--- Log opened Mon Apr 02 00:00:11 2012
00:05 <@Catonic> i hate speed step with the fire of a thousand suns
00:10 <@Bahhumbug> that's a lot of hate
01:17 <@Dagmar> No, the hate will happen on Monday morning.
01:18 <@Dagmar> ...as managers have to confront a mess.  Heh
01:18 <@Evilpig> what mess now?
01:19 <@Dagmar> Replication.
01:20 <@Evilpig> didnt' you just "fix" that?
01:20 <@Dagmar> If they just let me do throw the thing on, it's going to take me _many hours_
01:20 <@Dagmar> I have the code.  Working.  I have to go back and change some system() calls back to a more proper array-fed format, but that's working.
01:21 <@Dagmar> What I *dread* is what's going to happen when all the places where this thing was messing up before suddenly start working like they're supposed to
01:21 <@Evilpig> all I wanna know is if your new method is going to handle files being deleted properly
01:21 <@Dagmar> Basically, I'm rather hoping someone will be paranoid enough to make _certain_ Jeff is ready to roll back the entire environment
01:22 <@Dagmar> Oh no they'll never go away in bidirectional mode.
01:22 <@Dagmar> That's not even possible.
01:22 <@Dagmar> Not with rsync.
01:22 <@Dagmar> It's *maybe* doable with unison as a replacement.
03:03 <@Catonic> guten tag
03:04 <@Catonic> the thought suddenly occurs to me: replication is not a substitute for backups
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05:24 <@Catonic> good morning se2600
05:29 <@Evilpig> i'm prepared to debate good, but i'll agree on morning
06:06 < scribbles> morning
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08:27  * Catonic smashes everything with a large hammer
09:32 <@brimstone> I'm downright amazed at what I can destroy with just a hammer.
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11:32 <@Catonic> still morning. *grumbles*
11:37  * ware slaps Catonic on the ass
11:37 < ware> m0rnin sunshine
11:38 < ware> are you still grumpy with me or can we talk radio
11:38 < ware> or am i on the ignore list :P
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11:47 <@Corydon76-home> ware:  at least you aren't skiboy
11:48 <@Corydon76-home> bbl, gotta take the child to work
11:48 <@Sheath> mmmm skiboy
11:48 <@Sheath> i cant wait to break him in
11:50 < ware> hes on my ignore list lol
11:50 < ware> so is that Sheath kid
11:50 < ware> ;)
11:51 <@Sheath> :3
11:51 <@Corydon76-home> Yeah, but Sheath's a bottom.  Your ass is safe around him, ware.
11:51 < ware> i keed
11:51 <@Sheath> mmm ass'
12:13 <@NotLarry> I need a quick sed fix
12:14 <@NotLarry> I got a log file with a list of data, and each list is seperated by a generic date (*from echo `date`).  I need to change those to date +%Y%d%m%H%M%S
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12:17 <@Dickie> Hi.
12:17 <@Dickie> I'm Dickie!
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12:44 <@brimstone> NotLarry: drag the date back into date -d to convert it
12:45 < rangerz> brimstone: That was a _really_ interesting statement to come back to
12:45 < rangerz> "drag the date back into the ....." i was like...wtf....
12:46 < rangerz> then:....OHHH... nvm...
12:46 <@brimstone> see, the secret to good programming is for it to sound like a murder up till the last line
13:47 <@Catonic> ware: largely depends on whether you can act like a regular person, and less like a troll.
13:55 < ware> WELL IN THAT CASE!
13:55 < ware> i got a ft1900r on the way for my car
13:55 < ware> but i was curious if you had a radio in mind for home base HF
13:55 < ware> my friend has an ic-7000 which is pretty slick
13:56 < ware> usb interface with software on his pc to do whatever with
13:56 < ware> but its more advanced than i need at the moment, but i may get into that heavy as i learn
13:56 < ware> any suggestions
13:56 < MaxieZ> NotLarry: sed 's/date/date +%Y%d%m%H%M%S/' ?
14:02 < MaxieZ> http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-upholds-jail-strip-searches--even-for-minor-offenses/2012/04/02/gIQAsZB4qS_story.html?tid=pm_pop
14:02 < GateKeeper> Title: Supreme Court upholds jail strip searches even for minor offenses - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com)
14:02 < MaxieZ> ~minilink
14:02 < MxZBot> No response.
