2012-05-21T00:00:28 *** Dickie has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-05-21T00:01:19 *** cordless has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-05-21T00:01:24 *** cordless has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T00:03:52 *** Dickie has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T00:03:52 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Dickie 2012-05-21T00:17:05 *** RangerZ1 has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T00:18:39 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-05-21T01:59:28 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T02:01:11 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-05-21T03:56:15 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-05-21T03:56:41 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T04:01:24 *** Rockettmahn has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2012-05-21T05:28:59 *** sync350 has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T06:47:54 WTF?! 2012-05-21T06:48:08 http://youtu.be/jmCQyzkieIg "Your video settings could not be saved: Failed to change the license of this video. Videos with a third-party copyright claim cannot have a Creative Commons license." 2012-05-21T06:48:09 Title: Kick Asterisk, or Where Weve Come in a Year - YouTube (at youtu.be) 2012-05-21T06:48:45 How the hell can there be a third party copyright claim on a video that 1) I encoded 9 years ago 2) I just uploaded three hours ago 2012-05-21T07:08:56 Your video may include the following copyrighted content: 2012-05-21T07:08:57 "I'M TOO SEXY", musical composition administered by: 2012-05-21T07:09:07 The Harry Fox Agency, Inc. 2012-05-21T07:44:48 mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 2012-05-21T07:45:40 we aint gonna tolerate that kinda language in these here parts 2012-05-21T07:46:14 What parts? Your lady parts? 2012-05-21T07:46:40 I don't have no lady parts. :P I have some very tired parts though 2012-05-21T07:48:14 I took some ibuprofen and a muscle relaxer last night. That let me get some really good rest overnight. Legs are still tired, but nothing compared to yesterday. 2012-05-21T07:50:40 i'm not really hurting just sore and worn out 2012-05-21T07:51:00 I'm glad that youtube finally changed their policy to let anyone upload videos longer than 15min 2012-05-21T07:51:44 They needed to after dropping Google Video (or merging, whatever you want to call it) 2012-05-21T07:52:18 exactly. so i'm uploading stuff slowly and trying to properly tag them. 2012-05-21T07:52:39 old PN videos? 2012-05-21T07:52:51 the phreaknic admin account didn't have a youtube account even. since phreaknic was already taken... I went with phreaknicstaff 2012-05-21T07:52:54 yeah 2012-05-21T07:53:44 Any idea who registered the phreaknic account? 2012-05-21T07:53:56 a little black kid 2012-05-21T07:56:45 penny for your thoughts 2012-05-21T07:57:31 so I have a few 600dpi images, tiffs and BMPs I need to rescale to 100dpi. 2012-05-21T08:01:35 macro action with photoshop 2012-05-21T08:18:02 *** RangerZ1 has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T08:20:27 convert? 2012-05-21T08:20:35 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-05-21T08:24:25 sigh. the answer is mogrify. 2012-05-21T08:36:41 http://www.batushkas.com/web-design-tips/117-converting-images-with-imagemagick.html 2012-05-21T08:36:43 Title: Converting Images with ImageMagick (at www.batushkas.com) 2012-05-21T08:46:17 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T08:47:11 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-05-21T08:47:46 I totally see this being re-enacted by NotLarry... http://www.geekologie.com/2012/05/old-man-opens-a-beer-bottle-with-a-chain.php 2012-05-21T08:47:47 Title: Old Man Opening A Beer Bottle With A Chainsaw | Geekologie (at www.geekologie.com) 2012-05-21T09:00:13 wow, this is too good 2012-05-21T09:00:51 even at 72 dpi... 600 dpi 55MB BMPs become 72dpi 5.5MB BMPs.. 2012-05-21T09:01:13 still looks great until you try to shrink the file size using Acrobat... 2012-05-21T09:01:28 then it starts looking JPEGy... and for 3MB of savings. 