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2012-06-04T01:10:11  <Evilpig> Catonic: I'm thinking about heading down your direction on the 27th.  Aranda is playing with Saving Abel and Redlight King there in huntsville at Sammy T's
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2012-06-04T05:15:27  <Evilpig> I'm a bad man
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2012-06-04T05:51:31  <Kive> yo
2012-06-04T05:52:57  <Kive> Really? I shop up and everyone is idle or asleep? slackers.
2012-06-04T05:53:02  <Kive> *show
2012-06-04T05:55:29  <Kive> Alright, but I'm only letting you guys off easy because I typo'd.
2012-06-04T06:16:20  <Evilpig> i'm alie
2012-06-04T06:16:21  <Evilpig> alive
2012-06-04T06:16:29  <Evilpig> even working on the phreaknic site.  tee hee
2012-06-04T06:17:11  <Evilpig> I have to say if I keep on this setup,  this year's site will completely amuse... well me at least.  fuck the rest of you
2012-06-04T06:32:04  <Evilpig> damnit.  looks like my vm rebooted.  bastard computer.  that shit wasn't saved!
2012-06-04T06:38:28  <Bahhumbug> So...
2012-06-04T06:38:31  <Bahhumbug> It's Monday.
2012-06-04T06:38:41  <Bahhumbug> Did you comply with Skydick's demands?
2012-06-04T06:39:18  <Evilpig> Hrmm good question.  lemme check.
2012-06-04T06:39:46  <Evilpig> http://i.imgur.com/TaJEy.png  appears not
2012-06-04T06:40:32  * Bahhumbug nods
2012-06-04T06:40:42  <Bahhumbug> So I wonder what form the hit will take.
2012-06-04T06:40:58  <Bahhumbug> Mysterious hit and run with a vehicle fleeing the scene.
2012-06-04T06:41:07  <Bahhumbug> Industrial accident.
2012-06-04T06:41:17  <Bahhumbug> Slip and break your neck in your shower / tub.
2012-06-04T06:41:17  <Evilpig> well he has a chance for that hit an run in about two hours
2012-06-04T06:41:23  <Bahhumbug> Food poisoning.
2012-06-04T06:41:56  <Evilpig> That place where I put things is temporarily down until the "or else" has time to take effect
2012-06-04T06:46:04  <Evilpig> I got a lovely note on facebook from his ex-wife asking me to leave him alone
2012-06-04T06:48:41  <Evilpig> her comment " I think it's actually a grownup who asks in person for another to behave as a grownup. I imagine you will unfriend me now, and I am sad about that. It may surprise you to know that he is very upset also that it has come to this. Both of you are decent, intelligent people. Your cons won't even be in the same town now. It didn't have to be this way, Wilbur. It is high time your life took a turn for the better. I will be very happy to celebrate that
2012-06-04T06:51:04  <Kive> Folks are awake!
2012-06-04T06:51:09  <Evilpig> myth
2012-06-04T06:52:03  <Kive> Guess I missed some drama if we're talking about Skydick. I'm guessing Bah didn't mean the super-cluster that takes over humanity and controls billions of robots intent on suppression of the human race.
2012-06-04T06:52:56  <Evilpig> Skydick showed up to the 2600 meeting friday and gave me an ultimatum to remove all photoshops of him, parody's of his websites, etc or else he has some thinking to do
2012-06-04T06:53:23  <Kive> Yeah, I'm so out of touch I haven't even seen any photoshops or parodies, I'm afraid.
2012-06-04T06:53:32  <Evilpig> OH BOY!  Fresh meat!
2012-06-04T06:53:36  <Kive> Let alone knowledge of the drama that set this off.
2012-06-04T06:53:36  <Evilpig> http://skydickcon.com
2012-06-04T06:53:39  <GateKeeper> Title: Home - SkyDickCon (at skydickcon.com)
2012-06-04T06:53:57  <Evilpig> turn your speakers up, btw
2012-06-04T06:54:01  <Kive> Alright -- sounds like my next few minutes of entertainment is right there.
2012-06-04T06:56:03  <Evilpig> back to PN website creating
2012-06-04T06:57:17  <Catonic> Evilpig: I'm a bit further south.
2012-06-04T06:57:28  <Catonic> I stay the hell out of HSV if I can avoid it.