14:03 <@brimstone> how long before we just kill people for any little rule they break?
14:03 < MaxieZ> MxZBot: You just got showed up
14:03 < MxZBot> MaxieZ: no se
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14:04 < MaxieZ> Damn that's my fault
14:04 < MaxieZ> I rewrote the backend and forgot to tell the bot.
14:04 <@Catonic> ~Catonic
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14:04 <@Catonic> ~Catonic
14:04 < MxZBot> you are not a pimp
14:04 <@Catonic> MxZBot: forget Catonic
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14:04 <@Catonic> ware: you got a license?
14:05 < ware> kk4hee
14:05 <@Catonic> vanity?
14:05 < ware> not yet, waiting to get extra
14:05 < ware> it'll be a prize
14:05 <@Catonic> omg
14:05 <@Catonic> that's just a "ware" call... perfect for you...
14:05 <@Catonic> mainly 'cause you troll...
14:05 < ware> whatchu mean
14:05 <@Catonic> or at least you did when I was still paying attention.
14:05 <@Catonic> Congrats.
14:06 <@Catonic> But you want to keep that callsign.
14:06 <@Catonic> it's pretty short in morse...
14:06 < ware> yeah ihavent done any cw
14:06 <@Catonic> -.- -.- ....- .... . .
14:06 < ware> and the "ee" hasnt been as hard to ID with as i first thought
14:06 < ware> neat
14:07 <@Catonic> yeah, Es and Is make for great short callsigns
14:07 <@Catonic> I'd keep the callsign.
14:07 < ware> werd
14:07 <@Catonic> you just have to come up with something to go with "HEE"
14:07 <@Catonic> "Here's Everyone's Echo!"
14:07 < ware> ahhh
14:08 <@Corydon76-home> Maybe he can scrounge around and get W4RE
14:08 <@Catonic> taken.
14:08 <@Catonic> wa4e is too
14:08 <@Corydon76-home> Taken until the guy dies,
14:08 <@Catonic> wa4re is available
14:09 < ware> that'd be neat
14:09 <@Corydon76-home> How long after a person passes does the callsign become available?
14:09 < ware> but i still need a HF radio :P
14:09 <@Catonic> two years.
14:09 <@Catonic> one of the best hams I met kicked off and the family is being slow about picking up the callsign.
14:09 <@Corydon76-home> ware: and a tower on which to put the antenna
14:10 <@Catonic> also, if you're the trustee of a club, you can get that on your license plate as long as the addresses match
14:10 <@Catonic> pushup pole, or inflatable tower...
14:10 <@Catonic> I've been in a completely different world... the radios I play with have to be hexedited... =D
14:10 <@Corydon76-home> Just remember to use helium, not hydrogen... sparks suck
14:11 < ware> odear
14:11 <@Catonic> http://www.ltaprojects.com/lta-towers/51-air-inflatable-towers.html
14:11 < ware> we threw up a 40ft mast this weekend
14:11 < GateKeeper> Title: AIR INFLATABLE TOWERS (at www.ltaprojects.com)
14:11 <@Corydon76-home> ware: have you attended a TABEL launch yet?
14:11 < ware> neg
14:12 <@Corydon76-home> If you have the time when they're doing a launch, go.
14:12 < ware> Catonic: i dont have much room for guys on a tower @ the house
14:12 < ware> i just built a jpole this weekend and it seems to be working well
14:12 <@Catonic> I'd be willing to do a talk about my radios, but I'm not doing it on film and won't permit recording it.
14:12 < ware> 1:1.5
14:12 <@Corydon76-home> There's lots of calculations and equipment that goes into a TABEL launch
14:12 <@Catonic> ware: two antennas... a 108" whip, and a 5/8ths 2m over a ground plane...
14:13 <@Corydon76-home> and they use hydrogen gas, which means you have to be grounded during inflation
14:13 < ware> Catonic: http://goo.gl/JfNtM
14:13 <@Corydon76-home> hydrogen has twice the lift as helium, which is why they use it
14:13 <@Catonic> the 108" whip will tune on 160, 80, 40, 20, 10. The 5/8ths is a 1/4-wave on 6m, 5/8ths on 2m. Then just add 440...
