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00:26 < MinecraftRelay> Death:  kelmv134 choked to death on earth!
00:26 < MinecraftRelay> <kelmv134> gah. I typed /home and ended up underground somewhere!
00:50 <@Dagmar> Whoops
00:57 < RangerZ> well that is where trolls live
01:00 < RangerZ> hehe, sorry, just too easy
01:14 <@Catonic> yawm
01:27 < RangerZ> that is funny....
01:27 < RangerZ> google "24hour gym nashville tn" and a "comfort inn" comes up
01:27 < RangerZ> lol
01:29 <@Catonic> been reading up on radio
01:29 <@Catonic> I don't agree with the pronounciation of numbers... and wonder how uniform that is
01:31 <@Evilpig> DAMN IE.  DAMN IT TO HELL!
01:31 <@Evilpig> Message: Unknown runtime error
01:31 <@Evilpig> Line: 305
01:31 <@Evilpig> Char: 2
01:31 <@Evilpig> Code: 0
01:32 <@Evilpig> so let's see what that line and character are
01:32 <@Evilpig> <script type="text/javascript" defer> 
01:32 <@Evilpig> function swaplayout(){ var sheet = document.createElement('style'); sheet.innerHTML = ".device div.left { display: block; }";
01:32 <@Evilpig> ugh.  no linebreaks
01:32 <@Evilpig> 302 <script type="text/javascript" defer> 
01:32 <@Evilpig> 303 function swaplayout(){
01:32 <@Evilpig> 304 var sheet = document.createElement('style');
01:32 <@Evilpig> 305 sheet.innerHTML = ".device div.left { display: block; }";
01:33 <@Evilpig> it doesn't like h?
01:36 < RangerZ> well duh
01:36 < RangerZ> Chrome has an H in it
01:36 < RangerZ> god forbid you use two "F"s in a row
01:37 < RangerZ> so Evilpig can you use the rec center?
01:37 <@Evilpig> on campus?  yes
01:37 < RangerZ> or do you have to use the faculty one
01:37 <@Evilpig> actually lemme rephrase that.  "sorta"
01:38 <@Evilpig> being part of the NOC I have access to the equipment in the commons.  and as an employee I have access to health plus at 2121 west end
01:38 < RangerZ> ahh
01:38 < RangerZ> was just wondering
01:38 < RangerZ> not sure what I'll be classified as this summer
01:38 < RangerZ> i think grad student instead of employee still, but not 100% sure
01:40 <@Evilpig> god I hate IE.  this works well and it just doesn't work in IE
01:41 < RangerZ> then put up a security warning
01:41 < RangerZ> "you need to not use IE"
01:41 <@Bahhumbug> browser check - if IE alert user to get a real browser.
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01:41 < RangerZ> "for the safety of those who sit next to the programmer who maintains this website"
01:41 < ZombieChicken> Why not just throw in something to detect IE and say "I'm sorry, your browser sucks and can't render valid HTML" then follow with a link to FF, Chrome, and Opera
01:41 < RangerZ> "because he'll kill people all postal-worker-style if you use your current browser"
01:42 < ZombieChicken> or a few links even
01:42 <@Evilpig> cause dolemite didn't even like it when I put in a check for power connections that if it failed to find any it spit out "err:  NO POWAH!"
01:44 <@Bahhumbug> If people don't know how to get FF in this day and age they don't deserve to have access to anything.
01:44 < ZombieChicken> Did you submit using "ERR: No Power"?
01:44  * Bahhumbug shrugs
01:44  * ZombieChicken uses uzbl for most of his browsing
01:44 < ZombieChicken> Firefox is too slow to start imo
01:45 <@Bahhumbug> how often so you start it?
01:45 <@Bahhumbug> I start it when I restart my desktop, and it stays open until I restart my desktop.
01:45 < RangerZ> i'd need to buy more ram if i did that
01:45 <@Evilpig> same here unless I do something dumb like leave a tab open with facebook then I just throw my hands up and restart firefox cause of the leaked memory
01:46 < RangerZ> I close/open my browser all the time
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> Hi.  This is 2012.  Get more ram.