2012-06-04T06:57:44  <Evilpig> I'm considering going down.  cause it would be a good show and i'm off that night
2012-06-04T06:57:54  <Catonic> watch out for the THP
2012-06-04T06:58:01  <Kive> lol... "SkyDickCon was born from a very simple idea. Fuck those guys."
2012-06-04T06:58:13  <Evilpig> tee hee.  forgot I did that
2012-06-04T06:58:17  <Bahhumbug> There are THP in Huntsville?
2012-06-04T06:58:18  <Kive> Okay, so bad blood exists now -- got it.
2012-06-04T06:58:20  * Bahhumbug is confused
2012-06-04T06:58:28  <Evilpig> not too worried about the THP cause I won't be drinking if I go
2012-06-04T06:58:29  <Kive> But wtf from?
2012-06-04T06:58:38  <Evilpig> Kive him getting voted out three years ago
2012-06-04T06:59:01  <Kive> Okay, and all of a sudden -now- we have hurt feelings and douchbaggery, or what?
2012-06-04T06:59:09  <Bahhumbug> Or, as I like to put it.  Chip On A Shoulder Syndrome.
2012-06-04T06:59:25  <Evilpig> several of us locals didn't take the not announcing PN dates til 30 days before the con and treating it like his own personal commercial to be the best direction for phreaknic and he was voted out.
2012-06-04T06:59:47  <Kive> that sounds reasonable -- and you guys all take a vote. So be the results.
2012-06-04T07:00:05  <Evilpig> it's been building but now he is running skydickcon a "For Profit" con and is having to answer questions why he is getting demolished online and can't do anythign to shut me up
2012-06-04T07:00:34  <Bahhumbug> Evilpig: *cough*contracted hit*cough*
2012-06-04T07:00:38  <Kive> heh, like you have to try on that? dude, a for-profit con in the #se is going to fail left and right.
2012-06-04T07:00:58  <Evilpig> you'd be surprised.  the one thing skydick can do is sell himself
2012-06-04T07:01:08  <Kive> Pretty sure word gets around. ;)
2012-06-04T07:01:09  <Bahhumbug> You make him sound like a whore.
2012-06-04T07:01:13  <Evilpig> he managed to convince at least 80 people to show up last year for $85 a pop
2012-06-04T07:01:23  <Kive> ooh, 80 real live people?
2012-06-04T07:01:35  <Evilpig> didn't hurt that he was also spreading the rumor that phreaknic was dead, etc
2012-06-04T07:02:07  <Kive> le sigh -- no one does drama like #se does drama. You get that this is a self-solving issue, if I'm reading it right, right?
2012-06-04T07:02:33  <Evilpig> yar it is
2012-06-04T07:02:38  <Kive> very much so
2012-06-04T07:02:41  <Kive> just takes a little time
2012-06-04T07:02:44  <Catonic> it's fascinating
2012-06-04T07:02:54  <Catonic> to see one go from playing one side to the other
2012-06-04T07:03:04  <Evilpig> it has other issues.  we have the hacker consortium in town and he ran off all the people that were/are involved in 2600 despite their help in starting it, etc.
2012-06-04T07:03:07  <Catonic> now the aggressor is the victim.
2012-06-04T07:03:27  <Evilpig> I thought I was the aggressor all along?
2012-06-04T07:03:28  <Catonic> there's a positive direction this could have been taken in...
2012-06-04T07:03:33  * Kive boggles -- running off the folks that were/are involved in 2600 despite their help in *starting* it? 
2012-06-04T07:03:36  <Kive> ;)
2012-06-04T07:03:58  <Kive> Look, I ain't taking your side, I ain't taking his side. Barely know him, barely know you guys. My side is the community...
2012-06-04T07:04:11  <Kive> ... but the obvious gets exposed as obvious really fast, you know.
2012-06-04T07:04:49  <Evilpig> yeah.  the obvious is... if he had worked with us last year instead of running the anti-phreaknic campaign we'd have had a huge year and everyone would have benefited
2012-06-04T07:05:19  <Kive> You mean more of our kindred spirits didn't show up just because of an anti-phreaknic campaign?
2012-06-04T07:05:36  <Kive> Haven't been to a PN in like 4 years now -- again, please forgive my ignorance.
