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01:34 <@Catonic> Let's go smoke some pot. Let's go smoke some pot.
01:35 <@Catonic> Nice.
01:36 <@Catonic> I found out I'm the second person in my family to talk to a shuttle, and supported that shuttle during a Return To Flight...
01:36 <@Catonic> talk about a tense room.
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06:19 < MinecraftRelay> <wilpig> nice.  the dev for points and warp signs took my suggestion and made it to where
06:19 < MinecraftRelay> <wilpig> you can make warp signs using other people's warp points
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08:01  * Catonic pounds his head on the sharp sleep spike
08:25 <@timoguin> is there an easy way to average response times from a wireshark capture (pcap file)?
09:09 < ware> probably just boxing up your computer
09:09 < ware> and sending it back to Dell
09:15 <@timoguin> thx
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09:24 < ware> ah crap, he's really doin it
09:38 <@Catonic> easy? No. but the information is there.
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09:47 <@Catonic> easy? No. but the information is there.
09:47 <@Catonic> ~shit
09:47 < MxZBot-> i haven't a clue, Catonic
09:48 <@Catonic> ~forget shit
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11:40 < eryc> Evilpig: the pdf report still has your old logo
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11:49 < RangerZ> Dagmar: if you're on campus, go to the bridge that crosses the road 21st at edgehill, the religious groups are giving away free 4GB MP4 ipod knock offs
11:49 < RangerZ> but they include copyrighted music
11:49 < RangerZ> lol
11:50 < RangerZ> (and a video they made to protest the non-discrimination policy )
11:51 < RangerZ> might have to look into if they are paying for them/legally distributing the music, lol
11:56 <@Dagmar> I'm over at 3401 today but I'll pass that along to NotLarry
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12:54 < RangerZ> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2012/04/diablo-iii-beta-taken-down-temporarily-after-brief-starter-edition-leak.ars
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12:58 <@sasquatc4> heh, guess i now know why we had to fix so many damn bugs with hdcp, the whole time wondering how the hell directv had never hit any of these
12:59 < RangerZ> ok?
13:02 <@sasquatc4> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/04/copy-protection-means-some-directv-subs-will-need-new-gear-to-watch-hbo.ars
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13:17 < RangerZ> well thats screwy
13:17 < RangerZ> @the ars link
13:18 < RangerZ> that is the problem with DRM in general
13:35 <@sasquatc4> its also a headache for the people that have to implement it, since the majority of tvs out there are pieces of crap cheap ones from walmart, and those brands never ever bother to test with any other products or get certified
13:35 <@sasquatc4> so their crap is always out of spec and never works
13:35 <@sasquatc4> and then its not like it matters, since pirated material would never come from an hdmi or component capture to begin with, thats just retarded and way too much effort when there are ways that are 1000x easier than direct capture
13:36 < RangerZ> i had the guys at BestBuy tell me every TV had it
13:36 < RangerZ> and if i wanted to i could bring my laptop in to test it out
13:36 < RangerZ> i was like... you don't realize how it works do you....
13:37 <@opticron> they work at best buy for minimum wage or less, what do you expect them to actually know?
13:40 <@sasquatc4> i worked there in HS in the computer dept, like 12 years ago, apparently I was the first person ever to actually finish the intro booklet since I was the only one there who actually knew anything about computers working there
13:41 <@sasquatc4> just the amount of bs that spewed from them, hated that place
13:45 < RangerZ> yeah...
13:46 < RangerZ> but i was looking into a TV (first flat panel/hdtv...  late adopter for a techie...)
13:46 < RangerZ> so i went to see general retail prices, etc
14:01 <@Dagmar> Actually, direct capture is pretty fucking easy
14:18 <@Dagmar> I find it hilarious that they're disallowing HDMI now
14:19 <@Dagmar> ...or rather, that they're _requiring_ HDCP.  The message that appears is less than completely explanatory.
14:19 <@Dagmar> http://www.hdfury.com/products/hdfury-ii/ > HDCP
14:19 < GateKeeper> Title: HDfury.com HDFury II (at www.hdfury.com)
14:20 <@Dagmar> No bullshit, it strips that crap right out.
14:20 <@Dagmar> Another $200 card and you can just dump the output for between 1-4 HDMI inputs simultaneously.
14:25 <@Dagmar> What I find amusing is that what they're suggesting--use of a component video cable instead--is almost certainly going to wind up blocked as well.