14:13 <@Catonic> ~minilink
14:13 < MxZBot> https://maxiez.com/r/134rQXhkK9
14:13 < GateKeeper> Title: MaxieZ's Page (at maxiez.com)
14:14 < ware> 4 10ft sections of 3" PVC conduit
14:14 <@Catonic> Looks good. Works as a good radome too.
14:14 <@Catonic> Only lasts about 5-15 years though.
14:15 < ware> thats at the guys house with the ic-7000
14:15 <@Catonic> if you're not near power poles, a weather ballon is cheap... you just have to have a reliable way to bring it to the ground during storms, and a way to bleed the static off.
14:15 < ware> hes just got a wire dipole  on it
14:15 < ware> hrmp
14:16 <@Catonic> vertical antennas over a ground plane (radials) works very well for HF, but if you have local sources of noise it's not good.
14:17 <@Catonic> we bought two Kenwood TS-2000BXs, and a 600W no-tune amp.
14:17 <@Catonic> and a G-5500 rotor.
14:17 < ware> ideally, if it'd work, id want to setup something at the peak of the roof with a V plate and then guy it off to other parts of the roof
14:17 < ware> maybe go up 15 ft or something
14:17 < ware> but i dunno how good or right that setup would be
14:18 < ware> ideally have everything on the roof and not off into the grass
14:18 < ware> but his dipole is loooong
14:18 < ware> (thats what she said)
14:18 < ware> and i dont think id be able to fit something liek that on the roof
14:18 < ware> but your saying a 9ft will work?
14:18 < ware> youre*
14:19 <@Catonic> no... unforch it won't.
14:19 <@Catonic> you might be able to use a magnetic loop to save space, but height and length rule HF.
14:20 < ware> hrrmpp
14:20 < ware> have to see what the gf says about wires hanging off the roof lol
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14:21 <@Catonic> balloon, winch.
14:21 <@Catonic> you don't want wires where people can reach them.
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14:21 <@Catonic> 100W is 70.7VAC on the wire... higher if you have an SWR above 1:1.
14:22 < ware> well with a balloon setup id still have to anchor off the dipole ends right?
14:22 <@Dagmar> MOAR UPDATES YESSSSS
14:22 <@Dagmar> Maybe ICS 4.0.4 will fix the evil clock's night mode
14:22 < ware> i dont think id want to mess with that tho
14:22 <@Catonic> with higher SWRs, higher impedances, you can wind up approaching breakdown voltages easier.
14:22 <@Catonic> ICS?
14:22 < ware> ice cream sammich
14:22 < ware> my xoom still aint got the update
14:22 <@Dagmar> Ice Cream Sammich
14:22 <@Catonic> O_o
14:23 <@Dagmar> Also the damn thing locks all the time
14:23 < ware> latest android revision
14:23 <@Dagmar> LIke there's a checkbox to tell it "Do not sleep when in the cradle" and it KNOWS when you drop it into the cradle, even if the thing isn't powered.
14:23 <@Dagmar> ...yet it will merrily go to sleep in the cradle.
14:23 <@Catonic> ware: you'd anchor the radials around the base, and the antenna itself... the antenna would be made up of one half above the ground and the other half at the ground
14:24 <@Dagmar> I would really like it if the default Android clock app does night mode correctly.
14:24 <@Catonic> the above ground part is from the feedpoint/balun to the balloon. The other part is from the balun to the ground.
14:24 <@Dagmar> There's an app in the appstore called (*duh*) "Night Clock" which makes the display so dark you can't tell it's on if you're in a lit room.
14:25 <@Dagmar> It is just about perfect if you get Bat Vision at night like I do while you're asleep
14:25 < ware> these air towers are pretty sweet
14:25 <@Dagmar> The default clock does not correctly tell the display to dim all the way down.
14:25 <@Catonic> http://www.qsl.net/g4vgo/balloon_antennas.htm
14:25 <@Dagmar> I gotta give 'em points for making it just toggle into night mode if you poke at empty space on the screen while it's running tho'.
14:29 < ware> Catonic: you know anything about http://www.buddipole.com/
14:29 < GateKeeper> Title: The Buddipole™ - HFportable dipole antenna system (at www.buddipole.com)
14:33 < ware> may just have my friend come over and see how much room i got and what i throw up there
14:38 <@Dagmar> Half the fun goes right out of it when you're actually *allowed* to use the antenna legally.