01:46 < RangerZ> I have 8gb
01:46 < RangerZ> i don't need more
01:46 < RangerZ> aka... i can't afford more... but w/e
01:46 <@Bahhumbug> Then you don't need to restart firefox.
01:46 <@Catonic> no, ff is a pig
01:46 <@Evilpig> I have 8gb.  facebook will consume it all.  once ff gets over 2GB it acts funny
01:46 <@Catonic> close tabs
01:47 <@Evilpig> it doesn't clear the memory up
01:47 <@Evilpig> it should
01:47 <@Bahhumbug> I routinely have ~60-70 open at any given time on a 3gb box with a lot of extensions loaded.
01:47 <@Bahhumbug> I have absolutely no problems whatsoever.
01:47 <@Evilpig> the answer for me is don't goto facebook
01:47 <@Bahhumbug> Is it a pig?  Yes.  Does it work for me without issues?  Yep.
01:48 < RangerZ> now if only Evilpig's boss could say the same...
01:48 <@Evilpig> heh
01:48 <@Evilpig> now that you're all awake solve my problem.  stupid IE
01:49 <@Bahhumbug> I think we all solved it.  Stop worrying about IE and kick IE users to the curb.
01:49 < RangerZ> what version are you testing on?
01:49 <@Evilpig> 8
01:49 < RangerZ> hmmm
01:49 <@Evilpig> I've found the root of the problem
01:49 < ZombieChicken> 3 votes for telling IE users to suck it
01:49 <@Evilpig> apparently IE locks the html header from being fiddled with via JS
01:49 < RangerZ> then use google's java GUI editor, that compiles html that is compatable with IE/etc
01:51 < ZombieChicken> No way to have IE send a packet back requesting a new header?
01:51 < RangerZ> https://developers.google.com/web-toolkit/ *there* i couldn't think of the damn name...
01:51 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Web Toolkit Google Developers (at developers.google.com)
01:52 < RangerZ> it makes compliant/optimized html/js/html5 code
01:52 < RangerZ> basically you use the java WYSIWYG editor, and then it compiles it into the web-langue-files
01:52 <@Evilpig> half way there.
01:53 <@Evilpig> stoopit ie
01:56 <@Evilpig> there we go
01:56 < RangerZ> from what i remember, i thought IE 8 was a lot more compliant ...
01:57 <@Evilpig> 9 has come a long way toward compliance
01:59 <@Evilpig> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5227088/creating-style-node-adding-innerhtml-add-to-dom-and-ie-headaches
01:59 < GateKeeper> Title: javascript - Creating Style Node, adding innerHTML, add to DOM, and IE headaches - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
01:59 <@Evilpig> the first answer there had the work around. instead of using innerHTML for ie you have to use .styleSheet.cssText
01:59 <@Evilpig> just adds code bloat to make the additional check
02:01 <@Catonic> somewhere between 8 and 11, they fucked something up
02:02 <@Evilpig> I just added the check to see if it was ie and did the alternate injection.  if (style.styleSheet) { // IE
02:03 <@Evilpig> and left the IE comment in there so dolemite knows that is what it is for
02:03 < RangerZ> Evilpig: you using php to generate this page?
02:04 <@Evilpig> yeah
02:04 <@Bahhumbug> I think you might have misspelled "somewhere between 1 and 11"
02:04 < RangerZ> here is an odd little tidbit.. but i know it was true a couple years ago, probably still is, but if you have a lot of data to put on the screen is is MUCH better to store it all into a string and then output that string at the very end
02:05 < RangerZ> sped up a search results page by 4x~10x depending on the search
02:05 <@Evilpig> doesn't really apply here.  but I did that with the phreaknic site
02:05 <@Evilpig> if it ever errors out you don't get partial page loads you get nothing. :D
02:05 < RangerZ> (also a good thing)
02:06 <@Evilpig> I usually give it two echos or prints.  the first is usually the <head> elements down to the start of <body> followed witha  flush_headers
02:06 <@Evilpig> then the second at the end with the rest of the content
02:08 <@Evilpig> heh
02:08 <@Evilpig>  // HTML content minified for speed!