2012-06-04T07:05:40  <Evilpig> he held it the same weekend...
2012-06-04T07:06:01  <Kive> Egads, he should have just called it outer-outer-zone
2012-06-04T07:06:11  <Evilpig> yeah pretty much
2012-06-04T07:06:37  <Kive> Still... douche moves in this area don't ever succeed. Folks in this community have brains... they're not all sheep, etc..
2012-06-04T07:06:44  <Evilpig> if these spasms don't quit in my leg I am gonna chop teh motherfucker off
2012-06-04T07:07:08  <Kive> Anyway, thanks for filling me in a bit. Guess I missed that bit o drama.
2012-06-04T07:07:20  <Kive> I trust PN is in good hands for the time being?
2012-06-04T07:07:24  <Evilpig> yar
2012-06-04T07:07:28  <Kive> good
2012-06-04T07:07:28  <Evilpig> you should come out this year
2012-06-04T07:07:38  <Evilpig> gonna try for the whole hog roast #2
2012-06-04T07:07:47  <Evilpig> or maybe a whole calf roast...
2012-06-04T07:07:52  <Kive> If I could ever get a friggin reminder with enough notice to put it in my schedule, I'd love to
2012-06-04T07:08:10  <Evilpig> I'll remind you.  I can't tell you dates right now due to some hotel issues
2012-06-04T07:08:27  <Kive> Fair enough. kive@kive.me always works for me. Just give me 2 months notice if possible.
2012-06-04T07:08:34  <Evilpig> roger
2012-06-04T07:08:38  <Kive> And I can always fill a speaker slot if you need it.
2012-06-04T07:08:46  <Kive> (not that I wanna speak)
2012-06-04T07:08:56  <Evilpig> I always need speakers.  heh
2012-06-04T07:09:13  <Kive> I always have 2-3 good ones on deck. Just say the word if you guys really need it.
2012-06-04T07:09:44  <Evilpig> I was told by jonnyx that the kid that built the fusion reactor is coming again AND will be telling/showing folks that he is no longer buying deuturium and is manufacturing it himself now
2012-06-04T07:09:53  <Kive> lol
2012-06-04T07:09:55  <Kive> nice
2012-06-04T07:10:21  <Kive> Mental note: ask DOE guys to let me borrow a rad-suit before going to PN.
2012-06-04T07:11:06  <Evilpig> he swears it is safe.  we might have sterilized a room full of geeks too
2012-06-04T07:11:32  <Kive> Yeah, I prefer to avoid that. ;)
2012-06-04T07:11:57  <Kive> There might be a reason I always take girls to PN. Dunno.
2012-06-04T07:12:35  <Evilpig> you can be sterile and bring them.
2012-06-04T07:13:01  <Kive> Yeah, but there becomes a certain usability issue at some point along that spectrum.
2012-06-04T07:14:44  <Kive> Egads, I'm not sure you guys are ready for the girls to show up again. Too many broken hacker-wannabees last time as it was.
2012-06-04T07:15:18  <Kive> Anyway... you got my interest before.. hacker consortium?
2012-06-04T07:15:27  <Evilpig> local maker shop
2012-06-04T07:15:34  <Kive> Oh, like FreesideATL
2012-06-04T07:15:45  <Kive> Total maker fail-sauce?
2012-06-04T07:15:46  <Evilpig> yeah but closed to the general public and they have a president fo' life
2012-06-04T07:16:05  <Kive> oh, that's healthy
2012-06-04T07:17:02  <Kive> Been involved in three startup hackerspaces now -- none survive with dictatorship.
2012-06-04T07:17:28  <Evilpig> when you have a cult they tend to survive
2012-06-04T07:17:29  <Kive> And none end up the way you think they would a couple years down the road, either, fwiw
2012-06-04T07:17:42  <Kive> Nah, then you just have a den o' circle-jerk.
2012-06-04T07:19:16  <Kive> If one guy funds, then he gets to play dictator. But then it's really just a lot of folks playing with the (benevolent?) dictator's toys.
2012-06-04T07:19:23  <Kive> That isn't sustainable.
2012-06-04T07:19:45  <Evilpig> they're sheep.  they don't think like that
2012-06-04T07:19:59  <Kive> Then they aren't really our crowd and it's moot, then, too, right?