2012-05-21T09:01:34 (18MB -> 15MB), 2012-05-21T09:06:05 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer) 2012-05-21T09:07:22 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T09:24:38 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-05-21T09:25:32 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T09:39:41 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-05-21T09:39:47 *** RangerZ has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T09:53:48 *** RangerZ1 has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T09:54:44 *** RangerZ1 has quit IRC (Client Quit) 2012-05-21T09:55:26 *** RangerZ has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) 2012-05-21T10:25:57 *** vaneck has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T11:04:45 Amazing that I managed to stay awake all through that last one. 2012-05-21T11:05:28 *** rangerz has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T11:07:51 Dolemite: How was Geeknic this weekend? 2012-05-21T11:08:16 There are many sore legs this morning, but it seems like all enjoyed it 2012-05-21T11:09:11 The hike proved just how sedentary we all are, but was totally worth it. 2.8 miles and ~600 feet of elevation change. 2012-05-21T11:09:23 Well, 600 up and 600 back down 2012-05-21T11:09:58 heh 2012-05-21T11:10:51 Of course, I spent all Saturday at someone's farm shooting, and all yesterday at the RenFare, so I think I got my fair share of excercise as well. 2012-05-21T11:11:01 Oh, and I actually have a tan now. 2012-05-21T11:15:00 I'm sorry, there must be some routing issue going on 2012-05-21T11:15:07 heh 2012-05-21T11:15:10 It added somebody else's text onto your nickname 2012-05-21T11:15:13 something about a tan 2012-05-21T11:15:27 don't worry, I still have the massive bags under my eyes. 2012-05-21T11:17:46 There were rumblings of wanting to repeat the adventure, so I'll make sure to let people know about any do-overs 2012-05-21T11:18:33 It was good timing, because the weather was awesome and Gatlinburg was still in the off-season 2012-05-21T11:27:16 cool 2012-05-21T11:27:54 Naienko and I are talking about needing to head out there for a weekend again. 2012-05-21T11:28:00 Want to strangle... 2012-05-21T11:28:44 Start watching halfoffdepot.com - they have a lot of deals for this area (since they're based in Knoxville) - everything from hotel rooms to ziplines. 2012-05-21T11:28:54 It's a shame if something happened to a few SDMs there would be fewer people to put up senseless objects and further slow down the process of actually fixing thingsw. 2012-05-21T11:29:03 s/objects/objections/ 2012-05-21T11:29:39 Dolemite: Something tells me I don't want to buy things on sale which keep me from rushing to the ground 2012-05-21T11:29:54 Dagmar : I was talking to oddball 2012-05-21T11:29:57 I'm sure for everything else it's great 2012-05-21T11:30:10 Just pointing out a possible flaw in the plan 2012-05-21T11:33:55 The prices of hotels in Gatlinburg are stupid cheap as is. 2012-05-21T11:34:35 The place we stayed this last weekend was really nice. Was next door to the aquarium, had good wifi coverage, and killer views from the balconies. 2012-05-21T11:35:11 I believe that's the place we've stayed the two times that we've gone. 2012-05-21T11:35:20 River Terrace 2012-05-21T11:35:44 The views from are rooms sucked since we were first or second floor and were on the garage side, but other that that... 2012-05-21T11:36:04 Oh, this hotel had all rooms facing the same direction 2012-05-21T11:36:36 You either viewed the river, or were high enough to look out over the top of all of the buildings in Gatlinburg 2012-05-21T11:37:01 You may have been in the Greystone Inn? 2012-05-21T11:37:30 Oh, no... we were on the otherside of the aquarium at the Greystone. 2012-05-21T11:38:45 hey 2012-05-21T11:38:50 it's nice to be able to park your car once and just walk wherever. 2012-05-21T11:38:54 aestetix: yo 2012-05-21T11:39:01 Anyone know offhand if there are significant differences between Ubuntu and redhat? 2012-05-21T11:39:19 That'd be a pretty big yes 2012-05-21T11:39:22 ugh 2012-05-21T11:39:34 ..yeah... 2012-05-21T11:39:50 What kinds of differences? Besides the package manager and such. 2012-05-21T11:39:51 Ubuntu is Debian based. 2012-05-21T11:40:06 I know ubuntu quite well, don't know redhat worth a shit 2012-05-21T11:40:06 In terms of support, you can buy commercial support for both 2012-05-21T11:40:30 I'm trying to figure out if it's worth the effort to have a database in RHEL, and a few webservers in ubuntu 2012-05-21T11:40:34 Oh, and Ubuntu now has that retarded Unity desktop by default. 