14:32 <@sasquatc4> yea didnt say direct capture was hard, just that it was completely unnecessary when you can just copy the stream
14:35 <@Dagmar> Some of their other articles seem a little butthurt
14:35 <@Dagmar> particularly the one complaining about how horrible it is that Windows 8 will use HTML and CSS
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14:55 < MinecraftRelay> <Fawkes_42> hi
14:55 < MinecraftRelay> <kelmv134> Hello
14:55 <@brimstone> hi
14:59 <@Dagmar> Found a third sizable mooshroom island last night
14:59 <@Dagmar> Fucking game is STINGY about land
15:00 <@Sheath> are you playing on hardcore or what
15:01 <@Dagmar> No.  It just seems like the thing is real damn unwilling to put anything above sea-level past about 5km from spawn
15:06 <@Corydon76-home> RIP Dick Clark
15:07 <@Corydon76-home> In other news, the TN Senate just made holding hands in front of schoolchildren illegal.
15:08 <@Dagmar> Gonna have to go so that in public now
15:08 <@Dagmar> SOOO illicit
15:09 <@Corydon76-home> Specifically, they declared holding hands or kissing to be a gateway sexual activity
15:09 <@Dagmar> I bet I could talk some underaged girls into holding my hand pretty easily
15:11 < RangerZ> actually... take a camera with you (if you ~18 years old) to a mall... and you'd be surprised what you can get girls to do if you tell them you are rushing for a frat (but you can't tell them which one)
15:12 < MinecraftRelay> Death:  kelmv134! strafe the arrows! Strafe the arrows!
15:12 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: it's too bad that doesn't work on boys
15:13 < RangerZ> it would depening on the _girl_ asking
15:13 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Dude that is deep, deep into "Lying for favors" territory
15:14 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, true
15:14 <@Dagmar> Just because chick lie to get what they want doesn't mean I'm going to
15:14 <@Dagmar> s/chick/chicks/
15:14 <@Corydon76-home> I'll have to try that someday, when I haven't got more productive things to do with my time
15:15 < RangerZ> i wasn't lying, and i _was_ there with a univ. club... sorta...
15:16 <@Corydon76-home> The alumni association?
15:16 < RangerZ> it was the movie/anime club...
15:16 <@Corydon76-home> Heh
15:16 < MinecraftRelay> <kelmv134> there a command to return you to your point of death?
15:17 <@Dagmar> Provided pig put it back in, /deathtp
15:17 <@Corydon76-home> In the past couple weeks, I made another life milestone.  Now, I'm counseling kids a third of my age, instead of only half of my age.
15:18 < MinecraftRelay> <kelmv134> Yeah, that command isn't working
15:18 <@Dagmar> If any of them happen to be girls who are of age and you've detemined they're unfixable, I'll do what I can to help them.
15:18 <@Dagmar> ;)
15:18 <@Corydon76-home> of age?  How old do you think I am?
15:19 <@Corydon76-home> Only the ones who are half my age are close to being of age.
15:19 <@Dagmar> DUnno, don't care
15:20 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: you must only be 24 by your pictures
15:20 < RangerZ> (very safe answer... since girls would like it, and guys wouldn't care either way)
15:20 <@Corydon76-home> lol
15:21 <@Corydon76-home> I turn 36 in 2 weeks
15:21 <@Corydon76-home> The kid I was helping last night admitted in pm that he lied about his age.  He's only 11.
15:22 <@Dagmar> Well, I haven't really ever heard of anyone being prosecuted for counseling the underaged
15:22 <@Dagmar> heh
15:22 <@Dagmar> I doubt you're in any big trouble there
15:22 < MinecraftRelay> Death:  kelmv134 had a skeleton in the closet...
15:22 <@Corydon76-home> Outed when his mother found romantic texts to another male teenager on his phone
15:23 < RangerZ> was it a (gay/or normal) counciling chat room or something?
15:24 <@Corydon76-home> Gay support chat room, yes
15:24 < RangerZ> i'm surprised someone at 11 even knew
15:25 <@Corydon76-home> Well, he's in Seattle, so pretty liberal community to start
15:25 < RangerZ> my cousin didn't know until after HS graduation.... despite _everyone_ else knowing
15:25 <@Dagmar> lol
15:25 <@Corydon76-home> He went to gay pride 2 years ago on his own
15:25 <@Dagmar> There were a few guys in my high school like that
15:25 < RangerZ> who ever met him... saw him walking across the street... or hear his voice
15:26 <@Dagmar> SOmething like seven years after high school, one of my best buds from then runs into me and we have lunch... he thought it was going to be a suprise that he was gay
15:26 <@Corydon76-home> One of Teryl's female cousins is like that... Wins shooting competitions... Referred to as a boy at the awards ceremony... Didn't correct the judge.