2012-06-04T07:20:14  <Kive> (I could totally have put more commas in that sentence)
2012-06-04T07:20:31  <Evilpig> they're helpful.  or some of them were.  and a few of them are crafty types just not real break from the pack types
2012-06-04T07:21:21  <Kive> The day I realized I felt good about not paying dues to FreesideATL was the day someone mentioned a sewing lab.
2012-06-04T07:21:36  <Kive> A hackerspace is only a hackerspace with, well, hackers.
2012-06-04T07:22:21  <Kive> Most of the hackerspaces around are just makerspaces, complete with disfunctional social scenes and all. No ingenuity, no progress, etc...
2012-06-04T07:22:42  <Kive> Name one hackerspace that came out with a nice zero-day, or a nice pen-testing tool, or any other kind of tool, as an example.
2012-06-04T07:23:23  <Kive> Anyway, not saying the folks at FreesideATL or at that space aren't good folks... but it isn't exactly our crowd, again.
2012-06-04T07:24:03  <Evilpig> I've been trying to get people from several different areas to come to PN and show off what they're working on. makers, hackers, brewers, etc
2012-06-04T07:25:15  <Kive> And I think that makes sense.
2012-06-04T07:25:36  <Kive> BUT... it's rare that anyone involved with a hackerspace in the Southeast is an actual hacker.
2012-06-04T07:25:58  <Evilpig> MakersLocal has several hackers.
2012-06-04T07:26:06  <Evilpig> brimstone is one
2012-06-04T07:26:46  <Kive> You guys got out better than we did, then.
2012-06-04T07:27:01  <Kive> We had a dozen hardcore hackers going in -- none of us lasted past the first two years.
2012-06-04T07:28:52  <Kive> I think the closest I've seen in my visits of spaces was probably 757 -- up in Newport News.
2012-06-04T07:28:59  <Kive> Dunno, I'm probably jaded.
2012-06-04T07:29:31  <Evilpig> Didn't realize they had one there.  With all the trips I used to make down to williamsburg, before the divorce
2012-06-04T07:29:45  <Kive> Yeah, it's pretty sweet, too... good crew, good space.
2012-06-04T07:30:39  <Kive> But even going to the well-known spaces, like NYCResistor, bridge, etc... I still haven't really seen security-oriented hackery taking place.
2012-06-04T07:30:58  <Kive> Good science in some, good projects in others, sure.
2012-06-04T07:31:33  <Evilpig> i'd like a place I could take my truck and learn to fix some of the random shit on it.  most of it is easy crap if you have the space / tools
2012-06-04T07:31:51  <Kive> That you can do. Just not in ATL. ;)
2012-06-04T07:32:00  <Kive> That's just learning -- and I endorse that wholeheartedly.
2012-06-04T07:32:34  <Kive> I guess I carry more of the European view of Hackerspaces. And I'm rambling again. ;)
2012-06-04T07:32:41  <Evilpig> learning is good
2012-06-04T07:32:47  <Kive> Totally, no question.
2012-06-04T07:33:19  <Evilpig> now to look at this beta site in chrome and jack the font size up to "dolemite is fucking blind" level and see what issue he's complaining about
2012-06-04T07:33:42  <Kive> But I haven't heard of a "learningspace" taking off. ;)
2012-06-04T07:34:01  <Kive> Maybe that's our problem.
2012-06-04T07:34:46  <Kive> Anyway, let me know when you get dates on PN -- I'll make time to go.
2012-06-04T07:34:55  <Kive> And if you need help with hotel negotiations, just shout.
2012-06-04T07:35:02  <Evilpig> roger.  I have dates now.  I just can't tell you til the contract is final
2012-06-04T07:35:08  <Kive> It's cool.
2012-06-04T07:35:16  <Evilpig> we'd have a final contract if a sales staff didn't just mysteriously disappear
2012-06-04T07:35:25  <Kive> Big chain hotel?
2012-06-04T07:35:33  <Evilpig> I can't wait to get the real story on if they were fired or quit
2012-06-04T07:35:42  <Evilpig> chain, but local
2012-06-04T07:35:54  <Kive> Yeah, I'm no help likely, then.
2012-06-04T07:36:11  <Kive> I'm good at wielding the clue-by-four with big chains. Not so much local franchises or little properties.