02:08 <@Evilpig> $head="
02:08 <@Evilpig>  // Spew forth to screen
02:08 <@Evilpig> echo $head.$body;
02:08 <@Evilpig> ?>
02:09 <@Evilpig> good luck debugging the production site.  you'll be sorting lines for a while 
02:12 < RangerZ> i learned on pascal, where we printed our programs on dot matrix printers... i'm used to that ....sadly...
02:13 < RangerZ> god hours to find the misplaced "}"
02:13 <@Catonic> amen
02:13 < RangerZ> well... w/e pascals' version of "}" is i think "end"
02:13 <@Evilpig> reminds me of the calls to dr batts.  "uhhh dr batts.  yeah I submitted my job to the mainframe over an hour ago and it says it is still running.  I think I might have coded a loop"
02:14 <@Evilpig> we shared space on the mainframe for cobol with the admissions folks
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02:15 < RangerZ> my HS teacher told me about when he went to darthmoth back in the day... there was only one printer, and it was fed by stacks of 1000s of pages at once
02:16 < RangerZ> so someone made a loop program "while (true){pinrtln("hello");} basically
02:16 < RangerZ> and ran it friday night, and monday morning the entire closet was filled with paper, lol
02:16 < sync350> http://www.nigeriagoogle.com/ this is great :)
02:16 < GateKeeper> Title: Nigeria Google - brought to you by 85by55 (at www.nigeriagoogle.com)
02:16 < RangerZ> lol
02:17 <@Evilpig> lol
02:28 <@Evilpig> http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/news/?d=2012-3#312334
02:28 < GateKeeper> Title: Blizzard Entertainment:Community (at us.blizzard.com)
02:28 <@Evilpig> bah
02:29 <@Evilpig> they can't even update their own shit properly
02:29 <@Evilpig> Say goodbye to your dusty old Battle.net Authenticator and hello to its new incarnation: the Zergotchi! Blizzard Entertainment’s newest authentication system takes the next step in both virtual pet and Authenticator technology to provide you with the login experience of your life! \
02:29 <@Evilpig> http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/zergotchi/
02:29 < GateKeeper> Title: Blizzard Entertainment:Games:Blizzard Music (at us.blizzard.com)
02:31 <@Evilpig> thinkgeek has not disappointed this year.  http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/zergotchi/
02:31 < GateKeeper> Title: Blizzard Entertainment:Games:Blizzard Music (at us.blizzard.com)
02:31 <@Evilpig> bah!
02:32 <@Evilpig> http://www.thinkgeek.com/interests/looflirpa/ee04/?pfm=Carousel_Creeps_3
02:32 < GateKeeper> Title: ThinkGeek :: Minecraft Marshmallow Creeps (at www.thinkgeek.com)
03:13 < RangerZ> sad thing is...
03:13 < RangerZ> i'd buy a zergotachi
03:13 < RangerZ> just for the shits and giggles
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05:02 <@Evilpig> I wanna eat the marshmallow creepers
05:03 <@Evilpig> anyone else in here watch supernatural?
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08:09 <@Evilpig> http://www.tigerdirect.com/sectors/campaigns/kube/kubex15.asp?SRCCODE=TIGFACEBK&cm_mmc_o=m21CjCd-2HPRRsCjCHFzbkCjC-5ybkdBBkl
08:09 < GateKeeper> Title: [NOW AVAILABLE] TigerDirect.com - INTRODUCING THE WORLD'S FIRST HOME MINI-NUCLEAR GENERATOR (at www.tigerdirect.com)
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11:51 < RangerZ> https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390389_10150901276130436_795555435_21621131_720115670_n.jpg so true....
11:51 < RangerZ> SFW
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12:23 <@Corydon76-home> http://www.google.com/fiber/kansascity/index.html SFW
12:23 < GateKeeper> Title: Google Fiber Bar (at www.google.com)
12:25 < RangerZ> Google is just having too much fun
12:26 <@Dagmar> Oh fuck yeah
12:26 <@Dagmar> They fired some teacher for not turning over her Facebook password.