15:27 <@Corydon76-home> I think she's somewhere around age 10 now
15:27 <@Corydon76-home> Her brother, otoh... yeah, we can tell.
15:29 < RangerZ> apparently only him and his mother didn't know
15:30 < RangerZ> she called my mom all surprised "he's gay... he's gay"... mom is like... "well it doesn't matter who...but who are you talking about"
15:30 < RangerZ> his mother said his name and my mom was like... "well duh"
15:31 <@Corydon76-home> I have a gay youth group that I work with, if you know any others that might be interested in the Nashville area.
15:31 <@Corydon76-home> This evening, in fact.
15:31 < RangerZ> nah
15:32 < RangerZ> i'm from Ohio, and i don't care if he's helped or not (my cousin)
15:32 < RangerZ> he is a waste of O2 , but for reasons other than being gay, lol
15:33 <@Corydon76-home> Ah, well.  I think that most of them who are considered wastes are because they haven't found their passion yet.
15:34 <@Corydon76-home> Drifting along in life, so to speak
15:34 <@Dagmar> I just thought it was funny that the dude would catch hell for being gay, and was telling everyone he was straight
15:34 <@Dagmar> He apparently really believed he was straight
15:34 <@Dagmar> ...or was trying really hard.
15:35 <@Corydon76-home> Unfortunately, there are organizations out there who do incredible harm to people who try really hard.
15:36 <@Dagmar> Yeah, in this way it's lucky his parents were really poor
15:36 <@Corydon76-home> I know a guy who literally cannot ever come into close contact with another person, now, because he's reminded of the electric shocks of aversion therapy.
15:36 <@Dagmar> I never called him on the falsehood I thought he was telling because a) i didn't care and b) I was more than willing to back him up on that fiction because he didn't deserve the shit those hillbillies were putitng him through
15:37 <@Dagmar> ...but I was definitely like... "Wait... You *really* didn't know you were gay, Dean?"
15:39 <@Dagmar> It's that someone can actually be confused about that for that long that makes me sure there should be counseling for those who feel they need it
15:40 <@Corydon76-home> What's really needed is for their churches to stop preaching hate, but like that's going to happen...
15:41 <@Corydon76-home> It's child abuse in any other situation, but because of "religious freedom", it's allowed there.
15:41 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: i dunno
15:42 <@Dagmar> As long as they continue to preach hate, I'll preach violence.
15:42 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure I'm better at both, so fuck 'em
15:42 < RangerZ> it is really sad... the Catholic church is having a lot of internal debates about allowing female preists, allowing them to marry, and even gays in the chruch
15:42 < RangerZ> b/c there used to be 2 of the 3
15:43 < RangerZ> until about 1,000 CE
15:43 <@Dagmar> BUllshit
15:43 <@Dagmar> There's no gay clergy anywhere
15:43 <@Dagmar> That's just a myth
15:43 <@Dagmar> Especially not any Catholic priests
15:43 < RangerZ> obviously i meant married priests, and women priests
15:44 <@Corydon76-home> and gays allowed to receive sacrament
15:44 < RangerZ> but the women stopped after the first council of nicea
15:44 <@Dagmar> Ah
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15:44 < RangerZ> i think gays are now
15:44 < RangerZ> aren't they?