2012-06-04T07:39:07  <Evilpig> chrome!  why you no float text?
2012-06-04T07:39:39  <Kive> rhia -- tag you're it (message for her logs)
2012-06-04T07:41:09  <Catonic> yeah, hackerspaces tend to evolve into makerspaces...
2012-06-04T07:41:20  <Catonic> when really all we want is a garage to play in with tools without rent
2012-06-04T07:41:26  <Catonic> but it's hard to reverse engineer.
2012-06-04T07:41:54  <Kive> That's true from all that I've seen, too.
2012-06-04T07:42:24  <Catonic> otoh, most makerspaces that have sewing labs tend to have the influx from the ren fair / cosplay crowd..
2012-06-04T07:42:34  <Kive> But I also think that's not all that is possible. It's like saying that 2600 meets would have completely devolved if/when we met in some dude's garage.
2012-06-04T07:42:42  <Catonic> which is good, because both sexes are involved, so it's not a man/boy shop.
2012-06-04T07:43:02  <Kive> My best guess so far is that those changes happen because of unlimited membership.
2012-06-04T07:43:13  <Kive> And I've seen girls throw up their arms just as easily.
2012-06-04T07:43:15  <Catonic> gotta pay yhr bills
2012-06-04T07:43:20  <Catonic> *the
2012-06-04T07:43:23  <Kive> Meh -- that's a business issue. ;)
2012-06-04T07:43:53  <Catonic> nashville worked out because the owner of the building was happy to rent at $1 a year for a few years, while the tenant rebuilt the inside of the place...
2012-06-04T07:44:01  <Catonic> a lot of sweat equity.
2012-06-04T07:44:32  <Kive> And I never saw the Nashvegas space except on the other end of a webcam years ago.
2012-06-04T07:44:49  <Catonic> it's your basic two-car garage and some space
2012-06-04T07:45:10  <Catonic> you could park 4 cars in there, 2x2
2012-06-04T07:45:43  <Catonic> I don't know about HSV
2012-06-04T07:45:48  <Catonic> it's been a while since I've been by.
2012-06-04T07:46:46  <Kive> I think for the most part, what the founders of hackerspaces have envisioned and what the spaces turned into, were quite different. Not bad, just not anything that the initial founding crew was usually interested in.
2012-06-04T07:46:58  <Kive> At least for most of the #se spaces.
2012-06-04T07:47:06  <Catonic> http://ossmann.blogspot.com/2010/03/16-pocket-spectrum-analyzer.html
2012-06-04T07:47:07  <GateKeeper> Title: mossmann's blog: a $16 pocket spectrum analyzer (at ossmann.blogspot.com)
2012-06-04T07:47:08  <Kive> And I do speak from limited experience, of course.
2012-06-04T07:47:31  <Catonic> well, now you understand why it's called "vision"
2012-06-04T07:47:45  <Kive> Of course. :)
2012-06-04T07:48:06  <Catonic> and why it's important to communicate that, and sell everyone on the idea
2012-06-04T07:48:22  <Catonic> then realize the expectations and be happy with the result
2012-06-04T07:48:52  <Catonic> if you wanted to make a pocket communications device and had envisioned the star trek communicator, you'd be a little let down when they brought you the bag phone.
2012-06-04T07:49:11  <Kive> Well, if you create a space and invite the masses, and it's a democracy, then the masses get to change it to suit their needs. Nothing wrong with that.
2012-06-04T07:49:28  <Kive> And I'm not a fan of an un-democratic space, either.
2012-06-04T07:49:30  <Catonic> and then when your #6 competitor turns into #2 and bring the star trek device to life...
2012-06-04T07:49:46  <Kive> But I do personally question the open-admittance policies that many spaces have. Just my own view.
2012-06-04T07:49:55  <Catonic> I guess you have to weigh it
2012-06-04T07:49:58  <Kive> but that's the rub, too.
2012-06-04T07:50:12  <Catonic> on the one hand, you have to pay the bills
2012-06-04T07:50:21  <Catonic> on the other hand, you want like minds...
2012-06-04T07:50:29  <Catonic> you can't be entirely exclusionary...