2012-05-21T11:40:48 Reports are that Unity is much better in 12.04 2012-05-21T11:41:07 though I still use Kubuntu 2012-05-21T11:41:15 the thing that i hate is the mac OSX-like crap of the menu bar being at the top of the desktop, not the top of the window 2012-05-21T11:41:16 So, it no longer actively tries to poke my eyes out with a spork? 2012-05-21T11:41:42 I upgraded to 12.04 late yesterday, and from the 5 minutes I used it post-upgrade, I didn't notice any difference in Unity 2012-05-21T11:41:44 I'm more concerned with using them in a web application environment 2012-05-21T11:42:06 Dolemite: I badly want to upgrade my systems to 12.04 but rackspace doesn't support it yet :/ 2012-05-21T11:42:09 i honestly only run it in emulator now a days 2012-05-21T11:42:12 rangerz: I suspect someone's been so busy sniffing their own farts that they don't realize how many of us have at least five things on the desktop at all times 2012-05-21T11:42:18 well virtualbox 2012-05-21T11:42:22 My new firewall is running 12.04, though server edition 2012-05-21T11:42:59 and i'm still on 10.04 on that, b/c that is the dev. env. for my project 2012-05-21T11:43:26 Yeah, I'm still on 10.04 on my desktop, because upgrading is a PITA 2012-05-21T11:43:32 Stay there. 2012-05-21T11:43:37 sadly I still say the best desktop UI i have seen standard is pc-bsdd 2012-05-21T11:43:42 bsd* 2012-05-21T11:43:51 kde based, and very clean 2012-05-21T11:44:12 Hopefully they'll get over this morbid fascination with trying to force people to use Unity 2012-05-21T11:44:14 I've moved to Mint 2012-05-21T11:44:19 Yeah, KDE is clearly the better desktop environment 2012-05-21T11:44:25 Well, _now_. 2012-05-21T11:44:33 Ok. So for servers, and (for example) using RHEL for a mysql system and Ubuntu LTS for the webservers... any major issues I might run into? 2012-05-21T11:44:35 ...or at least, it's less fucking painful than Unity, which is saying somehting. 2012-05-21T11:44:46 Since I assume things like /var/log and /etc are mostly similar 2012-05-21T11:45:04 aestetix: Neither does anything particularly fancy with mysql or apache 2012-05-21T11:45:05 i have to say that kde's 'kate' is a really nice editor for coding when wanting to just see raw text, etc 2012-05-21T11:45:05 The way that the GTK API works is completely fucking retarded. 2012-05-21T11:45:16 Dagmar: that's what I thought 2012-05-21T11:45:35 It sounds like my uses are abstracted enough that I won't run into any major issues 2012-05-21T11:45:43 There are casts to (void *) all over the place, which completely negates the advantage of using types in the first place. 2012-05-21T11:45:52 aestetix: So far, I've been able to bullshit everyone at my current job that I'm a linux pro and they're using RedHat based systems... 2012-05-21T11:45:52 "abstracted". There's a nice word for it. 2012-05-21T11:46:03 hahaha 2012-05-21T11:46:35 oddball: Actually I think you might technically count as a unix pro 2012-05-21T11:46:40 er linux pro 2012-05-21T11:47:03 Or even a Linux guru 2012-05-21T11:47:34 I just get more and more disappointed with the state of what's considered acceptable these days 2012-05-21T11:47:52 If you know how to solve problems, and that's what makes this group distinctive, you're a guru. 2012-05-21T11:48:00 Compared to some of the guys around here, I think Mirage and I count as Elder Gods 2012-05-21T11:48:14 s/here/the office/ 2012-05-21T11:48:15 heh 2012-05-21T11:49:02 Yeah... I have this slight issue that I keep comparing myself to you guys and think "well, I know jack shit compared to..." 2012-05-21T11:49:10 "I don't know how to fix that just yet, but if you give me a minute, I'm sure we can figure out a solution." <--- Missing from many IT workers. 2012-05-21T11:49:21 Forgetting what level you assholes are at. :) 2012-05-21T11:49:51 "I don't know what's wrong just yet, but if you give me a minute, I'll find someone to blame." <--- typical IT worker 2012-05-21T11:50:00 heh 2012-05-21T11:50:59 Yeah, I feel that 2012-05-21T11:51:33 We have managers here whose primary functionality is virtually identical to the day-to-day existance of a doorstop. 