15:44 <@Corydon76-home> I understand not allowing married priests, but that's easily solved by saying that only the higher-up positions cannot be married
15:45 < RangerZ> it used to be a financial issue
15:45 < RangerZ> b/c when they were super poor, some priests would use donations for their families
15:45 <@Corydon76-home> Depends upon the bishop.  Officially, gays aren't supposed to receive sacrament anywhere
15:45 < RangerZ> and the church decided they didn't want that
15:46 < RangerZ> the problem with the catholic church is the african sect, they are having _way_ too much inflence on the church as a whole
15:46 <@Corydon76-home> The church also wanted any possessions when the priest died to flow back to the church, not to the priest's kids
15:46 < RangerZ> if it wasn't for them we'd have condoned condom use, and a few other things easily
15:46 <@Corydon76-home> I thought the Africans were pressing for condom use, due to the AIDS epidemic
15:47 < RangerZ> but the church is afraid of losing out to the evangelicals/muslims there so they hold onto the hardline stances
15:47 <@Corydon76-home> and it was the stodgy Europeans who were against it
15:47 < RangerZ> nah
15:47 < RangerZ> other way around
15:47 < RangerZ> the africans are _way_ more conservative
15:48 <@Corydon76-home> I know they are on the gay issue, but I thought the other way on condoms
15:48 < RangerZ> nope
15:48 < RangerZ> the one catholic bishop was saying condoms CAUSE aids
15:48 < RangerZ> to scare people into not using them
15:48 < RangerZ> personally he needs to be shot... but ehh
15:49 < RangerZ> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7014335.stm *source*
15:49 < GateKeeper> Title: BBC NEWS | Africa | Shock at archbishop condom claim (at news.bbc.co.uk)
15:50 < RangerZ> mind you... that was just one bishop... in one country, but from my understanding that is pretty much how the continent as a whole is
15:52 <@Corydon76-home> This is why blatant lies to the public ought to be illegal.  I understand free speech, but blatant lying like that is a public health risk.
15:53 < RangerZ> unfortunately afganistan isn't the only tribal region left on the planet
15:54 < RangerZ> other than King Peggy (yes her official title), i haven't heard of many great leaders out of africa lately (sadly)
15:54 < RangerZ> although... i did find it amusing the former finance minster out of nigera was running for the head of the world bank...
15:55 < RangerZ> apparently he is a very well qualified person, and highly regarded, but the jokes... god the jokes... they write themselves
17:01 <@Dagmar> heheheheh
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17:19 <@Bahhumbug> Was it Nigeria that had an inflation rate of 3479853947853298749328749873246982374693465% or something equally nuts?
17:21 <@Bahhumbug> Nope, Zimbabwe.  231 million precent.
17:21 <@Bahhumbug> at least as of '09.
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17:32 < RangerZ> http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597507018/pebble-e-paper-watch-for-iphone-and-android
17:32 < GateKeeper> Title: Pebble: E-Paper Watch for iPhone and Android by Pebble Technology Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
17:32 < RangerZ> now _that_ is a kickstarter account
17:33 < RangerZ> and looks to be a cool watch
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17:43 < RangerZ> actually... holy shit... could you imagine the cheating possibilities...
18:07 < eryc> who wears a watch anymore
18:07 < eryc> lam
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19:24 < RangerZ> ohh thats rich...
19:24 < RangerZ> just got an email from MS about the xbox live
19:25 < RangerZ> saying comcast now supports unlimited HBO and streaming to the device.... (but what about the GB that would eat up each month...)
19:34 <@Evilpig> eryc: yeah that was dolemite's doing.  he was supposed to fix that.  i'll fix it in the sql file now
19:36 <@Evilpig> actually make that i'll fix it later tonight.  I need to fire up my dev vm
20:08 < eryc> the buttons are sexy
20:08 < RangerZ> Corydon76-home: just thought you might find it interesting that some of the biggest funders of pro-gay marriage legislation is actually conservatives (and not funding it to get-out-the-vote of conservatives, but that they want it passed NY/NYC is an example of that, and they are funding it other places around the nation)
20:08 < eryc> Evilpig: i suggest cleaning up the forms with some sexy css to match the buttons
20:09 < eryc> they are quite boxy and lack pop
20:09 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Actually, there's some companies asking pointed questions about how that constitutes "neutrality"
20:09 <@Dagmar> That service is _exempt_ from the bandwidth caps.
20:09 < eryc> who said anyone had to be neutral
20:10 < eryc> companies are free to enter any agreements they wish
20:11 < RangerZ> Dagmar: ahh, i had only read parts of that, and was wondering
20:12 <@Evilpig> I thought about that.  but had way more code issues to worry about at the time rather than the looks.  I got onto dolemite last night about cleaning up his code to stop the error flood that happens whenever you run a report
20:13 <@Evilpig> i'll be back later.  heading out to get a little dinner
20:13 < eryc> cool
20:13 < eryc> after you get it pretty i'll port it to django or rails
20:15 < RangerZ> so for c++ gui, is QT and GTK still the only good and/or cross platform solutions?
20:18 <@Dagmar> Well, unless you like swing.
20:18 <@Dagmar> Muahahaha
20:18 < eryc> there's that wxwidgets thing
20:19 < RangerZ> actually i don't mind swing
20:19 <@Dagmar> Jesus no don't use wxWidgets
20:20 < RangerZ> i just want to make a simple editor, to hone up on my skills
20:20 <@Dagmar> All you do with that is apply _another_ layer of overhead because it ties into GTK or Qt
20:20 <@Dagmar> ...or windows widgets.