2012-06-04T07:50:44  <Catonic> but democracy may not be the best method of ruling/organization
2012-06-04T07:51:16  <Catonic> mob rule tends to overrule the outlier's voices
2012-06-04T07:51:33  <Catonic> Occupy proved that, quite well
2012-06-04T07:54:04  * rhia glomps Kive 
2012-06-04T07:54:09  <Kive> hi rhia :)
2012-06-04T07:54:20  <rhia> will be AFK for awhile
2012-06-04T07:54:42  <Kive> Catonic: mobs rule, perhaps. I still think there are missing pieces to the equation, just as I think there are successful implementations to look at.
2012-06-04T07:54:44  <rhia> saw the ping, but headed out for ... 48 hrs or so
2012-06-04T07:54:58  <Kive> rhia: Cool beans -- just figured I log on to IRC oh so often and wanted to say hey. :)
2012-06-04T07:55:07  <Kive> Come out to Vegas this year! ;)
2012-06-04T07:55:31  <rhia> might try, is closer from here than from ATL
2012-06-04T07:55:49  <Kive> I officially get bitched at if I spend less than two weeks out there for it.
2012-06-04T07:56:02  <Kive> kive@kive.me -- drop me a line if you guys try to come out. I'd love to see ya.
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2012-06-04T09:10:00  * brimstone stirs
2012-06-04T09:10:46  * opticron prefers his brimstones shaken, not stirred
2012-06-04T09:38:04  * Evilpig grabs brimstone's shoulders and shakes
2012-06-04T09:58:11  * brimstone slurs
2012-06-04T10:03:17  <Evilpig> I didn't realize that 4TB drives were available now
2012-06-04T10:03:58  <opticron> yeah, hitachi or someone just jammed an extra 1TB platter into the drive
2012-06-04T10:04:19  <opticron> also the hitachi drive business is now owned by WD
2012-06-04T10:07:14  <Evilpig> http://www.jr.com/sony/pe/SON_SMPN200?JRSource=linkshare&SiteID=Es5Ekr9eEBk-k3ltiydclXhkSppLaNX64A#productTabDetails
2012-06-04T10:07:16  <GateKeeper> Title: Sony SMP-N200 Network Streaming HD Video Player in Wireless Multimedia Networking Devices | JR.com (at www.jr.com)
2012-06-04T10:07:30  <Evilpig> that isn't a bad price for that.  partly because they are about to releae the new model
2012-06-04T10:08:55  <Evilpig> heh it's even discounted in hte official sony store to $50
2012-06-04T10:10:01  <opticron> ew...sony
2012-06-04T10:11:02  <Evilpig> I wanna say the new one is a blu-ray player too, and has google tv
2012-06-04T10:44:45  <Dagmar> Looks like Monday is here.
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2012-06-04T10:45:52  <Dagmar> Catonic: Seriously?  SkyDog is only paying $1/year?
2012-06-04T10:46:03  <Dagmar> Well that was definitely something he's never mentioned much of
2012-06-04T10:46:32  <timoguin> $1/yr is too cheap for a hooker
2012-06-04T10:46:51  <Dagmar> Now I'm wondering who's keeping an eye on those dues he's been collecting
2012-06-04T10:48:15  <Dagmar> I was under the impression he was justifying the rather pricey dues involved based on a sizable leasing cost.
2012-06-04T10:49:06  <timoguin> pretty sure the leasing costs aren't much. from what i understand, they worked out a deal on the leasing
2012-06-04T10:49:35  <timoguin> place was falling apart. they fixed it up. made a deal with IT support
2012-06-04T10:49:38  <timoguin> AFAIK
2012-06-04T10:50:02  <Dagmar> Well, yeah.  If you scroll up, Catonic is saying he worked a deal similar to the one PhreakNIC worked with the Stadium Inn, except I'm pretty sure we're still paying the Staduim Inn more than $1/year for that space on the 9th floor
2012-06-04T10:50:25  <timoguin> ah, talking about the hotel
2012-06-04T10:50:26  <timoguin> sorry
2012-06-04T10:50:32  <Dagmar> No, I'm talking about both
2012-06-04T10:50:52  <Dagmar> We get a discount on the use of the facilities for fixing their crap all year
2012-06-04T10:50:58  <Dagmar> ...but it's just a discount.
2012-06-04T10:51:15  <Evilpig> from what they got in tech services last year it should have been a wash.