12:26 <@Dagmar> It's muthafuckin' ON
12:27 <@Dagmar> Time to draft up a letter to the FBI office nearest there
12:32 < RangerZ> hell
12:32 < RangerZ> look at the teacher that got fired for reading Ender's Game
12:32 < RangerZ> b/c the stupid student said it was "pornographic"
12:32 <@Dagmar> No seriously, this might be enough that the FBI can step in
12:32 < RangerZ> w...t...f...
12:32 < RangerZ> no
12:33 <@Dagmar> I am getting a little freaked out that no  one but me seems to notice that with the TOS for Facebook taken into consideration it's fucking illegal as hell
12:33 < RangerZ> you have to thank the anti-union-because-union-members-are-often-democracts-so-therefore-we-have-to-hate-them...republicans who make "right to work(work at your boss's grace)" states
12:33 <@Dagmar> For firing that woman for not complying with that request, there's a whole raft of other things that could be happening, all of them criminal
12:33 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar:  you need to be a little more exact on that.
12:34 <@Dagmar> This civil shit isn't doing anything useful
12:34 < RangerZ> Dagmar: there is a bill in the seneate to outlaw that
12:34 < RangerZ> the GOP shut it down
12:34 <@Dagmar> Have you read their terms of use?
12:34 <@Corydon76-home> It's not illegal for them to require her to give them her FB password.  It is illegal, however, for them to access her account
12:34 <@Dagmar> You only have permission to use your FB credentials.
12:34 < RangerZ> it is not illegel for them to access it
12:34 < RangerZ> just breaks terms of service
12:34 <@Dagmar> Rangerz: Fucking YES IT IS
12:34 <@Corydon76-home> RangerZ: Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
12:34 < RangerZ> which is not illegel
12:35 <@Corydon76-home> Accessing a protected computer beyond authorized access
12:35 < RangerZ> well you GIVE them access
12:35 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: It *is* illegal
12:35 <@Dagmar> You _can't_
12:35 <@Corydon76-home> FB doesn't give you permission to give access to another party
12:35 <@Dagmar> Read the terms of service on pretty much any one of these sites.
12:35 < RangerZ> believe me... i wish you were right... but that is why the bill in the senate was being debated
12:36 < RangerZ> because it is not illegal
12:36 <@Dagmar> Shut your fucking hole a minute and liseten
12:36 < RangerZ> i know your logic
12:36 <@Corydon76-home> Only FB, though, could press charges, which is why it's unlikely the school officials would ever see sanction
12:37 <@Dagmar> ALl of these sites grant you a very limited set of use rights for "your" account.  Those rights are immediately gone the moment you give someone else your credentials.  The explicitly state that those rights are revoked if you reveal your password to anyone.
12:37 <@Corydon76-home> You're perfectly within your rights to require someone to give you their password right now.  You just can't use it.  The Senate bill would have make the simple act of requiring the password illegal.
12:38 <@Dagmar> Now, if the account is revoked the moment you break the TOS by giving up your account credentials, that means  _any_ use of those credentials by someone other than you, _even if you "voluntarily" gave them up_ is use of credentials to access a computer system in excess of your authorized authority.
12:38 <@Corydon76-home> I know the difference seems to be very slight, but it's a huge difference when prosecuting offenders, because you have to prove that they actually used the password right now.
12:38 <@Dagmar> The simple act of requiring the password sounds to me like a very simple conspiracy charge.
12:38 <@Dagmar> There is no legal use they could put that password to.
12:39 <@Dagmar> ...and it would be _easy_ to show intent to commit a crime in court.
12:39 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: that's true, but that's why you're not a lawyer.
12:39 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar:  presumption of innocence is the issue there
12:40 <@Dagmar> The main problem is that everyone keeps going "Oh pooh pooh there's no law broken here, the user gave up the password voluntarily" but there are actually a shitload of parallels in existing law
12:40 <@Dagmar> Statutory rape for instance.
