
2012-07-13T18:05:17  <oddball> Dear Customer: You want us to fix the problem, the shut the fuck up and let us work on it!
2012-07-13T18:05:46  <Bahhumbug> Puttering wants to remake linux in his own image.
2012-07-13T18:05:52  <Dagmar> There's a brass plaque mounted on a teak backboard with the words "Fuck No" waiting for them when they finish their journaling syslong abomination.
2012-07-13T18:06:08  <Bahhumbug> He's an egomaniacal self-righteous, selfish asshole.
2012-07-13T18:06:17  <Dagmar> He can *really* go fuck himself on that syslog bullshit
2012-07-13T18:06:25  <Bahhumbug> Even Fedora's FESCO told him to fuck off.
2012-07-13T18:06:31  <Bahhumbug> The first and only time they've ever said no to him.
2012-07-13T18:06:40  <Bahhumbug> Canonical told him to fuck off as well.
2012-07-13T18:06:40  <Dagmar> People tore his entire reason for suggesting it apart, piece by piece, and he didn't have a good answer for a single bit of it
2012-07-13T18:06:47  <Bahhumbug> He never does.
2012-07-13T18:06:59  <Bahhumbug> People have short memories.
2012-07-13T18:07:19  <Dagmar> Admins hold a fucking grudge.
2012-07-13T18:07:27  <Bahhumbug> PulseAudio has done a world of hurt to every distribution that has adopted it.
2012-07-13T18:07:42  <Bahhumbug> Because Lennart loses interest when the next Oh! Shiny! idea comes along.
2012-07-13T18:07:52  <Dagmar> He did the same shit there
2012-07-13T18:07:55  <Bahhumbug> systemd is a clusterfuck of immense size.
2012-07-13T18:08:18  <Dagmar> Let's not solve the actual problem... Let's go and create a whole new set of fucked up problems and as an added bonus, not really solve any of them either.
2012-07-13T18:08:19  <Bahhumbug> And it looks like about a 95% certainty that systemd will be in EL7.
2012-07-13T18:08:24  <Bahhumbug> And that directly impacts me.
2012-07-13T18:08:27  <Bahhumbug> And not in a good way.
2012-07-13T18:08:28  <Dagmar> EL7/
2012-07-13T18:08:30  <Dagmar> ?
2012-07-13T18:08:33  <Bahhumbug> RHEL7.
2012-07-13T18:08:50  <Dagmar> I'll be campaigning for a switch to Ubuntu, campus-wide.
2012-07-13T18:09:05  <Dagmar> We're not even going to fucking flirt with the idea of using that
2012-07-13T18:09:06  <Bahhumbug> Thanks.  I just threw up in my mouth.
2012-07-13T18:09:21  <Dagmar> The answer is just plain "No".
2012-07-13T18:09:36  <Bahhumbug> I'm hoping some of the bigger RH clients tell them to fuck off.
2012-07-13T18:09:45  <Dagmar> We're not going to fucking switch out syslog that's working for some untested, insane, walled-garden piece of crap.
2012-07-13T18:10:24  <Dagmar> I have absolutely no interest in refactoring how our goddamn syslogs work when they work just fine.
2012-07-13T18:10:44  <Dagmar> If it means borrowing some RPMs from Fedora, that'll be fine.
2012-07-13T18:11:19  <Dagmar> He should shut the hell up about it and just go fuck up GPS2 for them
2012-07-13T18:11:28  <Bahhumbug> heh
2012-07-13T18:11:44  <Dagmar> Mirage is saying it does what it says on the tin and i'm pleased
2012-07-13T18:11:51  <Bahhumbug> The problem with all his nonsense is that it's an all in one solution.
2012-07-13T18:12:04  <Dagmar> That's about as anti-goddamn Linux as it gets
2012-07-13T18:12:14  <Bahhumbug> systemd is the single most invasive change as anything I've seen in a decade.
2012-07-13T18:12:38  <Bahhumbug> And it's, as has been reiterated over and over again, a solution to a non-existent problem set.
2012-07-13T18:12:39  <Dagmar> It's nearly damn pointless.
2012-07-13T18:12:47  <Dagmar> Who the fuck cares if you have "aggressive parallelization"
2012-07-13T18:13:00  <Dagmar> How fucking often do you need to reboot your shit each year and why can't you stop rebooting?
2012-07-13T18:13:23  <Bahhumbug> First off, if you need to be concerned with boot time you're doing it wrong.
2012-07-13T18:13:30  <Dagmar> Definitely.
2012-07-13T18:13:45  <Dagmar> Upstart messed a few things up, but it's not obsessively pursuing being incompatible with shit
2012-07-13T18:13:45  <Bahhumbug> If you're worried about services being down perhaps you should have engineered your infra so that it doesn't matter if one or more servers is unreachable.
2012-07-13T18:13:53  <Dagmar> ...and it fixed more things than it broke
2012-07-13T18:14:08  <Bahhumbug> Meh.  sysVinit works fine and has for 20+ years.
2012-07-13T18:15:25  <Dagmar> It's a functional mechanism but it doesn't handle dependencies for crap
2012-07-13T18:15:37  <Dagmar> Upstart at least makes that stuff nice and clean
2012-07-13T18:15:45  <Dagmar> ...although someone needs to put fucking single user mode back into it
2012-07-13T18:16:10  <Bahhumbug> I've never had a problem with sysVinit deps that I wasn't able to work through in a few moments.
2012-07-13T18:16:12  <Bahhumbug> YMMV
2012-07-13T18:16:23  <Bahhumbug> The biggest push for systemd wasn't, however, the dep issue.
2012-07-13T18:16:33  <Dagmar> Shit can start before the network is up, and stays up if the network goes away.
2012-07-13T18:16:39  <Bahhumbug> It was the whiners whose laptops didn't boot in .0000005 seconds.
2012-07-13T18:16:55  <eryc> ooh this looks good what is the beef
2012-07-13T18:17:03  <Dagmar> Fucking Lennary
2012-07-13T18:17:06  <Dagmar> er Lennart
2012-07-13T18:17:10  <Bahhumbug> Puttering :)
2012-07-13T18:17:17  <Bahhumbug> It is so very apt :)
2012-07-13T18:18:39  <eryc> oooh you think systemd is bad? Try upstart!!
2012-07-13T18:18:46  <eryc> fucking comical!
2012-07-13T18:18:52  <Dagmar> systemd is worse
2012-07-13T18:18:58  <eryc> upstart is a joke
2012-07-13T18:19:02  <Dagmar> upstart is merely annoying by comparison
2012-07-13T18:19:08  <eryc> its stupid
2012-07-13T18:19:27  <eryc> they should have copied SMF and be done with it
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2012-07-13T18:20:33  <Bahhumbug> god damn ^w in windows.
2012-07-13T18:21:11  <Dagmar> hehe
2012-07-13T18:21:24  <Bahhumbug> I need a drink.
2012-07-13T18:21:27  <Bahhumbug> This week has sucked.
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2012-07-13T21:56:32  <wilpig> YAY.  Force people away from IE.  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/07/jquery-2-0-javascript-framework-to-drop-support-for-ie-6-7-and-8/
2012-07-13T21:56:33  <GateKeeper> Title: jQuery 2.0 JavaScript framework to drop support for IE 6, 7, and 8 | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
2012-07-13T22:00:38  <Bahhumbug> Oh.  Good deal.
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2012-07-13T23:31:24  <rangerz> https://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/558246_10150923385581711_1568334693_n.jpg
2012-07-13T23:32:27  <rangerz> only two i don't recognize are the top left wombat w/sword and the guy right below him behind optimus prime's shoulder