2012-06-04T10:51:34  <Dagmar> THis is the first I've heard about the hackerspace not actually paying any significant rent costss.
2012-06-04T10:51:36  <Evilpig> part of the reason we went hotel shopping
2012-06-04T10:51:40  <Dagmar> I hope someone's keeping an eye on that money
2012-06-04T10:51:56  <Evilpig> he's president for life.  it's his money
2012-06-04T10:52:17  <Dagmar> I ain't sayin' he'll steal it, but I wouldn't be the least bit suprised to find the accounting isn't being done and it's just gotten blown on gear which may or may not be getting inventoried
2012-06-04T10:52:18  <Evilpig> spent on neat stuff like the laser engraver, etc that he branded for skydickcon
2012-06-04T11:01:55  <oddball> Yeah, the story I've always heard matches what you heard Dagmar
2012-06-04T11:06:25  <Evilpig> welp.  time to bed.  i'm aleady fighting it and I just turned on sherlock holmets - s02e03
2012-06-04T11:06:39  <Dagmar> It's time to hear about the internet being green
2012-06-04T11:08:24  <Dagmar> Vulnerability in iptables?  I'll believe it when I see a CVE
2012-06-04T11:10:06  <Evilpig> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=826702
2012-06-04T11:10:09  <GateKeeper> Title: Bug 826702 CVE-2012-2663 iptables: --syn flag bypass (at bugzilla.redhat.com)
2012-06-04T11:10:35  <Dagmar> Yeah.
2012-06-04T11:10:41  <Dagmar> Sal is kinda fuckin' useless
2012-06-04T11:10:57  <Dagmar> He rattled off what should have been two very scary things, but stripped of all possile useful details
2012-06-04T11:10:57  <Dagmar> WTF
2012-06-04T11:11:12  <Evilpig> his googlefu is weak
2012-06-04T11:11:16  <Dagmar> The hard-coded Android password vulnerability could be referring to fucking anything
2012-06-04T11:12:01  <Dagmar> ***MOTHER FUCKERS***
2012-06-04T11:12:06  <Dagmar> FUCKING READ SIT
2012-06-04T11:12:41  * Evilpig attempts to fuck and read while sitting
2012-06-04T11:15:33  <Evilpig> I present this link and suggest it is better than any ole monday morning change meeting
2012-06-04T11:15:37  <Evilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pH6ChWnS0uo
2012-06-04T11:15:38  <GateKeeper> Title: Notlarry does a kegstand - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
2012-06-04T11:18:12  <Dagmar> Fucking madness
2012-06-04T11:18:22  <Dagmar> Absolute fucking madness
2012-06-04T11:18:41  <Dagmar> These people are completely a drag on the entire process
2012-06-04T11:19:10  <Dagmar> At least they approved the one to bugfix the internal ITS server
2012-06-04T11:19:26  <Dagmar> I was about to just ask them all "Do you want the damn site to work properly or not?"
2012-06-04T11:20:03  <Dagmar> I was not amused to hear them *already* talking about my verbiage, which they initially just fucking ignored, except IT DIDN'T APPLY TO THE TICKET WHERE I WAS SAYING IT WILL BREAK NOTHING>
2012-06-04T11:20:11  <Dagmar> *bangs head on desk*
2012-06-04T11:20:18  <Dagmar> Going to smoke a cigarette now
2012-06-04T11:22:07  <Dagmar> ...because this is fucked up shit
2012-06-04T11:22:15  <Dagmar> I tell them it's going to probably take 11-14 hours
2012-06-04T11:22:20  <Dagmar> They don't want to impact business horus
2012-06-04T11:22:31  <Dagmar> So they tell me to move it to the window on Sunday night at midnight
2012-06-04T11:22:47  <Dagmar> ...which means it will be going on next Monday morning during the management meeting.
2012-06-04T11:22:56  <Dagmar> ...at which point I will be a dick about it.
2012-06-04T11:23:04  <Dagmar> I have had it with this bullshit
2012-06-04T11:23:12  <Evilpig> lol.  you shouldn't expect anything but madness from them especially after the revelations of the opendns problem lurking on the horizon
2012-06-04T11:23:22  <Dagmar> There's another one?