2012-05-21T11:53:59 of course, I had a great exhange in a team meeting the other day: "[Oddball] is our resident Linux guru, right [oddball]?" "oh, yeah... I've been running linux on most of my machines at home for a number of years now, so..." "wait... most of your machines? How many do you have?" "oh... a few..." 2012-05-21T11:55:13 Heh. 2012-05-21T11:55:24 I wonder what Phil is going to have to say about Wilbur's DNS block 2012-05-21T11:55:41 oddball: at this point I just say "most of my machines" since I only have one at home 2012-05-21T11:55:52 but I have about a half dozen shell accounts scattered around the world 2012-05-21T11:56:27 I then mentioned that I have a windows machine, a mac mini and a linux box on my desk at the moment. 2012-05-21T11:58:15 One of the classic interview questions I've asked is "what have you done outside of work" 2012-05-21T11:58:34 I'd say over 50% of people who interview have not done anything outside of class or work 2012-05-21T12:01:38 Of course, one of the problems with that is that a lot of coders have to sign a thing at work saying that anything they produce period while under the employment of the company belongs to the company, not them. 2012-05-21T12:03:12 People need to be quicker to say "if you want my brain 24 hours a day, you get to *pay* for my brain 24 hours a day" 2012-05-21T12:04:57 heh, the FB stock price is already below IPO. That was faster than I expected. 2012-05-21T12:04:59 oddball: that is true 2012-05-21T12:05:12 Yeah, that's the sour grapes factor 2012-05-21T12:05:19 Zuckerburg fucked them good 2012-05-21T12:05:30 Yeah, the contractor I work for when I left the NOC tried to pull that on me after I was hired. We had a discussion about the fact that he wasn't even paying me to code to begin with. 2012-05-21T12:06:00 Has Zynga gone down with it 2012-05-21T12:06:19 Is Zynga public? 2012-05-21T12:06:23 Dagmar: one could argue that being on salary equates to 24 hours a day 2012-05-21T12:06:25 Dolemite: yes 2012-05-21T12:06:28 ZNGA I think 2012-05-21T12:06:45 aestetix: They can argue that all they like. 2012-05-21T12:07:05 Someone who wants the rights to *everything* I produce is going to pay dearly for it. 2012-05-21T12:07:23 aestetix: I don't think you can *legally* make that argument, but it's been a while since I've looked at that kind of stuff, and I'm not a lawyer. 2012-05-21T12:07:28 it's down, but less than 0.5% for Zynga. FB is down much more, 11.72%. 2012-05-21T12:07:35 I have had one and only one employer for whom that was a problem and it was onlhy a momentary problem. 2012-05-21T12:07:50 oddball: it doesn't have to be legal for someone to make it :p 2012-05-21T12:07:52 I made it clear that if they wanted to take that approach, their company's name would be in the next virus I released. 2012-05-21T12:08:21 You guys do realize that earlier in the week FB *significantly* raised the number of shares they were offering 2012-05-21T12:08:29 Yes 2012-05-21T12:08:33 Dagmar: how did that affect existing shares? 2012-05-21T12:08:35 Of course, I also learned that this guy tried to screw people of their vacation time if they were called up for jury duty, which is quite clearly illegal. 2012-05-21T12:08:47 Like, the employees who chose to hold onto their shares rather than cash out 2012-05-21T12:08:51 aestetix : There were no *PUBLIC* existing shares at the time 2012-05-21T12:09:02 aestetix: It made the number of shares being issued exceed the number of shares the big trading houses already had buy orders in for at $42 2012-05-21T12:09:14 Ahh. 2012-05-21T12:09:15 aestetix: more shares = less scarcity, which leads to lower value. 2012-05-21T12:09:16 ...meaning they couldn't basically snatch them all up and then sell them at a quick profit. 2012-05-21T12:09:21 oddball: well yes 2012-05-21T12:09:38 That's why it opened at $42, and all those buy orders filled up, and then it went down 2012-05-21T12:09:58 I'm pretty sure that was a deliberate "fuck you" from Mark 2012-05-21T12:10:29 It's still way overvalued at $33.75, so at some point the market will wake up and it'll plunge further 2012-05-21T12:10:57 Nah, I think they got the price about right 2012-05-21T12:11:45 $100B just seems like a crazy valuation 2012-05-21T12:12:00 Now we're seeing a bunch of watershed from people who want to get rid of the long-term stock that's supposed to be a long-term stock, so they can free up their capital for more quick-flip stocks 2012-05-21T12:12:41 Dolemite: The best part is, they don't even need the money 2012-05-21T12:13:21 You never know, they may need some quick cash to pay $5B for the next shitty picture app company that comes along 2012-05-21T12:14:33 Could be 2012-05-21T12:14:40 depends on how Mark feels about spending his money 2012-05-21T12:15:30 I suspect some of that was more about eliminating a potential competitor, not a good-faith estimate of the value. 