20:21 < RangerZ> yeah i want to avoid as much windows only code as possible
20:21 <@Dagmar> Yeah so your reasonable options are C, C++, and Java then
20:22 < RangerZ> yeah, i wanted semi-speedy so c++
20:22 < RangerZ> so as far as i know...qt and gtk are the only options worth even thinking about
20:23 < RangerZ> b/c java itself is pretty fast now, but has too much negative ideas against it
20:23 < RangerZ> so i need to practice my c++ more
20:24 < eryc> native windows widgets are pretty ideal
20:24 < eryc> wxwidgets works on mac too
20:24 < eryc> the extra layer isn't going to matter with c code
20:26 < eryc> http://www.wxwidgets.org/docs/tutorials/hello.htm
20:26 < GateKeeper> Title: Hello World - wxWidgets (at www.wxwidgets.org)
20:27 <@Dagmar> Their widgets are still ugly and slow
20:28 < eryc> as opposed to gtk on win or mac?
20:29 < eryc> gtk is aweful
20:30 < eryc> audacity uses wx
20:30 <@Dagmar> Yeah, that's why I'm used to those widgets being slow.
20:30 <@Dagmar> No such issues with Gimp32
20:30 < eryc> yea gimp is fine
20:31 < eryc> alright use gtk then
20:31 < eryc> BUT NEVER USE QT
20:56 <@am1n0> how about the x toolkit
20:56 <@am1n0> and cygwin
21:08 <@am1n0> anyone?
21:08 <@am1n0> if it worked for xscreensaver
21:08 <@am1n0> damnit it works for e
21:08 <@am1n0> +m
21:10 < eryc> xscreensaver hasn't aged well
21:11 <@am1n0> well what about xlock
21:11 <@Sheath> i use x
21:11 <@am1n0> xlock *more*
21:11 <@Sheath> mmmm xcock
21:11 <@Sheath> its like xeyes cept the dick looks at you everywhere
21:11 <@am1n0> lol
21:22 < RangerZ> eryc: why you not like QT?
21:37 <@Evilpig> I really feel uncomfortable with the idea of a cock that follows me everywhere
22:22 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Soo... Umm...
22:22 <@Dagmar> You have that thing showing up for Diablo III in your battle.net right?
22:23 < RangerZ> Dagmar: what you talking about?
22:23 <@Dagmar> I might have been misinformed about what that meant in the web interface
22:24 <@Dagmar> Apparently, that means you can play the damn thing
22:24 <@Dagmar> Sooo... downloading
22:24 < RangerZ> ahh
22:24 < RangerZ> yeah if you have the client available to for download... you are in the beta
22:28 -!- RangerZ [~mwalker@c-98-211-44-193.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
22:43 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: yeah
22:43 <@Evilpig> I have it downloaded but it won't instlal
22:43 <@Dagmar> 41m remaining
22:43 <@Dagmar> I'm going to find out if I was misinformed this afternoon or what
22:44 <@Evilpig> call that person a moron and a fuckwad
22:44 <@Evilpig> sec i'll have you a screenshot in 10 sec
22:44 <@Dagmar> WEll, I was hearing that some of the servers were being fixed today
22:45 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/d3-installer.png
22:46 <@Evilpig> here is the note on my account for d3
22:46 <@Evilpig> Thank you for pre-purchasing Diablo III. You can pre-download the game client below. You will be able to play on Diablo III launch day.
22:54 <@Dagmar> Okay, so Rangerz is defintely incorrect
22:54 <@Dagmar> http://www.reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/r37gr/d3_digital_predownload_bypassing_the_downloader/
22:54 < GateKeeper> Title: D3 digital pre-download - bypassing the downloader using Manual links. : Diablo (at www.reddit.com)
22:55 <@Dagmar> Skip down to "If it's worked ..."
22:55 <@Dagmar> Well, the downloader is at least working great now.  :)
23:04 <@Evilpig> MaxieZ_: ping
23:23 <@Dagmar> Fierce warrior -> http://reveal.diablo3.com/en_US/mark_of_valor/#!/gallery/most_liked/13442
23:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Diablo III (at reveal.diablo3.com)
23:23 <@Evilpig> heh
23:59 <@Dagmar> Okay.  This is fuckin' ridiculous
23:59 <@Dagmar> Gonna have to harass Mojang about fixing this terrain generator
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