12:40 <@Dagmar> That's entirely based on the presumption that the victim can't give consent.
12:40 < RangerZ> then write the department of justice
12:40 < RangerZ> not the FBI
12:40 <@Dagmar> A user of most of these social media sites, by an even more strict token, _can't_ give consent for access of their account.
12:40 < RangerZ> DOJ is who decides who to investigate, not the fbi
12:41 < RangerZ> fbi just does it
12:41 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar:  for the parallel, though, it's like obtaining consent from the underage, but having no proof they actually had sex
12:41 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: Yeah but these people are all stupid.  They're using these damn passwords
12:41 <@Corydon76-home> You have to _prove_ that, though
12:42 <@Dagmar> That's actually kinda easy and considering that Facebook changed their terms a few years ago specifically to address this issue?  THey'll _help_
12:42 <@Corydon76-home> You have to show evidence of the usage, or of the sex.  Just showing consent of the alleged victim is not enough
12:42 <@Dagmar> ...but with a conspiracy charge, you don't have to do any of that.
12:42 <@Dagmar> All you have to do is show that they planned to commit a crime.
12:42 <@Corydon76-home> I don't know if the statutory damages are enough for FB to fool with it, though
12:43 <@Dagmar> Lots of hackers have gone down for that, and it's time for some nosy fucking authoritarians to take it in the face.
12:43 < stowbari> What if you provide a fake password? The only way they can prove it's not the correct password is to also implicate themselves in intent to access your account
12:43 <@Dagmar> Facebook didn't change their terms and talk about this for a few days because it was going to be profitable
12:44 <@Dagmar> Those sites won't get nearly as many users if there is a way for people to use them to snoop on people without their consent.
12:44 < RangerZ> the local prosocuter would be the best person to talk to , but unfortunatly i don't believe any of the cases I'm aware of happened in nashville
12:44 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: it's not a question of it being profitable.  It's a question of it not being a money sinkhole
12:44 <@Dagmar> ...besides which, snooping on people is how FB makes it's money.  That shit's competition.
12:45 <@Dagmar> It's bad for FB to allow this kind of dickery to go on unchallenged.
12:45 <@Dagmar> Anyway this isn't civil territory, there's criminal penalties for it.  They can send some fuckers to jail.
12:46 <@Corydon76-home> You're kind of the wrong party to get involved in this.  You need a local prosecutor who is interested in making case law.
12:46 <@Dagmar> If this shit were only civil there would have been _no_ stopping me in my 20's because my answer to everything would have been "That's okay.  Everything I own fits neatly under personal property exemption clauses of the bankruptcy laws.  Have fun suing me."
12:48 <@Dagmar> Hell there's probably "bonus multiplier" clauses out there for obtaining passwords by threat of job termination because that would certainly qualify as putting someone under duress in the furtherance of a crime.
12:49 < RangerZ> maybe
12:49 < RangerZ> the "legal" definitions of a lot of that stuff, is funky
12:49 <@Dagmar> I'd probably find them if I were to dig around in EEOC stuff
12:49 <@Corydon76-home> That's a stretch, but you might be able to find a prosecutor willing to make a name for herself
12:50 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: ...and I'm not a lawyer because I have both a concience and a sense of dignity, not because I can't read and understand the law.  Heh
12:50 <@Corydon76-home> Especially prosecutors with political aspirations.  It's always about making a name for themselves
12:50 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: I read and understand.  I just don't have $120k to spend on a law degree
12:50 <@Dagmar> I would rather just hit someone in the face than take money as a professional liar, and I only very seldom have to hit people.
12:50 <@Dagmar> Law school pays for itself.
12:51 <@Corydon76-home> Not recently, it doesn't
12:51 <@Dagmar> No, if you can be a lawyer and not suck, you can pretty much raise the cash by using those skills to apply for pells and loans.