14:40 <@Dagmar> Wake me when they sell canvas covers advertising fresh vegetables for sale five miles ahead.
14:41 < ware> lol
14:42 <@Dagmar> People see homeless being turned into popups.
14:43 <@Dagmar> I see pirate broadcasters swinging their antenna around and casually making it incredibly problematic to nail down their location.
14:44 <@Dagmar> I also see an office in the building across the street with *entirely* too many monitors up to be doing anything legitmate
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15:28 <@Catonic> ware: buddipole is just a single band antenna... use one for the antenna, use a second as a counterpoise...
15:28 <@Catonic> just electrically shortened versions... like rubber duck antennae
15:29 < ware> well i dun want that then
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15:32 <@Catonic> ware: all HF antennas are a compromise.
15:33 <@Catonic> http://amfone.net/Amforum/index.php?topic=18482.0
15:33 <@Catonic> ^ except this. This is not a compromise.
15:33 <@Catonic> http://www.radioarcala.com/nbspStation/TowersandAntennas/Tower7/tabid/358/Default.aspx
15:33 < GateKeeper> Title: Tower 7 (at www.radioarcala.com)
15:33 <@Catonic> ^ without the crap & myspacey
15:42 <@NotLarry> ok, I really like this ad - http://i.imgur.com/5XQC3.jpg
15:44 <@Catonic> which end of the box did they open?
15:45 < ware> ha yeah that'd be sweet
15:46 <@NotLarry> damn, nice tower
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16:01 <@Catonic> Dee's Dawgs is opening a second location.
16:01 <@Catonic> Please look for Dee's Nuts on a street corner near you.
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16:37 <@CNwaV> Skipples
16:49 <@NotLarry> ok, months of surfing reddit have paid off - "If God wanted us to use the Metric System there would have been ten disciples."
16:49 <@Bahhumbug> hahaha
17:16 <@CNwaV> Yay, then we could have a megadisciple
17:43 < rangerz> well there were 13 anways
17:43 < rangerz> but peter hated black guys (is that the line?)
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18:42 <@CNwaV> Zomg, why can't my stuff just come in one shipment?
18:44 <@CNwaV> It is like amazon is screwing with me
18:44 <@Catonic> YEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRR!!!!
18:45 <@Catonic> apparently, it's not against the law to carry an AK-47. =D
18:45 <@CNwaV> I believe the law varies from state to state
18:46 <@CNwaV> I know that you cannot carry one in dc
18:47 <@CNwaV> I am almost done pimping my glock
18:50 <@Catonic> Dude got arrested two years ago on July 4 for openly carrying an AK-47 on his back, slung, empty chamber, full mag, loaded G17 on the side ... disorderly conduct
18:50 <@Catonic> found guilty in city court, appealed to county... got the run around...
18:51 <@Catonic> everyone showed up for court today... the judge pulls the ADA and defense aside, talks to them. Then the ADA walks back and says, "We are nolle pross'ing."
18:52 <@Catonic> talk about a game of bluffing....
18:52 <@Catonic> basically... you're gonna go to jail, you're gonna fry, you're a criminal... oh, um... we're dropping the charges.
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19:54 <@Evilpig> hey Dagmar!  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hacker_inside.jpg
19:54 < GateKeeper> Title: File:Hacker inside.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
19:56 <@brimstone> wow: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:My_mother_is_a_fish
19:56 < GateKeeper> Title: User:My mother is a fish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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21:32 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Considering that I put an end to the nonsense by uploading the SVG I converted from the original CorelDraw format file I would think that to be somewhat superfluous
21:33 <@Dagmar> However, now I gotta figure out WTF happened to the image I uploaded
21:34 <@Dagmar> Oh there it is http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Hacker_Inside_Logo.svg
21:34 < GateKeeper> Title: File:Hacker Inside Logo.svg - Wikimedia Commons (at commons.wikimedia.org)
21:42 <@Dagmar> So that should probably square that up
21:42 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure why the bot didn't make the connection to the one already in the Commons, excepting perhaps that it's a bot.