2012-05-21T12:16:03 Instagram's purchase price was totally a number snatched out of the air 2012-05-21T12:16:28 Yep 2012-05-21T12:17:04 Well, it might have been an estimate of what the founders sunk into the company so far, plus a healthy profit margin. 2012-05-21T12:17:05 "How much do I need to offer them so that we can get out of here and I can get some margaritas at happy hour?" 2012-05-21T12:17:31 "How much do I need to pay you to go away?" 2012-05-21T12:19:12 That sounds like the US Government 2012-05-21T12:19:44 Do you know anybody who wouldn't go for a deal like that? 2012-05-21T12:19:59 There is not much I wouldn't do for $1billion 2012-05-21T12:20:01 From Instagram to Insta-retirement 2012-05-21T12:20:15 Maybe fellating grandpa falls into that category 2012-05-21T12:20:44 Although 1 billion is a lot of money... 2012-05-21T12:20:48 Would you suck every dick at FB for $1B? 2012-05-21T12:21:12 define "suck" 2012-05-21T12:21:29 to completion 2012-05-21T12:21:42 Do I have to swallow? 2012-05-21T12:22:19 Because yes, I am a whore, and we're just negotiating terms at this point. 2012-05-21T12:22:20 I don't think they care as long as you don't use teeth 2012-05-21T12:22:23 Also, are theu required to bathe first? 2012-05-21T12:22:50 Is the bede included 2012-05-21T12:23:34 aestetix: now that's good question. No doubt some of the coders are filthy hippies 2012-05-21T12:30:43 I would include a bathing service as part of the $1B 2012-05-21T13:26:22 * Catonic rubs aestetix's nipples hello 2012-05-21T13:37:57 lol. can't even troll y'all anymore. 2012-05-21T13:43:47 Corydon76-home: i don't think you needed the hippies part in your statement 2012-05-21T13:44:36 there aren't really many hippies left, if at all, but plenty of dirty druggies left, they just don't compare to real hippies from the 60s and 70s 2012-05-21T13:45:22 I mean .... look at Wilpig... His hair was brown before he bleached it from falling asleep in the sun so many times 2012-05-21T13:49:42 Well, the new NOC guy is smart enough to know that when I say "I deleted all the webservers" that he doesn't need to look at Nagios to know I'm bullshitting 2012-05-21T13:50:09 rangerz: Did you get that URL I posted yesterday? ...about the "not a soul in sight" 2012-05-21T13:50:16 no 2012-05-21T13:50:21 I'm not generally one for ginger-hate, but I thought it was hilarious 2012-05-21T13:50:37 http://imgur.com/gallery/iNlXf 2012-05-21T13:50:38 Title: Not a soul in sight - Imgur (at imgur.com) 2012-05-21T13:50:57 nice 2012-05-21T13:51:44 its is sad/funny that i could have a ginger kid 2012-05-21T13:51:53 b/c red heads run in the family 2012-05-21T13:52:10 and i'm already irish/english/dutch... I couldn't be whiter if I tried 2012-05-21T13:52:20 except my albino cousin... but that is just cheating 2012-05-21T13:53:20 Blech. Goody aspirin powders don't really have the same zing as BC aspirin powders. 2012-05-21T13:56:58 "lobo87 1 point : 5 days agoreportAs a man who loves gingers, I feel no ill will about premarital sex with them. If they have no soul, I won't go to hell. Hooray loop holes!" 2012-05-21T13:57:02 nice, lol 2012-05-21T14:25:25 Is lobo having sex with men or women? 2012-05-21T14:34:39 Catonic: you around? 2012-05-21T15:10:12 youtube's content scanner is really fucking annoying 2012-05-21T15:10:28 it won't post one of tom's drunken rants for an unknown copyright detection 2012-05-21T15:10:49 that's stupid 2012-05-21T15:10:54 it really is 2012-05-21T15:11:00 thank the MPAA/RIAA dicks 2012-05-21T15:11:04 i've deleted the file and attempting to reupload 2012-05-21T15:11:55 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmCQyzkieIg <-- i've disputed the copyright claim for i'm too sexy 2012-05-21T15:11:56 Title: Kick Asterisk, or Where Weve Come in a Year - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2012-05-21T15:13:29 it's 24 minutes in if you are curious 2012-05-21T15:46:17 *** rangerz has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-05-21T15:48:12 oddball: I am now 2012-05-21T15:50:09 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkgfG3hVTC8 there we go 2012-05-21T15:50:10 Title: Rant - Decius - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 