12:51 <@Corydon76-home> There is a serious market glut of lawyers right now, which means, unless you're really good, you're not working in your chosen profession
12:52 <@Corydon76-home> And thanks to the health care crisis, doctors aren't faring much better
12:54 <@Corydon76-home> We're currently in an economy that means unless you're going to engineering school, a college degree makes utterly no financial sense whatsoever
12:56 <@Corydon76-home> And if you're lucky enough to be in an engineering profession where the top leaders don't have engineering degrees (i.e. computer science), you can get away with not having a degree in that field, either
12:56 <@Corydon76-home> Doesn't work so well for civil or mechanical engineering, however.
12:56 < RangerZ> Dagmar: if you want lawschool to pay for itself
12:56 < RangerZ> sadly... patent law is the best area
12:56 < RangerZ> most consistent work... and it pays decently well
12:56 <@Corydon76-home> Copyright law is a good one, as well
12:57 < RangerZ> true
12:57 <@Corydon76-home> ASCAP, BMI, and SESAC are always looking for more enforcers
12:58 < RangerZ> but if you have a degree in any engineering field
12:58 < RangerZ> CS counts for this
12:58 < RangerZ> you can get a patent law degree in ~2 years or so
12:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah, unfortunately I've got that nasty little "soul problem"
12:58 < RangerZ> they have special programs for it
12:58 <@Dagmar> as in, I have one.
12:59 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar: Lawyers never _actually_ lie.  It just seems like it because you're parsing their words for intent, instead of exactly what they said
12:59 <@Dagmar> Goddamn FB doesn't make it easy to find the big pile of legalese
13:00 <@Dagmar> Corydon76-home: No, they lie rather frequently.  The problem is that they look at statements differently.  You have to be able to _prove_ they lied.
13:00 <@Dagmar> ...which isn't even *that* straightforward.  You not only have to prove they told a mistruth, but that they specifically _intended_ to decieve.
13:01 < RangerZ> defining what the definition of "is" is
13:01 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar:  lying will get you disbarred.  It's always about never completely lying.
13:01 < RangerZ> ;)
13:01 <@Dagmar> That's the burden of proof that fucks things up.  You have to prove intent, otherwise they can just go "Oh, my mistake."
13:01 <@Dagmar> "I'm sorry, I spoke in error."
13:01 <@Dagmar> That's part of why it took forever and a day to get rid fo Jack Thompson.
13:01 <@Corydon76-home> Yep.  If you believe what you're saying, it's not a lie.
13:02 <@Dagmar> Rangerz: Yeah that's pretty much a few miles past the point where I'll just take the karmic hit and swing at someone
13:03 <@Corydon76-home> There's a funny story about a mental institution patient who took a lie detector test in which he swore he was NOT Napoleon.  The machine showed that he was lying.
13:03 <@Dagmar> heh
13:03 <@Dagmar> I
13:03 <@Dagmar> I'll have to remember that the next time the subject of a polygraph pointed at me comes up
13:04 <@Corydon76-home> You can defeat a lie detector test (CIA field subjects are taught this) by believing the lie.
13:04 <@Bahhumbug> I sorta agree with stowbari on this; give them the wrong password and let them implicitly implicate themselves.
13:04 <@Dagmar> "Sure, but there's some other questions I'm going to need you to ask to make sure the test isn't giving false positives."
13:05 < RangerZ> the problem with lie detectors is that you CAN fake your results with enough practice
13:05 <@Dagmar> My mental processes are bizarre enough that there's no telling what I might or might not believe to be true if I think about it closely enough.
13:05 < RangerZ> just like how monks can control their heart beats
13:05 < RangerZ> etc
13:05 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Or by being bugfuck insane.
13:05 <@Dagmar> ...which I am.
13:05 <@Corydon76-home> If you want an answer to show deceit, just think the lie before you tell the truth
13:05 <@Dagmar> :)
13:05 < RangerZ> ...well that too....
13:05 <@Bahhumbug> So many .sig database moments here...
13:06 < RangerZ> shh... be quiet ... let him rant more
13:06 <@Bahhumbug> Like anything _I_ say will change that?
13:06 <@Bahhumbug> And he's got valid points here.
13:06 <@Bahhumbug> Compelling someone to cough up a password that can't legally be used to access network resources is... wtf?