2012-06-04T11:23:39  <Evilpig> just the one where vandy eventually gets flagged and blocked
2012-06-04T11:23:53  <Dagmar> Oh... Well, that won't be a problem
2012-06-04T11:24:24  <Dagmar> We *already* had to basically whitelist vanderbilt.edu internally because the fucking thing has been breaking AD authentication at random times for over a year
2012-06-04T11:24:42  <Dagmar> If it gets blocked externally, it'll probably be some time before they notice
2012-06-04T11:24:46  <Evilpig> holmes has a blacklight and I have no idea why.  I should probably pay attention
2012-06-04T11:25:18  <Dagmar> In theory, we were supposed to have a "DNS Task Force" to fix this outstanding bullshit
2012-06-04T11:25:19  <Evilpig> at the first instance of it breaking internal connections it shoul dhave thrown up red flags
2012-06-04T11:25:55  <Dagmar> However, exactly fuck all has happened because the siloing fuckwit who doesn't want to have to allow slave transfers is apparently able to indefinitely postpone such discussions
2012-06-04T11:26:13  <Dagmar> evilpig: That would require the AD team be able to acutally figure shit out
2012-06-04T11:26:26  <Dagmar> *I* am the motherfucker who figured out where the problem was coming from
2012-06-04T11:26:53  <Evilpig> we need to get a clue delivery up there. clearely there aren't enough to go around. ;)
2012-06-04T11:26:55  <Dagmar> I am becoming extremely frustrated with the amount of bullshit it takes to get anything fixed
2012-06-04T11:27:04  <Dagmar> Mirage catches hell for just fixing shit without filing a change
2012-06-04T11:27:15  <Dagmar> I can't really say that on balance there's a goddamn thing wrong with that
2012-06-04T11:27:24  <Dagmar> \...because management basically acts like morons
2012-06-04T11:29:02  <Evilpig> they aren't acting
2012-06-04T11:53:14  <Dagmar> I know.  *sigh*
2012-06-04T11:53:42  <Dagmar> Next Monday morning when they ask why the change is still going during business hours it's going to be hard to not just laugh at them
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2012-06-04T14:20:54  <Bahhumbug> <@Dagmar> I tell them it's going to probably take 11-14 hours
2012-06-04T14:21:05  <Bahhumbug> Seems to me like you've warned them already.
2012-06-04T14:27:08  <Dagmar> yeah but it's wasted breath
2012-06-04T15:16:49  <Bahhumbug> So laugh at 'em.
2012-06-04T15:16:55  <Bahhumbug> Laughing is good.
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2012-06-04T17:16:52  <Dagmar> So is getting some hounds and hunting someone by the light of the full moon.
2012-06-04T17:17:02  <Dagmar> One of these is a *lot* more fun than the other, actually.
2012-06-04T18:00:00  <Bahhumbug> No argument there.
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2012-06-04T20:14:57  <Catonic> Dagmar: yeah. Bear in mind that the place was a rotten, sunken hull of a building when they got there..
2012-06-04T20:15:27  <Catonic> Any monies that Skydog has collected haven't gone to waste. Power is a real expense, along with building materials...
2012-06-04T20:15:48  <Catonic> there wasn't much of that building that they could reuse except the walls and roof. It was dangerous inside.
2012-06-04T20:16:32  <Catonic> frankly, it's not a good position for a tenant to be in... to plow in a few $K in materials to a place without security from eviction...
2012-06-04T20:16:59  <Catonic> insurance, internet, (physical) security, etc.
2012-06-04T20:17:21  <Catonic> liability insurance in case someone lops off a finger. "Hey, it hurts when I do this."
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2012-06-04T20:51:14  <Evilpig> NotLarry: you paying attention to this?
2012-06-04T21:03:44  <RangerZ> http://www.wowblues.com/eu/the-blizzard-launcher-must-be-in-same-folder-1829304434.html
2012-06-04T21:07:04  <NotLarry> http://i.imgur.com/RTW2g.png
2012-06-04T21:07:35  <NotLarry> attention to what?
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2012-06-04T23:45:01  <NotLarry> "You can find a lot of strange things on the internet, but this dead cat turned into a remote-control flying helicopter may be the strangest yet.
2012-06-04T23:45:09  <NotLarry> "
2012-06-04T23:45:13  <NotLarry> wow, really?
2012-06-04T23:45:28  <Evilpig> yeah I saw that earlier