2012-05-21T15:52:39 I need to chop the first 2.5 minutes off that and i'll eliminate that copyright claim 2012-05-21T15:52:52 Catonic: NotLarry was asking me about rounding up the Phreaknic shoot this year, and I was wondering if you knew if anyone besides you me and Rattle would be interested in making things go bang. 2012-05-21T15:53:12 shadow404 2012-05-21T15:53:21 he usually likes to make things go bang 2012-05-21T15:53:42 oddball: Rattle's from Jersey. He just likes to shoot a few rounds off without the neighborhood all crawlin with cops 2012-05-21T15:53:48 heh 2012-05-21T15:54:01 off the top of my head? Can't think of too many 2012-05-21T15:54:35 there's always the second thing which is... would I trust my safety to these people? 2012-05-21T15:54:50 heh, there's that. :) 2012-05-21T15:55:16 I think most of the contingent that likes guns followed . . . . 2012-05-21T15:55:34 yeah, I was thinking the same thing. 2012-05-21T15:55:43 Or kind of left in general. 2012-05-21T15:55:47 yaar 2012-05-21T15:55:57 it's "the knack", so to speak 2012-05-21T15:56:43 there's something about technical hobbies... the same sort of person that builds/buys a garage lathe or CNC machine is the same sort of person that will turn wrenches on cars, fly airplanes, take pictures with expensive cameras, get into ham radio, etc. 2012-05-21T15:58:34 oddball: yeah, when someone gets drunk and throws a chair off the roof of the hotel, you sort of thing to yourself... "With this sort of impulse control, do I want to be around this person?" 2012-05-21T15:59:18 Which is a truly shocking concept. 2012-05-21T16:00:04 but we've all had lapses in judgement from time to time. 2012-05-21T16:00:39 some of us just have them more often than others 2012-05-21T16:02:27 I've been asked if we wanted to move to an indoor range that might be closer, but is significantly more expensive and doesn't really allow rifles. 2012-05-21T16:02:48 like any range, the issue is manyfold. 2012-05-21T16:03:06 first, rifle & pistol, two, rush hour, and three, inspection. 2012-05-21T16:05:03 you don't like the inspection rules at the range we've been going to? 2012-05-21T16:05:04 I guess the big problem is that Nashville is pretty spread out, and we do things on Sunday. 2012-05-21T16:05:20 oddball: I just forget that they expect every gun to be unloaded in a case. 2012-05-21T16:05:30 I don't keep unloaded guns, except the rifle. 2012-05-21T16:05:32 ah 2012-05-21T16:05:45 I don't have enough cases for the guns. 2012-05-21T16:05:56 Catonic: that might be different this year. we'll know more tomorrow 2012-05-21T16:06:02 you have, what, 3 pistols? 2012-05-21T16:06:21 we've got an indoor rifle range here, but they don't let you shoot steel-core ammo, which is cheapest coming out of Eastern Bloc 2012-05-21T16:06:39 oddball: a few. Almost enough. 2012-05-21T16:07:08 Yeah, this place will let you shoot rifles, but only on designated lanes, and they inspect the lane before and after you use it, and inspect your ammo, and... 2012-05-21T16:07:25 http://www.ontargettn.com/ 2012-05-21T16:07:26 Title: Indoor Shooting Range Firearms & Concealed Carry Permit Classes - Murfreesboro, TN - On Target Indoor Gun Range (at www.ontargettn.com) 2012-05-21T16:07:36 At least one had no case, and more than one just shipped in cardboard. 2012-05-21T16:07:56 Ah, I got the impression that you brought all that you owned last year. 2012-05-21T16:08:08 goddamn media... 2012-05-21T16:08:18 Wilpig: yep, that's the place. 2012-05-21T16:08:23 oddball: no comment. 2012-05-21T16:08:41 heh, ok 2012-05-21T16:09:47 And I think a session I had with rattle and a couple other folks is a good part of why they now have all the restrictions. I asked them very specifically about my rifle and ammo twice, and they gave me the go ahead. 2012-05-21T16:09:59 8 hour class?! My god, TN is as bad as SC! 2012-05-21T16:10:29 I stopped due to feeling self-concious about throwing sparks when the rounds hit the back stop. 2012-05-21T16:10:54 BE AWARE: Murfreesboro city ordinance does NOT allow Centerfire Rifles and Shotguns to be fired on Sundays!!!! 2012-05-21T16:11:00 Catonic: Yep, 8 hour class. 4 hour classroom, 4 hour range time. 2012-05-21T16:11:09 ALL RIFLE AMMO WILL BE INSPECTED PRIOR TO USE. ONLY COMMERCIAL AMMO IN ORIGINAL BOXES WILL BE ALLOWED. MILITARY SURPLUS WILL NOT BE ALLOWED. *NO EXCEPTIONS* On Target reserves the right to monitor and prohibit the use of certain rifle ammunition. 