13:07 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: I can think of a good reason for that.  You can record a password and use it with a court's permission, e.g. after their death
13:07 <@Dagmar> yeah but that's not why they're asking for it
13:07 <@Dagmar> ...and these people are cocky authoritarians.
13:08 <@Dagmar> They'll have written procedures for what exactly they want to do with those credentials.
13:08 <@Bahhumbug> Or you can get a court order and compel the owner of the resources to give you access.
13:08 <@Corydon76-home> Again, this is why you're not a lawyer.  If you can make up a plausible reason why they'd want a password, you can defeat the intent charge.
13:08 <@Bahhumbug> Forcing someone to cough it up is, as previously pointed out, duress.
13:08 <@Bahhumbug> There is no plausible reason as it's done before the fact.
13:08 <@Bahhumbug> And no, I'm not a lawyer.
13:09 < RangerZ> Dagmar: then run for prosecuter
13:09 <@Corydon76-home> Bahhumbug: of course there is.  After someone dies, they cannot give up a password.
13:09 < RangerZ> or atleast sleep with the current one (i don't know if it is male or female)
13:09 <@Bahhumbug> So what?
13:09 <@Bahhumbug> Do I also need to give over my safety deposit box keys so they can get in after my death?
13:09 <@Bahhumbug> That's simply ludicrous.
13:10 <@Bahhumbug> This entire country is going bat-shit crazy.
13:11 <@Bahhumbug> Speaking of that.... see the most recent Person of Interest?
13:11 <@Corydon76-home> It's called knowing how to use weasel words to kill the intent (and conspiracy) charges.
13:11 <@Corydon76-home> No, and don't spoil it for me
13:11 <@Bahhumbug> Meh.
13:11 <@Corydon76-home> I have it in MythTV
13:11 <@Bahhumbug> Watch it.  It's somewhat germane to this conversation in one regard.
13:12 <@Corydon76-home> I love parsing this shit out
13:12 <@Bahhumbug> The fact it needs to _be_ parsed out is really the underlying problem.
13:13 <@Corydon76-home> I know it drives people crazy, but you gain a lot of appreciation for why laws are as verbose as they are
13:14 <@Corydon76-home> The statory rape statute in TN is an especially good example... "Penetration, however slight"
13:14 < RangerZ> i got into an argument(one sided... b/c she wouldn't shut up about it... ) on FB about how this one famale was saying men and women should have equal rights... so i told her that she needed to rephrase her statement b/c it was open to reading it as she _wasn't_ for equal rights... and god o mighty... she just wouldn't stop bitching about how I "must" be sexist
13:14 < RangerZ> i repeatedly said "i agree with you, just I think you need to phrase your arguements better"
13:15 <@Bahhumbug> If you're arguing in a social media venue you've already lost :)
13:15 < RangerZ> yeah, thats why I stopped
13:15 < RangerZ> she just kept ranting for like 10 "long" posts
13:15 < RangerZ> lol
13:16 <@Corydon76-home> "Until everybody is equal, nobody is."
13:16 <@Dagmar> "Oh just shut up and make me a sammich, woman."
13:16 <@Bahhumbug> I'd also like to point out that I hate april fool's nonsense: [05:59:37] <JonathanD> [>> $$*] Attention freenode users, we are adopting a new privacy policy on April 15th and it is important that all users review it before that time. See http://freenode.net/privacy_change.html for the new policy.  Thanks for using freenode!
13:16 <@Corydon76-home> Dagmar:  no:  Sudo make me a sandwich.
13:17 <@Dagmar> No, in English the word for "sudo" is "bitch".
13:17 <@Dagmar> ...and it goes after the command, preferably, although the syntax is flexible.