21:43 <@Bahhumbug> http://www.angryduck.com/pics/dear_special_person.htm
21:44 < GateKeeper> Title: dear special person (at www.angryduck.com)
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22:23 <@Dagmar> I can't help but suspect there was a shifty ulterior motive in changing the T&C on Facebook's site
22:23 <@Evilpig> http://www.explosm.net/comics/2754/
22:24 < GateKeeper> Title: Cyanide & Happiness #2754 - Explosm.net (at www.explosm.net)
22:24 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: they're just trying to hide the fact that you're selling them your digital persona
22:24 <@Dagmar> No they used to explictly declare that you lose all rights to your account the moment you break their T&C
22:24 <@Dagmar> Now it's just weasel-wording.
22:25 <@Dagmar> I was actually going to spend tonight constructing a full, legal argument about why it's illegal to ask for someone's FB password
22:25 <@Dagmar> Looks like it's up to fuckin' state laws and grey areas now
22:25 <@Dagmar> Considering they made a stink about the practice of using their site to make someone allow an invasion of privacy when they changed things, I find this highly suspect.
22:26 <@Evilpig> I see it the same as asking to see my phone for my text messages or asking for my email password.  fuck you not gonna happen
22:26 < ZombieChicken> and people saying "Nope. Find someone else for the job"
22:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah and that's not enough
22:26 <@Dagmar> There should be no legal basis at _all_ for allowing someone to be coerced into sacrificing their privacy.
22:27 < ZombieChicken> There are laws that allow it?
22:27 <@Dagmar> No, it's not strictly and explicitly illegal and it needs to be.
22:27 < ZombieChicken> iirc that is becoming a topic for Congress
22:28 <@Dagmar> I think we need to hassle the social media sites about this.
22:28 <@Dagmar> Tell them to put that shit BACK in
22:28 <@Dagmar> They can _make_ it illegal.
22:28 < ZombieChicken> there is also the option of saying "No, I don't have a $SOCIAL_MEDIA_SITE account"
22:29 <@Dagmar> I'll take option three.
22:29 < ZombieChicken> or make a 2nd one with nothing on it and claim "I just never use it"
22:29 < ZombieChicken> which would be?
22:29 <@Dagmar> "Sure.  My password is 'fuckyourwhoreofamother' except with zeros in place of the o's."
22:30 <@Evilpig> or you can always ask "with whom do I deposit my semen sample"
22:30 <@Dagmar> "Oh, that's not it?  How about 'professionalrapemonger'?"
22:30 <@Evilpig> down to the last file for permissions checking.
22:30 <@Dagmar> The last time someone asked me for my password, I wrote it down for them, and then hit enter on the new one.
22:31 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: when you talk to your boss tomorrow ask him why he hasn't hired me yet
22:31 <@Dagmar> THere's no telling
22:31 <@Dagmar> Primarily because we're still a little swamped
22:31 <@Evilpig> all the more reason to get me in quickly.  heh
22:31 <@Dagmar> Tomorrow I hope to get the rest of my magic tickets either closed or pretty damn close to it
22:31 <@Dagmar> Well, that's the argument I'd make, to be sure
22:32 <@Dagmar> Hrmm... A new Total Recall?
22:32 <@Dagmar> Interesting.
22:32 <@Evilpig> that could be good
22:32 <@Dagmar> The trailer looks like it does a damn good job
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22:33 <@Evilpig> the first wasn't bad though.  updated effects would be nice
22:33 <@Dagmar> Holy crap does it have it
22:33 <@Dagmar> Tehre's definitely some places where the original's effects required a bit of buy-in.
22:36 <@Evilpig> nice.  I like it.  total recall meets 5th element
22:37 <@Evilpig> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgkHKBO5b5U
22:37 < GateKeeper> Title: Total Recall 2012 vs 1990 : Beyond The Trailer - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:37 <@Evilpig> ugh.  no mars in this one
22:43 <@Dagmar> I'll withhold judgement until i've seen it
22:43 <@Dagmar> Usually shit like that is a dealbreaker, but it's been done
22:47 <@Bahhumbug> "privacy" and facebook is sort of a joke.  Zuckerberg is on record saying he doesn't give a fuck about anyones privacy and he'd do as he pleased, when he pleased.
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23:38 < rangerz> go conservative SCOTUS judges... can be strip searched for any offense that the police take you to jail for...
23:38 < rangerz> ugh
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