2012-05-21T16:11:36 that is a dumb ordinance 2012-05-21T16:11:41 For a Mosin... you never do that. Milsurp for target practice. The good stuff... that's for dinner. ;) 2012-05-21T16:11:46 ... or dumbass. 2012-05-21T16:11:52 I'm suspicious about that ordinance. 2012-05-21T16:11:59 challenge it 2012-05-21T16:12:26 (as in that's the first I've heard of it's existence) 2012-05-21T16:12:31 we have state-wide pre-emption for our stuff... the laws have enough teeth, along with the constitution that such an ordinance would be illegal in the state of AL. 2012-05-21T16:13:05 I have to renew my license anyway.. 2012-05-21T16:13:07 Of course, isn't AL's carry permit something like "give us $25?" 2012-05-21T16:13:19 $1, unless a local law has been passed. 2012-05-21T16:13:50 son of a bitch, I forgot that On Target's site makes noise when you go to it. 2012-05-21T16:13:55 Jeffco is $7.50, Morgan is $20, Madison is $10 or $15 (license or permit, yes they print both), etc.. 2012-05-21T16:14:29 Yeah... our carry permit law didn't exist until the late 90's, so... 2012-05-21T16:14:48 Before that, the only way to legally carry was to be deputized. 2012-05-21T16:15:08 it's highly variable. We got a bill into the Senate and House this year... but they lined up on either sides of the political boundaries and filibusterd over them for political gain 2012-05-21T16:15:21 oddball: that would seem to be somewhat illegal in and of itself. 2012-05-21T16:15:34 that's another section of law I have yet to delve into... 2012-05-21T16:16:12 Does the state and federal government run concurrently, and by the process of ratification, do th ratifiers accept/condone/etc. the statements set forth? 2012-05-21T16:16:12 Right or wrong, that was the law. 2012-05-21T16:16:57 The federal constitution says that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. The states ratified that language. 2012-05-21T16:17:44 however, there's no clear distinction if the US Constitution is a document which assures those enumerate rights to the people over the state or not. 2012-05-21T16:18:33 Under AL laws, I can bag a gun and board and airplane. But the minute my ass pops up in NY or NJ, I'm breaking the law. 2012-05-21T16:18:53 dude, that's a whole 'nother bag of cats. 2012-05-21T16:19:55 If you haven't heard, there's been a couple fairly high profile cases dealing with where the 2nd ammendment applies and what exactly it means. 2012-05-21T16:21:00 yeah, our strongest case for open carry is also one that was decided improperly without citing to authority. 2012-05-21T16:21:03 Until just recently, you couldn't legally own a gun period in DC or Chicago. Now it's just merely a pain in the ass. 2012-05-21T16:21:53 basically, the state supreme court said that the legislature wouldn't pass an illegal law, and that Section 26 doesn't represent an absolute right... 2012-05-21T16:21:59 Actually, i'm not sure how Chicago has reacted to their loss in front of the Supreme Court. 2012-05-21T16:22:22 oddball: like a two year old? 2012-05-21T16:22:36 Well, yes... I could guess that much. 2012-05-21T16:23:13 But Chicago tried to argue that the ruling in the Heller case didn't affect anyone else because DC isn't in a state. 2012-05-21T16:25:19 But SCOTUS ruled that the 2nd ammendment (like the rest of the constitution) is binding over state and local law as well, but left plenty of "within reason" wriggle room. 2012-05-21T16:26:44 The constitution in declaring that, "Every citizen has the right to bear arms in defence of himself and the State," has neither expressly nor by implication, denied to the [**8] Legislature, the right to enact laws in regard to the manner in which arms shall be borne. 2012-05-21T16:27:04 The right guarantied to the citizen, is not to bear arms upon all occasions and in all places, but merely "in defence of himself and the State." 2012-05-21T16:27:06 ^ cox 2012-05-21T16:27:48 yeah, just researching "police power" is eye-opening. 2012-05-21T16:28:41 state laws and a law dictionary, google scholar and court cases... 2012-05-21T16:29:54 especially since "police" has been slowly turning into "para-military." 2012-05-21T16:30:24 amen. 2012-05-21T16:30:39 we've never had more police than we do now. we've never had crime lower. 