13:17 <@Corydon76-home> http://xkcd.com/149/
13:17 < GateKeeper> Title: xkcd: Sandwich (at xkcd.com)
13:18 < RangerZ> ohh nice
13:18 < RangerZ> the newest xkcd changes based on screen width
13:25 < RangerZ> typed in a goo.gl/ address wrong and stumbled across this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBKL9NhbASc not bad, plus nice pic
13:25 < GateKeeper> Title: Origene - Sanctuary (Gafry & More Remix) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
13:29 <@Corydon76-home> https://twitter.com/#!/camatkinson13/status/186500786195398657
13:29 < GateKeeper> Title: Twitter (at twitter.com)
13:29 < RangerZ> LOL nice
13:29 < RangerZ> looks like they are going back and forth
13:35 < RangerZ> i love how gnome 3.4 looks more and more like gnome 2
13:54 < RangerZ> http://us.blizzard.com/en-us/games/blizzkidzz/
13:54 < RangerZ> nice
13:54 < GateKeeper> Title: Blizzard Entertainment:Blizzard Educational Games (at us.blizzard.com)
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15:38 < ware> YO
15:54 <@sasquatc4> Omnifrog> google maps Quest view + tower defense    http://www.mapstd.com/
15:54 < GateKeeper> Title: MapsTD (at www.mapstd.com)
16:30 < RangerZ> so here is a question for you all... My girl wants to setup a FTP so I can send her files(pics, etc) on her dorm desktop... all inbound ports are blocked, is there a way to setup a "gotomypc.com" like setup with OSS or something?
16:35 <@brimstone> ssh forwarding or vpn
16:36 < RangerZ> well i can just setup a ftp here and have her pull from it, thats the easy answer
16:36 < RangerZ> but I don't want to use my bandwith , i want to send it from ...somewhere... with unlimited bandwith, lol
16:37 < RangerZ> i can probably do it, I just need to think about it for a bit
17:06 <@Dagmar> Just put ssh on a non-standard port and use rsync
17:06 <@Dagmar> Hmm... She's probably using Windows tho... Erm...
17:07 < ZombieChicken> pretty sure there is an rsync for Windows
17:07 <@Dagmar> Yeah, I guess you can go that route, but it would need ssh for Win32 as well
17:07 <@Dagmar> Oh just use iptables to filter out everything that's on the wrong netblock
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18:23 <@Catonic> I have news.
18:23 <@Catonic> I have accepted Ware's proposal to be married.
19:01 <@Dagmar> **I'm IN**
19:01 <@Dagmar> MoP Beta!
19:20 < RangerZ> congrats?
19:20 < RangerZ> does that mean you keep your items when it comes out?
19:25 <@Dagmar> Of course not.
19:26 < RangerZ> some betas do that, but non of blizz that I'm aware of
19:31 <@Dagmar> Considering we're mainly copying characters from the main server over, there's little point in worrying about it
19:31 <@Dagmar> Plus, other games don't let you have pre-made 85's with two sets of epics to test with.
19:45 <@NotLarry> I guess I'll go check my account again
20:27 < eryc> mapstd = beat
20:43 <@brimstone> i still read that map std
21:06 < eryc> thats how i say it in my head
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21:18 < ware> Dagmar: panda luv'r
21:24 <@sdodson> Sheath: where'd you find that pic?
21:25 <@sdodson> Sheath: and no, I'm not in that pic as far as I can tell. I'm probably just off the right of the frame.
21:35 <@sdodson> Sheath: i guess reddit, i forgot my co-workers are reddit kiddies
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22:49 <@Dagmar> GOod lord.
22:49 <@Dagmar> THey need some kind of basic literacy test before you can use a test realm.
22:55 <@am1n0> test realm ?
22:55 <@Dagmar> Mists of Pandaria test sevrer
22:55 <@Dagmar> *rubs hands together*
22:55 <@Dagmar> Now to start really freakin' people out
22:56 <@Dagmar> Gonna buy level 70 *shaman* epics
23:07 <@am1n0> shaman
23:15 <@Dagmar> Yes, shaman epics.  For my hunter.
23:16 <@Dagmar> ...because they're pretty obviously not hunter gear, but I can transmogrify my hunter's gear to look like them
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23:30 <@am1n0> and at night with dark shaman and hallucinogenics
23:33 <@Dagmar> Hunter pets spawn as the size you captured them. :)
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23:54 <@Catonic> rhia: y0
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