2012-05-21T16:31:11 OTOH, a democrat going into office on the hope for change and a promise to "effect change" is sure to send anyone scrambling for guns... 2012-05-21T16:31:23 Catonic: That goes to show that more cops is best! 2012-05-21T16:31:28 Look at the data! 2012-05-21T16:31:55 that brought about the most recent group of gun owners, who are like "wait, this law is bullshit. it's the product of bad thinking. it's a war on an inanimate object!" 2012-05-21T16:32:13 Inanimate objects ruin families 2012-05-21T16:32:23 My penis ruin families. 2012-05-21T16:32:27 *ruins 2012-05-21T16:32:31 Hiyooooo 2012-05-21T16:32:47 I'm just sayin... 2012-05-21T16:33:02 Catonic: Especially when one of the changes he hopes to make is re-instituting the assault weapons ban and "other sensible gun laws." Fortunately, the Democrats in congression office have told him that they like their jobs too much. 2012-05-21T16:33:41 and the old gun laws that were inacted to stop black people from arming themselves. 2012-05-21T16:33:52 it makes little sense to say that you can buy a lathe and make anything you want but if you turn out parts and they form a tube that can propel an object stuffed into said tube with enough force to do some damage... then all your property are belong to us, and by us I mean US, which is to mean to say that it will be taken from you and sold at auction or melted down. 2012-05-21T16:33:58 oddball: amen. 2012-05-21T16:34:22 http://www.amazon.com/Freedmen-Fourteenth-Amendment-Right-1866-1876/dp/0275963314 2012-05-21T16:34:33 that book is one to read. It's the most boring tome on the subject 2012-05-21T16:34:55 Basically, in Mississippi, armed bands of men went around wearing Union uniforms taking guns from blacks. 2012-05-21T16:35:26 Then "the people" argued that black people weren't entitled to the rights of citizenship because they couldn't bear arms... 2012-05-21T16:35:48 Our laws are written the same racist way... It's befuddling. 2012-05-21T16:36:05 I had a friend arrested for openly carrying an AK-47 on July 4 a few years ago 2012-05-21T16:36:51 it wasn't until they got him to the car that they realized that he hadn't committed a crime... no license required to carry an unconcealed pistol in a public place, and no license required or any other limitation on rifle/shotgun carry. 2012-05-21T16:37:16 in the process, one of the cops took the key to his truck out of his pocket and searched the truck, finding another pistol. 2012-05-21T16:38:11 so they charged him with Disorderly Conduct. On cross-examination, both the arresting officer and his supervisor admitted that the accused hadn't done any of the six qualifying acts that make up the Disorderly Conduct statute 2012-05-21T16:38:41 the city's judge found him guilty anyway... he appealed. Wound up in Circuit Court. 2012-05-21T16:39:12 the city brought six officers, all the guns, and was ready to send him to jail... the judge pulled the ADA and defense attorney up and looks at the ADA... 2012-05-21T16:39:22 "You realize you don't have a case, right?" 2012-05-21T16:40:03 The city agreed to drop the charges if he agreed not to sue for civil rights violation: illegal search, and the illegal seizure of the third gun. 2012-05-21T16:40:31 That sounds typical 2012-05-21T16:40:49 so yeah.. spending a little time in these circles.. you realize... it will take a long time. But if you're right, you're right. 2012-05-21T16:42:21 it was a big bluffing game. 2012-05-21T16:44:13 The charges were bogus and would not hold up under scrutiny; I'd have refused and sic'd a lawyer on 'em. 2012-05-21T16:45:11 this was two years after the incident, almost three. 2012-05-21T16:46:34 meanwhile, no pistol license, none of the three guns, the threat of jail if arrested for ANY reason.... 2012-05-21T16:47:15 I 'spose. 2012-05-21T16:47:21 basically, if he'd done anything to find himself back in court with "defendant" next to his name, he'd be looking a jail until the court date. 2012-05-21T16:47:31 it took two years to get justice. 2012-05-21T17:22:39 *** timoguin has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) 2012-05-21T17:34:44 *** timoguin has joined #se2600 2012-05-21T17:44:55 Hmmm... there may be a new indoor range in Nashville that takes reservations by the time Phreaknic rolls around: www.nashvillearmory.com 2012-05-21T17:48:14 And they're damn near accross the street from a pre-existing gun shop. 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